Dan Coonan revolver pistol

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"Kunen" .357 Magnum. Right view. Photo guns.com

“Put down the pistol after all,” suggested Vedin discontentedly. - Of course, this is a toy ... But quite dangerous. I don't know the statistics, but there are probably a little less accidental killings than deliberate ones. He moved the Colt closer to him. “Yes, that's what I'm saying,” he continued, returning to his former tone, “that, undoubtedly, some other solutions to this problem will be found in time. Designers will be able to figure out how to make the bolt move back only at the moment when the bullet leaves the bore, in some other new way ... Although in our time the gun is only a symbol of strength. And the present weapon, as you said, has a completely different look, and, perhaps, a different purpose ...
Vladimir Kiselyov, Thieves in the House

Weapon stories. We have already told more than once in this series about how often it happens that another person is suddenly seized by a passionate desire to create his own gun, and so strong that it is impossible to resist it. Something similar happened to a young American, Dan Koonan, who, while studying at college, offered a draft design of a pistol based on the 1911 Colt of the year, but chambered for the .357 Magnum revolver cartridge, as a graduation qualification work. Moreover, the task he set for himself was clearly not an easy one: to develop a pistol magazine for a revolving cartridge with a large rim, since the pistol in relation to this particular part of it was a secondary matter. If there wasn't a store, there wouldn't be this gun!

Dan Coonan revolver pistol
The pistol, as soon as it appeared, aroused great interest. He was featured in Gun Digest...


And in Gun World magazine

But ... despite the complexity of the task, he solved it, and back in 1977, after which he managed to start producing his own pistols a few years later, releasing the first one in 1983. The company, however, did not last long, until 1998, and then in 2009 it was transformed into a new company, Coonan Inc., but in the end it still ceased to exist in 2019.




And, of course, this gun immediately ended up in the hands of poorly dressed beauties. There is already a rule like this: the larger the caliber, the less clothes and the slenderer the shooter ...

Again, we have noticed many times that "the egg always precedes the chicken", that is, before another revolver or pistol appeared, the cartridge most often appeared first. So this time back in 1934, the designer F. Sharp created the .357 Magnum cartridge.


Cartridge .357 Magnum. Manufacturer: Sellier & Bello

The cartridge had a decent length (in metric designation - 9x32R) and a rim instead of a groove, that is, it was a purely revolving cartridge. And very high power. The mass of the bullet to it was 10,2 grams. The speed (depending on the length of the barrel) could be 330; and 365; and 410 m/s. That is, it was much more than Browning cartridges of the same caliber.


Cartridge .380 ACP Browning. Manufacturer: Sellier & Bello

It is clear that very powerful revolvers were soon created for a powerful revolver cartridge. However, the Colt 1911A1 was also very powerful due to its large caliber, although the cartridges it fired were much shorter than revolvers.


For comparison: at the top is a Colt-Pyton revolver, at the bottom is a Kunen .357 Magnum pistol. Photo womenandguns.com


Cartridges for comparison: for the Colt M1911 pistol (above) and the Koonen .357 Magnum Automatic pistol (this is its full name). Photo forgottenweapons

In fact, the Coonan pistol was the same 1911 Colt of the year, adapted to fire new cartridges. At the same time, many small changes were made to the design to improve its reliability, accuracy and manufacturability. For example, an external extractor was used, and the barrel in it was already lowered with the help of a beveled groove on its shank (like the High Power pistol). In total, about 10 copies of these pistols of three modifications were produced, and all of them still have a good reputation for their excellent accuracy and reliability. In terms of combat effectiveness, this pistol is superior to revolvers firing the same cartridge, and it surpasses the famous Colt with a larger magazine capacity (albeit only for one cartridge) and increased penetration. It is not surprising that civil self-defense and official use in the police were supposed to be the main market niche for this pistol. But the manufacturer can assume anything, but what the demonstration of the product on the market will show is always a step into the unknown. It's the same with this pistol. A revolver with six charges was more familiar, but a pistol, even if it had 000-7 rounds, was really much more expensive. The M8 Colt was also familiar (and relatively cheap!), Its bullet fell down perfectly, and as for the high armor penetration of the bullets of the new pistol, no one (especially in those years) needed it.


"Kunen" .357 Magnum. View from the left. Photo guns.com

As already noted, Dan Koonan began by creating a magazine capable of reliably feeding fairly long .357 Magnum revolver cartridges that also had a rimmed case, and in this he succeeded. Having a working magazine on hand, Kuhnen cut the frame and bolt and welded inserts into them in the area of ​​​​the handle and the window for ejection of cartridges, and the barrel itself was made anew. In total, three samples were produced: "Model A", a slightly modified version of "Model B", and a compact pistol "Kunen Cadet", which had a shortened handle and a barrel with a bolt.


"Colt" M1911 - below, "Kunan" .357 Magnum - above. Photo forgottenweapons

The design itself differed slightly from the M1911. Traditional automation was used with a short stroke of the barrel and locking with a skew using a swinging earring. Pistols "Model B" and "Cadet" were distinguished by the fact that in the design of their locking unit, the swinging earring was excluded. The trigger mechanism used was a single-action trigger, with an automatic safety on the handle. Accordingly, the manual fuse was located on the frame on the left and assumed the possibility of carrying a weapon with the cocked trigger and the fuse turned on. At the same time, it had a wide shelf, so it was convenient to press it, and it worked with a distinct click. The bolt stop is pushed back for easier right thumb activation.


Koonan .357 Magnum in detail. Photo dailycaller.com

Single-row magazines were used for all samples, first for 7, and later for 8 rounds. "Cadet" had a magazine for 6 rounds. Sights were both unregulated and with adjustable rear sights and aiming at three points.


Patron in the store. Photo forgottenweapons

Coonan's firm also offered a special conversion kit, which included a weakened return spring and magazines with liners, which made it possible to convert pistols chambered for .357 Magnum cartridges to fire shorter (and cheaper!) .38 cartridges. In calibers other than .357 Mag / .38 Spl, Kunen pistols were not produced.


The difference is in the extraction holes of the sleeves. Photo forgottenweapons

The pistol was brought to market in a beautiful nylon foam lined bag along with paperwork and accessories. The pistol itself looked quite nice, had a stainless steel body with a monolithic type receiver. Initially, the Kunen Classic ("Model A") was supplied with walnut grip plates, but later they were made of plastic.


Holster for "Kunen"

The trigger was slightly different from the M1911, as it turns more when pressed than slides back. The trigger has a small effort, which makes shooting from this pistol comfortable and tireless, although its recoil is sharper than that of the Colt M1911A1 chambered in .45. However, it throws it up less than the base pistol and the Colt Python, which is due to the weight and mass of the shutter, which absorb the recoil momentum. But the muzzle flame escapes from it with a real fire torch or fireworks!


Aim devices. Photo forgottenweapons

The Cadet was also very good, which at the time of entering the market was the most powerful among compact pistols. With a 95 mm barrel length, the .357 Magnum cartridge provided a bullet weighing 10,2 g with a speed of 500 m / s, that is, we were talking about 1,275 kJ for a pistol of an almost “pocket” format!

Nevertheless, Koonan's firm eventually went bankrupt, since no one actively bought his pistols. It was an amateur weapon. Well, someone, for example, might especially like to shoot from it in semi-darkness and darkness ...
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  1. +9
    7 August 2022 05: 20
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you! Well written about a unique pistol of its kind. Interestingly, the designer managed to make this weapon much more compact than the well-known Desert Eagle, which also used the 357 Magnum cartridge.
  2. +7
    7 August 2022 06: 44
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. As always, interesting and informative. With good illustrations.
  3. +6
    7 August 2022 08: 15
    Quote: kalibr
    ,

    Vyacheslav, let me correct.
    In Russian, the designer's surname is written without the letter "E".
    Almost like the name of the warrior played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    Coonan = Coonan
    Conan the Barbarian = Conan the Barbarian

    Maxim Popenker writes exactly "Coonan".
    Screenshot from Modern Firearms: Encyclopedia of Modern Firearms

    1. +8
      7 August 2022 10: 02
      The manufacturer's line also included pistols with DTK.
      Called .357 Magnum Compensated

      There are 3 types of coverage to choose from:
      ionbond
      Stainless
      Satin

      Pictured is IonBond coating.
      Prices $1,849 – $2,117



      A Coonan modification chambered for .45ACP was also proposed.
      Coonan pistol chambered in .45 ACP at SHOT Show 2016

    2. +8
      7 August 2022 10: 05
      One of the reasons for the lack of sales could be the price of products.
      Branded Colt in the classic version cost from $ 900.
      And the price of Coonan brand pistols fluctuated in the range of $1,540 - $1,885



  4. +5
    7 August 2022 08: 40
    Vyacheslav hi and how much will such a handsome man cost in rubles?
    1. +7
      7 August 2022 11: 08
      Quote: Thrifty
      how much will such a handsome man cost in rubles

      If at the rate of 60 rubles, then the price of a cheap modification is within 92.400-113.100 rubles + delivery.
  5. +6
    7 August 2022 10: 09
    A very curious example.
    and a rim instead of a groove,

    Judging by the picture, there was both.
  6. +7
    7 August 2022 11: 06
    _But ... despite the complexity of the task, he solved it, and back in 1977, after which he managed to start producing his own pistols a few years later, releasing the first one in 1983. The company, however, did not last long, until 1998, and then in 2009 it was transformed into a new company Coonan Inc., but in the end it still ceased to exist in 2019._
    "In reality, this idea is a vivid example of how not to do business. The gun on the American market did not surprise anyone and the income from sales was meager, and the cost of production was the opposite. Therefore, Coonan sold the company two years later to some Bill Davis and with a gun shop Davis suffered for nine years, but filed for bankruptcy in 1994. The bankruptcy procedure lasted three years, even the name was changed to JS Worldwide Distribution, but this did not save the company and it finally died in 1998. And in 2009 Coonan decided to revive the business , and attracted two more partners. This time, the "life cycle" lasted ten years and in 2019 the company disappeared from the horizon, "thrown on money" a large number of people who invested in pre-orders. Some ordered pistols for $ 20. Such is "pistol"." ©
    1. +4
      7 August 2022 13: 34
      This venture is a prime example of how not to do business.


      A man had a dream, and "America is a country where all dreams come true" wink , but, in this case, unfortunately, it didn’t work out, but the man left his mark on the history of weapons.

      Even if I had money, I wouldn’t even ask the price of this pistol - a monster.
      1. +5
        7 August 2022 13: 45
        You know, Uncle Kostya, that the CZ-75 suits me perfectly.
        1. +4
          7 August 2022 13: 50
          I can't help but agree - it's a great machine. smile
        2. +8
          7 August 2022 14: 59
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          satisfied with CZ-75

          A friend from the special forces owned such a pistol.
          He asked me to get an extra magazine and a holster.

          The Czechs from the corporate website hobbled for a long time, they didn’t let them out under it then.
          A store from Tanfoglio TZ-75 came up.
          Holster too
          1. +4
            7 August 2022 15: 05
            Hello Michael!
            This model is one of the most common in St. Petersburg shooting galleries.
            But the small-caliber "Kadet", met only in one.
            1. +6
              7 August 2022 15: 56
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Hello Michael!

              I don’t go to shooting galleries, but they are often found in private hands.
              A representative of CZ acted in Chisinau.

              And my retired officer friend became the representative of Arsenal Firearms
              1. +4
                7 August 2022 16: 03
                In Russia, private ownership of short barrels is prohibited by law, so we have no options.
                1. +6
                  7 August 2022 16: 18
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  In Russia, private ownership of short barrels is prohibited.

                  I know, like it saves from school shootings
                  1. +4
                    7 August 2022 16: 22
                    It doesn't save, of course.
                2. 0
                  8 August 2022 23: 30
                  There is an absolutely legal and real opportunity to acquire a short barrel in Russia and even carry it with you, but you need to have certain connections in partially recognized states and a decent amount of money)
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          2. +5
            7 August 2022 18: 51
            Hi Michael! smile

            No wonder, because the Tanfoglio TZ-75 "Pre-88" is just a clone of the CZ-75.





            It’s clear that you know all this without me, by the way, I didn’t manage to shoot from Cesetta, I don’t go to shooting galleries, I don’t even know if this model is in Ryazan or not. request
            1. +4
              7 August 2022 19: 53
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Hi Michael!

              hi
              Quote: Sea Cat
              It is clear that you know all this without me

              I found out that this is a clone after the Czech manufacturer could neither help nor suggest me.

              You should have seen how I chose a refrigerator laughing
              But we managed to pick up a store and a holster faster
              1. +4
                7 August 2022 20: 01
                Our spouse chooses refrigerators, I myself would not risk it. laughing
                1. +4
                  7 August 2022 20: 18
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Our spouse chooses refrigerators

                  I am a techie and IT guy.
                  I am in charge of home appliances.
                  1. +3
                    7 August 2022 20: 31
                    I also do it, technology, because there is no one else, but computers, this is Masha. smile
            2. +4
              7 August 2022 20: 04
              I found such an option in Ryazan shooting galleries

              2- CZ 75 SP-01
              1. +3
                7 August 2022 20: 16
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                thiram found this option

                And I quickly found this from our shooting gallery
                https://999.md/ru/34085333
                1. +5
                  7 August 2022 20: 39
                  Well, what can I say, for the short barrel - richly!
                  I was interested in the following phrase: "We conduct individual classes with children aged 14 and over." In Russia, up to eighteen firearms in a shooting range - not my God! Pneumatic only!
                  1. +1
                    8 August 2022 18: 08
                    In Russia, up to eighteen firearms in a shooting range - not my God! Pneumatic only!

                    Good afternoon, Anton!
                    From 14 to 18 small caliber firearms are allowed.
                    Here are my younger sons:


                    The youngest is 14, in the hands of a bullpap AUG, the second is 17, firing from an M4.

                    My regards hi
                    1. +1
                      8 August 2022 18: 31
                      Hello Michael!
                      Here, apparently, the question is the richness of the arsenal of the shooting gallery and its legal bias. In St. Petersburg, this is not seen, alas.
                      1. +1
                        8 August 2022 19: 05
                        the question is the richness of the arsenal of the shooting range and its legal commitment.


                        Nope. In the Weapons Act wink
                      2. +1
                        8 August 2022 20: 11
                        You see, there is a law on weapons, there are local laws and "there are people who sit on the pipe, and there are people who need money" (C) Unlike the character of the popular Viktor Tsoi, I understand "who is sitting on the pipe" and who regulates power and law in the city
                      3. +1
                        8 August 2022 23: 54
                        I understand "who is sitting on the pipe", and who regulates the power and law in the city

                        Gloomy picture...
                      4. +1
                        9 August 2022 16: 56
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        You see, there is a law on weapons, there are local laws and "there are people who sit on the pipe, and there are people who need money" (C) Unlike the character of the popular Viktor Tsoi, I understand "who is sitting on the pipe" and who regulates power and law in the city

                        For a long time I somehow communicated with several top managers of Gazprom - bulletproof anoraks with the inscription Russia and a pistol in an inside pocket. So you are absolutely right about "who regulates the power and the law ...".
                2. +2
                  7 August 2022 20: 52
                  By the way, Mikhail, how much do Para 9x19 cartridges cost in Chisinau today?
                  1. +1
                    8 August 2022 06: 59
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Are Para 9x19 ammo worth it?

                    I do not know how relevant the prices are, here is the site.
                    Course 1 lei = 3,15 rubles
                    https://voentorg.md/product-category/ammo/
                    1. +1
                      8 August 2022 07: 08
                      Made a presentation.
                      Thank you Michael!
                      1. +1
                        8 August 2022 07: 21
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Thank you Michael!

                        Please.
                        Does your nickname symbolize something?
                      2. 0
                        8 August 2022 07: 36
                        Yes, it has remained since the time of hobby for computer toys. I pressed "x" or "z" three times, clicked "save" ... From "wasd", again, not far. Pure motor skills. Taking into account that at the same time I registered on the network for the first time, it happened. Now, after 20 years, it has become an alter ego.
                      3. +1
                        8 August 2022 08: 23
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        computer toys

                        Clear.
                        In my time, I was pretty good at COD UO.
                        True, my nickname was Pianist
                      4. 0
                        8 August 2022 08: 30
                        I'm mainly into strategy: Stronghold, Behind enemy lines... Well, I started like everyone else with Doom and Warcraft.
                      5. +1
                        8 August 2022 08: 54
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Strategy

                        In Kazachkov spilil, Warcraft, StarCraft
                        Serious Sam
              2. +3
                7 August 2022 20: 17
                Thank you for the information, but, as they say, "he's a dick, but who will give him" laughing I don’t have much money, and every trip to the city is hard for me. Such are the things. request
                1. +3
                  7 August 2022 20: 30
                  Uncle, let me give you a gift certificate of this shooting range?
                  1. +3
                    7 August 2022 20: 36
                    Thanks Anton, but don't. Honestly, I’m not burning with a great desire, not only that I’ve cooled down, but when I think that I need to drag myself into the city, well, well, in FIG. You better write to me what I should read from combat fiction, you seem to have already written, but everything has gone somewhere. You know my preferences, so write on soap one of these days. And to shoot at the shooting range... come here with Mikola and pull me out by the scruff of the neck. smile
                    1. +3
                      7 August 2022 20: 45
                      come here with Mikola and pull me by the collar
                      Kolya does not respect the "post-shooting", I gave him a similar certificate for his birthday 3 years ago, he happily fell in love with it.
                      1. +3
                        7 August 2022 20: 50
                        Well, okay, Masha will be entertained while you and I will make holes in the targets, although she herself will not refuse to shoot. smile
  7. +1
    7 August 2022 17: 06
    With a 95 mm barrel length, the .357 Magnum cartridge provided a bullet weighing 10,2 g with a speed of 500 m / s, that is, we were talking about 1,275 kJ for a pistol of an almost “pocket” format!

    You need to cut the sturgeon, on a 4 "barrel a 158 gr (10,2 g) bullet has a speed of 375-400 m / s and energy up to 850 j.
  8. +1
    7 August 2022 19: 08
    beautiful pistol
  9. +1
    7 August 2022 23: 03
    Why was it necessary to fence the garden with a revolving cartridge when there is an excellent 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol cartridge with at least no worse ballistics?
    1. 0
      10 August 2022 17: 47
      And then why didn’t they do it in the Russian Federation under this cartridge of a revolver? Strange though...