Questions on the use of AWACS aircraft, reconnaissance and combat control during the NWO in Ukraine

AWACS, helicopters and Mariupol

The most difficult site of hostilities on the territory of Ukraine was the city of Mariupol, especially the territory of the Azovstal plant. The complexity of fighting in urban conditions does not raise questions, but it raises the question of how the armed forces of Ukraine (APU) expected to ensure the evacuation of the leadership of the Azov regiment, as well as, possibly, high-ranking military specialists from Western countries. A certain number of transport helicopters were destroyed, however, according to the open press, one or more helicopters were able to break through at ultra-low altitude.

How could this happen? No, if we talk about anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), then there are no questions - the curvature of the Earth's surface, natural and artificial irregularities allow aviation the enemy to break through at ultra-low altitude. However, the situation changes radically in the presence of airborne early warning aircraft or helicopters (AWACS), potentially capable of detecting small low-flying targets at a distance of several hundred kilometers.

The importance of the intensive use of AWACS aircraft was previously discussed in the material Russian special operation in Ukraine: to dispel the fog of war. There are few AWACS aircraft in Russia - about twenty cars, nevertheless they are, but at the same time, the Ukrainian Air Force (VVS) still exists, and sometimes they carry out daring operations to remove prisoners or strike on Russian territory.

Based on the foregoing, the question arises, how were the Ukrainian Air Force able to support their operations to evacuate prisoners from Mariupol? How could breakthroughs by Ukrainian military aviation be allowed to strike at Russian territory? Why is the Ukrainian Air Force still trying to deliver air strikes against Russian troops?

If there are no reliable data regarding Mariupol, the strikes on Russian territory were single, then it is impossible to deny that the Ukrainian Air Force, at least occasionally, appears in the sky over Ukraine. It is characteristic that in the open press there is no reliable information and video of the use of Russian AWACS aircraft, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that they “landed” one Russian AWACS aircraft.

Yes, AWACS aircraft can be protected by not bringing them to the territory of Ukraine, but the detection range of a fighter-type target for an AWACS A-50 aircraft is about 300 kilometers, for a cruise missile - about 200 kilometers, somewhere at this level there should be a range detection of helicopters, while the range of modifications of the S-300 air defense system available to Ukraine is about 100 km.

Aircraft AWACS A-50. Image by wikipedia.org

Thus, even when patrolling at a distance of 100 kilometers from the front line, an AWACS aircraft will see enemy transport aircraft at a depth of up to 300 kilometers, fighters at a distance of up to 200 kilometers, and helicopters at a distance of up to 100 kilometers, of course, if the characteristics of Russian AWACS aircraft , available in the open press, correspond to reality.

So why are Russian AWACS aircraft inactive, and are they really inactive? There may be several answers.

AWACS aircraft are used, but irregularly, so the Armed Forces of Ukraine use "windows" in their work to use their aviation according to the electronic intelligence (RTR) of Western countries.

The characteristics of Russian AWACS aircraft are lower than indicated in the open press, for example, the detection range of low-flying targets of the "helicopter" type. This may be especially true for non-modernized machines.

A combined option can also be considered, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine use aviation only during combat duty of non-modernized Russian AWACS A-50 aircraft, again, according to the RTR of Western countries. No wonder their strategic reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the Global Hawk type hang around the Crimea all the time.

OTRK and 976 SKIP

One more branch of the AWACS A-50 aircraft family can be mentioned - these are aircraft command and measuring points 976 SKIP (product 976). Based on the Il-76MD, they are designed for telemetry of various types of missiles and warheads. Among other things, these machines can control the flight paths of tested missiles, collect, process and display trajectory information in real time, as well as broadcast via satellite channels.

The tracking range of tested missiles ranges from 400 km for low-altitude to 3000 km for high-flying objects, and with the group use of SKIP, the maximum tracking range exceeds 10 kilometers. Russia has four such aircraft.

Product 976. Image russianplanes.net

There is no detailed information about the capabilities of the 976 product, but it can be assumed that, at least theoretically, they can be used to track the positions of Tochka-U operational-tactical missiles (OTRK). Most recently, these OTRKs caused significant damage to the RF Armed Forces, the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as civilians in the eastern regions of Ukraine, this issue was previously considered in the material Why do Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles hit targets in Russia and the liberated part of Ukraine.

Now there is practically no information on the use of the Tochka-U OTRK - perhaps most of the launchers (PU) have been destroyed, perhaps the stocks of missiles have run out, and most likely both. However, now there is a risk of deliveries to Ukraine of American ATACMS tactical missiles launched from M270 MLRS multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) at a range of up to 300 kilometers.

ATACMS tactical missile launched from the M270 MLRS MLRS. Image by wikipedia.org

There is no information on the use of 976 SKIP aircraft in Ukraine, most likely they were not used there, but the question of using these machines to track launches of operational-tactical missiles, launch OTRK and strike aircraft into positions is quite natural. It is possible that product 976 cannot search for launching missiles in a wide range of coordinates, but based on open data, A-50 AWACS aircraft should be able to solve this task, and then the primary data can potentially be transmitted to 976 SKIP aircraft, which with high accuracy determine the coordinates of the launch point.

However, the issue of using 976 SKIP aircraft is more of a theoretical one - there is too little information in the open press about the real capabilities of these machines. On the other hand, it is impossible not to ask - the OTRK poses too much of a threat to the RF Armed Forces and civilian facilities, and none of the available capabilities to counter this threat should be neglected.

Air reconnaissance of ground targets

As we already said in the above article, the RF Armed Forces have no analogues of the Global Hawk-type strategic reconnaissance UAV. However, there are two Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft, which are conceptually similar to the American E-8 Joint STARS combat control and target designation aircraft. These aircraft, using a synthetic aperture side-scan radar, can detect ground targets at a distance of over 200 kilometers.

E-8 Joint STARS (left) and Tu-214R (right). Image by wikipedia.org

The Tu-214R Russian electronic and optoelectronic reconnaissance aircraft is equipped with a side-looking radar based on an active phased antenna array (AFAR) capable of operating in synthetic aperture mode, with an estimated range of up to 250 kilometers, an MRK-411 passive electronic intelligence complex, capable of detecting radio emission at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, as well as the Fraction optical reconnaissance complex, capable of obtaining high-resolution photo and video images in the visible and infrared range.

If the capabilities of the E-8 Joint STARS and Tu-214R equipment are comparable, then this makes it possible to control territories near the front line without risking the reconnaissance aircraft from the enemy air defense (air defense). For example, to carry out timely detection of trains and convoys with ammunition, equipment and manpower moving towards the front line, and then ensure their destruction by artillery and aircraft.

An image of ground moving targets obtained by the radar of an E-8 JSTARS aircraft superimposed on an aerial photograph. If the Tu-214R can provide something like that, then any clusters of ground targets moving towards the front can be interpreted as reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and destroyed. Image wearethemighty.com

One can imagine how the effectiveness of the resistance of the armed forces of Ukraine (APU) and the morale of the soldiers will be affected by the destruction of most of the reinforcements even on the way to the front line. Nevertheless, judging by the photo and video reports from the combat zone, so far a significant part of the reinforcements, fuel and ammunition reaches the front line.

If information about the episodic use of the Tu-214R in Syria appeared in the open press, then there is no information about the use of these machines in Ukraine.

Potentially, according to the open press, A-50 AWACS aircraft can also track ground targets, but there is a suspicion that in reality they are simply not able to process such a large number of targets, especially simultaneously on the ground.

It is possible that the Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft could supplement the Tu-214ON aircraft previously involved in the Open Skies program. The Open Skies program died a long time, so there is little sense from them now. Their reconnaissance systems, within the framework of previously solved tasks, had limited capabilities dictated by the terms of contracts under the Open Skies program. For example, the resolution of digital cameras was limited at 30 cm, and infrared at 50 cm, the range of side-looking radars is only 50 kilometers (why were they needed at all, what useful information could they give?).

Tu-214OH. Image by wikipedia.org

However, it is likely that these restrictions can be eliminated (or they have already been eliminated), and Tu-214ON aircraft could contribute to the conduct of the Russian special operation in Ukraine.

Conclusions

Information about the conduct of the Russian special operation in Ukraine is presented in an extremely dosed manner. In particular, information on the use of AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type and Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft is not available in open sources, so it can only be judged by indirect signs. And these signs include the relatively free movement of both Ukrainian aviation and ground forces, and not only in the depths of the territory of Ukraine, but also near the front line. The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not run out of ammunition, do not run out of fuel, they receive timely reinforcements with equipment and manpower. At least, this is the impression one gets after studying not only pro-Ukrainian, but even pro-Russian sources of information.

For example, on June 11.06.2022, 25, information about the destroyed Su-29 and MiG-XNUMX aircraft of the enemy appeared again. What does it mean that they go on one flight, they are immediately shot down, then Ukraine gets new planes and new pilots somewhere? Are they suicidal - to fly in one flight without a return? Or do the planes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine still make several successful sorties, until, finally, they fall into the zone of destruction of the Russian air defense systems or meet with the fighters of the Russian Air Force? How can this be possible in a situation where the sky above the front line is controlled by AWACS aircraft? Or is it out of control? Or not all the time? Or do Russian AWACS planes see low-flying targets poorly?

In general, as has been said repeatedly and on completely different resources, the coverage of the Russian special operation is conducted inefficiently - the hushing up of defeats, attempts to hide miscalculations and failures do not add credibility to reports of real victories.

The lack of data from official sources creates an information vacuum, which the supporters of the Russian special operation fill with questions, albeit sometimes not very pleasant, but the problem is that the opponents do not ask questions, but give answers containing information far from in favor of the RF Armed Forces.

One way or another, it can be argued with a high probability that the conduct of the Russian special operation in Ukraine revealed a significant shortage of aviation reconnaissance and control equipment - medium-altitude and strategic reconnaissance UAVs, AWACS aircraft, reconnaissance, control and target designation aircraft. And it is possible that there are problems in terms of the performance characteristics of existing equipment. Perhaps, over time, information on this subject will still gradually leak out from official sources.

Comments

[Vadmir]

In general, as has been said repeatedly and on completely different resources, the coverage of the Russian special operation is conducted inefficiently - the hushing up of defeats, attempts to hide miscalculations and failures do not add credibility to reports of real victories.

I agree, but only information that cannot be hidden should be disclosed. The technical parameters of reconnaissance aircraft and AWACS should be kept as secret as possible.

However, there are two Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft

This is just a ridiculous amount, unable to radically affect anything.
Here is some data from another source:

In service with Russia: 3 A-50s and 6 A-50Us as of 2022. According to Military Balance

There are so few of them that it’s not even funny anymore, rather the opposite. But these machines must be in the air 24 hours, 7 days a week, and not one at a time, in order to cover such a length of the front line.
Our armed forces have been sharpened for years for a small local war, because there are no potential opponents around, only "partners".
After the war in Ukraine, this erroneous concept must be completely changed.

[bayard]

And I was also surprised by the author’s proposal to use aircraft to detect the OTRK (TRK) of the enemy ... designed to control ballistic missile tests.
The author even saw in the above photo WHERE their antennas are located? And in what hemisphere are they capable of observing?
Ballistic targets are very well observed by any ground-based radar, the same S-300 \ S-400 complex. Especially if the S-400 complex is already equipped with a new multifunctional radar from the S-500 complex (it is planned to re-equip all previously deployed divisions with such radars. The ballistic target is therefore ballistic, which soars to a height of several tens (for the fuel dispenser) or hundreds (for the OTRK) of kilometers, and any ground-based radar will easily detect it, and a specialized one (MFRS S-300 \ 400 \ 500) will be able to freely accompany them along the entire trajectory and provide interception.
And AWACS aircraft are needed to detect precisely LOW-FLIGHTING targets, as a rule, against the background of the underlying surface. Well, the total range for all types of targets for such an air radar increases, if its own characteristics allow.
And we have problems precisely with AWACS aircraft / helicopters, the program for the modernization and construction (A-100) of which we failed completely and miserably. And this has been talked about a lot over the past 8 years both in articles and on forums of various resources.
It is practically impossible to ensure constant air watch with such a limited fleet of AWACS aircraft; for this, it is necessary to have 3-4 such aircraft in each theater / front section. And our planes are OLD, and even the boards that have been modernized need periodic maintenance and repair.
That is why the holes in the radar field at low altitudes. And ground-based air defense systems cannot close all these holes.
What can be the solution?
... If the troops really began to receive a new modification of the Su-34 with hanging reconnaissance containers, incl. radar - with a side-looking radar, then you can partly insure them. Their detection range is smaller, but if you arm the on-duty Su-34 with explosive missiles (I don’t know if they are capable of using the RVVSD - R-77 or R-27), then in some cases they could not only detect low-altitude targets, flying along \ behind the front line, but also to effectively hit them without waiting for an escort fighter (or a fighter on duty at the airfield).
Such ersatz-DRLO aircraft could plug holes, in the absence of the A-50 \ A-50U.
There is really nothing more to offer here, except to complete the tests of the A-100 as soon as possible and launch them into a series ... I wrote it and I myself do not believe that this will happen in the coming years ... the habit of failing "Vega" makes itself felt.
And just in this kind of conflict, AWACS helicopters like the same Ka-31 would be very useful. They could be based at front-line airfields and provide coverage of the air situation at low altitudes, coordinating the work of attack and bomber aviation ... but ... for this it is necessary to have an ENOUGH fleet of such helicopters. And we have only two of them, and even those are not the fact that they are serviceable.
Conclusion .
We urgently need to work on the bugs (and oh, how many of them were revealed) and urgently resolve the issue of launching into a series to form an ENOUGH fleet of AWACS aircraft and helicopters.

[svoroponov]

With the range of missiles of the S400-S500 complex, the use of AWACS aircraft is problematic. On this occasion, Westerners have now stopped flying over the territory of Ukraine of these aircraft. Reconnaissance is mainly carried out by satellite constellation. Therefore, the quality and quantity of intelligence information transmitted to the Armed Forces of Ukraine has sharply decreased.
Well, aviation breakthroughs, as for example in Mariupol, may well be with that mess during military operations and the same type of equipment. MANPADS for the most part do not determine the ownership of equipment, and the capture time is limited. And even if you see the target, then you still need to determine that it is an enemy. For a stinger, this is only 30 seconds after the activation of the complex, if the rocket was not launched, then you have a piece of iron in your hands.
In addition, Western countries do not have many AWACS aircraft for each country, but if most of them are accumulated in Europe, then there are already many. Russia cannot pull even half of this amount simply on the basis of economic opportunities, but this is stopped by increasing the range and the possibility of air defense missiles, which is much cheaper but no less effective. The enemy satellite constellation is now also experiencing problems due to Russian electronic countermeasures. The Americans admitted that serious problems periodically arise in certain areas of hostilities.
groupings.
Yes, to be honest, not all the capabilities and characteristics of your weapon need to be shown to the enemy. so that he does not develop countermeasures in a timely manner.

[bayard]

Quote: svoroponov

With the range of missiles of the S400-S500 complex, the use of AWACS aircraft is problematic. On this occasion, Westerners have now stopped flying over the territory of Ukraine of these aircraft.

US AWACS aircraft are now loitering over Poland - along the Ukrainian border, and over Romania. Their range is MUCH greater than that of the A-50 and A-50U - about 650 km. , so they see far away, but not to the theater of operations in the Donbass.
And no one will shoot down NATO AWACS as long as there is no war between us.
It is necessary to get into service the A-100 as soon as possible, which sees at the same range and is much better protected from interference. We need aircraft with hanging containers with side-looking radars and we need to reincarnate the Mi-31 AWACS helicopter on a new element base. And do it as soon as possible. AWACS helicopters are also needed in large numbers for the Fleet (not only for Kuznetsov (4-6 units) and UDC, but also for other ships of the Fleet equipped with a hangar for 2 or more helicopters. They are also needed to illuminate the situation for front-line aviation And also - in sufficient quantities... But we need a new, more advanced and far-sighted radar.

[svoit]

Quote: bayard

about 650 km. , so they see far away, but not to the theater of operations in the Donbass.

But after all, they are not only over Poland, but also over the Black Sea, somewhere near the Crimean bridge they can see something in the Donbass, in particular, the work of our Aerospace Forces and air defense

[bayard]

AWACS do not fly there (over the Black Sea). Reconnaissance UAVs and sometimes RTR aircraft fly there.
And they observe the work of our Aerospace Forces and Air Defense from satellites.

[qQQQ]

Quote: bayard

Such ersatz-DRLO aircraft could plug holes

Why fence a garden when everything is already there. MiG-31 just serves for these purposes. By the way, they are used there.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: qqqq

Why fence a garden when everything is already there. MiG-31 just serves for these purposes

Doesn't serve. And it cannot replace a full-fledged AWACS

[qQQQ]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Doesn't serve. And it cannot replace a full-fledged AWACS

The question was the situational replacement of AWACS with Su-34 aircraft, just for this and Mit-31. I didn’t even talk about the full replacement of AWACS.

[bayard]

Quote: qqqq

Why fence a garden when everything is already there. MiG-31

The MiG-31 has serious drawbacks for such purposes - there is no side-looking radar. He sees targets only in the front hemisphere.

[businessv]

Quote: bayard

We urgently need to work on the bugs (and oh, how many of them were revealed)

Thanks for the sensible post, there would be more such questions and there would be much less questions!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vadmir

Our armed forces have been sharpened for years for a small local war, because there are no potential opponents around, only "partners".

Yeah, especially from 91 to 2008. At least some kind of sharpening, at least for something, began around the 10th year! It is impossible to saturate everything and everyone at once from zero to one hundred percent.

[Genry]

Quote: Vadmir

Here is some data from another source:
In service with Russia: 3 A-50s and 6 A-50Us as of 2022. ...
There are so few of them that it’s not even funny anymore, rather the opposite. But these machines must be in the air 24 hours, 7 days a week, and not one at a time, in order to cover such a length of the front line.

Do not fall for the bullshit of the author. What was there and how much hung - no one knows.
This resource directly serves to encourage "chatter" in order to obtain direct and indirect information - this applies to all commentators.

[DenVB]

Quote: Genry

This resource directly serves to encourage "chatter" in order to obtain direct and indirect information - this applies to all commentators.

I can imagine how analysts in the 16th Directorate of the US Air Force read comments on "VO" and immediately rush to Wikipedia to find out the performance characteristics of all the weapons mentioned.

[alexzeit]

just don’t pretend that you don’t understand what it’s about. Everyone has long known how much intelligence information is obtained from open sources. A simple example, a large group of helicopters passed over my house towards the airfield. Six or seven years ago, I filmed each car and an hour later posted another on a specialized site without even covering up the numbers. Then he found out when the flight was scheduled and would have filmed it again with the same result. And how much such information was dumped on the Internet for the sake of boasting or showing himself knowledgeable? Sea. Now I just waved to the boys from the balcony.

[DenVB]

Quote: alekszeit

Just don't pretend like you don't understand what I'm talking about.

I really did not understand what information can be extracted from the comments on this resource. Is that information noise.

[AdAstra]

And during the exercises, the Armed Forces fought exclusively with some kind of terrorists.

[Lech from Android.]

An image of ground moving targets obtained by the radar of an E-8 JSTARS aircraft superimposed on an aerial photograph. If the Tu-214R can provide something like that, then any clusters of ground targets moving towards the front can be interpreted as reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and destroyed.

Impressive ...
Why not reduce the cost of reconnaissance of targets using cheaper air carriers for reconnaissance equipment ... airships, UAVs, UAVs ... using the A50 and Tu-214R requires a lot of money and labor-intensive costs.

[Vadmir]

Why not reduce the cost of reconnaissance of targets using cheaper airborne reconnaissance equipment ... airships, UAVs, UAVs

1. The cost of electronics in such aircraft is such that the savings from cheaper carriers will be hardly noticeable.
2. The crew inside the aircraft allows you to quickly analyze the situation and make decisions. With UAVs, everything rests on the limitedness of the communication channel, through which it is unthinkable to transfer the necessary amounts of data. So, either the crew or the onboard artificial intelligence, which allows sorting and conducting a primary analysis of the incoming data, in order to transmit to the ground information that is already ready for decision-making in a compressed form. While this is from the realm of fantasy.

[Lech from Android.]

So either the crew or the onboard artificial intelligence that allows you to sort and conduct a primary analysis

Information processing on servers can also be carried out in a remote center ... the main thing is to transfer it there in time from an aircraft.
Therefore, it is cheaper to install purely scanning and transmitting equipment in an aircraft without any computer bells and whistles. It is dangerous to use people in the crew in a round-the-clock mode of operation ... people are weak, tired, attention is scattered, psychological stress is growing, and then ... the car does not have such shortcomings.
Therefore, the future is still objectively behind unmanned reconnaissance vehicles with round-the-clock operation.
In addition, there is always a risk of a plane crash for various reasons ... it's better not to risk people's lives here.

[Vadmir]

the main thing is to transfer it there from the aircraft in time.

So this is the problem. The radio channel has limited bandwidth. For example, until recently we saw drone footage in black and white. This is not at all because they could not put a color camera, but because the black-and-white image is smaller in volume. And there is much more data collected by AWACS and reconnaissance aircraft.
The crew, while sitting on the plane, does not have such restrictions and receives data in real time. It is not for nothing that aircraft are called AWACS (long-range radar and Management). It is from the board of such an aircraft that the operational control of its fighters is carried out and they are guided to the target in real time. From the ground, this cannot be done quickly either.

[TreeSmall]

This is not at all because they could not put a color camera, but because the black-and-white image is smaller in volume.

Strange somehow.
And they have the fact that the bandwidth of the radio channel is different? More broadband?
They have a color picture.
Shl.
Do not mislead people.
There were no color cameras.
Although the color is "heavier" ( min 2 times)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Therefore, the future is still objectively behind unmanned reconnaissance vehicles with round-the-clock operation.

In a very remote place.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Therefore, it is cheaper to install purely scanning and transmitting equipment in an aircraft without any computer bells and whistles.

And computer bells and whistles will not go anywhere - you just have to put them on the ground and ensure the relationship between them. The total cost of the complex, by the way, may even be more expensive than a manned AWACS. Both manned and unmanned aerial vehicles must have the same set of equipment, but an unmanned aerial vehicle needs additional surveillance and transmitting equipment, a ground-based receiving complex, and so on.

Quote: Lech from Android.

It is dangerous to use people in the crew in a round-the-clock mode of operation ...

So no one uses them - 5-7 hours, patrols and replacement with another aircraft.

Quote: Lech from Android.

the machine does not have such shortcomings.

The machine has disadvantages for the same information awareness.

[bayard]

The airship is a very light and clumsy target, moreover, it is very sensitive to wind loads (and at the altitudes of its flight, oh, what winds ... squalls).
The UAV must be large enough and lifting capacity, we DO NOT have such.
And we have such planes ... count on the fingers.
Nobody was preparing for the war, and therefore they did not consider it necessary to have.
Yes, we have practically no aircraft capable of becoming a base for this kind of reconnaissance aircraft. One to one and a half aircraft a year ... it's a shame.
Will conclusions be drawn?

[Vadmir]

The airship is a very light and clumsy target, besides it is very sensitive to wind loads.

But a tethered balloon with radar or radio intelligence equipment may be a good idea. But, of course, in terms of the ability to quickly move to a given area, nothing can be compared with airplanes, even a helicopter.

Will conclusions be drawn?
request

I really hope for it.

[bayard]

Quote: Vadmir

But a tethered balloon with radar or radio intelligence equipment may be a good idea.

So they thought both here and in the USA, they created such ones and tested / exploited for some time in the late 90s - early 00s. We have - in Kamchatka, that's when we encountered a factor of variable and gusty (up to a squall) wind loads. In addition, the direction of the wind at different heights is different (up / down), and even at the same echelon it can change direction very sharply. As a result, the airship winds like a rag.
In short, they suffered, made sure and decided that it was better by plane. After all, the airship needs to be based. In the hangar. The size of a good railway station (for example, like in St. Petersburg) or like a large Gothic cathedral. Moreover, a light hangar is indispensable - it has windage, it will be demolished to the junk during cyclones.
How did the USA do it?
Yes, exactly the same. We deployed such (such?) airships on the east coast for test operation, we were convinced of the same as we were, and at the end of the experiment, the airship was generally torn off the anchor (leash) and it went down with ... winds (because it was falling, and at different echelons the direction and strength of the wind is different), demolishing ground buildings with an anchor and heavy loops of the cable (and cables on it) ... until he himself fell. Delov screwed up - horror, for the inhabitants below it was an apocalypse.
This is where the experiments with such a promising direction ended.
And everyone decided that it’s more accurate by planes - and they can be quickly transferred to the desired theater of operations, and organize refueling, and simply base at any suitable airfield ... without any hangar.

[svoroponov]

Maybe you just need to rivet low-orbit reconnaissance satellites. They can walk at an altitude of 120-150 km. At the same time, calculate in such a way that while one leaves the observation, the next one comes. species intelligence. They, based on the characteristics of their cameras and other electronic means,
are also limited, there are several factors, for example, for observing space and terrain: cloudiness, haze on the horizon, distortion during oblique observation of the terrain, the presence of vegetation (forests), and so on. Yes, and there are limitations and disadvantages in detecting aircraft. These aircraft, in conditions of opposition, are also not ideal.
These boards are primarily engaged in the detection of any electromagnetic radiation and its analysis and location, as well as the behavior

[Monar]

But a tethered balloon with a radar

Yep, I remember. Wind so-so. But on the day of the city, that balloon was bent by 30-40 degrees. 100 meters above the wind was. Well, the men on the winch figured it out and lowered that ball to the ground. Friends (I can’t say for sure here, I haven’t seen it myself) that ball, a little concrete block FBS-3, that held the winch, didn’t drag it away.
Well now imagine. Air balloon with radar on board. What the hell is a tethered balloon?

[Traktoris]

With airplanes and helicopters, a missile with a folded balloon that inflates at the delivery point and launches equipment over the target can easily be compared in terms of the speed of movement (delivery) to a given area!

[max702]

Quote: bayard

Will conclusions be drawn?

Will! They will lay more ships for the fleet! But it will not be possible to increase the production capacity of the aviation industry of the radio-electronic industry, there are no funds!

[bayard]

Quote: max702

But it will not work to increase the production capacity of the aviation industry of the radio-electronic industry, there are no funds!

Who told you such heresy??
The Russian state is choking on funds. And all the last years / decade. But the money is not invested in the economy, development, infrastructure, defense ... they are sterilized in the Western accounts of some "reserve funds".
This year, in the first 5 months alone, the foreign trade surplus amounted to more than 100 billion dollars. By the end of the year it will amount to 250 to 300 billion dollars. Of these, excess profit (excess profit) is at least 150 - 200 billion dollars.
What do you think, out of these 250 billion dollars. can you allocate a "small fraction" for the development / reconstruction of the electronic industry and aircraft manufacturing?
REPEATEDLY !!
To create scientific and industrial potential for FULL import substitution (in absolutely all areas and in full), Russia needs to spend about 400 billion dollars. for the purchase of technologies, machine tools, equipment, the creation of all the necessary infrastructure. If these expenses are planned for 4-5 years, then annually 80-100 billion dollars will have to be spent. We have more than half of this amount left in reserve funds. But even if these reserves are not touched, then by withdrawing 30-40% from the current surplus within 4-5 years, we will solve absolutely ALL problems with dependence on foreign suppliers. After all, we already sell (for candy wrappers, without commodity coverage) 3 (THREE!) times more goods than we receive in return.
We HAVE and ALWAYS HAVE the means for new industrialization and confident development at a pace no lower than China's.
What we did not have all these years of the wildest capitalism was WILL and state sovereignty.
For, according to the words of the Supreme High Command, "a state that is not capable of making independent decisions in the field of domestic, foreign and financial policy cannot be called sovereign. In fact, it is just a colony."
VGK (aka GDP) must be listened to carefully.
Today, some of the restrictions of our colony have been sorted out - a decision has been made to re-monetize the economy to 70% (for all normal countries this figure is 95 - 100%) of GDP, it seems that the notorious "Budget Rule" from the IMF and the World Bank has sunk into oblivion, but ... dependency hasn't gone away.
Look at the footage and make sure - Gref, Nabiulina, Siluanov, Kudrin (!) ... well, who will take them off, it's a ROCK \ MONOLITH \ MONUMENT.
Therefore, there is money, there is a lot of it, a lot, but they manage it ... all the same.
And the discount rate of the Central Bank remains protective for development.
So ... either we have a war (a special operation and collecting lands), or a struggle of "Nanai boys" in a big top ...
Let's wait until the end of summer...

[max702]

You understand the simple thing money is NOT controlled by US! And they won’t let you spend them on anything worthwhile! So it was, so it is, and there is considerable confidence that it will be so .. That's why we were allowed the Olympics, the Black Sea Fleet and other entertainment events .. Build a stadium? Not a problem! For its maintenance will take many times more than the construction, and so in absolutely everything, to build a plant or some kind of infrastructure project? Fig! If there is no encumbrance in the form of some kind of terribly unprofitable event or asset, then nothing! About factories, factories, ships and generally FIG! They didn’t sell Opel, they didn’t sell the Tatra either, the darkness of industries that went bankrupt in the west weren’t sold to us for any money! AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!! Alas, it is not we who decide how to dispose of the money we earn, but completely different people .. Why? And this is the main question of EVERYTHING! We’ll answer, you look at the options and they will appear, but so far nothing has changed and this is a fact ..

[bayard]

Quote: max702

Alas, it is not we who decide how to dispose of the money we earn, but completely different people .. Why? And this is the main question of EVERYTHING! We’ll answer, you look at the options and they will appear, but so far nothing has changed and this is a fact ..

Meanwhile, they are already seriously (on the central channel) talking about the gold backing of the ruble (pegging the exchange rate), the abolition of the "Budget Rule" (that's right - with a capital letter), energy trade is switching to rubles, yuan, rupees. There is an active decoupling from the dollar ... yes, he got rid of us himself (who would have thought about this before).
So some very interesting processes are going on.
And everything goes to the fact that it is up to them to decide how to manage their funds and resources. And the financial system of the dollar cracks and settles.
But for a person who believes in the inviolability of the colonial status of Russia, it is better to postpone the conversation until the end of this year. In the meantime, many processes are just beginning and their result is not obvious to everyone and not in everything.
But this is not at all about the reincarnation of socialism - this will not happen. But the return of sovereignty, territories and spheres of influence will be.

[Monar]

of these 250 billion dollars. can you allocate a "small fraction" for the development / reconstruction of the electronic industry and aircraft manufacturing?

What's the point? Well, I don’t know anyone who can master this money. With result.

[bayard]

I think the GDP is already of the same opinion, therefore the revival of domestic electronics is entrusted to ... Belarus, where they have not lost their competencies, and they steal less, and power does not consist of towers.

[Monar]

You sound beautiful. "They steal, competencies, towers."
The Russian Federation does not have the technology for the production of even Elbrus-16C with its 16 nm. Not in Belarus either. From the word at all. And it is not known when it will appear. Well, if in 3-5 years.

[bayard]

There is a complete set of equipment in the Russian Federation for the full cycle of production of microcircuits in 28 nm. , they are going to transfer this equipment to Belarus, because they themselves could not. They could not make microcircuits, but they ruined and ruined the manufacturer with piece orders. That equipment was still purchased by Chubais through Rusnano.
When there were GDPs with Lukashenka in Vostochny, then they said about it on cameras. And the Belarusians will be able to, their Old Man did not dissolve them like in the Country of Victorious Capitalism.

[Monar]

Yeah. There is. Bought used. And under the process technology of the last decade.
But even on it, the same Elbrus is impossible to make. Even if all the equipment is given to Lukashenka.

[svoroponov]

Reduce the thermal contrast using a special grid, and such a grid already exists and has begun to be applied, and this aircraft will not see anything. In general, there is an impression that the traces of vehicles on the roads are the tracks of the headlights of vehicles on at night, taken with the aperture of the aircraft cameras open, and this, most likely, even before the start of hostilities, something like - the lights of a big city.

[ramzay21]

The special operation generally showed that the rearmament program was either illiterate or completely failed.
Aircraft AWACS can be said no and is not being developed. The A-50 with tube equipment from the 80s is archaic, six A-50Us upgraded to the technologies of the 90s are outdated and there are very few of them, the A-100 has turned into an expensive prodigy with no prospects for mass production. AWACS helicopters Ka-31, although ineffective, but there are also only two of them.
An adequate and quick way out of saturation with AWACS would be the mass purchase of at least the existing Ka-31 AWACS helicopters, but this is not happening either. It would also be reasonable to consider the construction of an AWACS aircraft based on the Tu-204, of which there are more than 50 in storage alone, they already exist, unlike the new Il-76, and they are more economical.

[Vadmir]

The special operation generally showed that the rearmament program was either illiterate or completely failed.

The concept was wrong. A compact army was created for local wars and the fight against "world terrorism". NATO was not perceived as an adversary at all.
But it turned out that the army imprisoned for low-intensity conflicts into a big war is not very capable, even if it is not able to cope with Ukraine in three months.
I am sure that after the war the conclusions will be correct.

[ramzay21]

The concept was wrong. A compact army was created for local wars and the fight against "world terrorism".

The army must be able to face any threat. If the army is not capable, it is only because someone in particular undermined our defenses.

NATO was not perceived as an adversary at all.

We are not at war with NATO, we are at war with a country that does not have a fleet, no modern air force, no modern air defense, no modern tanks and no modern electronic warfare and communications. And NATO would have smashed us long ago.

I am sure that after the war the conclusions will be correct.

People who have not been able to carry out a rearmament program in 20 years will not be able to do anything. Do not build illusions.

[Osipov9391]

With the Tu-204/214, the idea is good and correct. There are almost new planes in storage.
But nobody wanted to do anything. And won't do it anymore.
So in Russia there is no release of the element base for them. Time was killed irrevocably, everything was stolen.
Although in the 2000s, when they were "kind" with the West, there was the possibility of agreements with the same Europe on the purchase of the necessary technologies and factories for the production of the necessary microcircuits. Then it was possible easily. And it would have been all for a long time.
But they scheduled the 2014 Olympics and the 2018 World Cup, allocated fabulous money for this.
And more or less something went to the Army only after 2013, and then, as we see, to a large extent, it’s not a horse’s fodder.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

But nobody wanted to do anything. And won't do it anymore.

The fact that no one wanted to do anything is direct wrecking, but the fact that "they won't do anything" ... it's unlikely, this conflict will last for a long time and it was decided to force the production of our own component base - there is no other way out. The army must be strengthened and re-equipped with everything necessary, and plundering the budget is already risky. And not so much the risk of exposure as the threat of arrest of stolen funds in the West. NO WHERE to steal anymore.
And the equipment for the production of microcircuits in 28 nm was also purchased by Chubais and has not gone away. The launch of this production failed due to the fault of managers and ... customers - SABOTAGE. Now this equipment (as it seems to follow from the conversation between VVP and Lukashenka) will be handed over to Belarusians who know how to work, have not lost their skills and specialists and steal much less.

Quote: Osipov9391

Although in the 2000s, when they were "kind" with the West, there was the possibility of agreements with the same Europe on the purchase of the necessary technologies and factories for the production of the necessary microcircuits.

This was practically ruled out - who needs to monitor this and stop it by one way or another. But time has really been lost.

Quote: Osipov9391

scheduled the 2014 Olympics and the 2018 World Cup, allocated fabulous money for this.

Money for these sports holidays was allocated/taken from reserve funds, from where otherwise it could only be taken for foreign investment. This money has flowed into the domestic economy, sports and infrastructure facilities have appeared for the country, many cities have been put in order and beauty, and ... almost not a penny from the budget. What do you think, due to what, until the end of 2014, there was such rapid economic growth in the country ... and then it stopped?
And today, the hosts at the celebration of Russian (Russian) life realized that no agreements with the West are possible in principle - after they were robbed and robbed like sticky people, they were taken away beyond their strength ... by diligence acquired ... And now they finally understood ( those who understood, and those who did not understand, will repeat the fate of Khodorkovsky) that in order to protect capital and interests, a very good and powerful Roof is needed - the State and its Army.
We need a very strong army.
And balanced.
For the showdown went almost out of bounds.
Therefore, I won’t be surprised that those Tu-214s planned for production will not go to airlines at all, but as a base for much-needed specialized aircraft.
And the transfer of the A-100 system to the Tu-214 base was discussed and even a decision was made a couple of years ago. The equipment has become lighter, it no longer needs a heavy truck, and the Tu-214 will be able to fly further, and it will gobble up less fuel, and it will be more comfortable for the crew / crew to accommodate.
And such a strong delay with the A-100 turned out just because of the refusal to supply us with the US component base and their satellites.

By the way, there was information that the manufacturer of the Tu-214 signed a contract with the developers of the R-579V-300 engine for the development of an engine with a capacity of 214 tf for the Tu-20. , so no one is going to write off the "old man", it seems that for the RF Armed Forces it will become the main base platform for a number of specialized aircraft.

[Osipov9391]

It is impossible to replace all the imported element base - it is necessary to completely redesign the equipment and rewrite the software.
There is a completely different architecture and command system.

The Europeans cooperated with Russia in this regard. True, I don’t know that Crocus Technology produces in Moscow. The memory is very modern like. But where and for what is unknown.
They were willing to cooperate, the same ST.
And taking into account the complete set of equipment and launch systems, Soyuz na Kura sold the necessary components and probably could have made them in Russia.

Now is the time that no country in the world can make all the necessary element base for the entire range of weapons.
Even the United States is placing it in the factories of Southeast Asia. But they cut off these plants for Russia.
Will work for some time on old stocks in Russia.

[bayard]

All former cooperation is already in the past, now only on our own strength. If almost all systems have to be developed anew for a different / own element base, then so be it.
Someone would do...

Quote: Osipov9391

Even the United States is placing it in the factories of Southeast Asia. But they cut off these plants for Russia.

Can Iran help?
Gas turbines are already helping ...

[Osipov9391]

Here is what this French site in Moscow does: http://crocusnano.com/produktyi
But I have never seen these microcircuits live. Haven't experimented with them.
How much production is localized there, I do not presume to judge. Maybe the plates were received from France, maybe everyone did it themselves.

If it exists, then in principle things are not bad for aviation "Black Boxes" and high-performance computers for AWACS and ASW aircraft, including.
The fact is that such microcircuits make it possible to reduce the number of components on the board when it alone performs the function of both RAM and ROM.
Apparently in the West these things passed 10-12 years ago. In Russia, they were not even introduced.

[ramzay21]

Now this equipment (as it seems to follow from the conversation between VVP and Lukashenka) will be handed over to Belarusians who know how to work, have not lost their skills and specialists and steal much less.

If this is so, then this is again a crime and sabotage. Again, no one had the brains to think what would happen if Lukashenka died. But Belarus was not annexed.

This money has flowed into the domestic economy, sports and infrastructure facilities have appeared for the country, many cities have been put in order and beauty, and ... almost not a penny from the budget.

Firstly, they stole more there, otherwise how to explain that the cost of building a stadium in our country turned out to be higher than a much larger stadium in London, although workers in London receive many times higher wages.
Secondly, mostly guest workers worked there, who took the money home.
Thirdly, only stupid and narrow-minded people can build modern sports facilities instead of modern enterprises and modern weapons, and we begin to observe the result of this, and when we run out of semiconductor stocks, everyone will feel it.

almost a penny from the budget.

It was all built with government money. Or do you think it is our oligarchs and officials chipped in?

And today, the hosts at the celebration of Russian (Russian) life realized that no agreements with the West are possible in principle - after they were robbed and robbed like sticky people, they were taken away beyond their strength ... by diligence acquired ... And now they finally understood ( those who understood, and those who did not understand, will repeat the fate of Khodorkovsky) that in order to protect capital and interests, a very good and powerful Roof is needed - the State and its Army.

The oligarchs and officials understood only one thing. It is necessary to negotiate with the West, because they are holding them by the balls, and therefore they have either already betrayed or are in the process of doing so, just listen to what Peskov says. The only way out of this is nationalization, and the removal from power of all those who have close relatives abroad.

Therefore, I won’t be surprised that those Tu-214s planned for production will not go to airlines at all, but as a base for much-needed specialized aircraft.

They will go to the airlines, there will soon be nothing to fly. In order for this to go, people in the leadership need to be changed, the current ones can only steal, they are not able to do something.

And such a strong delay with the A-100 turned out just because of the refusal to supply us with the US component base and their satellites.

The delay appeared, as elsewhere, due to the fact that everyone lives with the desire to steal and not create, because after the introduction of the first sanctions, it was clear to the most stupid that it was necessary to do their own production of all components, including electronics.

[bayard]

Quote: ramzay21

In order for this to go, people in the leadership need to be changed, the current ones can only steal, they are not able to do something.

Do you have someone to suggest in their place?
There, everyone is in power, and the field from competitors not from the system has been cleared for a long time and carefully.

Quote: ramzay21

This money has flowed into the domestic economy, sports and infrastructure facilities have appeared for the country, many cities have been put in order and beauty, and ... almost not a penny from the budget.

Firstly, they stole more there, otherwise how to explain that the cost of building a stadium in our country turned out to be higher than a much larger stadium in London, although workers in London receive many times higher wages.

There is a somewhat conspiratorial point of view, as well as a number of leaks (not at all today), that a fair amount of "stolen money" went through gray schemes to finance a number of critical defense developments, outside of normal banking transactions.
And to understand the meaning of holding and financing those sports games and international summits (for example, ATS in Vladivostok), you need to know that funds were not taken from the budget to finance all that unbridled fun. They were taken from those funds that ordered us to create the IMF and the World Bank, and where all our foreign exchange earnings from hydrocarbon trading were taken away - all of the cost above the designated bar.
We set the bar for the Russian Federation at $40. per barrel, and you sold for 90, 50 dollars. from each barrel goes to such a fund, and this fund is not available to the government of the Russian Federation. Funds can be directed ONLY to non-state - foreign investments. I recommended using them to buy debt obligations of the Fed and other European countries and countries of the "big 7".
But since the latter was not prescribed strictly, they took advantage of this and began to use these funds to finance ... international events - sports, economic, political. And since for the Olympiads, Spartakiads, Universiades, economic forums, world and European championships ... you need to prepare the cities where they will take place.
And the celebration of life began.
But along with sports facilities, stations, hotels, airports, park areas were built and modernized, just cities were updated and transformed.
Vanity Fair ?
Cutting funds by signing exorbitant estimates?
So the more funds are pulled out of the "pods" in this way, the more they can be used for internal needs. Therefore (perhaps) the embezzlers and contractors did not particularly suffer, because they shared what they needed. This is how extra-budgetary funds appeared to finance non-public projects, which then surfaced as unexpectedly finished products.
But the external "masters of Russia" controlled the critically important areas tightly. And the closest attention was paid to preventing the development of its own radio component base. Engine building. Civil aircraft industry. Fleet building. Education ... "Culture".
Everyone sees the result of their efforts today.
Therefore, I will say this - it is still not clear what the government in the Russian Federation wants, what goals it sets in this operation, whether it is ready to work for the benefit of the whole country and the whole society, and most importantly, whether it is capable of it.
Whatever one may say, but the Russian Federation really turned out to be much more stable than the enemy expected, and the losses of the cumulative West are now an order of magnitude / orders of magnitude higher than the troubles of the Russian Federation. And if it is possible for the United States to withstand some of its part from internal and financial shocks, then Europe is unlikely. As a single structure, it may not survive this winter either.
Here is my Donetsk today, almost the whole day they were hollowed out with artillery and MLRS, hard and for a long time, I don’t remember this for a long time. But this is from impotence - due to the inability to resist our corps and the Russian army on the battlefield.
And while the war is going on in the Donbass, the world is gradually changing. It changes against the background and thanks to what is happening in this war and what accompanies it. The empire of the dollar is crumbling, the US satellites are leaving their patron one by one, in Western countries unprecedented inflation and shortages of goods, food, economic recession, closure of production ...
And in Russia, the ruble is getting stronger, rockets, commodity abundance (against the background of problems in Western countries) do not end, and at the same time it wages a war with an extremely limited outfit of forces.
So they started talking about the "gold content of the ruble", and seriously - on the central channels.
Gas was exported for rubles, followed by grain, and then oil and coal ... And instead of European buyers, who bargained for every cent and passed a bunch of laws to bring down prices, Asian buyers appeared and immediately bought everything. And there is almost a fight for oil - everyone wants more, even if according to gray schemes.

I do not need to be convinced that direct enemies and agents of influence are in power in the dark ... the question is where the whole course of events leads. And the prospects are very interesting.
And what we are considering are only special cases of a large and complex picture.

Quote: ramzay21

The only way out of this is nationalization,

I will answer with the words of Mikhail Khazin, respected by me: "For starters, let's nationalize the banking sector - the entire (!), And then you will see that the complete nationalization of industry and the economy as a whole is not at all necessary. When the largest profit in the entire production process is received not at all by the manufacturer ( it’s not even about a worker, today it’s heresy), but quite a banker, then it’s enough to exclude the banking system from the cycle of social production, and the vast majority of problems will resolve themselves ".
It is necessary to nationalize the entire banking sector, and not just the Central Bank (a branch of the IMF and the World Bank). By abolishing the very concept of "central bank" and returning the term State Bank, and its subsidiaries by industry with branches in all cities and villages. Set the discount rate at 1 - 1,5 - 2% and start investing in your own economy.
Of course, no foreign banks should have access to our financial market.
And in several stages in a year or two to reduce, and then completely abolish VAT.
Surprised?
But this is a monstrous tax that has been choking our economy for 30+ years.
- But how to fill the budget, if VAT is almost a third of all revenues? - you ask .
- Yes, and fill it - from all other budget income items. And this is enough to cover it, because today the budget of the Russian Federation is terribly and chronically surplus! And this is even without taking into account the same one - the "Budget Rule", which skimmed all the cream from income and sterilized them in "reserve funds", which were mostly stolen from us today. The budget will be balanced even without VAT, especially if the budget rule disappears from our lives forever.
Now imagine the synergistic effect of the proposed:
- VAT has been canceled, from which all manufacturers will not just start up, but JUMP ... yes, just everything, goods will immediately fall in price, which will increase sales / commodity turnover, which will again stimulate manufacturers and trade ...
- Loans will not only become available, they will become completely unburdensome, especially for enterprises with a high redistribution and a high level of cooperation ... Again, the final product is getting cheaper ... and then VAT was first reduced in a couple of stages, and then completely canceled .
Where does all this lead?
To a sharp growth of the economy as a whole, and the well-being of the population in particular. And the higher the purchasing power of the population, the greater the volume of trade and the speed of this turnover ...
What do you think , what rates of economic growth are possible in this case ?
If this happens, China will still envy us.
And mind you - not a word about the nationalization of enterprises and other assets.
But this is another aspect and it should be considered separately, with examples and with the criminal code in hand.
And believe me - far from every time the state is the best owner and head of production. Especially if these are not basic industries and not the defense sector.

[ramzay21]

Do you have someone to suggest in their place?

Yes there is. You can put in the leadership of anyone with a specialized education who has now volunteered, at least they definitely love their homeland.

There is a somewhat conspiratorial point of view, as well as a number of leaks (not at all today), that a fair amount of "stolen money" went through gray schemes to finance a number of critical defense developments, outside of normal banking transactions.

You will go to Podmoyamye, Londongrad or Cyprus, where you will find those who earned money at the Olympiads and championships and see where the money really went.
All developments of our military-industrial complex are financed from the budget, and there are closed articles for this, and judging by what we see in the special operation, most of the money was wasted and stolen.
And the version voiced by you is for those who want to believe that everything is fine with us, despite the reality.

And to understand the meaning of holding and financing those sports games and international summits (for example, ATS in Vladivostok), you need to know that funds were not taken from the budget to finance all that unbridled fun. They were taken from those funds that ordered us to create the IMF and the World Bank, and where all our foreign exchange earnings from hydrocarbon trading were taken away - all of the cost above the designated bar.

You generally misunderstand the meaning of funds and their origin.
All funds, gold and foreign exchange reserves (GFR), the Development Fund all belong to the state, the state’s money is there, this is money set aside for a rainy day, all countries of the world have such funds, even China, such funds were in the USSR. Another thing is that they use this money absolutely illiterately, as well as everyone in our country.

They set the bar for the Russian Federation at $40. per barrel, and you sold for 90, 50 dollars. from each barrel goes to such a fund, and this fund is not available to the government of the Russian Federation.

And this is true for the current system. The government must form a budget from the minimum income in order to live within its means. From these funds, among other things, the creation of the MS-21 and PD-14 is financed.

But the external "masters of Russia" controlled the critically important areas tightly

No need to invent anything, our country has had one master for the last 22 years - Putin. There is no need to blame anyone for it, all we have come to is his fault completely. It was his team that closed the factories and said that we do not need factories, we will buy everything. Who prevented, instead of closing the ZiL, to update production there and start producing the modern trucks we need? Who prevented, instead of demolishing the Saratov aircraft plant, starting production on it, for example, Il-114? Who prevented us from buying semiconductor manufacturing equipment and installing it in our many factories?
In our country, there were no attempts to build at least something resembling a system, there were no plans to re-equip production, there was only chatter and window dressing in public, but in reality only embezzlement and sawing, which no one fought against. And it's entirely Putin's fault.

Here is my Donetsk today, almost the whole day they were hollowed out with artillery and MLRS, hard and for a long time, I don’t remember this for a long time.

Yes, I saw it, it's terrible.

The empire of the dollar is crumbling, the US satellites are leaving their patron one by one, in Western countries unprecedented inflation and shortages of goods, food, economic recession, closure of production ..

Don't wishful thinking. Nothing threatens the dollar, the United States, or their allies. They simply have a recession and it will hit us much harder, by the New Year everyone will feel it.

And in Russia the ruble is getting stronger, rockets do not end, commodity abundance

The strengthening of the ruble is very bad in the first place and not for long in the second. About abundance, you turned it down, of course. Car dealerships are empty, there are no spare parts, and this is only about cars.

I will answer with the words of Mikhail Khazin, respected by me: "To begin with, let's nationalize the banking sector - the entire (!), And then you will see that the complete nationalization of industry and the economy as a whole is not at all necessary. When the largest profit in the entire production process is received not at all by the manufacturer

The nationalization of banks will give a result, but the mining industry is the basis for us, this industry gives more money than our budget, which only receives a quarter, as no banks earn.

It is necessary to nationalize the entire banking sector, and not just the Central Bank (a branch of the IMF and the World Bank). By abolishing the very concept of "central bank" and returning the term State Bank, and its subsidiaries by industry with branches in all cities and villages.

This is game. The Central Bank has NEVER been owned or controlled by any IMF and WB, and for this it is enough to read the Law on the Central Bank instead of idiots writing illiterate nonsense. We have a two-tier banking system, like all over the world, and no bank can and should not play the role of the Central Bank. We need state-owned systemically important banks to dominate the banking sector.

And in several stages in a year or two to reduce, and then completely abolish VAT

VAT should be canceled after the nationalization of the mining and processing sectors, as well as all heavy engineering, the military-industrial complex, large banks, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding and engine building, as well as railway transport, air transport and sea transport.

[ramzay21]

And believe me - far from every time the state is the best owner and head of production. Especially if these are not basic industries and not the defense sector

This bike was invented by those who robbed us and who protect the loot.
The question of the ownership of large enterprises is secondary to the results, only the competence, responsibility and interest of the management and employees, as well as the encouragement of initiative, are important.
Take AZLK for example. It was built by the state for the production of the pre-war Opel, and less than ten years later, the designers of the state enterprise developed and began production of their Moskvich model, which in many ways was not inferior to the modern BMW and was successfully sold abroad, including in Britain. Years passed, the enterprise became inefficient, and thinking that this would help it, like many other plants, was privatized.
The new owners, instead of setting up the production of modern models, simply sold kindergartens, sanatoriums and dispensaries, and then the old equipment for scrap, and some of the workshops were demolished and sold plots, and the other part was leased.
What has been built without state property over 30 years in our country and what type of property is more effective?

[bayard]

These are emotions. I can also tell you about the factories of my city - unique factories that have disappeared. One produced CNC machines and any, just any technical equipment - give us drawings and you will get everything in the best possible way. Completed turnkey plants, even rolling mills, even a machine of any complexity. The equipment was unique, the specialists were also unique. He supplied equipment to 37 countries of the world and his machines are still working today. There is no factory. Even the workshops were dismantled. And they built the plant in the mid-70s, it was brand new, huge, had its own training base - two vocational schools trained workers for it.
And now what?
It was a betrayal at the highest government level, and such enterprises were destroyed on the direct orders of the United States, and their controllers were present there, supervising the liquidation, although it had been going on for more than one year.
Another plant generally produced the most advanced ICBMs in the world for that (and perhaps even today), many technologies were developed on it, which were then used in Topol, Yarsy ... had the best test in the country (USSR) stand - at its training ground, almost all rocket engines of the Union were tested ... He was gone at all ... in a couple of years. They took everything out, looted it ... The former director, who built and launched it from scratch, had already retired and came to the factory on his birthday to look ... looked ... returned home and died.
And those who destroyed the Great Country for the sake of their own enrichment ... will not give up the captured without a fight. They will burn in a war - civil, internecine ... or rather, they will simply destroy anyone who encroaches on their seized property.
So what are you calling for?
And what could be the way out of this?
Nationalization according to Lenin? No ransom or compensation?
Yes, there is simply no one to do it - there is no such force in the fields of Russia, nor on the wreckage of the Union. And people don't need it - they don't want it.
So what's the way out?
So that there is less blood, measures (for the People) are softer and so that the result is positive ..?
And so it turns out that the only reasonable way for Russia is a "revolution from above." Only not socialist - it will not be and people are not ready. And the revolution is through the acquisition of lost sovereignty.
And there is no need to tell that "in our country, Putin decides everything." Better remember how it was broken before the football championship for pension reform. He swore throughout his entire previous presidential term / terms that he would never allow this.
So what ?
Broke.
So who is the boss in our country?
Who broke, and where did the team come from?
What was blackmailed by?
After all, this is such a loss of face that to this day he cannot be washed off.
And the introduction of literally idiotic taxes "on wild plants" ???
Where did such a wonderful decision come from?
And also the thought and the Senate, with what foam at the mouth, proved that this must certainly be introduced, because this is correct and "normal" !!
And the installation instead of the usual, from Soviet times installed water columns ... paid columns with payment for water through a card !!!
Who invented all these miracles and where did they send them from??
Putin?
Does he need it?
Collect more people's anger on your head?
And for what purpose was this done? Not enough money in the budget?
No - the budget is choking on money! Despite the sterilization of huge funds in various "funds", even the existing budget is almost never fully utilized, sometimes the "saved funds" amount to TRILLION rubles! And they are even proud of it.
So why are they doing all this?
And this wonderful "pandemic" when for 2 years they scoffed at the people just as best they could, it was impossible to even imagine such a mockery before ...
What was that for?
Also "business"?
Frankly, I don’t have much confidence in the existing hands-on management, but I don’t see an alternative today either. If suddenly, by some miracle, the authorities manage to cleanse themselves, it will be a great boon for the country.
But today there is a war.
And in a war, wanting defeat for your government (whatever it is), this is unacceptable. The very instinct of self-preservation will force them to choose the right decisions and rely on the people, and not on corrupt and sold oligarchs, "intelligentsia" (mostly rotten as always) and other buffoons.
And the government is really trying to flirt with the people.
Here they introduced / returned the title "Mother Heroine" introduced by Stalin ... even the "pioneers" seem to be trying to recreate. All this often looks stupid and insincere, but she (the authorities) is trying to find some loopholes to return the people's trust. After all, it was not for nothing that Mishustin at the meeting said to the GDP "But the people do not believe us."
But in war you can't do that.
It is necessary that you not only "trust", but believe.
And now, in the course of the special operation itself, which was conceived in a completely different way - as assistance to a coup under an agreement, the plans and final goals are changing. And they are changing exactly in the vein that the People have been waiting for so long. I waited so long that I lost faith.
And as for the economy, nationalization, and so on ... this is how it goes - many enterprises of foreign owners are bought out by the state. Tinkov's bank was squeezed out for three kopecks. And in most energy and mining companies, the state has a controlling or blocking stake.
And one more thing (I wrote to you at length about this, but the comment flew off, I won’t repeat it), the complete nationalization of the ENTIRE banking sector was undertaken back in 2005.
unsuccessful .
The person appointed to carry out this reform was killed.
And according to that reform (immediately after the repayment of external debts by Russia), all - absolutely all commercial banks had to lose their licenses. And several hundred still lost. And then they killed him. A few days after the announcement of the goals of this reform.
The customer of the murder was identified and sentenced ... he was deprived of the license of five of his banks ... I knew this banker's classmates from Moscow State University.
Then this reform was quickly and quietly curtailed, but international banks pledged to lend to the Russian economy. This has stopped since 2014.
and now we are talking about the gold content of the ruble for the stability of the exchange rate and the withdrawal of the ruble into international reserve currencies.
Bulldog fights under the carpets of the towers continue, but certain prospects have appeared for the country (and possibly people).
And I know about the funds, one of them - the very first, to save the Russian oil industry from the collapse, was created according to my program (officially the authorship of another is a person I respect very much, a scientist, a specialist in his field).
and to understand the nature of money, read the book "After the victory of the Slavophiles" by Sergei Sharapov, edited by O.A. Platonov. It will be helpful and educational.
By the way, at the presentation of that book, it was decided to create the All-Russian Economic Society named after Sergei Sharapov. I was at that presentation and voted for the creation of this society.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: ramzay21

We are not at war with NATO, we are at war with a country that does not have a fleet, no modern air force, no modern air defense, no modern tanks and no modern electronic warfare and communications. And NATO would have smashed us long ago.

We're conducting a ground operation without hitting civilians and critical infrastructure. Whatever modern weapons are, they will not help. Ground operations are carried out for a long time and scrupulously, especially on such a large territory. In the event of a war with NATO, no one will protect the civilian population and infrastructure, they will use nuclear weapons, etc., etc.

[AdAstra]

Well, why are you so tough with the regular viewers of the Zvezda TV channel, they are also people and they also have nerves, what if their health is shaken? You were told "after the war, conclusions will be drawn. True, they probably also said after August 2008 and after some setbacks in Syria. And I'm always wondering after all these" after "after what kind of war will conclusions be drawn?

[svoit]

Quote: Vadmir

The concept was wrong.

The concept was correct, at least in such conflicts it’s not quite possible to fall in love with everything, there were still no funds for big wars, Russia is by no means the USSR

[highlight]

Quote: Vadmir

The concept was wrong. A compact army was created for local wars and the fight against "world terrorism". NATO was not perceived as an adversary at all.

It's just a disaster. "May decrees" only in the army, when the government and the president cannot even save what was not done by them. Due to the landslide reduction, the appearance of development is created, but then covid / war comes and the healthcare or defense system crumbles like a house of cards.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ramzay21

AWACS helicopters Ka-31, although ineffective, but there are also only two of them.

Moreover, in 2020 it was reported that both Ka-31s went to the Black Sea - they were transferred to the 318th Osmap MA Black Sea Fleet.

As the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on March 13, 2020, the pilots of the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet began training flights on the Ka-31R helicopter.

Earlier, on February 26, 2020, the press service of the Southern Military District reported that the crew of the Ka-31R reconnaissance helicopter from the naval aviation and air defense of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) performed practical flights from the deck of the Admiral Makarov frigate in the Black Sea.

© bmpd
And you forgot about another model of a radar carrier based on the Ka-27 - at least two Ka-31SV radar reconnaissance helicopters, aka Ka-35, aka 23D2. The car passed the GOS in 2015, one of the helicopters was lit up in Syria in 2016.

This is not AWACS, but JSTARS "at the minimum".

The 23D2 helicopter is designed for ground-based radar reconnaissance, and, unlike the Ka-31, it is equipped with the L381 ground-based radio reconnaissance complex developed by the Federal Research and Production Center Nizhny Novgorod Research Institute of Radio Engineering (NIIRT), the basis of the complex is the 15Ts100.10 radar. ten.

© bmpd

[riwas]

In particular, information on the use of AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type and Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft is not available in open sources, so it can only be judged by indirect signs.

Some questions and no answers.

[cmax]

Quote: riwas

In particular, information on the use of AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type and Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft is not available in open sources, so it can only be judged by indirect signs.

Some questions and no answers.

The answer is that unfortunately there is nothing modern in the Russian army at the present time (with the exception of the new dress uniform), oh yes - cruise missiles. Western analysts have already drawn conclusions about them.............
The fact that during the three months of the war Russia was unable to destroy the military infrastructure of Ukraine, despite the massive use of cruise missiles, speaks of their low quality.
“Russian missiles are both of insufficient quality and [insufficiently] effective. Periodically, they do not launch or explode during the flight, and if they fly, they do not hit the required target due to their insufficient accuracy. Poor accuracy in general is the scourge of the entire rocket industry Russia," the expert believes.
In addition, a cruise missile strike may not always destroy an infrastructure, examples indicate that destroyed bridges can in some cases be restored, and factories can continue to operate even after a missile strike, and the damage is not always irreparable.
Aviation would be better able to destroy such objects, but Russian pilots do not fly far beyond the front line, fearing Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners .........

All the same weapons of the Afghan war, all the same generals' hats, all the same arrogance of the leadership in the army, that it knows everything (the result is a complete failure in drones, the almost complete absence of normal communications on the battlefield). The level of leadership of the armed forces is shown by the situational command center in the center of Moscow, where, as in the good old days, planes and tanks are moved by planes and tanks for the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. In principle, based on the results of three months of the war, putting on the scales all the pros and cons, we can say that the war is by and large lost, all these captures of some settlements, at the cost of a lot of blood, do not change the picture. This is only emphasized by the results of the last 20-year period of building the armed forces, such as the lack of responsibility for theft and cutting the funds allocated for the modernization of the army (all sorts of useless prodigy "Poseidons" instead of the active protection troops really need for armored vehicles, drones, communications equipment, surveillance equipment and so on). So, the results of the operation are sad and most likely the correct conclusions will not be drawn. All these generals, as they were in the Ministry of Defense, will continue to be.

[Vadmir]

All these generals, as they were in the Ministry of Defense, will continue to be.

And the generals are always preparing for the last war. I hope that after the Ukrainian war they will start preparing for the same war, and this is already not bad. Not the level of NATO, of course, but not the level of Afghanistan in the eighties.

[Alexandre]

Let's clarify: Russian generals.

[ban]

Periodically, they do not launch or explode during the flight, and if they reach, they do not hit the required target due to their insufficient accuracy. Weak hitting accuracy in general is the scourge of the entire Russian missile industry," the expert believes.

"Expert" Ukrainian?
In fact, the KR is just a flying 500-kg bomb, and not a wunderwaffe at all. Another thing is that the losers from the General Staff use them for other purposes ...

In principle, based on the results of three months of the war, putting on the scales all the pros and cons, we can say that the war is by and large lost

But this is hardly, dear Ukrainian

[cmax]

Quote: ban

But this is hardly, dear Ukrainian

I am a citizen of the USSR, I live in Belarus and always support Russia. And now, too, I have no doubt about the need for an operation, it would be worse further. But without drawing conclusions about the past, it is impossible to win in the future. And I was very struck by the unpreparedness of the Russian army for a modern war (in technical terms).

[ban]

Then please excuse me.

And as for unpreparedness - Russia, unfortunately, is never ready. But!!! We harness slowly, but then we go fast.

Just now, Yuri Apukhtin wrote golden words here:

Russia has shown that it can cope with all the tasks even in complete isolation, but for this it is necessary to change the country's political system and its priorities.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: cmax

The fact that during the three months of the war Russia was unable to destroy the military infrastructure of Ukraine, despite the massive use of cruise missiles, speaks of their low quality.

No. This only means that the RF Armed Forces are limited "from above" and cannot use the tactics of destroying military infrastructure, proven by Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and other conflicts - "bomb everything indiscriminately, and then CNN will declare everything they hit as military installations".
If we worked according to proven recipes, all the media would have already torn about the barbaric cruelty and inhumanity of the Russian barbarians, who left the inhabitants of Kyiv and other large cities without electricity, water, communications, food, etc.

Quote: cmax

“Russian missiles are both of insufficient quality and [insufficiently] effective. Periodically, they do not launch or explode during the flight, and if they fly, they do not hit the required target due to their insufficient accuracy. Poor accuracy in general is the scourge of the entire rocket industry Russia," the expert believes.

This expert is Maxim Starchak. Research Fellow at the Center for International and Defense Policy at Queens University (Canada), Deputy Executive Editor of the Eurasian Security Studies journal (Japan), visiting fellow at the Institute of Political Studies of the Polish Academy of Sciences.

[Alexandre]

Even if the army of the Russian Federation, instead of hostilities, engages in humanitarian assistance, those about whom you write will accuse it of barbarism. Most likely, the question is not in philanthropy, but in the inability to qualitatively destroy targets, low accuracy.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Alexandre

Even if the army of the Russian Federation, instead of hostilities, engages in humanitarian assistance, those about whom you write will accuse it of barbarism.

I’m afraid that even in our country they won’t understand a little if, declaring the purpose of the operation to be denitification, we start indiscriminately spreading rot on civilians throughout Ukraine. Especially considering the many years of propaganda about "fraternal people, deceived by insidious Nazis."
For normal work on the infrastructure, you must first conduct an internal propaganda campaign in the style of the United States - with the dehumanization of the enemy "as a whole" and accusing him of all conceivable crimes.

[AdAstra]

Oh, and who made it out of every iron about the fraternal people, is it really the damned NATO? Well, yes, civilians on the outskirts, especially in the west, need to be protected, but civilians from the DPR and the Russian Federation, and you don’t need your own soldiers either. Is it true?

[Alexey RA]

Quote from AdAstra

Oh, and who made it out of every iron about the fraternal people, is it really the damned NATO? Well, yes, civilians on the outskirts, especially in the west, need to be protected, but civilians from the DPR and the Russian Federation, and you don’t need your own soldiers either. Is it true?

Sarcasm to the wrong address - my position on brotherhood and small adequate and not guilty of anything completely coincides with the position of Comrade Mekhlis regarding class solidarity and pro-Soviet sentiments among the soldiers of foreign armies, expressed by him in 1940.
It was not in vain that I wrote about many years of propaganda, when instead of yourself, all by yourself our media poured fairy tales into our ears about the pro-Russian Ukrainian people suffering without exception, on which a disaster suddenly fell from somewhere in the form of an evil Bandera government - and well, to oppress it. And Russia, as always, must free the poor suffering UIA - for which those demand money and then send it away will be incredibly grateful.
And after all, many times we are already stepping on this rake of the next "brothers".

[nickname7]

cannot use the tactics of destroying military infrastructure, proven by Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and other conflicts - "bomb everything indiscriminately,

В bombard indiscriminately how in Iraq it may really not be necessary, but to bombard it is necessary to support the troops, and it is also necessary to use aircraft for free hunting for supply columns, for which, in fact, air supremacy is needed. But the technical backwardness in the field of high-precision bombs, unfortunately, does not allow the use of aircraft. But the word "space" was added to the name of the Air Force, but it is not clear why aviation could grow on the moon.
They wrote that the accurate bombing system of the Russian Air Force is an analogue of high-precision Western systems, but cheaper. They say Westerners are fools, throwing money away. Subsequently, it seemed that the cheap Russian system is an ersatz and can only be used from low altitudes where the stingers finish off and that's it, the space air force instantly became an asphalt air force, because they are afraid to fly. Air supremacy ordered a long life.
NATO planes can bomb both indiscriminately and indiscriminately, because they have real high-precision bombing that is applied from 7 km. where the stinger does not reach, this is really air supremacy.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nickname7

and it is also necessary to use aircraft for free hunting for supply columns, for which, in fact, air supremacy is needed.

It is not air supremacy that is needed here, but the suppression of air defense. For free hunting is when the striker has to look for targets with his avionics, so he is forced to be above the territory of the enemy in his air defense zone. And the WTO will not help here - with a free hunt, the carrier will still have to crawl under fire.

Quote: nickname7

But the word "space" was added to the name of the Air Force, it is not clear why aviation could really grow on the moon.

Everything is simpler - this is the result of another reform, when the Air Force and the Aerospace Defense Forces were merged. Received VKS.
Poor VVKO - in their short history, they are perhaps the champions of the Armed Forces in mergers, divisions and renaming.

Quote: nickname7

Subsequently, it seemed that the cheap Russian system is an ersatz and can only be used from low altitudes where the stingers finish off and that's it

The problem is different. "Hephaestus" can work normally from medium heights. But at these heights, there is still a threat from air defense systems, up to the S-300. The Ukrainian air defense still has something to get even at an altitude of 7 km or more - otherwise the "platypuses" would have frolicked in the Zapadenshchina long ago.
The second problem of "Hephaestus" is that cast iron is thrown with its help. Yes, it throws more accurately than with the previous generation of sights, but still, the carrier has to fly up to the target itself, where the air defense concentration is usually maximum, to drop and leave.

Quote: nickname7

NATO planes can bomb both indiscriminately and indiscriminately, because they have real high-precision bombing that is applied from 7 km. where the stinger does not reach, this is really air supremacy.

It's not about height, it's about distance. The same JDAM can be thrown because of the radius of most of the object air defense systems.

[Traktoris]

Only is such bombing orders of magnitude more expensive, or does anyone doubt it?

[svoit]

Quote: cmax

The fact that during the three months of the war Russia was unable to destroy the military infrastructure of Ukraine

The available funds are too few for the existing purposes, Ukraine is not Serbia and Montenegro of the late 90s, and Russia is not NATO

[Mavrikiy]

The lack of data from official sources creates an information vacuum,

Even if you go to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and ask for it in the SVO, you will still complain about the lack of information, because, every cricket, know your hearth.

[Bongo]

The topic is very specific, but for a number of points it is quite obvious that the author undertook to write about what he understands very poorly.
It's better not to post anything at all than this.

[Salomon]

"Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side"
Shota Rustaveli
This is for the author

[cmax]

Quote: Bongo

The topic is very specific, but for a number of points it is quite obvious that the author undertook to write about what he understands very poorly.
It's better not to post anything at all than this.

Yes, the topic is specific, but you probably won’t mind that on the 109th day of the operation, Ukrainian artillery is still shelling Donetsk and other cities, civilians are dying, just like before February 24th. Can you write about "that" ..... Why !!!

[Bongo]

Quote: cmax

Can you write about "that" ..... Why !!!

I have already answered in the comments, but I will repeat especially for you: until the hostilities end and the parties come to a lasting agreement, I do not consider it possible for myself to publicly consider or comment on the weapons systems, tactics and combat techniques used by our armed forces.

[cmax]

Quote: Bongo

Quote: cmax

Can you write about "that" ..... Why !!!

I have already answered in the comments, but I will repeat especially for you: until the hostilities end and the parties come to a lasting agreement, I do not consider it possible for myself to publicly consider or comment on the weapons systems, tactics and combat techniques used by our armed forces.

You know, to the relatives of those who are buried in Donetsk, Gorlovka every day, your words are like a balm to their souls. Everything fell into place. Do you happen to announce the date of the end of hostilities and the completion of the shelling of Donetsk?

[Bongo]

Quote: cmax

You know, to the relatives of those who are buried in Donetsk, Gorlovka every day, your words are like a balm to their souls. Everything fell into place. Do you happen to announce the date of the end of hostilities and the completion of the shelling of Donetsk?

Do you want to make a fuss? I am not involved in this.

[cmax]

Quote: Bongo

Do you want to make a fuss? I am not involved in this.

I agree, from the latest report on the DPR
“Over the past day, the enemy fired more than two hundred and fifty shells and mines from artillery systems with a caliber of 152 and 122 mm, a BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket system, as well as 120 and 82 mm mortars,” the People’s Militia of the DPR said in a statement. in the Telegram channel.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: cmax

You know, to the relatives of those who are buried in Donetsk, Gorlovka every day, your words are like a balm to their souls.

But what if Sergey expresses his opinion, something will change or what? And keep in mind that it is one thing when such things are written by non-professionals, like me or Mitrofanov - we know only well-known and publicly available things. But the "debriefing" from the pros can really give the enemy information that he did not own

[Alexandre]

Those. read and comment on RIA Novosti. Which is basically what you can do.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: bayard

The UAV must be large enough and lifting capacity, we DO NOT have such.

Poorly...
now it has also become clear that the advanced units at the platoon level are insufficiently provided with small drones with IR cameras and a secure radio channel ... a very effective thing.
Our fighters use Chinese drones brought in by volunteers... a disgrace to our army.
There are so many bad little things.
One saves that the leadership has made the right bet on artillery, grinding the enemy's manpower at a distance ... which dramatically reduces losses in our troops.
Airships can be used at a safe distance from the front line, the winds are compensated by the propulsion systems on the airship ... in general, this issue still needs to be studied in detail.

[Traktoris]

airships can be hung anywhere, over any territory. Let's say if you hang an airship at an altitude of more than 25 km, then modern aviation will not seem like an easy target. On an airship with its unmeasured carrying capacity, protection systems can be installed. Well, the main thing in any weapon is the opposition of the price of an attacking weapon to the price of a defending weapon. If the cost of the airship is 1 million rubles and the price of its destruction is 10 million, then this will be a victory. And if on an airship (again, with its carrying capacity, install a one-time reconnaissance equipment rescue system (return of equipment to the starting point), then this will be a super prodigy waffle !!!

[41st region]

I wonder what kind of "prisoners" were evacuated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Mariupol? Russian? DNR-LNR? I didn't have to hear about it.
Or did they take out their APU on turntables? Then what are these prisoners?

[svoit]

Quote: 41st region

I wonder what kind of "prisoners" were evacuated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Mariupol?

This was not widely covered, in one helicopter shot down over land there were dead, who they were, no one really explained, some were wounded, there could be prisoners.
the helicopter that was shot down over the sea is generally little information about who was there, no one was interested. There were about 7 flights in total.
Flight coverage emphasized the evacuation of commanders and mercenaries in order to undermine morale

[frog]

There were about 7 flights in total.

But no more? Although ... "Total" - from what to what?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Vadmir

The crew, while sitting on the plane, does not have such restrictions.

Everything is so ... but you will have to put up with the likelihood of the death of the crew due to an enemy air defense attack or some kind of plane crash.

[Vadmir]

due to enemy air defense attacks

The air radar sees much further than the ground one, which allows the AWACS aircraft not to enter the ground air defense zone.
But in general, war is war. A rocket can also fly to the ground headquarters.

[Alexandre]

That's NATO and put up with it. We open Flightradar24 and see several of these aircraft along the borders of Romania, Poland, over the Black Sea. They put up with it around the clock from 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX

[mmaxx]

The complete inattention of the leadership of the Air Force and the Defense Ministry to aerial reconnaissance is surprising. As if the main thing in war is to swing one-on-one checkers.
And it's traditional. Is it really impossible to analyze conflicts and wars and draw conclusions?

[certero]

The operation in Ukraine shows that Russian aviation is not at all as powerful as it seemed to us according to reports before. But Russia still makes excellent missiles.

[Alexandre]

Do you draw this conclusion based on the facts of the passage of the Kyrgyz Republic, which are captured on video? According to the MoD briefing? After three months of war, Ukraine lives like a normal state. Television and telephony work, including the Internet, electricity and water in houses, all types of transport work, with difficulties, but it is possible to refuel for a private trader with gasoline, in Kyiv a pilgrimage of foreign delegations hugs and kisses Zelensky. Destruction of the railway tunnel is an insurmountable task, damn it. In 2008, the US was ready to destroy the Roki Tunnel. A lot of details indicate that the NWO is not going the way it is "unparalleled in the world." Nepotism and theft of previous years ....

[stirrer]

Television and telephony work, including the Internet, electricity and water in houses, all types of transport work, with difficulties, but it is possible to refuel for a private trader with gasoline, in Kyiv a pilgrimage of foreign delegations hugs and kisses Zelensky.

Well, no one sets such a goal in the Kremlin, the Russian army can destroy communications, power supply in Ukraine within a few hours, but why, this will lead to the largest humanitarian catastrophe since the Second World War.

A lot of details indicate that the NWO is not going the way it is "unparalleled in the world." Nepotism and theft of previous years ....

Probably, the Kremlin themselves cannot decide on the ultimate goals of the NWO, maybe there is a bargaining with the West where the hostilities will stop and to whom what territories will go.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Author Well done! Everything is correct! Worthy to become and most importantly Smart!
As for the pilots for the Air Force, I’ll add, for 8 years they recruited double or even triple sets at the school, creating a personnel reserve, plus pensioners were kept at airfields, so they have a lot of pilots. I won’t be surprised if there are already prepared for both the F-15 and F-16

[Monar]

School is good. But two or three sets must be planted tightly at the helm. What would not only "takeoff and landing."
So where are those pilots?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

As for the pilots for the Air Force, I’ll add, they recruited double or even triple sets at the school for 8 years, creating a personnel reserve, plus pensioners were kept at airfields

I will reveal a military secret - no matter how many cadets you keep at the airfield, you cannot make a pilot out of him. It is necessary to FLY in order to train military pilots, but with a raid in the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is extremely bad - it’s not just for a double set, there was a chronic lack of combatants.
In 2020, the average flight time was about 38 hours. Half as much as you need to even keep fit, and young people should fly even more

[Monar]

how were the Ukrainian Air Force able to support their operations to evacuate prisoners from Mariupol?

Sorry, but this is some bullshit. Like "People surrendered. They were handed over to the appropriate authorities. A Ukrainian blue helicopter arrives here. And takes them out of their places of detention"?
By the way, don't specify. Where did the information come from that one turntable flew back and forth successfully.

[41st region]

They won't forgive you. I got downvoted for the same question. It looks like someone is having trouble understanding the meaning of the word "prisoner".
But to soar in wonderful epirheas without any texture - that's welcome.
The author "sees this way", tkst.

[Vitaly.17]

I disagree with both the author and most of the comments. Indeed, there are many questions in the NMD, both of an economic nature in terms of the uninterrupted SUPPLY OF UNFRIENDLY COUNTRIES with Russian energy carriers, and of a military nature, where the basis of any operational-strategic operation is ISOLATION of the combat area. One gets the feeling that our generals did not study at military schools, and politicians and the Foreign Ministry are so cunning that they are trying to deceive not only themselves, but also their children, depleting Russian non-renewable resources in order to support Western Russophobic and neo-Nazi policies.
But these global issues are probably not worth the attention of the author. He is trying to accuse the leadership of the Air Force and Air Defense of the ineffective use of AWACS aircraft and the ongoing flights of Ukro-aviation. Only the author forgot about such a trifle that an AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type by itself cannot perform combat missions. To conduct an anti-aircraft operation, at least a couple of fighter squadrons should be in the air next to it, ideally, on instruction, a whole regiment. Now imagine the cost of resources and their effectiveness in the presence of only a few aircraft and helicopters in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Especially now, when the low speed of the advance of troops creates quite acceptable conditions for their escort by ground-based air defense and electronic warfare units.

[cmax]

Quote: Vitaly.17

I disagree with both the author and most of the comments. Indeed, there are many questions in the NMD, both of an economic nature in terms of the uninterrupted SUPPLY OF UNFRIENDLY COUNTRIES with Russian energy carriers, and of a military nature, where the basis of any operational-strategic operation is ISOLATION of the combat area. One gets the feeling that our generals did not study at military schools, and politicians and the Foreign Ministry are so cunning that they are trying to deceive not only themselves, but also their children, depleting Russian non-renewable resources in order to support Western Russophobic and neo-Nazi policies.
But these global issues are probably not worth the attention of the author. He is trying to accuse the leadership of the Air Force and Air Defense of the ineffective use of AWACS aircraft and the ongoing flights of Ukro-aviation. Only the author forgot about such a trifle that an AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type by itself cannot perform combat missions. To conduct an anti-aircraft operation, at least a couple of fighter squadrons should be in the air next to it, ideally, on instruction, a whole regiment. Now imagine the cost of resources and their effectiveness in the presence of only a few aircraft and helicopters in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Especially now, when the low speed of the advance of troops creates quite acceptable conditions for their escort by ground-based air defense and electronic warfare units.

And here is the A50, in principle, there is nothing at all in the Russian army for normal modern intelligence, in the modern sense of the term. The defense budget of Russia annually is about 50 billion dollars. These are the resources about the boilers you are talking about. The money is not small. Why are they being pushed into various modernizations of the junk of the Second World War, and not into new guided weapons. Damn, the soldiers don’t have normal shoes, they fall apart, they take them off the dead ukrov.

[max702]

Damn, the soldiers don’t have normal shoes, they fall apart, they take them off the dead ukrov.
Proof to the studio! And then ipsoshnyh manuals breathed ..

[Osipov9391]

And if it were not for the microcircuits of the Minsk "Integral", then there would be nothing at all in terms of modern electronic equipment. And so almost all imports are continuous.
By the way, microcircuits 133, 140, 530 and similar series from the 70s and 80s are still being made and equipment for aviation and air defense systems is assembled on them.
Microcontrollers and DSP processors (only 10-15% are made in Russia) are very limitedly developed.

[Ros 56]

In short, this field with aerial radar reconnaissance is still plowed and plowed. I am glad that at least they do not hush up the problem.

[ism_ek]

but the target detection range of the type ...... cruise missile is about 200 kilometers

It seems to me that these data are very controversial. At least on the example of the air defense of Ukraine, the core of which was NATO AWACS aircraft loitering over the Black Sea and neighboring states. They shoot down 2..3% of our cruise missiles. Although the air defense of Ukraine is still strong and our air forces do not carry out massive raids on the adjacent territory.
It can be concluded that targets flying near the surface of the earth are very poorly visible to AWACS aircraft. Well, the whole article is an empty grinding of something incomprehensible.

[Scharnhorst]

In particular, information on the use of AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type and Tu-214R radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance aircraft is not available in open sources, so it can only be judged by indirect signs.

Information for thought. The schedule for combat duty of radio engineering units with radars turned on and their types is classified information. Flights of AWACS aircraft are from the same category in wartime.
Judge by circumstantial evidence.
An hour ago a submarine entered Sevastopol...

[Knell wardenheart]

I believe that the DLRO aircraft are already of respectable age and there is no information on the relevance of their condition (that is, we do not know which part of them is objectively ready to perform a combat mission and without increased risk). Each machine has a resource - the resource of deterioration of this equipment is also unknown to us ..
Finally, collecting all the eggs in one basket is a big risk now, therefore, some part of the aircraft will be kept in reserve on other fronts. The rest of these 20 hardly physically can cover the entire front 24/7, especially since they also have resources and operating rules, they require inter-flight maintenance, the crew needs rotation, etc.

These are large aircraft, and since (probably) there are few of them involved for the above reasons (and they are most likely based near the border) - their location on the ground can be monitored and notify the enemy of at least redeployment.

I don't think at the moment we have options other than a narrow focus on key fronts to fix this. In this case, we, however, run the risk of overlooking something big and smelly on secondary fronts.

[iouris]

The CIA website provides answers to such questions.

[Alexandre]

Correct, timely article. When, if not now, to ask questions on this topic? Even now, when the problems are obvious, there is hatred and "no one is to blame" in the comments. Six months ago, they would have booed at all. The United States has already begun replacing the Boeing E-3 Sentry. The replacement is based on the Boeing 737 AEW&C E-7 Wedgetail.

[Alex Murphy]

In my opinion, the biggest problem is to establish an immediate transfer of intelligence from reconnaissance aircraft to the troops directly on the battlefield, up to the platoon.

[Osipov9391]

While people like Serdyukov rule the industry, it is naive to expect any changes.
Where are light class helicopters so that they are "popular" for the entire economy and training?
In the sense of the Mi-34 with a Voronezh piston engine and the Ka-126 with an Omsk gas turbine.
They are not.
Projects were buried at a high degree of readiness for the sake of buying foreign equipment.
Ansat and Ka-226 with American/Canadian engines are put out of brackets. They won't.
And who is responsible for these failures?

And here they write about AWACS aircraft ...
You have to start small. And pay attention to it.

[Maxim G]

Do we need helicopters of this kind? Objectively.
Isn't it just babies?
A normal helicopter, it seems to me, starts with such as the French line from Alouette III to the modern EC 130.

[Osipov9391]

For the initial training of the Mi-34, that's it. An analogue of "Robinson" as it were.
But completely domestic.
The Ka-126 is already a gas turbine, in fact the Ka-226 is with one domestic Omsk engine instead of a pair of American ones.
Needed. For the civilian market, maybe even for the private one.

I think that if the state or someone ("Helicopters of Russia") did not want to make them, then they would give the documentation to some private enthusiasts for small-scale production and promotion.
But in our country the legislation is not adapted for this.
Therefore, this branch will not grow at all.

And those helicopters that are made in Russia are single and expensive, long developed and available only for law enforcement agencies for public money.
So the mass purchase of the same Mi-34 by flying clubs would quickly raise the industry from its knees.

[Maxim G]

Did you sit in Robinson?) What job can he do other than be a taxi for the rich?
I just draw your attention to the Aérospatiale lineup and now Airbus Helicopters.
They do not have such small and piston helicopters as Robinson.
Ka-226 is the right helicopter and other models are larger.
Training should be as follows: Microsoft flight simulator, flight simulator, a specific type of aircraft on which the future pilot will fly.

[Osipov9391]

The Mi-34 and Ka-126 (a single-engine version of the Ka-226 with an Omsk engine) performs all the tasks that the Ka-26 "bang my head against the wall" does.
That's what they were designed for.
Even for foresters well suited. The country is big, there are many tasks.

[Maxim G]

Mi-34 and Ka-126, 226 are different machines.
Mi-34, for example, carries fewer passengers.
Do we need 2 helicopter models?
I think no.
Enough Kamov, and a larger light "Ansat".

[Osipov9391]

You can forget about the Ka-226 and Ansat. The military refuses them, because without domestic engines it's time to put an end to production.
Because only there is equipment that is completely domestic and with a domestic power unit can be produced.
Everything else is already gone, the Americans did not even deliver the paid-for nodes.

[flicker]

it can be argued with a high probability that the conduct of the Russian special operation in Ukraine revealed a significant shortage of aviation reconnaissance and control equipment - medium-altitude and strategic reconnaissance UAVs, AWACS aircraft, reconnaissance, control and target designation aircraft

No, well, okay, "special operation opened"
And before the special operation, it was not known that many types of UAVs had just begun mass production.
It should be noted that the very fact that we launched a special operation and its course suggests that we are grinding well "from trained" by NATO instructors, provided with NATO communications and all possible reconnaissance (including satellite) army. And this is true.
And do not whine "maybe", "maybe", "over time" something bad about our equipment will "leak out".
---
Israeli patriots will soon "leak" the ceiling.

[certero]

Quote from Alexandre

Do you draw this conclusion based on the facts of the passage of the Kyrgyz Republic, which are captured on video? According to the MoD briefing? After three months of war, Ukraine lives like a normal state. Television and telephony work, including the Internet, electricity and water in houses, all types of transport work,

This is not because missiles are bad, this is because NWO, not war. Destroying power plants and water supply stations is just the easiest task. However, against the background of the fact that gas is supplied and Ukraine receives money, working transport is not the most paradoxical thing.

[TatarinSSSR]

A long detailed article, but it's all beautiful in the lines and the moronic program "Military Acceptance" on TV. In reality - constant, as today, two-hour shelling by artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of Donetsk, and other cities. And no AWACS, Tu-214, counter-battery radars and other expensive garbage are nowhere to be seen. Two!!!!!!! For two hours, Grads and heavy artillery shelled the city of Donetsk from Avleevka, and not a single vaunted front-door garbage can be traced, and not a single other vaunted front-line garbage can be suppressed. To suppress, and not throw a dozen shells hundreds of meters around the enemy’s guns, so that Kanashenkov’s talking-reading head would later report on the “defeat of 45 artillery positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine” in his briefing.

[wladimirjankov]

this is our army and leaders of the country. Well, you can’t drive Bandera from Donetsk and suppress their artillery, then at least they made an answer in the western cities of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, exactly and Kyiv. That would stop these killers. After all, they also have homes and loved ones there.

[Andrey VOV]

Over our city regularly 76 drones fly in the direction of Ukraine

[Zaurbek]

In general, it’s not clear to me, having the production of localized Tu204-214, why not make machines such as drills and rc based on them? You need at least 10 of them. And due to the small series, it was possible to use the element base not only ours.

[Victor Tsenin]

>revealed a significant shortage of aviation reconnaissance and control equipment - medium-altitude and strategic reconnaissance UAVs

The front-line soldiers will not agree with such a formulation of the question, if there is something in the moments described above, then in terms of the UAV of the tactical level, it’s full P. Personally, I accrued half of the New Year’s earnings and I’m going there very soon. If you are not going, help at least a ruble. Those. 150 million citizens x1 ruble, it turned out very well.

[Dedok]

The article as a whole is correct.
There are no "old" planes, there is equipment - of the "last" century.
There are many questions regarding the work of electronic warfare, electronic intelligence (scanning and listening to everything).
and pathetic talk about Artats, Checkmates is a distraction from mistakes or failures, nothing more.
Communication - and then - at the "prehistoric" level.
There is something to work on, but where to find those who will direct the "case" in the right direction, and not PR?

[AlOrg]

It's amazing how many shortcomings were revealed during the CBO. All these mistakes need to be addressed now in the course of the SVO and not after its completion. Since without solving these issues, the end of the SVO may not be in the foreseeable future, or everything will end in a not very good way for the Russian Federation

[Artyom Khvaleba]

The whole problem is corruption, the system is rotten from top to bottom. I think that the fact that the SVO was originally planned as a "blitzkrieg" is not clear only to an idiot. Now there is "improvisation" and attempts to at least somehow correct the situation with the available forces and means. yes, indeed, so little information is being provided. I don’t want to exaggerate, but all this can end up pretty badly for the Russian Federation ...

[wladimirjankov]

Adequate people have long understood (already 40 years ago) that without modern satellite constellations with remote electronic, thermal imaging, optical sensing, AWACS aircraft and helicopters, medium-altitude and strategic reconnaissance UAVs, the army of any country is a blind and backward army, with limited capabilities. But in order to create all this and not only in sufficient quantities, you need to have your own electronic database, i.e. developed electronics industry. The Americans, as adequate and pragmatic people, understood this back in the late sixties and began to invest heavily in this business. Then the Japanese "started up", picked up by the Western Europeans. And it came to the Chinese in the nineties. For the USSR, and then for Russia, this was a secondary matter. For the communists, it was more important to give out the most tractors, combines, coal, metal, etc. in the world. And the oligarchs and the Russian governments and presidents who expressed their interests did not need anything at all except taking care of their pockets and interests. As a result, we do not have our own electronic database. Western sanctions have blocked the ability to buy it in developed countries, except for China so far. And just now it has dawned on our rulers that without their radio components, chips, processors, etc. we cannot create communications satellites, reconnaissance, AWACS aircraft, UAVs, missiles, computers, instruments, machine tools, medical equipment, etc., even household appliances. Why, for almost the second decade, we have not been able to supply the AWACS A-100 aircraft to the army. After all, he had already been practically assembled, passed the tests. Because his project was created using a foreign element base. Since access to it is now closed, the project is being processed. But there is nothing to assemble this plane from. It seems that the problems of the production of the SU-57, T-14, strike UAVs and other latest weapons are connected with this. After all, even the dagger, Iskander, X-101, and caliber missiles already adopted for service use American chips. So they themselves say after examining what was left of these missiles when they were used in Ukraine. Hoping and counting on supplies from China is not far-sighted and stupid. This huge problem must be solved immediately and first of all. Mobilize and send the best and most competent people of the country to solve it. As in due time on the atomic project. And resources should have been directed to this, and not to the organization of Olympics, world championships, the construction of huge stadiums that no one needs now, gas and oil pipelines and other unjustified expenses. This is an arch problem and it must be solved quickly. The country must re-create a modern radio-electronic industry, computer facilities and its own operating system. This, in turn, will pull the development of other basic industries. I'm afraid Borisov alone will not cope with this. We need people like Korolev, Kurchatov, Keldysh, Sakhorov, and so on.

[TatarinSSSR]

I subscribe to your every word. You are absolutely right.