Residual independence. Rearmament of Finnish snipers

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May 25, 2020 Finnish weapons manufacturer SAKO and the Finnish Defense Forces signed a "letter of intent" regarding the research and development of a family of rifles to replace the 7.62 TKIV 85 and 7.62 KIV 85 Dragunov.

The weapon, known during the testing phase as the K22, entered service as the M23 in December 2021. And the first deliveries of the new TKIV 23 (from the Finnish Tarkkuuskivääri 2023 - “2023 sniper rifle of the year”) will take place before the end of 2022. From 2023, conscripts will receive weapons, after which it is planned to get rid of most 7.62 TKIV 85 and all 7.62 TKIV 85 Dragunov.



Briefly about 7.62 TKIV 85


This is nothing more than a modernized Mosin rifle, developed, so to speak, in 1984 and using a unique cartridge in caliber 7,62 x 53R mm. No other military firearm in use today is chambered in this caliber. The use of 7.62 TKIV 85 ammunition in 7,62 x 54R mm is provided only in emergency situations when cartridges in the 53R sleeve are not available. The reason for this is the diameter of the bullet: for the Finnish cartridge it is 7,85 mm, for the Soviet cartridge it is 7,92 mm. Some 7,62 x 53R mm cartridges were loaded with a 7,88 mm intermediate bullet.


Cartridge design 7,62 x 53R

Who are SAKO?


In general, for people interested in high-precision weapons, the Finnish company SAKO does not need a special introduction. In 1917, against the backdrop of the Great October Socialist Revolution, no less than the Grand Duchy of Finland announced the Senate's statement "To the People of Finland", in which it announced its intentions to become independent. Four years later, in 4, the SAKO company appeared in the city of Helsinki (an abbreviation for Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Osakeyhtiö - “Mechanical and weapons workshops of the Security Corps”).

Initially, the company was mainly engaged in the repair and conversion of used army rifles - primarily Mosin rifles. Then the serial production of these rifles of their own modification was launched. During the Second World War, SAKO was one of the most important suppliers of weapons for the needs of the Finnish army. Currently, SAKO is part of the Nokia concern, while being in a "strategic partnership" with the Italian arms company Beretta. In 2000, the company releases the TRG (8.6 TKIV 2000) series rifle, which today is available in 5 calibers and is used by many countries, including Russia.


South Korean UDT SEAL snipers with Sako TRG M10 sniper rifles

Who are Tikkakoski?


Oy Tikkakoski Ab, founded in 1893, mainly produced sewing machines and consumer durables. From 1927 to 1940, the company also began producing M27 rifles, which later received the nickname "Pistikorva" (Pystykorva - "spitz", or literal translation from Finnish - "ears up", due to the modification of the aiming bar).


In 1983, SAKO bought Tikkakoski and created Oy Sako-Tikka Ab. The Tikkakoski name was later dropped from the name, but SAKO continues to use the Tikka brand for the T3X series of rifles. The T3 series rifles are highly valued by hunters and high-precision sportsmen for their convenience, workmanship and accuracy. In June 2016, the Tikka T3x TAC A1 modular rifle, presented in several calibers, saw the light of day.


Tikka T3x TAC A1

What is 7,62 TKIV 23?


The numbers 7,62 now mean 7,62 NATO instead of 7,62 x 53R mm. By analogy with the retiring predecessor, the new rifles will be in bolt-action (7,62 TKIV 23) and semi-automatic (7,62 KIV 23) versions. The sniper version of the rifle is planned to be equipped with M7XI 2,9-20x50 sights manufactured by Steiner with an MSR2 reticle.

The MSR grid was developed by the FinnAccuracy shooting organization and consisted of various practicing shooters: professional snipers, full-time and retired military, as well as sports shooters, LEO (law enforcement officers) - police officers and LR (long range or benchrest) shooters. The main contribution to the development came from Finnish active snipers and reservists, which directly affected the final result.

Residual independence. Rearmament of Finnish snipers

The DMR version of the rifle (7,62 KIV 23) will be equipped with Trijicon VCOG 1–6×24. In fact, the weapon is an analogue of the AR-10 with a short piston stroke and a hanging barrel. The most important feature can be called a barrel length of 16 inches (406 mm), in contrast to the 20 inches (508 mm) preferred in other countries.


Unfortunately, there are very few photographs of 7,62 KIV 23 and are used mainly provided by the Finnish Defense Forces

Conclusion


I don't quite understand why it took so long to update. Probably because in fact there are not so many snipers in the Finnish army. The transition to NATO 7,62 in this year 2022 looks quite symbolic, given that on July 5 Finland joined NATO, with which it has been cooperating since the 1990s.

Of course, the Finns know how to make good sniper rifles, but for the most part, conscripts will not get these good rifles in their hands. After returning from service, they will have the opportunity to collect the AR they are used to from what can be found on a shelf in a weapons store.

In general, such a decision is similar to the way the Swiss army liable for military service keeps regular weapons at home all the time after they receive them, the only difference is that Finland is ready to sell them to its reservists.

And yet, no matter how “ordinary” the Finnish rifle may be against the background of the adoption of the same Sig MCX, the fact that everything from the cartridge to the reticle in the sight will be produced domestically indicates a balanced and far-sighted decision.
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  1. +1
    7 July 2022 06: 22
    The Finns were actually accepted into NATO. This means that all weapons of the Finnish army will be converted to NATO standards. Therefore, their submachine guns and their gunsmiths "will forever remain in the memory of the grateful Finnish people ..."
  2. +5
    7 July 2022 06: 28
    but the fact that everything from the cartridge to the reticle in the sight will be produced domestically indicates a balanced and far-sighted decision.

    Send this phrase directly to our Ministry of Defense. Especially about cartridges, they produce something here too ... Although yes, it’s even worse about sights
    1. +2
      7 July 2022 06: 47
      Quote: Cowbra
      Send this phrase directly to our Ministry of Defense. Especially about cartridges, to produce something and we produce ...

      It is necessary not to send a phrase, but to send those who do this:
      At the same time, additional funds are spent on such areas of activity as the state judiciary (plus 28 billion), the prosecutor's office (10,5 billion), as well as the implementation of the functions of other federal bodies - the last point an additional 474 billion rubles were allocated. By the way, it includes the wage fund of individual officials, such as assistant senators - 233 billion is allocated for the development of federal relations and the creation of conditions for effective financial management in addition to previously approved expenditures.

      https://usapress.net/byvshij-sssr/1018-bondarenko-vlast-vtikharya-urezaet-raskhody-na-sotsialku-v-razgar-krizisa?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    2. 0
      7 July 2022 12: 24
      With their population .... you can generally buy everything ..... the main question is the supply of ammunition. Therefore, with the caliber you need not to mess up
  3. 0
    7 July 2022 06: 48
    It did not sit quietly with the three-rulers. We would sit further. That's because NATO wanted. Is this such a perverted form of showing a desire to become part of the Russian Empire? And they will bring the infection. Will have to join. Why only?
  4. +8
    7 July 2022 06: 50
    The project of a new semi-automatic machine for the Ministry of Defense of the microwave failed, did not pass the test. Rukoshops from the "Kalashnikov Concern" in their repertoire. Therefore, SVD-M is our everything for the next decades. There will only be numbers to add: M2, M3 ...
    1. +1
      7 July 2022 07: 59
      Quote: FRoman1984
      the project of a new semi-automatic device for the Ministry of Defense of the microwave failed, did not pass the test. Rukoshops from the "Kalashnikov Concern" in their repertoire. Therefore, SVD-M is our everything for the next decades. There will only be numbers to add: M2, M3 ...


      this is sadness: they look at everything as an "inexhaustible feeder", why something new, why (them)?
    2. +3
      7 July 2022 08: 06
      Rukoshops from the "Kalashnikov Concern" in their repertoire.
      In this concern, there has been a generational change for a long time, several times already. And they have nothing to do with the developers of the 50-70s, they only use the trademark.
      1. +2
        7 July 2022 22: 07
        Quote: Aviator_
        Rukoshops from the "Kalashnikov Concern" in their repertoire.
        In this concern, there has been a generational change for a long time, several times already. And they have nothing to do with the developers of the 50-70s, they only use the trademark.

        I'm just about the same. That generation, which created the PC, SVD, AK (AKM, AK-74), is gone, and the new one is not capable of anything.
        1. 0
          11 July 2022 01: 34
          What are you talking about? Do you know how tasks are set for designers in organizations like Kalashnikov or ZID? The first thing that is required is compliance with mass production technologies and a certain percentage of unification with existing samples, and there is no qualitative breakthrough from this. The same Lobaev or Weapon Systems create from scratch, they are artists and paint their paintings as they are seen, and not as they were lowered from above. But to be honest, I have a hand-assembled Tiger with perfectly fitted parts and a high-precision barrel, at godfather Heckler and Koch, if I shoot with high-quality sniper cartridges, my barrel is not inferior in the slightest, but the price of my barrel, taking into account all the improvements, is equal to the price of an imported barrel. So what could be better to invest in the means of production, hone the assembly technology and it is very important to produce truly sniper ammunition and not have to fence the garden with new models?
          1. 0
            30 August 2022 20: 38
            So what could be better to invest in the means of production, hone the assembly technology and it is very important to produce truly sniper ammunition and not have to fence the garden with new models?


            Lobaev invested in the most modern equipment, gathered excellent specialists, developed unique technologies, but no one concludes contracts for the supply of sniper weapons for the army and the Russian Guard......
            At least the GRU special forces were provided with modern sniper weapons, and that would be the case ....
            For eight brigades of a hundred rifles + two hundred in reserve.
            A thousand barrels in five years for the Lobaev plant is a completely feasible task and excellent support from the state.

            TSVL-8 M5 Dominator .338 LM

            DXL-3 Retaliation .338 LM
            1. +1
              1 September 2022 07: 50
              Quote: assault
              So what could be better to invest in the means of production, hone the assembly technology and it is very important to produce truly sniper ammunition and not have to fence the garden with new models?


              Lobaev invested in the most modern equipment, gathered excellent specialists, developed unique technologies, but no one concludes contracts for the supply of sniper weapons for the army and the Russian Guard......
              At least the GRU special forces were provided with modern sniper weapons, and that would be the case ....
              For eight brigades of a hundred rifles + two hundred in reserve.
              A thousand barrels in five years for the Lobaev plant is a completely feasible task and excellent support from the state.

              TSVL-8 M5 Dominator .338 LM

              DXL-3 Retaliation .338 LM

              Dmitry, the question is not even in this or that rifle, Lobaev or Mannlicher, but in the fact that a domestic factory cartridge is not produced on domestic components. The Novosibirsk Cartridge Plant produced and probably produces a meager amount of ammunition, but the bullet was 250gr from the Finnish Lapua. Pay attention to accuracy: above one and a half minutes. This is very bad. One more nuance: we do not know how to make repeatable gunpowder. Characteristics vary from batch to batch, for a machine gun it doesn't matter, but for sniper ammunition it's critical.
              http://www.lveplant.ru/new_ru.php?id_news=34
    3. +2
      7 July 2022 08: 35
      Quote: FRoman1984
      The project of a new semi-automatic machine for the Ministry of Defense of the microwave failed, did not pass the test.

      Tried to find the latest information. Autumn publics are full of hats "Microwave passed the test."
      Haven't found anything newer.
      Share it?
      1. +1
        7 July 2022 22: 28
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: FRoman1984
        The project of a new semi-automatic machine for the Ministry of Defense of the microwave failed, did not pass the test.

        Tried to find the latest information. Autumn publics are full of hats "Microwave passed the test."
        Haven't found anything newer.
        Share it?

        In groups on "high-precision" in whatsapp, they discussed a lot about a year ago.
        It is likely that KK decided not to advertise the failure, and therefore the silence in the news.
  5. +1
    7 July 2022 09: 22
    SAKO continues to use the Tikka brand for the T3X series of rifles. The T3 series rifles are highly valued by hunters and high-precision sportsmen for their convenience, workmanship and accuracy.


    Tikka T3 for hunting, amazing rifle. Tikka T3 Stainless is especially good, this modification is premium, it has several calibers. Accordingly, the charges for this modification are applied with different destructive power. The price really bites, but it's worth the money.
    1. +3
      7 July 2022 10: 04
      I spit in the Tikku store in .223 somehow in my hands - her receiver turned out to be luminous. If I'm not mistaken, it's class (and price) is thinner than SAKO. According to rumors, they are now making barrels in Turkey - because it is more profitable for the Beretta concern.
      1. +1
        7 July 2022 11: 43
        Quote: hhurik
        I spit in the Tikku store in .223 somehow in my hands - her receiver turned out to be luminous. If I'm not mistaken, she's class (and price) thinner


        I have a Tikka T3 Stainless, perfect, but also priced at 1300 bucks.
        1. +2
          7 July 2022 12: 08
          Then my license was ending, and SAKO in stainless steel could only be ordered through the store, it’s not a fact that they would have been brought on time. But I remember I was surprised - the barrel was drilled like scrap and a luminous box. what And it cost over 2000 bucks naked, I remember exactly.

          I also considered buying a funny Mannlicher Scout .223, with a stock of color like regular PM handles, his forend turned into a bipod with a slight movement and a spare magazine was mounted in the butt. The barrel is thin and short, like a pencil, like a survivalist carbine. But also a lumine receiver.
          I don’t understand this - you can’t screw a decent sight, it will fall off under weight or pinch the bar with rings. Everything should be made of steel, stainless, bed - plastic or laminate. Don't go to a fortune teller.
          1. +2
            7 July 2022 14: 05
            Quote: hhurik
            Everything should be made of steel, stainless, bed - plastic or laminate.

            I am also for steel, but in the old fashioned way, I love wood bed.
            I took it back in the beginning of 2000 and straight from the store in Turku, my wife's brother had his own weapons store.
      2. 0
        12 September 2022 14: 11
        .223 is not for hunting .... except for a fox or a wolf ...
  6. +3
    7 July 2022 09: 26
    The transition to 7,62 NATO looks quite symbolic

    I don't see anything symbolic. The 7,62 NATO cartridge is structurally more accurate than the x54 welt cartridge.
    And the author did not mention one of the world's largest manufacturers of gunpowder, the Finnish company Vihtavuori.
    1. -1
      7 July 2022 14: 30
      The 7,62 NATO cartridge is structurally more accurate than the x54 welt cartridge.

      How does the presence / absence of a welt on a cartridge case affect the accuracy of combat of semi-automatic weapons?
    2. 0
      12 September 2022 14: 13
      Yes, excellent gunpowder, no deliveries are expected until the end of the year .. Scraping in the bottom of the barrel .. Soon there will be nothing to equip ..
  7. -2
    7 July 2022 10: 14
    The Finns are preparing for the war before last. Of course, accurate shooters and betting on them is a good topic, but the potential conflict will not be Soviet-Finnish 2.0, there are already a lot of means of fighting snipers and detecting enemy activity, aiming artillery at these places, etc. Or rather, they SHOULD be, CBO shows very well how much the state of affairs is changing if it is, or vice versa.
    So all these movements are more for the psychological reassurance of the population than for real security.
    Some states place excessive hopes on potential guerrilla warfare, the deployment of which would have been a problem even 50 years ago, and even more so now. In the current military conflict, guerrilla warfare is not in the conditions of mountains or really dense jungles - this is such a thing in relatively small areas. The UAV has become too high resolution, good cameras and optics. Calculate and burn out the entire nest with the "wrong bees". The "urban guerilla" also has a lot of restrictions, and for relatively sparsely populated, technical infrastructure-riddled cities in the Baltics or Finland, it is approaching with great doubt.
    1. +1
      7 July 2022 23: 47
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Some states place excessive hopes on potential guerrilla warfare, the deployment of which would have been a problem even 50 years ago, and even more so now. In the current military conflict, guerrilla warfare is not in the conditions of mountains or really dense jungles - this is such a thing in relatively small areas. The UAV has become too high resolution, good cameras and optics.

      Have you ever seen the forests of Finland? Yes, there is almost one "needles"! And on ... on all aviation, she simply will not see anything! There is a natural counterweight against thermal imagers and it is called MOX, which is simply in abundance! So, no need to run ahead of the locomotive!
    2. +2
      8 July 2022 20: 34
      "The Finns are preparing for the war before last" ///
      ---
      They bought 60 pcs. F-35, if you remember.
      And the most modern anti-ship missiles on the coast.
      Mobile mortars based at Patria. Etc.
      Prepare correctly - for the wars of the future.
  8. 0
    7 July 2022 11: 13
    Quote: Author
    that on July 5, Finland joined NATO, with which it had cooperated since the 1990s.

    1. Did not join.
    04.06. Negotiations were held in record time
    05.06. The protocol is signed, but this is not an introduction
    2. She has been cooperating since 1995, but she began to bring everything to NATO standards since 1991.
    In 1991, the USSR collapsed, and in 2022, the NWO began. It seems to me that the events in Finland and ours are closely connected
  9. 0
    7 July 2022 14: 57
    In Finland, service in the army does not have such prestige as ours. The people there are very passive in their essence, here’s a beer to drink ..............
    Their hunting rules are interesting, they all wear red and even ski in winter
    1. +3
      8 July 2022 16: 46
      We now also have to wear a vest on a collective hunt ... But this is not scary - ungulates do not distinguish colors.
    2. 0
      12 September 2022 14: 17
      As a hunter, you know that animals do not distinguish colors, so you can walk in a coniferous forest in orange jackets .. but not in blue ones, for example, roe deer react to the color of the sky, so leave your jeans at home .. In Sweden, for example, to participate you have to take a test to hunt. Get in or not..
  10. +3
    7 July 2022 20: 01
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    The 7,62 NATO cartridge is structurally more accurate than the x54 welt cartridge.

    How does the presence / absence of a welt on a cartridge case affect the accuracy of combat of semi-automatic weapons?

    Well, firstly, the article is not only about semi-automatic.
    And secondly, in the case of a welted cartridge, its positioning in the chamber occurs along the welt, and in the case of a bezelless cartridge, along the shoulders (cone). Compare shoulder. Well, the problems of feeding from the store (especially if the store has more than 10 rounds) of a welt cartridge take place.
  11. 0
    8 July 2022 16: 45
    T3 - very good) This is a budget variant, Sako is more expensive. I am pleased with her, and when I bought it, the price was 5000 ryu more expensive than the 9-1 elk, which feels like it was made with an ax and a file .... The Sako company itself is part of the Beretta arms concern, which makes a lot of high-quality weapons, but completely according to military models not in the lead. Tactical Tikki T3 began to be made relatively recently, but Sako TRGs have been made for a very long time, in .308 win, .300 win mag, 338LM ... Cool and fairly inexpensive (in their class) rifles. I am surprised that the Finns still used the mosquito, because. they make their rifles very well.