Achievements and prospects: Chinese fighters of the 5th generation

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Parade formation of J-20 fighters. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

China is striving to build a modern and highly efficient air force, for which a number of promising projects are being implemented. So, a few years ago, the first 5th generation fighter of its own Chinese design entered service with the PLA Air Force. The development of this direction does not stop, and new remarkable results are expected in the near future.

First success


According to known data, China began work on the 5th generation of fighters in the late nineties. Several years were spent on theoretical research and the first experiments. In the middle of the next decade, the development of a full-fledged project began. She was assigned to the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG). The future aircraft received the index J-20.



The first flight of the prototype J-20 took place in January 2011. Thanks to him, China became the third country in the world to build and fly a new generation fighter. The next few years were spent on testing and other activities, as well as on the preparation of future mass production. According to various sources, at this stage, the fighter has undergone a lot of different changes. Various elements of on-board equipment were introduced and tested, engines were changed, etc.

In 2016, mass production was launched; in the future, its pace gradually increased. At the end of the year, the first production vehicles were transferred to the training unit of the air force. In March 2017, the new J-20 was officially adopted by the PLA Air Force. A year later, a full-fledged deployment of new equipment in combat units began.


J-20 with open weapons bay. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

According to known data, to date, CAIG has built about 50-70 J-20 aircraft. Production continues and new aircraft are regularly delivered to the units. Now they serve in the eastern strategic direction and cover the coast of the country, and also solve problems over the sea. Repeatedly there were reports of flights to escort aircraft of third countries.

In addition to new military capabilities, the J-20 fighter has given China something to be proud of. First of all, he showed the ability of Chinese industry to create aviation latest generation technology. In addition, China has become the third country to have its own 5th generation fighter. At the same time, with the adoption of the Air Force, the PLA lagged behind the United States, but was ahead of Russia by several years.

Empowerment


According to known data, CAIG continues to develop its J-20 project. In the past, foreign sources mentioned work on replacing avionics and installing new engines. Probably, some of these works are related to getting rid of "childhood diseases", but a full-fledged upgrade of the aircraft is also possible, aimed at improving its performance and potential.

In addition, a full-fledged new modification is being developed. In the late 20s, CAIG created a two-seat version of the J-20. The prototype aircraft, now known as the J-2022B, was built and entered testing last fall. In October, he was first noticed at the airport, and in November, the first flight took place. In February XNUMX, the second prototype joined the flight tests.


The first known flight of an experienced J-20B, November 2021. Photo Telegram / ChDambiev

Double J-20B can be a combat training modification of the original fighter. However, there are also bolder assessments. It is possible that this aircraft has a more advanced and developed avionics and has special operational and combat capabilities. He will be able to collect and process information more efficiently, as well as coordinate the actions of other combat units - aircraft and UAVs. In fact, we can talk about an air command post of a tactical level.

How long the tests of the two existing J-20Bs will continue is unknown. Using a ready-made platform provides well-known advantages and allows you to speed up work. At the same time, the new fighter may have more sophisticated equipment that will make future events more difficult.

Like the base J-20, the updated aircraft has also become a reason for pride. The new J-20B became the world's first 5th generation fighter with a two-seat cockpit and so far remains the only one of its kind. Whether other countries will develop such a technique is unknown.

Uncertain Future


In 2010-11 there were first reports of the development of another Chinese next-generation fighter. Later, materials on the new project were shown at exhibitions. It became known that the project is being created by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) and has the working designation FC-31 or J-31.


Experienced FC-31 at one of the exhibitions. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

By the fall of 2012, SAC had built the first prototype aircraft, and the first flight took place at the end of October. In the future, the car was repeatedly seen in the air, which indicated a voluminous test program. Flights were carried out in different modes, the use of equipment and weapons was practiced. However, several years of work did not give a real result. For some reason, the FC-31 project never progressed beyond testing.

Despite this, FC-31 helped the Chinese industry to evaluate the new model of technology and test various solutions for this project. In addition, thanks to him, China became the second country in the world to develop and fly two 5th generation fighters. Of course, if it matters when refusing mass production and operation.

However, the project has already been developed. In 2020, it became known about the development of a deck modification of the FC-31, which received the designation J-35. About a year ago, a prototype or prototype of such a machine was seen at one of the experimental sites of the PLA Navy, and flight tests began in the fall. The first known flight of the J-35 from a land airfield took place in late October.

Apparently, it will take several years to conduct full-fledged tests of the J-35. First, the aircraft must show all its capabilities at a land airfield, and then checks will begin on one of the existing aircraft carriers. In the absence of serious difficulties, the new fighter will be able to enter service with the Navy no earlier than the middle of the decade. First, it will complement the existing aircraft of the previous generation J-15, and then replace them.


Land full-size model of an aircraft carrier with carrier-based aircraft. On the left, with the tail towards the camera, a layout or prototype of the J-35. Photo Twitter.com/RupprechtDeino

Currently included in fleet The PLA has two aircraft carriers. The third was recently launched, and the fourth is planned to be laid down in the foreseeable future. According to various estimates, the J-35 fighter will be based on the ships of the latest projects, and the first of them will be the Fujian, which is now being completed. This aircraft carrier has a flat flight deck and three launch positions with electromagnetic catapults, which allows it to launch different types of aircraft.

The J-35 project is of great importance not only for the construction of the fleet. There are also issues of prestige. If this project is successful, China will become the second country in the world to create its own 5th generation carrier-based fighter - and again close the gap with the United States.

In the process of development


The Chinese aviation industry has been dealing with the topic of 5th generation fighters for about 22-25 years. During this time, several organizations have developed a number of promising projects. At the moment, it is known about the existence of two basic aircraft and several of their modifications and variants. In general, this demonstrates the potential of Chinese industry, and also contributes to the strengthening of airspace defense.

However, so far there has been only limited success. Of the several developed aircraft, only one, the J-20, has reached serial production and operation in the Air Force at the moment. Serial production of such equipment began 5-6 years ago, and to date no more than 60-70 vehicles have been built. Accordingly, the troops receive no more than 8-10 aircraft annually. This can be interpreted as evidence of the complexity and high cost of production, although China is coping with it.


The first flight of the carrier-based J-35. Photo Twitter.com/TheBaseLeg

Over the next few years, we can expect the appearance of new 5th generation fighters in the troops. First of all, the two-seater "land" J-20B should go into the series. Such machines will be able to supplement and strengthen the existing group of aircraft. After 2025-26 deck-based J-35s should also appear. The first aircraft of this type may enter service almost simultaneously with the new aircraft carrier Fujian.

It is possible that the Chinese aviation industry, with the necessary secrecy, is already developing new projects for 5th generation fighters. In addition, the foundations for the next generation of aviation technology must be created. However, until a certain time, these projects will remain secret, and information about them will appear only in the future.

However, aircraft manufacturers from China have enough work even without a promising 6th generation. In the near future, they will have to complete current projects and launch the next stages of the rearmament of the Air Force and Navy. This will again contribute to the strengthening of the defense, as well as give new reasons for pride.
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  1. KCA
    +12
    26 June 2022 04: 55
    What fellows, having no engines, created already the fifth generation fighters, miracles
    1. +5
      26 June 2022 05: 05
      According to known data, to date, CAIG has built about 50-70 J-20 aircraft. Production continues and new aircraft are regularly delivered to the units.

      and all without engines? do you believe in what you write?
      1. KCA
        +9
        26 June 2022 05: 17
        Well, as it were, with engines, only they are called AL-41F or AL-31F, and the Chinese ones, for some reason, do not fit
        1. 0
          26 June 2022 07: 01
          Nothing, according to secret agent Lucas J., in the future, China will have Thai fighter. With a fundamentally new type of engine, and laser weapons. Several prototypes can be seen in the documentary The Empire Strikes Back. wassat
          1. 0
            27 June 2022 22: 35
            Who has not been to China has not seen "beauty" ...
        2. +4
          26 June 2022 16: 05
          It's like the Korean War. The West was sure that the USSR did not have a normal fighter. And when, in fact, they met with the MiG15 ... they quickly changed their minds. Here the question is in the characteristics ... thrust-consumption-resource .... weight.
        3. 0
          28 June 2022 21: 15
          Our engines from the 60s
        4. -1
          April 2 2023 12: 21
          Your information is about 10 years old. Rasseyansky AL-31F \ 41F have not been used in J-10C and J-20 for a long time.
      2. +3
        26 June 2022 06: 34
        Quote: Aerodrome
        and all without engines? do you believe in what you write?

        It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of assignment. feel
        In addition to new military capabilities, the J-20 fighter gave China cause for pride. Like the base J-20, the updated aircraft also became cause for pride.
        fool
        1. +3
          26 June 2022 07: 42
          About pride..
          Level of development of productive forces and production relations.
          China and the CCP are leading their people from subsistence farming to the industrial age and urban civilization. To catch up with the golden billion is a feat. Compare with 1492 conditional Columbus, the beginning of the colonization of the world and China, since 1911, a departure from the state of the colony
    2. +3
      26 June 2022 06: 32
      Quote: KCA
      What fellows, having no engines, created already the fifth generation fighters, miracles
      Sometimes ...
      China has become the third country to have its own 5th generation fighter. At the same time, with the adoption of the Air Force, the PLA lagged behind the United States, but was ahead of Russia by several years.
      belay The creation of a 5th generation fighter, an event, let's say, took place in the Russian Federation, the USA and China, but then there are specific dates and it is clear how many years who lagged behind whom.
      In addition to new military capabilities, the J-20 fighter has given China something to be proud of.
      It's hard to argue here. Finding a reason for pride among the Chinese is even better than the amers. request
    3. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 14
      In theory, it is not serious for such a serious power. Well, not much...
  2. +5
    26 June 2022 04: 58
    In terms of electronics, there are no questions for the glider, but what kind of engine is this, after all, the basis of the generation indicator?
    1. -2
      26 June 2022 06: 27
      The basis of indicators is not the engine.
      The basis of the indicators is a set of options and advantages over the previous generation fighters.

      And at the moment, only the Su-57 corresponds to this, even the F-35 and 22 are more likely to belong to the 4+ generation than to the 5th.
      1. +7
        26 June 2022 06: 51
        Quote from blade3
        The basis of indicators is not the engine.
        Metrics basis - set of options and advantages over previous generation fighters.
        This is true, but the Americans deliberately introduced "generations" into circulation along with stealth coating and began to accrue not weak points for it and put themselves "ahead of the rest" request Even though it's nonsense, we play it. request
        1. -2
          26 June 2022 06: 53
          If you play by the rules of the United States, then the Su-57 is already the 6th generation hi

          You can bring a very wide range of advantages of the Su-57 that are physically impossible to implement on the F-22 and 35 good

          By the way, if, again, ,, dance ,, from US rules, then the Chinese fighter is a maximum of 4+
          1. +4
            26 June 2022 07: 53
            Quote from blade3
            By the way, if, again, ,, dance ,, from US rules, then the Chinese fighter is a maximum of 4+

            Duc, the Merikos say that the J-20> fighter is not 5 generations, but lower!
            1. 0
              April 2 2023 12: 22
              Where? They call it the 5th generation fighter.
          2. +2
            26 June 2022 10: 30
            You can bring a very wide range of advantages of the Su-57 that are physically impossible to implement on the F-22 and 35

            Please bring
            1. -12
              26 June 2022 10: 56
              What is the Su-57 and how is it fundamentally different from the F-22 and 35.

              1) Combat fighter with an optional unmanned mode and the presence of artificial intelligence on board.

              2) A heavy fighter capable of carrying hypersonic missiles.

              3) A fighter with really working stealth technology (none of the 57x transfers to the SAR was tracked by the radars of either Israel, Turkey or NATO as a whole. The excellent work of the stealth mode was also confirmed in the Ukrainian theater of military operations.

              4) A fighter capable of leading drones as part of a single complex.

              5) flight characteristics exceeding even the flight characteristics of the Su-35 of the most maneuverable MFI in the world.

              6) And this is only from the known, there is a lot of secret
              1. +6
                26 June 2022 11: 03
                Ah, so it's you. Copypasta man.
                Sorry I didn't recognize it right away.
                1. -13
                  26 June 2022 11: 07
                  Believe me, in order to answer 75-80% of comments, you don’t need to invent anything new. Learn the materiel hi
              2. -1
                27 June 2022 05: 10
                Quote from blade3
                What is the Su-57 and how is it fundamentally different from the F-22 and 35.

                The only option that distinguishes the Su-57 and has an unconditional advantage is an all-angle radar capable of providing 360 degrees of radar illumination. But lately there has been no information about this revolutionary radar. I hope that it nevertheless turned out and corresponds to the terms of reference.
                Everything else you listed ... a set of slogans and cheap advertising clichés that have already set your teeth on edge.

                To begin with, let this aircraft enter service with at least one squadron.
                Quote from blade3
                4) A fighter capable of leading drones as part of a single complex.

                These drones are MUCH BETTER any two-seat fighter can fly. But the existing modification of the Su-57 will be extremely difficult to do this.
                It will be possible to fully appreciate the merits and value of this fighter only after gaining combat experience, at least as part of a regiment or squadron.
                The avionics and armament composition is what matters.
                Yes, and the engines on it are still - the first stage.

                Meanwhile, China has already practically brought to mind its new engine, created on the basis of our experimental R179V-300, with a thrust of 18 kg.s. , which was sold to him back in the 500s, and the rotary nozzle for it (intended for the Yak-90 VTOL aircraft) was sold in the 201s.
                When such an engine appears in its final finished form, China will have not only a full-fledged 5th generation fighter, but also its own VTOL aircraft. And they will base it on the entire UDC type park. 075 .

                And we still DO NOT have either the "Izdeliya-30", or the Su-57 itself in any decent quantity, or the UDC, or even the only aircraft carrier in service.
                1. -3
                  27 June 2022 10: 13
                  China: there will be, there will be, practically there

                  Russia: already

                  Let's do without slogans ourselves ok? good
                  1. -1
                    27 June 2022 10: 31
                    Quote from blade3
                    Russia: already

                    Are you talking about the 2nd stage engine?
                    It was once again promised at the end of the year. And I will be infinitely glad if this time the words do not diverge from reality.
                    Maybe there is a Belka radar?
                    Maybe ... but not a single word in publications about her in recent YEARS. In the last mentions of the RLC, there was a proposal to put Irbis on the Su-57E and offer it for export.
                    Nobody was interested.
                    Maybe this 5th generation fighter is in the army?
                    what About the only link (4 pcs.) Supplied to the troops over the past 3-4 years, it’s a sin to say such a thing .... But let's hope we can.
                    But with the IL-76MD90A ... request CAN NOT .
                    It's hard to understand WHY, but... request can not .

                    So where are the slogans then?
                    In China, too, there is no ice yet, but their main problem is engines.
                    Just like ours.
                    But we have not only engines.
                    But the R179V-300 engine was good ... although it was sold as a prototype. Now the R576-300 is proposed with an afterburner power of up to 21 - 22 t.s. , and without afterburner - 13 t.s.
                    If only it was like this, but not in promises, but in the flesh, but on the Su-75 ... The Beast-machine and the best in the world.
                    They promise what will happen.
                    And no slogans.
                    hi
                    1. -2
                      27 June 2022 10: 51
                      A lot of water and predictions.

                      What does the engine of the second stage have to do with it? I wrote above that the criteria for a 5th generation aircraft are a set of qualities that cannot be implemented in aircraft of the previous generation. Wash even children in kindergarten is clear. I described the fundamental differences above, study.
                      1. 0
                        27 June 2022 11: 34
                        Young man, learn manners and take the trouble to study the topics under discussion at least a little, you are just an enthusiastic layman.
                        Quote from blade3
                        I wrote above that the criteria for a 5th generation aircraft

                        You wrote a lot of nonsense heard or read from completely Illiterate journalists.
                        I wrote to you in Russian in white that without an appropriate engine and avionics, namely, the declared all-angle AFAR "Belka" all-angle radar, the Su-57 at best corresponds to the 5-, or 4 ++ generation. All over the world, AFARs have long been on 4 and 4+ fighters, and it’s not with our lack of our own radio component base to trump with some kind of "superpowers". The idea was good, and the implementation - as always.
                        And never argue, especially in such a tone, with military specialists, in this case, with a radar specialist.
                      2. -2
                        27 June 2022 11: 47
                        Well, you yourself answered what you are a specialist in - radar laughing

                        Combat aircraft are definitely not your forte, study the materiel
                      3. -1
                        27 June 2022 12: 35
                        In fact, air defense is just engaged in aviation, and in the most direct way. Who else knows about it, except for aviation itself.
                      4. -2
                        27 June 2022 12: 47
                        Then take care of the electronic warfare systems of the aircraft as a load for radar - you will learn a lot of new things;) wink
                2. -2
                  28 June 2022 21: 19
                  The engine will be for the next 30-50 years. We'll have time
              3. 0
                April 2 2023 12: 24
                Funny tales, why is this prodigy then sitting in the hangar?
      2. +3
        26 June 2022 08: 08
        Advanced electronics can also be stuffed into the MiG-21, but I doubt very much that the Y-20 has cruising super sound and UVT. Colleagues in their comments are at a loss about this.
        1. -7
          26 June 2022 08: 11
          I also explain to everyone that the program code does not radically raise the level of the aircraft and cannot exceed the physical capabilities of the “matter” of the aircraft
          1. +6
            26 June 2022 08: 23
            Excuse me, the level of my education does not allow you to fully appreciate your scientific justification for the gradation of generations of modern aircraft. Apart from jokes, I did not understand anything.
  3. 0
    26 June 2022 06: 46
    Despite this, FC-31 helped the Chinese industry to evaluate the new model of technology and test various solutions for this project.
    Oh how! The industry is evaluating what crap the designers have scrawled! It has always been the opposite. Can the industry pull up a new development, if not, then pull up or create a new industry.
    1. 0
      26 June 2022 19: 51
      Are you measuring in the USSR? Chinese industry is developing according to the logic of its country, which even 10 years ago had a powerful link with the US financial sector and their own Democratic Party.
  4. +8
    26 June 2022 06: 55
    Of course, the scale of work is impressive. The article is large, but there are no performance characteristics of the 5th generation aircraft. There is nothing to compare with.
    1. +7
      26 June 2022 06: 59
      Quote: steel maker
      Of course, the scale of work is impressive. The article is large, but there are no performance characteristics of the 5th generation aircraft. There is nothing to compare with.
      Why do you need TTX? When
      There are also issues of prestige.
      CHINA!
      1. +1
        26 June 2022 19: 59
        Here - this is, in my opinion, the most accurate explanation of "what kind of article this is." A little jarring, but in the vastness of Runet there are both lobbyists for and against the PRC, there is too little qualitative analysis. However, for a free analysis - this is also a little more ... Journalists could crush hack-work in their ranks, but on average, it leaves much to be desired.
    2. +2
      26 June 2022 08: 19
      Quote: steel maker
      The article is large, but there are no performance characteristics of the 5th generation aircraft. There is nothing to compare with.

      And escho ... When they write about the "Chinese" of the 5th generation, they often mention the MiG-1.44, because ..."Among a number of experts, there is an opinion that some technologies and general types of aircraft were transferred to China ..." recourse
      1. 0
        April 2 2023 12: 26
        Similarities between 1.44 and J-20 are about zero.
  5. +1
    26 June 2022 07: 53
    In 2016, mass production was launched; in the future, its pace gradually increased. At the end of the year, the first production vehicles were transferred to the training unit of the air force. In March 2017, the new J-20 was officially adopted by the PLA Air Force. A year later, a full-fledged deployment of new equipment in combat units began.

    Well done Chinese, they have launched mass production of fifth-generation fighters, but we are still having a hard time with this.
    Just a question. How invisible is he? The Hindus say that it is not so clear, but they see it on the locators.
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    1. -4
      26 June 2022 07: 57
      The Chinese fighter has nothing to do with the 5th generation, the maximum is 4+.

      We are having a hard time with this, because technologically creating a FULL 5th generation fighter is a very difficult task, and Russia is so far the only country that has coped with this, albeit in single copies so far. hi
      1. +1
        26 June 2022 08: 15
        Quote from blade3
        Russia so far only country who coped with this, albeit so far in single copies.

        The cap rose and flew away, he does not know where. wink
        1. -4
          26 June 2022 08: 19
          Is there anything on the case besides your cap that is not tied to your ears? fellow
          1. -1
            26 June 2022 08: 25
            Quote from blade3
            There is something to the point

            Do you really consider Russia the only country in the world that produces fifth-generation aircraft?
            Maybe the "Coalition" belongs to the class of self-propelled guns "analogues in the world"?

            You treat life with humor - you will have time to enjoy senile insanity.
            hi
            1. -4
              26 June 2022 08: 34
              I suggest not to clutter up the conversation if you have nothing on the case. hi
      2. 0
        26 June 2022 08: 24
        The criteria for this fifth generation were determined by the Americans, we may have our own criteria and, accordingly, their pepelats may not correspond to ours.
      3. 0
        28 June 2022 21: 20
        Maybe it's good that he's late.
  6. -2
    26 June 2022 08: 13
    Achievements and prospects: Chinese fighters of the 5th generation

    Achievements are obvious: copying and stamping itself takes place at the proper level and at a high pace.
    The prospects are vague: to create aircraft without their own engine is very reckless.
    In addition, the prospects for cooperation between the Russian Federation and China in the military field are illusory. The probability is too high that sooner or later the student will FINALLY surpass the “teacher”, and the teacher, weighed down by age and the accepted production organization system, will not be forced to produce aircraft (as well as smartphones) in China ...
    1. -6
      26 June 2022 08: 17
      No, this will never happen. Russia cannot afford such “luxury”, as it has always been, is and will be subjected to attacks from outside.

      And in the light of the transformation of the structure of the world, this is now generally impossible.
    2. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 24
      In this, Russia is hard to beat. It is impossible to jump over a generation and its qualitative development. It must be lived. And the USSR lived it very intensively. Do not repeat. But I share some of your concerns.
    3. 0
      April 2 2023 12: 27
      Engines have been around for a long time - WS-10C. Now the WS-15 for the J-20 has already gone into mass production.
  7. -4
    26 June 2022 08: 29
    Quote: andrewkor
    Excuse me, the level of my education does not allow you to fully appreciate your scientific justification for the gradation of generations of modern aircraft. Apart from jokes, I did not understand anything.


    Figuratively speaking, if, for example, the UHT parameters of an aircraft have certain boundaries, then no additions to the electronics will expand these boundaries.

    This is a stone in the garden of all F-35 fans who claim that updated software, rather than making changes to the physical design, can make it a more advanced machine. hi
  8. -1
    26 June 2022 08: 37
    Firstly, China is already close200Wait, waitJ20,Second China has long begun to produce dosing with its own engines. If there is no clear news, do not write these false and funny articles
    1. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 25
      There are no 4th generation engines of the proper resource
      1. 0
        April 2 2023 12: 27
        Yes, the WS-10C has already surpassed the AL-31F in terms of resource, so the latter was no longer bought for the J-10C fighters.
  9. 0
    26 June 2022 09: 41
    "One of the few" is the "second".
  10. +1
    26 June 2022 10: 40
    About engines - I agree.
    There will be an engine - there will be a fifth generation.
    The Su-57 will also become a full-fledged "fifth" only after being equipped with the "Product 30".
    While they are AL-41F1. The same as on the Su-35.
    __________________________________

    Well, logically - in the future (who knows, maybe not so distant) the sixth generation - when IDD engines appear.
  11. +2
    26 June 2022 10: 55
    If you look at machines as a whole, the limit of development in technology has been reached. Another generation cannot be created on the same components, which means that current developments will be used for many more decades to come. 6th generation, beautiful fairy tale.
  12. -2
    26 June 2022 11: 05
    Quote: Olgerd Gediminovich
    About engines - I agree.
    There will be an engine - there will be a fifth generation.
    The Su-57 will also become a full-fledged "fifth" only after being equipped with the "Product 30".
    While they are AL-41F1. The same as on the Su-35.
    __________________________________

    Well, logically - in the future (who knows, maybe not so distant) the sixth generation - when IDD engines appear.


    No, there are not Su-35 engines there.
    This is a modernized version with increased traction and reduced fuel consumption, new electronics. They perfectly allow the Su-57 to enter the necessary flight modes that, for example, are not available to the F-35.

    Article 30 is even more traction with less fuel consumption, that's the whole point.
  13. -6
    26 June 2022 13: 10
    Something urashechki here about engines and supersonic clucked ... That's just why stealth planes that attack a blind enemy with long-range missiles cruising supersonic none of them are able to explain
    1. -3
      26 June 2022 13: 16
      Man, are you a random phrase generator? laughing
  14. 0
    26 June 2022 18: 25
    They will develop. And, the engines will do it. Because they treat Madame "Broshkins" harshly. In, unlike our cabals.
    1. +2
      26 June 2022 20: 11
      so far the general trend is: they reproduce with talent, even find ways to improve production, but conceptually "can't". and this trend follows from the cultural ontology, which dictates the methodology of thinking. If they want to change the technological language to English, they will have to raise generations of engineers in an incubator, which, in principle, is not healthy and is already noticeable now. within the framework of their culture, they cannot think like Europeans.
      but this does not mean that China will not have its own achievements, although they should be assessed in an expanded context that "European" civilization has not yet mastered.
  15. 0
    26 June 2022 19: 13
    China, like Russia, will lead in armaments, since these two countries have wonderful engineers and designers. It doesn't matter if you have $60 billion or $1 trillion. According to the logic of the North Atlantic Alliance, if you "shove" expensive parts, then a weapon or a fighter will work better, but this is not so. The most important thing is to understand what you are "shove".
  16. 0
    27 June 2022 00: 01
    Taki wrote that the Chinese are already putting their engines on planes. As we started, our articles began to bypass this topic, and the fans also decreased in the comments.

    They wrote that the quality is improved by 5 percent per year (literally)
  17. 0
    27 June 2022 01: 07
    when I saw the repeated names, I knew it, at least they gave the names and known characteristics of weapons and breo. And so: yum-yum yum-yum yum yum.
  18. 0
    27 June 2022 01: 11
    Comrade Ryabov, why did you reduce the number of aircraft produced by 2,5 - 3 times ?!
  19. +1
    27 June 2022 01: 52
    From the moment when they began to design 5th generation aircraft, the situation has changed - new airborne reconnaissance and target designation systems and new missiles have appeared. Now the aircraft does not need, as before, to "twist" the enemy, it became possible to aim and launch a missile with an almost full-spherical view and launch in any direction, which reduced the requirements for aircraft maneuverability, made it possible to increase close combat speeds and thus sharply limited even the theoretical possibility use of aircraft OBT in combat conditions.
    And the appearance of missiles with large disposable overloads, target acquisition after launch and improved GOS reduced the aircraft’s anti-missile maneuver capabilities, which in any case is even theoretically limited to 9-9,5 times the overload - people and equipment no longer allow (but in reality, a maximum of seven times) . It is practically impossible to escape from a missile with a disposable overload of 50G by an anti-missile maneuver with such ratios of permissible overloads, especially if the missiles are launched in pairs.
  20. 0
    27 June 2022 11: 00
    Well done Chinese! No time is wasted and money is not wasted. They have no idea where neither the gold nor the currency disappears. Already 5 nm technology is being developed, materials for research have been brought from the Moon, the 5th generation of fighters is being updated (by the way, according to Wiki, 150 of them were riveted). And I'm sure the 5th generation engine will also be mastered soon. If the United States does not finally quarrel. While the Russian Federation successfully covers them with its quirks, they are developing, maybe at their tough request.
    1. -1
      27 June 2022 12: 54
      China does not yet have 5th generation aircraft. The one that is presented - 4+. In fact, it is like a Su-30SM in a different glider.

      The concept of "5th generation engine" does not exist in nature at all.
  21. 0
    2 July 2022 01: 35
    The article does not provide comparative characteristics with analogues, there is no attempt to evaluate the pros and cons of the considered aircraft model. The article is informatively empty.