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Boeing-Nammo Ramjet 155 rocket launcher being tested

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Projectile model at Eurosatory 2018


Over the past few years, the American company Boeing, in collaboration with the Norwegian Nammo, has been developing a promising long-range artillery projectile. To date, the Ramjet 155 project has passed the early stages, and test firing is now underway. Experienced projectiles demonstrate design characteristics and give rise to positive forecasts.

Initiative, cooperation and contracts


In 2018, at the Eurosatory exhibition in France, Nammo for the first time presented the concept of an active-rocket projectile with an increased firing range. The main feature of this concept was its own ramjet engine, which made it possible to significantly increase the firing range compared to conventional ammunition. So, it was argued that in a standard caliber of 155 mm, a range of up to 140-150 km can be obtained.

In the future, the project was developed. In June 2019, Nammo and Boeing, represented by Phantom Works, signed an agreement to further jointly continue the development of the new Ramjet 155 projectile. The companies then applied to participate in the new Pentagon program to develop the XM1155 Extended Range Artillery Projectile (ERAP) projectile. Already in July of the same year, they received an official order for design work as part of the competitive stage.


The next two years were spent on completing the necessary research and determining the final shape of the new projectile. In the spring of 2021, the customer evaluated the Nammo / Boeing project and compared it with the proposals of other program participants. As a result, Ramjet 155 was allowed to the next stage. Its goal was to complete the design, as well as the production and testing of experimental projectiles.

Projectile on trials


Recently, development companies reported that for a long time various tests and tests were carried out as part of a new project. Both individual units and the entire projectile on the stand were tested. The total number of such events exceeds 450.

In addition, full-fledged shooting has already begun. The first tests of this kind took place in January 2022 at one of the Norwegian test sites. The second series of test firing was carried out in March. It is curious that such tests, their results and successes were reported to Nammo and Boeing with a long delay - in May.

All the details of the January and March tests were not given. However, it was reported that the experimental projectiles used the ramjet in flight and coped with the tasks. It was also possible to confirm some of the calculated characteristics. In addition, the progress in the development of the engine for the projectile is shown, and this component of the project does not face any difficulties. In this context, the shootings of the beginning of the year were called promising.


Also, tests have shown that the Ramjet 155 product does not have a significant negative effect on the tool used. The resource, survivability and performance of the artillery system do not suffer. This is a separate reason for optimism in terms of the future introduction and use of new projectiles.

The next tests took place at the end of June, although they were reported only in August. This time, firing was carried out at an unnamed increased range. The purpose of the tests was again to test the operation of the ramjet and to develop the design of the projectile as a whole. The interaction of the ammunition with the gun was also clarified. All components of the artillery complex coped with their tasks and confirmed the design characteristics.

June tests are called the most important event both for the Ramjet 155 project and for cannon artillery in general. Nammo and Boeing are confident in the great promise of the ramjet projectile concept, and the firings are said to prove them right. In addition, the management of the development companies did not forget to mention that the Pentagon simply needs a new projectile.

New solutions


The Ramjet 155 is a specially designed artillery projectile with an extended range. It is intended for use with 155-mm artillery systems, both existing with 39-caliber barrels, and with promising 58-caliber ones. At the same time, the projectile will show the best characteristics with a longer barrel.

Boeing-Nammo Ramjet 155 rocket launcher being tested

Demonstration of design and flight characteristics

The projectile from Nammo and Boeing has a caliber of 155 mm and a length of about 1 m. Outwardly, it looks like standard projectiles, but instead of a pointed head part, a frontal air intake is provided. Inside the latter is a spindle-shaped central body, which occupies about half the length of the body. On the side surface of the hull there are rudders that are laid out in flight, and an engine nozzle is provided at the bottom.

Part of the volume of the hull is given over to the supersonic ramjet. Compression of the air in front of the engine is provided by the high airspeed and the configuration of the intake device. The engine runs on solid fuel in the form of a cylindrical block with a longitudinal channel. In the available volume, you can place a charge with a burning time of up to 40-50 s.

The projectile is designed to hit targets with known coordinates. To do this, it is equipped with a satellite navigation system and controls. Correction of the trajectory in flight is carried out aerodynamically, using a set of rudders. The main control equipment is placed inside the central body of the air intake. The warhead of an unknown mass is located in the same building.

The exact characteristics of the Ramjet 155 product have not yet been reported. At the same time, the terms of reference for the ERAP project provide for a range of at least 100 km when using promising long-range guns. Nammo, in turn, talked about the fundamental possibility of creating a 155-mm projectile with a range of up to 150 km.


Shot with an experimental projectile, June 2022

Next stage


As follows from the latest reports, Nammo and Boeing Phantom Works have completed the development and factory testing of a new projectile. The design characteristics have been confirmed, and now the project can move on to the next stage. The finished product Ramjet 155 will be presented to the customer, and he will conduct his own tests.

The Pentagon will have to re-confirm the declared characteristics, as well as determine their compliance with the terms of reference of the program. In addition, the customer will have to compare the Ramjet 155 with other competitive developments and choose the most successful sample. This projectile, if necessary, will undergo a fine-tuning process and will be recommended for adoption.

Judging by the available data, the joint development of Boeing and Nammo has every chance of winning the competitive part of the program and entering service. Whether it will be possible to obtain such results will become known later. However, we can already say that the two companies have managed to implement an interesting idea that previously existed only in the form of technical proposals.

The Ramjet 155 has a distinctive design and compares favorably with conventional rocket-propelled projectiles. Instead of a gas generator or a rocket engine, it carries a "full-sized" ramjet engine with increased thrust and longer operating time. With their help, the projectile gets more acceleration, and with it an increased flight range.


Salvo firing of Ramjet 155 products as imagined by an artist

Despite the specific layout, it was possible to integrate controls, a steering system and a warhead into the projectile. In terms of the size and weight of the warhead, it should lose to traditional ammunition, but guidance tools are able to compensate for this disadvantage.

At the same time, the Ramjet 155 product turned out to be complex and expensive. It is unlikely that its cost will be lower than that of existing adjustable projectiles. However, it should be borne in mind that the high price is associated with special fire capabilities that are simply absent from existing ammunition. Therefore, the financial component of the project is unlikely to be a reason for criticism.

Work continues


The current program to develop new munitions is a key component of the Pentagon's larger plans. At the same time, the development of 155-mm guns for existing and advanced projectiles, as well as self-propelled guns with such weapons, is underway. Some of the main components of the future long-range artillery complex have already been tested and confirmed some of the characteristics.

Apparently, over the next few years, the Pentagon will complete this program, and new self-propelled guns with improved performance will go into service with ground artillery. Due to which projectile the firing range will be increased, it is unclear. According to the latest news, this niche can be occupied by the American-Norwegian Ramjet 155. Of course, if it manages to bypass competitors and confirm compliance with customer requirements.
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  1. kind
    kind 24 August 2022 16: 14
    -8
    Despite the specific layout, it was possible to integrate controls, a steering system and a warhead into the projectile.
    Well, I don’t know ... If modern electronic warfare means are tough, then this is another expensive prodigy.
    1. Zotof
      Zotof 24 August 2022 21: 42
      -9
      The Ramjet 155 has a distinctive design and compares favorably with conventional rocket-propelled projectiles.

      There is no benefit in this expensive and low-power projectile! The design is so-so, for a C grade - the engine case takes up space in the projectile. In Russia, a projectile of a more profitable and advanced lineup has long been offered. But there is little interest from the Sun. There will be more than 20 pluses, I will tell you about the design of our advanced projectile and give a link to the video ...
      It is urgent to resume the production of the unaccepted Krasnopol-M (M2) and, on its basis, make another projectile corrected by Glonass and an active-reactive one. The latest developments are already there. It would be nice to revive the production of the legendary COP "Centimeter"!
      1. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev 24 August 2022 23: 04
        +11
        No benefit? You must be joking? There are systems that allow hitting targets at a distance of more than 100 km even now. These are Tornado-S, Himars, M270, Iskander. But the thing is that when such a projectile appears, EVERY 155-mm battery will have such an opportunity.
        Now let's remember the OODA cycle and network-centric interaction. We also add here the radical superiority of the enemy in terms of reconnaissance capabilities - satellites, RTR aircraft, UAVs.
        Outcome. If, with the limited use of existing means against the Russian grouping in the Northern Military District, we have problems with headquarters, warehouses and bridges, then what will happen with their massive use and also the appearance of new, more long-range and massive shells like this Ramjet?
        This is a completely new type of war and it is necessary to prepare for it seriously.
        1. Zotof
          Zotof 25 August 2022 00: 28
          -9
          Have you read everything? Or just the first line? This design is not entirely successful. The technical solution embodied in this form is not the most advanced. In my commentary, I call for the restoration and development of the production of such shells, but what did you see?
          Network-centric interaction? Did you hear a beautiful word? Maybe you also understand what it is? The OODA cycle? Yes you what? What a beautiful verbiage..Do you even know what these systems are for?. And you are aware that people like you have been developing such systems in Russia since 2000. True, they do not know what it is ... until now. Can you help? Designed and developed and not developed and got confused with OODA loops... And they took it so seriously and didn't help. Totally different - what is it? Or did you show concern?
        2. Vladimir 290
          Vladimir 290 25 August 2022 08: 51
          0
          For Ukraine, you are right, because they have nothing special to shoot at such ranges. And for us, why do we need such a projectile with a firing range of 150 km. - "to bulo". This range is covered by other specialized and more effective means. The troops have certain states and tasks for each unit. Why would an artillery regiment or brigade need to hit targets at a distance of 150 km. - They have completely different tasks and, God forbid, they fulfill them normally. It may still be better to spend money on improving and developing more efficient (for a similar range) missile systems. And such a projectile is certainly an interesting option, of course it can sometimes come in handy, but no more.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 25 August 2022 13: 50
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir 290
            For Ukraine, you are right, because they have nothing special to shoot at such ranges. And for us, why do we need such a projectile with a firing range of 150 km. - "to bulo". This range is covered by other specialized and more effective means. The troops have certain states and tasks for each unit. Why would an artillery regiment or brigade need to hit targets at a distance of 150 km. - They have completely different tasks and, God forbid, they fulfill them normally. It may still be better to spend money on improving and developing more efficient (for a similar range) missile systems. And such a projectile is certainly an interesting option, of course it can sometimes come in handy, but no more.

            This is called feature enhancement.
            When one MLRS launcher can be used as a simple MLRS for firing NUR at 20, 30, as a launcher for firing an adjustable missile at a range of 30 and 70 and 150 km, as a launcher for firing an OTR with a range of 130, 160, 270 km ... Like a launcher for firing hypersonic OTP at a range of 500-700 km.
            And all this with one launcher and one crew.
            And when such a launcher can do everything, then a zoo of Gradov, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Points, Iskanders is not needed.

            The same applies to cannon artillery.
            1. Vladimir 290
              Vladimir 290 25 August 2022 14: 28
              +2
              The issue is highly debatable. Firstly, each system adopted for service is located in different departments and performs different tasks in the interests of military commanders of different levels. Secondly, a specialized system always performs its tasks better than a universal one. In our history, there was such a commander, Tukhachevsky, who advocated the adoption of a universal weapon so that it could fulfill the tasks of artillery and shoot at aircraft and at tanks. The result was the F-22 cannon, which seemed to be able to do all this, but in reality it turned out to be heavy and with much worse characteristics and much more difficult to manufacture than the ZIS-3 that replaced it. Shooting at 100 -150 km is at least a task for the army commander. To do this, he has his own jet and missile brigades (well, or other units, including the reserve of the Supreme High Command), which will do this with greater efficiency (taking into account, among other things, a significant difference in the power of the warhead of the ammunition). And there is no need to distract artillerymen (barreled artillery) for this, they have enough of their own goals. In addition, there is aviation.
            2. Zotof
              Zotof 25 August 2022 14: 34
              0
              The Russian Armed Forces not only do not have such shells in service, although they have been developed, there is no way to provide them with real-time target designation. The General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, headed by Gerasimov, does not intend to use precision munitions in the combat area and UAVs for target designation for them. There is no such concept in the "advanced" army. They have a new obsession with strike UAVs, although there is no concept of application for them either. It seems that in the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces, if not "cave people", then centenary grandfathers with experience in the 2nd World War and ... that's all ... They don't even have a clue about modern warfare. All targets are hit in tactical and operational depth with a delay of hours and days ... To hit a target at a tactical distance, about a hundred shells are fired instead of 1 accurate, and there is still no certainty that the target will be hit from a closed position ... So they hang fighters on toy copters tiny bombs ... If the copter sits almost on the enemy’s head, why doesn’t a military UAV give target indication to an accurate projectile in all tactical depth?
        3. Zotof
          Zotof 25 August 2022 14: 27
          -2
          For ... such:
          In Russia, a projectile of a more profitable and advanced lineup has long been offered. But there is little interest from the Sun.
  2. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 24 August 2022 16: 18
    +1
    the projectile resembles our anti-ship missile P-800 Onyx - apparently a very small Onyx - 40 years later
    1. iouris
      iouris 24 August 2022 17: 17
      +7
      Or vice versa. Russian microcircuits are the largest in the world.
    2. Duncan
      Duncan 25 August 2022 08: 40
      +2
      Well, yes. Only it costs a hundred times cheaper, you can produce a lot of them, and when you hit the target (for example, a warehouse), the result is about the same.
    3. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 25 August 2022 12: 50
      -2
      ".. however, instead of a pointed head, a frontal air intake is provided."
      ******************************************************* ************************** And this, as it seems to me, is his "most vulnerable" place.

      Not the "weakest" in terms of structural strength, but precisely the "most vulnerable", in terms of emerging risks on the enemy's ability to counteract the effective use of this kind of BP ...

      Until I begin to clarify on an open forum what exactly "I mean." Perhaps these are "my empty fantasies" ... Let's wait for the development of events ...
  3. spirit
    spirit 24 August 2022 16: 48
    +8
    With this program, they want to make all modern 155mm Himars guns at minimum wages (Excalibur accuracy with a range greater than GMLRS). That is, in the future, any modern 155 Arta with the "brains" of the same 777 is capable of performing the function of Himars (with a small warhead, of course). This **** is not great. It’s good that so far it’s only in development and such shells definitely won’t appear in the square recourse
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 24 August 2022 16: 57
      +5
      very promising idea
      creation on the basis of these direct-flow rockets - anti-shell air defense system
      by adding weight to the ARGSN, the range can be limited to 40 km under the cm-radar
      this will be a breakthrough in air defense - there are NO anti-missile systems yet
      1. Zotof
        Zotof 24 August 2022 22: 23
        +2
        Everything has long been proposed and forgotten. In Russia, they do not invest in advanced US developments. For 30 years, not a single new accurate projectile has been adopted for service! Only the Soviet ancient, long-obsolete two-block "Krasnopol" and its ancient counterparts. Everything new is forgotten and sold to the Chinese along with the plant, nothing is in service. At the old "Krasnopol" the shelf life is ending and it can only be illuminated from the ground, and they staged 3 window dressing at the training ground with illumination from the UAV, it's still not clear how, and they lie to everyone. Yes, and there are no such UAVs, they are not mass-produced ... Oh, yes, the fucking leadership! There is no less "Eskander" accurate weapon for these sheep ... "The rooster pecked in the ass" they abruptly began to restore the production of the forgotten "Krasnopol-M". Maybe they can handle it, there is silence at the ostentatious forum "Army-2022"? .. And what to do with the killed COP "Centimeter" and the destroyed production. Finally, in 2020, after 15 years of squats, they allegedly adopted a 300 mm MLRS projectile corrected by Glonass. But where is he in NWO? There is no information about the mass use of information, but is it better than the standard Chimers projectile and the range is higher - up to 120 km? With such ... and no need for enemies ...
        1. cmax
          cmax 25 August 2022 01: 00
          -1
          Quote from Zoto
          Everything has long been proposed and forgotten. In Russia, they do not invest in advanced US developments. For 30 years, not a single new accurate projectile has been adopted for service! Only the Soviet ancient, long-obsolete two-block "Krasnopol" and its ancient counterparts. Everything new is forgotten and sold to the Chinese along with the plant, nothing is in service. At the old "Krasnopol" the shelf life is ending and it can only be illuminated from the ground, and they staged 3 window dressing at the training ground with illumination from the UAV, it's still not clear how, and they lie to everyone. Yes, and there are no such UAVs, they are not mass-produced ... Oh, yes, the fucking leadership! There is no less "Eskander" accurate weapon for these sheep ... "The rooster pecked in the ass" they abruptly began to restore the production of the forgotten "Krasnopol-M". Maybe they can handle it, there is silence at the ostentatious forum "Army-2022"? .. And what to do with the killed COP "Centimeter" and the destroyed production. Finally, in 2020, after 15 years of squats, they allegedly adopted a 300 mm MLRS projectile corrected by Glonass. But where is he in NWO? There is no information about the mass use of information, but is it better than the standard Chimers projectile and the range is higher - up to 120 km? With such ... and no need for enemies ...

          So there is no microelectronics, chips. Now they are collected all over the world by the piece. There would be at least something to collect for "Caliber" for production. What kind of new shells are there.
    2. kot423
      kot423 24 August 2022 16: 59
      -4
      Quote: spirit
      155 Arta with "brains" the same 777

      Quote: spirit
      and for independent such shells

      404, three axes were originally given without "brains", because they were afraid (and rightly so) that the technology would remain for Russia ... Banderland is like that, either he sells it himself or loses it.
    3. JonnyT
      JonnyT 24 August 2022 17: 20
      +1
      So they strive for this concept in all types of weapons.
      Even for small arms bullets they want to do maneuvering and individual aiming
    4. hellcat2000
      hellcat2000 25 August 2022 09: 57
      -1
      Quote: spirit
      With this program, they want to make Himars at minimum wages from all modern 155mm guns

      They don't want to, but they already did. They do not have classic MLRS. This role is performed by artillery, the same escaliburs were shot more than 1400 pieces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      Various MLRS they perform the role of OTRK.
      Now they are working on increasing the range of artillery and MLRS by about 2 times, plus returning medium-range missiles.
  4. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 24 August 2022 17: 18
    -1
    At the declared range without GPS correction, the accuracy will be unacceptable.
    It is cheaper to affect electronic warfare than to shoot down missiles, again, while laser systems are in development.
  5. Proctologist
    Proctologist 24 August 2022 17: 33
    +12
    The design itself - with a straight-through and solid fuel - looks very reliable, including due to the simplicity of the design. Simplicity that required archaic research, I suppose.

    Thus, mass production should not be much more expensive than classic shells, at the level of active-reactive ones, with a much better range! Incl. and the price of the notorious "Exalibur" will be comparable, where the GPS correction system will equally add to both shells.

    In general, tangible progress is an increase in range without any compromises. Of course, the weight of the warhead will be less by the weight of the engine, but I repeat - the loss will be comparable to active rockets, and the result will be better.

    Dangerous thing, like everything simplebut the next generation.
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 24 August 2022 23: 58
      0
      The new is the well-forgotten old.
      The Germans were engaged from the 36th, they achieved 200 km of range and speed of 4-5 M in caliber 200 with something.
      I think that in 155 mm the price does not match the efficiency.
  6. Demon_is_ada
    Demon_is_ada 24 August 2022 18: 54
    +1
    For me, so stupid as a concept.
    Significant flaws
    Not enough warheads, while it flies at such a height, everyone will know about it.
    Much more promising than a larger caliber cr with a cassette warhead with homing elements.
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 25 August 2022 00: 01
      +3
      With their speed of 4-5 M, few people will have time to find out
      1. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada 25 August 2022 01: 05
        -1
        The declared range is like 120-150 km, 120 / 1.5 km / s we get ... enough time not only to detect, but also to start moving. Given the small warhead, they are ineffective against moving targets, only for stationary and unprotected ones, such as a temporary warehouse of bq or fuel and lubricants
        hi
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 25 August 2022 12: 21
          +1
          Yes, if you think so, there seems to be time, but, unfortunately, we don’t have such means of detection.
          Yesterday I was at Donuzlav, this is the western Crimea, the air defense radars are operating on ships in standby mode, and they have a very small resource, MTBF.
          This is forced, even small drones do not see the standby air defense radar.
          1. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 26 August 2022 08: 05
            +1
            The drone is a small target at low altitude, which is a really hard target. A projectile at an altitude of 20 km + is a completely different story.
            The radar, as it were, should work 24/7/365 and not on great holidays. Where is the low resource data from? Developer or operator?
            1. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU 11 September 2022 12: 43
              0
              Operator.
              Low, relative to the standby radar, which can work for days, the resource is laid down.
              Own means of detecting air defense systems, of course, are not designed for this.
              Turned on on command, worked, turned off.
        2. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 25 August 2022 13: 39
          0
          Another unpleasant surprise.
          I was driving half a kilometer from the base of the fleet, Novoozernoe, I was catching up with a car with German numbers.
          Stopped to see where he was going. He drove the car into the dacha cooperative, into the yard.
          Then we are surprised, and how drones reach Sevastopol ...
  7. KSVK
    KSVK 24 August 2022 20: 13
    +4
    Quote: Demon_is_ada
    For me, so stupid as a concept.

    And as for me, it's normal. For the price, it should be like an ATGM with homing, but it doubles the range of destruction. Does not require a separate launcher with a trained calculation. Again, the use of a howitzer as a launcher, coupled with a ramjet, will give IMHO a higher speed than when using a solid propellant rocket engine. With equal mass b / h, of course.
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 25 August 2022 01: 10
      -2
      Intelligence otkel? And is the level of access to them at the linear division sufficient? And the headquarters that has intelligence has more effective means in submission.
      Again the idea of ​​waging colonial wars slips through.
  8. bk0010
    bk0010 24 August 2022 20: 51
    +1
    What a wild desire, without fail to shoot a rocket from a cannon? Why not just attach an accelerator? And guns are not needed and it will come out cheaper.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 August 2022 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: bk0010
      What a wild desire, without fail to shoot a rocket from a cannon? Why not just attach an accelerator? And guns are not needed and it will come out cheaper.

      The accelerator is more expensive. Since the consumable part, and the gun is reusable.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 25 August 2022 20: 28
        +2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        The accelerator is more expensive.
        A few grams of overload-resistant electronics and a few hundred grams of overload-resistant mechanics are much more expensive than a few kilos of propellant powder plus standard military electronics and mechanics.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 25 August 2022 20: 36
          -3
          Quote: bk0010
          Quote: BlackMokona
          The accelerator is more expensive.
          A few grams of overload-resistant electronics and a few hundred grams of overload-resistant mechanics are much more expensive than a few kilos of propellant powder plus standard military electronics and mechanics.

          Standard military electronics and mechanics, have a high resistance to overload.
    2. Proctologist
      Proctologist 24 August 2022 21: 27
      +1
      What a wild desire, without fail to shoot a rocket from a cannon?


      Damn physics - if you want to increase the weight of the PN (well, if you count the warhead useful load), increase the requirements for the launcher! A rocket from the barrel (and the longer the barrel, the better!), Will fly faster and farther than from the shoulder. Or it will be smaller and lighter, but it will fly there too.
      1. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada 25 August 2022 01: 15
        +1
        How much does a self-propelled gun weigh? How about a howitzer with a tractor? belay
        This is me about the requirements for the launcher ...
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 25 August 2022 20: 30
        0
        Quote: Proctologist
        A rocket from the barrel (and the longer the barrel, the better!), Will fly faster and farther than from the shoulder.
        For what? It seems that for rockets everything is determined by the speed of the outflow of gases and their mass per unit of time.
  9. cmax
    cmax 25 August 2022 01: 07
    +1
    Oops, and here we have a span. You can’t cut a lot on this, it’s not a nuclear Poseidon, and there’s a lot of trouble. Ano need? We will close everything with electronic warfare, or maybe not. Judging by the success of the Chimers, we will not close. The time has come to collect the stones, but the sovereign's people have no stones, only a new dress uniform, unfortunately. That's how we live. Maybe all the same it will come that we need to think more about the Motherland. I hope it will come.
    1. Sergei_tactics
      Sergei_tactics 25 August 2022 08: 46
      +2
      All the thugs will surely find something to cry over laughing that is, there are successes of the Hymars, but there are no successes of 9m544? And we don’t have other guided weapons?
      1. cmax
        cmax 25 August 2022 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        All the thugs will surely find something to cry over laughing that is, there are successes of the Hymars, but there are no successes of 9m544? And we don’t have other guided weapons?

        Man (this is just a turn of speech, not familiarity), when ours reach Lviv and Transnistria, then I will shout Hurray and throw up our caps together. In the meantime, our troops are where they are, there is nothing special to rejoice at. Russia has always been rich not only in natural resources, but also in fools and bad roads. Fools do not understand that in order to have good weapons, you need good industry, machine tool building, the electronics industry, and an element base. Pumping oil and gas abroad is not yet an industry. The path of a country in which a regional aircraft has been made to replace the AN-2 for more than 20 years and so far no one can say when its production will be launched raises questions. Of course you don't have any questions. The new dress uniform somehow did not frighten the adversary, the Sunbakers explain more intelligibly. Our guys at the front would be helped by the presence of modern weapons of the 21st century, and not weapons of the 80s, and your sycophantic posts for the leadership.
        1. Sergei_tactics
          Sergei_tactics 25 August 2022 10: 21
          0
          Where is it freed without much loss on their part about a quarter of the territory of Ukraine? And this despite the fact that the main armed forces are not even involved. So there is no need to sob here like a muslin young lady. This could be done in 1988 after the stupid war in Afghanistan, which claimed 15 thousand for no reason., In 1996, after the Khasavyurt agreements, which crossed out the death of 5 thousand. fighters. There are difficulties in Ukraine, but this is not a reason for you to whine
          1. cmax
            cmax 25 August 2022 11: 52
            0
            Quote: Sergey_tactics
            Where is it freed without much loss on their part about a quarter of the territory of Ukraine? And this despite the fact that the main armed forces are not even involved. So there is no need to sob here like a muslin young lady. This could be done in 1988 after the stupid war in Afghanistan, which claimed 15 thousand for no reason., In 1996, after the Khasavyurt agreements, which crossed out the death of 5 thousand. fighters. There are difficulties in Ukraine, but this is not a reason for you to whine

            Kisey young lady, whining is all you can unsubscribe. Tell me when the new AN-2 will be put into production by Mr. Manturov, you are our optimist (Khrenov). I no longer ask about new guided high-tech projectiles.
            1. Sergei_tactics
              Sergei_tactics 25 August 2022 12: 40
              +1
              Ahaha, send the main arguments laughing I don’t quite understand how the situation on the fronts of Ukraine depends on the launch of the cargo-passenger Baikal, but the developer brought it to the test. What is whining about? Regarding the sob about "new high-tech shells" - why don't you like the old ones? Range? Well, there is already M2. Lack of GLONASS guidance? M-D on the way. Surely now all the old 3OF39s will be completed and the new state defense order will already have improved ammunition. So there is no need to smear snot on the comments here
          2. no better place for
            no better place for 25 August 2022 19: 12
            -2
            During the Afghan, they also did not know about the senselessness and losses. Here, too, will be known later. In the meantime, the stage when they still thought that they were fulfilling international duty and there were almost no losses
  10. Duncan
    Duncan 25 August 2022 09: 33
    -1
    This is nonsense.
    The warhead is small, for a weakly protected target.
    GPS accuracy in the presence of electronic warfare is not enough to get into armored vehicles.
    Sub-caliber Vulcanos should have at least greater penetration.
    1. Expert2017
      Expert2017 25 August 2022 12: 56
      +2
      Where is your electronic warfare in Kherson? They hammer on the bridge for sure. So do not need these fairy tales about electronic warfare. This is not a DJI drone. Obviously, there are ways to protect, since there are several dozen holes in the bridge.
      1. Duncan
        Duncan 25 August 2022 15: 51
        -1
        Tank and bridge the same size? Funny.
        The bridge can only be scratched with such a projectile ..
        1. Expert2017
          Expert2017 26 August 2022 03: 56
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          I didn't understand what you mean. Some kind of stream of consciousness. It was proved in black and white that they hit the bridge properly. EW your not working. And they hit for sure. In the same place.
          1. Duncan
            Duncan 26 August 2022 08: 49
            +2
            Don't play the fool or a humanist at all? Himars (circular probable deviation - 7 meters) fall into the bridge, into buildings (these are large targets plotted on the map). Even with their 90kg warhead, the bridge is not destroyed. And this projectile will only scratch the bridge, and it won’t get into the tank by gps, so it’s of little use. For laser illumination, he needs a drone, such as a bayraktar, but that one has better weapons.
            EW reduces the accuracy of gps receivers, plus there is little signal accumulation time, since the projectile flies very quickly.
            1. Demon_is_ada
              Demon_is_ada 26 August 2022 14: 30
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              Apparently emotional humanitarians are all-weakers - minusers laughing
              Corrected as best I could, but most of them ...
            2. Expert2017
              Expert2017 29 August 2022 04: 44
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              Are you friends with your head? If Himars flies 5 meters from the tank, then nothing will remain of the tank.
              1. Duncan
                Duncan 29 August 2022 13: 34
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                The tank will go further, at least blow it up a meter away. Light armored vehicles MRAP 14 kg tnt withstand under the wheel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar_(MRAP)#cite_ref-ghazni_11-0
                In the M31 warhead 23 kg cc.
  11. gvozdan
    gvozdan 25 August 2022 11: 38
    +2
    What is the point of making art. missile projectile if there are already just missiles, installations for launching which are many times simpler, cheaper and faster? Also, the caliber of the rocket is unlimited and the length and mass
  12. stankow
    stankow 26 August 2022 00: 28
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    straight line solid fuel ?!? We are being trolled!
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 26 August 2022 08: 13
      +2
      They don't troll. There have been developments in progress for a long time. The checker is essentially a gas generator, but it burns like fuel already gas.
      1. stankow
        stankow 26 August 2022 09: 33
        +1
        Thought that too.
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 26 August 2022 14: 23
          +1
          By the way, more stable combustion, unlike liquid fuel ramjet. Thermites are introduced into the mixture, they are also a source of energy for the sublimation of the gas-generating substance and an igniter. Stupid and reliable - ingenious laughing
          By the way, using air defense systems on missiles is a topic ...