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Ukraine received SAM Stormer HVM

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One of the Stormer HVM air defense systems that came to Ukraine


Back in the spring, Great Britain promised to help Ukraine with the supply of modern anti-aircraft weapons. In particular, they talked about the imminent transfer of a certain number of Stormer HVM self-propelled missile systems. The wait was seriously delayed, and such combat vehicles entered the combat zone only in mid-July. However, by this time it became clear that the British anti-aircraft systems are not distinguished by high performance or combat qualities.

Months of waiting


In mid-March, the UK Department of Defense announced that it would soon transfer a large number of Starstreak portable air defense systems to the Ukrainian army, and also organize the training of operators. The possibility of sending other anti-aircraft systems was also not ruled out.

In mid-April, the British press revealed new details of the ongoing processes. It was reported that two weeks earlier, at one of the training grounds of the Ukrainian delegation, a self-propelled near-zone air defense system Stormer HVM was demonstrated. As a result of this event, Prime Minister Boris Johnson ordered the preparation and transfer of a number of such complexes to Ukraine.

On April 25, this information received official confirmation from Secretary of Defense Ben Wallace. According to him, the delivery of Stormers is really being prepared, and this step will give the Ukrainian army new opportunities. At the same time, the number of equipment and the timing of its transfer were not reported.


Interior habitable compartment

For the next three months, Stormer HVM air defense systems disappeared from News. Only in the twentieth of July, the British Ministry of Defense announced the transfer of six combat vehicles and several hundred Starstreak missiles to the ally for them. Literally the next day, the first photos of this technique appeared on Ukrainian resources.

One of the published images shows a self-propelled air defense system in a makeshift parking lot among trees and under a camouflage net. The second photo was taken inside the combat vehicle and shows the crew at their workplaces, as well as the ammunition load. It is easy to see that in both cases the complex is not on combat duty.

Thus, there is already reason to believe that the Stormer HVM air defense systems have already entered the combat zone. At the same time, information about the combat use of such equipment and its missiles against the Russian aviation have not yet arrived. Perhaps they continue to hide it in camouflaged positions in order to avoid losses. And while such a “plan” justifies itself, no losses among the Stormers were reported either.

Technical potential


The Stormer HVM product is a near-field tracked self-propelled air defense system designed for use in military air defense. He is able to accompany troops on the march and in places of concentration, search for and hit various types of air targets. With its help, it is proposed to protect troops from aircraft and helicopters, which the operator can observe.


British air defense system on exercises

The air defense system is built on the chassis of the Stormer serial armored personnel carrier developed by Alvis. It is a tracked vehicle with anti-bullet / anti-fragmentation armor. A 250 hp diesel engine is placed in front of such a hull, giving high mobility and cross-country characteristics. The main volume of the hull, which was originally the troop compartment, is used to accommodate operators and ammunition.

An anti-aircraft weapon station is located on the roof of the Stormer HVM. This is a rotary device with two rocking blocks, each of which is equipped with four missile transport and launch containers. Also on the combat module there is an optical-electronic system with a laser channel for searching for targets and controlling missiles. The module is controlled remotely, from the operator's workplace inside the case.

The Stormer air defense system uses guided missiles from the portable Starstreak complex. Such a rocket has a length of 1,4 m with a diameter of 130 mm and a launch weight of 14 kg. The rocket is made two-stage: the first stage is a solid-propellant engine for acceleration to a speed of about 4M. The second, combat stage is made in the form of three separate combat elements with their own guidance systems. Each element weighs approx. 900 g and carries 450 g of explosive.

Guidance is used on the principle of flight in the beam. The automation of the complex illuminates the target, and the missile or submunitions are held in the beam and hit the target. The declared firing range is 7 km. Reach in height - the same 7 km.

Threats and problems


From a technical point of view, the British Stormer HVM air defense system is a good example of its class. It has some positive qualities that can increase combat effectiveness, but it is not without objective shortcomings. However, in order to realize all the positive potential and leveling problems, a competent organization of service and operation is necessary.


Launcher for Starstreak missiles

The Stormer HVM air defense system is built on the basis of a concept popular abroad, which provides for the installation of missiles for MANPADS on a self-propelled chassis. Due to this, mobility is increased, the ammunition load ready for use is increased, it becomes possible to install a full-fledged OES and other devices, etc. At the same time, all the characteristics of the rocket are preserved, and there is also no need to develop a new ammunition.

The British "Stormer" is distinguished by a high degree of automation of combat systems. Also, the positive qualities include a fairly large ammunition load - 8 missiles on the launcher and 8 inside the hull with the possibility of quick replacement.

The combat vehicle has only optical search/guidance aids. This means that during operation, it does not unmask itself with radar signals and does not give out its location. It can remain invisible until almost the moment the rocket is launched. Guidance along the laser beam is characterized by high noise immunity. At the same time, unlike the portable complex, the combat vehicle has automatic equipment to keep the laser beam on the target. This reduces the likelihood of guidance failure due to the fault of the air defense system itself.

However, the main disadvantages of the Stormer HVM air defense system are associated with the chosen means of search and guidance. The machine has only one laser, which is why you can only fire at one target at a time. Guidance is carried out only under the condition of direct visibility of the target. The range of detection, tracking and firing directly depends on weather conditions. The same applies to the laser illumination of an air target, as well as the reception of the beam by the rocket instruments.

The self-propelled complex is built on the basis of a missile from MANPADS, which has a limited range and height of destruction. Developed countries are armed with aviation weapons with a launch range of more than 7 km. With the help of such missiles or bombs, enemy aircraft can destroy the Stormer HVM without risk to themselves.


Start of a rocket

There are other problems associated with limited range. So, the air defense system of the near zone cannot work independently. It should be part of a large multi-component military air defense, including radar equipment, fighter aircraft and ground-based air defense systems. In the absence of one or another component, the effectiveness of such defense is sharply reduced. A single Stormer HVM is virtually useless against a properly organized attack.

All these negative factors are fully manifested in the case of Ukraine. Moreover, new problems and limitations are added. Thus, only six Stormers were transferred to the Ukrainian army, which is not enough to restore or re-equip military air defense. Their calculations have undergone accelerated and reduced training, and also have no work experience. Their opponent is the Russian Aerospace Forces, well-equipped, armed and experienced.

It should also be remembered that Starstreak missiles have been delivered to Ukraine since March and were allegedly used extensively on the battlefield. However, evidence of any success of such weapons missing. Practice has shown that Russian planes and helicopters are capable of dealing with such a threat or moving away from it. There is every reason to believe that the transfer of these missiles to a self-propelled platform will not be able to fundamentally change the situation.

Formal help


Thus, the recent delivery of British air defense systems to Ukraine has a number of curious features that give it a specific and dubious appearance. So, they promised to transfer the equipment back in April, but real deliveries took place only three months later. Only six cars were allocated, which is extremely small against the backdrop of recent Ukrainian losses. Finally, the delivered Stormer HVM systems with Starstreak missiles have limited capabilities and performance - and this also reduces the potential for British assistance.

As a result, the supply of British air defense systems will have no practical effect and will not help the Kyiv regime. Despite this, the UK gets the opportunity to once again demonstrate its commitment to the general ideas of NATO and to indicate support for the Kyiv regime. And this time, such tasks can be solved at the cost of only six not the newest air defense systems.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 2 August 2022 05: 20
    +27
    The pumping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with different-caliber NATO weapons also has a specific goal ... NATO members want to assess its suitability for fighting the Russian army.
    Two in one...Ukronats are killing Russians and their Ukrainians with the help of NATO weapons...the dream of the Anglo-Saxons has come true...two Slavic peoples are being destroyed without the direct participation of the British.
    1. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 2 August 2022 05: 49
      -2
      Does Putin fulfill the dreams of the Anglo-Saxons?
      Who is he then?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 August 2022 06: 35
        +4
        The one who gave the guys the opportunity to reset the creatures.
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 2 August 2022 06: 59
        +10
        Quote: S-Semenov
        Does Putin fulfill the dreams of the Anglo-Saxons?
        Who is he then?

        Incorrect unswer...
        Putin disentangles the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
        The first gave rise to NATO's advance to the East.
        The second destroyed the security system of Russia ... withdrew our troops from the GDR and the Warsaw Pact countries.
        As a result, NATO members began to settle in Ukraine with an eye on Moscow.
        After that, war became inevitable.
        Now we will either defeat the Ukronazis and expel NATO instructors from Ukraine, or we will be defeated with the prospect of being in the place of Serbia.
        No middle ground.
        I am for the first option.
        1. Civil
          Civil 2 August 2022 07: 07
          +8
          6 pieces is not a lot, the small Britons are testing their systems on the battlefield, however, even one downed our aircraft will pay for this delivery, and this is not good ...
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 5 August 2022 16: 17
            0
            At the expense of "escort on the march" this is beautifully said. It remains to be clarified who will give the Nazis the opportunity to lead their "columns" in "marches"? .. Without the "supervision" of the Aerospace Forces and RTR of the Russian Armed Forces? ..

            Which will decide on the place and time of the termination, both of the "march" and the "escort" ...

            Masking weapons and military equipment, of course, is necessary. But here, it seems, the main task of the air defense systems of the islanders among the Kyiv Nazis will not be "fighting the airborne forces" of Russia, THERE, THEN and WHERE it is NECESSARY. And playing hide and seek with them ...

            They will be able to survive in such a game for a while. But to "win"...

            Yes, and with a developed RTR of the opposing side, I believe that there is no need to "turn on" the radar to detect air defense systems. It is enough to simply turn on the "power" of his avionics.
            The radiation will be "any way". The same "self-diagnostic algorithms" that continuously monitor the state of the systems and components of the ENTIRE air defense system ... Of course, it is not so intense, but it is quite detectable.

            Yes, and an elementary "fuel supply" must be provided, for REAL mobility and "escort of columns" ...

            By the way, I notice again that the Kiev "" (you can't call it otherwise ...) in the photo, "sort of like", is in military uniform. And it works for "media lenses". But a pen in your pocket...

            Is it with them, ALL, that has already become an element of "martial bearing"? ..
        2. The comment was deleted.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 2 August 2022 07: 53
            +3
            Don't worry so... smile the Ukronats will be defeated...NATO in Ukraine will not be allowed to gain a foothold...Russia will objectively win this battle with the Anglo-Saxons.
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 2 August 2022 13: 55
                -7
                it is possible that lend-lease will be canceled due to hostilities in Taiwan
        3. TreeSmall
          TreeSmall 2 August 2022 10: 21
          +10
          Putin disentangles the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
          The first gave rise to the promotion of NATO

          -Congratulations from Putin Gorbachev:
          http://kremlin.ru/events/president/letters/65083
          / and he SIGNIFICANTLY increased his pension /
          And Medvedev generally awarded him the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called in 2011
          -Yeltsin center and all sorts of tasty buns for Naina and her family.
          -NATO. Let me remind you: in 2004 the Baltics were accepted into NATO, and in 2012 the "NATO base" in Ulyanovsk.
          No middle ground.

          Yeah.
          They stole the country's money, closed their ports and skies to our ships and planes, banned athletes, artists and the participation of dogs and cats in exhibitions, they supply weapons with which they kill our soldiers, direct missiles at our ships, and we give them gas, oil, nickel , titanium.
          What is the third one?
          1. Mustached Kok
            Mustached Kok 2 August 2022 13: 10
            +10
            Believe me, it's hard to explain here that most of our problems are leadership problems. But the "leadership" is not some abstract officials bought by the Americans who commit atrocities. Leadership is the entire management apparatus, including Pu. Pu and his friends, the oligarchs, determine the policy of the country and the problems caused by this policy, they throw off on "Western influence". Yeah, did the State Department accept the retirement age?

            And what's most interesting. Even here, on topwar, there are many articles describing problems and crises in various sectors of the country. They describe the crisis of education, they describe the crisis of heavy industry, the crisis of judiciary, the lack of highly qualified personnel, and so on. etc.
            And all these articles are generally accepted positively and with ideas that it needs to be corrected. But as soon as someone, in EXACTLY THE SAME article, mentions that the problem stems from the POLICY of the country's LEADERSHIP, then there is denial and attempts to say "Problem? What problems? There are no problems, you are not a patriot!".

            The most revealing thing I have seen lately is the denial of reality in articles about domestic science. Before the SVO, there were many articles (probably since the 2010s), and not only here but also on other portals and resources, that domestic science in most areas is catching up. Domestic scientists cannot do as much research in their fields here in the country as they can do abroad. There were so many articles that science lacked funding, that there were not enough laboratories and other equipment. Many scientists are forced to be employed in scientific groups of other countries, due to the fact that in our country there is no research on the topics that the scientist is engaged in. How many have written that many scientists and professors do not have enough salaries to provide for their families. How many have written about the fact that modern science is completely based on international cooperation, but because of the lack of development of scientific platforms in our country. All our participation in international science comes down to the fact that our professors in European or American universities teach their future specialists and sometimes participate in their research. Nobody comes to US to do science, because there is nothing to do it (except for the industry related to nuclear physics).
            And all the people who saw and read these articles confirmed that there would be no progress without science. Many tried to find solutions to problems so that science would flourish.

            But as soon as the NWO began, domestic science was on the verge of being isolated from the world. And many scientists, whose work is necessary for modern science, as they work in fundamental areas that determine universal human development, have found themselves in a situation where they cannot conduct joint research abroad, and there are still no adequate scientific platforms and programs for work inside the country. That is why many scientists have written a letter explaining that an isolated science is not a science.
            And what did the citizens do that until recently agreed with the plight of science in the country - right, without exception they were declared traitors who should not be listened to. All the memories of the facts that the modern leadership did not develop the scientific industry in any way, it only stagnated, and how our scientists had to dodge for decades in order to continue to promote world science, seemed to have instantly disappeared in their heads. But due to the fact that they forgot this, in their eyes it looks like the scientists lived well and did not complain, but as soon as the SVO began, they immediately became dissatisfied, although you see, "they live at the expense of the state and still complain" ( this is a direct quote from one of the people here on VO).
            1. TreeSmall
              TreeSmall 2 August 2022 18: 05
              -1
              Quote: Mustache Cock
              judicial crisis

              belay
              However ... for a person who wrote so many beeches, and who expresses himself in rather complex constructions, this is a blunder.

              I'm assuming it's the phone's AI or the T9?
              / Oiza Peskova will not let you lie
              drinks
        4. Mustached Kok
          Mustached Kok 2 August 2022 12: 44
          +1
          Putin disentangles the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

          It disentangles the betrayal that the Yeltsin Center supported from the budget, where they talk about how bad it was in the past, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin came, and how they brought a bright future to Russia. Pu himself said many times that he was Yeltsin's successor.
          The first gave a start to the promotion of NATO to the East

          And under Pu, previously neutral Sweden and Finland are now on the direct path to NATO, while under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, no matter how terrible the Soviet / Russian-American relations would be. Neutral Sweden and Finland remained neutral.
          The second destroyed the security system of Russia ... withdrew our troops from the GDR and countries

          Again, we recall the words of Pu that Yeltsin did everything right, defended democracy. Yes, and they like to remember and talk about the "betrayal" of the GDR only in reports and programs focused on domestic broadcasting for citizens. And if you look at what they say in the leadership at the international level, they rejoice there at the "unification" of Germany. And the boys with the right messages are sent to Berlin.
          As a result, NATO began to settle in Ukraine with an eye on Moscow

          Until 2008, while the Russian leadership did not try to spread its economic influence on other countries, Ukraine did not care. Talk about "Ukraine is being settled by NATO in order to attack Russia" begins when in the economic battle of our oligarchs in Ukraine against the European oligarchs, it ends with the loss of ours. The usual Oligarchic war, Ukraine and the population is not important, only victory in the market competition is important.
        5. not main
          not main 3 August 2022 00: 30
          0
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The first gave rise to NATO's advance to the East.
          The second destroyed the security system of Russia ... withdrew our troops from the GDR and the Warsaw Pact countries.

          Wrong message! The withdrawal of troops was started by Gorbachev and Shevardnadze in 1990! He himself was a participant in this shame! YUGV if interested, but from Germany came out more humane!
  2. Third district
    Third district 2 August 2022 05: 32
    +27
    With this author, as always, all the weapons that arrived in Ukraine are bad and useless. If not for the help and support of NATO, the war would have ended by now. And most likely it never started.
    1. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 2 August 2022 05: 52
      -12
      Mdaaaa..
      If even in the top leadership of the Russian Federation they talk like you do, then it's a seam
    2. saigon
      saigon 2 August 2022 05: 57
      +1
      Whether or not they would start a war, these are already nuances of definitions.
      In fact, the horses were already waging a war against people, deliveries or not, the point is that the adherents of the Great Banderland sect hate normal people.
      And to think that without Western help the databases would have already ended is not true.
      The haze disappears when those infected with this haze are completely destroyed.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 August 2022 07: 57
      +1
      NATO did not transfer even 10% of what dill already had.
      1. Third district
        Third district 2 August 2022 12: 10
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        NATO did not transfer even 10% of what dill already had.

        I often watch videos made by Chechen fighters and LDNR fighters. On the abandoned positions of the Sumerians, all they find are gifts from the west. Starting from dry rations and body armor and ending with grenade launchers and armored personnel carriers. Not to mention drones from around the world and satellite reconnaissance.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 August 2022 13: 10
          -1
          They bought grenade launchers, etc. even before the NWO. And we saw armored personnel carriers. Even if we take 10 batches of 10 armored personnel carriers, it is still insignificant against the background of at least a couple of thousand only deployed armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to the NWO.
  3. 28st region
    28st region 2 August 2022 05: 45
    0
    Strange SAM. Laser beam guidance.
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 2 August 2022 06: 46
      +13
      Quote: 28st region
      Strange SAM. Laser beam guidance.

      This method of guidance is called "laser trail" and it is used in the domestic complex "Sosna". For short-range air defense systems, this method is not bad. Missiles with such a guidance system are absolutely insensitive to thermal and radar interference. In addition, the air defense system does not unmask itself by the operation of the radar and radio range finder. The only serious drawback is the deterioration of performance in conditions of low atmospheric transparency.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 August 2022 07: 57
        -6
        And I have doubts about the effectiveness of the adjustment, about any sharp maneuvering of the target. Since mechanical actuators must have some kind of signal for adjustment, but there is no radar. That is, the system is effective, at least in theory, only if the target goes directly to it.
        1. Toucan
          Toucan 2 August 2022 09: 05
          +3
          Quote: EvilLion
          And I have doubts about the effectiveness of the adjustment, about any sharp maneuvering of the target. Since mechanical actuators must have some kind of signal for adjustment, but there is no radar. That is, the system is effective, at least in theory, only if the target goes directly to it.

          Have you heard about OLS with a thermal imaging channel?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 2 August 2022 13: 11
            -4
            And is it there? Our systems have. And here is a missile from a MANPADS controlled by an operator.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 2 August 2022 10: 26
          +7
          Quote: EvilLion
          And I have doubts about the effectiveness of the adjustment, about any sharp maneuvering of the target. Since mechanical actuators must have some kind of signal for adjustment, but there is no radar. That is, the system is effective, at least in theory, only if the target goes directly to it.

          This complex has a passive infrared system for searching and tracking air targets ADAD (Air Defense Alerting Device). The target detection range of the "fighter" type is about 15 km, of the "combat helicopter" type - about 8 km. The advantages of Starstreak missiles include their insensitivity to widely used means of countering MANPADS - heat traps, high flight speed and the presence of three independent warheads. The disadvantages are the need to track the target with a laser beam throughout the flight path of the missile defense system and the sensitivity of the laser guidance system to the state of the atmosphere and interference in the form of a smoke or aerosol screen.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 2 August 2022 13: 11
            -1
            The IR system is insensitive to heat traps. OK. The men don't know.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 2 August 2022 13: 26
              +7
              Quote: EvilLion
              The IR system is insensitive to heat traps. OK. The men don't know.

              Are you serious or are you pretending? Do you really not understand the difference between an IR-GOS and an optoelectronic guidance system with a television and IR channel?
              1. runway-1
                runway-1 2 August 2022 16: 54
                +1
                He does not need to understand, he has another task ...
          2. solar
            solar 2 August 2022 13: 28
            +2
            The rocket has command guidance, that is, it will be insensitive to aerosol or smoke interference that the target sets - it will still be aimed at the matrix formed by two lasers
            the need to track the target with a laser beam along the entire flight path of the SAM

            Estimated flight time to the target is a maximum of 7-8 seconds.
            >> Mach 3+ velocity (eg. 3.5 secs flight time to 3km)

            https://web.archive.org/web/20160108235434/https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/Thales%20HVMII%2011_10.pdf
      2. solar
        solar 2 August 2022 11: 35
        +2
        It does not have a simple laser path, the system is much more complex, optimized specifically against air targets.

        The rear assembly of each dart also houses the guidance electronics including a rearwards facing sensor.

        The darts do not home in on laser energy reflected from the target; instead, the aiming unit projects two laser beams which paint a two-dimensional matrix upon the target. The lasers are modulated, and by examining these modulations the sub-munitions sensor can determine the dart's location within the matrix. The dart is then steered to keep it in the center of the matrix. The sub-munitions steer by briefly decelerating the rotating fore-body with a clutch. The front wings then steer the missile in the appropriate direction. The three sub-munitions fly in a formation about 1.5 meters (4.9 ft) in radius, and have enough kinetic energy to manoeuvre to meet a target evading at 9 g at 7,000 meters (23,000 ft) altitude.

        The rear of each dart also houses the guidance electronics, including a rear-facing sensor.
        Darts do not target laser energy reflected from a target; instead, the targeting unit projects two laser beams that draw a two-dimensional matrix on the target. The lasers are modulated, and by examining these modulations, the submunition sensor can determine the location of the dart in the matrix. The dart is then guided so that it remains in the center of the matrix. The submunitions are steered by short-term braking of the rotating nose by means of a clutch. The front wings then guide the rocket in the right direction. The three submunitions fly in formation with a radius of about 1,5 meters (4,9 ft) and have enough kinetic energy to maneuver to meet a 9 g evasive target at 7000 meters (23000 ft).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstreak#Advantages
        For MANPADS, darts have very high speed and energy, the maximum flight time to the target is a matter of seconds, and a very high overload capacity.
  4. IVZ
    IVZ 2 August 2022 05: 47
    +11
    The short range of short-range air defense systems cannot be considered as a disadvantage. It simply occupies its niche (it is one of the elements) in a properly organized air defense system. I hope for the difficulties of integrating the Ukrainian Nazis into the air defense. The Starstreak air defense system has an unpleasant feature - the ability to hit ground targets, incl. LBT.
    1. 28st region
      28st region 2 August 2022 06: 05
      +2
      Quote: IVZ
      The Starstreak air defense system has an unpleasant feature - the ability to hit ground targets, incl. LBT.

      Any MANPADS has such an unpleasant feature.
      1. S-Semenov
        S-Semenov 2 August 2022 06: 09
        0
        Then it's useless anyway.
        1. 28st region
          28st region 2 August 2022 06: 13
          +4
          Of course. There are drawbacks, but what weapon does not have them.
      2. Toucan
        Toucan 2 August 2022 06: 50
        +3
        Quote: 28st region
        Any MANPADS has such an unpleasant feature.

        MANPADS with IR-GOS cannot hit ground targets. No.
        1. solar
          solar 2 August 2022 11: 37
          +2
          He does not have an IR seeker, he does not have a seeker at all, but command guidance.
        2. 28st region
          28st region 3 August 2022 05: 09
          +1
          Are you serious?
          The head will capture the target and forward. And it captures even a burning match from 100 meters.
      3. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 2 August 2022 17: 26
        0
        Any MANPADS has such an unpleasant feature.

        No
        1. 28st region
          28st region 3 August 2022 05: 19
          +1
          What is the difference between the IR GOS MANPADS from the IR GOS, for example, the KAB-250S bombs
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 3 August 2022 09: 42
            -3
            And what kind of bomb KAB-250S with IR seeker?
            I know the KAB-250S air bomb guided by satellite signals. What does the "C" mean?
            It seems to me that you are confusing the capabilities of an infrared sensor and a photocontrast IR sensor.
  5. S-Semenov
    S-Semenov 2 August 2022 05: 56
    +7
    *** As a result, the supply of British air defense systems will have no practical effect and will not help the Kyiv regime. ***
    Maybe it is so .. But I remember on February 24 our helicopters just didn’t fly over Khreshchatyk and landed troops, and the planes cut through the air dashingly .. But right now, nothing is heard about aviation at all ..
    Sometimes - *with cabling*
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 August 2022 06: 40
      -7
      Another bot is looking for a win))) Do you want me to please the pilots of the swine-luftwafe here with losses this month?) Majors born in 95 damn it)
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        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 August 2022 06: 50
          -5
          I'm not sorry) our videoconferencing strikes every day. Literally. What did these air defenses shoot down there?))) Do you really think that you can surprise someone with stupidity here?)
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 August 2022 08: 23
      -5
      And why does our aviation need to fly over Kyiv when there is work in the Donbass? Of course, you don't hear anything there. Bye.
      1. S-Semenov
        S-Semenov 2 August 2022 09: 00
        +4
        So it’s not very noticeable over the Donbas either ..
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 August 2022 13: 13
          -5
          So you are sitting in Kyiv, how will you see in the Donbass? True, it is really small, the regulations require 2 times more sorties, there is simply nowhere to take it from, we are not yet as rich as the United States.
          1. S-Semenov
            S-Semenov 2 August 2022 13: 40
            +3
            In general, I’m sitting in the Urals .. And what happened at the beginning and what is now, vizhk on entornets
  6. Leshak
    Leshak 2 August 2022 06: 10
    +2
    Shitty news. This complex is another problem for our VKS. And this problem should not be underestimated.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 August 2022 06: 36
      -3
      It was brought in a month ago. Have you learned a lot about its capabilities during this time?
      1. Leshak
        Leshak 2 August 2022 07: 22
        +10
        Quote: carstorm 11
        It was brought in a month ago. Have you learned a lot about its capabilities during this time?

        Five months of NWO, have you heard a lot about our losses in equipment and drugs?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 August 2022 07: 53
          -7
          Yes. I know and heard. This is my question as it cancels?
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 August 2022 08: 14
          -4
          Considering that the savages, having killed the bear, will dance around it all night, but with the provision of the wreckage of downed planes, the savages have complete seams, I doubt that the Air Force will notice this problem at all.
  7. IVZ
    IVZ 2 August 2022 06: 30
    +4
    Quote: 28st region
    Any MANPADS has such an unpleasant feature.

    We are talking about the possibility of hitting ground targets.
    Not any. Almost all have restrictions on the minimum height of hitting targets and the warhead is predominantly fragmentation rather than penetrating type. In addition, guidance along the "laser path" has a significantly higher noise immunity compared to the IR seeker.
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 August 2022 06: 35
    +15
    Strange reasoning from "some" authors! If this is a NATO "laser-beam" air defense system, then it's not ...(The delivered Stormer HVM systems with Starstreak missiles have limited capabilities and characteristics). And if the Russian "laser-beam" air defense system ("Pine-R", "Ledum", "Ptitselov"), then "having no analogue in the world"!

    STORMER HVM

    ZRK "PTITSELOV" ( Ledum)
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 August 2022 08: 32
      -8
      I may not understand something, but I don’t see any automation in the Starstreak, it’s a stupid missile for MANPADS, which, when launched from the shoulder, the operator must guide while keeping the sight on the target. The "pine" has an optical system, that is, it sees the sky, and automatically accompanies the target.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 2 August 2022 08: 46
        +9
        You read the article badly .. they have the same goal maintenance ..
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 August 2022 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        Maybe I don't understand something...

        I agree ... Feel the "difference" ... or its absence!
        Stormer HVM Stormer HVM is a self-propelled air defense system on a tracked chassis, designed for military air defense of the near zone. On the roof of the Stormer HVM hull, a specially designed launcher with a turntable and two oscillating packages for missile containers is mounted. The design of the installation and its devices ensures the launch of missiles in any direction with different elevation angles.

        The air defense system also has an optical-electronic station, and two options were used. The first one is large and is made in a separate case, which is located on the roof of the car. The second ECO is made in the form of a compact "ball" and is located on the launcher. The thermal imager of the complex detects a helicopter at a distance of 8 km, and an aircraft -18 km ... » ) uses a modified Starstreak MANPADS. The launcher accommodates eight TPKs with missiles of this type. Instead of a portable control unit, the ECO and equipment inside the armored hull are used. At the same time, the principles of operation of the complex have not fundamentally changed.

        The Starstreak missile has a sustainer stage with a solid propellant engine and a combat stage in the form of three separate homing submunitions. Each such element is a tungsten "dart" with a penetrating and fragmentation effect. The length of the rocket in the launch configuration is 1,4 m, weight is 14 kg. The combat element weighs 900 g. The maximum speed of the "darts" exceeds 3M. Flight range, depending on modification, 5-7 km.

        Guidance of combat elements is carried out in a semi-automatic mode according to the principle of flight along the beam. The OES of the complex accompanies the target and directs a control laser beam at it. Elements are held in it and fly to the target. In the case of Stormer HVM, unlike the basic MANPADS, part of the operations when pointing the missile was transferred to automation.

        The Stormer HVM launcher has eight missiles - four in two packages. 12 more are stored in the aft compartment of the hull. Martlet zur can be used. Reloading the installation is done manually. The removal of empty TPKs and the installation of new ones take several minutes and are carried out by the crew. The auxiliary weapons of the Stormer-a ("Attack") include two sets of smoke grenade launchers and the crew's personal weapons. Besides, on board there is a regular launcher for MANPADS "Starstreak". If necessary, it can be used with TPK and missiles from the general ammunition.
        SAM "Ptitselov": The new air defense system ensures the defeat of targets not only in positions, but also on the move. The combat vehicle is equipped with precise navigation equipment, a radio station, equipment for receiving and transmitting data to a battery control center. It carries 12 small-sized anti-aircraft missiles and is equipped with a high-precision optoelectronic control system protected from interference. The air defense system control system is fully automated, the crew of the combat vehicle is two people. It can be used both in standalone mode and as part of a unit.

        The most high-tech element of the new complex is the anti-interference optical-electronic control system (OECS). The Sosna differs from the previous generation of air defense systems in equipment with a continuous sensitivity diagram. Such systems are able to “see” aerodynamic objects in detail at a distance of up to 30 km, including small-sized weapons of 8–10 km, to recognize and classify them. Optoelectronic system "Sosny" is self-sufficient, with the necessary range of information channels, its own stabilization system, automatic guidance system and digital computing system. It provides detection, automatic capture, tracking, measurement of angular coordinates and range, as well as guidance of the information field of the laser-beam control channel on the target at any time of the day under the action of organized and natural interference, including against the background of clouds, local objects and lines horizon. Operation in difficult weather conditions is achieved by using a highly sensitive thermal imaging channel that reacts little to fog and smoke.

        Anti-aircraft guided missile "Sosna-R" - bicaliber (130 and 72 mm), consists of a sustainer stage (projectile) and a detachable solid-propellant low-smoke solid-fuel engine with a short operating time (launch booster). Flight weight 29–30 kg, with transport and launch container 39–42 kg. The defeat of a target maneuvering along the course and height is ensured by accurately tracking its location, the ability to perform “turns” with large overloads (up to forty units) and the use of special control algorithms implemented in the on-board electronic computer.

        The maximum launch range is 10 km, the height of the destruction of an air target is 5 km, the maximum speed is over 900 m / s. The system with narrow guidance fields provides high accuracy of hitting, thanks to which it is able to intercept aircraft, helicopters, UAVs, cruise missiles, guided bombs and other small targets
        PS In addition to the option for the Airborne Forces (based on the BMD-4M), an option for the "army" (based on the BMP-3) is being considered ... The development of a more "powerful" missile for the "ground" troops is not ruled out!
        And the "wabche" ... zur 9M340 is already the second missile for the Sosna-R (Ledum) project ... and there are several "pieces" of different "chassis"! For this air defense system has been "developed" somewhere, for at least 15 years!
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 August 2022 13: 21
          -3
          i.e. IR target search. The rocket is stupid, where the spot is, it flies there. For some reason, this system is claimed to be insensitive to heat traps.

          We have both IR and optical contrast against the sky (TV channel). In general, the imported miracle gun looks rather faded.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 2 August 2022 11: 09
      +5
      Good morning, Nikolayevich.
      Be careful about the authors! I spent three months "without the right to visit the site" for such seditious statements!) laughing
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 August 2022 11: 30
        +4
        Hello, Leader! wink I sympathize ... and I stop being surprised that active VO visitors suddenly disappear ... and, sometimes, for a long time! Well, what to do? what You can't put everyone against the "wall"! "Freedom to the parrot!" fellow
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 2 August 2022 13: 17
          +2
          It is a pity that many bright heads were removed "out of harm's way." Nominees for the title of the best commentators. From Israel, Ukraine... Other times, other customs....
  9. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 2 August 2022 06: 43
    -6
    Quote: S-Semenov
    Putin fulfills the dreams of the Anglo-Saxons

    Dreams are fulfilled by Gazprom, and GDP can only react to the situation. The Sumerians had been killing Slavs for 8 years before, and since March, they would have staged an outright genocide. In Minsk, they were given a chance without any killings. They made their own choice.
  10. Two
    Two 2 August 2022 06: 55
    +1
    hi It must be assumed that now an AWACS aircraft will hang in the border area and help this bad guy.
  11. lopvlad
    lopvlad 2 August 2022 07: 23
    0
    The machine has only one laser, which is why you can only fire at one target at a time.


    this disadvantage more than covers all the advantages of this complex.
  12. Revolver
    Revolver 2 August 2022 07: 28
    -4
    What I see, I shoot at, and I see not directly with my eyes, but the picture on the screen of what the camera sees, and this is not at all the same thing. There is no radar. Recognition of "friend or foe" also seems to be non-existent. So this prodigy poses no less risk for his litaks than for the enemy. And in low cloudiness or fog, this complex, even if it exists, is the same as if it does not exist.
  13. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 August 2022 07: 34
    -11
    Old scrap metal. One thing I’m wondering is how Ukrainians will arrange logistics with such a bunch of motley equipment?
  14. EvilLion
    EvilLion 2 August 2022 08: 10
    -12
    In general, the system looks extremely miserable in everything except the range against the background of even the old Soviet "arrow-10", which at least has missiles with a seeker. And, according to the same Wiki, then the ukrov had 2021+ units for 75. "strel-10". So I think as many as 6 godlike British cars are possible. SUGS in general.

    I hope that British soldiers will be put inside there, and they will burn in the same cars.
  15. Tarasios
    Tarasios 2 August 2022 09: 11
    -2
    Is this technique good or bad is the second question. And the first question is - what the hell is everything, EVERYTHING, damn it, deliveries of heavy equipment - going absolutely without problems?
  16. iouris
    iouris 2 August 2022 10: 12
    -5
    It is known after all: the farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans.
    Haven't received nuclear charges yet? receive.
  17. acetophenone
    acetophenone 2 August 2022 10: 51
    +2
    Quote: lopvlad
    The machine has only one laser, which is why you can only fire at one target at a time.


    this disadvantage more than covers all the advantages of this complex.

    Why would suddenly? If the range is 5 km, and the speed is 3M, then 15 seconds for tracking. No, of course, if they come flying in a cloud ... Then no one will fight back.
    1. solar
      solar 2 August 2022 11: 49
      0
      If the range is 5 km, and the speed is 3M, then the flight time of the rocket to the target is 5 seconds. In general, he has a very high speed for MANPADS - 4M.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 August 2022 12: 20
        0
        Quote from solar
        If the range is 5 km, and the speed is 3M, then the flight time of the rocket to the target is 5 seconds. In general, he has a very high speed for MANPADS - 4M.

        Data on the range of "Starstreak" is various on the Internet! Usually ... 5-7 km (there are both 5,5 km and 6 km ...) They usually say about speed: over 3 M ... there is and specifically: 3,5 M ... In general , does not reach 4 M! ("Differences" in range, sometimes, they try to explain with "various modifications" ... but, personally, I'm not sure about this ...)
        1. solar
          solar 2 August 2022 13: 21
          0
          They were the first generation, and since 2007, the second. The range increased to 7 km is the second generation.
          In terms of speed, some write more than 3M, some write more than 4M.
          https://web.archive.org/web/20160108235434/https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/Thales%20HVMII%2011_10.pdf
          From some sources it can be understood that they accelerate to 4M already with second-stage engines.
          The second stage engine ignites and accelerates the rocket to a final velocity in excess of Mach 4.
          The second stage motor ignites and accelerates the missile to an end-of-boost velocity greater than Mach 4.

          https://web.archive.org/web/20110609144914/http://www.defencejournal.com/jan99/starstreak.htm
          In any case, for MANPADS, a very frisky missile.
  18. solar
    solar 2 August 2022 11: 46
    +1
    It should also be remembered that Starstreak missiles have been delivered to Ukraine since March and were allegedly used extensively on the battlefield. However, there is no evidence of any success of such weapons.

    Where did the author take this from?
    There is a video in which "Starstreak" reloads the Mi-28 in half.
    There are other videos of application.
    https://moderator.az/ru/diger/507498/vsu-britanskiy-starstreak-sbil-novyy-rossiyskiy-bespilotnik-video/
    A serious weapon of a new generation.
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 August 2022 12: 13
    +1
    Cons here - lack of protection against such air defense systems
    Pros - lack of homing, terrain ...
    If such air defense systems began to be introduced, then the decrease in Wasp and Buk is very significant
  20. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 August 2022 13: 56
    +2
    Quote: EvilLion
    i.e. IR target search. The rocket is stupid, where the spot is, it flies there. For some reason, this system is claimed to be insensitive to heat traps.

    We have both IR and optical contrast against the sky (TV channel). In general, the imported miracle gun looks rather faded.

    And why is it so you imagined? belay Stormer's HVM optoelectronic system has a thermal imager ("working" with thermal "images", and not with a "thermal spot" ...) Thermal imaging systems, by definition, are much more noise-immune than heat detectors ...
    1. agond
      agond 2 August 2022 18: 04
      0
      The system is certainly very dangerous, although it detects a target within line of sight, that is, it is problematic to detect a low-altitude target
  21. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 3 August 2022 19: 23
    -1
    Quote from solar
    There is a video in which "Starstreak" reloads the Mi-28 in half.

    The great V. Zhirinovsky was right when he suggested that our IRA comrades be supplied to Belfast with our weapons. But it's not too late. The fighters for the independence of Northern Ireland are ready to accept Russian weapons and saturate YouTube with videos of downed helicopters and armored vehicles of the British invaders.
    The main thing is that our responsible persons do not cave in before the State Department and the English shriveled monkey.
  22. Man Strike
    Man Strike 3 August 2022 20: 11
    0
    six systems is practically nothing for such a company
  23. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 9 August 2022 10: 13
    0
    How will we take revenge on the skinheads in the future. How tired of these snakes.