Ka-50/Ka-52: forty years old, normal flight!

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Forty years ago, on June 17, 1982, as time has shown, a milestone event happened: for the first time, a B-80 project helicopter took off from the ground, which became the prototype for the Ka-50 and Ka-52 family of helicopters.

Stories the path of these machines and is dedicated to this material.



It all started in 1973, when Soviet intelligence reported that in 1972 competitive work began in the United States to create new attack helicopters. Looking ahead, I will say that it is the winner of this competition, the YAH-64 model from Hughes, that we today know as Apache.


At that time, the Mi-24 was the main combat helicopter of the Soviet army, but everything was not so smooth with it. Yes, the "Crocodile" regularly carried out its service, but the desire to have a rotary-wing "both a reader and a reaper", an attack helicopter with a place to detach paratroopers, was paid for by a decrease in combat effectiveness.

And therefore, in response to American developments, a decision was made by the Council of Ministers of the USSR to create a new generation combat helicopter, which could become a worthy response to overseas imperialists.

On December 16, 1976, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, within the framework of the adopted resolution, obliged the design bureaus of N.I. Kamov and M.L. Mile to create competitive designs for an attack helicopter, the best of which will be put into service. The main task of the new machine was the destruction of enemy armored vehicles on the battlefield and in the near front line. No landings.

Design Bureau Kamov at that time, although it was considered "naval”, but there was experience in creating land models. Shortly before the events mentioned, a land version of the Ka-25F was created on the basis of the ship's Ka-25. This helicopter was supposed to be equipped with a 23-mm mobile gun, six Phalanx ATGMs, six NAR units and aerial bombs. The crew of the Ka-25F consisted of two people, and the cargo compartment could accommodate eight paratroopers.

The project was put up for competition, but then the more modern Mi-24 won, which had the best performance characteristics due to new engines and newer weapons systems such as the Shturm ATGM.

Work on the new machine was headed by the head of the design bureau - chief (later General) designer Sergei Mikheev.


It is clear that in terms of appearance, a choice was made in the direction of the proprietary coaxial screw arrangement. This was justified, since the efficiency of the carrier system of a coaxial helicopter is on average 16-22% higher than that of a single-rotor helicopter. The coaxial rotor helicopter had an altitude advantage of up to 1000 meters with the same engine power, and the rate of climb was 4-5 m / s higher.

In general, a coaxial helicopter has more advantages in terms of control, it can perform maneuvers that are simply inaccessible to a helicopter of a classical propeller arrangement. Yes, this is paid for by a very massive and bulky carrier system, but, as practice shows, it's worth it.


Mikheev decided to make the B-80 single-seat. The absence of a navigator-operator was supposed to be compensated by the electronics of the sighting and navigation system.

Yes, the devil is here. In general, the Ka-25 and Ka-27 already used electronic systems for automatic search for submarines, which actually unloaded the crew. Mikheev relied specifically on electronics, since it was the absence of a second crew member that made it possible to equip the helicopter with all the necessary systems, since Soviet electronics of that time differed in weight and size not for the better.

In addition, there was already considerable experience in the use of single-seat attack aircraft, which operated on the battlefield in much the same way as helicopters were supposed to be used. This is how the A-4 Skyhawk worked in Vietnam.

One pilot on board and the coaxial scheme caused many objections to the Kamov Design Bureau project, but in the end, Mikheev (more precisely, the helicopter developed under his leadership) proved that the concept of a single-seat combat helicopter has the right to life. Yes, it is not as convenient as two people, but such a machine and its pilot can perform combat missions.

Mindful of the failure with the older "Phalanx" against the "Shturm" at the Mil helicopter, this time the main missile armament was the "Whirlwind" ATGM with a laser guidance system and automatic target tracking. Plus, the presence of a very powerful warhead weighing 12 kg of a tandem fragmentation-cumulative type with a decent flight range of 8 km made it possible to hit both targets on the ground and in the air.

A gun. A very peculiar and risky decision to abandon existing aviation guns in favor of the 30-mm single-barreled automatic gun 2A42 from existing infantry fighting vehicles. I had to work very hard to compensate for the main drawback of 2A42 - its mass. But it turned out to place the gun in the area of ​​the center of mass, and even in the hardest part of the fuselage, which made it possible to maintain the main advantage - firing accuracy. In addition, they decided to abandon the turret, which greatly reduced the mass of the installation.


The B-80 had a trump card: a very fast horizontal maneuver. That is, the helicopter turned at a speed that was in no way inferior to the hydraulic or electric drives of modern turrets. Does it make sense then to put a bulky and heavy turret, if the issue can be resolved differently?

And so they did. Horizontal coarse guidance was carried out by the entire body of the helicopter, and precise guidance in a small range was assigned to the hydraulic drive.

Naturally, in addition to ATGMs and cannons, the V-80 arsenal included NAR blocks, UPK-23-250 cannon containers, aerial bombs, and small cargo containers (KMGU).

The sighting system was developed by a number of enterprises, the Rubikon unified flight-navigation-sighting complex was made by the Leningrad NPO Elektroavtomatika, and individual parts were manufactured at OMZ Zenit. The Shkval television automatic sighting system was created simultaneously for the V-80 and Su-25.

combat survivability. A very important point, and here the design staff of the Kamov Design Bureau worked to the fullest. Developments were carried out that significantly (as shown by combat tests) increased the survivability of the helicopter:
- placement of engines on the sides of the fuselage. This, on the one hand, excluded their defeat with one shot, on the other hand, it made it possible to continue the flight on one engine;
- protection of the cockpit with the use of combined armor and armored glass;
- armored compartment of the hydraulic steering system;
- protection of fuel tanks;
- fire protection of the power plant and compartments adjacent to the fuel tanks;
- ensuring the operability of the transmission within 30 minutes after the defeat of the oil system;
- duplication and diversity on the sides of the power supply system, control circuits;
- additional protection of more important machine systems by less important ones located on the outside.

In the most positive way, the increase in survivability was affected by the absence of a vulnerable tail rotor in the B-80 with intermediate and tail gearboxes and control rods.

The cockpit was made fully armored using spaced metal plates with a total mass of more than 300 kg. Tests have shown that the armor protects the pilot from bullets of 12,7 mm caliber and fragments of 20 mm shells hitting the side.

But the main "highlight" was the use of the K-37-800 rocket-parachute ejection system, which was developed at Zvezda, to save the pilot.


The B-80 was supposed to be used both autonomously and as part of a reconnaissance-strike complex, which included aviation and ground reconnaissance and target designation equipment.

On June 17, 1982, test pilot Nikolai Bezdetnov hovered on it for the first time, and on July 23 the helicopter made its first flight in a circle.

Since no one canceled the secrecy regime, in order not to "burn" a helicopter of rather unusual shapes, which had to be flown around near the Moscow Ring Road in the area of ​​\u80b\uXNUMXbNovoryazanskoye Highway, the Kamov Design Bureau took an original step: the first copy for testing was painted in sky- blue color and painted on it with yellow paint additional doors and portholes. They even riveted transparent overlays to the "portholes" to imitate the shine of glass. In one of the flights, one lining came off and fell into the engine air intake. B-XNUMX, as he was ordered, flew on one engine. Glass simulators were abandoned, but the parrot helicopter continued to fly.

In 1984, State comparative tests of the V-80 and Mi-28 began. In tests, the B-80 looked preferable to its competitor in many respects, so the order of the Minister of the Aviation Industry of the USSR to start mass production of the B-80 came as no surprise to anyone.

Unfortunately, during the tests for practicing accelerated departure from low altitude to the ground, the most experienced test pilot of the Kamov Design Bureau, Evgeny Laryushkin, who did a lot to make the B-80 a successful machine, died for an obstacle. However, the analysis of the disaster by the commission showed that the cause was not the defects of the machine, but the underinvestigation of behavior in extreme conditions. The tests were continued.

Armament tests brought many interesting moments. "Whirlwind" on the B-80 on laser guidance was more successful than the "Attack" on radio command guidance to the Mi-28. Mainly due to the range of application, the "Whirlwind" hit targets at 8 kilometers, and the "Attack" - only at 5,3 km, which gave the hypothetical enemy a chance to work out their army air defense on the Mi-28. The B-80 could launch missiles because of the enemy's air defense range, which was very significant.

The gun also brought surprises to the commission. Despite the fact that the Mi-28 gun turned 110 degrees to the left and right of the center line of the helicopter, and the B-80 2 degrees to the left and 9 degrees to the right, this was very easily parried by the maneuverability of the Kamov machine.

The B-80 with 2A42 turned out to be 4 times more accurate than the Mi-28, and besides, the B-80 had twice as much ammunition: 500 rounds versus 250.

Based on the results obtained at the State comparative tests in October 1986, a final conclusion was made on the advisability of choosing the B-80 as a promising combat helicopter of the Soviet Army.

There were, however, a number of comments that needed to be addressed. It was proposed to equip the B-80 with an airborne defense complex (a laser irradiation detection station, a device for shooting passive interference), to ensure the interface of the sighting-flight-navigation complex with the equipment of ground and aviation reconnaissance means.

It was especially proposed to realize the possibility of combat use of a helicopter at night. Such an opportunity was actually planned by the developers, but the Mercury night vision television system was not ready at the time of the tests.

On December 14, 1987, the resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR was finally adopted on the launch of a single-seat attack helicopter V-80Sh-1 into serial production at the Progress plant in Arsenyevo, Primorsky Krai.


The competition ended with the victory of the Kamov Design Bureau helicopter. The Mi-28 was not removed from the agenda, it was transferred to the Rostov Helicopter Plant for the purpose of possible production for export.

In 1990, the V-80Sh-1 received the new name Ka-50.


And then the USSR ended. And new milestones began in the life of the Ka-50.

Attempts were made to present the Ka-50 on the world stage. In August 1992, the helicopter was shown at the air show in Zhukovsky, and in September went to the UK, to an exhibition in Farnborough. In Farnborough, the Ka-50 made a fuss. The rudder of this car was decorated with the image of the head of a werewolf and the inscription "Werewolf".

But by that time, the fifth prototype, painted black, had managed to star in the movie Black Shark. After the film, one of the production copies rode around the exhibitions with the image of a black shark and the inscription "Blackshark" on the rudder. So the name stuck, because the "Black Shark" rode more exhibitions than the "Werewolf". Le Bourget, Farnborough, Dubai, Kuala Lumpur - the world saw the new Russian car in more than detail.


By 1994, the now Kamov firm had submitted documentation to the manufacturer on a list of measures aimed at eliminating the comments reflected in the State Testing Act. After the work was completed, on August 28, 1995, by the Decree of the President of Russia, the Ka-50 helicopter was adopted by the Russian Army.

But then bad things happened. A protracted Russian crisis began, in which there was no money for the serial construction of the Ka-50. Instead of the planned several hundred helicopters, NINE machines were built, which, together with the prototypes, amounted to 14 machines - the total number of helicopters produced. And the Mi-24 continued to serve.

The baptism of fire of the Ka-50 took place during the anti-terrorist operation conducted by the Russian Army in Chechnya.


In December 2000, an experimental attack group consisting of two Ka-50 helicopters and a Ka-29 target designation helicopter arrived in Chechnya. Ka-50s were first used in combat on January 6, 2001, and subsequently combat operation only confirmed the initially calculated high combat characteristics. In high altitude conditions, at temperatures above +30 degrees, the Ka-50 showed a clear advantage in flight characteristics over the Mi-24.

But in fact, the history of the Ka-50 almost ended there.


LTH Ka-50

The diameter of the main screw, m: 14,50
Length, m: 13,50
Height, m: 4,90
Weight, kg
- empty: 7 692
- normal takeoff: 9 800
- maximum take-off: 10 800

Engine: 2 x GTE Klimov TV3-117VMA x 2 hp

Maximum speed, km/h: 390
Cruising speed, km / h: 270

Practical range, km: 1 160
Range, km: 460
Rate of climb, m / min: 600
Practical ceiling, m: 5 500
Static ceiling, m: 4

Crew, prs: 1

Armament:
- one 30 mm 2A42 cannon with 500 rounds
combat load - 2000 kg on 4 suspension nodes:
- 4 x 3 ATGM "Whirlwind" or UR "air-to-air" or 4 x 20 pieces of 80-mm NUR or containers with cannons or machine guns

Ka-50N



A modification that, as the abbreviation implies, can successfully operate not only during the day, but also at night. Actually, the requirements for such opportunities were announced by the State Commission back in the Soviet Union, but their implementation was somewhat delayed.

Unfortunately, the first domestic samples of night observation and sighting systems were not very reliable, and their characteristics left much to be desired. Therefore, the commission, evaluating the Ka-50 and Mi-28, could not single out any of the helicopters for the better in terms of night operations, both of them were worthless. Accordingly, even recognizing the superiority of the Kamov Design Bureau machine, the commission ordered that everything possible be done so that the helicopter could operate at night.

The bet was placed on the Mercury low-level television system, while work was underway to create a thermal imager for a helicopter. As a result, the thermal imager was placed above the Shkval complex, for which the nose of the helicopter had to be reconfigured. So she took on the forms we already know.

Ka-50/Ka-52: forty years old, normal flight!

10 years after the conclusions of the State Commission, the night version of the Ka-50 was ready. It was 1997 outside. And in the United States, AN-64A Apache combat helicopters equipped with the TADS / PNVS night system have been mass-produced since 1984 ...

Out of desperation caused by the crisis and the lack of both funds and equipment, with the permission of the Government, the Kamov Design Bureau signed a contract with the French company Thomson for the supply of thermal imagers to test the inclusion of these devices in the general network of the helicopter.

Kamovtsy integrated the thermal imager "Victor" from "Thomson" into the domestic optical-electronic system "Samshit-E". The system was named Samshit-50T and made it possible to test the Ka-50N and Ka-52 for helicopter operation in combat mode at night.

The thermal imager provided detection of a tank-type target from a distance of 7 kilometers, accurate aiming could be carried out from a distance of 4,5 - 5 km.

In addition to optical-electronic means, the helicopter received the Arbalet radar station, the antenna of which was placed above the propeller column in a special fairing. "Crossbow" solves not only issues of attack, but also protection, being included in the onboard defense system, warns the pilot of a possible attack from enemy aircraft or missiles.

According to the nomenclature of weapons, the Ka-50N is identical to the "day" Ka-50. Since the designers and engineers managed to pair the Samshit-50T and the Shkval complex, it became possible to use the Whirlwind missiles both day and night.

The fate of the Ka-50N was decided by the absence of a domestic thermal imager, at least closely similar in characteristics to the French device. In 1997, the helicopter could go into production if all the necessary equipment were available. But since this did not happen, then mass production did not take place.

Ka-50SH



Another attempt to create "what we need" instead of "what we can". An attempt began in 1993, when it became clear that the Mercury television system did not live up to the hopes placed on it. The mass and dimensions of the installation did not allow placing the "night TV" on aircraft.

Therefore, the attention of designers switched to infrared vision systems, that is, thermal imagers. The experiments of the Krasnogorsk OMZ "Zenith" together with the NPO "Geophysics" and the Kazan Institute of Applied Optics did not end in anything, and as mentioned above, the Ka-50N was forced to be equipped with imported equipment.

However, specialists from the Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant in Yekaterinburg created a whole concept of systems based on the principle of line of sight stabilization using high-precision gyroscopic sensors, a ball bearing and a three-coordinate torque motor.

UOMZ engineers created a series of optoelectronic systems, collectively called GOES - gyro-stabilized optoelectronic systems. Yes, these are the very “balls” that we can observe today on many combat vehicles, inside which are placed electronic modules for various purposes: a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder-target designator, an ATGM laser guidance system, a laser irradiation direction finder, an infrared direction finder, and so on.

Based on the developments of UOMZ, the GOES "Samshit-50" was created, created specifically for the Ka-50. "Samshit-50" provided a high degree of stabilization with a single line of sight for all modules and provided a wide range of position changes, +/-235 degrees in azimuth and 160 degrees in elevation with a high angular velocity of up to 60 degrees / sec.

GOES "Samshit-50" was installed on a helicopter, which received the Ka-50Sh index. A ball with a diameter of 640 mm contained four main modules: a laser rangefinder-target designator, a television channel, a laser-beam control system for the Vikhr ATGM, and a Victor thermal imager from the French company Thomson. Domestic developments were never completed.


In addition to the Samshita modules, the Crossbow over-the-bush radar was installed. But the main difference between the Ka-50Sh "Ural assembly" from the Ka-50N was a satellite navigation system with a color LCD screen, which displayed a map with the position of the machine.

In the process of working out, "Squall" and "Samshit-50" were swapped, the GOES ball was moved down the bow, and the "Squall" window went higher. At the same time, the Ka-50Sh received a new set of on-board equipment developed by the Ramenskoye Instrument Design Bureau. Actually, we can see these three color screens today. The Thomson thermal imager was replaced. Alas, French, from the company SAGEM.


In addition, to ensure the safe piloting of the Ka-50 at night, specialists from the Kamov company, NPO Orion and Geophysics-NV proposed equipping their crews with ONV-1 night vision goggles. This made it possible to partially solve the problems of flight safety at night, especially for "day" type machines. The ONV-1 glasses were tested on the Ka-50 in 1999 and received positive feedback.

As a result, the helicopter was killed by the tactics of combat use, based on the fact that there was only one person in the crew. The Ka-50 was supposed to barrage, waiting for information to arrive on a closed TV channel from the media, then go to the strike position and engage the target, being outside the enemy’s air defense coverage or entering it for a short time.

Given that either other helicopters (Ka-60 or Ka-29) or unmanned vehicles (work was underway on the Ka-37 and Ka-137) were supposed to issue target designations, the Kamov Design Bureau eventually decided to take a cardinal step: installing information collection modules to the helicopter with the introduction of the second crew member.

So the Ka-52 appeared, and the Ka-50 finally went down in history. To date, out of 16 aircraft produced, 4 are in airworthy condition and are used as training aircraft. There is no talk of producing a single-seat attack helicopter Ka-50. Production was officially discontinued in 2009.

Ka-52 "Alligator"



Actually, in fact, what they left, they came to: a two-seat attack helicopter capable of operating completely independently of the centers for issuing instructions.

In general, the Ka-52 was originally, work on a two-seater machine began in 1984, and initially such a helicopter was planned as a reconnaissance vehicle, which would issue target designations for the Ka-50. The program was slowed down (if not stopped) by the collapse of the entire Soviet system in the 90s, but it was not abandoned in the Kamov Design Bureau.

General Designer Mikheev decided to transfer the reconnaissance and target designation complex to the Ka-50, which, in theory, had already been put into production. Naturally, this required a second crew member to be placed in the cockpit, who was supposed to work with a complex of reconnaissance radar equipment and an optical-electronic surveillance complex. It is clear that it was unrealistic to assign so many duties to the pilot.

At the same time, the idea of ​​placing the pilot and operator side by side, and not one behind the other, as on classic machines, was implemented. Such an innovative placement (as on the Su-34) greatly facilitated the interaction of pilots, especially on difficult flights at low altitudes. In addition, this made it possible not to duplicate instruments and displays for outputting operational information.

In 1994, the shock-reconnaissance version was ready, but the cockpit came out wide, angular and too noticeable in the radio range. Perhaps it was the desire to make the most of the ready-made elements from the Ka-50, but everything had to be redone. The work took almost two years, the glazing scheme had to be redone almost completely, plus the placement of the second ejection cross forced me to work with the weight distribution of the car.

The result was a completely different helicopter, but 86% unified with the Ka-50, for which there were no questions in terms of components and components. Where the proper name, "Alligator" came from, there is no information, but the helicopter was dubbed that way.


The main difference between the "Alligator" and the "Black Shark" is the bow. Double cabin with a new electronic "stuffing", which replaced the electromechanical devices of the last century. And a slightly larger mass. Otherwise, the Ka-52 is still the same Ka-50, the assortment of weapons from the Ka-50Sh has been retained.


Flight performance, of course, deteriorated. The helicopter has become heavier by more than half a ton, this was expected initially and there is no secret about that. It was planned to neutralize this by installing more powerful TVZ-117VMA-SBZ engines from Motor Sich, but in the end they left the Klimov VK-2500.

In general, fine-tuning the Ka-52 to the ideal took a very long time, until 2006. But it was worth it, because even the heavier helicopter performs all the same aerobatic maneuvers as the Ka-50.


In 2008, serial production of the helicopter began.

It is worth mentioning separately about the "stuffing". Naturally, thirty years have not been in vain, even more so, if you look at the general level, today the Ka-52 is at a higher level than the Ka-50 at one time.

Even despite the fact that electronics in our country has never been something ultra-modern (which proves the use of thermal imagers for 20 years), the Ka-52 looks quite modern.

The avionics-52 complex, also known as Argument-2000, is a completely modern complex that provides the solution of all flight and navigation tasks in all weather conditions and at any time of the day.


Argument-2000 includes the Baget-53 data processing center, the PNK-37DM, TOES-520 flight and navigation kit, the all-round surveillance and flight system, the defense complex, the airborne communications system, the new RN01 Arbalet-52 radar ".

"Crossbow-52" became a two-channel radar. The first part is located in the bow and provides the crew with flight at ultra-low altitudes and search for targets with subsequent aiming. The second channel with over-hub antenna provides all-round visibility and provides anti-missile protection.


All data received from the radar and TPP are combined into a single stream and broadcast by Argument to LCD screens in the cockpit.


The armament is practically the same as that of the Ka-50, but there are six hardpoints instead of four. The main weapons are the same laser-guided Ataka missiles, 9M120-1 with a tandem cumulative warhead against armored vehicles and 9M120F-1 high-explosive with a volumetric detonating mixture against personnel. Igla-V missiles can be used against air targets.

There is a certain potential for strengthening weapons. The bet is on the new Hermes-A missiles, the range of which is expected to be 15-20 km, which will allow the helicopter to attack a target outside the coverage area of ​​its worst enemy - short-range air defense. Ka-52 will be able to take 16 of these missiles.

As the weapons short-range adaptation is considered for aircraft carriers of ATGM "Chrysanthemum" induced by radio channel. Ka-52 will be able to take on board 16 missiles. The classic Ataka missiles, which are also undergoing modernization stages, should not be discounted.


LTH Ka-52

The diameter of the rotor, m: 14,50
Wingspan, m: 7,30
Fuselage length, m: 13,80
Height, m: 4,90

Weight, kg
- empty: 7 800
- normal takeoff: 10 400
- maximum take-off: 11 300

Engine: 2 x GTE Klimov VK-2500 x 2400 hp

Maximum speed km / h: 310
Cruising speed, km / h: 250
Ferry range, km: 1
Practical range, km: 455
Rate of climb, m / min: 960

Practical ceiling, m: 5 500
Static ceiling, m: 3

Crew, prs: 2

Armament:
- one 30 mm 2A42 cannon with 460 rounds
combat load - 2000 kg on 6 suspension units
- 4 x 3 Shturm-VU ATGMs and 2 x 2 Igla-V air-to-air missiles or 80 80-mm NUR or 10 122-mm NUR
FAB-100, FAB-500, KMGU-2; ZB-500; RBC-500, RBC-250, PTB 4 x 550 liters or cannon containers UPK-23-250.

Forty years of evolution have not been wasted. On the one hand, over these forty years less than two hundred combat vehicles were produced, but the initially laid down potential will definitely allow the Ka-52 to serve for a very long time. And, to serve with benefit.

The Mi-24, which recently celebrated its anniversary, was produced in the amount of more than three thousand copies, is still fighting and doing it effectively. But new helicopters like Ka-52 and Mi-28N will still take their toll. Not much younger in age, but more modern, these machines can be relevant for several more decades. So, as practice has shown, forty years - this can only be the beginning of an even longer and more impressive journey that is in store for this combat vehicle.
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  1. +16
    17 June 2022 04: 58
    Ka-50/Ka-52: forty years old, normal flight!
    We will remember how it all began... "Black Shark" as a movie star
  2. -3
    17 June 2022 06: 00
    An excellent Soviet helicopter, the only weak point of which is the obsolete Whirlwind, they seem to be changing to a modern one, working on the principle of lined and forgotten.
    1. +2
      17 June 2022 11: 55
      I saw the Ka50 in 1987 in the sky near Smolensk. I was surprised by the unusual appearance. Then I didn’t know what kind of car it was
    2. -1
      18 June 2022 00: 39
      the vortex is not at all outdated, especially since it was finished off by increasing the range, which helps to work more safely on targets
      the helicopter is in any case vulnerable if the battlefield is saturated with MANPADS and ATGMs
      you need to get to the launch site, find the target and fly away, and all these are risks
      1. +1
        18 June 2022 04: 57
        Who told you this nonsense? Whirlwind was a modern complex in the 80s, laser beam guidance was then the pinnacle of progress. But since then, ATGMs with homing heads have appeared and they appeared on Apache helicopters.
        The difference is that the Apache helicopter pilot, having discovered the target, launches a rocket and leaves, and our pilot, having discovered the target, is forced to stay at the same altitude and the same course for some time until the missile hits the target, and these seconds cost many pilots their lives
  3. +14
    17 June 2022 06: 12
    And yet, in real battles, the Ka-52 surpassed the Mi-28N in all respects, and therefore it is used in Ukraine ... and the Mi-28N stepped aside.
    1. -10
      17 June 2022 06: 49
      And yet in real battles

      Neither one nor the other has a special effect on the course of hostilities, and the new tactic of shooting at clouds from a nose up is something. Real battles only showed the vulnerability of helicopters.
      1. -2
        17 June 2022 07: 17
        you have a distorted perception of reality and false conclusions.
      2. +6
        17 June 2022 07: 51
        pulyaniya on the clouds with a cabriolet is something

        to grandfather's village...
    2. +3
      17 June 2022 07: 36
      There have already been many videos and articles that these helicopters work in pairs, perfectly complementing each other. But I still like the Ka-52 more.
      1. +4
        17 June 2022 10: 04
        It’s a pity the pair didn’t work out (as intended) the Ka-50 group and the command and reconnaissance Ka-52
        1. +5
          17 June 2022 10: 57
          As planned by Mikheev in the Ka-52, the second crew member is the group commander. As he saw the concept of application:
          "The Ka-52 could, with the help of radar, detect small-sized camouflaged targets at a distance of 25-30 km, and either destroy them itself or give target designation to attack helicopters (Ka-50), as well as perform cover functions - the Arbalet-L radar, as planned, it could detect air targets at a distance of 57 km, and the crew could attack them using R-73 guided missiles. Both machines perfectly complemented each other: a 2-seater as a commander, and a Ka-50 as a strike unit."
          It only remains to add here that the Ka-50, even with a more modern filling, will be cheaper in cost, lighter in weight (which means better performance characteristics and performance characteristics). Considering the numerous videos of "work", the bulk of them are calmly performed in a single-seat version, and no matter how cynical it sounds, there is one pilot, not two, at the forefront of the attack. The role of the Ka-52 (as more expensive) is precisely as a commander, target designator and reconnaissance.
          And the high unification of the Ka-50 and Ka-52 would easily allow them to be produced at the same plant.
        2. +4
          17 June 2022 13: 19
          Quote: KERMET
          It’s a pity the pair didn’t work out (as intended) the Ka-50 group and the command and reconnaissance Ka-52

          EMNIP, originally, a reconnaissance and target designation helicopter based on the V-50, aka Ka-60, was planned in tandem with the Ka-60.
          But it turned out to be easier for the Kamovites to make the Ka-52 by transferring the RCU complex with the B-60 to it than to bring the Ka-60, which, even after changing the index to the Ka-62, has not yet gone into production.
          1. +2
            17 June 2022 16: 22
            As I understand it, the Ka-60 failed the engine, and the lack of extra funds for our Defense Ministry to have such a class of helicopters
    3. +2
      17 June 2022 16: 56
      Mi also works, but from what I hear and read from the participants, it can be concluded that Ka is much more preferable and superior to the competitor. Unfortunately, I don't know the details.
  4. -5
    17 June 2022 06: 44
    In general, a coaxial helicopter has more advantages in terms of control, it can perform maneuvers that are simply inaccessible to a helicopter of a classical propeller arrangement. Yes, this is paid for by a very massive and bulky carrier system, but, as practice shows, it's worth it.


    It's a strange statement because
    for the first time, a dead loop in the USSR on a Mi-34 helicopter was performed by Boris Vasilyevich Savinov, test pilot of the Design Bureau named after Mil, in August 1988.
    1. +8
      17 June 2022 10: 01
      He twisted the dead loop and Kokkinaki on the DB-3 - so now we will level this aerobatics with the I-16?
    2. -2
      17 June 2022 19: 55
      It's a strange statement because
      for the first time a dead loop in the USSR on a Mi-34 helicopter

      Don't convince anyone. This is a local religion. After the operation, they will count, look at how many holes, what they lead to, how much iron should be hung. Dithyrambs and advertising will subside. And it will turn out to be a mediocre car in its row, no different from its peers, except for a dubious coaxial scheme. 24-ku was brought to the form in which Mil conceived it, already 10 years after his death. So she crawled through fire and water for this. Skomorokhov does not like the landing cabin? That's the trouble, they did not please. Yes, she goes there as a bonus, does not take anything away from the performance characteristics, and the benefits are huge. At least pick up the same ones who plopped down on the Ka-52 on the field.
      1. -7
        17 June 2022 21: 03
        After the operation, they will count, look at how many holes, what they lead to, how much iron needs to be hung

        In general, this SVO made anti-advertising for attack helicopters, unfortunately ...
      2. +1
        17 June 2022 21: 12
        What is mediocrity?
        1. -3
          17 June 2022 21: 59
          What is mediocrity?


          In performance characteristics, no different from the Mi-24, Mi-28 and the last "Apache". By the way, he put on a lot of weight compared to the first series. But where to get fat on the Ka-52 is already a problem. Armor will be needed in any way (there is usually no other), and the characteristics will creep down. But the variety in army aviation, which came with this machine, will remain. It would be more techies to listen to. Especially VD and AO. How to change a set of blades, adjust the conicity, or transfer the main gearbox. It's only in appearance "column" looks simple.
      3. +4
        17 June 2022 22: 31
        Quote: dauria
        24-ku was brought to the form in which Mil conceived it, already 10 years after his death. So she crawled through fire and water for this.

        Yah? another employee of the Mil Design Bureau?))) One question ... KAZ WHERE?
        1. -1
          18 June 2022 11: 24
          Yah? another employee of KB Mil?)

          No, I just know why helicopter pilots need colored crayons, a piece of paper and a mop with a lock. Do you know ?
          1. +1
            18 June 2022 19: 26
            Quote: dauria
            Do you know ?

            Are you a Jew with a question? Or, as usual, they beautifully went into the sunset, since there is nothing to answer)) and the finished tadpoles are a figment of your imagination.
  5. -1
    17 June 2022 06: 53
    As far as I know, the two-seater version was also originally intended as a command vehicle.

    How it was used for the first time in Chechnya, I heard from an eyewitness.
    A suitable target was reconnoitered, a Mi-24 group went there, which smashed everything to pieces there and in the vicinity, leaving some noticeable barn.
    Then the Ka-50 took off, accompanied by other Mi-24s, who had an order to bomb it on the ground to the maximum in case the Ka-50 fell. He's kind of a secret.
    Everything went well, the Ka-50 flew in, shot the barn, returned back, reported on the first successful completion of the combat mission.
    :)
    1. +3
      17 June 2022 11: 11
      In Chechnya, a technique was developed for aiming Ka-50 attack helicopters at ground targets using external target designation (VTsU) - the Ka-29VNTsPU acted as a gunner.
      As for the first combat mission, it could well have been so, but in total Ka-50 No. 24 was completed - 36 sorties, Ka-50 No. 25 - 13, Ka-29VPNTSU - 27 sorties. In total, 2 NAR firings were carried out from 50 Ka-100s (929 missiles were used up). From the 2A42 gun - 1600 shells. ATGM "Whirlwind" used up only three missiles (no worthy targets were found)
  6. +4
    17 June 2022 08: 53
    Novel! Once the film "Black Shark" was perceived as the fantastic achievements of the USSR in the helicopter industry...
    But new helicopters like Ka-52 and Mi-28N will still take their toll.

    Undoubtedly!
  7. +1
    17 June 2022 09: 04
    Here, in the discussions of the Ka-52 and MI-28, there was information that the 28th also participated in the Chechen war. I would like to know if this is the case. Or read about it.
  8. +5
    17 June 2022 09: 36
    These "guys", and Su-25 attack aircraft, work for us every day. It seems that everyone is already used to their daily flights, but they still greet, see off and wait.
  9. +2
    17 June 2022 10: 55
    If Syria was a test site, then Ukraine was truly the premiere for the Ka-52. By the way, I noticed that evidence of the use of the Mi-24 in the Northern Military District has practically disappeared from the information field.
    1. +1
      17 June 2022 14: 34
      Bulk them there
  10. +6
    17 June 2022 11: 07
    If we now had a modern electronic base, then the KA-50 would have received a second wind. For what could not be done 40 years ago can now be automated without problems without adding a second crew member
    1. -2
      18 June 2022 14: 57
      If we now had a modern electronic base, then the KA-50 would get a second wind
      .
      And if we were Jews and knew how to spend money wisely, then instead of this "zoo" we would have invested in the 90s in REO and the creation of fire-and-forget missiles with a range of more than 8 km for the Mi-24. This is the only thing that was missing then the good old workhorse .
      Now there would be a great car, recognized even by adversaries. And this unnecessary rubbish (Even though the Mi-28, even the Ka-52), which did not give anything "stunning" in terms of airframe and armor, compared to the Mi-24, they would not even begin to do.
  11. 0
    17 June 2022 11: 32
    Alegator was a folk contest for the name
  12. -1
    17 June 2022 11: 33
    The name "alligator" k52 received clearly by analogy with the "crocodile" mi24.
    Unfortunately, we practically do not see the use of high-precision weapons from the Ka-52 in Ukraine. With the exception of the dumbest videos from the Ministry of Defense in which 3 seconds are allotted for combat work and not a damn thing is clear.
    However, the landing on the hostel, which was covered by the Ka-52, will forever go down in the history of landing operations as an outstanding
  13. +4
    17 June 2022 13: 22
    In general, the Ka-52 was originally, work on a two-seater machine began in 1984, and initially such a helicopter was planned as a reconnaissance vehicle, which would issue target designations for the Ka-50.

    But wasn’t the Ka-50 supposed to initially deal with reconnaissance and target designation for the Ka-60? And only after it became clear that the Ka-60 would not be completed in the next decade, the Kamovites decided to transfer the complex to the base of the serial Ka-50 with the addition of a second crew member.
  14. -2
    17 June 2022 16: 13
    Rest on your laurels. Those who made a decisive contribution to the creation of this Soviet helicopter are no longer alive, and their capital has been mastered. Because they did not imagine that "this is possible." New time...
  15. +4
    17 June 2022 16: 14
    There is a certain potential for strengthening weapons. The focus is on the new Hermes-A missiles, the range of which is expected to be 15-20 km.

    To hit the target, you need to see it and aim. How are things going with this, especially at such a distance? No, unfortunately. request sad
  16. +1
    17 June 2022 17: 35
    In December 2000, an experimental attack group consisting of two Ka-50 helicopters and a Ka-29 target designation helicopter arrived in Chechnya. Ka-50s were first used in combat on January 6, 2001, and subsequently combat operation only confirmed the initially calculated high combat characteristics.

    I remember, I remember, how you “go down from the mountains” to Khankala, so one winds circles over the take-off and the headquarters of the OGV (s) ... As you drive off a couple of tens of kilometers, only 8s and 24s plow the sky ... This, without pretense, it is clear that the running
  17. 0
    17 June 2022 18: 01
    Good material. Thank!
  18. +5
    17 June 2022 18: 48
    Novel, HORRIBLE number of typos. And your warehouse with commas, it seems, the APU was hit from the MLRS. wassat Please read the text!
    1. +2
      17 June 2022 20: 15
      These are not typos, but errors. But Roman and VO do not respond to this criticism. I've been asking for a proofreader for 10 years. sad
  19. exo
    +5
    17 June 2022 20: 11
    I managed to sit in the cockpit of a non-serial, still black and single-seat KA-50 helicopter and get acquainted with its "owners": test pilots. I took their autographs. It was, in my opinion, in 1996, at a helicopter forum in St. Petersburg. I remember it for the rest of my life. And judging by the reports from the operation: it turned out to be more than successful. I'm glad for this car!
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 23: 25
      You can get acquainted with all the systems of the Ka-50 in DCS World and fly it virtually, incl. with the use of the entire complex of weapons. Eagle Dynamics is currently working on the third version of the Ka-50 helicopter. There is no more detailed model available on the commercial market right now.
      1. 0
        26 August 2022 22: 54
        Somehow I decided to give it a try. After watching the YouTube guide on how to start the whole thing, I realized that it is easier for me to build a synchrophasotron.
  20. +3
    17 June 2022 21: 55
    Ka-50 should be revived. Update all electronics. Make it unmanned/optionally manned.
  21. +4
    17 June 2022 22: 07
    I liked the Ka-50 more. He would have AI for the pilot to help, in general, the car would have been fire.
    1. +1
      21 June 2022 06: 19
      Let me remind you: "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world."
      Now the ratio of the elemental base has not changed. What we can do on our own: now - 90nm chips, this is Intel from the early 00s. (Pentium IV and all)
      It is planned to start producing 2030nm chips by 28, the level of Intel 2011
      (How far ahead will Intel get in 8 years?)
      Why all this retreat: AI is extremely voracious, you need to install the most modern hardware.
      Everything points to the fact that the first combat AI will be made by the United States and China. We'll have some assistant, maybe.
      1. 0
        28 August 2022 19: 15
        AI can be limited to a small role, let's only pilot in certain cases, or vice versa to assess the danger, and the pilot decides what to do. I'm not talking about complete control of the intellect. Just unload the pilot.
    2. -1
      26 August 2022 22: 55
      the t-34 was also good, he would have hung a fire.
  22. 0
    18 June 2022 00: 28
    where did the Vikhr missiles in two modifications suddenly disappear from the K-52 arsenal?
  23. 0
    18 June 2022 02: 46
    Talk about Hermes-A, although in reality we see that Ka-52s are flying with NAR units and are firing them from a nose-up "somewhere in that direction."
    Where are the ATGM stocks?
  24. -1
    18 June 2022 03: 01
    Key questions for layout:
    The cockpit - the pilot and the operator interfere with each other's view, when a projectile hits - both are dead and the car is over. The tandem cabin greatly increases the chances, the view is better.
    Cannon: it is not much different from the SPPU, for its guidance the helicopter has to roam. The turret is much more flexible, you can use such a wonderful feature as auto-tracking of the target.
    And here a problem arises: too much recoil, which complicates the shooting from the turret. Option - replacement for 2A72, which has 4-5 times less instantaneous recoil force. Yes, the accuracy is slightly lower, but after all, no one believed the Black Shark movie that it was possible to shoot from 2a42 like a sniper rifle at militants located next to the hostages? In any case, you "pour" on the target.
    One more thing: the cannon needs to be powered through flexible hoses, since placing ammunition boxes on the turret makes it heavier and significantly reduces the ammunition capacity (up to 250 rounds for the Mi-28).
    The placement of the ECO "Boxwood", not the most successful (as well as its spherical layout), it is better to copy the option from Apache, Tiger or Harbin, IMHO.
    NSC - it is not. Whereas Apache and Viper pilots have been using this device (allowing you to completely abandon the HUD) for more than 10 years.


    For one of the foreign tenders, such a Ka-52 concert was worked out, its layout (IMHO) is optimal.
    1. +1
      20 June 2022 15: 50
      This is the Ka-50-2 "Erdogan" project created for the Turkish competition
      1. +1
        21 June 2022 03: 59
        However, this is Ka-50/52 "healthy person".
        Yes, an important plus for the Mi-28 is the presence of devices that shield the engine exhaust well, instead of this misunderstanding in the Alligator.

  25. +2
    20 June 2022 15: 48
    I read Skomorokhov's article and once again I am convinced that the author does not understand what he is writing about.
    There is no overhead radar on the Ka-50/52. Just look at the photos.
    The number of suspended ATGMs "Whirlwind" and "Shturm" - 2x6, and there are different designs of holders, each has its own .. As can be seen in the photographs in the article
    The main armament of the Ka-52 is still the Vikhr-1 ATGM. The laser-guided Ataka ATGM had to be adapted before the start of serial production of the Vikhr-1 ATGM.
    The maximum speed of the Ka-50 is about 310 km / h, 390 km / h - these are the speeds of promising high-speed helicopters currently being created
    etc. etc.
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  27. 0
    24 June 2022 12: 21
    Interesting. Why was my comment removed?
  28. 0
    25 June 2022 10: 01
    After the explanations of the moderators, I want to apologize to the author if I offended him with my post. Unfortunately, I do often forget that I am not arguing with an impersonal point of view, but with a real person on the other side of the screen.
  29. 0
    11 July 2022 12: 48
    Ka-52 is strange somehow. Mainly engaged in ground attack like the Su-25
  30. 0
    19 July 2022 01: 23
    Roman, thank you very much for the wonderful article, the wealth of illustrations and performance characteristics! High bar! 5++!

    The helicopter school of the USSR was advanced, and is evidence that there is no one solution to ANY problem. Even with finger lamps, it is possible to create excellent weapons - which is evidenced by Soviet-era helicopters ... MIG-25 ... Shilka ZSU-23-4 in the air defense of the battery of 12 MS of the Guards Regiment served in the ORNR ...
  31. -1
    9 August 2022 15: 29
    As a pilot of the Ka-26, Ka-27PL, Mi-8T and studied the Ka-50, I think it was a mistake to make the Ka-52, it was possible to install the Ka-50 carrier system on the Ka-29 and fantasize as much as you want about the crew in two man and everything else.
    Ka-50 is the helicopter fighter of all on the battlefield! And two pilots are expensive, automation is riveting, yes riveting, and there are only a few good pilots.
    1. 0
      23 August 2022 19: 50
      At least one pilot has spoken. I met a helicopter pilot on the bus. I asked about the K-50. His answer: too hard to manage. Like, regimental commanders are flying. I thought so: what for are you so needed, since you don’t know how and don’t want to study
  32. 0
    23 August 2022 19: 48
    Pity the car. Probably, the USSR did not sit suckers that in 1987 they made a decision on serialization. Just do not write, please, that you see one pilot cannot control
  33. -1
    2 September 2022 20: 22
    Excellent review. But the author does not mention one thing: Piloting the Ka50-52 is very difficult, much more difficult than piloting the Mi-28. That is, this helicopter cannot be used by an average pilot, and this alone worsens its combat capabilities. In the US, the situation is similar. The Cobra is easier to fly than the Apache, which is why the Marines kept the Cobra. The author gives the absence of a turret for the gun as a boon, saying that the turntable will quickly turn. Yes, it will turn around, the problem is that from a tactical point of view, sometimes a helicopter needs to fly in one direction and shoot in the other. The author says that the rigid mounting of the cannon improved accuracy - perhaps only the TURNING cannon on Apache makes it possible to hit a man-sized target from one and a half kilometers with one projectile. The problem is not that the gun on the turret is "less accurate", but that the gun with the BMP-2 has never been famous for its special accuracy, unlike the Bushmaster and M230
    1. 0
      9 September 2022 22: 23
      The ILC chooses the AN-1 for a completely different reason.
      1. 0
        9 September 2022 22: 57
        The fact that the Cobra is cheaper and easier to maintain and pilot is a huge factor that, among others, also influenced the choice. The ILC generally prefers cheaper and simpler weapons.
        1. 0
          10 September 2022 23: 39
          service compatibility however!!!! here is the requirement for which the ILC is armed with the UH-1 and AH-1.
          They have an indicator of unification of the main elements (fuselage, power plant, avionics) is 85%.
          And this means that the ship needs to keep a smaller range of spare parts and it is faster and easier to maintain and repair these helicopters.
          Well, the fact that the Ah-1 is lighter and simpler than the Ah-64 .. well, there are no words, this also affects the choice.
          1. -1
            10 September 2022 23: 59
            You are absolutely right. To be honest, if I were some kind of country, I would also buy Cobras and not Apaches. You can also hang an over-sleeve radar on a cobra. And the new cobra can shoot helfiers no worse than the Apache.