Electric vehicles for the US Army. An important direction with an uncertain future

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In the coming years, the US military will not have to part with canisters. Photo by the US Department of Defense

The Pentagon is interested in any promising technology, and electric cars are no exception. Over the past few years, the US Army has been conducting various studies and studying the real prospects of this direction. We have also already moved on to full-fledged testing of available models of equipment. It is assumed that in the distant future, such cars of the future will be able to supplement or even replace existing cars with internal combustion engines.

Theoretical basis


To date, the Pentagon and related organizations have conducted a number of studies on electric vehicles, their real capabilities and prospects in terms of army operation. The findings from these studies remain generally negative. They show that electric propulsion and related systems have some advantages over internal combustion engines. At the same time, there are serious shortcomings, which so far cannot be corrected.



For example, last year the research work “Powering the US Army of the Future” was carried out. Several automotive companies with experience in the field of internal combustion engines and electrical installations were involved in its implementation. Together, they determined the optimal shape of a hypothetical electric car and compared it with a diesel car.

The study confirmed that an electric propulsion system is substantially cheaper to operate than a diesel engine. The electric motor is quieter and emits less heat radiation. In addition, such a motor has a wider range of optimal characteristics, which improves the speed, dynamic and traction parameters of the chassis.


Hybrid Advanced Ground Mobility Vehicle by GDLS. Photo by the US Department of Defense

However, there are specific problems. So, a diesel car receives energy directly from fuel, and can also carry canisters with its supply. An electric car, in turn, needs a charging station and an energy source. In terms of stored energy, diesel is vastly superior to a battery, with a 1 lb (3,8 kg) battery required to replace 8 gallon (140 L) of JP63,5 diesel.

All this seriously complicates the operation of electric vehicles, and also requires the creation of a separate infrastructure. In addition, the electrical installation is less survivable and resistant to enemy action. As a result, an electric car made using modern technologies cannot become a full-fledged replacement for a “regular” car.

Practical activities


The presence of problems at the current stage does not preclude new research and even practical measures. Recently, it has been reported several times that the Pentagon is testing existing electric vehicles of various models. In addition, the competitive development of the Electric Light Reconnaissance Vehicle (eLRV) light reconnaissance vehicle has been launched.

Several companies immediately became interested in the eLRV program and are developing their own versions of such a car. So, in the spring of last year, two new cars with electric power plants, as well as several hybrid models and equipment with an improved internal combustion engine, came out for comparative tests.


Experienced car General Motors ISV. So far, it is equipped with a diesel engine, but electrification is planned. Photos of General Motors Defense

Based on the results of these activities, conclusions of a scientific and practical nature were drawn. In addition, the requirements for promising army electric vehicles were clarified. The experience gained will be used in the new phase of the eLRV program - if it is launched.

Several other organizations are developing their own projects or plan to join this direction. For example, last fall, GMC indicated its interest in the eLRV topic. It recently developed the Hummer EV for the civilian market and is now ready to build a military version of it. If there is an order from the Pentagon, the work will be completed in the shortest possible time.

At the end of June, American specialized publications reported that the Pentagon was interested in the Lifestyle car from Canoo, which had recently entered the market. The result of this was a contract for the supply of equipment for testing. Judging by the cost of 67 thousand dollars, we are talking about only one or two cars. In the near future, such equipment will be handed over to the customer and will be tested. She will have to demonstrate her characteristics in the conditions of army operation.

Auxiliary systems


The existing fleet of ICE vehicles is critically dependent on the supply of fuel, and a complex multi-component logistics system has been created to solve such problems. Electric vehicles, in turn, need charging stations and related infrastructure. These issues are also being worked out within the eLRV program and in similar studies.


Hypothetical military version of the Hummer EV. GMC Graphics

Currently, the US Army has several types of mobile power supply systems. First of all, these are diesel generators in containers, in automotive or stationary versions. “Green” technologies are also gradually being introduced, mainly solar panels. These funds are used for autonomous power supply of remote bases and other similar facilities.

In the future, the power systems of the bases will be charged with the task of charging electric vehicles, which will increase the requirements for them. To this end, various options for upgrading existing systems are already being worked out and fundamentally new solutions are being studied. It is curious that such projects will be useful regardless of the availability of electric vehicles - the resulting power plants will be able to work with any other consumers.

The development of existing diesel generators continues, aimed at improving economic and environmental performance while maintaining or increasing power. In addition, new "environmentally friendly" systems are being designed. At the same time, new opportunities for liquid fuel technology are also being explored. So, since last year, the Twelve E-Jet station, which runs on electricity and is capable of making synthetic fuel from water and air, has been tested. While she synthesizes only aviation kerosene, but in the future it will be able to produce other types of fuel.

However, all energy system projects to support the operation of electric vehicles face one common problem. They need a power source to generate electricity. In this capacity, liquid fuel is widely used, which can simply be poured into a car tank and used with a higher efficiency of the entire system.


Canoo Lifestyle is a new target for Pentagon research. Canoo Photos

With unclear prospects


Thus, to date, a very interesting situation has developed, but its prospects are still in doubt. The Pentagon is seriously interested in electric and hybrid propulsion systems for cars and has already completed several necessary studies. In addition, comparative tests of several existing machines with different power plant options were carried out. In parallel, issues of infrastructure and auxiliary systems are being worked out.

However, the results of all the work carried out so far are far from ideal. At the level of theory and practice, electric vehicles demonstrate only certain advantages, but at the same time they show a number of disadvantages. Moreover, getting rid of these problems is extremely difficult or even impossible at the current level of technology.

The future of the electric direction is still unclear. The need for further development of existing projects, such as eLRV, is not defined - as well as the need for completely new programs. However, most likely, work will continue. If successful, they will lead to the emergence of new equipment with special abilities and will affect the further development of the army. And regardless of the result, these projects will bring political, financial and image gains.
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  1. +9
    14 August 2022 04: 48
    Funny dreamers. Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?
    1. +9
      14 August 2022 05: 23
      Quote: realist
      Funny dreamers.

      Well, yes, it all looks more like "projecting"
      Quote: realist
      Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?

      Well, here you are not quite right, the battery can be made quickly replaceable ... as it is now on scooters. But still, such charging stations are very vulnerable.
      1. +6
        14 August 2022 06: 05
        Quote: svp67
        The battery can be made quickly replaceable ... as it is now on scooters. But still, such charging stations are very vulnerable.

        Just nonsense. Carry fuel, burn it in a diesel generator, emitting noise and heat with a decrease in the efficiency of fuel use, attracting unnecessary units. fool It's like heating a thermal power plant with hydrogen. fool
        1. -3
          14 August 2022 07: 18
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: svp67
          The battery can be made quickly replaceable ... as it is now on scooters. But still, such charging stations are very vulnerable.

          Just nonsense. Carry fuel, burn it in a diesel generator, emitting noise and heat with a decrease in the efficiency of fuel use, attracting unnecessary units. fool It's like heating a thermal power plant with hydrogen. fool

          I advise you to read about hybrid cars
      2. -1
        14 August 2022 18: 42
        Can you imagine the size and weight of the battery? I recommend to change the batteries in the tank for review. Then we will continue the discussion.
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 21: 39
          Do you believe in technological progress?
          I recommend reading about the first clumsy armadillos, airplanes, tanks. Well, from the current - UAV.
        2. +1
          15 August 2022 04: 24
          Quote: realist
          I recommend changing the batteries in the tank for review. Then we will continue the discussion.

          Changed and not once. Shall we continue?
          Quote: realist
          Can you imagine the size and weight of the battery?

          Can you imagine WHAT batteries they are going to use in these cars? Far from lead, look at what batteries are currently being installed on electric vehicles
          1. 0
            15 August 2022 04: 52
            My firm conviction is that in today's conditions, an electric car in the army, in a war zone, is an extremely risky way of moving, without the ability to continue moving in a reasonably short time after the charge is completely consumed. If in the process of performing a combat mission the fuel runs out, then within 5 minutes you can fill the tank with fuel, but what about with electric vehicles. In some distant future, when the problems of weight and charging speed are solved, then it will become interesting, but not now.
    2. +5
      14 August 2022 05: 24
      This is solved by a replaceable battery:


      In general, full-fledged electric vehicles need an energy carrier that is comparable in density to gasoline, suitable for long-term storage (at least a month), etc.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 22: 56
        Tesla first of all tried to realize the possibility of replaceable batteries, but rejected this idea, firstly, the device turns out to be very complex, the battery weight is under 600 kg and the charged lithium battery itself is 50-100 kWh, that is still a “bomb”, dropping, damaging it is highly undesirable. The second is the problem of contacts in full growth, the voltage in the DC link is about 600 volts, and at the peak for a short time (when the hipster presses the sneaker) up to 100 kW can be consumed and, accordingly, the current will be about 166 amperes and, if the contacts are not reliable, clogged and etc., all this will lead to losses, overheating, melting, well, up to a fire.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 04: 54
          "Drop" is the problem of accidents when an electric car crashes somewhere at full speed; here everything is slowly removed and installed. Well, the contacts can be made airtight, this is a completely solvable matter.
          1. 0
            15 August 2022 08: 52
            Well, the contacts can be made airtight, this is a completely solvable matter.


            Yes, everything is solved the issue of price, reliability, mass character, Tesla considered that it was not worth it.
        2. -2
          16 August 2022 10: 29
          This idea was abandoned for another reason: at the station, instead of your new battery, they could put a heavily used one and Tesla users did not like it. On the other hand, in China right now you can change the battery of a moped at a special station
          1. 0
            16 August 2022 13: 41
            I remember reading a technical release, the main problem was the complexity of the design and the complexity of the design of an electric car, and everything multiplied by the mass increased the likelihood of fire, it would not be difficult to control the battery, and the business model was just drawn excellent, where the battery itself does not belong to the owner.
            1. -2
              16 August 2022 16: 21
              I will not argue, I read what I wrote about above. It is possible that both things happened.
    3. +4
      14 August 2022 05: 25
      Quote: realist
      Funny dreamers. Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?

      The problem of charging time is easily solved with replaceable batteries.
      Replacing the block can be faster than filling the tank. It runs on one battery, several pieces are charged.
      The main problem of electric vehicles is the low capacity of the batteries. It must be increased ten times in order to start switching to electricity without exception.
      Second in importance, if all cars go electric, the number of power plants in the world will have to be quadrupled.
      Jet aviation, until atmospheric ionizers are created, thousands of times more powerful than those currently available, will continue to fly on fuel.
      1. PPD
        +5
        14 August 2022 11: 30
        The problem of charging time is easily solved with replaceable batteries.

        In Tesla, the weight of the batteries is 540 kilograms. Yes
        Good luck with the replacement.
        And they consist of all the same 18650 elements with a small battery each. Manufactured all the way from China. drinks good
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 13: 45
          Quote: PPD
          In Tesla, the weight of the batteries is 540 kilograms.
          Good luck with the replacement.

          Firstly, when everything is standard and there is a technique specially created for this standard, everything is simple and technologically advanced. Himars has a replaceable container with a package of missiles weighing 2270 kg. It is replaced in 15 minutes.
          Secondly, as I wrote earlier, they will start switching to batteries en masse when the battery capacity is increased tenfold. For Tesla, it will be three 18 kg containers.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 18: 45
            Well, let's wait.
          2. 0
            15 August 2022 12: 19
            Quote: Shurik70
            Quote: PPD
            In Tesla, the weight of the batteries is 540 kilograms.
            Good luck with the replacement.

            Firstly, when everything is standard and there is a technique specially created for this standard, everything is simple and technologically advanced. Himars has a replaceable container with a package of missiles weighing 2270 kg. It is replaced in 15 minutes.
            Secondly, as I wrote earlier, they will start switching to batteries en masse when the battery capacity is increased tenfold. For Tesla, it will be three 18 kg containers.

            For some reason, everyone forgot about frosts, and after all, L-I batteries are discharged during them, well, very quickly. Yes, and the capacity of the L-I batteries came up to its chapel.
            As for the changeability of battery packs - ie. if we send one or two cars, they must be accompanied by a third, with a supply of batteries, as it is not rational.
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 05: 31
              Quote: Havoc
              As for the changeability of battery packs - ie. if we send one or two cars, they must be accompanied by a third, with a supply of batteries, as it is not rational.

              Just like when you send someone on a long trip now, you provide him with a supply of fuel
    4. +2
      14 August 2022 05: 33
      The theoretical foundations are good, they forgot, the absence of a gearbox eliminates the need for warm-up at idle.
      The existing fleet of ICE vehicles is critically dependent on the supply of fuel, and a complex multi-component logistics system has been created to solve such problems. Electric vehicles, in turn, need charging stations and related infrastructure. They need a power source to generate electricity. In this capacity, liquid fuel is widely used, which can simply be poured into a car tank and used with a higher efficiency of the entire system.
      request
      1. +3
        14 August 2022 06: 04
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The theoretical foundations are good, they forgot, the absence of a gearbox eliminates the need for warm-up at idle.

        And here you are not quite right. Yes, the engine does not need to be warmed up, but the battery itself? It has long been no secret that when the temperature drops, the battery capacity also decreases, moreover, it needs to be “warmed up”, or you can quickly put it down, and all this is energy consumption
        1. -2
          16 August 2022 10: 34
          In the same Tesla, both heating and cooling batteries are used.
    5. -3
      14 August 2022 06: 27
      Quote: realist
      Funny dreamers. Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?

      Yes, they do not fight anywhere for real, so they are present and rob.
      1. -3
        14 August 2022 10: 55
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        Yes, they do not fight anywhere for real, so they are present and rob.

        Well, yes, we’ll throw our hats on, and the women still give birth.
        They don't fight anywhere... Just offhand: Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq 91, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan, Syria, and now through mercenaries and advisers in Sumeria against us.
        1. -2
          14 August 2022 19: 45
          Since the time of Vietnam, they have not fought for real, and it’s a shame to mention Grenada in general.
          1. +1
            14 August 2022 21: 23
            Grenada and Panama are rare examples of successful airborne operations.

            Iraq 91 is also just a walk? Seriously? With an army that received in the 80s all the most modern things that can be bought, and had 8 years of experience in large-scale war? According to this logic, we also did not "really" fight before the NWO.

            Well, what am I talking about - we have a hell of a lot of people and we squeamishly grimace at someone else's experience and do not draw conclusions, but if anything - "women give birth."
            1. -2
              15 August 2022 07: 18
              Yeah ... 1500 Grenadians with 10 BTR-60s and 2 BRDMs, several ZU-23s on one side and almost 8000 warriors 12 ships with an aircraft carrier 100 units of air equipment with tanks and armored personnel carriers on the other, the operation went on for 3 days, and after the first day of the operation, the command had to request HELP. Is that what you call successful? And where did you find the most modern equipment in the Iraqi army at the time of its defeat?
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 15: 32
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                Is that what you call successful?

                Were the final tasks completed? Or was the landing from the turntables and landed by parachute method defeated? Oh well, at the initial stage, someone scratched hard there. Until it was mixed with the earth. Therefore, "boss, fse is gone" and "the Yankees do not know how to fight."
                Ay! The Yankees are the enemy. What does it have to do with a dangerous and experienced enemy, who is now almost openly waging war with us and who has successfully been able and is able to achieve his goals. And we are all engaged in hat-throwing (only the decaying West will not bend in any way) instead of studying the enemy and trying to figure out how to resist him.

                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                And where did you find the most modern equipment in the Iraqi army at the time of its defeat?

                MiG-29, missile systems, guided missile weapons and much more for 1991, this, of course, is "not modern" equipment. Do not confuse Iraq in 1991 and Iraq in 2003. These are two completely different countries in terms of their technical level.
            2. -1
              15 August 2022 12: 34
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              Grenada and Panama are rare examples of successful airborne operations.

              Iraq 91 is also just a walk? Seriously? With an army that received in the 80s all the most modern things that can be bought, and had 8 years of experience in large-scale war? According to this logic, we also did not "really" fight before the NWO.

              Well, what am I talking about - we have a hell of a lot of people and we squeamishly grimace at someone else's experience and do not draw conclusions, but if anything - "women give birth."

              Yes seriously. The air defense that the French put up was turned off, the tanks on the front line, left without cover, were all destroyed by the Allied Air Force, the infantry stupidly fled, the generals were bought and fled before anyone else, what serious resistance are you talking about, they were captured by whole divisions.
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 15: 23
                Quote: Havoc
                Yes seriously. The air defense that the French put up was turned off, the tanks on the front line, left without cover, were all destroyed by the Allied Air Force, the infantry stupidly fled, the generals were bought and fled before anyone else, what serious resistance are you talking about, they were captured by whole divisions.

                1. You are confusing 1991 and 2003.
                2. No one "turned off" air defense. I recommend reading at least VO materials about these events. The French CIVIL network has been disabled.
                3. Divisions in 1991 ran after the defeat. And by the way, the Iraqis in 91 were not afraid to join the Yankees in a combined arms battle.
                4. Even taking into account the level of resistance of the Iraqis in 2003, the Yankees still at the moment already have experience in maintaining a database with a regular and large army. Which we really didn’t have until 2022. And that 5-day experience was successfully forgotten.
                1. 0
                  16 August 2022 17: 52
                  Firstly, I did not say that the Yankees are harmless boys. Second, I admit I was stupid with Iraq. Thirdly, let me disagree on Grenada, despite the victory, this is such a victory from which one can only be ashamed. But I want to add Iraq 91 and 03. The Yankees did not participate alone.
                  1. +2
                    16 August 2022 22: 20
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    Firstly, I didn’t say that the Yankees are harmless boys


                    Yes, I myself, comrade, am to blame - hat throwers are enraged and I already growl at people at the first suspicion :)

                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    Grenada, despite the victory, is such a victory from which one can only be ashamed

                    Grenada and Panama are good precisely as an experience in the use of airborne forces in greenhouse conditions against regulars.
                    In Iraq, in 2003, the landing attempt was already a failure (but without casualties) and it is very good that on February 24.02 they did not think of a parachute landing on our part.

                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    add and Iraq 91

                    Yes you are right. But they pulled the main strap. And they received dividends in the form of experience in many ways. French, Britons and Arabs - to a lesser extent.
                    1. -1
                      17 August 2022 07: 36
                      Quote: Blackgrifon
                      Yes, I myself, comrade, am to blame - hat throwers are enraged and I already growl at people at the first suspicion :)

                      It is OK, it happens :)
                      Quote: Blackgrifon
                      Grenada and Panama are good precisely as an experience in the use of airborne forces in greenhouse conditions against regulars.

                      As for Panama, I will not say, I was not interested. But about Grenada, I have a big doubt that they can be called regulars ... it looks more like a militia. Although what they managed to hold out for three days is well done.
    6. +1
      14 August 2022 06: 35
      Quote: realist
      Funny dreamers. Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?

      Volkswagen charges in 11 hours from the mains. And 40 minutes quick charge.
    7. -2
      14 August 2022 07: 17
      You can and 30 seconds by replacing the battery.
    8. +2
      14 August 2022 09: 26
      Even in peacetime - such an occupation, 6-8 hours of charging, instead of 5-minute refueling (even with hydrogen !!!).
    9. 0
      14 August 2022 20: 44
      Quote: realist
      Funny dreamers. Charge electric vehicles for 6...8 hours in combat conditions? Aha!?

      There are fast charges, there up to 80% in 10-15 minutes.
    10. 0
      15 August 2022 07: 52
      The Pentagon is interested in Canoo's Lifestyle car

      Probably the director of the Pentagon saw this machine near the supermarket
  2. +1
    14 August 2022 06: 56
    In fact, the prospect for such vehicles is only LOGO, that is, conditionally transporting goods from the base (airfield) to the transshipment point, and then back. It will definitely never be used in real hostilities (50-100 years for sure)
    Everything will depend on whether the car can carry loads efficiently and have at least some kind of armor / protection against rebounds.
    For example, our KAMAZ - they transport goods, but if you fall under any small arms - you get cranks, not to mention fragments - you can break through this KAMAZ / Ural from your hand.
    1. +2
      14 August 2022 07: 19
      Quote from hell machine
      In fact, the prospect for such vehicles is only LOGO, that is, conditionally transporting goods from the base (airfield) to the transshipment point, and then back. It will definitely never be used in real hostilities (50-100 years for sure)
      Everything will depend on whether the car can carry loads efficiently and have at least some kind of armor / protection against rebounds.
      For example, our KAMAZ - they transport goods, but if you fall under any small arms - you get cranks, not to mention fragments - you can break through this KAMAZ / Ural from your hand.

      The simplest and most obvious solution for a spetsnaz buggy. Reservations are not needed, the car is as light as possible. But the dynamics, silence, patency and low thermal footprint of the special forces will fully appreciate
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 08: 10
        It is highly doubtful, because the use of the buggy is directly very, very narrow-profile, no one will bother for this.
        I'm talking specifically about the mass production of equipment in the amount of 1000 cars, etc., in fact, only the option of a supply / transportation vehicle remains.
        But it will be in 10 years only in the best case.
    2. -1
      14 August 2022 07: 31
      oil on Earth will run out faster ..
  3. +1
    14 August 2022 07: 53
    It is clear that carrying fuel to save fuel is stupid.
    This idea stuck with me...
    "So, since last year, the Twelve E-Jet station, which runs on electricity and is capable of doing synthetic fuel from water and air. While she synthesizes only aviation kerosene, but in the future it will be able to produce other types of fuel."
    If it is effective, then, for example, the range of air traffic in the North will double without the need to import fuel
    1. +1
      14 August 2022 09: 39
      Quote: your1970
      the range of air traffic in the North will double without the need to import fuel


      Rather, such an installation would be useful in difficult high mountainous conditions. At a minimum, it will be able to close the problem of heating and lighting in winter and ensure the survival of people in snowstorms. Accordingly, they can appear in the mountains in real life on the Siachen glacier and take part in the conflict between the Indians and the Pakistanis, which is being waged there by the forces of border guard climbers.

      True, this is not the only option - a combination of solar panels, frost-resistant batteries and low-temperature heat pumps is possible. A good air conditioner with a winter heating function and heats the room up to -30.
  4. +1
    14 August 2022 08: 48
    In my conditions, an electric car is a bunch of iron with a frozen battery. In winter, at minus 40-50, even a diesel engine causes a lot of problems ... And we have 9 months of winter.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 10: 37
      And how many people live in such conditions?
      1. -1
        16 August 2022 14: 56
        2500. In my village. I don't know about the area. The population density is approximately 0,07 people. per 100 km2. What's the matter? I'm not forbidding someone to use electric vehicles - I just said that in my region this is not possible, as in principle throughout the north of Russia.
        1. -2
          16 August 2022 16: 23
          I live in St. Petersburg, and Teslas feel great here. As in Norway, at -30. Yes, of course, the battery capacity drops, but not critically, but fuel consumption also increases in winter
          1. -1
            17 August 2022 00: 41
            You don't understand... Minus 20 is already spring for us. The average temperature in winter is -40. And we don’t have roads for Tesla, if suddenly something happens and the first 100 meters of asphalt are unexpectedly laid ... I’ll drink for a week. :) There is no road to us at all - only along the winter road, and even then on Kamaz trucks, Urals, well, at least on what is possible it is an UAZ. And so ... "only by plane you can fly." And you tell me about Leningrad ...
            1. -1
              17 August 2022 09: 44
              In conditions like you, they live, or rather survive, because you can call it life only with a huge stretch, an extremely small number of people, so your example is not indicative.
              1. -1
                17 August 2022 22: 07
                Hmm... But we have gas, oil, gold, rare earths and much more. You and people like you sit in offices, eat, drink, buy Teslas, buy expensive cars and no less expensive tsatska just because I live and work here. And we don’t have theft, we don’t have locks on the doors ... in general, and there are no cops because there are no crimes. Hunting and fishing without restrictions. Earth ... at least eat this land, even permission is not required - fenced as much as you want and it's yours, but you won't grow a damn thing on it - permafrost is half a meter - potatoes cannot grow. And by the way, I like this kind of life, there is no your squabbling, squabbling for power, for money, for a position, and the devil will understand what else you are squabbling about. Moreover, at the expense of money - they pay very well, in the days of the USSR, when everyone had a salary. 120r. I had 425r. Good luck.
                1. -1
                  18 August 2022 10: 01
                  Gas, oil, gold, etc. not with you, and not with the state, but with the oligarchs. And you are paid some crumbs from the master's table.
                  You and people like you sit in offices, eat, drink, buy Teslas, buy expensive cars and no less expensive tsatska just because I live and work here.

                  Ha ha ha! No, I'm buying all this because I work HERE. I have my own business that has nothing to do with mining, so thank you, Seryoga, for working there, but my well-being does not depend on you.
                  Good luck!
                  1. -1
                    18 August 2022 18: 22
                    I agree. Does that mean you need oligarchs??? Did you achieve this? What would I say that the oligarchs should be equalized? So they would have said right away and they would not have found a more faithful comrade-in-arms.
                    Go to hell with your business - you are an exploiter. How much do you pay a cleaning lady and how much do you have yourself?
                    1. -1
                      19 August 2022 11: 40
                      I pay less for a cleaner, more for laborers, and even more for skilled workers. People are happy, there is no turnover from the word at all.
                      How much do I have? Not as much as I would like! But who told you that the owner should receive little? Who invented and implemented this business? Who mortgaged the only apartment? Who pays for the equipment? Think it's that easy? Well, try it yourself! laughing
                      1. -1
                        19 August 2022 12: 56
                        In your words, a true capitalist peeps through! "Not as much as I wanted!" You see, what’s the matter, you will never stop, there will always be “not so much” for you ... I feel sorry for you, for you the meaning of life is money-grubbing, behind the desire for profit you forget that this is not the main thing in life .. Well, you will earn "a hundred thousand billion" and then what? Will you take them to the grave with you? All right, your coffin will be polished and beautiful... but you will lie down in the same ground as your cleaning lady. Your monument will be a fandibober, but still in the same land.
                        Another question, do you have contempt for the cleaning lady and what difference do you value your work in comparison with the work of the cleaning lady. If suddenly the cleaning lady quits, will you take up the mop?
                      2. -1
                        19 August 2022 13: 11
                        Where did you see contempt?! belay
                        Each job requires its own qualifications, and it is also necessary to be able to wash the floor well. But even a laborer needs more, because it is also physical labor, so he gets more. And so on: the more a person studied, the more he knows and can do, the more he gets. I didn't invent it, it's the way it is all over the world.
                        As for my words “not as much as I wanted”, I meant something completely different: a highly qualified IT specialist now receives more than I do. With smaller headaches. Why? This is a good question, on this topic you can argue for a very long time.
                        And finally, at the expense of the fact that money cannot be taken to the grave. In this you are certainly right, but the money is worth it to bend down for them. I can not worry that tomorrow I will die, and the family will be left without a livelihood, this time. Two, I can afford some things that I could not afford if I had less money. A car at will, not what was enough, for example, a nice house in the suburbs, traveling around the world, a hobby that (see my nickname) costs a lot of money.
                      3. -1
                        19 August 2022 14: 21
                        I didn't see the contempt, it was just a question. You didn't answer about the difference. Well, you get a million a month (conditionally), a cleaning lady 10 thousand (also conditionally). This is fine? I mean this difference is normal?
                        Money isn't worth leaning over. You really shouldn't bend over. Even because of a nice house or car. Yes, even because of a yacht or a private plane. I find it funny and a little sad for you. Everything depends on the needs. I don't need a Porsche, for the life of me, I don't need it. Why do I need a private jet? I need an UAZ ... I have it, I need a boat for fishing - I have it (I built it myself). Who do you think is happier, me or the oligarch who bought a hundred-meter yacht?
                        But you are right about one thing, for the sake of the family, children, grandchildren, one must live and work. But it is to plow like hell, and not bend down. Because your grandchildren will see this damned bending over money and will not respect you. Well, or become the same as you.
                        About the last point ... I asked you about the mop, and not about the work of a designer or a printer. It seems to me that you are a little disdainful of a mop ... And if everyone is like you, who will wash the floors? I was repairing a street toilet here, the floors were rotten ... Maybe I shouldn't have done this? Maybe I should have called a cleaning lady?
                      4. -1
                        19 August 2022 15: 45
                        The cleaning lady gets 15 thousand, she comes in the evening and works for an hour and a half. I'm a million, alas, very far away! In a beautiful 2018, the company's net profit was in the region of 5 million, in the past - 2,5. Well, my bare salary is 100 thousand, which has not changed since 5 years, if not more.
                        Do I think this gap is normal? Yes. I already wrote that at one time I mortgaged my apartment in order to take a loan for the development of the company. My business went well, but I know many who have flown. How are these risks assessed?
                        You did not understand the meaning of "bend over", hence the wrong conclusions.
                        I don't have a Porsche either, I have a Wrangler. Well, since childhood I wanted a "real jeep"! And, unlike the UAZ, it is comfortable (for a jeep), safe and does not break.
                        They are finishing a yacht for a friend, not 100 meters, of course, less, but also rather big, and he is happy above his ears!
                        I'm generally wondering how you distinguish "plow" from "not plow"?! Who is more tired, he plows? Well, the porters who carry the piano get tired like dogs, but the pianist who plays it does not. But anyone can become a loader, with physical data, and a pianist, even of an average level, is one in a thousand.
                        What are you clinging to this mop? laughing Everyone should do what they are good at. And / or where his work will be most useful. I can wash the floor, no problem, but why? I'll be more helpful elsewhere. As for the street toilet... sorry, I haven't used it for 20 years now, and if I were you, I wouldn't patch the floors, but install a septic tank. It is much more pleasant to shit in the warmth of the house, plus there is less risk of catching a cold
                      5. 0
                        14 September 2022 19: 32
                        Deep Diver:
                        Kirill, the entrepreneur works more with his head than with his hands. Including thinking about when to call a cleaning lady or a loader)) And such work will be harder than washing floors or carrying pianos. Respect to you!
                      6. +1
                        14 September 2022 19: 28
                        Sergey Averchenkov
                        Money isn't worth leaning over. You really shouldn't bend over. Even because of a nice house or car. Yes, even because of a yacht or a private plane. Everything depends on the needs. Why do I need a private jet? I need UAZ

                        It's funny to read)) But I NEED a personal plane. And not a Boeing at all)) But even the smallest airplane costs more than a million. And I'm ready not to bend down, but to make money on it. By the way, building with your own hands is not much cheaper. Motors, materials, tidy and other units will fly into the same millions. You need an UAZ - and I need a plane. And what is bad here? And the work of an entrepreneur (unless, of course, this is a killer and not a fraudulent office) will be more difficult than that of a cleaner. Therefore, your opponent - respect! No one forbids a cleaning lady to open her own business and earn money. Yes, at least hire other cleaners and create a cleaning office.
                        BENDING over money will not work - they don’t lie on the floor. Gotta earn them
                      7. -1
                        19 August 2022 13: 20
                        Oh yes, I forgot to answer the last point.
                        When jobs happen, I take on some of the work of a designer or printer, because I started from those parts, and "hands remember."
                        And if the cleaning lady quits, I'll hire a new one, because it's much more efficient that way.
                      8. -1
                        20 August 2022 19: 38
                        Sorry, I have to interrupt our conversation - local problems have piled up. Once again I apologize.
                      9. 0
                        14 September 2022 19: 34
                        This is an extreme case)) If the director works instead of employees, then who will manage the work of the entire enterprise?
                      10. -1
                        15 September 2022 09: 45
                        I say: "When the emergency happens." If they start on a permanent basis, then this means that it is necessary to expand and hire new people and / or modernize production.
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  5. +2
    14 August 2022 08: 56
    Electric vehicles are a chic topic for both intelligence and logistics. They should be used en masse, in combination with fuel engines, complementing the strengths of both technologies. However, the military application of such technologies may turn out to be unexpected: our military would now distribute courier electric bicycles to deliver humanitarian aid to people.
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 19: 19
      And will you take a lot of humanitarian aid on lisapeds? If only pizza on order laughing Why don't you like cars?
  6. +2
    14 August 2022 10: 21
    There are many advantages to electric vehicles, and in order to understand some, you need to get rid of the usual ICE-thinking patterns. Simplicity of design. Modularity. Vitality - contrary to the vulnerability declared in the article. Scalability - instead of one buggy, individual electric bikes / scooters can be used. Well, and noiselessness, lack of a thermal trace.

    We see in the moment the use of effective electro-copters. Now. For them, a niche was found where the internal combustion engine is not a competitor. It's only the beginning...
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 19: 18
      Proctologist
      We see in the moment the use of effective electro-copters. For them, a niche was found where the internal combustion engine is not a competitor

      What a competitor! It's just easier to buy an electric quadcopter on aliexpress than a gasoline one. At home, as you know, it’s easier to charge from the outlet than to run to the gas station with a canister. This is the only reason. Now try to find a serious military drone powered by electricity
  7. 0
    14 August 2022 10: 30
    An electric car is good. It's more of a niche product. It can be used to a limited extent in a warring army in the deep rear, and in a non-belligerent army it is very limited in all areas of life. This can help you save money. In any other situations, no logistics will justify the delivery of quick-change batteries, that is, I still see no reason to even consider them as a full-fledged replacement for internal combustion engines. And if you take into account the needs of electric cars for rare earth minerals, their economic feasibility is questionable. In general, while the ICE is better.
  8. +1
    14 August 2022 10: 47
    Everything is very simple.
    First, it is advanced technology. In the United States, the system is built in such a way that all advanced technologies are tested in the armed forces (the armed forces use and test these technologies in different climatic conditions, and after confirming the specified characteristics and effectiveness by a government agency, a standard is adopted that obliges all manufacturers (in the world) introduce this advanced technology into civilian products, thereby 1) achieving US technological superiority in the world and an unconditional victory in the competition, 2) ensuring military-technical power, which is the basis of US hegemony.
    And there is no other way.
    1. -3
      14 August 2022 13: 43
      This is a trap for fools, not advanced technology. The creators of "Yo-mobile" have already been caught, they are looking for the next, ready to invest in obviously unprofitable projects.
      1. +2
        14 August 2022 14: 09
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Trap for fools

        Of course. As a result of the "flight to the moon" project, fools have now fallen into the trap and pay for computers and smartphones they do not need, ABS, ESP, etc. etc.
        Do not hesitate - the connection is direct.
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 18: 55
          ABS and EPS appeared as a result of the project "flight to the moon"? So what's the connection?
  9. 0
    14 August 2022 10: 48
    Only a small nuclear reactor can solve the problem, but it doesn’t exist yet, as the author correctly noted, in order to get a lot of energy, you need to spend a lot of energy
    1. -1
      14 August 2022 11: 15
      Quote: blackcat
      Only a small nuclear reactor can solve the problem

      The problem is different: it is necessary to reduce the population of this Earth by an order of magnitude.
    2. 0
      14 September 2022 19: 15
      blackcat
      Only a small nuclear reactor

      Any projectile hitting the reactor or an explosion of ammunition will turn your car into a dirty nuclear bomb
  10. PPD
    0
    14 August 2022 11: 18
    Basically, they're just throwing money away.
    And yes, the US military budget is the largest laughing
  11. 0
    14 August 2022 13: 15
    Electric vehicles for the US Army. An important direction with an uncertain future
    . As an auxiliary, "urban" transport, it seems to be normal ... as a left-handed transport, it's too early, there are no necessary energy storage / energy sources.
  12. 0
    14 August 2022 18: 52
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Quote: svp67
    The battery can be made quickly replaceable ... as it is now on scooters. But still, such charging stations are very vulnerable.

    Just nonsense. Carry fuel, burn it in a diesel generator, emitting noise and heat with a decrease in the efficiency of fuel use, attracting unnecessary units. fool It's like heating a thermal power plant with hydrogen. fool

    the same nuclear generators are becoming more and more mobile and cheaper. So it's also an option in the future.
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 19: 13
      Tarasios
      the same atomic generators are becoming more and more mobile and cheaper. So it's also an option in the future.

      Any projectile hit in a nuke or ammunition explosion will turn your car into a dirty nuclear bomb
  13. 0
    15 August 2022 01: 05
    Whoever can develop such technology will become the god of war. Huge columns with fuel and various materials will no longer be needed.
    Imagine compact batteries, the size of a 40 liter canister, with a power reserve of 1.5-2 thousand km.
    And if you equip such armored vehicles, for example. And now you have the same tanks that can carry 1.5 thousand without refueling, just bring the shells.
    Immediately inside so much space would be freed. Reduced risk of fuel fire. Reduced load on logistics, etc. UAVs that could fly for weeks without landing.
    It is a pity that this is really a fantasy for now, but modern science and technology can already allow this, only modern geniuses are needed.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 16: 25
      Yes, even if a 40 kilogram battery is enough for 100 kilometers, then this will be enough above the ears
  14. 0
    15 August 2022 01: 44
    One fragment in the power unit, a battery or an electric motor and a bright non-extinguishable lithium-aluminum torch is provided. We add ammunition there and we get an excellent army vehicle. And yes, we carry a separate diesel generator with us, with a barrel of fuel and a separate crew.
    1. +1
      14 September 2022 19: 11
      They also forgot a whole caravan of cars with coils of wires, stocks of controllers, batteries and electric motors for repairing damaged e-bills. And yes, a repair flyer with a crane for repairing even the smallest cars
  15. 0
    15 August 2022 10: 50
    Among other things, you need good logistics. The US Armed Forces have it. And so, for now, until a technological breakthrough in a multiple increase in battery capacity. Exoskeletons, impulse weapons, etc. are waiting for them.
  16. 0
    14 September 2022 19: 07
    An electric car is a good car ... for peacetime. When they don't shoot. There is a lot of equipment with combat damage in the war zone, which is being repaired, and it drives. Is it possible to repair a yo-bil in the field? What are electric motors, what is a battery, what electronics can only be changed to a serviceable one. That is, either, again, take it to the rear for repair, or remove serviceable units from other e-bills, and only of the SAME TYPE. Vehicles with internal combustion engines, by the way, even with damaged engines and transmissions, very often left the combat zone under their own power. If the battery is damaged, the yo-bil will immediately become a pumpkin. Here they discussed the problem of charging the battery, or replacing it. And with ICE it is much easier. Even if there is no tanker nearby. There are a lot of damaged or abandoned vehicles with fuel residues in the war zone. Dumped the hose and poured. Often you can find canisters or barrels of fuel. Considering that most combat vehicles have multi-fuel engines, even gasoline from cars will go. Is there anything similar for e-bills? It is unlikely that there will be any sense from batteries taken from other equipment. One frustration - there is a battery, but it's impossible to go
  17. -1
    27 September 2022 15: 14
    I'm not worried about the future of this car in the USA. I recommend that others do the same. While roads, bridges, factories and other knick-knacks were being built in the USA, in Russia at that time they were mowed down with sickles. And nothing, as it was, is left. There was one country, but it was not suitable for outright theft and it was destroyed. A museum was built for the destroyer, like a perdovik in this body.
  18. 0
    17 October 2022 16: 25
    "" a number of shortcomings. Moreover, getting rid of these problems is extremely difficult or even impossible at the current level of technology.

    This applies to all trains!
  19. 0
    27 October 2022 22: 25
    Well, in a vague future, maybe they will have good cars in service, though I’m not sure about the last one (what kind of space capsule is this wassat ), but for now, to put it mildly, such Hummers drive like that.