Ukraine is fighting on T-64BV tanks: what is the armor of these vehicles

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Source: ru.wikipedia.org

Source: ru.wikipedia.org

In one of the previous materials, we have already considered the composition of the booking of Czechoslovak and Polish tanks T-72M/M1 transferred to Ukraine. However, despite the import of equipment and heavy losses, the T-64BV, produced in the USSR, continues to be the qualitative basis of the armored formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These vehicles have an automatic fire control system, tolerable armor and hinged dynamic protection. About what their armor consists of and what it is capable of, we will talk in this article.

Commander's version of the T-64BV. Source: en.wikipedia.org

Commander's version of the T-64BV. Source: en.wikipedia.org

The first "combined"


It's no secret that the Soviet Union became the first country in the world to use combined armor in the mass production of tanks, consisting of metal and non-metal elements. The transition to such a scheme was due to the rapid growth in the penetration ability of armor-piercing sub-caliber and cumulative projectiles and, in particular, the widespread use of the 105-mm L7 rifled gun in NATO countries.



The first tank to receive combined armor was the Kharkov T-64, which for a long time was considered the embodiment of advanced design ideas and really surpassed its "classmates" from the West. However, being the first-born of a new generation of Soviet combat vehicles, this tank relatively quickly lost relevance in terms of armor parameters.

By the mid-80s, the T-64, having been repeatedly upgraded, began to yield to the T-72 and T-80 in terms of protection. Indeed, the ceramic-filled turret, which was virtually unchanged on all modifications, and the fiberglass hull armor scheme had already reached their limit and could not provide adequate resistance to anti-tank weapons, especially cumulative ones. Nevertheless, in 1985, the T-64BV was adopted, which became the last argument of the entire series of "sixty-fours" and could still somehow compete with the Leningrad and Tagil tanks.

From open sources it is known that after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got about 2 T-300 tanks, of which there were 64 T-64BV units. And this is not counting the newly produced in the post-Soviet era. Today, these outdated vehicles are considered one of the most combat-ready in the Ukrainian army.

Turret armor composition


Even from the very beginning of mass production, which started in 1964, there were some disputes with the T-64 turrets. According to the initial ideas, they were not supposed to contain any non-metallic elements at all, so the cars of the first releases received a tower, in the “cheekbones” of which there were inserts of high hardness steel. However, due to problems with survivability during shelling, technological nuances and increased mass, they were subsequently abandoned.

The second common option was a tower with inserts made of ductile aluminum alloy. With a total thickness of up to 600 mm, it provided protection in steel equivalent at the level of 400 mm from sub-caliber and 450 mm from HEAT shells.

T-64 with a turret fitted with aluminum filler. Source: asu100.ru

T-64 with a turret fitted with aluminum filler. Source: asu100.ru

The sixty-four turret acquired its final form on the later T-64A series and remained practically unchanged, with the exception of some modifications, on all subsequent modifications - the T-64B and T-64BV.

Its main differences from previous models were the reduced thickness of the frontal part to 450 mm and ceramic inserts based on aluminum oxide, also known as corundum. For the production of armor, aluminum ceramics were sintered into spherical shapes of relatively small diameter. Then these corundum balls, wrapped with thick metal wire, were placed in special niches in the "cheekbones" of the tower and filled with armored steel.

One of the models of towers with corundum balls. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

One of the models of towers with corundum balls. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

The armor scheme of the tower with corundum balls. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

The armor scheme of the tower with corundum balls. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Corundum ball for armoring T-64A turrets and later modifications. Source: warspot.ru

Corundum ball for armoring T-64A turrets and later modifications. Source: warspot.ru

How turret armor works


The main advantage of ceramics, as a protective element, was increased anti-cumulative resistance, and its highest hardness faded into the background, yielding to its "energy" properties. The fact is that at the moment of impact of the cumulative jet on the corundum ball (block), the ceramics begins to actively crumble and shrink from the shock wave. As soon as the cumulative jet moves a little further, the pressure behind it subsides and the ceramic sand, releasing the compression energy, falls into the channel of the hole and fills up the jet, tearing it apart. Thus, its penetration ability is significantly reduced.

Schematic effect of ceramics on a cumulative jet. SW is a shock wave, VR is a rarefaction wave. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

Schematic effect of ceramics on a cumulative jet. SW is a shock wave, VR is a rarefaction wave. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

A cumulative jet at the exit from a barrier with ceramics. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

A cumulative jet at the exit from a barrier with ceramics. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

In practice, the corundum turret T-64BV gives resistance to HEAT rounds in the region of 450 mm. This may not sound like much, but given that the aluminum turret described above provided the same durability and was 150mm thicker, the weight gain is clear.

As for the feathered sub-caliber shells, the T-64 ceramics do not particularly work against them, although they make some contribution due to their hardness. The basis of protection against these anti-tank weapons is the steel mass of the tower, so the equivalent of them is approximately similar to that of the "cumulatives" and is 450 mm.

However, in addition to passive armor, the T-64BV turret is equipped with Kontakt-1 hinged dynamic protection units. It is effective only against single-block cumulative weapons and, according to the open data of the Research Institute of Steel, gives the equivalent of 300–350 mm against grenades and missiles, as well as about 200–250 mm against cumulative artillery shells.

As a result, we have the following: on the turret, the T-64BV tank, depending on the angle of fire and the type of projectile, provides protection against cumulative weapons equivalent to 650-800 mm and an average of 450 mm from sub-caliber projectiles.

Hull armor composition


With the armor of the frontal part of the hull, in contrast to the towers, the "sixty-four" was somewhat more stable. Starting with the "antediluvian" T-64s, produced since 1964 and armed with a 115-mm smoothbore gun, a rather simple armor scheme was used for the upper frontal part of the hull, consisting of an external 80-mm steel sheet, two sheets of armored fiberglass with a total thickness of 105 mm in the middle and back 20 mm steel sheet.

Schematic representation of the design of the upper frontal part of the T-64 hull. Source: warspot.ru

Schematic representation of the design of the upper frontal part of the T-64 hull. Source: warspot.ru

This "layer cake" gave protection that was equivalent to 333 mm against armor-piercing sub-caliber projectiles and about 450 mm against HEAT weapons. It was quite enough to provide acceptable resistance to shells from the 105-mm NATO L7 gun. However, by the beginning of the 80s, this level of booking was already considered minimal and inconsistent with modern realities.

On the T-64BV tanks and the latest T-64B series, a new protection scheme was applied. This time - five layers. It consisted of: 60 mm steel outer sheet + 35 mm fiberglass sheet + 30 mm steel sheet + 35 mm fiberglass sheet + 45 mm steel back sheet.

Schematic representation of the design of the upper frontal part of the T-64BV hull, including hinged dynamic protection. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Schematic representation of the design of the upper frontal part of the T-64BV hull, including hinged dynamic protection. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

The principle of operation of the hull armor


The principle of operation of this five-layer barrier is based both on the difference in density and hardness of materials (steel is denser and harder than textolite), and on some properties of fiberglass.

A cutout in the upper frontal part of the T-64BV hull. The five-layer protection is clearly visible. Source: warspot.ru

A cutout in the upper frontal part of the T-64BV hull. The five-layer protection is clearly visible. Source: warspot.ru

The cumulative jet, having broken through the outer steel sheet, enters the less dense medium of the textolite, where, without encountering strong resistance, it begins to stretch and break more strongly. Then on its way there is another steel sheet and a textolite layer behind it, where the situation repeats itself. The fragments of the jet in the final section of penetration are broken against the rear steel armor plate.

In addition, a secondary factor in the impact of fiberglass is its tendency to form small and large fragments that fill up the channel of the hole and break the cumulative jet.

Cumulative jet in a multilayer textolite barrier. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

Cumulative jet in a multilayer textolite barrier. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

Five-layer armor reacts differently to sub-caliber projectiles, depending on their type. Thus, shells with long cores based on ductile heavy uranium and tungsten alloys overcome it relatively easily. But shorter drummers, especially those made of hard tungsten alloys, “suffer” the most.

The mechanism of operation of the frontal armor of the T-64BV hull against sub-caliber projectiles is based on two principles: the angle of inclination and the difference in hardness and density.

At the moment of impact on the outer steel sheet, the solid core of the projectile receives initial damage, since the speed of propagation of cracks in tungsten alloys is more than 2 km / s, which exceeds the initial velocity of the projectile. Further, the core, having penetrated into the steel layer, begins to experience denormalization - lifting its nose up towards the parallel with the armor.

With a slightly curved trajectory and cracks propagating in it, the core enters a less dense textolite layer, where the curvature is somewhat enhanced. In the same place, in the textolite, the initial destruction of the core also appears. The fact is that the walls of the hole keep the core in the steel layer from scattering into pieces. In a less dense textolite, the pressure on it decreases, and it begins to crumble.

X-ray pattern of the movement of a hard-alloy striker in a textolite layer behind a steel sheet. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

X-ray pattern of the movement of a hard-alloy striker in a textolite layer behind a steel sheet. Source: "Partial questions of final ballistics"

This is followed by a second, less thick steel layer, where the broken core receives additional damage. After overcoming it, the destroyed core penetrates into the next textolite sheet and, ultimately, is retained by the rear steel sheet.

As a result, the resistance of the upper frontal part of the hull can be defined on average as 500 mm (plus or minus 20-30 mm) from HEAT and sub-caliber projectiles.

Taking into account the fact that the hull, like the turret, is equipped with the Kontakt-1 hinged dynamic protection, the final equivalent will be about 500 mm from sub-caliber projectiles and 700-850 mm from HEAT anti-tank weapons.

Conclusion


First of all, it is necessary to answer the question that, perhaps, worries many readers: why is only the frontal armor of the tank considered? Everything is quite simple. The fact is that any modern or already rather outdated main battle tank is far from being protected equally in different projections. According to the laws of differentiated booking, the greatest protection should be provided precisely in the frontal parts. There, the T-64 has the main array of armor. And the sides, stern or roof are secondary places that, with a direct shot, cannot withstand the hit of a single anti-tank weapon (unless by a lucky chance).

Now for the tank.

Back in the mid-80s, when such tanks as the T-72B and T-80U appeared, the Kharkov T-64BV was inferior to them in passive armor, especially anti-cumulative. To date, as part of a special military operation, this tank has already completely eliminated its competitors from the Russian tanks T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M, equipped with dynamic protection "Kontakt-5" and "Relic".

However, the "sixty-four" should not be completely discounted, since its forehead is quite well protected from many anti-tank grenade launchers and most artillery cumulative projectiles, due to the hinged dynamic protection. Nevertheless, for tank sub-caliber shells of the 80s, not to mention more modern ones, and missiles with a tandem warhead, this vehicle is not a serious problem. All these types of ammunition are available in sufficient quantities in the troops of the Russian Federation, so the tasks of anti-tank defense are being solved quite successfully.
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  1. +1
    11 July 2022 03: 52
    How to smelt layered armor? In the Martins?
    1. +5
      11 July 2022 04: 37
      All non-metallic armor components will turn to slag. I think so.
    2. 0
      11 July 2022 05: 29
      To do this, it needs to be cut somehow.
    3. +1
      11 July 2022 06: 58
      You'll have to get a job as a steelworker in order to learn this in practice. lol
    4. 0
      11 July 2022 10: 26
      not need to be melted down. change the composite to another
      silicon on boron, DZ contact on Relic, we put KAZ Arena
      Sights, gun, AZ - here's another generation for you
      1. +2
        11 July 2022 12: 53
        A new tank is not easier to build ??? All the more better to upgrade T72 to b3 than to spend money on T64
        1. +3
          11 July 2022 13: 04
          this is what happens with us from the T-72 to the level of the T-72B3 for about 50 million rubles.
          We do not have T-64BV in service with the RF Armed Forces
          1. +2
            11 July 2022 13: 14
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            this is what happens with us from the T-72 to the level of the T-72B3 for about 250 million rubles.

            Already 250 million? belay
            Under the furniture maker, the task was to meet 50 million. And UVZ almost met - the modernization of the T-72B3 from the T-72B cost 52 million rubles. (including the overhaul of the original tank).
            1. +1
              11 July 2022 13: 16
              I have and costs 50 million rubles. for 1 T-72B3 tank laughing
          2. 0
            11 September 2022 09: 40
            The T-64 is a Kharkiv machine, so we don't have those.
    5. +1
      11 July 2022 17: 04
      How to smelt layered armor? In the Martins?

      1st phase - complete cutting and jointing of the tank into sheets and fragments, as well as sorting them according to chemical composition and completing the appropriate industrial batches of metal, documentation, etc.
      Passports of chemical composition are issued
      2-phase arrays of unalloyed tank metal are shipped a lot to the Cherepovets MetCombine
      3rd phase high alloy steel is sent…. It's a secret
      ----
      The United States is more difficult to have uranium there.
      Are they drowning?
    6. +1
      11 July 2022 20: 57
      Ask Gorbachev. In the late 80s, early 90s, he melted down tanks into corners and channel bars. I would like to see him on this channel! The tank can only be smelted into the worst tank.
  2. +1
    11 July 2022 04: 00
    Here about dynamic protection it would be desirable more in detail.
    I thought that dz only works against cumulative ammunition, it turns out this is not the case when it comes to modern "relic" type
    1. 0
      11 July 2022 14: 49
      It is also effective against BOPS. If interested, read the article: Dynamic protection of tanks and light armored vehicles in Russia (author: Alexey Kuznetsov-Aleks TV).
      1. 0
        11 July 2022 17: 55
        I know.
        Relic breaks scrap.
        I don't fully understand how it works.
        There is a tricky connection between the layers of dz of its explosive and its detonation velocity and the inner wall of dz and its suspension
        1. 0
          11 July 2022 20: 28
          I’m not special either, but I read somewhere that the detonation of the explosive in the dz extinguishes the speed of the bops and when he gets to the armor he doesn’t have enough kinetic energy to break through it. But maybe I messed something up.
          1. 0
            11 July 2022 22: 27
            Of course not.
            the oncoming blast wave will not stop the bops, it simply will not have time to form. And the application area is extremely insufficient.

            In short, it works like this. There is an outer wall. She's fat.
            There are cc. There is an internal one, it is much thinner and there is a block suspension.
            Bops breaks through the outer wall, at an angle of course, bringing to the normal is not necessary.
            The bops breaks through it, goes through the cc and starts crashing into the bottom wall.
            At this time, the detonation of the centuries begins. BB is quite inert (this is a feature).
            When undermining, a shift occurs, so the crowbar breaks before reaching the point of concentration on the tip. There was some other clever phrase about a phase shift, I didn’t understand it.
            It is tied to the thickness of the plates, the composition of the centuries (of course!) And the method of suspension.

            Questions of final ballistics her mother!
  3. +1
    11 July 2022 04: 17
    Did you make a mistake with the hull armor? I read in another magazine that there is the equivalent of 800mm without dynamic protection. And I've seen numbers like this on more than one occasion.
    1. +10
      11 July 2022 04: 19
      I didn't make a mistake. Even a couple of tens of millimeters increased within the margin of error. Within insignificant limits.
      1. 0
        11 July 2022 05: 05
        Well, you gave data on the frontal armor, but on the tank hull, the actual armor without d / s, what is the level of protection?
        1. 0
          11 July 2022 13: 56
          At the level of quarter-1
  4. +10
    11 July 2022 04: 29
    I haven't read such an informative article in a long time! Thank you!
  5. +11
    11 July 2022 05: 01
    The article is interesting. Thanks to the author.
  6. +4
    11 July 2022 06: 56
    Everything is sensibly painted, respect and gratitude to the author. hi
  7. +2
    11 July 2022 07: 59
    Good detailed article. Respect to the author.
  8. -12
    11 July 2022 08: 19
    T64, like T72, is history. I understand Africa or the Bedouins. But in our reality it is a shame. T90 morally died. And the hype with fittings turned out to be hype. 64 like 72 were great cars. But their time is up. What to remember boobs 50 years ago? And seriously discuss their capabilities today? These tanks are not for fighting in the city. The rear is defenseless, they use roof-piercing weapons to the fullest. And then the balls, ceramics. I understand that the T54 is still fighting in places on the planet. This is true . But for Russia, this situation is shameful. It makes it clear the depth and width of the bottom. Something like this .
    1. +16
      11 July 2022 08: 56
      I hope you don’t consider Abrams junk? It's completely different, right?
      1. -6
        11 July 2022 10: 11
        Quote: demiurg
        I hope you don’t consider Abrams junk?

        Abrams is conceptually fresh (removal of ammunition from the fighting compartment). Plus, about 300 Abrams have already received the KAZ Trophy.
        1. -1
          11 July 2022 10: 18
          Quote: DenVB
          Abrams conceptually fresh (removal of ammunition from the fighting compartment)

          Have you also taken out a black man? wink

          Quote: DenVB
          Plus, about 300 Abrams have already received the KAZ Trophy

          Sucks. Roof does not protect request laughing
        2. +12
          11 July 2022 10: 26
          1. Sorry, but the tales about the fact that the Abrams and Leopards do not throw towers have lost their relevance after Iraq and Syria. Store 100-120kg of explosives + gunpowder 2 meters above the ground, fenced off from the ammo with a 20mm curtain, a great idea. And yes, it's not a concept. It's just that initially Abrams ran with L7. And with the loader, a very beautiful rate of fire was obtained. And when they stuck a normal woman, there was no place left for the rammer, like on the Merkava.
          2. Out of 6000, 300 were modernized. This is 5% In exchange for the weight of 70 tons. Another five tons, and they will overtake Jagdtiger.
          1. 0
            11 July 2022 10: 55
            Quote: demiurg
            Forgive me, but fairy tales about the fact that Abrams and Leopards do not throw towers

            I did not see the Abrams throwing the tower.

            Quote: demiurg
            Out of 6000, 300 were modernized.

            It is more interesting to divide 300 by the number of Russian linear tanks with KAZ. It will be possible to find out how many times more the Americans value their tankers compared to us.
            1. +5
              11 July 2022 11: 29
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLyj3trldoo
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6ffqOqDto
              Do you think the crew survived?

              That is, the United States saves only 5 percent of the tankers.
              1. -8
                11 July 2022 11: 59
                Quote: demiurg
                Do you think the crew survived?

                And how many, do you think, tracks in the caterpillar of the T-72?

                Quote: demiurg
                That is, the United States saves only 5 percent of the tankers.

                Divide by Russian 0 percent and get? Correctly.
                1. +7
                  11 July 2022 12: 13
                  I can't change your mind, you're from the holy javelin sect.

                  The United States is buying Griffins-2 with armor from 30mm guns. Great care for tankers.

                  Which tank is better can be judged only by the statistics of direct combat. And all the same, there will be those who will rest on the conditions, on the training of crews, and other things the wind shone in the face.
                  1. -5
                    11 July 2022 12: 38
                    Quote: demiurg
                    I can't change your mind, you're from the holy javelin sect.

                    I cannot convince you, you are obviously from the sect of reading by searching for familiar letters.

                    Quote: demiurg
                    The United States is buying Griffins-2 with armor from 30mm guns. Great care for tankers.

                    You should have seen American bulletproof vests. They don't always protect against 30mm guns either.
                  2. -3
                    12 July 2022 00: 20
                    I understand. Representatives of the Abrams sect and Nizhny Tagil. They do not know about the tanks of Japan, Korea, France and Israel. Any tank can be damaged. And even destroy. But with RPG 7, there will be no luck with some tanks. But our tanks are not even very protected from this. Yes, and the duel with Leclerc is unlikely to survive. They are different in development. Just like you and me.
            2. +2
              11 July 2022 19: 21
              And out of 6000 abrams, how many M1A2 at least? And how many of them are at least Sep2?
              There are more than half of the M1A1s that are in storage and will break through no worse than 72 at least now.
        3. +3
          11 July 2022 16: 41
          What the removal of the b / c behind the tower leads to was well shown by the Turkish Leopards-2 in Syria. Well, the Abrashs themselves are in Iraq and among the Saudis. "Frying pan" is thrown, just like our old men.
          1. 0
            11 July 2022 17: 43
            Quote: Old Tankman
            What the removal of the b / c behind the tower leads to was well shown by the Turkish Leopards-2 in Syria.

            The Leopards have ammunition in the hull, they have already discussed a hundred times.

            Quote: Old Tankman
            Well, the Abrashs themselves are in Iraq and among the Saudis. "Frying pan" is thrown

            I don't know what a "frying pan" is. They have nothing to throw a tower with.
            1. +2
              15 July 2022 15: 13
              They have nothing to throw a tower with.

              Well, well.
              https://birserg-1977.livejournal.com/325060.html
              1. -2
                15 July 2022 16: 09
                Quote: Old Tankman
                Well, well.
                https://birserg-1977.livejournal.com/325060.html

                We collect pictures, not understanding what is depicted on them? This Abrams was blown up by a powerful land mine. If you put a lot of explosives, you can make it so that the body will fly off Belaz.
                1. +3
                  15 July 2022 16: 30
                  So they can still throw "frying pans"?
                  And someone said that they have nothing to throw)))
                  By the way, he is not the only one who had something to throw.
                  That means they still fly. Oh yes, but very low.
                  1. -3
                    15 July 2022 16: 44
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    And someone said that they have nothing to throw)))

                    Well, imagine that a shell hit you. And your pumpkin flew off. It fell with a crash on the asphalt somewhere in the next street. Does this mean that you threw it like that?
                    1. +3
                      15 July 2022 17: 10
                      I have never seen a more idiotic question in my life.
                      1. -2
                        15 July 2022 17: 13
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        I have never seen a more idiotic question in my life.

                        I'm trying to explain in a way that you can understand.
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  9. 0
    11 July 2022 08: 48
    At the moment of impact on the rear steel sheet, the solid core of the projectile receives initial damage,

    The rear is internal, did I understand correctly? Experts, please comment.
    Or an error in the article?
    1. 0
      11 July 2022 10: 31
      It looks like a mistake ... the rear, in my understanding, is the last one in the barrier.
      At the moment of impact on the rear steel sheet, the solid core of the projectile receives initial damage, since the speed of propagation of cracks in tungsten alloys is more than 2 km / s, which exceeds the initial velocity of the projectile. Further, the core, having penetrated into the steel layer, begins to experience denormalization - lifting its nose up towards the parallel with the armor.
      1. +1
        11 July 2022 13: 28
        External, yes) a typo. Let's fix it
        1. -2
          11 July 2022 22: 21
          I didn’t understand why the T-72 armor is better than the T-64?
          In Iraq in 2003, Abrams' uranium OBPSs pierced
          forehead of the T-72 hull, passed the fighting compartment
          and stuck in the back of the engine.
          These were not the most advanced variants of the T-72,
          but still...
    2. 0
      11 July 2022 13: 28
      Typo, I'll fix it, thanks for pointing it out. The outer sheet, of course.
  10. +9
    11 July 2022 09: 06
    There are few tank duels. 90, but rather all 95-97% of tanks are destroyed either by aircraft / artillery or anti-tank systems.
    Nothing will save you from a direct hit with a 152mm HE. From most anti-tank systems, the protection of the T-64BV or T-72B in safe maneuvering angles is quite enough.

    So the T-64BV is quite consistent with the hostilities in which it takes part. You can discuss a less reliable suspension, oil content of 5 TD and other difficulties in its operation.
    But the T-64BV is quite capable of fighting.

    By the way, it’s strange, they are discussing the T-64, but the baron thin hatch did not appear.
  11. NSV
    +2
    11 July 2022 09: 57
    Interesting! The author is big +!!! But some comments are infuriating !!!! A tank is not for the city, dear megavolt823 !!! , and not a bad weapon !!! I think you should not compare self-propelled guns and a tank ....)
  12. 0
    11 July 2022 10: 08
    Below is an interesting comment about "Abrams" and echoes the question I wanted to ask: note that the author quite rightly titled the article as about armor tank, and not about the T-64xx tank itself! The armor must withstand modern, I'm not 1985, threats, while weighing down and limiting the tank's mobility as little as possible. But a tank is not only armor, although it is possible to attach additional protection to the armor of 1985, which we observe in Ukraine, by the way. The tank also shoots, interacts with the infantry, receives target designation, maneuvers, etc. etc

    It seems that even an old tank is technically possible to modernize precisely in terms of hinged protection, modern communication / surveillance / target designation systems - I am now returning to the Abrams. If the dimensions and the engine allow?

    In Soviet tanks, the Achilles' heel is the ammo rack in the turret, as it seems from the video from Ukraine.

    But I can’t understand what “modern threats” are from these videos. Really, ATGM? Is it really cumulatives?
    1. -2
      11 July 2022 10: 20
      Quote: Proctologist
      In Soviet tanks, the Achilles' heel is the ammunition rack in the turret.

      Soviet tanks (starting with the T-64) do not have "ammunition racks in the turret".
      1. +5
        11 July 2022 13: 48
        I will surprise you, but in the T-72A / B and T-80U there is an ammunition rack in the tower.
        1. -4
          11 July 2022 13: 57
          Quote from: vasiliy chobitok
          I will surprise you, but in the T-72A / B and T-80U there is an ammunition rack in the tower

          Surprised. Pictures not found? Or - at least where is it there, and how much is in it?
          1. +7
            11 July 2022 14: 12
            So, there are technical descriptions and even posters for cars on the network. You can see the placement of shells there.
            In the T-72A / B, two BPSs are located in the niche of the tower to the left behind the left seat.
            In the T-80U, there are six shells and two charges in the turret niche.
    2. +5
      11 July 2022 10: 30
      The ammo rack in the turret is Abrams' Achilles' heel, because all 6 rounds can be placed below the turret shoulder strap.
      T-72/90 can only ride with the one in the AZ, and it will be near the very bottom of the tank.
      1. 0
        11 July 2022 10: 43
        Quote: demiurg
        T-72/90 can only ride with what is in AZ, and it will be near the very bottom of the tank

        Exactly Yes


        And even if "not only with what is in AZ" - all the same in the tower there will be no projectile, no charge request
        1. +3
          11 July 2022 13: 54
          Quote: Repellent
          And even if "not only with what is in the AZ" - all the same, there will be no projectile or charge in the tower


          And where did you put the tower laying?
  13. -1
    11 July 2022 13: 30
    I've only read a third of the article so far. There are no words, only interjections. Almost every sentence contains incorrect or unreliable information.
    Requires detailed analysis.
    1. 0
      11 July 2022 14: 02
      Is this a teaser?
      I think many will thank you for the analysis. He will?
      By the way, I studied at 64-ku. which B From memory, there were slightly different numbers about the frontal armor package of the hull. Like three sheets of steel 50 mm each with different properties. From hard to viscous. Textolite between them. But I can mess up
      1. 0
        11 July 2022 14: 22
        Until I know, I'm thinking. It’s enough for me to disassemble the nonsense from Pasholok for years to come, and then there’s this.
        However, the "T-64" is just the direction of my research, so it won't take much time to analyze ...
    2. +1
      12 July 2022 01: 01
      In general, we discussed it with the author in private.
      According to the historical part of the claim, I stated it to him, I hope he will fix it, if the site's mechanisms allow.
      In terms of armor resistance for the T-64A / B, the data in the article correlate with those I have.
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  15. +1
    11 July 2022 14: 02
    drew attention to the comments more than to the article, and "conclusions" like "tanks are destroyed almost in a "conveyor way". Subjectively, only "special tank games" can write this. The reality is when this monster rushes and rattles at you, even in the exercises - many, very many have one desire - to run away or burrow into the globe of the earth. The article is excellent... As a person who was in a tank as a "passenger", mainly in exercises and where there are big mountains, camels and bearded men (interesting in youth) and not particularly fond of tanks - such articles are an excellent argument for developing horizons. Interestingly, inside, now also with white paint?
    1. +2
      11 July 2022 16: 50
      White. As with all armored vehicles without anti-fragmentation lining.
  16. -3
    11 July 2022 14: 45
    I wonder how a javelin or other roofer determines where the tank has a turret?
    In fact, the problem is on the surface - it is necessary to prevent the ignition of the ammunition - the solutions are a unitary projectile, reduce the number of projectiles or get rid of high-explosive fragmentation. Who will support the infantry? The terminator and the idea arose - put launchers with nurses on the tank chassis
  17. 0
    11 July 2022 19: 56
    Well... the information is quite interesting! Although it does not completely coincide with what I used to "operate" with in 2014! Even then, front-line reports noted that the main tank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the T-64BV ... T-64B is clearly in the minority! On the websites of that time, one of the arguments that Russia supplies tanks to the militia indicates the appearance in the tank units of the militia T-64A, which, they say, "practically" do not exist in Ukraine!....
  18. -1
    12 July 2022 15: 17
    If anyone used a crowbar-steel pencil, remember what, there will be a FAQ, but if you hit it not exactly into concrete, but slightly at an angle? How many times does the vertical projection area of ​​the crowbar increase at an inclination angle of 1 degree? What about 3 degrees? The pressure impulse on the plane of the armor is directly proportional to the kinetic energy of the BOPS and inversely proportional to its cross-sectional area .... And if the axis of the BOPS is slightly rotated relative to its velocity vector, what will its impact area be? What if it's long? Are you cutting?
  19. 0
    18 August 2022 17: 26
    At the very top, the tank was scared and he peed himself, or those who were sitting in it.
  20. 0
    1 September 2022 14: 44
    Quote: dmitriygorshkov
    Ask Gorbachev. In the late 80s, early 90s, he melted down tanks into corners and channel bars. I would like to see him on this channel! The tank can only be smelted into the worst tank.

    the hunchbacked already the devils on their channels have scrolled more than once, the stage of cutting the passage is going on)))
  21. 0
    10 September 2022 13: 03
    Quote: kytx
    Of course not.
    the oncoming blast wave will not stop the bops, it simply will not have time to form. And the application area is extremely insufficient.

    In short, it works like this. There is an outer wall. She's fat.
    There are cc. There is an internal one, it is much thinner and there is a block suspension.
    Bops breaks through the outer wall, at an angle of course, bringing to the normal is not necessary.
    The bops breaks through it, goes through the cc and starts crashing into the bottom wall.
    At this time, the detonation of the centuries begins. BB is quite inert (this is a feature).
    When undermining, a shift occurs, so the crowbar breaks before reaching the point of concentration on the tip. There was some other clever phrase about a phase shift, I didn’t understand it.
    It is tied to the thickness of the plates, the composition of the centuries (of course!) And the method of suspension.

    Questions of final ballistics her mother!

    I'll add my five cents.
    The principle of all types of armor, starting from spaced, is basically the same:
    1. When a BOPS hits the armor in the first layer, we create stresses in it.
    2. With the further movement of the projectile and its exit from the first layer of armor, it changes
    voltage parameters, it begins to "mangle". It starts to break down.
    3. Upon reaching the next armor layer, the projectile is destroyed.

    Well, read for enlightenment
    https://topwar.ru/1911-poslednyaya-pregrada.html
  22. -1
    11 September 2022 09: 52
    I saw an article on this portal that ours are fighting on the article, and so far the enemy has junk. Although they were already given cars with the "Battlefield" system and heat guns from various Eastern European countries, and they also had modified cars. In general, I read here on this topic, we and the enemy have a big problem with Soviet technology, namely, a loading carousel. There is nothing of the kind in it itself, the problem is in a partially combustible sleeve. If a fragment hit it - the Khan's tank, along with the crew. You must have seen in the photo from the Arab wars and the NWO, when the tank has a "blade head". It's good when there is a loader and an all-metal sleeve.
  23. 0
    13 March 2024 10: 51
    All this is long outdated. This approach of frontal armor and tank duels.
    What kind of frontal armor can we talk about if a tank can be destroyed by an infantryman with an anti-tank gun from the bushes or a cheap drone flying into the back of the turret?
    On the T64, even the side is not completely closed, and the rear and rear turret are generally open... but no, they continue to write articles and roll balls around the turret.
    This one holds the bops, this one holds the bops, and this one has balls. And then a drone with an RPG arrives and the balls end up on the 5th floor along with the tower.