Anti-aircraft machine gun and artillery installations of the armed forces of Romania

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Anti-aircraft machine gun and artillery installations of the armed forces of Romania


Currently, Romania has a relatively compact army. The number of ground forces is about 36 people. The main strike force of the Romanian Ground Forces are two infantry divisions, which include motorized rifle, tank, artillery, engineering and anti-aircraft units. Directly subordinated to the Main Headquarters of the Ground Forces are: a special operations brigade, a rocket artillery brigade and a pontoon engineering brigade.



The Romanian army is mostly equipped with outdated equipment and weapons. Although in recent years defense spending has been increased from 1,7 to 2% of GDP and it has been stated that the armed forces are striving to completely switch to NATO standards, there are still a lot of frankly outdated, and in some places archaic models in the troops that in no way correspond to modern realities. . The Romanian armed forces still have a significant number of anti-aircraft machine guns and artillery installations, some of which were produced in the 1960-1980s. This is primarily due to the lack of effective portable and self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems.

Anti-aircraft gun mounts


Prior to the country's entry into NATO, the only type of 12,7-mm machine gun operated by the Romanian army was the DShKM. Licensed production of this weapons was carried out at the Tsugirsky Mechanical Plant (ROMARM), and the machine gun, produced in Romania, at the first stage, in terms of its combat and service performance, fully corresponded to the Soviet model.


12,7 mm DShKM machine gun on a Romanian tank TR-85M1

The DShKM machine gun was very widely used in the armed forces of Romania, it was used in the infantry on a wheeled tripod machine, mounted on armored vehicles, boats and even helicopters.


It even got to the point that after Romania joined NATO, a heavy machine gun with Soviet roots was installed on Spanish-made URO VAMTAC off-road army vehicles.

In the 1970s and 1980s, modernization attempts were made, aimed mainly at reducing the mass of weapons.


The infantry model, developed at the ROMARM design bureau, was distinguished by sights, a machine tool, an armor shield of a different shape and a barrel without fins.


Although the Romanian army is striving to switch to NATO standards, there are still more than 1 machine guns chambered for the Soviet 000x12,7 mm cartridge in service and storage.

Relatively recently, a machine gun appeared in Romania, structurally similar to the DShKM, but using a NATO standard 12,7x99 mm cartridge.


Together with Western-made armored vehicles and HMMWV vehicles, Browning M2HB machine guns chambered for 12,7x99 mm came to Romania. In total, the Ground Forces have at least 200 of these machine guns.

The Romanian army still has such Cold War relics as the MR-14,5 4-mm quad anti-aircraft guns, created in the late 1960s.


Quadruple 14,5 mm anti-aircraft machine gun mount MR-4

The Romanian installation on a two-axle carriage with similar combat characteristics is much lighter and more compact than the Soviet ZPU-4. The Soviet installation weighs 2 kg, while the MR-100 weighs about 4 kg.

For firing from the MR-4, a very powerful cartridge of 14,5x114 mm dimensions is used. An armor-piercing incendiary bullet weighing 64 g has an initial velocity of about 1 m/s, and at a distance of 000 m at a meeting angle of 300 ° from the normal, it is capable of penetrating 20-mm armor and setting fire to the fuel and lubricants behind it.


The MR-4 quadruple anti-aircraft gun has a total rate of fire of 2 rounds per minute. ZPUs with such characteristics are still capable of posing a danger to low-flying aircraft and helicopters at distances up to 200 m. However, sighting devices that are primitive by modern standards and the low maneuverability of towed installations greatly reduce their combat value.

Towed anti-aircraft artillery


In 1980, anti-aircraft artillery battalions of the Romanian army began to receive twin 30-mm A-436 artillery mounts, designed to replace obsolete 37-mm Soviet-made anti-aircraft guns of the 1939 model of the year (61-K).


Twin 30mm A-436 anti-aircraft gun in firing position

Unlike most Eastern European allies, Romania, which pursued a defense policy largely independent of the USSR, chose not to adopt the 23-mm twin ZU-23 anti-aircraft gun, but to create its own, increasing the caliber to 30 mm. At the same time, the Romanian 30-mm twin A-436 turned out to be much heavier, the artillery unit and the electric drive for centralized aiming had to be placed on a four-wheeled “cart”. To power the electric drive and ignite the electric capsules, a rechargeable lead-acid battery was used, which was recharged from a gasoline generator.


Each tool can be used individually. To measure the distance to the target, the crew commander has an optical rangefinder at his disposal.

If the Soviet ZU-23 weighed about 1 kg, then the 000-mm Romanian anti-aircraft gun had a mass of 30 kg, and its movement even for short distances by calculation forces is extremely problematic. For towing the A-3, transporting 460 crew members and ammunition, a 436-ton three-axle all-wheel drive vehicle of Romanian production DAC 5T, created in cooperation with the German company MAN, is involved.


When creating the A-436, Romanian designers relied on Soviet automatic gas-operated artillery guns used as part of the 30-mm AK-230 naval anti-aircraft gun. For shooting, ammunition with a dimension of 30x210 mm is used. The power supply of each 30-mm machine is carried out by a tape for 30 shells. The ammunition load includes shots with armor-piercing incendiary, armor-piercing tracer and fragmentation tracer shells. At a distance of 1 m, an armor-piercing tracer with a mass of 000 g and an initial velocity of 360 m/s is capable of penetrating armor of medium hardness 1 mm thick.

Romanian 30-mm twin anti-aircraft guns can be used against targets flying at speeds up to 350 m / s. The maximum range for air targets is up to 3 m. Effective for ground targets is up to 500 m.

To control anti-aircraft fire in a centralized automated mode, a gun-guided radar station could be used, similar in its characteristics to the Soviet RPK-1 Vaza or SON-9A.


An interesting feature of the A-436 anti-aircraft gun is that each 30-mm machine gun has an adjustable rate of fire: 100, 250 and 500 rounds per minute. Thus, the maximum total rate of fire reaches 1 rds / min.

In 1988, a modernized A-436M installation appeared. Until the mid-1990s, some of the previously released 300 A-436 installations were converted to this version.

In addition to a general improvement in reliability and service performance, the attention of the developers was focused on improving the efficiency of firing. In order to increase the probability of hitting an air target when firing from a separate installation, it could be additionally equipped with an AST-30 radar sight. The parabolic antenna was mounted on the left side of the gun. The radar sight was able to detect a target at a distance of up to 12 km. After taking on escort, the parameters of the target were determined, ballistic corrections were calculated, the moment of opening fire, and the gun was automatically aimed in the horizontal and vertical planes. The whole process after the radar capture of the target and measuring the distance to it took 2–4 s.

In 2003, the VIFORUL centralized anti-aircraft fire control system was introduced to the general public.


Sighting and survey optoelectronic station

An optoelectronic sighting and survey station with remote control panels via cable lines can search for a target and centrally aim 8 anti-aircraft installations.


The SHORAR TCP radar station interacts with the OLS installed on a towed trailer, which provides timely detection and automatic target tracking. In conditions of poor visibility, the radar is capable of directing anti-aircraft fire without the use of OLS, but the accuracy is somewhat degraded.


According to reference data, there are now about 80 modernized 30-mm anti-aircraft twins in active operation. Some more are in storage. The last time live firing crew training took place at the Capu Midia training ground was in November 2021.

After joining NATO, the Romanian Defense Ministry acquired 24 Oerlikon GDF-35 towed 003-mm anti-aircraft guns.


35 mm anti-aircraft gun Oerlikon GDF-003 in firing position

In terms of its characteristics, degree of technical excellence and modernization potential, this product of the Swiss company Oerlikon significantly surpasses the Romanian 30-mm machine guns.


The towed 35-mm Oerlikon GDF-003 anti-aircraft gun in combat position weighs 6 kg. Sighting range for air targets - up to 700 m, reach in height - up to 4 m. Rate of fire - 000 rds / min. The capacity of the charging boxes is 3 shots. The effectiveness of shooting can be significantly increased by using projectiles with remote detonation.

Each 35-mm twin anti-aircraft gun is connected by cable lines to the Skyguard FC radar. The anti-aircraft fire control station, controlled by a crew of two, is located in a towed van, on the roof of which a rotating antenna of a pulsed Doppler radar, a radar range finder and a television camera are installed. There is the possibility of automated remote guidance of each anti-aircraft installation and firing without the participation of gun crew, which is activated only during reloading, preventive maintenance, cleaning and changing positions.


In addition to direct fire control of the anti-aircraft battery, an overview of the airspace at a distance of up to 40 km is provided at any time of the day. At the same time, the anti-aircraft installations themselves, the fire control radar and autonomous power generators can be placed in concrete caponiers, and the personnel and spare ammunition can be covered in well-protected bunkers. Taking into account the possibility of long-term duty and remote use without the direct presence of personnel on the position, Oerlikon GDF-003 installations are ideal for covering stationary objects from low-altitude air attack weapons.

During the Cold War, Romania received 40 S-60 anti-aircraft batteries, each battery had six 57-mm AZP-57 assault rifles and a SON-9 gun guidance station. Currently, the Romanian armed forces operate about three dozen 57-mm anti-aircraft guns, which are used in conjunction with VIFORUL gun guidance stations.


In the 1950s and 1960s, S-60 batteries replaced 37-mm anti-aircraft guns in the troops. Compared to the 37-mm 61-K assault rifle, the 57-mm AZP-57 anti-aircraft gun, with a slightly larger mass and a comparable rate of fire, had almost twice the firing range against air targets. The main feature of the S-60 was the ESP-57 centralized guidance system, which allows for synchronous remote guidance of guns using data from the radar or optical rangefinder.


Although in the 1980s in the USSR almost all 57-mm anti-aircraft guns were put into reserve, in a number of states, including Romania, they continued to remain in active service. This was largely due to the ability to effectively deal with armored and surface targets, as well as with enemy manpower.

An armor-piercing 57-mm projectile at a distance of 1 m is normally capable of penetrating 000-mm armor, and a fragmentation projectile weighing 100 kg contains 2,8 g of explosive and has an effective destruction zone of 168 m fragments. Taking into account the fact that the combat rate of fire of AZP-5 is 57 rds / min, each gun can bring down 70 kg of hot metal and explosives on the enemy in a minute.


The extension of the service life of the S-60 system is largely due to the fact that the Romanian armed forces have a shortage of not only modern air defense systems, but also artillery capable of countering amphibious assaults. Thus, 57-mm rapid-fire guns are considered as a universal tool designed to counter an air enemy and for use in coastal defense.

In the late 1950s, the Soviet Union transferred 168 100-mm KS-19M2 anti-aircraft guns, which replaced the 75-mm and 88-mm anti-aircraft guns of Swedish and German production in the Romanian army. Anti-aircraft artillery regiments were equipped with 100-mm cannons; there were 2 divisions in the regiment. Each division had 24 guns and 3 fire control radars.


Part of the 100-mm guns were placed near Bucharest on concrete stationary positions, but the bulk was used in a towed version. Together with anti-aircraft guns, SON-9A gun-guided radar stations were supplied. The guns transferred to Romania were equipped with the GSP-100M system, designed for remote automatic guidance in azimuth and elevation and automatic input of values ​​​​for setting the fuse according to POISO data.

For its time, the 100-mm KS-19M2 anti-aircraft guns had good performance. With an artillery mount weighing about 9 kg, it could fire at targets flying at an altitude of up to 500 km, firing up to 14 shells per minute. The use of fragmentation projectiles with a radar fuse significantly increased the probability of hitting a target.

After Romania received a significant number of S-75 air defense systems, large-caliber anti-aircraft artillery ceased to play a significant role in the object air defense, and most of the 100-mm anti-aircraft guns were sent to warehouses. In the early 1970s, 56 KS-19 guns betrayed the Romanian Navy. Together with the Tunet-2A radar (the SON-9A modernized in Romania), 100-mm anti-aircraft guns covered the Constanta and Mangalia naval bases, commercial ports, and coastal facilities.

Artillery batteries stationed on the coast had a dual purpose. In addition to conducting anti-aircraft fire, they were considered as coastal defense weapons. In the 1980s, 5 anti-aircraft batteries that controlled approaches to naval bases received Romanian-made radar rangefinders, their final decommissioning took place in the mid-1990s. There are currently about two dozen 100mm guns in storage in Romania.

Anti-aircraft artillery self-propelled installations


Romania refused to purchase the ZSU-23-4 Shilka, considering it too expensive and not powerful enough. As a temporary measure, 60 ZSU-57-2, supplied by the USSR in the mid-1960s, were considered. In the 1980s, work was underway to create their own ZSU, which was supposed to be armed with 30-mm machine guns. However, research in this direction has not progressed beyond the paper stage. In the early 1990s, all hopelessly outdated self-propelled guns armed with two 57-mm guns were decommissioned, and the Romanian armored units were left without anti-aircraft cover capable of operating in the same battle formations as tanks.

After applying for membership in NATO, the Romanian defense department initiated the acquisition of Western-made anti-aircraft self-propelled guns, and in November 2004 the first batch of 18 West German ZSU Gepard was transferred.


ZSU Gepard of the Romanian army

As part of an intergovernmental agreement, Germany donated 43 Gepard A1 vehicles from the Bundeswehr stocks. At the Krauss-Maffei plant, 36 ZSUs were brought to working condition, and 7 vehicles were used as a source of spare parts. During the refurbishment, the radio-instrument complex of self-propelled units was upgraded to the Gepard A2 level.

The Gepard ZSU uses the chassis of the Leopard 1 tank, but the security of the self-propelled unit is lower than that of the base vehicle. Steel armor with a thickness of 30-20 mm will reliably protect against bullets of caliber no more than 12,7 mm and large fragments. Machine weight 47,3 tons. Diesel engine with a capacity of 830 liters. With. can accelerate on the highway up to 65 km / h. Crew - 3 people.

The armament of the vehicle consists of two 35 mm Oerlikon KDA cannons with a total rate of fire of 1 rounds per minute. For each gun there are 100 unitary shots. The mass of the fragmentation projectile is 340 g. The initial speed is 550 m / s. Armor-piercing incendiary and fragmentation-incendiary shells are mainly used for firing at air targets. Fragmentation projectiles with air blast can also be used, but this, apparently, requires the refinement of the instrumentation complex. To destroy well-protected targets, the ammunition load includes 1 armor-piercing sub-caliber shells, with armor penetration at a distance of 175 m along a normal of 40 mm. The maximum firing range for air targets is 300 m. Effective for those flying at speeds up to 80 m / s - 4 m.


To detect air targets, an MPDR-18S all-round pulse-Doppler radar with a built-in friend-foe radar interrogator operating in the centimeter frequency range with a range of up to 18 km is used. After detecting an air target, it is taken for escort by the Albis radar rangefinder sight, the antenna of which is located in the frontal part of the tower. The lead is calculated by the ballistic computer, and after the target enters the kill zone, the gunner opens fire on it. As a backup, there is an optical sight. Late production vehicles were equipped with laser rangefinders combined with a fire control system. But whether they are on the Romanian "Cheetahs" is unknown.

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  1. +1
    2 August 2022 05: 09
    After this article, the Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share these guns and machine guns.
    1. +8
      2 August 2022 05: 42
      Quote: Borik
      After this article, the Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share these guns and machine guns.

      Very thoughtful and intelligent comment! wassat
      1. +4
        2 August 2022 08: 09
        Quote: Borik
        Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share these guns and machine guns

        Why not Moldovans?
        "Brothers" wink
        1. +7
          2 August 2022 10: 00
          Quote: Mister X
          Why not Moldovans?
          "Brothers"

          Misha, hello! "Patriots" do not know that Bessarabia was part of Romania in the past.
          In general, such "patriotic" characters amuse me. In the past, they offered to test any modern Russian weapons (even ICBMs) and torpedoes in Syria, but now, if it comes to some outdated Western weapons, they write that they will definitely end up in Ukraine.
          1. +8
            2 August 2022 11: 05
            Quote: Bongo
            in general, such "patriotic" characters amuse me

            hi
            Me too.
            Some of the Moldovan "patriots" I put into a stupor with my theories.
            - We are Romanians! Our language is Romanian!
            We were occupied by the Russians 300 years ago.
            - Are we Italians?
            After all, almost 2 thousand years ago, Rome captured Dacia.
            That's why our languages ​​are so similar wink
            - Not true!
            What is the word for bread in Dacian?
            - E...
            What is the word for mother in Dacian?
            - Fuck you, Kremlin provocateur!
            1. -4
              2 August 2022 11: 47
              What was the name of the word "mother" in the Moscow region 2000 years ago?
              Your argument is invalid.
              1. +6
                2 August 2022 13: 33
                Quote from Popescu Ion
                What was the name of the word "mother" in the Moscow region 2000 years ago?

                Domnule Ion,
                You, like a true Moldovan patriot with a Romanian passport, traditionally bare your teeth at Russia.
                Other readers will tell you about the Moscow region, and Kievan Rus during the time of Emperor Trajan.

                Are you not interested in how the word "mother" sounded in ancient Greece, or Rome?
                What about the word "bread"?
                1. -3
                  2 August 2022 16: 23
                  Drink some water and then read my comment again. I did not attack Russia or its history in any way. I just said that you don't know what language was spoken 2000 years ago either.
                  I am not a historian like you, but I know that Emperor Trajan ruled until 117, and Kievan Rus was founded at the end of 800...
                  1. +2
                    2 August 2022 16: 50
                    Quote from Popescu Ion
                    Kievan Rus was founded at the end of 800...

                    And how was the word "mother" called then in the Moscow region 2000 years ago?
                  2. +2
                    2 August 2022 16: 56
                    Quote from Popescu Ion
                    you don't know what language was spoken 2000 years ago either.

                    At that time there were many nationalities (tribes), languages, and dialects.
                    Whatever the answer, it will not be absolutely correct.

                    You need to study the chain of languages ​​​​of the Slavic group.
                    They belong to the Balto-Slavic branch, which originated from the Indo-European languages ​​(end of the Neolithic).
                    Indo-European languages ​​- Balto-Slavic languages ​​- Slavic languages.

                    This is painstaking work for several years, or even more.
                    Or do you disagree?
                    1. +1
                      2 August 2022 17: 17
                      Even after doing this painstaking work, we still will not get an absolutely correct answer, because the phonetics of these languages ​​has been lost forever.
                  3. +1
                    2 August 2022 16: 57
                    In fact, Kievan Rus is not a state entity, but a historical period.
              2. +6
                2 August 2022 13: 44
                Quote from Popescu Ion
                .

                I have a colleague at work who shares your views.
                He hates "Russian World", because St. Petersburg was built by foreign architects.
                I haven't even heard of the Louvre.

                I shocked him by saying:
                1) The Louvre is the world's largest war trophy museum.
                2) Literally 100 years ago, Great Britain was the largest colonial empire.
                Every 4th inhabitant of the Zeny shara was subject to the British crown.
                There were so many of them in India alone.
                Did you know about these facts?
                1. +2
                  2 August 2022 15: 39
                  35% of Russians believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth...
                  VCIOM
                  Ah, you're talking about the Louvre ... and the British Empire.
                  1. +3
                    2 August 2022 17: 00
                    Quote: hohol95
                    35% of Russians believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth

                    Is cottage cheese made from dumplings?
                    Is it really the way Russians treat education?
                    1. +2
                      2 August 2022 17: 43
                      There are people who studied back in the USSR, and now believe in a FLAT Earth or "History from Fomenko".
                      And do not forget about the people living in all sorts of "remote villages".
                      Old Believers still live in the taiga.
                      Last year, they "caught" a Brazilian Old Believer who lived in the territory of the Russian Federation without documents for twenty years!
                      His mother brought him and his brother to the homeland of their ancestors. We got to the village of Old Believers in the taiga. Mother and brother fell ill and died. He was married to a local girl. So he lived a citizen of Brazil. He plowed the field, hunted in the taiga and fished the cut in the local rivers.
                      Until I took my third daughter to the nearest hospital. Then it turned out that he did not have any documents!
                      1. +2
                        2 August 2022 17: 59
                        "Broad Brazil dear!
                        Every inhabitant in it is full and drunk,
                        I do not know another such country,
                        Where there are so many wild monkeys! "(C)
                  2. +1
                    2 August 2022 20: 19
                    Sorry, but these 35% are taken from only 1600 respondents. A survey of at least 160000 gave different percentages.
                    1. +2
                      2 August 2022 20: 39
                      Do you want to say that in other countries they survey 100 respondents?
                2. +2
                  2 August 2022 18: 35
                  Peter was built by foreign architects.
                  I will say more, even the typical building of St. Petersburg was invented by Domenico Trezzini.)))
      2. +8
        2 August 2022 08: 11
        Quote: Bongo
        !

        Sergey, thanks for the interesting article!

        A little exotic on the topic:
        MANPADS Strela-2M on a quad launcher of the MTU-4 type
        It was part of the ship's air defense cruiser "Munteniya",
        later reclassified as the destroyer Timisoara,
        now - the frigate "Mereshesti" with tail number F 111.



        Will there be a separate material about the naval air defense of Romania?
        They were armed with:
        76,2 mm AK-726 ship mounts
        AK-30 630mm six-barrel gun mounts
        1. +5
          2 August 2022 10: 06
          Quote: Mister X
          Sergey, thanks for the interesting article!

          thank you for your thoughtful comments! drinks
          Quote: Mister X
          A little exotic on the topic:
          MANPADS Strela-2M on a quad launcher of the MTU-4 type

          Misha, for the Soviet fleet of the 70-80s this is not exotic. No.
          Quote: Mister X
          Will there be a separate material about the naval air defense of Romania?

          You made a wonderful series of articles about the Romanian fleet. I'm not your competitor here.
          1. +5
            2 August 2022 10: 11
            You made a wonderful series of articles about the Romanian fleet. I'm not your competitor here.

            Hmm.. Sergey, greetings! Before this comment, I had no idea that the esteemed Mikhail "Mister X" had almost a hundred articles ... Thank you, I'll re-read it! drinks
            An armor-piercing 57-mm projectile at a distance of 1 m is normally capable of penetrating 000-mm armor

            Well done Bongo! drinks However, Grabin and his comrades made a good gun. Now, it seems, there are developments on installing it on the BMP-3, it seems, "Derivation" is called.
            1. +7
              2 August 2022 10: 19
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Sergey, welcome!

              Nikolay, mutually! drinks
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Before this comment, I had no idea that the esteemed Mikhail "Mister X" had almost a hundred articles ... Thank you, I'll re-read it!

              Michael is a very interesting author! Unfortunately not very prolific. No one can compare with him in terms of the level of study and the quality of the selection of material. For example, when preparing an article, he easily makes a request to the manufacturer or developer of a particular sample. At his request, I somehow did satellite reconnaissance on the territory of a "potential partner".
              1. +5
                2 August 2022 10: 33
                Michael is a very interesting author! Unfortunately not very prolific.

                82 articles - this is very fruitful, I think! Yes
                No one can compare with him in terms of the level of study and the quality of the selection of material. For example, when preparing an article, he easily makes a request to the manufacturer or developer of a particular sample.

                These are exceptional qualities for an author! good
                At his request, I somehow did satellite reconnaissance on the territory of a "potential partner".

                Spy detective! wink drinks
                1. +5
                  2 August 2022 10: 47
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  82 articles - this is very fruitful, I think!

                  Not too much, especially considering that it takes him several months to write one article, and I publish on average once a week.
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  These are exceptional qualities for an author!

                  Undoubtedly! Once, in a dispute with Shpakovsky, who claimed that the OT-62 flamethrower tank existed in the metal, Mikhail wrote to the Uralvagonzavod Design Bureau. And he was told that such a machine did not exist in reality.
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Spy detective!

                  Rather, the use of professional skills for personal purposes. wink
                  1. +5
                    2 August 2022 11: 07
                    Not too much, especially considering that it takes him several months to write one article, and I publish on average once a week.

                    For me, it's still a lot. He is great.
                    Undoubtedly! Once, in a dispute with Shpakovsky, who claimed that the OT-62 flamethrower tank existed in the metal, Mikhail wrote to the Uralvagonzavod Design Bureau. And he was told that such a machine did not exist in reality.

                    Vyacheslav our Olegovich I can’t discuss, but he himself is a master of writing in various archives and museums. Apparently, somewhere he trusted an unverified source! In fact, it happens, and even among historians this is a common mistake ... request
                    Rather, the use of professional skills for personal purposes.

                    The main thing is that everyone is happy! Yes
                    1. +3
                      2 August 2022 18: 12
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Apparently, somewhere he trusted an unverified source!

                      He trusted Wikipedia.
                      Then he convinced readers for a long time that in Europe the reference to Vika is a weighty, if not decisive, argument.
                      1. +2
                        2 August 2022 18: 38
                        Mostly on English-speaking (and, by the way, bone-speaking) of their associates in the shop.
                  2. +3
                    2 August 2022 16: 48
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Mikhail wrote to the Uralvagonzavod Design Bureau

                    Not only at UVZ, but to all manufacturers of the T-62 tank, and to the museum.
                    Corresponded from 14 to 21 September 2021.

                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    ,

                    How to write an article in a week at such a rate of search?

              2. +3
                2 August 2022 18: 10
                Quote: Bongo
                At his request, I somehow did satellite reconnaissance on the territory of a "potential partner".

                I confirm!
                There was a case.
                I understand cartography like a pig in pineapples, but Sergey fumbles - be healthy!
          2. +7
            2 August 2022 11: 08
            Quote: Bongo
            Misha, for the Soviet fleet of the 70-80s this is not exotic.

            And for modern?

            By the way, Romanians pronounce the word Arrow differently.
            Emphasis on E: arrow laughing
          3. +6
            2 August 2022 11: 12
            Quote: Bongo
            You made a wonderful series of articles about the Romanian fleet.

            There was a case, but not about the whole, but only about large-capacity ships.
            And he didn’t even start about the submarine fleet and river forces of Romania (Danube Flotilla).
            There are probably other air defense systems on monitors, patrol boats and minesweepers.
            Right?
            1. +4
              2 August 2022 13: 11
              Quote: Mister X
              There are probably other air defense systems on monitors, patrol boats and minesweepers.
              Right?

              The same "Strela-2M" and 14,5 mm ZPU.
            2. +3
              2 August 2022 13: 32
              Quote: Mister X
              On monitors, patrol boats and minesweepers, there are probably other air defense systems

              My friend, I have long suggested that you make a series of articles about Romanian monitors. The topic is interesting and understudied.
              1. +4
                2 August 2022 18: 18
                Quote: Bongo
                The topic is interesting and understudied.

                After shaky health, the main topic that worries me is the following:
                - How will Proud Moldovans* survive this winter, and where will they get money for food and utilities?
                *From Joe Biden's speech at the UN General Assembly
      3. +7
        2 August 2022 10: 55
        Thanks, Sergey. Your articles are always interesting. And they have one more feature - they are impartial. There are no obsessive phrases about uselessness.
        1. +8
          2 August 2022 10: 58
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Thanks, Sergey. Your articles are always interesting.

          Thank you! drinks
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And they have one more feature - they are impartial. There are no obsessive phrases about uselessness.

          I believe that a literate and thinking reader, based on the information available, is able to draw the right conclusions himself.
    2. +5
      2 August 2022 06: 34
      Quote: Borik
      After this article, the Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share these guns and machine guns.

      It is unlikely that the APU will be interested in outdated Romanian anti-aircraft guns. No.
      As for Romania, the army's air defense, of course, does not shine with it. I hope the author will tell more about self-propelled Romanian air defense systems and MANPADS?
    3. -6
      2 August 2022 10: 18
      Quote: Borik
      Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share

      Ukrovermacht does not have to ask for anything. Everything will be brought. Their business is to die for the American Reich. American hosts decide for themselves: how, when and where.
  2. -4
    2 August 2022 06: 33
    Apparently this is the most valuable thing that can be read in the article. laughing
    What article, such and comment wink
    1. +6
      2 August 2022 07: 09
      Quote: Paladin
      Apparently this is the most valuable thing that can be read in the article. laughing
      What article, such and comment wink

      There will always be a stupid person who, even for a very worthy publication, will write a comment corresponding to his intellectual level.
      1. -2
        2 August 2022 07: 27
        I spoke about the article, you spoke about me. Would you like me to comment on your cultural level, mind, knowledge of the armed forces of foreign states? Do you want to talk about it?
      2. +4
        2 August 2022 07: 47
        Quote: Paladin
        I spoke about the article, you spoke about me. Would you like me to comment on your cultural level, mind, knowledge of the armed forces of foreign states? Do you want to talk about it?

        I commented on this comment:
        Quote: Borik
        After this article, the Ukrainian wars will ask the Romanians to share these guns and machine guns.

        But if you took it personally, then apparently there are reasons for this.
        I'm just wondering why you didn't like this post?
        1. -5
          2 August 2022 10: 25
          I commented on this comment:

          This is quite expected. However, you spoke to me, and not to the author of the comment, therefore, your words did not apply to him. Simple logic. If it was not simple, then it is necessary to highlight it slightly.
          Well, about the article ... It is enough to type in a search engine to get a much more meaningful analysis. Unless, of course, the Romanian army is so interesting)))
          In the light of the current events, the transfer of Cheetahs by the Germans to Ukraine and the presence of them among the Romanians, the first comment does not look unreasonable. On the contrary, of the entire article, this is perhaps the most interesting.
          1. +7
            2 August 2022 10: 51
            Quote: Paladin
            Well, about the article ... It is enough to type in a search engine to get a much more meaningful analysis. Unless, of course, the Romanian army is so interesting)))
            In the light of the current events, the transfer of Cheetahs by the Germans to Ukraine and the presence of them among the Romanians, the first comment does not look unreasonable. On the contrary, of the entire article, this is perhaps the most interesting.

            My regular readers know that I have a positive attitude towards objective criticism. And since you are definitely not a balabol, I have a request for you, please share sources from the search engine about the Romanian DShKM, the quad 14,5-mm ZPU, the 30-mm twin, and about everything else. Thanks in advance!
            1. +3
              2 August 2022 16: 54
              ATP for another article on a topical topic. But the question is this. And how relevant is anti-aircraft artillery and machine guns now, exactly as anti-aircraft guns, and not as a means of shredding infantry? As far as I have seen in recent years, various zu23-2, they are always used for some kind of carts. On the basis of motorcycles, trucks, technicians, etc. For a long time I have not seen them used purposefully for their intended purpose. How relevant is all this against modern aviation? Perhaps this is applicable for the destruction of reconnaissance UAVs, but the same arrow10 is more relevant. Against the turntable? Missile weapons have a long range and ease of use. To what extent is all this wealth in general now in demand? hi
              1. +4
                2 August 2022 18: 06
                To what extent is all this wealth in general now in demand?
                Hello, colleague!
                Against light strike UAVs - completely!
                Yes, and against the Brazilian attack aircraft "SuperTucano" will fit very well.
    2. +6
      2 August 2022 10: 08
      Quote: Paladin
      Apparently this is the most valuable thing that can be read in the article laughing
      What article, such and comment

      What specifically did not suit you in this article: the presentation and reliability of the material, or the style of presentation? Or maybe you just wanted to throw on the fan?
  3. +3
    2 August 2022 07: 45
    None of the above was used during the fighting in Transnistria?
    1. +7
      2 August 2022 10: 13
      Quote: hohol95
      None of the above was used during the fighting in Transnistria?

      12,7-mm DShKM machine guns were used by the parties for sure. Another question is that these weapons were not from Romanian stocks, but a legacy from the Soviet Army.
      By the way, they don’t remember this now, but the air defense forces of the 14th Army repeatedly opened fire on the Romanian MiG-29s. At least one fighter was damaged by the Russian Osa-AKM air defense system.
      1. +2
        2 August 2022 11: 04
        Were the Romanian MiG-29s over their territory or were they "patrolling" the skies of Moldova?
      2. +5
        2 August 2022 12: 20
        The Moldovan side of the conflict claims that the MiG-29s were hers. And the pilots were Moldovans.
        1. +5
          2 August 2022 13: 03
          Quote: hohol95
          The Moldovan side of the conflict claims that the MiG-29s were hers. And the pilots were Moldovans.

          You are absolutely right! These were Moldovan MiG-29s. Think one thing, write another! request But as for the pilots who speak Moldovan, I would not undertake to say this.
  4. 0
    2 August 2022 08: 35
    Germany donated 43 Gepard A1 vehicles from the Bundeswehr stocks. At the Krauss-Maffei factory, 36 ZSUs were brought to working condition,
    Now it is clear in what state the equipment is allocated "free of charge".
    1. +6
      2 August 2022 10: 14
      Quote: Aviator_
      Now it is clear in what state the equipment is allocated "free of charge".

      Well, yes, only repairs and modernization were also carried out at the expense of Germany.
      1. 0
        2 August 2022 18: 17
        only repairs and modernization were also carried out at the expense of Germany.
        What kind of Germany is this now, everyone wipes their feet on it. It would not work like with the Weimar Republic.
        1. +2
          2 August 2022 19: 09
          It won’t work, Sergey, it’s not 1918 in the yard.
  5. +5
    2 August 2022 14: 05
    hi
    The topic is interesting, so I'm here again feel

    The Gepard ZSU uses the chassis of the Leopard 1 tank, but the self-propelled unit is less secure than the base vehicle. Steel armor with a thickness of 30-20 mm will reliably protect against bullets of caliber no more than 12,7 mm and large fragments.
    Hmm, well, the “front” is 70 mm and the sides are more than serious, it’s even difficult to compare with Shilka: “the frontal armor has a thickness of 70 mm, and the angle of inclination of 30 degrees corresponds to a penetration length of 140 mm, the thickness of the side, bottom and stern armor is only 20 up to 30 mm."

    Fragmentation projectiles with air blast can also be used, but this, apparently, requires the refinement of the instrumentation complex.
    there was such an option (even MANPADS were integrated into Cheetah and "remote control"), it was offered to the Bundeswehr. But the Bundeswehr at that time was disarming in the struggle for the cause of peace, so that only Ocelot (Stinger on Wiesel) remained.
    Now the Germans themselves are talking about the military air defense of the words "hole" and "absent", but the 100 billion thrown into the budget somewhat revived the Bundeswehr. And in terms of air defense, IMHO, there will be a variant of "the same 35 mm Oerlikon with an air blast" that is suitable even against MLRS and mortar mines. There is a demo version on an eight-wheeled chassis, there is on a truck:



    Here, of course, as always, the question arises feel , will the respected Bongo write an article feel with a comparison of the approach of the Germans (Mantis and other 35 mm Oerlikons) "we hit the target of the GGE" and the Americans (Centurion S-Ram, "we hit the target with a 20 mm direct hit").
    You can also compare with our Air Defense Derivation (IMHO, since 2013 development, since 2017 at exhibitions). Well, at what speed did Germany make and dragged Mantis to Afghanistan, and at what speed and where is the Air Defense Derivation.

    The maximum firing range for air targets is 4 m. Effective for those flying at speeds up to 000 m / s - 400 m.
    "At the time of decommissioning, the German Gepard 1A2 ... used FAPDS (Frangible Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot) ammunition, which reached an initial speed (v 0) of at least 1400 m / s. The effective firing range against air targets was now up to 5000 meters and altitude 3500 meters"
    FAPDS is like this, IMHO: "scrap sub-caliber", which is without explosives and which breaks when it hits the target, hitting it with a "cone of fragments":


    Late production vehicles were equipped with laser rangefinders combined with a fire control system. But whether they are on the Romanian "Cheetahs" is unknown.
    Most likely not, it is claimed that the B2 version was transmitted, without a laser rangefinder.
    1. +2
      4 August 2022 00: 12
      Hello! Glad you are with us!
      Quote: Wildcat
      Hmm, well, the “front” is 70 mm and the sides are more than serious, it’s even difficult to compare with Shilka: “the frontal armor has a thickness of 70 mm, and the angle of inclination of 30 degrees corresponds to a penetration length of 140 mm, the thickness of the side, bottom and stern armor is only 20 up to 30 mm."

      Sources say that compared to the base model, the reservation of the serial "Cheetah" is weakened, and does not exceed 30 mm. Which is generally logical.
      1. +2
        4 August 2022 02: 36
        hi
        Hello!
        IMHO, the sources that write that the Leopard1 chassis was "slightly modified" and "70-30-20" mm of armor are from the tank, IMHO, are most likely correct.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_Gepard
        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer_Gepard#Fahrgestell
        Although Russian-language sources write that the Cheetah has "the chassis of the Leopard 1 tank, but with less armor protection of the hull."

        The logic, IMHO, was purely "German" here: not the highest priority project since 1956 (at the price of 4 tanks and the size of a two-story barn), so let's take what is in the part of the Leo1 hull and finally move into series.
        An indirect confirmation of the greater thickness of the Cheetah armor is our Shilka with "9-15 mm" armor and a mass of 21 tons, when the Cheetah is more than twice as heavy and weighs more than 47 tons.

        Will the respected Bongo write a feel article comparing the approach of the Germans (Mantis and other 35 mm Oerlikons) "we hit the GGE target" and the Americans (Centurion S-Ram, "we hit the target with a 20 mm direct hit").
        You can also compare with our Air Defense Derivation (IMHO, since 2013 development, since 2017 at exhibitions). Well, at what speed did Germany make and dragged Mantis to Afghanistan, and at what speed and where is the Air Defense Derivation.
        ... well suddenly? feel Moreover, remote detonation has become "fashionable" for conventional equipment in the fight against sheltered infantry ...


        By the way.
        Late production vehicles were equipped with laser rangefinders combined with a fire control system. But whether they are on the Romanian "Cheetahs" is unknown.
        It is possible that the Romanians still have a variant with a laser rangefinder.
        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer_Gepard#/media/Datei:Gepard_1a2_fr+laser.jpg
        The oblong box above the guidance radar in front of the tower is what it is IMHO.


        And on the Romanian Cheetahs, he is visible, and YouTube omniscient writes that he is. feel
  6. -3
    2 August 2022 14: 25
    Quote: Bongo
    Misha, hello! "Patriots" do not know that Bessarabia was part of Romania in the past.

    Yeah, and Romania was a part of the Roman Empire, and then the Ottoman Empire, and the hominy was rotten, and what does it all mean?
  7. +3
    2 August 2022 16: 07
    Romania from the day of "birth" was a very poor country.
    It has remained so to this day.
    And the "poor man" cannot "throw away" something that still somehow works. He won’t buy a new one, and they won’t give much as a “gift”!
    So they store or use until the very last opportunity.
    And they constantly tried to "raise" their military-industrial complex to the level of a full-fledged supply of the army without purchases from outside. They tried to buy a license and make it at home.
    But not always it "rolled"!
    1. +1
      2 August 2022 19: 05
      Romania from the day of "birth" was a very poor country.
      Well, not rich... If you do not take into account the oil fields of Ploiesti, then yes, of course, rogue.
      1. +3
        2 August 2022 19: 35
        So Hungary had oil.
        But Gonvedsheg was clearly stronger than the Romanian army during the Great Patriotic War!
  8. +1
    2 August 2022 19: 25
    And I like the Romanian towed 30mm spark! Feel the power!
  9. 0
    2 August 2022 20: 01
    For its time, the 100-mm KS-19M2 anti-aircraft guns had good performance. With an artillery mount weighing about 9 kg, it could fire at targets flying at an altitude of up to 500 km, firing up to 14 shells per minute.
    It would be easier, it would be possible for her to drive drones now. Cheap and cheerful.