"Constellation-2015": long-awaited and controversial

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This term, “network-centric”, no matter what it is used with, most likely associates with foreign very expensive projects. Toys for overseas guys who don’t have nowhere to put their money, but when you can cut something new (especially if the old one has already been sawn), then why not?

However, as strange as it may sound, they began to think and work on a new method of command and control back in the Soviet Union, under such leaders of the military department as Marshals of the Soviet Union Sergei Leonidovich Sokolov and Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov.



Under these ministers, the concept of a “network-centric type system” was theoretically created in the USSR, calculated in terms of cost and timing. Moreover, the concept has been quantified in terms of equipment and even developed training programs for military academies to train senior officers in new methods of warfare.

Naturally, everything collapsed in 1992. But it is worth noting that at that time in NATO, among our potential ones, there was still no talk of such breakthrough projects at all. They all started much later, but the implementation is much more successful. Moreover, with the implementation of their methods of warfare.

But yes, NATO soldiers had a place to test new techniques and concepts. In our country, after Afghanistan, there was some calm, right up to the Chechen wars. And then it became clear that the former system of command and control, which originated from the First World War, was completely outdated and had to be changed.

And after the end of the Second Chechen, the task was set. But since nothing new had to be invented conceptually, everything looked pretty simple. Use Soviet developments with the Russian technical base. The Sozvezdie concern took over the work in 2001.

In 2010 the work was completed.


The output was the ESU TZ product (“Sozvezdie-M”), a unified tactical level control system, which was intended for the integrated command and control of troops using navigation systems, as well as satellite and unmanned surveillance equipment. Separate elements of the system began to arrive for testing in the troops in 2007.

The idea was striking in scale: each piece of equipment, from the KShM of the brigade commander to the armored personnel carrier of the commander of a motorized rifle division, is equipped with an on-board computer that allows you to receive and give combat orders, determine the coordinates of your location and display an electronic map with a combat situation on the laptop screen.


The control system was supposed to interconnect ALL units of the brigade equipped with it (it was the brigade sets that were to be implemented). Since it was supposed to bind heterogeneous equipment in large quantities, the control program turned out to be simply gigantic: more than 50 lines of code, which is much larger than Microsoft Windows.

By the way, it is worth noting that similar work in the United States has come to a standstill. Future Combat Systems were being developed, an even more global system involving the rearmament of the US Army. The project pulled on 300 billion dollars, but after spending 18 billion, President Obama closed it in 2009. They didn't pull.

In some incomprehensible way, ours dragged the work to the end and in December 2018 a state contract was signed for the supply of products for ESU TZ. The contract is concluded until 2027. According to the contract, the Sozvezdie concern will have to supply 40 brigade sets of ESU TK to the troops and ensure their functioning. The kits will include 11 subsystems that control electronic warfare systems, artillery, air defense, engineering and logistics, as well as a single information network that integrates various types of communications, including radio relay, tropospheric and digital.


So what? And while silence. No, not that complete, but they do not indulge in information at all.

And I was prompted to start a conversation by Alexander Sergeevich Khodakovsky, who appeared on Solovyov's TV, a very peculiar and remarkable personality. Old-timers of VO should remember several of his rather vivid performances in front of our audience on our video channel (unfortunately destroyed by YouTube). Yes, the Vostok commander is grouchy and it may seem that he is one of the “eternally dissatisfied”, but no one will say that Khodakovsky suffers from a lack of intelligence and courage.

And on August 7, I saw him at Solovyov's. There are now often interesting people appear. So I watch from time to time.

And what did I hear?

And I heard a lot of criticism towards the Russian command, which is really unable to organize artillery and aviation support for the actions of the infantry and spending HOURS on all sorts of agreements.

As a result, the infantry, left without support, leaves the occupied lines and retreats, losing people. I understand Alexander Sergeevich, we are talking about fighters who have more than one year of war behind them.

Alas, my personal conversations with participants in the events only confirm what critics from the other side say: the Russian army in terms of control is still at the level of the Soviet model of 1945. Only the TA army was less vulnerable. There was no proper electronic warfare, there were no Chinese radio stations and cell phones, through which so much information leaks today, and nowhere to go.

Today it is quite a common thing in the troops, I myself have repeatedly witnessed: “Baofengi” and “Motorola” are our everything. With all the ensuing consequences.

So how can the ESU TK system be useful in the army, where there is still a communication problem at the squad-platoon-company level?

In general, it can be useful by its very presence in the troops. There is information that ACS TZ
(automated tactical control system) "Constellation-2015", modified by "Constellation-M", began a combat test in parts. Four brigades of the Russian army are already fully equipped with this system and are taking part in the SVO.

In general, the path that "Constellation-M" went through to "Constellation-2015" was thorny and difficult. There is no doubt that this is a very complex system that requires a special approach. And - importantly - training of personnel. It's very difficult. One of our authors and experts witnessed a show put on by a general who was training officers to use this system in test mode.

“We stood like a herd, watched him rushing about, giving instructions, poking at the keyboard and sniffing with the mouse. And on the screens and - horror - on the tablets, the marks of the targets that could be worked on were lit up. We stood, completely unaware of how it all works, and “Ku!” came to mind. and "Yyy!" from the famous movie.

Sozvezdie-M did not pass tests three times, the system was sent for revision three times, until, finally, it worked out fully at the Kavkaz-2016 maneuvers. The first pancake didn’t exactly come out lumpy, but the results were not encouraging: the “red” side was frankly confused in the data, and the “blue” ones were not at a loss and practically paralyzed a fair part of the enemy units included in the tactical network with their electronic warfare equipment.

But everyone understood that this was solely due to insufficient training of personnel and an unfinished system. And finally, slowly, but the troops began to receive sets of this system, which eventually received the name ESU TZ "Constellation-2015".

The result is a really advanced system, consisting of 11 subsystems capable of exchanging information about the tactical situation, transmitting orders and interacting with other branches of the military in the form of target designation.


The fact that the system is automated is very good. The fact that representatives of different branches of the military are in a single information space is simply luxurious, it’s worth reminding those who have forgotten that we have our own radio frequencies for each branch of the military, which does not create a comfortable space for transmitting information.

In general, such a complex on board makes a tank or infantry fighting vehicle / armored personnel carrier an element of a network structure, where data from UAVs, air reconnaissance, ground reconnaissance, electronic warfare are integrated, data from radar detection and guidance systems, counter-battery systems, target designation.

It looks great on paper, in demo mode too. On the battlefield - here there are doubts.

But first, a few words about how Constellation works without highly professional vocabulary.

It's simple: all commanders in the brigade are included in a single information network (or in the battlefield environment), from the commanders of squads / combat vehicles /tanks to brigade command. Intelligence, headquarters, MTO points and so on. Priority, of course, is determined in accordance with the position held. The brigade commander can get information from anyone, at any level.

There is a moment that is useful in combat conditions: with the simultaneous incapacitation of the entire brigade headquarters, the neighbors in the system can take over the leadership of the units left without command.

Each combat vehicle, unit, reconnaissance and destruction means transmits data on identified targets and other important information to the general field. This is seen by all other participants in the operation who have access to the ESU TK "Constellation", especially the higher commanders. If the lead watch is ambushed while an armored column is moving, everyone will be immediately notified of the problem in real time.

Based on the general information picture, the commander of a brigade (regiment, battalion) will be able to make a decision on actions very quickly.

In a normal battle, such a system is also very, very useful, because it will be able to “suggest” that it is better to strike with your own forces when the enemy forces suddenly appear, transferring part to the breakthrough point, or coordinate with neighbors who can strike at the specified coordinates.

They say that the use of "Constellation" in the "platoon-brigade" chain speeds up control processes by 4-5 times precisely due to the fact that the system operates automatically. Somewhere in a secluded place there are servers on which the information and analytical field of the program is deployed, and the troops equipped with software and hardware systems (translation - a walkie-talkie and a tactical tablet) receive the amount of information they need through data processing and distribution centers. And those whose duties include the supply of information to the system, those, respectively, bring it there.

A single organism - so many speak of the "Constellation". And this single organism must communicate through radio stations of several types and voice, and for data transmission, of course, via secure channels. And here the skeptic begins, because until now, with radio stations in our troops, it is very so-so. If we discard the "Baofengi" and "Motorola", then it's really bad.

And there are a few questions about how all this will work. An information field will only be such if an exchange is provided between all subscribers included in it.

Let's analyze the simplest situation. The column with ammunition is moving in the rear. The column is attacked by the enemy DRG, as happened many times during the NWO, especially in its first part.

Scenario one: the column commander presses the "panic button" on the tablet, an alarm signal and a beacon light up at the brigade headquarters, which shows on the tactical map where the events are taking place. The radio operators of the column yell on the air information about the number and equipment of the enemy. BMPs with rapid reaction teams start roaring from the hangars, the duty link of helicopters takes off from the site (although it should hang over the column anyway, but anything can happen) and so on. BMP drivers imagine where to rush, and helicopter pilots - where to fly and who to beat from above.

Perfect, right?

What is needed for this? Smallness: coverage of the entire area of ​​responsibility of the brigade with the Internet. It doesn't matter what kind of Internet it will be, satellite or WiMAX, but without it, the whole idea with Constellation will cost nothing.

Scenario two: the situation will look the same as it has for the last 70 years: the radio operator will yell into the radio, trying to convey to the headquarters where everything is happening at least approximately, and the detachments sent to help, as always, will be able to find the burnt trucks.

This is where the weakest point of ESU TK will be. Internet. Like radio communication today, only worse, because it will be necessary to cover a fairly decent area. The way out is repeaters based on radio relay stations of the Granit or Andromeda type, or MP-1IM Mednogorets based on an armored personnel carrier, as a more passable option.

"Constellation-2015": long-awaited and controversial

Considering that the network must operate constantly, the stations will work constantly and there is a wide field for counteraction. A station that is constantly working, included in a common network, is an object for attacks. As shown by the exercises in which Sozvezdie-M was used, individual elements are quite normally disabled by electronic warfare systems.

The second unpleasant moment is anti-radar missiles, which can be launched from a variety of carriers.

The military Internet system will require special attention and protection, this is a fact.

The second option is satellite internet. But for this, we must have a really strong constellation of satellites capable of providing brigades with the Internet at any time of the day and in any place.

It is difficult to say which is easier to provide.

No, of course, with the dismissal of Rogozin, the hope dawned that we would still have a complete satellite constellation. And Roskosmos will turn into a reliable assistant to the army. But hope is such a thing...

But imagine yourself in the place of a commander who has a tactical tablet in his hands, with which you can solve all problems, notify headquarters, call for help at a specific point in space - and all this is useless, because there is no connection to the server. And all the hope is for the quickness of the radio operator and the efficiency of the headquarters, to which the radio operator will reach.

In general, it is no different from the moments of the Second World War, to be honest.

Moving on.

It is worth imagining how many tablets will be needed for the brigade? Respectively. In any case, people will be needed who will repair and “pump out” these tablets after contract sergeants. I have nothing against those great guys who are going to the contract today. But I am well aware of how often they are "successful" in terms of computer training.

Let's simulate the situation again. Fight in the village, which is now not just a lot on the territory of Ukraine. Zapoloshnaya shooting from all sides, throws, rolls, withdrawals, jerks. Grenades, machine-gun bursts, mines ... Is it up to the tablet? And how many tablets will be destroyed, trampled on and so on? Or not to take him into battle?

It's not easy with the infantry squad. It's easier with a tank. Our expert Alexei Kuznetsov (who is AlexTV) believes that the tank commander will be able to cope with the appearance of another component of the tank battle.

In general, I would like to make a small announcement of an article specifically about the work of a tank commander, which Alexei will publish in the very near future. And while reading, everyone will be able to draw a conclusion for themselves about how real all this is.

In general, everything is real. Tablets in tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, anti-aircraft crews, anti-tankers ... The people who will serve the servers and tablets are a separate headache. These people are not yet in the army, they will have to appear there.

Why so minor? Because it is enough to look at the cost of domestic IT specialists to understand how difficult this task is, both quantitatively and financially. And the fact that each team should have a decent number of specialists capable of coping with any problem in the shortest possible time. The task is not an easy one, given that there will be about 1500 tablets in a motorized rifle brigade. Which are expected to fail, be corrupted by users, and stuff like that.

Plus, training in the proper operation of these devices for those who will work on them.

And an important part of the work is equipment equipment. Yes, almost all samples of modern equipment for the ground forces have such software and hardware kits. "Kurgans", "Boomerangs", "Typhoons", "Coalition-SV", "Armata", "Terminators", in general - everything that is not yet in the troops. On them, similar devices (like the "Aqueduct") are provided at the manufacturing stage. This is a plus.


The old equipment in equipped brigades receives "Constellation" in the process of modernization. First of all, the T-90M tanks, the Msta-SM2 self-propelled guns, the Smerch MLRS, and all air defense systems are being equipped.

Big job.

Today, many ordinary people are very loudly talking about the fact that the pace of the NWO needs to be accelerated. Moreover, at least 3-5 times. But for this it is necessary not to increase the number of troops and equipment (as was done in the First and Second World Wars), but the efficiency of using the troops already at the disposal of the command of the Northern Military District.


And here the "Constellation" will be very useful. It is precisely so that the soldiers of the same Khodakovsky do not leave, swearing, from their positions, because the aircraft remained on the ground, and the MLRS were hollowed out by some other targets. Storming a fortified area with light mortars and machine guns, followed by repulsing enemy attacks supported by armored vehicles - this was permissible 80 years ago, in the Great Patriotic War, but today it looks simply unacceptable.

What's in the news From time to time, the R-149MA1 KShM with equipment from the Constellation and the R-142NMR radio station on the KaMAZ chassis appear from military correspondents - this is very encouraging.



The creation and launch of the Constellation, with a clear organization of all moments and overcoming all difficulties, can really bring the Russian army to the forefront among other armies in the world. But for this, it is really necessary to do a lot of work to introduce the Constellation into the troops and create an orbital group capable of ensuring the operation of the system.
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  1. +1
    16 August 2022 05: 28
    It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines... Actual, +
    1. +7
      16 August 2022 08: 59
      When the places of the terms are changed, the sum does not change. We replaced Ragozin and everything will be the same (less chatter). Do not shuffle the deck, the cards are the same (old, rumpled, torn and greasy).
      1. +4
        17 August 2022 11: 48
        something else is interesting .. moreover, Rogozin is with Skomorokhov, if another department, and not Roskosmos, is engaged in military communications satellites and military satellite Internet for a second, do you want more communications satellites? place an order and Rogozin or his substitute will launch missiles with satellites on board
    2. 0
      8 November 2022 16: 59
      An army that cannot communicate is not trustworthy. And the supply of encrypted radios is already the minimum expectation for a modern army. For some mysterious reason, there was no effective control over the program, which led to shortages.

      The question then arises, why would anyone involved in this Constellation system believe that they could successfully complete the assigned tasks?

      Did they have much more competent military signalmen? And the remnants were instructed to organize a radio?

      Or did no one believe in the real implementation of this system?
  2. 0
    16 August 2022 06: 52
    It is no secret that artillery and UAVs play a significant role in the current military operation. Hence the question: will UAVs be able to give target designations to artillery (including MLRS) in automatic mode?
    1. -6
      16 August 2022 06: 54
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      question: will UAVs be able to give target designations to artillery (including MLRS) in automatic mode?

      Good question, that's right on a sucker technical. Yes
    2. +1
      17 August 2022 11: 51
      UAVs do not do this, UAV operators do this, who give out the coordinates of targets and their type, and then the headquarters decides if the UAV is tied to a specific unit, like artillery, and there is a clear understanding that there are no friendly people in this area, then the attack can be delivered quickly. ..In this case, we have no information about the work of headquarters from the word in general, except for negative ones, because positive cases are perceived as a normal phenomenon .. in general, the story is from the category "the enemy shoots more accurately and better, but ours are oblique"
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 12: 55
        UAVs do not do this, UAV operators who give out the coordinates of targets and their type are engaged

        Manual input of information is the last century. Information from the UAV (target coordinates, at the first stage recognition can be performed by the operator, later on by AI) should be automatically transmitted to the information system and appear on all tablets connected to the system, the command should be able to distribute artillery to the targets, which will immediately open fire. Then you can get a reaction time of less than one minute.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 17: 00
          to transmit what information then?) Do you have AI in every UAV?) Not to mention the fact that a reaction time of one minute can only be provided under very laboratory conditions .. Not to mention the fact that we want to be cheap, was very small and light at the level of Mavik, and so that it could immediately give out and highlight the coordinates, without even thinking why such functions are performed by UAVs of the Orlan-30 level and not lower
  3. +1
    16 August 2022 08: 05
    it is difficult to discuss what you have not tried yourself, these things are not speculative.
    but, something a lot of articles appeared on this topic and about "Tablet-M-IR" just two articles came out, here.
    Is this all a response to criticism from the president of Rostec's work?
    For a long time, both Roskosmos and Rostec should have been seriously bent, otherwise that story with the purchase of walkie-talkies / communications of the Ministry of Defense for the army has not yet ended in court: they saw everything that we see and what we cannot see.
  4. +3
    16 August 2022 08: 15
    FCS is not only an analogue of ESU TK, it is also a lot of other programs. And, despite the closure of the FCS, systems such as C4ISR in the West are very familiar.
    According to Solovyov, tell me, since you look: he still claims that it is enough for Russia to raise an eyebrow for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to run away?
  5. +10
    16 August 2022 08: 59
    I want to gnaw and tear with my teeth from anger all those who all these years have mastered budgets, sawed funds and accrued bonuses and salaries with a large number of zeros. Those who walked with an important air on forums and exhibitions, puffing out their cheeks, side by side with responsible persons from the Moscow Region and the government, rubbing them how everything is fine with us. Gnawing and tearing for those guys who stayed forever in the fields and cities of the east of Donbass, who didn’t have enough of a walkie-talkie, in essence, who didn’t owe artillery support due to bureaucratic red tape and for many other reasons. But most of all, it angers that knowing all these problems, no one will lift a finger from those who are obliged to do this so that the problem is solved. In the courtyard of the second decade of the 21st century
    1. +1
      16 August 2022 12: 37
      In reality, you need to hit in the face and put all those who were engaged in purchases for the Aromi - there is still no KAZ in the troops, as well as additional armoring of dynamic protection screens for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles because of this, hundreds of pieces of equipment have been lost in Ukraine and the same number of crews irretrievably.
  6. +4
    16 August 2022 10: 48
    At the end of the 80s, the Redut and Manevr automated control systems were tested at the GSVG. Even then, topographical reference systems were installed on the machines, primitive according to our computer concepts, a system of classified communications was organized. Information was transmitted via radio communication channels, while the radio stations of other subscribers, available at that moment, became the repeater. That is, when transmitting the word "mother", all four letters could be transmitted along different paths, and at the point of reception they were again assembled into a whole word.
    Our development has stopped, and among the Americans it has acquired a second wind on a new technological basis.
    What came out of "Constellation" is still difficult to say, judging by the article is very complicated. The "maneuver" system was brilliant for its time.
    Let me remind you of the engineering definition: difficult to do - easy, easy to do - difficult.
    1. +3
      16 August 2022 11: 12
      Yes, "Maneuver" was a cool system. Despite Belov's requirements to use the radio stations that existed at that time, which were not intended for data transmission, the correct strategic direction of development was chosen - packet-switched networks, not channels. With dynamic routing, incl. in radio networks. It is a pity that no one then thought of using the TCP / IP protocols. Apparently, they decided that this was a bourgeois brainchild, inapplicable in the Soviet army, and began to come up with their own protocols. But it didn't work out...
    2. -1
      17 August 2022 14: 05
      so it is, but with this method of transmission it is quite easy to replace packets, then instead of "mother" "dad" can come, or even the devil knows what.
      1. 0
        18 August 2022 12: 58
        with this method of transmission, it is quite easy to replace packets, then instead of "mother" "dad" can come

        information (packets) was encrypted online with guaranteed durability. Moreover, the network was able to withstand the compromise (capture by the enemy) of the classified communications equipment. That is, having captured equipment or documents, the enemy could not decipher the information.
  7. +2
    16 August 2022 11: 21
    Communications in the army, air force and navy must be completely redone, from scratch, ensuring the interaction and relaying of all forces. So that a ship from the Atlantic could, through an Air Force aircraft (namely, the Air Force, not the Navy), transmit a signal about the readiness of missiles to the SSOshnik, who will illuminate an object in Europe. The task is colossal, so you may have to keep the old and new connections in parallel.
    On the good side, there are interesting options (https://www.ixbt.com/news/2022/08/15/v-rossii-prodemonstrirovali-perspektivnuju-radiosvjaz.html) on the basis of which you can organize a military Internet and a new type of communication. Details: https://habr.com/ru/post/555032/
  8. +3
    16 August 2022 12: 17
    In fact, the problem of organizing and maintaining a network has long been solved in your mobile phone. Moreover, you can install a program on it and it will display for you all the data that is mentioned here. There are shockproof and non-drown versions of mobile phones, and all users successfully manage their phone, regardless of the level of education and age. That is, the problem of training and application is far-fetched, all technical solutions are already available.
    The question of the stability of mobile communications to interference and wiretapping. But even here there are all solutions - broadband pseudo-noise and encryption.
    That is, everything that the author described is organizational problems, not technical ones. That is, the problem is not with technology, but with gouging.
    1. -1
      17 August 2022 14: 10
      I agree with you!
    2. 0
      17 August 2022 21: 40
      Quote: Conjurer
      In fact, the problem of organizing and maintaining a network has long been solved in your mobile phone.
      Will not work: the network of base stations is fixed and connected by cables. Its main task is to ensure the work of millions of subscribers on the air. The military does not have millions of subscribers, but there is a constantly changing front line and all sorts of subscribers "out of the access zone" - the Air Force, the Navy, special forces, etc. When using the military analogue of the core network, communication with the ship or aircraft will only be via satellite.
      1. -2
        18 August 2022 10: 15
        base station network is fixed and connected by cables

        Because it's cheaper that way. But neither the exchange protocols nor the routing equipment require this. You can implement both base stations and repeaters on any mobile carriers (as it is now on satellites, for example), providing them with a high-speed communication channel with each other, and all this will work in exactly the same way. Just more expensive.
    3. 0
      18 September 2022 21: 13
      You are absolutely right! Such broadband radio links were implemented in the Stroy-P complex with the Pchela RPV at the turn of the 90s. But the chief designer suddenly died, the institute was dispersed. Everything that is discussed here was chewed up by the institutes of the USSR Ministry of Defense and Soviet industry in top-secret documents of that time. And what happened next, everyone knows, top-secret documents are no longer needed.
    4. 0
      17 October 2022 04: 03
      we don’t have a CPU for mobile phones, Baikal is trying to do something with ARM, but you know how its wings were clipped + its software needs to be closed, not unix
  9. +1
    16 August 2022 12: 29
    And a good production of cheap rugged tablets. For the price of a Kalashnikov assault rifle. with the same reliability. And this is not expected. From the word "generally". Not even in dreams.
  10. +1
    16 August 2022 14: 02
    Since it was supposed to connect heterogeneous equipment in large quantities, the control program turned out to be simply gigantic: more than 50 lines of code, which is much larger than Microsoft Windows.


    When the pay is below the market and the turnover is high, then you can get 200 million lines of source code with a huge legacy, although they say the situation with payment has improved over the past 3-4 years.
  11. +1
    16 August 2022 16: 37
    This thing is needed.
    Problems with repeaters must be solved using all options:
    - excessive number of small ground automatic signal transmission stations;
    - UAV stations;
    - aircraft stations.
  12. 0
    16 August 2022 18: 32
    I take it nothing is done yet? Well, it can't be any other way.
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 12: 17
      I will reveal a terrible secret - not a single army is ready for war, you can read what kind of bedlam was going on in the US army during the invasion of Iraq, for the first time, for the second time.
  13. 0
    16 August 2022 18: 55
    Quote from Zoto
    The concept of modern combat in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia does not exist

    Can you provide some documentary evidence for what you say?
  14. 0
    16 August 2022 18: 56
    Quote from Zoto
    In a modern war there should not be people on the front line and there should not be a front line!

    Are you a theoretician from the couch or do you have some scientific degree?
  15. 0
    16 August 2022 20: 15
    We worked with one office that produced tablets for the army. Or rather, tried to release it. As a result, she was declared bankrupt, business was opened ... And there is no more office.
  16. 0
    16 August 2022 23: 21
    Commentators and the author: have you really worked with this system? KpoPachki poked? No. And all your arguments are bullshit, sorry. There is room for development. The overall idea is good, the execution sucks. It is too long and difficult to enter the necessary data and send, and this is in peaceful conditions. All encryption, etc. already implemented there. And sending "sms" and chatting over the wire and a lot of radios of different ranges. And determine the location through a gyroscope or satellites.
  17. +1
    17 August 2022 00: 29
    they began to think and work on a new methodology for command and control in the Soviet Union, under such leaders of the military department as marshals of the Soviet Union Sergei Leonidovich Sokolov and Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov.


    “The ideas of the Americans are based on the ideas of Marshal Ogarkov, once the head of the USSR General Staff. His proposals remained not only on paper. -1981" a large-scale automated control system was tested.
    Ogarkov's doctrine emphasized non-nuclear precision weapons and increased mobility through rapid data exchange. The new system was supposed to be based on a set of technical means for transmitting and classifying data, which made it possible to exchange information between objects thousands of kilometers away.
    Unfortunately, the introduction of the troops went with great difficulty. Many generals accepted sophisticated automated control systems without much enthusiasm. After the collapse of the USSR, work in this direction completely stopped. But across the ocean, Ogarkov's ideas came to court. At the same time, the Americans directly admitted that they had borrowed the concept from the Soviet military leader.
    1. 0
      17 August 2022 01: 58
      Yes, and this project was called "Ariadna", at the end of the 70s the Central Committee began to ban it very fiercely, while part of the "secret" developments on this project surfaced as a leak of information on the "trigon" case, but everything was quickly hushed up, and in the 80s finally screwed up.
  18. -1
    17 August 2022 00: 34
    but no one will say that Khodakovsky suffers from a lack of intelligence and courage

    well why ... :)
    Strelkov does not favor him at all ... :)
    (to put it mildly)
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  20. 0
    17 August 2022 00: 59
    in the meantime, the guys have this ...

    1. -3
      18 September 2022 17: 15
      What is this, a Dutch surveying tablet? The video is already a similar trick with re-glued labels.
  21. +2
    17 August 2022 08: 59
    I am not a military man, but I understand something in control systems and have personally experienced the introduction of many. I think the military will have everything the same as in civilian life, namely:
    1 this is all done for show;
    2 instead of solving the specific problems of the performers, these systems add to them hemorrhoids in the form of wasting time on their maintenance
    3 everyone begins to sabotage the introduced control systems and, as a result, simply find loopholes to get away from them so that they do not interfere
    4 when all these things are being introduced, everyone forgets the most important thing, and many do not know - the most important thing is the organization of the business process, and its design is already secondary. for example, the main thing is to determine the path of passing documents, but how it will be noted does not matter, at least write it down in a notebook, even mark it on a computer. so when I hear that the main thing is the technical part, I understand that, just like in business, we are talking about cutting the dough. the technical part is very secondary, the problem is that many computer games have fooled their heads and they think that this is the whole point, so that how to select and direct units with the mouse in the game.
    what improvements would I suggest for the implementation of the system so that it is viable:
    1 remove the fuck all the tablets in battle, no one will deal with them, maximum sound communication, there and there I see this and that, that's all
    2 to introduce a separate service for organizing information support of the battlefield, conditional aunts of operators who will already sit with tablets, and preferably with large monitors, and will reduce the whole picture by messages into a single map
    3 real time map sees the command and organizes the management of the operation, and again not through the same technical aunts of operators, they conditionally talk about the beginning of the operation in some direction, the aunts organize the operation itself, which unit will come out, how much ammunition to bring, what engineering actions, demining or building a bridge, artillery preparation, who goes where, how much. everything here, all these electronic toys are secondary, you can generally do everything on the maps, the most important thing is the number of service is such that as much as possible to remove problems from the field level, a specific commander should simply receive simple commands. when all this logistics is worked out, you can acquire whistle-blowers, only the most important thing is that the initiative for them comes from below
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 12: 21
      namely, for platoons and companies, the easiest option is to add a separate fighter-signalman of the ACCS-spotter - so that, by order of the commander, he adds the detected targets and their coordinates with a request for fire support, and already at the top there is approval or a direct communication channel with the division
      1. +1
        17 August 2022 19: 55
        And still, this fighter would be seated together with the commander in a separate spacious armored personnel carrier and the introduction of drones and automated control systems would accelerate. One command vehicle should be gradually added to each motorized rifle platoon.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 22: 07
          well, these are already dreams ... for now, we need a simple, well-established scheme in the form of a walkie-talkie + ACCS tablet + rangefinder-coordinator to immediately take coordinates
          1. 0
            7 October 2022 23: 31
            Three devices for one fighter!? The company commander has a radio operator, a rangefinder spotter in general is the staff of the division and he has no place in the company, and a flatbed operator generally works at the command post of the division.
            1. -1
              9 October 2022 21: 40
              only the realities are such that our main unit is a platoon on a support, which should be able to direct and adjust artillery, and often from the first shot
              1. 0
                10 October 2022 16: 37
                This is battalion art. Mortars. And regimental, and divisional? It's much more difficult there.
                1. 0
                  10 October 2022 17: 26
                  Yes, at least from the command reserve .. in any case, it is necessary to ensure the possibility of issuing target designation and adjusting the work of artillery from GPs .. either by special means, or by the simplest ones, but NECESSARY
  22. 0
    17 August 2022 19: 06
    Not a word about the protection of information transfer, about temporary approvals and authentications that could lock devices that fell into the hands of the enemy. This is a very, very important point. If you create a virtual battlefield, then what kind of grief it can turn into if it falls into the hands of the enemy, who would receive full information about everything from our side. Everything should be thought out to the smallest detail. The noise immunity of frequency changes and the stability of signal reception and transmission should also be developed. In general, the topic is necessary, it seems to me that now they are just sawing loot on it.
  23. 0
    17 August 2022 20: 02
    Sorry sir, I don't believe it. We do not have any "Constellation-2015" and, if you really were in the troops, as you say, then where, tell me, is your conscience?
    1. 0
      27 August 2022 11: 31
      That is, you need to believe you, and not the author? And who are you, exactly?
      1. 0
        27 August 2022 13: 31
        This is purely your own business.
        What difference does it make who I am? I am a reader of the article, as are you.
        However, allow me a counter question. And Roman Skomorokhov, in matters of automation of the RF Armed Forces and their equipment, is also who, in fact? Really megaauthority? No, for me - just an author who writes articles on "VO" that are not supported by any reference apparatus, expressing his purely personal opinion on all sorts of issues. Has the right to.
        In my comment, I just expressed my opinion. Are you denying me the right to express it freely?
        1. 0
          29 August 2022 11: 42
          The chatter about conscience "and whether you were in the troops" is tiring. Do you yourself serve now and do you know if there is a Constellation in the troops or not?
          I am subscribed to several TG channels of military correspondents and fighters from the front. They approve the use of such a control system. It may not be everywhere, but it is used.
          1. 0
            29 August 2022 15: 32
            I seem to have clearly written to you - What difference does it make who I am?
            Well, you firmly believe in "several TG channels of military correspondents and fighters from the front", and God is with you. I'm not going to fight phantoms in other people's heads.
            Chatter about conscience "and were you in the troops" is tiring

            So don't get tired, don't write to me. Actually, I didn't direct my comment to you.
            1. 0
              29 August 2022 15: 35
              That's right, it's better to defeat the phantoms in your head first.
  24. 0
    17 September 2022 02: 14
    The first law of the signalman: You shout louder - you hear further.
  25. -3
    18 September 2022 17: 11
    "Hours to make a fire decision" - it's still fast now!
    Do you remember the attack on the central square of Gori on August 12, 2008, when a Dutch journalist died?
    So, Iskander with sub ammunition was hit 2 days after the Georgian regiment left the square.
    How do you like the reaction time, calculated in days?
    1. 0
      17 October 2022 04: 12
      Iskander around the city? did you hear this on "freedom radio"? or relatives of the B / from / C of the ruins told? was the regiment placed on the central square along with the equipment? Did they set up tents?
  26. 0
    6 October 2022 22: 43
    You guys are playing network-centric. Dumb generals dream of controlling robots, but have not bothered to calculate the time required for this. And it is hundreds of times greater than the capabilities of all headquarters. Management functions should be delegated down: to sergeants and lieutenants.
    Cut down the sturgeon and ensure at least the call and adjustment of artillery fire directly from the front line.
  27. 0
    25 October 2022 13: 25
    In war, nothing goes smoothly, but the road will be mastered by the walking one. It's good that all these sores appear in the process of "warm-up" before the big war. We may be able to fix a lot.
  28. 0
    2 November 2022 00: 56
    But now it is very clear to everyone exactly what Starlink was created for =(((
  29. 0
    11 November 2022 12: 23
    The state economy will never create an efficient army.
  30. 0
    23 March 2023 09: 18
    No, of course, with the dismissal of Rogozin, the hope dawned that we would still have a complete satellite constellation. And Roskosmos will turn into a reliable assistant to the army.

    Dear, before you have something "sparkled" there, it would be nice to get acquainted with the facts. And the facts tell us that all the applications of the Ministry of Defense for the withdrawal of payloads by Roskosmos under the leadership of Rogozin were fulfilled. Can you imagine? How many satellites the Ministry of Defense ordered, so many and brought out.