Firepower M1 "Abrams" with a mass like an armored personnel carrier: American light tank "Stingray"

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Source: thaidefense-news.blogspot.com

Source: thaidefense-news.blogspot.com


More recently, the United States has taken to mass production Tanks "Gryphon 2" (we detail about this 38-ton "light" monster wrote , thus ending a multi-year history with the search for a replacement for the Sheridan light tank, during which the military studied many interesting prototypes that did not receive a ticket to life. However, one of these projects was lucky. It was the Stingray, a combat vehicle that combined the firepower of the heavy M1 Abrams and weighed just over 21 tons. He did not enter service with the American army, but was warmly received by the Thai military.



Source: militerbanget.blogspot.com

Source: militerbanget.blogspot.com

Expeditionary tank


There is no point in denying the obvious fact that the Soviet Union and the United States, being opposing superpowers, were actively preparing for a full-scale war, which included both classical weapons and nuclear weapons. weapon. Fortunately, the expectations were not destined to come true, however, local conflicts in completely remote territories, where the USSR and the States defended their interests and spheres of influence, became an alternative to the atomic apocalypse and the transformation of Europe into a continuous battlefield. An example is the Vietnam and Korean wars.

The United States was well aware that a direct clash with the Soviet army was less likely than another "mess" in a distant corner of the world, and therefore the priorities in the mid-1970s of the American military began to gradually change. To put it simply: the focus of the warriors has shifted to providing rapid reaction forces that could quickly reach remote areas and begin combat missions long before the arrival of the main forces, if any are needed at all.

A separate issue was the armament of mobile groups. In particular - tank. At that time, the Sheridan light aluminum tank was already in the American army, but the experience of its use in the Vietnam War, although it included some positive aspects, was generally assessed as negative. An alternative was needed.

Tank "Sheridan" during the "War in the Gulf". 1991 Source: arsenal-info.ru

Tank "Sheridan" during the "War in the Gulf". 1991 Source: arsenal-info.ru

The logistical requirements for the new light tank, which partly changed over time, included a small combat weight for the possibility of either parachute landing, or, which later became a priority, transporting two combat vehicles at once in one flight in a transport aircraft.

Equally important was the gun of the future tank. Considering that the armor of Soviet equipment did not stand still, the main armament was to be a high-impulse cannon capable of penetrating enemy armor.

All these military requests were formed in the AGS (Armored Gun System) program launched in 1981, another epic to create a light combat vehicle. Several companies took part in it at once, among which was Cadillac Gage, which presented its initiative development to the military court - the Commando Stingray light tank. The tank, which is still recognized by some experts as the optimal ratio of firepower and mobility, including air transportability.

Layout and armor


Experienced tank "Stingray" during testing. Source: arsenal-info.ru

Experienced tank "Stingray" during testing. Source: arsenal-info.ru

"Commando Stingray", whose name was later shortened to simply "Stingray", was carried out as part of a classic layout with a control compartment in the bow of the hull, a fighting compartment in the middle part and an engine-transmission compartment in the stern.

The seating of the crew members, in principle, corresponded to the same "Abrams": the driver was located in the middle of the hull in the bow, the gunner and commander were one after another in the tower to the right of the gun, and the loader was to the left.

When creating the tank, the engineers decided to completely abandon the “mix” that was used on the Sheridans, when the hull was made of aluminum armor and the turret was made of steel. Therefore, the choice fell exclusively on high-hardness steel under the marking "Kedloy".

With a maximum thickness of steel sheets up to 25 mm, the Stingray armor provided full protection against 14,5 mm bullets in the frontal projection, as well as against all 7,62 mm small arms on the sides and stern. The necessary resistance parameters were also provided due to the large angles of inclination of the armored surfaces in the forehead of the turret and hull. However, this measure brought not only benefits, but also inconveniences: the wedge-shaped tower, when turning at 12 o'clock, did not allow the driver to leave his seat through the hatch, so it had to be turned 90 degrees to the left or right.

Nevertheless, despite some shortcomings, the Stingray's booking met all the requirements and even somewhat exceeded them, since the frontal protection was already partly similar to the Soviet BMP-2.

The layout of the tank "Stingray". Source: arsenal-info.ru

The layout of the tank "Stingray". Source: arsenal-info.ru

Chassis and engine


The undercarriage of the tank from Cadillac Gage consists of six dual road wheels on each side with the location of the drive wheels in the stern and guides in the bow. The suspension, according to the classics, is individual torsion bar, and with torsion bars they did not reinvent the wheel and took them from the 155-mm M109 self-propelled artillery mount. Here, as a "donor", the M41 Walker Bulldog tank can be attributed, from which the Stingray suspension received some elements.

The power plant of the new tank was based on a transversely mounted 8-cylinder diesel engine 8V-92 TA with a capacity of 535 horsepower manufactured by Detroit Diesel. Together with him, in a single removable block, an automatic five-speed transmission XTG-411-2A was mounted. Working in pairs, they accelerated the Stingray weighing 21,6 tons to 71 km / h on the highway.

But the suspension assembled from elements of self-propelled guns and a light tank, which dampens hull vibrations, as well as an automatic transmission, are not all the amenities that contribute to a comfortable ride at high speeds. There was also steering, which reduced the energy consumption of the driver.

Armament and fire control complex


As mentioned earlier, the US military took into account the fact that a light tank was very likely to collide with modern Soviet tanks, the armor of which was not so easy to take even with powerful guns, not to mention low-momentum ones. Therefore, the armament of the Stingray was taken seriously.

However, the choice was small. The most powerful gun in mass production at the beginning of the 80s in the United States was a licensed copy of the British L7 rifled gun of 105 mm caliber. It was also installed in the M1 Abrams tanks, until it was later replaced by a more powerful 120 mm caliber.

Source: thaidefense-news.blogspot.com

Source: thaidefense-news.blogspot.com

But a standard 105-mm gun could not be installed in a light tank - too much recoil force had a powerful effect on the hull and turret, which ultimately could not withstand the loads.

The solution to this problem was a modified version of the gun for light combat vehicles. Unlike its counterpart, it had a muzzle brake, an improved propellant gas ejector and an upgraded recoil system. All these measures made it possible to halve the recoil force when fired and thereby soften the impact on the hull and turret of the Stingray.

Thus, the Stingray light tank, having a 1-round ammunition load unified with the M36 Abrams, had firepower almost identical to this heavy tank, which could become a serious threat to Soviet combat vehicles of that time.

The armament of the tank was supplemented by two machine guns: a 7,62 mm caliber coaxial with a cannon and a 12,7 mm caliber mounted on the turret roof in front of the commander's hatch. However, there was a choice of caliber, so a 7,62-mm machine gun could also “move” to the tower.

Weapons control - aiming at the target - was carried out using a two-channel gunner's sight, working both in daytime conditions and at night - in the infrared range. A laser rangefinder was also integrated into the sight, which makes it possible to significantly increase the accuracy of fire with minimal delays in preparing a shot.

The tank commander, despite his secondary role in pointing the gun at the target, could also independently fire the gun. To do this, he had a day / night sight-observation device and, as an addition to increase visibility from the tank, seven periscope panoramic view devices.

Increased firing accuracy was also provided by an electronic ballistic computer that migrated to the Stingray from the V-150 armored car, armed with a 90-mm cannon. This computing device, which collected real-time data such as the range to the target, its speed, the roll angle of the tank itself, atmospheric pressure, wind speed and direction, etc., automatically gave the necessary corrections for firing.

Conclusion


The first assembled Stingray prototype was presented at the end of the summer of 1984. The military really liked this vehicle, although this was to be expected, since the tank turned out to be quite successful and combined the highest firepower with a small mass and extremely high mobility. It was even recommended for adoption by the US 9th Motorized Infantry Division. However, banal circumstances prevented the plans.

The tank came out quite expensive - about a million dollars per unit at that time. And the program itself to create a new lightweight tank was already bursting at the seams: the conservatism of the highest military officials, who did not want to change the old for the new, was affecting.

Ultimately, the Stingray was abandoned in the United States, but interested in it in Thailand, where 1986 units were delivered between 1990 and the 106s. Cadillac Gage also tried to conclude an agreement for the supply of tanks to Malaysia, but did not achieve positive results.

Tank "Stingray" for Thailand. Source: arsenal-info.ru

Tank "Stingray" for Thailand. Source: arsenal-info.ru

In the mid-90s, Cadillac Gage decided to re-enter the armored vehicle market, but with an updated version of the Stingray 2 tank. Unlike the base model, this vehicle had reinforced armor that could protect against 30 mm armor-piercing shells in the frontal projection and 20 mm shells in the side. The changes also affected the fire control system, which was now completely identical to the M1A1 Abrams tank, including aiming automation and thermal imaging devices.

"Stingray 2" was offered for purchase by the armies of Thailand and Taiwan, but was refused.

Tanks "Stingray" army of Thailand. Source: grogheads.com

Tanks "Stingray" army of Thailand. Source: grogheads.com

To date, the Stingray continues to regularly carry out combat service in Thailand, whose tank fleet has already become one of the most diverse in the world: from the American M41 Walker Bulldog and M60 to the Chinese VT-4 and Ukrainian Oplots.
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  1. +6
    27 July 2022 09: 24
    SVO showed the combat capabilities of the BMD 3 and 4.
    That's all the conclusions. With frail armor, it's just a self-propelled gun.
    1. +1
      27 July 2022 09: 53
      Quote: Arkady007
      SVO showed the combat capabilities of the BMD 3 and 4.
      That's all the conclusions. With frail armor, it's just a self-propelled gun.

      And a small caliber
      1. +3
        27 July 2022 09: 57
        No matter how puffed up, a cast iron will not work out of a tin can ...
        1. +6
          27 July 2022 10: 30
          What to do with Sprut-SD?
          1. 0
            27 July 2022 16: 21
            Finally, produce as much as needed for the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps.
          2. 0
            6 September 2022 09: 48
            Same class, same tasks. However, the firepower is incomparable. 105mm rifled vs 125mm smoothbore...
    2. +6
      27 July 2022 10: 00
      Quote: Arkady007
      SVO showed the combat capabilities of the BMD 3 and 4.

      They also forgot to list all infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns. Each class of technology has its place.

      the wedge-shaped tower, when turning at 12 o'clock, did not allow the driver to leave his place through the hatch, so it had to be turned 90 degrees to the left or right.
      It's wonderful, judging by the "Abrams general layout", the driver's chances generally tended to zero.
    3. +4
      27 July 2022 11: 37
      It showed nothing of the sort. Each type of weapon has its own tasks. Within the framework of its tasks, the armament realizes itself optimally. For airborne reconnaissance operations, one of the main criteria for equipment is mobility. That means weight. You can’t bring a 60-ton tank and even a 45-ton BMPT there. So there will be a choice of either a light tank / BMD or nothing
      1. -4
        27 July 2022 12: 35
        For a reconnaissance operation up to 100 km, an UAV is enough. And then no one will go to the BMD. Times have changed.
        1. +4
          27 July 2022 12: 56
          Dada, I forgot that in the chat UAV apologists - we can eliminate military intelligence as a class lol and if SMU and UAV flights are not possible? Will you wage war only in sunny weather? laughing
          1. 0
            19 October 2022 08: 54
            Many UAVs of a class heavier than civilian mavics can fly in cloudy weather or above cloud cover. In the end, there are drill aircraft.
      2. 0
        27 July 2022 13: 22
        So there will be a choice of either a light tank / BMD or nothing

        I protest: why "nothing"?
        Arkady in berets - it will do just fine ...
        hi
    4. 0
      27 July 2022 13: 20
      SVO showed the combat capabilities of the BMD 3 and 4.
      That's all the conclusions. With frail armor, it's just a self-propelled gun.

      Indeed, it is called - "tank" ....
      Or not?
  2. +1
    27 July 2022 10: 02
    In terms of mass, their "light" tanks are approaching our MBTs. All the latest modifications of their MBT approached or stepped over 70 tons. This is a significant reduction in both direct mobility with access from the asphalt to the ground, and transport, when transporting cars and railways. It will be possible to evaluate the effectiveness of their MBTs when Leo 2A4 is handed over to the Ukrainians, they did not demonstrate anything outstanding with the Turks in Syria. But there was a different TVT and a different intensity. I think "light" tanks can be used in low-intensity conflicts with an enemy with low combat stability. Otherwise, they will quickly burn.
    1. 0
      19 October 2022 08: 56
      Well, they have tactics of war with civilians, there are enough light tanks to shoot buildings while the MBT is fighting the enemy.
  3. +1
    27 July 2022 10: 03
    It turned out not to be in demand, this is the question of the need for "Octopus-SDM1"
    1. +8
      27 July 2022 10: 20
      Quote: landromat
      It turned out not to be in demand, this is the question of the need for "Octopus-SDM1"

      In fact, the Octopus would be quite in demand. NM Corps in Donbass use Rapiers MT-12 for direct infantry support. Still, the Octopus will be better than the Rapier. At least he drives.

      As practice shows, in war they use everything that can shoot, ride, and has at least some armor. If he can shoot, but cannot drive, they put him on an MTLB or in the back of a truck. Trucks are armored with iron sheets, logs and sandbags.

      And here is the finished solution. It rides, shoots, and at least protects from riflemen and fragments. It's better than running with an automatic.
      1. +2
        27 July 2022 10: 34
        Quote: DenVB
        In fact, the Octopus would be quite in demand. NM Corps in Donbass use Rapiers MT-12 for direct infantry support. Still, the Octopus will be better than the Rapier. At least he drives.

        So this is NM. The problem there is that the motorized rifle units have degenerated into infantry, so instead of the standard means of the NPP, anti-tankmen have to deal with this.
        The state of the infantry fighting vehicles of motorized rifle units and the level of supply of spare parts and fuel and lubricants fundamentally undermines the combat power of motorized rifle units, since infantry fighting vehicles, permanently in medium repair, for which a miserable amount of diesel fuel is allocated, motorized riflemen cannot perceive otherwise than as a burden, a troublesome and useless subject of permanent expenses. As a rule, infantry fighting vehicles are not perceived as the main fire weapon of a motorized rifle squad.
        © Report of the KCPN
        If we take the regular army, wouldn't it be better to give motorized riflemen normal serial BMP-3s instead of the Octopus?
        1. 0
          27 July 2022 10: 48
          Quote: Alexey RA
          If we take the regular army, wouldn't it be better to give motorized riflemen normal serial BMP-3s instead of the Octopus?

          Better than both. BMP-3 - to squads, and, say, a platoon of "Octopus" - to a battalion. As a means of reinforcement, or as a fighter-anti-tank reserve.
          1. -1
            27 July 2022 12: 18
            Quote: DenVB
            Better than both. BMP-3 - to squads, and, say, a platoon of "Octopus" - to a battalion. As a means of reinforcement, or as a fighter-anti-tank reserve.

            The first is yes. And instead of "Octopus" it is better to give SPTRK with a set of missile defense systems. PMSM, it’s better to work out an SD target from an inconspicuous chassis or a portable launcher in general than to hammer it with direct fire from a tank gun carrier with cardboard armor.
            Yes, and the armor penetration and high-explosive action of the ATGM UR is greater than that of the 125-mm TUR - purely due to the caliber.
            1. +2
              27 July 2022 12: 57
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And instead of "Octopus" it is better to give SPTRK with a set of missile defense systems.

              Why instead? Not instead, but in addition.

              Quote: Alexey RA
              Yes, and the armor penetration and high-explosive action of the ATGM UR is greater than that of the 125-mm TUR - purely due to the caliber.


              Quote: Alexey RA
              than to hammer at it with direct fire from the carrier of a tank gun with cardboard armor

              Rockets are good for everyone, except for one thing - price and availability. It's no secret that they usually shoot not at the enemy they see, but where he may be. Or where he was seen a minute ago. And for this, the gun is very well suited. Well, such a trifle as the speed of the projectile.

              In general, these arguments are well known, voiced a thousand times. There is a niche for almost any weapon on the battlefield.
      2. -1
        27 July 2022 10: 49
        The octopus is an expensive car 1,5 times more expensive than the T-90 and 3 BMP-3s.
        1. 0
          27 July 2022 11: 12
          Quote: landromat
          The octopus is an expensive car 1,5 times more expensive than the T-90 and 3 BMP-3s.

          If this is the case, then most likely it is due to the limited series. In principle, in such a vehicle (a light tank) there is nothing that would make it much more expensive than the BMP-3. The automatic loader should most likely be removed and replaced with a loader. The gun, of course, is desirable to convert to unitary shots.
          1. +1
            27 July 2022 12: 59
            Quote: landromat
            Octopus expensive car 1,5 times more expensive than t-90
            In honor of what is it more expensive than the T-90? The electronic filling is most likely unified. The cannon is a kind of tank gun (the rollback is twice as large and in detail). Gun automation - like the T-72-90. The hull - so the T-90 has a much more complicated design than the light Octopus. In general, there is nowhere for a higher high price to come from. Unless if you compare the T-90 in the configuration, where it has neither a panorama for the commander, nor a normal sight for the gunner (without a normal matrix), with the SAO 2S25M Sprut-SDM1, where it is all there.
      3. +1
        27 July 2022 10: 54
        There is a hint at the beginning of the article, and I recently wrote a comment on the article about the Griffin: there is a sense in a light tank when you need to transfer twice as much firepower to the right place. The C-130 Globemaster fits 1 MBT or 2 light tanks. But in the United States, no one drops tanks with a parachute, and in the USSR / RF, "cardboard" armored vehicles are supposed to be parachuted this way. Interestingly, nothing like this is practiced in the NMD, and the Airborne Forces participate in combined arms battles on their helpless BMD. And in combined arms combat, an ordinary tank is much more useful than the Sprut (which is not at all so much cheaper than a tank as it is tenacious). An octopus would be good if it were dropped on platforms from a low flight altitude of a transporter, well, it simply has to keep 30mm in the forehead, and have a KAZ. And the paratroopers should not ride on top of it, but should be far ahead, clearing the area from grenade launchers and mortars.
        1. 0
          6 September 2022 09: 56
          Landings on the NVO are still to come. It's too early to draw conclusions.
      4. -3
        27 July 2022 11: 48
        Quote: DenVB

        NM Corps in Donbass use Rapiers MT-12 for direct infantry support. Still, the Octopus will be better than the Rapier. At least he drives.

        It doesn't matter what they use out of desperation. Tanks should provide direct fire support. It's like they were made for that. Two Octopuses stand like three T-90m. And the Octopus is either military experiments. and then I'm ready to put up with it, or another mass grave.
    2. +2
      27 July 2022 10: 37
      Quote: landromat
      this is about the need for "Octopus-SDM1"

      Nothing is heard about this car and its participation in the NWO. And how many of them do we have. Firstly, they are in service only in the Airborne Forces, and secondly, judging by the available information, there are only about 40 of them. In the Airborne Forces, during operations behind enemy lines, they will naturally find themselves in their place. Throwing them into combined arms combat as a breakthrough tank with modern anti-tank weapons ............
      1. -1
        27 July 2022 11: 48
        I'm talking about the fact that the Airborne Forces participate in the SVO on their BMD in combined arms battles. Armored vehicles have never been thrown into the rear by airborne landing.
        All Russian light armored vehicles (maybe except for the BMP-3) do not hold 30mm in the forehead, and this is the main weapon of the Ukrainian BTR-3 and BTR-4. There is a video where the BTR-4 pierces the BMP-1 or BMP-2 through the forehead, with very bad consequences for the fighters who hid behind the stern and considered themselves relatively safe.
        1. +1
          27 July 2022 11: 59
          About the future of the Airborne Forces, armored vehicles and its use in the NWO
          https://ok.ru/video/3653767203456
        2. +3
          27 July 2022 13: 31
          There is a video where the BTR-4 flashes the BMP-1 or BMP-2 through the forehead,

          You might think that the BMP-2 will not flash the BTR-4 through the forehead ...

          What is the point of the example?
    3. +1
      27 July 2022 11: 26
      On landing equipment, you roll balconies in vain!stop You can't drop T90 from an airplane laughing but it’s still better for the landing force to have at least something than nothing at all! With all the effectiveness of ATGMs, today there are many gizmos that reduce their capabilities, and a tank gun, albeit in light armor, is a powerful weapon that can finish any enemy good
      1. 0
        27 July 2022 11: 55
        You may not drop the T-90, but the same Octopus or Griffin or Stingray in the same way as in the video is quite. Here you have an approach at low altitude, and there are no these giant parachute domes in the sky, which can be seen for kilometers.
        1. +5
          27 July 2022 12: 14
          We have the Airborne Forces, the Americans have the Airborne Forces .... well, etc. But here's the question when there was a major landing of troops in combat conditions over the past 40-50 years. Not from helicopters, but massively from aircraft with the release of large forces, armored vehicles, artillery .... In 1982, the Afghan Panjshir operation, landed more than 4000 people, landed from helicopters by landing method. Everything.
          In the NWO, unfortunately, landing armor did not prove itself in any way
          1. 0
            27 July 2022 13: 22
            What kind of armored vehicles should be in "Uncle Vasya's troops" was determined by Margelov.
            But if he is considered incompetent in this matter, then yes, it's time for the landing force to switch to heavy equipment. Another question is that after that they will be able to solve tasks that are not much more difficult than those that are available to ordinary infantry.
            1. +4
              27 July 2022 13: 32
              Since the time of Uncle Vasya, a lot has changed and, first of all, means of destruction, air defense means. Do you think many aircraft will fly to the landing sites with an air defense system firing range of over 100 km?
              And in what operations, landing operations did the landing equipment of the Airborne Forces in the NWO participate. Yes, in none. The paratroopers perform the role of ordinary infantry, only their weapons are weaker.
              There were several landing operations. One of them is Gostomel. Only a breakthrough and landing was carried out by helicopters and ours did not have any armor there.
            2. +3
              27 July 2022 14: 19
              Quote: Bad_gr
              What kind of armored vehicles should be in "Uncle Vasya's troops" was determined by Margelov.
              But if he is considered incompetent in this matter, then yes, it's time for the landing force to switch to heavy equipment.

              The problem is that the theoretical constructions of comrade Margelov crashed against the harsh reality already in the days of the USSR.
              Firstly, the VTA, even in its best years, could throw out a little more than one division with equipment and supplies. And, secondly, after the end of the Second World War, the Airborne Forces in a combat situation are used for the most part as elite motorized rifles. Equipment and most of the personnel, at best, are landed by landing on airfields captured by advanced detachments, and at worst, they are generally transported by rail. Moreover, in prolonged conflicts, even the staff and weapons of the Airborne Forces begin to mutate into something motorized rifle-like.
              Now the picture is even worse - with the growth of the dimensions and mass of the equipment of the Airborne Forces, the available BTA will be enough for us to parachute the regiment with everything standard, no more. I’m not even talking about suppressing air defense on the route and in the landing zone and isolating the landing area with the existing Air Force forces ... And in real life, the Airborne Forces have to fight either together, or instead of, or ahead of motorized riflemen.
              So, in fact, our airborne troops are now airborne, the main method of landing is landing, the main method of use is to strengthen ground forces in threatened directions and operate in the same formation with panting.
              1. 0
                27 July 2022 14: 50
                The Germans, until recently, arranged "Wiesel"

                Now they ordered a device in a cooler way, but again, not on a tank basis. Stupid than ours?
                Here is a contender for Wiesel's place
                1. +2
                  27 July 2022 15: 31
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  The Germans, until recently, arranged "Wiesel"

                  Now they ordered a device in a cooler way, but again, not on a tank basis. Stupid than ours?

                  Smarter - the Germans did not bother with the mandatory parachute landing, throwing this option out after unsuccessful tests. And they made a universal chassis for airmobile connections - with landing landing and transportation by helicopters.
                  I am not against air mobility. I am against the requirements for mandatory parachute landing equipment. In practice, it is used only for window dressing, but at the same time it forces developers to squeeze MGH equipment not into the dimensions and carrying capacity of aircraft, but into the dimensions and carrying capacity of parachute platforms. Which, moreover, eat up to one and a half tons of useful mass and some height of the cargo compartment - which, if they were abandoned, could be used to protect airborne combat vehicles.
                  1. +4
                    27 July 2022 15: 37
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    dimensions and carrying capacity of parachute platforms. Which, moreover, eat up to one and a half tons of useful mass and some height of the cargo compartment - which, if they were abandoned, could be used to protect airborne combat vehicles .....
                    On the BMD-4M, this is taken into account. She has a different configuration: if a parachute system is not used, then additional protection is put on the same weight.

                    For some reason, everyone forgets that with our extended borders, landings may be needed over our own territory, where there is no enemy air defense or mines, but at the same time mobility is important for operational assistance to the very same border guards.
        2. -1
          27 July 2022 12: 41
          Forget about these experiments of the 80s as unsuccessful.
  4. +1
    27 July 2022 10: 52
    Firepower is good, but no one canceled the protection. RPG - 7 are common on the planet, in quantities slightly less than AK))))
  5. +3
    27 July 2022 11: 14
    The destiny of light tanks is participation in anti-terrorist operations. It is impossible to use it as a tank against an enemy with anti-tank systems and any kind of artillery. Octopus and BMD of all stripes, this is a crime and lobbying of the Airborne Forces for their interests. but these vehicles cost more than full-fledged BMP-3s with a dragoon or T-90m.
    For the entire time of the existence of the Russian Airborne Forces, not a single armored vehicle was dropped by parachute in the combat zone.
    Wherever the Airborne Forces fought, he transferred to army infantry fighting vehicles. The only AFV that I believe that the landing will receive in the rear is the German flea.
    1. +1
      27 July 2022 13: 33
      Where did the information come from that the octopus is more expensive than the new T-90?
      hi
  6. 0
    27 July 2022 12: 09
    A light tank is not much cheaper than the main one, an ordinary cannon with a firing range of 2 km, that is, an ATGM hit, a fairly easily destroyed target.
  7. 0
    27 July 2022 12: 56
    No one needs a dranlulet ...
    1. 0
      27 July 2022 16: 37
      Hindus need it, drive and shoot along mountain roads and bridges.
      1. 0
        27 July 2022 17: 17
        If needed, would have already purchased. And since there are no customers, it means complete trash on the tracks.
  8. 0
    15 October 2022 11: 22
    Sheridan had a powerful gun. In the jungle, she showed herself well, including shooting shrapnel.
  9. 0
    16 October 2022 21: 32
    Well, we also have this ok. "Sprut-D".
    In general, effective managers went crazy here and there.
    Cardboard ersatz tank with large fluff..
    It is very beneficial for the military-industrial complex, the minimum cost and the disposable crew do not care at all.
    Bourgeois creatures..
    Applause. . I will re-read the complete collection of Marx and Engels.
    But this will not help the guys on the front line .. But maybe they will think about what they are fighting for?