Russian "Marker": a promising weapon against saboteurs

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Source: sila-rf.ru

The opening of the international military-technical forum "Army-2022" was not without novelties. Thus, for the first time at an event of this level, the Marker robotic complex, developed at the Android Technology Research and Production Association with the support of the Advanced Research Foundation, was presented. Previously, these organizations became known to the whole world thanks to the creation Robot Fedor, who flew to the ISS, so the interest in their new product turned out to be expectedly high. In this material, we will talk about the main features of the Marker, which have already been tested in the field.

Robot for the rear


Now you can often see newfangled statements that the army badly needs ground combat robotic systems capable of solving fire missions to defeat the enemy. However, the expediency of manufacturing these products, as well as the financial issue, usually fade into the background. But that's not the point. The rear is the place where robotics can be much more useful than on the front line. And an example of a promising use of unmanned vehicles can be the protection of strategically important large facilities, including infrastructure, bases, warehouses, and so on. Especially now, when sabotage of various scales follows one after another.



One of the areas of robotization of security activities, both in the frontline zone and in the deep rear, can be a patrol service, on which the security of a supervised facility largely depends.

One of the variants of the Marker tracked platform. Source: ferra.ru
One of the variants of the Marker tracked platform. Source: ferra.ru

Indeed, a palisade of video recording cameras and observation posts is not enough to protect the territory from the penetration of outsiders, and it doesn’t matter if local natives or saboteurs are eager for metal and other valuables. They do not appear out of nowhere in the immediate vicinity of the guarded point, so their detection often falls on the shoulders of patrols, which often act as rapid response teams. In this case, as a rule, the larger the perimeter, the more labor is required to protect it. As a result, an increase in staff and an increase in the load on security units.

To a large extent, the problem of protection concerns extended infrastructure facilities - railways and oil and gas pipelines. The fact of sabotage committed against them is fixed quite quickly, but preventing them is not a very simple task. It is simply impossible to solve it in other ways than regular patrolling. But this is complicated by objective reasons: a large length and hard-to-reach areas of the route.

Wheel version of the "Marker". Source: russian.rt.com
Wheel version of the "Marker". Source: russian.rt.com

Based on the above circumstances, an image of a promising robotic patrol complex is emerging, which could perform two main functions: bypassing the territory, including hard-to-reach, along a given route and monitoring the area. This would help relieve security units by minimizing the use of human resources, as well as enhance their capabilities with the help of machine vision - thermal imagers and high-definition television cameras.

And it seems that the developers from "Android Technology" were able to implement these ideas in their project called "Marker".

Robotic complex "Marker"


The development of the "Marker" began in 2018, when the NPO "Android Technique" together with the Advanced Research Foundation announced the creation of a new multifunctional robotic complex, which will be strikingly different from existing models by the wide use of neural networks and great "independence" when choosing actions in one or another a different situation.

In general, of course, such epithets can be attributed to robotics for any purpose - minimizing human participation in machine control is useful everywhere, especially in the military sphere. Indeed, the novelty passed many tests with different equipment, where it showed high combat qualities. Its sighting system was even paired with a remote control device on the rifle scope. weapons - where the shooter pointed his machine gun, the barrel of the Marker machine gun turned there. In general, there were plenty of innovations.

A frame from the video demonstrating the synchronization of the Marker system with the target designator on small arms. Source: zen.yandex.ru
A frame from the video demonstrating the synchronization of the Marker system with the target designator on small arms. Source: zen.yandex.ru

However, the most promising direction for the use of the "Marker" is protection. For this, the product was tested in the possessions of Roskosmos - in the territories adjacent to the Vostochny cosmodrome. Moreover, the Russian Railways and the National Guard almost immediately became interested in the novelty.

But why did he get so much attention?

It is logical to assume that in order to perform security functions, an unmanned vehicle must literally have a huge power reserve. The perimeters of large protected objects, as mentioned earlier, are very large, so charging or refueling a land drone after a couple of detours of the territory is not a particular pleasure.

To give greater autonomy, the developers from Android Technology used an original hybrid power plant in their product. Previously, some media claimed that it was based solely on an electric motor. In fact, the heart of the car is a diesel engine with extremely low fuel consumption, which does not exceed 3 liters per 100 km. It works in a combined mode with electric traction. This tandem gives the Marker a really impressive power reserve - about 60 hours of continuous movement without refueling. However, electric motors can also be used separately, but the battery charge in this case is enough for an hour of driving.

Tracked "Marker" with combat equipment. Source: zen.yandex.ru
Tracked "Marker" with combat equipment. Source: zen.yandex.ru

A high cross-country chassis helps the robot to crawl through the most impassable places. It is carried out in two versions: three-axle wheeled and caterpillar. The choice of propeller depends on the conditions in which the machine will be used. Its equipment also affects, which will vary from optoelectronic modules with thermal imagers and television cameras, if the product is planned to be used for surveillance and reconnaissance, to machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, as well as optionally one or two UAVs. In this combat performance, the robot can perform not only a security function, but also conduct fire damage to enemy manpower, as well as light equipment. Although the arsenal does not end there, since the platform also provides for the installation of an anti-aircraft module with a radar to combat drones.

Wheel platform "Marker". Exposition of the forum "Army-2022". Source: m.gazeta.ru

Nevertheless, despite the listed advantages of the Marker, its main feature lies in electronics. It was not in vain that it was said about neural networks and some independence of the robot. When it was created, engineers tried using machine learning - neural networks - to teach electronic brains as much as possible to detect and identify objects that fall into the field of view without human intervention. And this concerned not only such banality as not to let the "Marker" confuse a saboteur with a dog running past.

In fact, the learning process was more thorough. The electronics of the product was able to identify targets, prioritize them according to the level of danger, and even choose the most advantageous combat positions. However, the decision to open fire must be made by a person - the automatic choice of one or another action does not apply to this. In addition, neural networks help the robot to independently choose the route of movement by analyzing data from on-board video cameras, a thermal imager and lidars.

Wheel "Marker" is being tested in the area of ​​the Vostochny cosmodrome. Source: m.tvzvezda.ru
Wheel "Marker" is being tested in the area of ​​the Vostochny cosmodrome. Source: m.tvzvezda.ru

As a result, "Marker" has become a completely autonomous system that does not require constant monitoring by the operator. It is enough for him to set the control points of the route, along which the car will move, avoiding obstacles. At the same time, the observation of the area also takes place automatically - in case of detection of danger, the electronics itself will notify the operator and provide him with a choice of actions, including the use of weapons. That is, the saying “a soldier is sleeping - the service is on” is fully realized: the robot itself rides for days, patrols, and if it finds someone, it will wake it up. Exaggerated, of course.

Prospects


In October 2021, the Marker was tested at the Vostochny cosmodrome, where its capabilities for independent movement in unfamiliar terrain, patrolling, detection and identification of intruders were studied in detail. In general, as confirmed by the developers and employees of Roskosmos, the results of running the machine were positive. In addition, experiments were carried out with the combat interaction of robots, which, acting as a group, automatically identified targets and gave them priority, distributing them among themselves for effective destruction.

In general, the product of Android Technology fully fits into the concept of a security robot, but its potential is not limited to this. The role of both a combat unit and a reconnaissance officer, or even a crawler, who, using neural networks, will be able to detect damage or malfunctions on railway tracks, pipelines, and so on, may well suit him.

But the main thing in this case, of course, is not the body, but the brains. The neural network system worked out on Marker can be applied on the same tanks and other combat vehicles, where it will automatically help the gunner and commander to find targets and prioritize them according to danger. Roskosmos' statements have become more ambitious, in which Marker electronics are presented as a promising direction for the production of smart spacecraft.

In general, the potential is really there. The main thing is that there would be money at least for a security option, and then you can think about space.
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  1. +7
    19 August 2022 04: 36
    This tandem gives the Marker a really impressive power reserve - about 60 hours of continuous movement without refueling.

    But ... what
    In combination with security sensors and surveillance cameras, the system is even nothing.
    It is necessary to develop such things and introduce them everywhere ... savings and efficiency are evident.
    1. -2
      19 August 2022 15: 52
      We need to develop such things and implement them everywhere.

      I should think,
      above the KAZ Afganit system on a wheeled platform Marker
      to cover stationary objects like the Zaporozhye NPP from artillery shells
      only need mortars with a larger caliber, and sleep away from 100 to 500 meters
      10 "Markers" with KAZ could cover the entire ZNPP from 155, 203-mm shells
      and the MLRS and OTRK are already intercepting the Buk, Tor, Pantsir air defense systems
      Belarusian robotic complex "Whistle" with NUR S-5 - only needed KAZ
    2. 0
      29 September 2022 16: 52
      Confuses only the lack of at least approximate speed.
      After all, 60 hours can be at 0.01 km / h. laughing
  2. +5
    19 August 2022 04: 45
    You give ED-209 like in RoboCop
    1. +4
      19 August 2022 07: 05
      I immediately thought about him too ;-) The main thing is that he doesn’t start shooting at his own.
  3. +13
    19 August 2022 04: 48
    It is not very difficult for an experienced saboteur to deceive this piece of iron. After all, she rides, rumbles, as a rule, in a quiet environment of a protected facility. No one has yet surpassed the guards with dogs, and even they are pierced.
    1. +9
      19 August 2022 05: 03
      And what is better, a dog's hearing for several tens of meters or a robot's thermal imager for hundreds of meters?)
      1. Aag
        +10
        19 August 2022 05: 52
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        And what is better, a dog's hearing for several tens of meters or a robot's thermal imager for hundreds of meters?)

        Depends on the situation, the features of the protected object, other conditions depend. Is there a gas analyzer on the "Marker"?
        Security with the use of SS (service dogs) is an effective thing, but very troublesome:
        1. Dog preparation is a long, costly process.
        The same applies to the training of a cynologist, guide.
        2. "Service life" of the dog is short. (((
        3. As a rule, additional equipment of the security object is required (if it is not just patrolling).
        4. A dog is not a technique - you can’t put it in a box, the toggle switch is in the “off” position. you won't translate.
        Lots of other features.
        The complex method is much more efficient. But, accordingly, more time-consuming, costly.
        1. +19
          19 August 2022 06: 31
          Quote: AAG
          Training a dog is a long, costly process.
          The same applies to the training of a cynologist, guide...
          Yes, in vain you are so skeptical. For example, a service-search dog (SRS), together with a "zero" cynologist, is trained at the canine center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for 4 months. And the dog has been working for at least 8 years. And she doesn’t need a thermal imager, she has a sense of smell 20 times stronger than ours, and with vision and hearing, she’s all right. Her battery will not run out and will react even when "the soldier is sleeping, but the service is on." So, it has served and will serve for thousands of years.
          1. +4
            19 August 2022 07: 56
            Quote: Vladimir61
            So, it has served and will serve for thousands of years.


            In addition, a modern dog can be a product of genetic engineering and gene doping - for example, in order to improve its health and extend the time of active service. This is already quite a practical selection technology.
          2. +5
            19 August 2022 08: 33
            one drawback - the dog gets tired.
            1. +1
              20 August 2022 11: 37
              And another disadvantage can be poisoned! There are developments of flavors that a dog cannot refuse, and saboteurs have learned to throw them a hundred meters.
          3. Aag
            +5
            19 August 2022 09: 35
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Quote: AAG
            Training a dog is a long, costly process.
            The same applies to the training of a cynologist, guide...
            Yes, in vain you are so skeptical. For example, a service-search dog (SRS), together with a "zero" cynologist, is trained at the canine center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for 4 months. And the dog has been working for at least 8 years. And she doesn’t need a thermal imager, she has a sense of smell 20 times stronger than ours, and with vision and hearing, she’s all right. Her battery will not run out and will react even when "the soldier is sleeping, but the service is on." So, it has served and will serve for thousands of years.

            No, it's realistic. I'm familiar from the inside.
            A candidate for the ZKS, SS, SRS, KS, first you need to grow up (at least 4 months), and educate. From what you have raised and educated, determine the priority profile of training (the requirements for security and search dogs are somewhat different, sometimes even mutually exclusive).
            In addition, a well-trained dog, in the absence of regular training, classes, and incorrect use, loses its skills quite quickly. With an illiterate guide, a cynologist, it is even faster. With a change of "crew", the replacement of the guide is not always beneficial ...
            With regards to cynologists, this is even more difficult. Some do not fit initially (according to MDK, psychotype, temperament, etc.). Some remain "zero" until the end of their service. I had to observe both in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and in the Federal Penitentiary Service.
            The dog has been working NO MORE THAN 8 years. Again, - with proper "exploitation".
            Here you have already laid a system error in your comment: "... her battery will not run out ...". Often they do this - they put them on a chain, - and that's it! Well, she, the dog, will do just that! I don’t know how it is now, under the USSR there were clear instructions and instructions
            (in the image and likeness of the UG and the Constitutional Court of the USSR Armed Forces) where even the time the dog served at the post was stipulated depending on climatic and weather conditions.
            Sometimes there are "children's" disputes - how long will a dog "endure" without water, food? First of all, she will "cease being a dog" if you deprive her of sleep! Leave it in the sun, in the rain in the absence of a canopy, shelter ... A lot of factors.
            And yes, - I'm only FOR, with the right, comprehensive approach.
            Well, I don’t know about the search for DRGs of more effective "means". hi
            1. +4
              19 August 2022 11: 58
              Quote: AAG
              No, it's realistic. I'm familiar from the inside.

              Yes, and I didn’t seem to pass by, if I already wrote.
              Quote: AAG
              The dog has been working NO MORE THAN 8 years. Again, - with proper "exploitation".
              Here you have already laid a system error in your comment: "... her battery will not run out ...". Often they do this - they put them on a chain, - and that's it!

              Maybe it’s the same for you, but I, for ten years with SRS in an embrace and put on a “chain”, even if I wanted to give rest to myself and the dog, it was almost impossible.
              1. Aag
                +5
                19 August 2022 20: 33
                Quote: Vladimir61
                Quote: AAG
                No, it's realistic. I'm familiar from the inside.

                Yes, and I didn’t seem to pass by, if I already wrote.
                Quote: AAG
                The dog has been working NO MORE THAN 8 years. Again, - with proper "exploitation".
                Here you have already laid a system error in your comment: "... her battery will not run out ...". Often they do this - they put them on a chain, - and that's it!

                Maybe it’s the same for you, but I, for ten years with SRS in an embrace and put on a “chain”, even if I wanted to give rest to myself and the dog, it was almost impossible.

                Then welcome, colleague!!
                I don’t want to be intrusive, I just ask you to be correctly understood ...
                After all, neither my certificates (a guide for service dogs, a cynologist-instructor, ... - believe me, I think that all this is dust!), Nor diplomas of a dog in OKD, ZKS, RS (for people not close to the topic: General Training Course, protectively - Guard Service, Investigative Service), and not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the former Allied ...
                (Believe me, I am not showing off. I just want to convey to you the idea that ... I am very sensitive to the interaction between Man-Dog.
                Your "... in an embrace ..."...
                And why lie?: being a captain, he stood up on duty in the united park) who is not a military man, - the fleet). In case of malfunctions of the heaters, it was necessary to hide behind the dogs ... He was very embarrassed (if you really understand the hierarchy of the dog, for a properly educated dog, this is a serious barrier.) ...
                Further, if you will allow ..))):
                "... Maybe you have it, but I, a dozen years with SRS in an embrace ..."
                Not with me!, colleague (to say - my friend, - it would be very presumptuous (however, - as well as self-risking, - sorry, - I became more careful with age))).
                Buddy! Sorry for such an appeal, you touched thin strings, strongly stretched., once again I ask for understanding, well, maybe even forgiveness! ... My most "trump card" Dog was buried with all military honors but ... died, in fact , with my hand, - the nurse was stunned by the resilience of the dog ... And I will never forget this look, - "What? Really? Is it necessary ?!"
                ... So I think - you are an adult - you should be ready for such an outcome.
                Sorry if that ... hi
                To offend? - I certainly had no desire. Yes, there were episodes of life when there were no dogs around - only in those periods when I understood that I would not arrange the fate of a dog ... About the personal, - in this context, - it does not matter ...
                Sorry, digressing - to the topic of the article ...
                You seem to have taken landing "on a chain" very personally ... I spoke (wrote) about the official "use" of dogs. Yes, I have experience - according to ... observations, communication with cynologists of various qualifications ... But! It seems, colleague, you are building your conclusions on personal experience, starting only on the personal (seemingly positive) experience of the "dog breeder". I assure you, Sobakin, who lives and serves you, your family (in an apartment, on a plot ..), is not at all what the Army, law enforcement agencies require ..
                With all due respect to the dogs, I'm sorry, I acquire a certain "healthy" cynicism (well, if the children die. In the end, Amundsen also ate dogs ... Sorry for the "provocation" ...)
                1. +3
                  19 August 2022 21: 48
                  Hello colleague! True, it was still in the distant youth, 9 months of school, then wanted. By the end of the 80s, many went to the ITK system - at least there our "friends" were fed at the expense of the state, and the work was 1/3, not 24/7.
                  A photo of the first-born, always and almost everyone next to the photo of close relatives and friends.
                  Good luck, health!
                  1. Aag
                    +2
                    19 August 2022 22: 09
                    Quote: Vladimir61
                    Hello colleague! True, it was still in the distant youth, 9 months of school, then wanted. By the end of the 80s, many went to the ITK system - at least there our "friends" were fed at the expense of the state, and the work was 1/3, not 24/7.
                    A photo of the first-born, always and almost everyone next to the photo of close relatives and friends.
                    Good luck, health!

                    Sorry, not yet ready to answer fully. But I appreciated the positive attitude to communication, thank you! Health to you, your loved ones, for sure - these include your (s) dogs. Perhaps you should not "clog" the branch - I'm glad I found a kindred, dog soul ... - perhaps it would be more correct to write in a personal .. hi No, I'm just for the popularization of the "dog" theme! But - sorry, realistic (I think so - I look at the topic ..)))).
                    The dog is a friend of man. And the man, for the most part, -! And not in a canine, specific sense
          4. 0
            25 August 2022 13: 29
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Quote: AAG
            Training a dog is a long, costly process.
            The same applies to the training of a cynologist, guide...
            Yes, in vain you are so skeptical. For example, a service-search dog (SRS), together with a "zero" cynologist, is trained at the canine center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for 4 months. And the dog has been working for at least 8 years. And she doesn’t need a thermal imager, she has a sense of smell 20 times stronger than ours, and with vision and hearing, she’s all right. Her battery will not run out and will react even when "the soldier is sleeping, but the service is on." So, it has served and will serve for thousands of years.

            Against the scent of a dog, there are special preparations that beat off this scent forever. As for hearing and vision, these qualities are somewhat exaggerated. You don’t want her to run after every hare, do you?
        2. +4
          19 August 2022 09: 20
          Veremeev directly wrote that the effectiveness of the dog's work directly depends on the intangible fact as the connection of the dog with the handler, on the level of understanding and interaction of the couple.
          1. Aag
            +2
            19 August 2022 09: 40
            Quote: Not the fighter
            Veremeev directly wrote that the effectiveness of the dog's work directly depends on the intangible fact as the connection of the dog with the handler, on the level of understanding and interaction of the couple.

            Absolutely true!
            Only the degree of dependence varies with the type of service: for example, in the guard service this dependence is less, in the RS (search service) it is more.
            1. +2
              19 August 2022 21: 52
              Quote: AAG
              in the RS (search service) - more

              This is exactly when the day is in ambush, warmth goes in both directions - warmth and devotion from a friend, love and care from you.
      2. +8
        19 August 2022 06: 24
        Dogs are better. Because they are, but these toys are not, if they are only as exhibits in Patriot Park, no more.
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 15: 42
          Well, right, you shouldn’t repeat the mistakes of “partners from behind the hill”, they also said that there are no Calibers, no Poseidon, no Armata (it was made by 5 pieces for the parade), no Su-57 (4 pieces for the parade), no BMPT - Terminator, no Uranus ... Yes, there are many things, but history has shown that when Putin showed cartoons, and the whole world was laughing at it, the military industry launched mass production.
          Somehow like this
          1. +1
            19 August 2022 21: 58
            the military industry launched mass production.

            What "launched"?
            With the exception of ZM14, which is the essence of ZM10 (RK Granat), the rest are "Potemkin villages."
            We assemble all of Russia for the CVO: UAVs, walkie-talkies, medicine, a thermal imager, sights, harness.
            Fought T-72B **!
            Did you see the T-90 ** piece by piece?
            You are there for the sake of interest about camouflage nets google.
            If the elite 56 Airborne Infantry, according to P. Filatov, looks like homeless people, compared to the troops☝️Kadyrov..
            Somehow like this

            Aha
            Well, right, you should not repeat the mistakes of "partners from behind the hillock"

            Yes, we have already filled the corn by stepping on the rake.
            Javelin is shit, Stinger is bullshit, 777 is bullshit, Harpoon is a child's toy, hymars is diarrhea, a pathetic excuse for an ancient hurricane.
            Right?
            Ryabov Kirill will not let you lie!
            1. 0
              3 September 2022 11: 23
              I wrote in general what exactly, did you read my post carefully? The rest of what you wrote I won’t even comment on - just nonsense.
          2. 0
            20 August 2022 05: 15
            History shows that there are no Su-57s, that there are not enough helicopters, that there are no Armata in the army, there are only 10 terminators and they did not show themselves in any way. Poseidon. What difference does it make whether he is or not, the same applies to the Petrel. If it comes to them, then neither you nor your family, the same applies to me, is no longer in this world. And the Planet itself is living its last hours. Without them, God is already tired of sorting someone where to heaven or hell.
            But figs with them, what is advertised in the sun has not yet arrived. Like UAVs, they use Chinese toys, heavy infantry fighting vehicles, even BMP-1 come across or some kind of indistinct modernization, militias from the DPR / LPR so they fight with mosquitoes and all dress up in their armor and helmets.
          3. -3
            20 August 2022 22: 46
            Quote: Nikolai Khromov
            Well, right, you shouldn’t repeat the mistakes of “partners from behind the hill”, they also said that there are no Calibers, no Poseidon, no Armata (it was made by 5 pieces for the parade), no Su-57 (4 pieces for the parade), no BMPT - Terminator, no Uranus ... Yes, there are many things, but history has shown that when Putin showed cartoons, and the whole world was laughing at it, the military industry launched mass production.
            Somehow like this

            Oh, and nonsense you write ...
            Simply fabulous.
            What did the military industry launch from cartoons?
        2. +1
          19 August 2022 17: 10
          Wonderful logic. I applaud! Let's replace UAVs with pigeons and crows, because they exist.
          On the other hand, I agree. In terms of its performance characteristics, this craft is not very close to what Samsung built along the border with the DPRK about 10 years ago. Even then, network-centred control and pattern recognition were laid. And it has been working for a long time, and here is another exhibition prototype (declaration of possible intentions). The headline is screaming indeed. This iron zugunder is, as far as possible, image recognition somewhere at the level of a shrimp and works only on one channel (visual). The dog has: touch, smell, sight (dogs are even blind, but they see in a larger range of waves), hearing (much better than a human), much more secrecy and patency.
          1. +1
            20 August 2022 05: 28
            Quote from barbos
            Let's replace UAVs with pigeons and crows, because they exist.

            We have UAVs. Well, where is the super cool S-70, aka the Hunter? Eagles and stuff... Oh no. And our troops are forced to use Chinese toys at all levels. Do you follow b/d? Do you at least pay attention that our aviation does not cross the front line and even invented this type of shooting in that steppe, according to the scientific approach. Before reaching the front line, a helicopter or a plane lifted its nose and launched NURSs, and where will they go? And the jester knows him. And we don’t have attack UAVs of at least the Bayraktar type. More precisely, there are probably more than a dozen names, but they are not. And we have kamikaze UAVs, but in such quantities that they are used by special forces and even then to a limited extent.
            That's what I wrote about and not about the fact that UAVs need to be replaced with pigeons and crows.
            1. 0
              22 August 2022 00: 42
              Well, where is the super cool S-70, aka the Hunter?
              Every single one of the exhibits
              1. 0
                22 August 2022 03: 23
                Here I am about the same.
                All this is strange
        3. +1
          19 August 2022 20: 14
          Quote: 28st region
          as exhibits in Patriot Park


          By the way, domestic high-tech veterinary medicine for service dogs could become such an exhibit; feed and zoochemistry, various accessories and items. These things are guaranteed to work, are in demand and cost much less in money.
          1. Aag
            0
            19 August 2022 22: 25
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            Quote: 28st region
            as exhibits in Patriot Park


            By the way, domestic high-tech veterinary medicine for service dogs could become such an exhibit; feed and zoochemistry, various accessories and items. These things are guaranteed to work, are in demand and cost much less in money.

            Buddy, sorry for the familiarity, are we talking about money again? Or is it all about efficiency, usefulness for the Russian Federation, the people?
            1. 0
              19 August 2022 23: 11
              So after all, by measuring the effectiveness of spending, we measure the benefit.
              Veterinary drugs, vehitech - are already working here and now and are much cheaper, in contrast to ground-based mobile robotics, which is still at an experimental stage and should be funded from research funding sources and not commodity purchases.
              Therefore, it is more efficient to invest not in robotics, but in them; well, or if robots are really needed, then develop something useful - for example, a serial and cheap robot surgeon or a teleoperation system for veterinary purposes - such systems have long been used to treat people and it is known for sure that they have a beneficial effect.
              Well, or make a "smart enclosure" system (similar to a smart home) - it will definitely be useful.
              1. Aag
                -1
                19 August 2022 23: 18
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                So after all, by measuring the effectiveness of spending, we measure the benefit.
                Veterinary drugs, vehitech - are already working here and now and are much cheaper, in contrast to ground-based mobile robotics, which is still at an experimental stage and should be funded from research funding sources and not commodity purchases.
                Therefore, it is more efficient to invest not in robotics, but in them; well, or if robots are really needed, then develop something useful - for example, a serial and cheap robot surgeon or a teleoperation system for veterinary purposes - such systems have long been used to treat people and it is known for sure that they have a beneficial effect.
                Well, or make a "smart enclosure" system (similar to a smart home) - it will definitely be useful.

                Sorry, - misunderstood ... Understood - that you are very partial to the topic, - Thank you?
              2. Aag
                0
                20 August 2022 00: 42
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                So after all, by measuring the effectiveness of spending, we measure the benefit.
                Veterinary drugs, vehitech - are already working here and now and are much cheaper, in contrast to ground-based mobile robotics, which is still at an experimental stage and should be funded from research funding sources and not commodity purchases.
                Therefore, it is more efficient to invest not in robotics, but in them; well, or if robots are really needed, then develop something useful - for example, a serial and cheap robot surgeon or a teleoperation system for veterinary purposes - such systems have long been used to treat people and it is known for sure that they have a beneficial effect.
                Well, or make a "smart enclosure" system (similar to a smart home) - it will definitely be useful.

                I really don’t understand: you are joking, trolling, (I admit, not always
                1. 0
                  20 August 2022 09: 55
                  This is a technique for evaluating fundamentally different projects by economists: we count the money that we saved due to the extension of the dogs and their rehabilitation, we count the investments in both options and compare them.
                  In the comments, he was more serious than ever - and medicines and other supplies are needed and a robotic veterinary surgeon is useful (they can perform delicate operations and experienced specialists who operate even remotely - this is exactly what happens with people for whom such a robot has already been developed).
                  And the "smart enclosure" system is useful, because in large enclosures, which will be structurally buildings, it can manage lighting, heating, water supply, ventilation, elevators, box-quarantines, decontamination and pest control chambers, washing machines and cage/bowl washing machines, conveyors and lifts and save their utilities. For people in buildings, bacnet has been used for this since the 80s.
        4. Aag
          +1
          19 August 2022 22: 28
          Quote: 28st region
          Dogs are better. Because they are, but these toys are not, if they are only as exhibits in Patriot Park, no more.

          Well, out of inertia, Out of good intentions, out of inertia, out of solidarity, a plus from me (I understand, not much, everything I can ....
          . Apparently, I will upset you - here (in service dog breeding), approximately - as in everything in Russia! °
          Tueva a lot of problems, keep everything on enthusiasts - thanks to them (!)
          Sorry, got away from these things...
      3. +1
        19 August 2022 07: 23
        In fact, this device is better if all the performance characteristics are as stated. And if it’s like with personal walkie-talkies that are inaudible in a neighboring trench ...
        1. +3
          19 August 2022 10: 51
          Quote from Virtual
          And if it’s like with personal walkie-talkies that are inaudible in a neighboring trench ...

          and according to the radios, the criminal case has not been completed, and there are 6 yards, if memory serves
          1. +7
            19 August 2022 12: 15
            And then, as with Vasilyeva, they will reduce the amount from 12 yards to 200 million (which, like, will reimburse ... hell, I would also agree to steal 12 yards and reimburse 200 million of them)))), they will give a period of 2,5 years , they will serve 3 months (and will they serve it? Vasilyeva was seen more than once in the city during his term. I personally did not meet, but like, people saw. For what I bought, for that I sell))). And then to freedom with a clear conscience ... and 12 yards in your pocket (well, even with a half))))
            1. -1
              19 August 2022 19: 09
              And then to freedom with a clear conscience ... and 12 yards in your pocket (well, even with a half))))

              Also with a bunch of pictures and poems written on the "imprisonment" ;-)
        2. 0
          20 August 2022 10: 40
          A "good" walkie-talkie has one significant drawback, the enemy hears you, or rather, sees your location with the help of RTR complexes.
          What do you personally need an individual connection for 20 km for? Gathered to command a regiment? Duc there in kshmke there is a connection, almost at any range.
          1. -1
            21 August 2022 11: 36
            A "good" walkie-talkie has one significant drawback, the enemy hears you, or rather, sees your location with the help of RTR complexes.

            Why don’t ours then take bearings from ukrov with Motorolas?
            What do you personally need an individual connection for 20 km for?

            I'm not talking about 20 km. I'm talking about this from Besogon:
            “If 10 years ago someone had put this shit on the Web and explained that it (shows one of the provided walkie-talkies - ed.) is shit, it doesn’t work and won’t work, maybe someone Someday I realized that I need to do something else, because this shit for 300 thousand rubles gives, God forbid, 300 meters of communication. In my practice, often 25 - 30 meters. And then people, perhaps, would not die from their fire.
            For this one walkie-talkie I will buy, even if I sell it on Avito, 30 Baofengs. Each of them will work better. And there will be 30 of them - I will provide a platoon with communications! And people who get this shit for free throw it away and buy Baofeng with their own money. Or this, which Ukrainians obey without the slightest problem at all. Absolutely. Because they have everything on Motorola, they are trained by experts from Motorola. It is decrypted"

            I am not a fan of Mikhalkov, he draws conclusions that are not always correct, but raises the right questions.
            1. 0
              22 August 2022 23: 09
              They don’t take bearings, because there RTR is generally used singly, like electronic warfare. I can’t say exactly what it is connected with, but I can guess. Electronic warfare, apparently, does not want to disclose the algorithms of work, there, along the border, six pieces of NATO aircraft are cut into circles. But there is apparently no need for RTR, intelligence is already enough ..
              In the 90s, during the service, we had walkie-talkies that compressed the package and the transmission lasted an instant. There were single copies.
              Even then, self-propelled guns came to the unit, then they themselves could be guided from kshm. But there were 6 of them and one kshm, a bunch of officers and developers came with them.
      4. +1
        19 August 2022 16: 14
        And what is better, a dog's hearing for several tens of meters or a robot's thermal imager for hundreds of meters?)

        1. The dog hears at night at 150-160 m, during the day in the littered air at 60 meters
        2. In addition to hearing, she has a unique sense of smell, and feels the vibrations of the soil and something else that defies reason:
        She senses my wife's arrival in ~20 minutes. Is always.
        It doesn't matter if it's a city or our collective farm.
        3. A modern thermal imager detects an IR contrasting object at a distance of 20 km.
        And if this product "sees" at 100 meters, it is worthy of Rogozin
        4. A dog is several orders of magnitude more efficient and cheaper.
        This pepelats is offered to bring down drones (at a height of up to 100 m) fool
        5. It's not a robot, it's a remote controlled product @
        And most importantly: this @ product was blinded by the same office that worked on the robot Fedor.
        The result and efficiency will be the same
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 20: 56
          Quote from TreeSmall
          And most importantly: this @ product was blinded by the same office that worked on the robot Fedor.


          The anthropoid robot in space has a very popular niche - ultra-long assembly and loading work and repairs in vacuum conditions, diagnostics and monitoring of equipment and experiments, as well as escorting crews on interplanetary flights. It is impossible to work in a spacesuit for more than a few hours even in emergency situations, and the robot drone was originally designed for outboard operation under remote control and usually does not even get inside the ship. Vacuum stationary manipulators are already available at the station and were at the shuttles, but their capabilities are no longer enough. And they cannot use the tool and objects intended for people, but an anthropoid can.
          In general, it would be more correct to promote this mechanism using the example of the Apollo 13 and Columbia shuttle accidents, explaining that such a mechanism can continuously and carefully monitor the technical compartments of ships in a vacuum and prevent accidents, deal with them, if they happen, from a safe removal for crew, and in his spare time from technical safety work, work as a loader and laboratory assistant. Take such a robot on a flight to the Moon or on a shuttle - events could develop not so dramatically and tragically.
          According to the mind, the next generation of the Fedor robot can be equipped with a built-in high-speed 3-D printer for making the necessary emergency spare parts and repair consumables from plastics, ceramics and alloys right on the spot.
          1. -2
            19 August 2022 21: 46
            It's all understandable and fun.
            Why, in conditions of weightlessness and vacuum, a humanoid ape, evolutionarily honed by nature for life in the jungle, in conditions of gravity and herds?
            With arms, legs?
            Open the chakra:
            In weightlessness and vacuum, a symbiosis of an octopus and a cockroach (spider, ant) ​​is needed.
            From the fact that the stupid journalist Rogozin drowned the dachshund (in public, moreover) in the oxy water: our divers did not abandon scuba gear and underwater (American, I note) suits.
            1. +1
              19 August 2022 23: 39
              There are biological limitations due to which the shape of the robot must be without kookies - it is difficult for a person to control tentacles or helicopter propellers and easily with legs and similar devices, such as hoof imitations, but even there there are problems.
              The operators of the General Electric Quadruped Transporter withstood only 15 minutes of active work in this walker-tractor, although from many purely technical aspects it was good and was not too exotic - just a quadruped, like any quadruped. And he did not fail the technical test program - for example, he was successfully tested as a carrier of aerial bombs to aircraft.
              For complex and large, expensive unmanned satellites, by the way, it makes sense to include in the kit an insuring simple cubesat observer with the function of an engine, a camera and a repeater. take action and it can also become a relay - often fatal accidents occur from a banal loss of communication or orientation and inspection, relaying telemetry and commands and towing work may be the only way to return to work somewhere very far an automatic station or a heavy scientific or telecommunications satellite.
      5. +2
        19 August 2022 17: 08
        Thermal imagers are used for who knows how long, and sabotage occurs, and even in smoke and fog your thermal imager will generally get cold.
  4. -8
    19 August 2022 06: 02
    All this is good, wonderful and beautiful, but ... "Where is the money, Zin?"
  5. +2
    19 August 2022 06: 03
    And be it a Western development, most of them enthusiastically praised you
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 17: 18
      The fact is that in the southeast (in South Korea) there have long been working samples guarding the border with the DPRK. A sniper rifle was installed there for prophonation. In fact, they have invested in a decentralized network model of interaction and in pattern recognition systems. If suspicious activity is detected, a signal is given and specially trained people with the same dogs clarify the situation. The system is practically autonomous (an operator with a joystick is not assigned to each robot). Well, yes, it was not implemented in Western countries, so there was no special pathos in the news.
    2. +1
      20 August 2022 05: 47
      Now we are also praising, we are indignant at the fact that wonderful samples do not go to the Armed Forces. They will make one exhibition sample, and that's it.
      1. 0
        20 August 2022 06: 24
        Who said don't go? Or do you think that Shoigu should personally report to you?
        1. +1
          20 August 2022 06: 29
          So he reports to the whole country. It's strange that you don't know about it.
  6. +4
    19 August 2022 06: 10
    You won't check, you won't know.
    Everything is known in comparison ... real.
  7. +2
    19 August 2022 06: 23
    Interesting technique.
    Will she help fight the "petals".
    Svinreikh began to fill Belgorod region with them:
    "The sowing of "petal" mines in the border regions of the Russian Federation has begun. Today, mines have been discovered in the Belgorod Region"

    https://t.me/strelkovii/3097
    1. +2
      19 August 2022 12: 18
      Yes, yes ... and they also called them "earthworm" ...)))
  8. Eug
    +3
    19 August 2022 06: 26
    So many buzzwords, it's strange that artificial intelligence is not mentioned. As for me, the simplified version in the civilian sector is the place.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 17: 33
      Quote: Eug
      strange that artificial intelligence is not mentioned.

      Do you need to be informed only by terms from fantastic stories? negative request
      The article clearly states about the use of a neural network and machine learning, which is an applied implementation of AI.
      You obviously only trynd about AI without putting a drop of effort into reading its description. angry
      1. +1
        20 August 2022 22: 56
        Quote: Genry
        Quote: Eug
        strange that artificial intelligence is not mentioned.

        Do you need to be informed only by terms from fantastic stories? negative request
        The article clearly states about the use of a neural network and machine learning, which is an applied implementation of AI.
        You obviously only trynd about AI without putting a drop of effort into reading its description. angry

        At best, there is the level of the environment control system, like Yandex / Sber drones, etc.
        1. 0
          22 August 2022 14: 29
          Are you an expert to talk like that?
  9. +2
    19 August 2022 06: 52
    Just. Edward Perov. This complex will croak something at the laid SVU, tell something to the lighthouse. in general, how can a patrol of the greens be beaten according to the principle?
  10. +2
    19 August 2022 07: 01
    Yes, let's hope everything goes according to plan! It's true yesterday, when the GDP was chastising the Head of USC Rakhmanov for unprofitable contracts, it somehow became sad when he saw that Mr. Frank was sitting to the left of Mr. Rakhmanov, and Mr. Dietrich was sitting to the right.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 10: 45
      Quote: Vladimir61
      to the left of Mr. Rakhmanov, Mr. Frank is sitting, and to the right, Mr. Dietrich.


      what do we want? - then we get
      these uncles play with their toys, and we get what you see in SVO
      and there - "yesterday" - but the money was not only mastered, but also still owed ... to whom??
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 13: 33
        Quote: Dedok
        and there - "yesterday" - but the money was not only mastered, but also still owed ... to whom??

        Sorry, but you do not understand what is at stake. Putin has once again shown himself ... far from the best.
        Simply put, the situation was like this - the new pricing system of the military-industrial complex, adopted under Serdyukov, is built in such a way as to reduce the prices of military equipment to infinity (this applies to serial equipment with a long production cycle). But at the same time, many enterprises do not have the right to refuse to comply with the State Defense Order. That is, it turned out to be absurd - in a number of cases, an enterprise can only produce products under the state defense order at a loss.
        Rakhmanov found himself in this position. And he had every right to say: "Vladimir Vladimirovich, you personally, as president, are to blame for the fact that USC is forced to build at dumping prices, since it was you who approved the absurd procedure for pricing weapons and military equipment." Rakhmanov, of course, could not say this aloud...
        1. 0
          22 August 2022 14: 31
          Where does the information come from?
          1. +1
            22 August 2022 16: 48
            Work for a couple of years at enterprises fulfilling the state defense order, and everything will be clear
            1. 0
              22 August 2022 19: 01
              A very streamlined answer. Expected more.
              1. 0
                22 August 2022 20: 20
                And a more detailed answer a little lower, Dedku answered. Just copy-paste is prohibited, and rewriting the same thing in other words is so-so fun
                1. 0
                  23 August 2022 12: 25
                  Thanks, interesting information. We need to change the approach to procurement and cooperation between enterprises.
        2. 0
          22 August 2022 14: 57
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          new pricing system for the military-industrial complex adopted under Serdyukov

          what is it new?
          any pricing system should be based on costing, and where is the minus?
          everything that the "eyes" only saw was included in the calculation
          the question is different - these people can carry out orders - but they do not understand where this will lead ....
          1. +1
            22 August 2022 16: 47
            Quote: Dedok
            any pricing system should be based on costing, and where is the minus?

            And the minus arises in the coordination of this very costing.
            Simply put, you, for example, signed a contract for the construction of corvette 20380, the start of construction is 2011. You agreed on an honest calculation of the cost and the same honest profit on it.
            But now a year passes, and the MO orders you another corvette. You update the prices for the purchase of raw materials and materials, and issue an updated cost estimate. And the military representative with his finger menacingly like this: "You're naughty, brother, I don't agree!"
            Why? Yes, because they have an attitude - no matter how much you show in the costing of costs, the maximum that you will achieve is to increase the price by the official inflation rate. That is, if it is written that inflation has grown by 6% - that's 6% and get the price, and that purchase prices have increased by 15% - nobody cares. In essence, you can compete only for components that other enterprises supply to you within the framework of the state defense order - for them, too, the price increase will not exceed 6%, here the military representatives will help. But 1% of the profit is supposed to be on such components, so this does not help much.
            In general, there is a simple fact - our prices are growing much faster than the official inflation rates, and military representatives do not care how much you buy metal and similar raw materials.
            There is a second sadness - the inability to compensate for all this with labor productivity. That is, for example, before you made, say, a case for a grenade, and 50 man-hours of turners were spent on this with a salary of 270 rubles. in hour. And you took it and installed a CNC machine, and the cost decreased from 50 to 3 man-hours. But a CNC machine operator costs more, say, 700 rubles. in hour.
            So in this case, the military representative will gladly cut the man-hours in the calculation (from 50 to 3), but the PRICE will remain the same - 270 rubles. It was agreed upon, and they will add the same inflation coefficient as a maximum to it ...
    2. -1
      19 August 2022 17: 10
      And why is Rakhmanov not responsible from behind bars??? fellow
    3. +2
      20 August 2022 06: 06
      Okay, so what's next? Not for the first time, but things are still there.
  11. +7
    19 August 2022 07: 24
    It's funny to read and watch all these videos and pictures, and then see vehicles twice as old as the crew in battle.
  12. +4
    19 August 2022 07: 26
    But I’m wondering, is the superdiesel and neural network iron domestically produced, or, as with “domestic” drones, will production grunt in the midst of the war?
    1. +1
      20 August 2022 23: 01
      Quote from Virtual
      But I’m wondering, is the superdiesel and neural network iron domestically produced, or, as with “domestic” drones, will production grunt in the midst of the war?

      Have you heard about the production base of processors in the Russian Federation?
      I'm here, no.
      Also, I have not heard about Russian manufacturers of diesel engines up to 1.5 liters.
      For you can get a figure with a consumption of 3 liters only in the hybrid mode of driving on the highway, together with an electric motor. Accordingly, the engine should have a volume of about 1.-.2 liters.
      1. -2
        21 August 2022 00: 20
        Yes, there are processors. And I have some dealings with them.
        For example "Angstrem" or NIIET.
        But as a rule, these are still products of Soviet or post-Soviet development.
        For example 1839 or 1867 series.
        Good for avionics.
        1. 0
          21 August 2022 11: 09
          For avionics and 1801VM3, you can overclock to 100 MHz using technologies available in Russia, but for something else, and even more so for neural networks, this is nothing. What was more powerful was made under license and at factories in Taiwan.
      2. -1
        21 August 2022 11: 15
        There are processors, but these are 30-year-old clones, 40-year-old originals.
        That there are 1-2 liter diesels, there are no diesels on the Gazelle (well, gas helps out there), but only recently something similar to not the most advanced Cummins was done on KamAZ trucks.

        So I'm talking about this: why initially bet on something that the military economy (even if it is a "special") time cannot produce?
  13. +4
    19 August 2022 08: 23
    when you look at these exhibitions, you are taken aback: how can such products withstand explosions in the Crimea or the Belgorod region?
    we - completely forgotten how to think ??
    or we just know how to design tracked vehicles - for every taste ...
    1. +1
      22 August 2022 14: 34
      Your entire military confrontation boils down to "to resist explosions in the Crimea or the Belgorod region?" Sadly.
  14. +3
    19 August 2022 09: 48
    It is enough to knock out the tower and it can only fight with a blind operator with a ram.
  15. +1
    19 August 2022 10: 20
    Questions immediately arise:
    - How is noise-immune communication implemented?
    - How is mine detection implemented?
    1. +2
      19 August 2022 17: 26
      I can answer in one word to all your questions - no way.
      With noise-immune and encrypted communication (these are different concepts), we have almost nothing. Especially with noise immunity is difficult. There it is necessary to think about noise-immune coding, then implement it. We cannot yet comprehend the codes (these are not ciphers) of Reed-Soloman, although they are already about 50 years old. Therefore, somehow.
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 20: 56
        Good evening, of course, I could be wrong, and I don’t track publications on noise-immune coding, apparently in the VHF band, but in satellite communications, Reed-Solomon codes have been used with might and main for a long time, so nothing is hard.
        1. 0
          22 August 2022 01: 11
          The Reed-Solomon code is used in CDs (aka CDs). That's when the development of the CD began (late seventies, early eighties), then it began to be used everywhere. This is a fairly old algorithm for error-correcting coding, invented in 1960. Since then, it has been used in satellite communications.
          More modern Blue-ray players use a more modern protocol. Well, how modern? Many have already forgotten about these carriers for good.
  16. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 22
    "... the local aborigines are eager for metal and other valuables."

    Lord, oh!
    Judging by the press reports and my personal observations, this public is able to get close to the "Marker" itself and quickly, in a pioneering way, pull it away for scrap. Probably there are blind spots and in general ...

    Better patrol submachine gunners with dogs - on foot, on horseback, in jeeps, on the same armored cars - have not yet come up with anything. Plus all sorts of security alarms. Yes, something like that
    .
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 22: 55
      On the basis of the BMP 3, it looks more secure and the equipment does not stick out of all the slots, which can be knocked out with fragments and a regular burst.
  17. +1
    19 August 2022 11: 58
    Is everything in the future tense again? Warehouses are burning, such equipment is needed now. As well as the means of detecting drones, the means of their destruction. Everything is being done, everything is about to happen, and no one is in a hurry. There is no comrade Beria, everything would have already been tested in the troops.
    1. +3
      19 August 2022 12: 34
      everyone is calm, no one is in a hurry, enjoying the tank biathlon
  18. 0
    19 August 2022 21: 12
    And how will the control of the Marker - Operator look like? interesting to look
  19. Aag
    +1
    19 August 2022 22: 18
    Quote: AAG
    Quote: Vladimir61
    Hello colleague! True, it was still in the distant youth, 9 months of school, then wanted. By the end of the 80s, many went to the ITK system - at least there our "friends" were fed at the expense of the state, and the work was 1/3, not 24/7.
    A photo of the first-born, always and almost everyone next to the photo of close relatives and friends.
    Good luck, health!

    Sorry, not yet ready to answer fully. But I appreciated the positive attitude to communication, thank you! Health to you, your loved ones, for sure - these include your (s) dogs. Perhaps you should not "clog" the branch - I'm glad I found a kindred, dog soul ... - perhaps it would be more correct to write in a personal .. hi No, I'm just for the popularization of the "dog" theme! But - sorry, realistic (I think so - I look at the topic ..)))).
    The dog is a friend of man. And the man, for the most part, -! And not in a canine, specific sense
  20. +2
    19 August 2022 22: 39
    For this, the product was tested in the possessions of Roskosmos - in the territories adjacent to the Vostochny cosmodrome.
    Is this exactly where the billions were embezzled?
  21. 0
    20 August 2022 12: 36
    Operator-controlled minefields, mixed with motion sensors and a grid energized up to 3000V direct current around the protected object. Welcome to the "Perimeter" system (not to be confused with the "Dead Hand"), which is 40 years old. There were no drones back then. Yes. You can add a grid on top of the wounded object. From some thin durable material, such as nano))) And keep track of the adversary in silence))
    1. -1
      20 August 2022 16: 59
      And how much did this happiness cost? We're not in the USSR))) That's where the "perimeter" covered a lot of things .....
  22. 0
    20 August 2022 20: 03
    Until we start creating and implementing, we will not see progress! We must start!
  23. 0
    27 September 2022 06: 15
    fairy tales about the distant future. categorically forbid showing promising new items at any international forums. only stock cars!
    the role of a boastful merchant ... without trousers brought us to the seven-month "last" war.
    amateurs are ruining the country.