Leader ranking among automats

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Recently it has become fashionable to do ratings weaponsIt is not clear, however, that this is the cause, or a series of programs on the Discovery channel, or something else. In a word, I couldn’t resist fashion and autumn aggravation and decided to make my own small rating of automata, I hope that it will seem more objective to visitors of the site than the rating of foreign experts, well, and if I forget someone’s favorite toy, I’m asking to throw stones those that are easier. We will not make lists of TOP-100 and TOP-1000, we will limit ourselves to 7 prize places. Seven - and the figure is beautiful, and not very big, at least by the time you read the last lines of the shooting charts, the first will not be forgotten, well, and if the rating passes the test of the masses, then there will be machine guns broken by purpose, and not all heap, and pistols, and stuff. Not immediately, of course, but they will.

I just want to make an amendment to the fact that the rating is called “among the machine guns”, but there will be automatic rifles, but many people know that the term machine gun can only be attributed to an automatic rifle, and not to an automatic rifle. In turn, the carbine is a shortened version of a rifle, roughly speaking, many suggest measuring the barrel length with calibers and, on the basis of the measurement, make a conclusion: the carbine in front of us is automatic or a rifle, but, I think, there is nothing to show your mind where it is not necessary. If our domestic automatic rifles and automatic rifles are historically called automatic weapons, then they should be called that way, because everyone understands what kind of weapon they are, and even then, only we have automatic weapons, let everyone else get jealous with their long names and break their heads over what kind of weapon is a machine gun. But let’s go back to the rating, let's start not quite traditionally, from the first place, and it’s worth starting from the end, if it’s for intrigue, it’s not possible in this rating, because there can be only one unconditional leader and you can hardly find a weapon which could argue with him for first place.

1. Kalashnikov assault rifles.

In order not to single out one Kalashnikov assault rifle from all the variety, let's take everything at once. Why this weapon is in the first place to explain, I think, it is not necessary, here it is spread all over the world, and the durability of the machine gun, and a whole lot more. This weapon is not overshadowed and not the best characteristics in terms of accuracy by modern standards. In the end, the machine was created for mass weapons, and for this it fits perfectly. The simplicity of the design, maintenance and operation - all this made this type of weapon the most common in the world; moreover, one should not forget about the price during production, which allowed launching the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles in many countries, including the absence of a license for production and modernization . Since 1949, this weapon has managed to take part in all military conflicts on the globe, and in the near future it is unlikely that something can replace this weapon, since it is very much used in weapons that are in use in warehouses. innumerable. Officially, in more than 60 years of existence of weapons, more than 70 million units of various modifications were released, and this is only according to official data in the USSR, and after in Russia, how many Kalashnikov assault rifles “walk” around the world are unlikely to be able to tell, but this figure obviously will exceed many times the official one. Yes, and official data is also increasing, so quite recently a contract was signed with Venezuela for the supply of 100 thousands of AK103, and later it is planned to conclude an agreement for the supply of 920 thousands of automatic machines, that is, plus one million to the official statistics.

However, according to many, the Kalashnikov assault rifle is already at the end of its “life cycle”, since its design has been perfected and there will not be any serious breakthroughs in its improvement. In principle, it is difficult to disagree, indeed, the designers did everything to squeeze the most out of the weapon design, it remains only to make improvements sacrificing the reliability of the weapon, which naturally no one wants to do, because in this way the Kalashnikov assault rifle will turn into an ordinary sample, not much stand out from hundreds of others. On the other hand, it is difficult to believe that there is nowhere to move further in the development of AKs, especially since at the moment many interesting ideas have been accumulated, which are unlikely to affect the survivability and reliability of weapons, but at the same time will increase its effectiveness. For example, you can take the option with a two-mode shooting mode for different positions of the arrow without a cutoff, which German Alexandrovich Korobov proposed. The gunsmith suggested using a tempo in 500 rounds per minute for shooting from a flat prone position and a pace around 2000 thousand rounds per minute for shooting from uncomfortable positions. In practice, this increased the accuracy of fire one and a half to two times. Simplicity of implementation, a little more difficult to control weapons, but at the same time, a significant increase in accuracy of firing in short bursts. And if you add to this all the new ammunition caliber 6,5 or 6,8 millimeters, then it is possible to add another years 15-20 to the life of the AK. Another thing is that this will require very large investments, of which very little can be put in your pocket, because foreign weapons or non-domestic parts will be ordered.

However, no one will be able to challenge the fact that at the moment AK and any of its modifications is the best weapon for mass weapons even now without any changes to the design and additional priblud who want to fasten on the weapon in the near future. Of course, a lot of foreign models have now appeared that are not inferior in reliability to the Kalashnikov assault rifle, but all of them are either too expensive, or complex, or simply not "promoted" like our Russian AK. In general, the Kalashnikov machine gun is the number one machine gun in the world, if not by its characteristics, then by its prevalence and stories use in all military conflicts from the second half of the twentieth century.

2. Automatic rifle M16.

I think that no one will argue with the M16 weapon that also has a history with the second place in the rating, even if it is a little shorter than that of the Kalashnikov, but still quite long. Despite all the complaints about the not very high reliability of the first variants of the “black rifle”, this weapon was kept afloat and remains the main one for the US Army. In many ways, for this you need to say thanks to the designers, who managed to bring to mind not the best scheme for the operation of automation. And even though the latest versions of the M16 are still very far from the title of “the most reliable machine gun”, and this title is unlikely to ever belong to this weapon, the rifle shows reliable results for a strong four, in fact it’s not surprising. the second largest sample in its class. In total, more than 10 of millions of units of various modifications of the M16 for all the time have been produced and this is without taking into account various options from other manufacturers, in other words, the M16 is the second most popular rifle after the AK.

By the way, the M16 is also quite often copied as the Kalashnikov assault rifle, but only the majority of copies already have a slightly different type of automation, which increases the reliability of the weapon, so that these samples can be considered as relatives of the “black rifle” only conditionally. At the moment, М16 has completely captured two continents - North America and Australia, almost all the major countries of South America also use these weapons, but Eurasia and Africa are still holding on, preferring either domestic cheaper and more reliable AK, or using others without cheap weapon options. However, among these continents you can find countries in which М16 is well accustomed. Moreover, these countries with different levels of development from Zaire to Italy, where these weapons are in service with special forces. To understand the entire mass distribution of weapons it is enough to give a list of countries using it: USA, Australia, Argentina, Afghanistan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bahrain, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Great Britain, East Timor, Vietnam, Haiti, Ghana, Guatemala, Honduras, Grenada, Greece, Georgia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Zaire, Yemen, Israel, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Iraq, Iceland, Italy, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Qatar, Colombia, Costa Rica, Kuwait, Laos, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, Liwa n, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Malaysia, Maldives, Morocco, Mexico, Moldova, Nepal, Nigeria, Netherlands, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Norway, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Republic of Korea, El Salvador, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, Uruguay, Fiji, Philippines, France, Chile, Sri Lanka, Jamaica, Japan. Of course, in many of the above countries, the M16 is not the main weapon, many are used as a back-up in case of war, there are also many modifications and not the M16 specifically, but, nevertheless, this impressive list fully justifies the position of the weapon in the ranking. Especially since the M16 is a kind of “enemy” of AK, and the enemy must be respected and reckoned with, so despite all the cons of weapons that are getting smaller every year, the second place in my personal opinion legitimately belongs to the “black rifle”, although I am sure many here will argue with me, but if you find one more same mass model of the machine gun, then I will completely change my mind and replace the M16 with the weapon model you proposed.

3. Automatic rifles FN SCAR.

We walked through the oldies and long-livers, now we can take up new samples, and there are many of them and they are all interesting. If I gave AK and M16 the first two places of the rating for their history, as these are really the two most common and “long-playing” samples, then personally I found it difficult to choose who and where to distribute, since here they are already entering the arena relatively young models that are certainly interesting and unique in their own way, but each sample has its advantages and to determine what is more important and what is not very, very difficult. It is difficult, if only because in one particular situation plus a weapon does not play a decisive role, while in the other it becomes the main advantage of a weapon. So I don’t claim further objectivity, everything is distributed only at my discretion and is purely my weapon preferences. Well, it so happened that from the new designs I was most attracted to SCAR, and the reverse is also the 16 and 17, so this is not about the same weapon model.

Speaking honestly, when this weapon only appeared, I decided that here it is the “murderer” of the M16, even though the weapon was created under the order of the US Special Operations Forces Command. A sample seemed very promising to me, and on the assumption that the US Army was never deprived of funds and such a bold enough assumption was born. Weapons began to arrive in the army in the 2007 year, but already during this short service life it managed to establish itself as a reliable and effective means of exterminating enemy personnel in the most unfavorable operating conditions. The basis of this type of weapon was based on the principle of operation of automation with the removal of powder gases from the bore of the weapon with a short stroke of the piston. Barrel locking occurs when you turn the bolt on seven stops. But more about this weapon some other time. Outwardly, this image is a rather strange device, and the folding butttock of weapons that is considered to be the ugliest of all those offered during the existence of such a class of weapons as an automatic rifle looks especially strange. However, here it is necessary to ponder the question of whether beauty is necessary in weapons at all. It seems like the most important thing for a weapon is its reliability, accuracy, reliability and so on, but not beauty at all, especially for weapons intended for the army. By the way, the SCAR butt, although it looks strange, is quite comfortable, not perfect, but close to it. In particular, it lacks smooth adjustment in length instead of stepped. In terms of accuracy, this weapon surpasses the M16, both with a single fire and with an automatic one, but here the comparison can be made only if the barrels of the compared samples are the same length, and under the condition of the same cartridges.

Identical cartridges are marked with a separate item, since such a weapon as SCAR currently has two versions, under a standard NATO cartridge with a caliber 5,56, as well as with a cartridge 7,62х51, as well as a NATO standard. In addition, it is mentioned that the “heavy” version of the automatic rifle can be easily adapted to the Soviet-style 7,62x39 cartridges, while the weapons can be powered from AK and AKM stores. This was achieved due to the fact that the weapon fully meets the concept of "modular", so besides the fact that both the "light" and the "heavy" version of an automatic rifle can have different barrels along the length (three options each), the line between the X. 16 and X. 17 is very conditional and means only what ammunition feeds, even between these samples more than 70% of parts are identical. In general, if one chooses an ideal in such a parameter as “modularity” among automatic rifles / machine guns, then SCARs are out of competition, provided that the characteristics of the weapon are sufficiently high.

4. Automatic rifles NK 416 and NK 417.

These German automatic rifles are inherently the product of the M16 and G36 fusion. Having absorbed all the best from both models of weapons, they are easy to maintain, reliable in the most unfavorable operating conditions, and also possess fairly high performance. In terms of their ergonomics and the layout of the weapon control elements, the 416 NK and 417 NK weapons are completely similar to the M16, which makes them particularly suitable for use by those people who are used to the “black rifle”. Just like the SCARs, these rifles are made as modular as possible, as far as it was generally possible, taking into account the weapon design, so the repair of the 416 and NK 417 is usually a simple replacement of a separate module that has failed. The weapon is also equipped with trunks of different lengths, which makes it quite versatile. Four seats in the form of “Picatinny-type” slats allow you to install a wide variety of accessories on rifles, and in the case of the “heavy” version of a rifle chambered for 7,62x51 cartridges the bipods are installed on the lower bar. The butt of the weapon is made by analogy with the M4 butt, has 5 fixed positions to fit the anatomical features of the shooter, although a smooth adjustment would make the weapon more comfortable.

The basis for rifles NK 416 and Nk417 became the automation system with the removal of powder gases from the barrel with a short piston stroke. Despite the seemingly outward “leaky” German rifles are fairly resistant to dust and moisture. In other words, it is safe to speak about these weapons in the context of the well-known German quality, although it is possible to draw such conclusions so far, since the weapons have not yet shown themselves to be massively in combat. The main difference between the 416 model and the 417 is that the first rifle uses NATO standard 5,56 cartridges, while the 417 NC feeds on 7,62x51 cartridges. This makes the NN 417's weapon model more efficient, however, there are a few moments that immediately appear that reduce this effectiveness. First of all, it is the weight of the weapon, in the second - the recoil when shooting, well, and the third negative factor is the size of the weapon.

416 NK rifles and 417 NK rifles from detachable box magazines with a capacity of 30 cartridges for a small model and 10 or 20 cartridges for a larger sample feed on. The weapon is compatible with various models of grenade launchers, however, in the case of the 417 NC model, the bipods will have to be forgotten, and they are quite a necessary thing in this weapon, since the recoil when fired is really high, and in the case of firing in short bursts from a standing position, most shooters can only conduct a disturbing fire, although here, of course, it is a matter of habit, skills and weight of the shooter.

The 416 NK and 417 NK rifles are not widely used yet, although they appeared in the 2005 year, however, this is easily explained not by the fact that the weapon is bad or something else, but only due to the lack of funds for mass supplies to the army. Also, do not forget that at the moment the issue of replacing 5,56 ammunition with a more powerful cartridge with a large caliber, but not as powerful as 7,62х51, is quite acute. As I understand it, the manufacturer relied on those munitions that are already in service, not counting on the rapid spread of the new ammunition, but apparently forgot to take into account that if a new weapon will appear, it will be calculated only for new cartridges, except that in exceptional cases the rule will be violated. However, the new more powerful ammunition recently forgotten and not in a hurry with the same zeal as a couple of years ago to shout about them at every corner. Apparently, they are saving money for a complete rearmament, which, in principle, is not required, since at the moment a cartridge has been developed that is fully compatible with the old weapon chambered for 5,56 and requires only a barrel and bolt replacement, which can be done in NK 416, and in NC 417.

5. Barrett REC7 automatic rifle.

Despite the fact that many people treat this weapon with a rather large degree of skepticism, I think that it is worthy of taking a 4 place in the ranking of the best machines. The reasons for this are quite enough. Firstly, the weapon was made for a new, promising cartridge, which shows itself more efficiently compared to 5,56 cartridges, and secondly, these are Barrett products, which personally cause only positive emotions in me. However, the second point is precisely the reason why many people do not take this sample of weapons seriously. The fact is that the company Barrett made a name for itself in the production of sniper rifles, mostly large-caliber, and in the production of automatic machines is, to put it mildly, a novice. Indeed, this is the first machine that the company ventured to produce en masse, the reason is that before Barrett REC7 there were two more weapons that did not go into mass production. Thus, in the first version, the company showed “this is what we can”, in the second it brought the weapon to perfection, well, and the third, already taking into account the wishes of the servicemen after a short “run-in” in the army, has already appeared as a fully finished model. In my opinion, such an approach in the production of weapons is fully justified, and no one can blame Barrett REC7 for either low reliability or any other sins. In the case, if the company immediately gave to the broad masses their weapons in the first version, then it would be impossible to avoid talking about the fact that everyone should do their job, and if the company began to produce sniper rifles, then it is they who should be engaged in and not to go into other weapons niches. Yes, and subsequent versions of automatic rifles from the company Barrett, no matter how beautiful they were, would have been perceived clearly with an underestimate, if the company immediately started producing the first version of the weapon, however, this question is too complicated to talk about something with 100% a guarantee.

The basis of the automatic rifle Barrett REC7 was a new cartridge that was offered by Remington, the new ammunition with the metric designation 6,8x43 proved to be not only much more effective in comparison with 5,56, but also as close as possible to it in terms of its dimensions, which makes it possible to use it in the weapon, originally designed for cartridges under 5,56 after replacing the barrel and bolt. However, here the same problem may arise that arose with the appearance of cartridges for the .357SIG pistol, which, it seems, can be used in weapons chambered for .40S & W after replacing the barrel, but this significantly increases the wear of the weapon. In the case of the Barrett automatic rifle, the weapon was originally designed for a new ammunition, but at the same time it can be adapted for a standard NATO cartridge of 5,56 caliber, that is, in principle, there can be no problems when operating weapons with new ammunition. since it was designed for him. But if you look at all this taking into account the fact that 6,8x43 have not yet been adopted for service, then we can say that it is unlikely that this weapon will be adopted in the US Army under its "native" cartridge, although, of course, those who if they want this weapon, they will get it, after all, the US army, and not the countries in Central Africa.

The basis for the new Barrett REC7 automatic rifle, as it is not difficult to guess, was again the principle of operation of the automation with the removal of powder gases from the barrel of the weapon and with a short piston stroke. Despite this, many people call the Barrett REC7 a further development of the M16 rifle, but this, of course, is a delusion. Simply, the fact is that the weapon is made with the greatest possible compatibility with the M16, apparently, in view of the fact that it will someday be put into service, this makes the two rifles quite similar to each other in terms of individual elements, but if you take the picture in In general, these are two different samples, even when compared by the appearance of the weapon. In general, for the new ammunition, high quality and the correct approach to the production of weapons, the automatic rifle Barrett REC7 deserves to take the honorable fifth place in the ranking.

6. Automatic rifle NK G36.

In 1995, the NX G36 automatic rifle begins to enroll en masse in the German army, and later it conquers Spain, at the same time being supplied to a number of other countries, including the United States. To be honest, I even wanted to push the novelties of the arms market and put NK G36 in third place in the rating, but I still hope for the promise of a new weapon, well, probably, it’s not just doing it and producing, apparently counting on higher characteristics Compared with previous models, although, of course, not always the new means the best. But, despite the fact that a new weapon is being produced, G36 NC does not plan to give up its positions so far.
This weapon, though not at all old, has already proven itself in many military conflicts, although its presence there was not as extensive as other models. It uses the NATO standard 5,56 cartridges, while it has quite a lot of different options for picking, which suggests that this automatic rifle is multitasking. In general, we will not pull causal places for the cat, these weapons are worthy of their place in the rating and hardly anyone will argue with that.

7. Steyr AUG automatic rifle.

This weapon takes its place in the rating not because it turned out to be better than some samples or worse, but because, in my opinion, it is one of the most successful variants of automatic rifles in the bullpup layout, and simply does not allow such a weapon to bypass conscience. By the way, if the positions were 10, then Steyr AUG and then it would be in last place, as I repeat, there are better options for weapons, but in the classic layout. Of course, here it can be argued that the domestic A-91M, with the same layout, is devoid of many of the drawbacks that are inherent in weapons with such an arrangement of basic elements. But do not forget about the fairly wide distribution of these weapons, their various options, even to the point that the Australian "promising" rifle complex was made on the basis of these weapons. In general, the 7 place behind the Steyr AUG automatic rifle and I think that many would agree that the place occupied by this weapon belongs to the right for at least the same layout, at which it received the most widespread.

In conclusion, I would like to say that this rating is purely my personal opinion, it does not claim to be the only correct one. In addition, the irregularity in the selection of criteria for evaluating weapons also does not allow to fully display the full picture, therefore if the main parameter is to choose the spread of weapons throughout the world, the result will be one, and if we take the effectiveness of the weapon as a basis for another, reliability is the third and so on. But I hope that my rating turned out to be more objective than the rating of the Discovery channel.
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  1. +23
    11 October 2012 08: 47
    Kalash is forever. even when blasters are invented, the AK-47 will always be the world's number 1 weapon
    1. snek
      +6
      11 October 2012 13: 17
      Yes, how many quiet American science fiction films I saw where the year 25XX came, mutants or cyborgs rule the earth, and resistance with Kalash runs around.
      In fact, of course, everything needs to be modernized and the latest Kalash are very different from those that were adopted in the second half of the 40s.
      1. +1
        11 October 2012 19: 48
        You can modify cartridges and materials, for example: replace steel with a nanocomposite, which is lighter and stronger than steel and does not melt.
    2. +1
      12 October 2012 09: 52
      Yes, whatever one may say, but our "Kalash" horseradish will surpass! They trust him with life - and he WORKS. In any conditions.
      God bless Michal Timofeyevich and others like him!
    3. Axel
      -2
      1 December 2012 13: 11
      AK is the most massive assault rifle in the world, just because the communists distributed it all over the world for free "friendly help" Who bought it? nobody.
      In October 1946, Hugo Schmeisser was forcibly (like all German specialists in all areas of military equipment without exception finding themselves in the territory controlled by the USSR), as a specialist in small arms, he was taken to the Urals for several years. This order also applied to all other well-known weapon designers from the city of Suhl. They were allowed to take families with them. German specialists arrived on October 24, 1946 on a special train to Izhevsk to work at the design bureau of the Izhevsk Izhmash plant.
      In addition to Schmeisser, the creator of the StG44 assault rifle, such talented German gunsmiths as Branitzke, Schink, Werner Gruner were brought to Izhevsk.
      AK was a good weapon for its time, but 30 years ago it was irretrievably outdated, like when StG44
      1. 0
        1 August 2021 20: 58
        Learn history, you fool. Schmeisser at Izhmash was not even close to being allowed to develop weapons, like other "talented German gunsmiths", moreover, a prototype was made in Kovrov, the first batch at Izhevsk MOTOZAVOD, and only then the debugged serial production was transferred to Izhmash.
  2. Kazak_30
    +2
    11 October 2012 09: 10
    Hmm .... I recently watched Discovery and was surprised when AK took the first place in the ranking of assault rifles!
    But in fact, it’s sad that after 65 years we didn’t invent anything that could replace AK (I’m not saying that it is bad) but we could if it weren’t for the ignoramuses in the government!
    1. +5
      11 October 2012 09: 34
      They invented, and believe me, they invented a lot, but these ideas come into service either in limited quantities or not at all in view of the need to adapt production and there is not even the point that they save, there is simply no money for it. Rather there, but not there sad
      1. +1
        11 October 2012 19: 50
        It’s not only the production that matters, the whole Army is tied to the AK: mount pouches on equipment, a training system, training aids, body kit, cartridges, tactics, etc.
  3. itr
    +2
    11 October 2012 09: 25
    Kalash is forever. Stupid!
    The three-ruler was also a hundred years old but alas
    1. +2
      11 October 2012 19: 53
      Reason stubbornly seeking, will always find a new star in the sky.
      1. Osoka
        +1
        11 October 2012 23: 48
        O! I agree with this one hundred!
  4. Maple
    +1
    11 October 2012 09: 29
    And why is there no British L85A1 rifle in the ranking? or is she not worth discussing?
    1. +5
      11 October 2012 09: 32
      Just A1 is unworthy, but A2 could well take one of the places in the ranking in which there are more places, somewhere from 30 to 50 smile
      1. +4
        11 October 2012 19: 55
        Reliable, but wears out quickly;
        Accurate, but only on the first shot;
        Heavy (almost 5 kg!).
        Well, her in the bath, such a joy!
    2. Osoka
      +1
      11 October 2012 23: 44
      Because it's not really a "British" rifle. She has a very difficult fate. In short, not for rating.
      1. 0
        13 October 2012 10: 57
        ABOUT! let's lay out what's wrong! interesting after all!
  5. +10
    11 October 2012 10: 20
    As M. Kalashnikov said: "It is much more difficult to make something simple than a complex one."
    AK is the crown of simplicity, reliability and efficiency of small arms.
  6. Vital 33
    +7
    11 October 2012 11: 11
    I would add here FN FAL, also a legendary device, ahead of (in my opinion) both AK and M-16 in their time. The favorite weapon of "white mercenaries" is the pros who have overthrown more than one government in the world. Called the "dog of war", and has been in many armies in service ...
    1. black_eagle
      +3
      11 October 2012 12: 26
      Yes, and the G3 is somehow not enough, it’s also a stage rifle, a lot of things were built on its basis, the French FAMAS always somehow get around, although there is also something to see
      1. +2
        11 October 2012 12: 32
        It was necessary to do the TOP-20 laughing
        1. Kibb
          +1
          11 October 2012 21: 18
          Quote: scrabler
          It was necessary to do the TOP-20

          Cyril, no, don’t, enough tanks. From what I have today I would put G36 at the top. Kalash, of course, it’s time to seriously upgrade it, but I never understood the negative weariness to it — an excellent assault rifle with an accuracy of 250-300 I have no claim, I think the same for many. Specialists, of course, will have questions for AK ... But there were no special claims to M4 in terms of reliability - an excellent rifle
          And so far, not a single rifle has managed to arrange everyone ... AK as AK, I don't know Tavor ... AUG is interesting for its concept of versatility (most likely it was the closest thing to "suit everyone" but expensive, and in terms of the variety of cartridges "type AP15 "wins.
  7. +3
    11 October 2012 13: 14
    An excellent rating, only instead of AUG, I would rather put an Israeli Tavor, but oh well, the main thing is the most successful developments in the rating.
  8. Axel
    +3
    11 October 2012 13: 17
    TAR-21 Where?
    1. black_eagle
      0
      11 October 2012 16: 15
      In my opinion, the TAR-21 is still not a combined-arms assault rifle, it's a more narrowly targeted rifle, not even for the army, but more for the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      1. 0
        11 October 2012 19: 45
        Israeli TAVOR?
        Although it is also worthy of respect to establish a licensed production of such a rifle, India still has not been able to launch the production of the Mango projectile.
      2. +4
        11 October 2012 22: 34
        Why? It’s quite a combined arms weapon.
        1. 0
          13 October 2012 10: 59
          And the Jews are not fools, it is not for nothing that they are arming themselves with them.
  9. +6
    11 October 2012 13: 43
    I liked the quote from bashorg:
    While in America the M16 is just an automatic rifle, in Russia it is generally a bolt.

    I would still expect to see in the ranking, the good old FN FAL.
  10. +9
    11 October 2012 14: 26
    all these ratings are subjective and will not please everyone) so make your own ratings in your head and be happy))))
  11. +12
    11 October 2012 17: 40
    there can be no conversation just like that
    1. 0
      12 October 2012 06: 17
      Panama .... Associations- SAVO, TurkVo, DRA. He himself served in the Far East, and a lot of my classmates threw fate into these hot lands. Good photo...
  12. +3
    11 October 2012 18: 18
    Or like this.
    1. -6
      11 October 2012 21: 27
      By the way, yes, the AN-94 is also not mentioned in the ranking. Each will have its own subjective rating, but I would put it like this:
      1.G-36
      2.M4, HK-416/417
      3. VSK-4, Vintorez, Shaft, etc.
      4. FN FAL
      5. SCAR, TAVOR
      6.FN-F2000
      7.M-16
      It is based not on the convenience of long-term carrying and the ability to assemble by any Arab peasant, but on ultra-high accuracy, reliability, quality in general, again, the convenience of carrying (only not long-term =))), a wide range of firing, the ability to kill the enemy, regardless of the level of protection before he even takes aim. Where is the Kalash? There he is -
      ...eighteen. AK-18
      19. AN-94
      20. AK-74, AKM
      1. +3
        11 October 2012 22: 35
        And these highly specialized ones ended up in third place?
        3. VSK-4, Vintorez, Shaft, etc.
        1. 0
          11 October 2012 23: 13
          So it’s not by mass, but by the personal qualities of weapons fellow By the way, they are widely used in the CIS, it has remained full not only in Russia, but also in Ukraine and Georgia since the Soviet era, despite the fact that they are produced, modernized in Russia after the collapse, and the screw cutter is even exported
          1. +1
            12 October 2012 20: 25
            It is fundamentally wrong to mix everything together, although I have repeatedly come across offers from "specialists" to arm all AS Val. There would be the most maddening army, which the enemy would mow at distances over 300-400 meters. After all, special weapons cannot be interfered with with everything else. Most quickly for this cons and instructed.
            1. 0
              12 October 2012 22: 06
              one weapon at all - this is nonsense of course. But pay attention - the niche of high-quality high-precision weapons in Russia is empty, there are Baryshev’s developments that could fill this niche, but we have a head for everything. The special weapons of Russia are not for special battles, they are for conventional battles, which are usually conducted at a distance of about 200 m, and they have been used in almost all hot spots in the CIS (if not all). It fills this niche at least partially. For long distances, we have SVD, RPK, there are prospects for developing a long-range special cartridge, though this is another story. We must look ahead, and not recall the glorious 70s, when the confrontation between NATO rifles and Kalash did not yet look like this:
              1. 0
                12 October 2012 23: 00
                ZY: ok, the range of firing at a special weapon is not as large as that of NATO rifles, but it can equally well be used when shooting in small rooms, and when removing a sniper from the roof of a Soviet high-rise, so it fits the definition, albeit not completely
      2. -1
        12 October 2012 17: 52
        again for the Orthodox Kalash minusanuli laughing honestly, as long as all ratings are only like this:
        Russia:
        "1. Kalashnikov assault rifles.
        Ancient as a world, used since the days of Dr. Egypt, and no one counts them anymore. And they will be used for many thousands more years. The design is so simple, and they themselves are so cheap that any illiterate dekhanin can make them manually. At the same time, they can be forgotten in the garage for 30-50 years, and when you get it, they will work like new without any care! good Of course, they can kill someone only at a distance of 1-5 m, but this small minus will not outweigh all the above advantages!

        2. Automatic rifle M16.
        A more convenient high-tech product, but also more complex, and not everyone can make it. Although in a campaign it is better than the first, and in terms of mass almost inferior, but the first is much, much cheaper and more reliable. And easier, most importantly.

        3. Automatic rifles FN SCAR.
        Of course, they significantly surpass the M-16 and AK in all respects, but I will shove them into third place, because they are not used so widely.

        4. Automatic rifles NK 416 and NK 417.
        They are in no way inferior to the G-36 and M-4, and the M-16 was not even lying nearby, but somehow they were not visible anywhere, so it was 4th.

        5. Barrett REC7, 6. Automatic rifle NK G36, 7. Automatic rifle Steyr AUG.
        This weapon takes its place in the ranking, not because it is worse than the first, but simply because I hardly know them. "
        1. 0
          12 October 2012 18: 07
          U.S.:
          "1st place - Paddle of rock and roll. AK-47 automatic assault rifle
          A great thing is to beat captured Arabs, but when it breaks, you can take a new one from the same captured Arabs. This weapon is full nakhalyavkah! good

          2nd place - Black Shovel.
          M16 automatic assault rifle
          The "Black Shovel" is the nickname given to the M16 by American soldiers in Vietnam, but despite the stylish appearance, there were a lot of problems with the new weapon. The mechanism of the machine could not stand the ingress of dirt and sand. For some reason, the Germans were able to easily replace the mechanism with a more reliable one, having made the NK 416 and NK 417, well, our hands somehow did not reach us.

          3 place - In the service of the Empire
          Lee-Enfield SMLE Sliding Rifle
          Yes, we know, since 1907, our British brothers could not invent a single normal rifle, but we need to please them with something

          4 place - Weapons of the victors in the Second World War
          Semi-automatic rifle M1 "Garand"
          Then we suddenly remembered that America was the most 3,14dated and won everywhere

          5 Place - The Right Hand of the Free World
          Automatic rifle FN FAL
          The FN FAL assault rifle has become a symbol of the struggle of Western civilization for the ideals of freedom and democracy. The FN FAL was the main small arms of the Israel Defense Forces during the Six Day War, was used in the jungle of Vietnam by units of the Canadian and Australian armies, where it proved to be better than the American M16. Why, then, M16 in 2nd place, and she in 5th? Umm ... Yes, because we are sweating and lowering everything European! am

          6 seat - Hitler's favorite rifle
          Mauser K98k Sliding Rifle
          Although this rifle appeared in 1898 and has nothing to do with Hitler, we love to recall Hitler, both to the place and not to the place, in order to say once again: "Hitler, with his stupid orders, caused Germany more harm than good." And it is quite similar to our potreotic pieces of wood ^ ____ ^
          1. 0
            12 October 2012 18: 22
            7th place - Back to front. Steyr AUG automatic rifle
            Despite its outstanding technical characteristics and excellent Austrian quality, the Steyr is not widely used in the world - in addition to the Austrian army, it is produced under license in Australia, used in some Arab countries and in the US Coast Guard. The unusual appearance of the machine scared off most potential customers. And you do not take it. Throw kaku. This is European bullshit, take only American.

            8 Place - American Long-Liver
            Springfield M1903 bolt-action rifle.
            AND? What? 1903 and no one remembers her? But we are sweating !!! wassat

            9 location - First assault rifle
            Sturmgewehr 44 automatic assault rifle
            Haha, they lowered yet another brilliant European cannon in front of their Anglo-American pieces of wood. Discovery drives! fellow And in passing, we will push another crazy gag about Hitler, how could it be without this

            10 place - Rifle, beating outright.
            Automatic rifle M14
            It was so impossible to get anywhere from her that even all our YU ES HEY potreotism did not save her from the 10th place. But the goal has been achieved - we have erased all the best Russian and European rifles, and even the legendary G-3 / G-36, they are not worthy of a mention in our rating !! For purchase of AK-47 and M16, please call the following phones: ... "
        2. 0
          12 October 2012 20: 31
          It is incredibly pleased that you took my rating as an example for all domestic ratings. Unfortunately, our opinions, apparently, did not coincide, but I have repeatedly mentioned in the article that everything written there is purely my personal opinion and does not pretend to be the only true one. So now the question is, why did you decide to play a psychic and give an example of reasoning when making a rating? By the way, the psychic of you is not the best.
          1. +1
            12 October 2012 22: 21
            honestly, your rating is better than any official western that I read, and even this can be seen in a brief parody, it is more objective and thorough, and American ones are too naive and blind against domestic ones, they always forget to mention the best examples, we have such antipathy to Europe It never happened. But I would like to see weapons in the first places, albeit with less history and popular love, but with greater efficiency request
            ZY: yes, I'm not a psychic
            1. +1
              12 October 2012 23: 38
              If we take in terms of efficiency, then first of all we need to push off from the ammunition, then the first three places will separate SCAR 17, NK 417 and Barrett from those presented above. In general, in my opinion, the compilation of ratings is not the most rewarding thing, since the parameters of the weapon are different and that in one situation is good, in the other it can be bad. If you already do it objectively, then select the parameters in separate columns and put estimates from 1 to 100, but for this you need to have all the samples at hand, and this, unfortunately, is impossible (((
              1. 0
                13 October 2012 11: 28
                yes, that’s the whole problem - it’s impossible to determine which weapon is better based only on its parameters, this can only be determined in a real battle or at least in a realistic battle simulator. Nevertheless, the parameters are the most important for the weapon, and in fact the error in the assessment can only come from the wrong priorities. Respect to you for maximum rating objectivity
  13. +7
    11 October 2012 19: 42
    I wonder why there is no decent decent machine: the Swiss SIG550.

    Reliable as AK;
    Accurate as SVD;
    Beautiful as a statue of Venus de Milo;
    And ergonomic as ergonomics itself.
    Like it or not, but in Switzerland there is something to protect and there is something.
    1. +1
      11 October 2012 20: 01
      Here you would not believe, I wanted instead of Shtaer Sig 550, but still I wanted to mark the bullpup in the rating smile
    2. Kir
      0
      11 October 2012 21: 29
      Interestingly, and the cost is like their watch?
      And as far as Venus is milosas with regards, the author says he preferred more boys to girls than that, then they would have compared them with sculpted sculptures from Fryna. Yes, and the gunsmith rather has Germanic roots.
    3. 0
      11 October 2012 21: 49
      cth; fyn Today, 19: 42
      I wonder why there is no decent decent machine: the Swiss SIG550.
      He should share one place with the G-36 (i.e., the first by IMHO =)), but only with the Picatinny rail - the absence of a normal sight reduces all pluses to zero.
      Exact as SVD - that's for sure, the owner of the G-36, SIG-550, FN FAL, FN F2000, M4, etc. our division into Kalash-SVD is probably ridiculous, when he can use one assault rifle for these supposedly different distances, with one set of cartridges, simply by changing the firing mode - auto / 3
      1. 0
        13 October 2012 11: 05
        About the bar, complete nonsense, normal optics is not a bar, but still the optics themselves, which can be attached to a dovetail and to Bloomberg snot (about a snot - a joke).
        I’ll say this about the price: a normal, high-quality thing made with the Soul can cost such money. And yes, her price is 3-4 for Kalash, but she serves as 4-5 Kalash.
        1. 0
          15 October 2012 11: 33
          Indeed, when one's own life is at stake, saving is pointless. One way or another, export versions of the SIG-550 are now available only with trims, before that all options that left Switzerland were completely without optics.
          ZY: The swallow tail is now put only on pistols because of the short base, well, the former countries of the social bloc are using, but not Switzerland
  14. Osoka
    +1
    11 October 2012 23: 21
    The author of the article forgot the Czech Vz.58, time-tested and fought. It seems, however, that it looks like Kalashnikov, but the mechanism is different. The Czech army now, though it has begun to change it to the new CZ 805 BREN, which can be used with both 7,62x39 and 5,56x45 mm NATO, transforms quickly and in the field, depending on where and how the operation is carried out.
    1. +1
      11 October 2012 23: 40
      Then the Czech LCZ B10 / 20 (AB / AVB-7,62) should be remembered:
  15. +5
    12 October 2012 05: 14
    Good article .. Literate and author's style is good. In principle, I agree. These are the brightest representatives in this class. I would probably stick SIG 550, but a matter of taste. I bought it a year ago in a civilian semi-automatic version. Its minus ... DEAR DOG ... kapets as expensive 4.200. Shot about 2000 rounds. Not a single misfire or delay. Convenient of course, paired with the assault ACOG works amazingly. Sorry got carried away. But for me personally, in the battle of course AKMS 74, without any stray. AK steers everywhere ... first place rightfully.
  16. 0
    12 October 2012 12: 12
    Hurray Kalash !!!
  17. Uranium_bullet
    +2
    12 October 2012 15: 39
    Kalashnikov assault rifle - reliable and inevitable, like death and taxes.
  18. +2
    12 October 2012 16: 58
    I agree, SIG undeservedly ignored.
  19. +1
    12 October 2012 19: 31
    Why didn't the author include FN FAL in the review?
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    0
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  21. 0
    12 October 2012 20: 57
    2000 thousand rounds per minute? cool of course.
    but most likely.
    1. +1
      12 October 2012 23: 32
      Just not ochepyatka laughing Indeed, such a rate of fire was offered by Korobov as the best for shooting from uncomfortable positions. Implemented in TKB-072, in TKB-0111 reduced the minute to 1700 shots, here is a small overview of what German Alexandrovich did from automatic machines http://topwar.ru/18770-avtomaty-germana-aleksandrovicha-korobova.html
      1. 0
        13 October 2012 00: 17
        Yes 2000 thousand is two million. per minute. I estimate the size of the horn and the parameters of the cooling Pribluda. wassat
        thanks for the reference!
        1. 0
          15 October 2012 11: 54
          For a long time there are machines with a rate of 2000v / min, the whole trick is that such a rate of fire is suitable for a regime with a cut-off of 2-3 rounds - and no cooling pribluda is needed. Better estimate accuracy for such a mode. And yes, the hardest thing is to lower the rate of fire, not increase
          1. +1
            22 October 2012 23: 56
            This mode is designed for fixed shots (three bullets in turn) ... that is, the first current flies out of the barrel, the second in the barrel, wiping only starts, when it hits the target, a quality stuffing is obtained.
            1. 0
              23 October 2012 16: 37
              yes, even if you miss the head, but fall into the arm or leg, it will tear them for sure. In AK hundredth series, this mode is finally thought to implement
        2. 0
          5 December 2012 17: 31
          Understood) it is true that the story came out)))
  22. schapchits
    -1
    12 October 2012 21: 20
    Production of the AK-74 was not stopped due to the fact that it is out of date. It just became too many of them and they began to fall into the wrong hands.
    1. +1
      13 October 2012 11: 21
      There are few of them only 7 million pieces, in case of war it will turn out like under Stalingrad: It seems that there were rifles, and there were a lot of them, but it was enough only for every third. Moreover, according to the most pessimistic estimates (Levada Center), we will be able to put up an army of 30 million people. all the more so when evacuating people from several regions in one region, and only those who are assigned to the local military registration and enlistment office will accumulate weapons. so think, guess, but in my opinion it turns out that it is necessary to create a triple reserve in each region.
  23. lorvig
    +1
    13 October 2012 04: 46
    Gentlemen! This is a rating of historical mass weapons associated with cheapness and other economic factors. But if you really fight and special in DRO, you want the superiority of weapons in special missions, like all Spaznaz soldiers, you choose the HK G11. This is a revolutionary machine gun and should deserve to take 1st place in terms of quality, design, and characteristics. There are no analogues. Not widely used, thanks to the United States. But all of the listed machines in the ranking are UTTER DAY. They all work on two schemes. When the commandos meet (the elite is better than everyone else), then we are talking about the merits of weapons as such, not taking into account the economic factor. So, if we were hit from Famaz, then this is the legion, the tactics are known and the actions are the same, Barrett is the cats, the animals were trained in water tricks, and they were thrown at the ground, if they hit from a shaky ... it's clear who you are dealing with and what they are capable of, and when they get the answer from G11 (which you bought for YOURS) in return, they don’t understand what they are being watered from and who is against them. And in these junctions where mercenaries converge with army pros (limited by budget ) see whose duder is cooler (training and physical abilities are about the same). So this ... rating from the point of view of the armed worker-peasant. From the point of view of professional intelligence-sabotage operations, 1st place is HK G11.2 -SIG, 3 -Staya.4- AK. (you won’t get rid of a cancerous tumor).
    1. +1
      13 October 2012 11: 23
      He was abandoned and not completed and he has many "childhood illnesses". so it's not an automaton, but a concept.
  24. -1
    13 October 2012 11: 26
    In general, the most honest rating will be according to the number of samples sold.
  25. Lucky
    -1
    14 October 2012 19: 06
    The most honest rating will be in the number of countries that have adopted weapons and the number of copies. This will be evidence of the superiority of Russian weapons.
  26. artem9570
    +1
    20 October 2012 22: 22
    SiG 550,552 where? what about the TAR-21? what about the G3? and in general I would not put SCAR in third place. her balancing is bad. the forend and the barrel part (I will call it the front end) is heavier than the "back" (ie the butt, etc.), especially in SCAR-H

    I think we need to take the old AKM and AK-74 (as more reliable than modern ones) to put on them new stocks (more convenient) to change the forend by adding Picatinny straps and in the same way change the receiver cover. And all the sweetie will be automatic.
  27. +1
    23 October 2012 00: 02
    NK G36 ..... I’d raise it higher ... but M-16, with all due respect ... I didn’t put it in second place ... because Kalash is so reliable and capricious Amer, and there’s better than the M-16.
  28. 0
    16 January 2013 20: 11
    http://topwar.ru/1970-specnaz-morskoj-pexoty-ssha.html#comment-id-836385
    read the last koment truth there is only a sample.
  29. Jack7691
    -1
    12 September 2013 15: 12
    The author is just a balabol
  30. 0
    10 February 2019 23: 32
    Here is also not a bad deception as for me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLIs_OI4pNk&t=177s