T-62: the potential for use in the special operation "Z"

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A few years ago, a lot of T-62M went to Syria, where they performed well. Source: yuripasholok.livejournal.com

Tank of the second echelon


Propagandists from Ukraine are diligently dispersing numerous fakes about the forced use of obsolete by the allied forces tanks T-62. They say that modern cars were knocked out by the notorious "holy Javelins", and Russia has to remove the cars of the Soviet era from conservation. No one seriously intends to discuss this nonsense, but the idea of ​​​​using the T-62 as a second-tier combat vehicle should be considered separately. First of all, because the LDNR troops quite successfully use the BMP-1. Moreover, they use light armor for a completely different purpose - to storm settlements, and sometimes as an artillery installation.

At the same time, armoring an infantry fighting vehicle, at best, corresponds to the realities of the early 70s of the last century. In Russia, several thousand T-62 tanks are stored in the mobilization reserve (according to some sources, up to 2 vehicles), so why not use this armada in the interests of a special operation?



With the development of the offensive of the allied forces in the Donbass and further to the West, the issue of control of the liberated territories will become acute. Ukrainian nationalists in their most frostbitten guise will not stop even after the capitulation of the Kyiv regime and will annoy with terrorist activity. The T-62 in any version can perfectly play the role of a security vehicle for important objects in the rear, as well as replace modern equipment at checkpoints. Where the machines of the T-72, T-80 and T-90 series are impractical to use, a simple and unpretentious "sixty-two" will fit quite well.


Source: yuripasholok.livejournal.com

A little about the specifics of the T-62. It’s worth starting with the fact that the modification of the T-62M, which was put into service in 1983, reached the level of the early T-64A and T-72 in terms of combat effectiveness. Except, of course, firepower. The T-62 was equipped with the world's first smoothbore 115 mm cannon, inferior in power to the 125 mm gun. An additional sandwich of armor plates and polyurethane foam plates was welded onto the upper frontal sheet of the "M" modification.

A characteristic feature of the T-62M was the famous "Ilyich's eyebrows" - massive armored blocks on both sides of the gun embrasure. The sides were covered with rubber-fabric screens 10 mm thick. The experience of Afghanistan was taken into account in strengthening mine protection. In the area of ​​the driver, additional 20-mm armor was welded from the lower bow inclined sheet to the second pair of torsion bars. The honored V-55U diesel engine was boosted from 580 hp. With. up to 620 l. With. In 1985, the T-62MV appeared, from which additional armor was removed from the nose and replaced with dynamic protection "Contact". Along with the previous modification, the MV version is quite successfully fighting against gangs in Syria.

Part of the T-62MV was equipped with dynamic protection on the side projections. The remaining modifications differ in insignificant details, which in the realities of a special operation can be ignored. For example, a V-46-5M diesel engine with a capacity of 690 liters was installed on some tanks. With. And, of course, a modification of the T-62D with the Drozd active defense system, capable of destroying ATGMs and RPGs approaching at speeds up to 700 m/s. However, there are big doubts that at least one tank with a functional KAZ of this series remains in Russia.

The T-62 has a glorious combat story. Tanks managed to make war in Afghanistan, in Chechnya and even in South Ossetia in 2008. It is noteworthy that in the North Caucasus, militants armed with completely modern anti-tank systems opposed the vehicles. In particular, the T-62M was in service with the 160th Guards Tank Regiment under the command of Colonel A. Budanov.

Tank crews successfully fought terrorists, received hits from ATGMs, but remained on the move. And near Tskhinval, tankers of the 42nd Guards Motorized Rifle Division repeatedly destroyed Georgian T-72s. Of course, not on the forehead, but when they hit the sides from an ambush. There is no particular sense in considering the use of the T-62 in the Arab-Israeli conflicts, since the vehicles were used against tanks equal to themselves, which cannot be found in Ukraine. The 105-mm cannons of the Centurions and the M48 cannot be compared with the tank guns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Later, the enemy had 115-mm and 120-mm guns, but here the T-62s fought with dignity, and if they were defeated, it was due to the low level of the Arab command.

Golden mean


As we remember, the Ukrainian command for a long time craved the German Leopard-1 tanks. So, the T-62 strikes the frontal armor of this vehicle from a distance of 3 km, and the Germans still need to get close to a distance of 1,5–2 km in order to break through a domestic tank. Of course, no one in their right mind would have allowed the tanks decommissioned back in 2013 to enter the first line of attack in Ukraine, but this example clearly shows the balance of forces. The T-62, in case of its hypothetical use in a special operation, in addition to security functions, can be used as a self-propelled gun. Why, for example, is this tank worse than the 122-mm regimental self-propelled guns "Gvozdika", which very often in Ukraine works with direct fire? And this means that he exposes his thin armor to return fire.

The only downside is the lower accuracy of the smooth-bore tank gun against the 122-mm rifled "sniper rifle" self-propelled guns. But this can be compensated by a shorter firing distance. The difference in the lethal effect on the target between the described calibers is not fundamental if the fire is not fired at tanks. The T-62 can also fire indirect fire - in some cases this can be useful. They learned how to hit on a hinged trajectory from the BTR-82A gun. In addition, the T-62 in urban environments can become an inexpensive and effective anti-sniper weapon. weapons.


T-62MV in the Patriot park. Source: patriotp.ru

It is important to understand that the T-62 can partially replace modern vehicles in non-tank areas. Simply because the resource of the undercarriage of the equipment is not rubber, and over time, the warring tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will go for major repairs. Ideally, it would be good to replace most of the outdated BMP-1 and even BMP-2 with the T-62M / MV. At least for the duration of the special operation. It is clear that the resource of the BMP motors is higher than that of the T-62, and the latter will run out of steam faster, but during the period of positional confrontation this may not be so critical. Infantry on the march is still placed on the armor, so let the weighty main caliber and much more serious armor be a bonus to this. During the offensive, it is more reliable for dismounted manpower to be protected, albeit outdated, but by a tank.

In the end, the Ukrainians are arming their defense systems with Degtyarev and Maxim machine guns - is it worth using new tanks against such an "army"? The T-62 series becomes that very "golden mean" when it is dangerous to use light armored vehicles, and standard tanks are impractical. And a random RPG in the forehead of the T-62 will withstand exactly, unlike, for example, an infantry fighting vehicle.

It will probably be useful to use the T-62 as fixed firing points on 2-3 lines of defense. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now raving about counteroffensives, so why not create a line in depth in dangerous areas? There are also no particular problems with servicing the T-62 series in repair parts - the engines are largely unified, and the rest of the mechanics are much easier to repair than modern tanks.

Of course, the tactics of using the T-62 will have to be adjusted to some of the features of the tank. First of all, it is low mobility. The specific power of even the most powerful "sixty-two" does not exceed 18 liters. s./t. For comparison: T-72B3 - 24,5 liters. s. / t, for BMP-1 - about 23 liters. s./t. Tankers will have to adapt to new conditions and look for a fourth crew member - the loader.

On the other hand, the labor intensity of maintenance and emergency repairs of the tank will be reduced: four crew members - not three. Supply services will have to expand the range of shells with 115 mm caliber, which does not add efficiency and flexibility. The T-62 of all series has a relatively weak mine resistance - this will have to be taken into account when developing tactics for use. Where the T-72B3 or T-80BVM only bounce on a mine, the T-62 can die along with the crew.

Of course, the T-62 cannot bring a turning point in the battle for the Donbass and other cities of Ukraine. But he is able to protect the rear, support the cleansing of the territory, and sometimes suppress the entrenched enemy with artillery fire. It is too early to write off the good old Soviet-era equipment, and the Z special operation has already confirmed this more than once.
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  1. +12
    1 June 2022 18: 05
    It is important to understand that the T-62 can partially replace modern vehicles in non-tank areas. Simply because the resource of the undercarriage of the equipment is not rubber, and over time, the warring tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will go for major repairs. Ideally, it would be good to replace most of the outdated BMP-1 and even BMP-2 with the T-62M / MV. At least for the duration of the special operation. It is clear that the resource of the BMP motors is higher than that of the T-62, and the latter will run out of steam faster, but during the period of positional confrontation this may not be so critical. Infantry on the march is still placed on the armor, so let the weighty main caliber and much more serious armor be a bonus to this. During the offensive, it is more reliable for dismounted manpower to be protected, albeit outdated, but by a tank.

    ))))))) 5 stages of accepting the inevitable - denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Only down-and-out eccentrics still believe that tanks are against tanks, but the vast majority of tanks were destroyed by artillery, and now ATGMs of various bases have been added to them.
    1. +25
      1 June 2022 18: 17
      Quote: Nestorych
      5 stages of acceptance

      in the entire article copied as a quote? wink
      1. +22
        1 June 2022 18: 35
        As a self-propelled gun, it will do with a bang, do not go on the attack. The armor is at a level 3-4 times thicker than that of the "Acacia" Gvozdika "and" Msta "so only a direct hit is dangerous. I believe that 115mm ammunition in the warehouses is also full.
        1. -5
          2 June 2022 00: 12
          No need to reinvent the wheel. The Chinese, on the basis of an old tank, made their own terminator with a new weapon control system, with missiles, kamikaze drones and UAVs!
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5b8067b4357c7100a9018821/kitaiskii-terminator-sravnivaem-bmpt-qn506-i-bmpt-terminator2--video-601ad16bc5e03772698c3756
          1. +1
            2 June 2022 12: 38
            Chinese shit is very... specific. you look at the "window" of the driver there
          2. 0
            14 June 2022 07: 10
            Under the terminator and t-55 will go well. Although, the T-55m with a rifled 100mm gun is also an interesting topic. And ATGM through the barrel too. Modernize, and the solution of many problems will be more accessible at a lower cost.
            We need to think about this today in order to help the future ally (Arestovich also assumes this) to repel Polish aggression in the future.
        2. +5
          2 June 2022 12: 01
          If you think like that, then the Molotov cocktail cannot be used against Abrams! In war, fse methods are good, which lead to a cheap victory! Even with a pitchfork, even with a bayonet, beat the adversary
        3. 0
          10 June 2022 21: 55
          This is what the author says about it:
          LDNR troops quite successfully use the BMP-1. Moreover, they use light armor for a completely different purpose - to storm settlements, and sometimes as an artillery installation.

          From an old tank, a low-maneuverable self-propelled gun will turn out better than from a BMP-1
    2. +6
      1 June 2022 18: 26
      In Russia, several thousand T-62 tanks are stored in the mobilization reserve (according to some sources, up to 2 vehicles), so why not use this armada in the interests of a special operation?

      It would make sense if they were unmanned .... But it’s a pity for the tankers ...
      Although on secondary and rear tasks it’s quite for itself. To release current technology. KMK
      1. +56
        1 June 2022 19: 13
        And PERSONALLY, at the checkpoint, you would prefer to have an infantry fighting vehicle with cardboard armor and a funny cannon, or a tank with 115 mm. cannon? And you want to live.
        1. -3
          2 June 2022 15: 34
          Quote: maiman61
          And PERSONALLY, at the checkpoint, you would prefer to have an infantry fighting vehicle with cardboard armor and a funny cannon, or a tank with 115 mm. cannon? And you want to live.

          Specifically for non-readers, quote
          Although on secondary and rear tasks it’s quite for itself. To release current technology. KMK
        2. 0
          4 June 2022 14: 17
          Quote: maiman61
          And PERSONALLY, at the checkpoint, you would prefer to have an infantry fighting vehicle with cardboard armor and a funny cannon, or a tank with 115 mm. cannon?

          Of course, the T-62 in the trenches is better than the BMP, in the same place. "Derivation" with a 57mm machine gun, instead of 115mm. it's not bad too.
      2. +2
        1 June 2022 19: 18
        Quote: Mitroha
        be they unmanned

        More propaganda and they will be unmanned. And as a self-propelled guns, it’s quite normal.
        Petka, you're a communist! And the machine gun fired again. ©
      3. +31
        1 June 2022 19: 19
        Quote: Mitroha
        And so sorry for the tankers ...

        And when armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles go for an attack, do you feel sorry for anyone?
        1. +8
          2 June 2022 10: 00
          I'm sorry to chime in. Or maybe, for the beginning, the place stormed by the fabs should be processed just like that. And so the mythical "Armata" may not help, not to mention the old T-62.
          1. -1
            2 June 2022 10: 45
            Quote from AdAstra
            maybe, for the beginning, the place stormed by the fabs should be processed once so

            Can.
            If we came to capture a foreign city.
            And if you release your own, and do not kill the people who are in this very place, then it cannot.
            1. 0
              2 June 2022 11: 46
              hmmm? Do you speak yours? "There it is, Mikhalych." (C)
              1. +5
                2 June 2022 12: 12
                Quote from AdAstra
                hmmm? Do you speak yours? "There it is, Mikhalych." (C)

                Do you think that the Russians in Mariupol are not ours?
                1. +6
                  2 June 2022 12: 55
                  I don't know, you have to look. Here and in Russia it turns out there are Russians, but not their own.
            2. mva
              0
              7 June 2022 16: 03
              Fabami into white light like a pretty penny from a height of more than 5 km (they don’t give below MANPADS) or from low level (again, you’ll hit the figs) ..
        2. -1
          2 June 2022 13: 23
          Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not go to attack.
          Soldiers on foot storm cities, fortified areas, defense sites on difficult terrain. Tanks and the aforementioned vehicles deliver infantry to the attack line or to the concentration area in the city and support them with fire from relatively far away. Here, somewhere, a tank gun is more effective, and somewhere a nimble armored personnel carrier, which jumped out for a second, fired a couple of bursts from a 30-mm cannon and took cover behind a building.
          As for the T-62, I had to serve a little on the T-62M. They will not spoil the porridge, all the more we are not talking about their opposition to more modern MBTs. But it is necessary to install remote sensing, a thermal imager and .. teach the crew. And driving and shooting is more difficult than on modern cars.
          1. +4
            2 June 2022 15: 17
            Quote: Alekseev
            Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not go to attack

            Yes Yes.
            What do we see on TV then?
            1. -1
              3 June 2022 07: 31
              What are you showing?
              Fragments, and then when there is an opportunity to remove.
              But, nevertheless, it can be seen that the use of armored personnel carriers by troops in the city is fundamentally different from the assault on terrorists' blatkhata by special forces. There, the special forces are hiding behind an armored personnel carrier, because they know that they will not use the PTS. Against troops, hiding behind a tank or other armored vehicle is extremely dangerous and pointless, with rare exceptions. For on armored objects that suppress firing points, the enemy focuses fire, and the projectile always has an advantage over armor, all the more so, figuratively speaking, there is only one tank, and there are many RPGs and ATGMs.
              1. 0
                4 June 2022 14: 16
                Ukrainians often shoot from UAVs and Quadcopters. The area in front of the fortifications is saturated with mines, both anti-personnel and anti-tank. You can not believe the word is your right. I won’t provide video reports except video coming out) but I know I saw, I remember, and there are many eyewitnesses from different directions.
          2. 0
            4 June 2022 14: 12
            I have to disappoint you, and armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles go to storm the fortified areas in full growth. Perhaps you and I are talking about different wars. But during the NWO, any assault on the fortified area takes place under at least mortar fire. And the infantry campaign from three km to the fortification ends quickly. Especially if it is landing fields and hills. Ukrainians often occupy positions that other fascists occupied before them during the Great Patriotic War, and we very often repeat the mistakes of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
          3. 0
            8 June 2022 14: 46
            Quote: Alekseev
            Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not go to attack.
            you apparently from the word do not follow what is happening on the outskirts at all. there are dozens of video reports in the telegram channel, which show how old Soviet armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles storm Mariupol in urban conditions, as well as armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles trying to storm fortified areas. There is even a sensational video where Western legionnaires knock out our armored personnel carrier in green during the assault. I don’t know the fate of the entire crew, but one Chechen from the crew definitely died, they wrote about it in the media
        3. -2
          2 June 2022 15: 32
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And when armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles go for an attack, do you feel sorry for anyone?

          It was about replacing the MBTs in service, and not in the case of a choice between a tank and an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle, don’t you understand?
      4. +1
        2 June 2022 03: 12
        Quote: Mitroha
        Although on secondary and rear tasks it’s quite for itself. To release current technology. KMK

        What the author writes about.
      5. AAK
        +1
        2 June 2022 11: 16
        ... and even better, the "old proven" T-34s will cope with the tasks of the SVO
    3. +12
      1 June 2022 18: 30
      Here is the answer to all the haters, why put up the Armata for the enemy with Maxims.
      In terms of using outdated armored vehicles and chassis, the experience of the Wehrmacht is remarkable, the Germans really used even such a tank rudiment as the Pz.I. It was converted into a command and control vehicle, an ammunition carrier, a Panzerjager I tank destroyer, a 155-mm self-propelled gun SIG 33 and many others. And about the LT-38 chassis, the listing page is not enough.
      In fact, now there are hostilities at the level of the First World-Civil Wars. There are no tank breakthroughs of the front for hundreds of kilometers as in the 40s, there is no blitzkrieg tactics, a network-centric war of the XNUMXst century.
      The enemy troops are being crushed by artillery, and although missile strikes are very difficult, they cannot seriously affect the general condition of Ukraine.
      1. 0
        1 June 2022 21: 53
        The Germans and Renault used and didn’t seem a little ..

        I highly recommend you read it, everything is great with the author! http://samlib.ru/n/nikolaj_b_d/nnikolaj_b_dtrofei.shtml
      2. +14
        2 June 2022 06: 53
        Quote: Jager
        There are no tank breakthroughs of the front for hundreds of kilometers as in the 40s, there is no blitzkrieg tactics

        And it won't be until it's not a war, but a special operation. In 1943-44, Ukraine was liberated from the Nazis by the forces of FOUR fronts. In order for there to be tank breakthroughs for hundreds of kilometers, converging pincers, and all other strategic wisdom, memorable from the Great Patriotic War, it is necessary to declare mobilization, and mobilized, even infantry, and even more tankers and artillerymen, at least for a few months to train on the equipment on which they to fight, to achieve at least some coordination. And the equipment, respectively, should be at least reactivated, and in a good way, and brought up to modern requirements.
        And with the available forces as part of a special operation, they just slowly grind the enemy with artillery and squeeze them out of positions. At best, organize local "bowlers" for a couple of thousand ukro-snouts. One can only dream of boilers of Stalingrad size.
        1. +1
          3 June 2022 10: 19
          An inner voice suggests that in a couple of months a partial mobilization will begin, of course it will be called differently, we are no strangers to this, but this will not change the essence
          1. -1
            3 June 2022 11: 34
            Well, rather agree on something in three months. What kind of mobilization, our little people with rottenness, will start to roam.
            1. +4
              3 June 2022 12: 03
              And you yourself are not in a trench ??? Or do you have something else???
              1. -6
                3 June 2022 12: 07
                And I'm the same, no longer fit. Only in sofa troops!
                Well, actually:
                "in the Red Army there are bayonets tea
                The Bolsheviks will manage without me" :)
        2. 0
          4 June 2022 14: 17
          Absolutely right
        3. mva
          0
          7 June 2022 16: 07
          And what do you think was the Kyiv, Zhytomyr and Sumy regions in February? Not tank breakthroughs?
  2. +16
    1 June 2022 18: 15
    For me, the author draws reasonable conclusions.
    Eugene, your words, yes to God's ears ...
    1. +13
      1 June 2022 18: 32
      I would add the ability to use 115 caliber shells in +, otherwise you will have to destroy it at the training ground when the storage period ends, but here it’s really not bad to shoot instead of carnations on direct fire, the damage to the enemy is never superfluous.
      1. +15
        1 June 2022 21: 37
        here is an important point so that these tanks go in addition, and not instead of the normal t-72/80/90, otherwise there may be unique ones who decide that "you have a t-62, why else tanks?"
        1. +2
          1 June 2022 21: 44
          Quote: Barberry25
          here is an important point for these tanks to go in addition, and not instead of normal t-72/80/90
          It certainly is. In general, I propose how to use art, although I don’t argue with the author, you can saturate the second echelon with them.
          1. +4
            2 June 2022 07: 11
            Quote: NIKNN
            I generally suggest how to use art

            On direct fire - it’s clear how, and the armor of even such antiques holds much more than the bulletproof armor of modern self-propelled guns (oh, where are you, ISU-152 with heavy tank armor!)
            But, if I’m not mistaken, in this NOT war, artillery is mainly used from closed positions, and lifts the barrels by almost 45 °, while the T-62’s gun goes up by a maximum of 16 °, and, according to Wiki, the maximum firing range is 5,8 , XNUMX km., which is NOT about anything in this war.
            So the T-62 artillery can only be replaced in a very limited number of cases. If you know how the T-62 can fire from closed positions, please share. I am personally curious, although I have never been an artilleryman.
            1. +3
              2 June 2022 11: 45
              I think that in addition to reinforcing roadblocks, it is very tempting to use it as an infantry fighting vehicle when storming cities. Send infantry to clear the way instead of cardboard infantry fighting vehicles.
              1. +1
                3 June 2022 13: 35
                I think that in addition to strengthening roadblocks, it is very tempting to use it as an infantry fighting vehicle when storming cities
                Together with the BMPT, because the feasibility of using the latest versions of the T-72 tanks, as well as the T-80 and T-90 in settlements, is doubtful, and the T-62 is just right. The dynamics of combat in a populated area and in open areas, as well as the requirements for the technical quality of work, are different.
            2. +1
              3 June 2022 10: 23
              To make an artificial elevation and thereby increase the angle, the Jews did this in 67 and ours in Afghanistan, with BMP 1
          2. +3
            3 June 2022 16: 52
            Well, according to Mariupol, they wrote that the tanks acted like this - enemy firing points were detected - the tank drove out, fired a few shots and drove back.
    2. +3
      1 June 2022 18: 33
      I am not an expert, but after reading the article to Eugene, I think he is right in many ways.
    3. -5
      1 June 2022 19: 24
      For me, the author draws reasonable conclusions.
      Eugene,

      Eugene recently watched the hellfire555 video
      1. +9
        1 June 2022 20: 18
        Eugene recently watched the hellfire555 video

        Should have looked a little different.

        Exercises of logistics units of the Eastern Military District began in Buryatia
        21 2018 August

        On August 20, special exercises of logistic support units (MTO) started on the territory of the Eastern Military District. The course of practical exercises in Buryatia was observed by the Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Dmitry Bulgakov and the Head of Buryatia Alexei Tsydenov.



        At the training ground near the Divisional station, practical exercises were held to prepare for the combat use of the T-72 and T-62 tanks for arming two tank companies.

        The equipment was removed from long-term storage and loaded onto rail transport to be sent to the troops. Separate classes to improve skills in military specialties were held with citizens called up for training camps in the repair and restoration regiment.

        Those who distinguished themselves during the training camp were encouraged by the Deputy Minister of Defense, General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov and the Government of Buryatia.



        Special MTO exercises are being held in the Eastern Military District from August 20 to 25, 2018. About 36 thousand personnel and up to 3,4 thousand units are involved in the exercise.

        During the exercises, it is planned to work out a set of tasks assigned to the district logistics system. Particular attention will be paid to the issues of organizing the regrouping of troops, preparing for the actions of military units and organizing logistics management, the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Defense Ministry reported.




        The Buryats will again terrify the Urkains.
      2. +15
        1 June 2022 21: 13
        Here they recently neighed over Polish T-72s for x ... fishing
        1. +2
          1 June 2022 21: 16
          Don't say a gop until you jump over
        2. -9
          2 June 2022 03: 13
          Quote: Chikua
          Here they recently neighed over Polish T-72s for x ... fishing

          Only people like you.
  3. +6
    1 June 2022 18: 15
    At this point in time, it is difficult to say how this tank will be used. I think we will soon find out how they will be used.
    1. +7
      1 June 2022 20: 15
      It may very well be that, as in Afghanistan, shrapnel on manpower. After several shots of shrapnel in the direction of the village, no more shots were fired from there, or almost no shots were fired. A radical anti-sniper, with prophylactic shots where snipers or grenade launchers can hide. Or, nevertheless, at checkpoints with the engines turned off and manual guidance, to maintain camouflage and thermal stealth.
  4. +5
    1 June 2022 18: 18
    "The difference in the lethal effect on the target between the described calibers is not fundamental if the fire is not fired at tanks."

    Nonsense. High-explosive power depends on the caliber and is non-linear. Killer action is generally about moonshine :)

    Heavily modernized 62s were sent to Syria.

    Peaceful resistance t62m is much higher than T-72 and T-90, tests were carried out.

    In general, the feeling that the author in his own words retold an article that I read in a cart the other day, maybe I'm wrong.
    1. +4
      1 June 2022 19: 17
      * mine resistance
  5. KCA
    +19
    1 June 2022 18: 20
    And what, the voiced 7500 T-72s from storage have already ended? Is it time to dig out the T-62 and T-55?
    1. +3
      1 June 2022 18: 32
      Quote: KCA
      And what, the voiced 7500 T-72s from storage have already ended? Is it time to dig out the T-62 and T-55?

      Perhaps they will be more useful for a more global conflict, if it takes place. Everyone understands that Ukraine is a test of strength
      1. KCA
        -17
        1 June 2022 18: 41
        I deeply doubt that the T-62 is left somewhere like a piece of iron, it may come in handy, but where can I find a 115mm unitary projectile? If found, how to arrange logistics? PPC, the whole army is on 125mm separate loading and, suddenly, here, give me 115, these tractors are cheaper to burn than to provide fuel and ammunition, not to mention combat capabilities
        1. +6
          1 June 2022 19: 23
          Quote: KCA
          PPC, the whole army is on 125mm separate loading and, suddenly, here you go, give me 115

          And where did you forget 122 mm and 152 mm for self-propelled guns, 30 mm for armored personnel carriers, 70 mm for infantry fighting vehicles and other, other, other ....
          1. +4
            1 June 2022 19: 34
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            And where did you forget 122 mm and 152 mm for self-propelled guns, 30 mm for armored personnel carriers, 70 mm for infantry fighting vehicles and other, other, other ..

            I didn’t know for sure that the nomenclature reaches several dozen calibers and types. wink (73 for infantry fighting vehicles)
          2. +5
            1 June 2022 21: 45
            not to mention that some armored personnel carriers with KPVT and they need 14,5 mm cartridges, while someone else has an MTLB with 23 guns ... laughing
          3. KCA
            0
            3 June 2022 10: 53
            122, 125, 152, 23, 14.5, 12.7, 30, 7.62, 5.45, and even 203 are regular calibers that are everywhere, 115 is not used anywhere
        2. +6
          1 June 2022 19: 30
          Primitivism and simplification should not turn into complete stupidity, although they themselves are such. Is the task of delivering 115-mm projectiles to the rear completely impossible? Tanks were sent knowing that there were no shells for them?
          1. +5
            1 June 2022 21: 47
            logistics suffers if the conditional battalion has half of the T-62 tanks, the other half with the T-72, and another company on the T-80BVM ... then there will be difficulties, but here, in fact, the economy-t-62 will go to Syria at most either to Africa, and even that is in question, but this is still many, many billions of rubles to write off ..
            1. +3
              2 June 2022 23: 50
              The tank has two features. Possibility of manual targeting without turning on the engine, which provides masking against thermal imagers, and manual loading using an arbitrary set of ammunition not limited by the automatic loader. This defines the tank as still useful, despite its obsolescence.
              1. +1
                3 June 2022 10: 23
                everything depends on the theater of operations and tactics, those who want to buy tanks are now looking at more modern models, the same Syrians will be happy to take the t-72 instead of the t-62
                1. +3
                  3 June 2022 13: 26
                  As a main battle tank, of course, it is inferior to both the T-64 and T-72. But standing at a checkpoint or pouring shrapnel over buildings with enemy snipers and grenade launchers may even be preferable. There is a loader who can make installations on shrapnel shells.
                  1. +1
                    3 June 2022 16: 51
                    Well, I’m not familiar with shrapnel shells, but taking into account the current theater of operations, our enemy’s equipment is knocked out by artillery and anti-tank systems, and the only thing that can be presented to the T-62M is questions about hanging DZ blocks
              2. +1
                6 June 2022 09: 14
                You accurately captured this important essence of the T-62.
        3. -5
          1 June 2022 21: 13
          The T-62 seems to have been removed precisely because there were no 115-mm shells left.
          1. 0
            1 June 2022 21: 52
            They could seize warehouses with them in Ukraine.
          2. 0
            3 June 2022 10: 37
            A couple of years ago I saw on the official website of some factory (I don’t remember the name) the production of these shells was alive and took orders from foreigners
        4. +10
          1 June 2022 21: 44
          1) t-62 just ours worked out the re-opening on the example of Syria
          2) The T-62 was in service and participated in the war of 888 and there were 2 pieces in the warehouses, which at least indicates that there are warehouses with ammunition for it
          3) logistics just doesn’t suffer from the word at all, in Russia shells are loaded from a specific warehouse and transported to a specific sector for a specific part in the same way that shells for 100 mm rapiers, 122 mm Carnations, 152 Acacia, Hyacinths and 203 mm Peonies are now transported
          1. 0
            2 June 2022 10: 04
            And the shelf life of these ammunition has not expired?
            1. +2
              3 June 2022 10: 24
              I think everything rests on storage conditions - if it’s open on concrete in the open air, then they’re happy, but if it’s in the arsenals, then in principle they won’t have anything - they send shells to Syria
        5. KCA
          0
          3 June 2022 10: 49
          They have already written about the T-62, they are really being removed from storage and buried on the right bank of the Dnieper as a pillbox, cheap and cheerful, it is very difficult to get into the turret of a buried tank, due to the lack of attachments, it will also not be possible to damage the OFB with a close gap
    2. +21
      1 June 2022 18: 37
      I’m more interested in where they will take so many crews who can manage the 62nd? Are they mobilizing retirees in retirement?) And the current crews will obviously not be delighted to climb into 72 from 80/90/62 and retrain hi
      1. +8
        1 June 2022 19: 02
        Quote: spirit
        I’m more interested in where they will take so many crews who know how to manage the 62nd? Are they mobilizing retirees in retirement?)

        Spasnikov, who served in the 42nd MRD. She handed over her T-62s only 10 years ago. smile
        1. +17
          1 June 2022 20: 05
          Quote: spirit
          And the current crews will obviously not be happy with 72/80/90 to climb into 62 and retrain
          The T-62, I think, will be more difficult to manage than the T-72-80-90. I drove the T-62 (T-55), but did not drive more modern ones, so I can be wrong in places.
          Of the features of the T-62 - it does not have hydraulics and the tank turns only due to the driver's muscles and the lever system (pulled the lever, the disks in the side parted, the tape with the brake linings tightened - the tank began to turn, etc.). True, there is a pneumatic drive on the main clutch, but usually no one uses it, and some do not even know that it is available.
          Gearbox with synchronizers (except first and rear). If, when shifting gears, there is a large difference in rotation between the gears, then the synchronizers will repeat, preventing the gear from engaging, which will eventually turn on when the tank has already stopped, and when the main clutch is released (when the boost is on), it will simply stall. They usually start off from the second (taking the levers into the first position), but on the rise, they may not pull and they will have to touch from the first. Switching from first gear to second without stopping the tank is unlikely to succeed.
          The course of the road wheels is not large and at high (for the T-62) speed, on a wavy road, it can break away from one hillock and crash into the next, and the rollers, having chosen their entire course, crash into the limiters and the blow will fall on the hull. This case can be prevented at the very beginning by hitting the brake, the tank will nod a little and there will be no blow at all (or wag a little, but if you do this often, the crew will talk after a while)
          Etc. In general, with driving the T-62, practice is needed.
          1. +13
            2 June 2022 08: 17
            He served in the intelligence battalion in Kazakhstan. The company had a tank platoon, T-62. In the 90s they began to castrate the army, they removed all the tankers, I am a company commander, not a tanker.)) An order came to replace the T-62 with the T-72))). The ammunition was unloaded and the non-tankers drove the tanks to the loading station, which is a 170 km march through two passes. Naturally, I, the company commander, was behind the levers on the first tank. Before that, I didn’t drive a tank)) Feelings: after 15 kilometers, the thumb of my right hand was knocked out, I turned on the gears, my cheeks were shaking like jelly. After another 15 km (I exaggerate), the right and left legs began to fail, the efforts on the pedals of the main clutch and the brakes were solid. I came from Afghanistan and was a Rex due to my health, my legs easily pulled 40 km with a load, and here, like this, a habit, experience). On the pass, I pressed the clutch, and the pedal just went inside and did not return))))). I found the reason by crawling along the traction to the friction clutch itself, the cotter pin broke the traction-lever. I found a wire on the road - stuck it in - went further. It was enough for 50 km. Got T-72. This is a song! Gears with a finger (I don’t remember, 7 or 8) are all on hydraulics, the tank does not go like an iron, but flies, it flies over the pits. We drove along the highway, bypassed the Kamaz scows, the Kazakhs looked in horror (the highway and the tank road went in parallel. So, the difference is awesome, even the driver needs solid experience.
          2. 0
            3 June 2022 10: 39
            What a fucking horror!!!! Almost like a thirty-four
            1. +1
              3 June 2022 13: 35
              Only the gun is many times more powerful, it is more armored, there is an armament stabilizer and an ATGM for launching through the barrel.
              1. 0
                3 June 2022 13: 50
                Well, yes, well, yes, but why the hell do you switch the speed, it’s such a trifle, the Germans have a semi-automatic device on a tiger in 42. The box was already there and no one squirmed, it’s such a trifle
                1. -3
                  4 June 2022 15: 27
                  Quote: sh3roman
                  Well, yes, well, yes, but why the hell do you switch the speed, it’s such a trifle, the Germans have a semi-automatic device on a tiger in 42. The box was already there and no one squirmed, it’s such a trifle

                  And where are those "Tigers", and where are those Germans? smile
                  Seriously, even the Sherman and T26 had a problem with effort on the levers. According to the results of domestic tests of effort on the levers when turning in first gear, they measured 30-35 kg. The "Tiger" has 13-14 kg. The "Panther" - 6 kg. Of ours, the T-44 turned out to be the champion - only 12-13 kg.
                  Source - D. Shein.
                  The payment for German kilograms was the vulnerability of the transmission, which failed even without breaking through the armor - when the OFS hit the NLD. A plus cost and complexity of design, which for our industry automatically means "will not take off."

                  PS In case of claims about unequal testing conditions for our and foreign cars (they say, different efforts are needed to turn on the spot and with a radius) - there are test results for the T-34 in 1940:
                  Measurements of the efforts applied to the levers of the board. friction clutches, using a dynamometer, when turning the car 360 °, in 1st and 2nd gears, on dry soil and sand, gave the following results:
                  1. On dry ground:
                  a) In 1st gear on the spot - 18-24 kg (360 ° turn)
                  b) In 2nd gear with a minimum radius - 16-22 kg (360° turn)
                  2. On shallow sand:
                  a) In 1st gear on the spot - 18-30 kg (360 ° turn)
                  b) In 2nd gear with a minimum radius - 20-30 kg (360° turn)
                  1. +1
                    6 June 2022 08: 39
                    What a slow-witted you are ... I didn’t call for a semi-automatic to be installed on the T34, but I wrote that at the end of the 60s, 70s, at least T62, equip the semi-automatic with a box, 30 years after the tiger. There was an example, it could have been done for your soldiers, yet I repeat 30 years after the Germans
      2. +5
        1 June 2022 21: 48
        1) and who said that these tanks are for active tankers of the RA? except for the t-62, echelons with t-72 go there, for example, and 2) it’s easier to teach NM mobs, which are many, but there is little equipment
        1. +1
          2 June 2022 11: 52
          and who said that these tanks are for active RA tankers

          Truth. Most likely for the People's Militia. Or some other militias.
        2. 0
          4 June 2022 14: 25
          Disappointing. For tankers of the RF Armed Forces
          1. +1
            7 June 2022 12: 38
            disappoint, but then name the part number and proofs where our tankers are transferred from the conditional t-72b to the t-62
            1. 0
              7 June 2022 18: 42
              Why are they transplanted? Come to the hospital in Feodosia - show your documents and I will tell you more
              1. 0
                10 June 2022 11: 40
                themselves is not funny from what they wrote?
                1. -1
                  10 June 2022 12: 03
                  Am I supposed to be funny?
                  Calling the number of the military unit on the Internet, the servicemen of which are now behind the T62 levers, is not the most reasonable idea. I personally know the people who are now in the crews of these tanks.
                  Since I am in the hospital, this is the only place where, having seen a person and making sure that he is not a bot or not an ipso, I can convince that T62 is not only the DPR but also the Russian Armed Forces
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2022 23: 30
                    those. taking into account that echelons from t-72/80 are being driven there, why are the crews transferred to the current parts of the RA from the proven t-72B / B3 to the T-62M? With the same success, you can write on the fence about "I know, but you don't"
                    1. -1
                      21 June 2022 00: 25
                      Anything can be driven. And here it is? I wrote in absolutely simple and understandable Russian that I personally know the military personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation who are now operating some of these T62 tanks. I know exactly the place where the gratings were welded on them and so on. What is unclear or doubtful here?
                      Where it says that the crews are transferring.
                      What's the play on words? How annoying is the couch examination)))
                      Either one does not believe that the militias have mosquitoes on the blocks, they do not believe that not only the militias are in T62 tanks, and so on.
                      Go beyond Kherson, New Kakhovka, Pologi and so on. And there will be no more stupid statements.
                      And you don't have to say anything about the fence. Before insulting others with ridiculous phrases, study the subject of the dispute.
                      1. +1
                        22 June 2022 22: 18
                        oh ... send excuses that "military personnel of the armed forces" ... And it already turns out that they are not transferring ... it will soon turn out that these are volunteers from formed battalions. 72 .., so it would be nice for you to first think what to write, And then write
                      2. 0
                        22 June 2022 22: 38
                        Listen to Barberry. Full-time tankers of the full-time tank battalion of the RF Armed Forces, which are armed with t62. Is it clear now?
                        I have something to think what to write. I repeat that I know my colleagues. What else is not clear about this?
                        There are also volunteers on the T62, and there are militias and the Russian military. Is it clear now?
                      3. +1
                        23 June 2022 00: 38
                        those. at the time of the start of the SVO, did we have a whole full-time tank battalion equipped with decommissioned T-62s? Or something your words about "no one transplanted anyone and the T-62" somehow do not converge together .. Moreover, for some reason, the photo and videos from the T-62 in service with the corps were recently, videos from the t-62 volunteers of Ossetia too, but that’s to make sure that the tank battalion of the RA is numbered on the old t-62s .. this is already something new .. I can still believe that some colonel appropriated several T-62s that were sent to other parts by right "I have more stars" and this is from the category of incidents. I can also understand the volunteer formations, which were eventually given T-62s, since no one gives T -72b3 or T-80bvm, there will be no brooches ... In general, there are nuances that you decided to omit in order to give more dark colors, which I indicated earlier
                      4. 0
                        23 June 2022 08: 47
                        At the beginning of the NWO, I had not even heard of such a battalion. Now there are such battalions - at least two.
                        No need to attribute to me some kind of Jesuit methods).
                        I repeat once again at the moment there is a full-time tank battalion of the RF Armed Forces on T62 tanks. We leave the moment of its formation outside the brackets
                      5. +1
                        23 June 2022 12: 58
                        so decide: either you have tankers transferred from t-72 to t-62, or there are two battalions formed from volunteers, to whom the T-62 was sent. About "let's leave the moment of its formation outside the brackets" .. this is a very funny moment
                      6. 0
                        23 June 2022 13: 36
                        The military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with what fright volunteers? I have clearly stated the status
                      7. 0
                        23 June 2022 13: 37
                        You need to talk personally with the tankers and everything will become clear outside the brackets)
      3. +6
        1 June 2022 21: 57
        Tankers, by the way, the 62nd were very fond of the most comfortable and convenient tank for the crew ..
        1. +4
          1 June 2022 22: 16
          Quote: max702
          Tankers, by the way, the 62nd were very fond of the most comfortable and convenient tank for the crew ..
          Yes, in combat on the floor, stretched out to its full height, four of us can sleep + a seat at the driver's mechanic with a reclined back, it is quite comfortable.
          Both in Abrams and in Leopard, you can’t lie down in combat (three of the crew are sitting in a basket with a diameter slightly smaller than from side to side).
          Abrams Tower:
      4. +2
        1 June 2022 22: 22
        Well, Ukrainians take crews somewhere and retrain for all types of tanks that they are ready to give. Tractor drivers from all villages have been gathered, and they are being made into tankers. Is it really such an impossible task for us?
      5. -3
        2 June 2022 10: 05
        I think they will just not be happy to climb there.
      6. +1
        2 June 2022 20: 50
        It's okay, for the Adekbander muzzle of the 72/80/90 crew, there should be no problems with working on the T-62, the legendary pepelats. The machine does not tolerate a negative attitude, even the T-72, even the T-14. good
      7. 0
        3 June 2022 13: 55
        Quote: spirit
        Mobilize retirees in retirement

        “On June 2, a farewell ceremony will be held on the Central Square of Karachaevsk for retired Major General of the Russian Air Force Kanamat Khuseevich Botashev, who died heroically while performing his military duty,” the message says.

        Earlier, Baza reported about the death of Kanamat Botashev. According to the publication, he died in the sky over the Lugansk region on May 22: the Major General's plane was shot down, the pilot did not have time to eject.

        The head of the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, Rashid Temrezov, confirmed that the pilot died during a special operation in Ukraine, where he signed up as a volunteer.
        Major General was 63 years old
    3. -15
      1 June 2022 18: 42
      T-72s are being upgraded to T-72B3 for 55 mil. rubles. The T-72B3 outperforms all common NATO tanks in the European theater.
      The armor of the T-72B3 forehead is 600mm, the tower is more than 1000mm (like the Abrams M1A2) is not penetrated by a single shell that the Urks have, and they have bops only those that we left them in 1991 among them the most modern Mango, which has a regulatory armor penetration along the normal 450 mm, at an angle of 60 - 230 mm, i.e. T-72B3 are invulnerable to Urk shells (Javelins have armor penetration of about 600mm)
    4. -28
      1 June 2022 19: 17
      T-62 and T64 tanks of the same type. The first was produced by the Urals and the second by Kharkov. Years of production match. The only difference is that Kharkov has modernized its facility and is still modernizing it, and the Urals made a new T-72 tank, then T-90, then T-14. And the Ukrainians still have the main T-64 tank, well, yes, modernized, but the tank of those bearded years is the same as the T-62!
      1. +8
        1 June 2022 20: 37
        Quote: kova1967
        T-62 and T64 tanks of the same type. The first was produced by the Urals and the second by Kharkov.
        The Urals had their own tank, which was quite comparable to the T-64 and was more ready to be put into production (Object 167, AZ was ready for him already then, and the chassis later migrated to the T-72). But there was a political decision to produce the T-64, and since they could not bring it to mind in any way, and tanks with very good guns had already appeared in the West, it was decided that while the T-64 was being brought up, it would be easier to produce a tank with a more powerful one, than the T-55 cannon (to reach parity). Why did they cut off the rifling of a 100mm gun, getting a smoothbore 115mm, which was more powerful than the western ones. Well, the chassis of the T-55 was adapted for this case (the hull was slightly lengthened by changing the location of the rollers). That's how the T-62 appeared.
        1. +2
          2 June 2022 14: 33
          Quote: Bad_gr
          But there was a political decision to produce the T-64, and since they could not bring it to mind in any way, and tanks with very good guns had already appeared in the West, it was decided that while the T-64 was being brought up, it would be easier to produce a tank with a more powerful one, than the T-55 cannon (to reach parity). Why did they cut off the rifling of the 100mm gun, getting a smoothbore 115mm, which was more powerful than the western ones. Well, the chassis of the T-55 was adapted for this case (the hull was slightly lengthened by changing the location of the rollers). That's how the T-62 appeared.

          Ne is how it was, savsem is so. ©
          T-62 is 1961, Tagil, an evolutionary development of the T-55. Yes, compared to the T-55, this was a step forward, but this seemed to the military not enough.
          And in the year the T-62 was put into service, it was decided to develop a new tank in Kharkov - the future T-64, which was put into service only in 1966 in a version with a 115-mm gun. Two years later, the T-64A with a 125-mm gun was adopted.
          But Tagil struck back. When the production of a simplified and cheaper version of the T-64 for the internal and eastern districts was transferred to it (because the economy of the USSR would not have been able to withstand the rearmament of all armored vehicles, the basic version of the T-64), the plant instead rolled out its tank (the future T-72), and in parallel - an estimate for its re-equipment for the production of T-64 (several years of downtime and half the cost of a new plant). As a result, the party and the government decided that two MBT models would come out cheaper. smile
          1. -1
            3 June 2022 14: 09
            A more plausible version is that the T-64 tank is Ukrainian, and the T-62 is Russian. Design schools are different from each other, as well as the mentality of a Russian person from a Ukrainian one. For example, we can draw an analogy in the design of the 5TDF and V-55V engines, Ukrainian, if I may say so, "bicycle" with a two-stroke boxer diesel engine and the V12 operation scheme that has been proven over the years, not to mention maintenance and repair.
            1. 0
              3 June 2022 15: 06
              Quote: oppozite28
              A more plausible version is that the T-64 tank is Ukrainian, and the T-62 is Russian.

              So I write: T-62 is Tagil, T-64 is Kharkov, and T-72 is Tagil again. That is why the T-64 in the Russian Federation was driven into storage - a foreign car.

              If you are talking about tanks of the same generation, but of different models and places of production, then 2 simultaneously standing in the series and in service with armored personnel carriers of the same generation ("Kharkovsky" and "Tagilsky") appeared just after the appearance of the T-64 and T-72. Then a third MBT model of the same generation was added to them - the "Leningrad" T-80.
      2. +16
        1 June 2022 21: 17
        Quote: kova1967
        T-62 and T64 tanks of the same type.
        They have little in common. The T-62 is a classic medium tank, the T-64 is the first MBT with the latest sights, a 125 mm gun, a loading mechanism, puff armor, a powerful and compact diesel engine, etc. It surpassed the T-62 in all respects (at a price - many times more expensive), except for reliability.
    5. -2
      2 June 2022 02: 19
      If my sclerosis does not fail me, t-72, t-80, t-64, t-62 and t-55 began to be cut under Serdyukov.
      Literally for scrap.
      How much is left I do not know
      Can't find exact data.
      But cutting the T-80 and T-72 is just a Faberge sickle.
      Or maybe the industry cannot reopen these 72 and 80, so the rarity is being resurrected.
      In any case, the situation with the reactivation of the T-62 leads to not good thoughts.
      After all, there were 80, 72, 64 at the storage bases, and here 62.
      1. +1
        2 June 2022 14: 39
        Quote: Beetle1991
        If my sclerosis does not fail me, t-72, t-80, t-64, t-62 and t-55 began to be cut under Serdyukov.
        Literally for scrap.

        Only T-55 and T-62. T-64 as a "foreign car" was deposited.
        They couldn’t cut the T-72 under Serdyukov - because the new minister’s hobby was the modernization of old equipment (cheap, fast and lots), the symbol of which was the T-72B3. So the T-72s have become a precious resource for re-equipping armored vehicles.
        And the T-80s under Serdyukov hung in limbo. On the one hand, several formations were armed with them, on the other hand, the emphasis was on reducing diversity. So, if it were not for the complication of the international situation, which forced scrape the bottom of the barrel all reserves of more or less new technology, then they would most likely be exploited until the resource was knocked out.
    6. +3
      3 June 2022 10: 29
      After 3 months of no war, they got the T62 from storage, but we have no problems with cartridges and shells like in PMV ???
    7. -1
      3 June 2022 13: 53
      Is it time to dig out the T-62 and T-55?
      Why not dig it out. For example, the Tu-95 has been flying since 1956 and nothing, even the submariners of a conditionally probable enemy, being in the depths of the depths, hear the sound of the operation of its engines, and probably not without a slight shudder. Go and know that he has a competent crew or powerful ammunition inside, or maybe both.
      1. +1
        6 June 2022 12: 56
        Quote: oppozite28
        For example, the Tu-95 has been flying since 1956 and nothing

        I'll be tedious: the direct heirs of the Tu-95, which had been flying since 1956, were completely decommissioned in the early 90s.
        The current Tu-95MS is a side branch: a missile carrier made on the basis of a long-range anti-submarine aircraft, which in turn was made on the basis of a reconnaissance and target designation aircraft. "Ninety-fifth emes" was at first "one hundred and forty-second emes".
        1. 0
          6 June 2022 13: 21
          But how it flies is a guarantee of quality work: timely maintenance, availability of a BC for its intended purpose and well-coordinated work of the crew. Yes
  6. +31
    1 June 2022 18: 24
    From the creators of pearls "we are fighting for 3 months instead of 3 days simply because we are not in a hurry" and "we left Kyiv, Chernigov, Sumy (as well as Kharkov and Nikolaev) simply because we are kind and sensitive" - ​​meet , premiere: "howitzers of the 38th year, tanks of the 62nd year and infantry fighting vehicles of the 66th year are going to fight simply because we have vehicles in bulk."
    1. +24
      1 June 2022 18: 30
      Well, this is propaganda, a cover for miscalculations.)) Any reasonable person understands that a quick victory is better, and not resource-exhausting, bloody floundering.
      1. -3
        1 June 2022 18: 44
        Any reasonable person understands

        Any reasonable person understands that fast is not fast at all on the drum.
        The price of victory matters.
        For example, NVO could be completed in 40 minutes by inflicting a massive SNW strike on 404, or in a couple of days, too, but with TNW, or in a week with the mobilization of 2-3 million or much more FAST. But the price of all these solutions is unacceptable.
        1. -2
          1 June 2022 18: 58
          Quote: bk316
          SVO could be completed in 40 minutes by inflicting a massive attack on 404 strategic nuclear weapons

          Have you assessed the consequences of the application?
          NWO is not a war, and Ukraine is not Hiroshima
          1. +3
            1 June 2022 19: 36
            Yes, a man about how to conduct military operations. If it’s like NATO, then it’s a maximum for a month. Do you want the whole outskirts to be in the trash?
            1. +1
              1 June 2022 21: 07
              Quote: Sergei Klimov
              you want the whole outskirts in the trash

              No I do not want to.
              And the leadership of the Russian Federation does not want to.
              Therefore, Russia uses precision-guided weapons many times more than the United States has in recent decades.
              Carpet bombing, as in Belgrade or Raqqa, no one suits.
              Therefore, territories that have been strengthened for 8 years are not liberated in a month.
          2. 0
            2 June 2022 13: 34
            Have you assessed the consequences of the application?

            You will learn to read not a single comment, but the entire branch.
            I do not propose to use nuclear weapons, I explain to the person that the phrase
            Any reasonable person understands that a quick victory is better,

            generally incorrect. We must look not at speed, but at the price (or, in your words, at the consequences) The example of using nuclear weapons in NWO simply makes the picture extremely clear. And then carpet bombing, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, mobilization, and so on, are an acceptable way out for many.
        2. -3
          1 June 2022 22: 03
          The first option is great!! All the same it will be all in dust! And so there would be ORDERS less losses (any) ..
        3. -2
          2 June 2022 00: 31
          Quote: bk316
          The price of victory matters.

          "And the price of any victory is measured in coffins." (c) Alcor
          1. 0
            2 June 2022 13: 38
            I'll repeat if it doesn't work. Use nuclear weapons and hope that there will be no coffins from our side. If you only have enough brain for copy-paste, there is nothing to talk about with you.
            1. 0
              3 June 2022 07: 20
              Quote: bk316
              I'll repeat if it doesn't work.

              Can you tell me where you personally live with your family?
              Quote: bk316
              Use nuclear weapons and hope that there will be no coffins from our side.

              as soon as someone launches rockets, it will immediately be produced
              a counter-retaliatory strike in a couple of waves and no air defense / missile defense will help, it’s clear that 2/3 of the population will die, as I understand it personally, you are going to get into this 1/3, but here, like in Russian roulette, it may turn out that the living will envy dead.
              Quote: bk316
              If you only have enough brain for copy-paste, there is nothing to talk about with you.

              It’s time for you “marshal” to retire to places “where Makar didn’t drive calves” and use two sticks to relieve themselves ...
              1. 0
                3 June 2022 12: 30
                This is you "marshal"

                With a military expert who cannot distinguish the shoulder straps of an army general from a marshal, I personally have nothing to discuss. laughing
        4. 0
          2 June 2022 11: 57
          Any reasonable person understands that fast is not fast at all on the drum.

          Well, actually these things are very much related to each other.
          The faster the operation goes, the less troops are mobilized in Ukraine, the less weapons they will have time to supply - in the first months, for example, no heavy weapons were supplied at all. And the less will be all possible losses.
          1. -1
            2 June 2022 14: 27
            Well, actually these things are very much related to each other.

            And the less will be all possible losses.

            You think like a squad leader. Try to think a little wider.
            If you follow your advice, it is necessary to smash the fortified areas with carpet bombing, and completely destroy the civilian infrastructure. After that, go to this territory and just see how the remnants of Ukraine are bent. Quickly and losses are negligible.

            Am I describing your approach correctly? Doesn't it remind you of anything?
            If not, I'll explain. We do not have a goal to destroy the Ukrainians, not even a goal to destroy their state. Killing 40% of the civilians and then saying "look what a wonderful Russian world come into it" is simply stupid. Therefore, we have to protect the population MORE than our military. Simply because this is potentially OUR population, and I am sure that these areas will become part of the Russian Federation. How will you look into the eyes of our citizens even if they are hackers, if their house is destroyed and their children are disabled.
    2. +3
      1 June 2022 18: 32
      T-34-85 are still available ...
      1. +1
        1 June 2022 18: 37
        Nah, you'll have to buy it from some Mnyama. They are no longer anywhere except the Mosfilm Regiment (or whatever it is called)
        1. +3
          1 June 2022 19: 26
          Quote: Nexcom
          They are no longer anywhere except the Mosfilm Regiment

          Yes, the current was brought from Laos, it was shown on all TVs for a long time.
          1. +1
            1 June 2022 19: 39
            so they were brought for the kin - Kuzhugetovich personally bothered for these purposes - do you seriously think that they will put them in the service? By the way, they turned out to be Czechoslovak-made, not USSR ones.
      2. +5
        1 June 2022 18: 46
        Three-rulers went into action ...
        1. -2
          1 June 2022 19: 38
          Come on? Why lie.
          1. +2
            1 June 2022 20: 03
            Three-rulers with a body kit and optics are the most in sniper business.
            1. -2
              1 June 2022 23: 09
              Quote from Vaddebrus
              Three-rulers with a body kit and optics are the most in sniper business.

              American snipers in Afghanistan, at the first opportunity, changed their Barrets to three-rulers with a body kit and optics. The most, they say, in a sniper business.
              1. 0
                3 June 2022 10: 48
                Your banter will be taken at face value
          2. +2
            1 June 2022 23: 43
            Seen on video. A whole squad of militias, with mosquitoes.
    3. -2
      1 June 2022 18: 42
      Quote: ares1988
      From the creators of pearls "we are at war for 3 months instead of 3 days

      Everyone goes to the store in a tuxedo, and to work - in a Ferrari.
      Is not it?

      I agree with the comment above about the practice of the Germans during the Second World War
    4. +3
      1 June 2022 19: 30
      meet the premiere: "howitzers of the 38th year, tanks of the 62nd year and infantry fighting vehicles of the 66th year are going to fight simply because we have vehicles in bulk."
      Do you offer them from storage warehouses directly to the museum? I don't understand this hysteria. The T-62 is an excellent self-propelled artillery support for motorized rifles right from the battle formations. This is now not an MBT, but a sniper self-propelled gun. The only thing that is not clear is why they came naked without DZ.
      T-62M, put into service in 1983 with an automated fire control system "Volna" and the possibility of using guided weapons of the 116-2 "Sheksna" complex. The rocket projectile for the Sheksna received support belts on the body, which contribute to stable movement along the unrifled barrel of a 115-mm gun. The missile is guided by a laser beam using a sight - a 1K13 guidance device. The task of the operator (gunner) is to keep the crosshairs of the sight on the target, while the rocket automatically flies in the control field of the laser beam. The target engagement range is from 100 to 4000 meters. Flight speed 370 m/s. Armor penetration - up to 600 mm. The probability of hitting at maximum range is up to 80%.
      1. +2
        1 June 2022 21: 58
        By the way, the Syrian militants did not feel much difference when they worked on either the M-30 or the D-30 .. and this and that hurt
        1. -1
          1 June 2022 23: 48
          You know, for gunners, it also makes no difference what they use - M-30 or D-30. The same work, the same projectile, the same panorama.
      2. 0
        2 June 2022 00: 28
        Quote: Sergey Venediktov
        The only thing that is not clear is why they came naked without DZ.

        Exactly because we, despite having enough money, modernized BMP 1 and BMP 2 instead of buying BMP 3. Because this is capitalism. When to spit on people for personal gain.
        1. +1
          3 June 2022 10: 25
          installing DZ on tanks is a problematic thing, well, it’s quite possible that they will put it on the ground, you need to look when they will glow in parts
  7. +1
    1 June 2022 18: 34
    Something I can’t believe that Russia has run out of T-72s in storage. The T-62 is a reliable, time-tested machine. But as far as I understand, people are now much more expensive than technology. At least I like to think so.
    1. +1
      1 June 2022 18: 43
      It seems not, in the same Melitopol, after the echelon with the T-62, the echelon with the T-72BA was seen.
    2. 0
      1 June 2022 22: 06
      Quote: certero
      But as far as I understand now, people are much more expensive than technology.

      7 lyam for the deceased .. Here's the price ..
  8. +5
    1 June 2022 18: 37
    Why, for example, is this tank worse than the 122-mm regimental self-propelled guns "Gvozdika", which very often in Ukraine works with direct fire?
    The fact that the SG 2S1 "Gvozdika" is capable of firing overhead fire, and therefore at the range of a DIRECT shot from the 5UTS "Molot" cannon of the T-62 tank, the howitzer can cover it from behind cover without going into a direct clash.
    Also, the T-62, due to the small elevation angle, has a small maximum firing range, it is a little less than 10 meters, unlike the SG 000S2 "Gvozdika" capable of sending its shells to 1 ... 15 meters
    1. +4
      1 June 2022 19: 29
      Quote: svp67
      "Carnation", which very often in Ukraine works with direct fire?
      The fact that the SG 2S1 "Gvozdika" is capable of firing with mounted fire

      You kind of quoted a question, but answered another one.
      If you have to use self-propelled guns for an attack, then a tank with a gun will be more needed than a howitzer.
    2. +4
      1 June 2022 21: 59
      in the city, as it were, carnations worked on the upper floors just because of the lack of tanks, and the T-62 is quite a good armored car
    3. 0
      1 June 2022 23: 35
      Quote: svp67
      Also, the T-62, due to the low elevation angle, has a small maximum firing range, it is slightly less than 10 meters

      And, most likely, the dispersion in range will be monstrous.
    4. 0
      2 June 2022 00: 34
      Quote: svp67
      Also, in the T-62, due to the small elevation angle, the maximum firing range is small

      And you put him on the reverse slope as a fighter and you can shoot even further. And in general, the salabons relaxed. Used to shoot into the white light like a penny. Meanwhile, with a halberd, you can crush a bunch of enemies in hand-to-hand combat and it is many times cheaper.
      1. 0
        2 June 2022 09: 09
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        And you put him on the reverse slope as a fighter and you can shoot even further.

        Hey, newbie, for such an increase in range and a self-pulling log is enough ...
        1. -2
          2 June 2022 11: 16
          Quote: svp67
          And you put it on the back slope .....
          In this case, a projectile fired from a T-62 cannon can fly 16 km, but it can only hit the city, which ours do not practice.
          1. 0
            2 June 2022 12: 37
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In this case, a projectile fired from a T-62 cannon can fly 16 km, but it can only hit the city, which ours do not practice.

            It was sad sarcasm. It looks like you still need to put tags. People in the mass can not in subtlety.
        2. +2
          2 June 2022 12: 36
          Quote: svp67
          Hey, newbie, for such an increase in range and a self-pulling log is enough ...

          I'm sorry I didn't recognize the trsh marshal. laughing
  9. +3
    1 June 2022 18: 48
    In Russia, several thousand T-62 tanks are stored in the mobilization reserve (according to some sources, up to 2 vehicles), so why not use this armada in the interests of a special operation

    I think the author should have looked at how they are "stored" and what the car turns into as a result of forty years of "storage".
    If, on the merits of the article, I don’t understand in any way, whether these are wet dreams of a teenager, whether they are a propaganda entry in order to explain to the public that “zrada” and “gandba” are actually a victory.
    1. +1
      1 June 2022 19: 59
      the author should have seen how they are "stored" and what the car turns into as a result of forty years of "storage".
      They are adequately stored with regular visits to landfills. Romanians during the exercises on the T-55 fill up 8 out of 11 Abrams



      According to the publication, “Romania was represented at the exercises by the TR-85 Bizon vehicles, which form the basis of the country’s armored forces and are a deeply modernized version of the Soviet T-55, produced in the USSR in the 50s. last century".

      “During the exercise, a training meeting of the Romanian TR-85-M1 Bizons against the American M1 Abrams was held. Our tankers knocked out 8 out of 11 American vehicles. According to the crews, after the training battle, the Americans looked very annoyed, ”Nabat quotes the Romanian newspaper Ziare.
      1. -4
        1 June 2022 20: 07
        They are adequately stored with regular visits to landfills. Romanians during the exercises ...

        I don’t know about the Romanians, but what I saw looked something like in this article below, where photos of equipment storage are shown.
        https://topwar.ru/196924-tjazhelaja-bronja-dlja-rossijskoj-pehoty.html
        I don’t presume to say that the entire fleet is kept like this, perhaps something is really in good condition with regular trips and maintenance work in the hangars.
        1. +2
          1 June 2022 20: 34
          Quote: moscowp
          but what I saw looked something like in this article

          There is a photo of a tank standing on a platform, it is also from storage and outwardly it looks quite decent ... and it is clear that the paint is clearly not fresh, that is, these vehicles were well looked after and looked after.
        2. +1
          1 June 2022 20: 47
          really something in good condition with regular visits and routine maintenance in the hangars.

          "The devil is in the details."

          Therefore this somethingthat arrived in really good condition with regular visits and maintenance work in the hangars





          https://vladimirkrym.livejournal.com/7440072.html

      2. +1
        3 June 2022 14: 02
        Quote: Sergey Venediktov
        Our tankers knocked out 8 of 11 American vehicles

        Did you shoot regular ammunition? It's just that if you took abrams into sight, it's not a fact that you will break through it
    2. +6
      1 June 2022 20: 25
      Quote: moscowp
      I think the author should have looked at how they are "stored" and what the car turns into as a result of forty years of "storage".

      And into what? Taking into account the fact that every FIVE years, these machines must be removed from storage, subjected to a full check and go to the control run, and then put back into storage, with the obligatory elimination of all identified deficiencies. And between these events, the equipment is required to carry out work on TO-1X and TO-2X, according to the schedule
  10. +7
    1 June 2022 18: 49
    And near Tskhinval, tankers of the 42nd Guards Motorized Rifle Division repeatedly destroyed Georgian T-72s. Of course, not on the forehead, but when they hit the sides from an ambush.

    Moreover, even the first T-42 models went to South Ossetia from the 62nd Motor Rifle Division - bald and eyebrowless.
  11. -4
    1 June 2022 18: 54
    It seems that the author is justifying himself due to the fact that ours began to introduce the t-62. NOT GOOD! Why use new tanks to protect occupied facilities if outdated but no less effective ones can handle it. New technology must be protected! DNR and LNR in 2014 used the tanks of the Great Patriotic War removed from the pedestals and very effectively.
    1. -13
      1 June 2022 19: 29
      The joke is that this rubbish for so much (well, let it be 20 years) was not disposed of, not sold. We also bought 34s.
    2. +5
      1 June 2022 21: 20
      Quote: kova1967
      New technology must be protected!
      People need to be protected, stop saving equipment, it's just money.
  12. +1
    1 June 2022 18: 57
    For some reason, no one talks about the 2000 T-64BV, which fought not so long ago. in Transnistria. And they were not Ukrainian hi
    1. +3
      1 June 2022 19: 17
      All disposed of thanks to "brilliant" agreements.
    2. +1
      1 June 2022 19: 58
      2000 tanks that fought in Transnistria? Hm...
      1. 0
        1 June 2022 20: 03
        Read carefully. I did not write that 2000 t-64s fought in Transnistria. 2000 are on conservation. In Transnistria, T-64s fought in only one episode. In the battle near the bridge to Bendery
        1. +1
          2 June 2022 09: 54
          Re-read. I won’t quibble much, but you must admit that it’s hard to understand from your phrases where 2000 T-64 tanks are located or fought.

          And I remember watching the tanks on the Bendery bridge 30 years ago on TV. The camera was in a building right at the end of the bridge on the west bank. Maybe it was a live broadcast.
  13. +11
    1 June 2022 19: 12
    Let's hope that these are tanks for the RG.
    Cycle of T-62 in nature. smile At a time when the RG was still called BB, it had its own T-62s. When the big battles in Chechnya died down, the tanks were taken away from the Vovans, along with artillery. It was believed that armored personnel carriers and mortars would be enough to fight small gangs, comb through the greenery and clean up the residential sector. In extreme cases, the 19th and 42nd Motor Rifle Divisions with tanks stand behind them.
    Now that the BBs have become RGs, and the RGs have been hung up to guard the rear of the army in the field, it turned out that in the absence of a solid front line in this rear, not only bandits and entourage with light riflemen making their way to their own, but also full-fledged motorized rifle companies with tanks and light BTT (in the news there were several times about the battles of the RG with enemy armored groups). There is little hope for the army - it has enough of its own tasks. So it's time to return the tanks to the Vovans. smile
    1. 0
      1 June 2022 19: 43
      OMON (RG) and VV (drunks on conscription) are heaven and earth. No need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence. The T-62M recently went through Syria, and as an MBT against relatively modern ATGMs of the Tou-2 type, they proved to be worthy. the Syrians competently used from deep positions at strongholds
      1. -1
        2 June 2022 14: 11
        Quote: Sergey Venediktov
        OMON (RG) and VV (drunks on conscription) are heaven and earth.

        In fact, the basis of the WG, what it was formed from, is the very same internal troops that have changed their departmental affiliation.
        In order to ensure state and public security, protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, guided by Article 80 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and until the adoption of the relevant federal law,
        About this topic:
        1. Form the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation.
        2. To transform the internal troops of the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation into the troops of the national guard of the Russian Federation.

        And OMON, SOBR and FSUE "Protection" were additionally hung on the VV-RG.
        4. To include in the structure of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation:
        a) governing bodies and units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, exercising federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security activities, as well as private security, including the Special Purpose Center for Private Security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs affairs of the Russian Federation;
        b) special quick response units of the territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation;
        c) special-purpose mobile units of the territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation;
        d) the Special Purpose Center for Rapid Response and Aviation Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the aviation units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.
        5. Transfer the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Okhrana of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation to the jurisdiction of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation.
        © Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of April 5, 2016 N 157 "Issues of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation".
        It's just that these guys, unlike the former BBs, are more heard and seen.
      2. 0
        4 June 2022 14: 46
        Drunkards on call? Have you confused anything?
    2. -9
      1 June 2022 19: 55
      how was VVshnikov called? Vova??? laughing First time I hear about this. wassat
      1. -1
        1 June 2022 21: 22
        Quote: Nexcom
        how was VVshnikov called? Vova??? laughing First time I hear about this. wassat
        And do not confuse "Vovans" with "Vovchiks", "this is different."
        1. 0
          2 June 2022 14: 12
          Quote: bk0010
          And do not confuse "Vovans" with "Vovchiks", "this is different."

          Oh, does anyone else remember "Vovchiks" and "Yurchiks"?
      2. -2
        2 June 2022 10: 14
        It is strange that in the first. Vovans and there were also Vevers.
    3. 0
      2 June 2022 04: 36
      What is characteristic of the T-62 is "bald", although there were at least two upgrade options with the installation of the NKDZ, one is relatively fresh (T-62M 2005).
    4. 0
      4 June 2022 14: 45
      Not for the RG, but for the very Red Army
  14. +3
    1 June 2022 19: 15
    We were told tales about the Armata and the T 90. And they drove the T62 to the special operation, which does not hold modern RPGs. Our soldiers have never been protected. It is strange that Shoigu retained his post, and not in prison.
    1. +1
      1 June 2022 21: 49
      It depends on what T-72. The tanks that came to the NVO zone, well ... let them be from Kamenka or another training regiment, already upon arrival, even in the B3 modification, they are not very new. With great mileage and shot. And now some are getting, I don’t know how much, but I know for sure that there are such, T-90.
      All these BMP-1,2 must be transferred to second-line vehicles and saturate the rear units with them to protect communications or advanced units as second-line vehicles or as heavy remotely controlled reconnaissance and suppression points. As small air defense systems for ATGM and UAV hunters, anti-sabotage machine gun and mortar escort vehicles for columns, light artillery reconnaissance and target designation vehicles, front line, supply and evacuation electronic warfare, UAV carrier, minesweeper ... and we all want them to the front ... how sad...
  15. +1
    1 June 2022 19: 18
    Campaign all "thousands of tanks" in storage and availability is just another lie, like 80% of modern equipment in the troops.
    1. 0
      1 June 2022 20: 36
      Quote: MrFYGY
      Campaign all "thousands of tanks" in storage and availability is just another lie, like 80% of modern equipment in the troops

      The mythical 7000 T-72s were in the early 90s. Now most of them have either been sawn up, or donated for no reason (especially to Syria), or illiquid.
      But there are tanks. We can restore somewhere around 1000 T-72, T-80. The main problem is the lack of new production of tanks and the lack of crews.
      1. +1
        2 June 2022 11: 47
        What does "restore" mean? Where will we get matrices for thermal imagers? Or will we stop the special operation for the night with a green rocket?
        1. 0
          2 June 2022 14: 49
          Quote: Torvlobnor IV
          What does "restore" mean? Where will we get matrices for thermal imagers?

          What thermal imagers? What are you talking about, dear? We have about 1000 T-72B, T-80BV at the BKhVT, which can be restored and put into operation relatively quickly (3-4 months). They do not and never have had any thermal imagers.
          With thermal imagers, this is the T-72BZ.
          Quote: Torvlobnor IV
          Or will we stop the special operation for the night with a green rocket?

          "I'll tell you one smart thing, but don't be offended."
          Most of the tanks participating in the "special operation" from our side and almost 100% from the Bandera one do not have any thermal imagers.
          1. +2
            2 June 2022 18: 34
            Well, let's say they took a T-62 with congenital "night blindness" from storage and put it in a "secondary" direction at a checkpoint. And what is the use of such a tank without a thermal imager if the checkpoint comes at night to nightmare the enemy DRG, which will have thermal imagers? Even if there are portable night vision devices at the checkpoint, how will they help a blind tank see the target? A modern tank without a thermal imager is nonsense! The same Polish more than 200 T-72M1Rs, transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, have both a thermal imaging sight and a night vision device for the crew. For the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the war, several hundred T-64 mod. 2017. Thermal imagers, satellite navigation and digital communications are present.
        2. 0
          3 June 2022 14: 11
          Quote: Torvlobnor IV
          Where will we get matrices for thermal imagers

          In the same place where all the other components for rockets and other products are. That is, nowhere:
          Deliveries of microprocessor technology to both countries from Taiwan are prohibited only if at least one of the three conditions is met:

          A performance level of 5 gigaflops or higher is achieved, or the arithmetic logic unit has a capacity of more than 32 bits;
          The clock frequency of the electronic component exceeds 25 MHz (namely megahertz);
          One or more ports or interfaces provide transfer rates greater than 25 MB/s between components.
          Additionally, a limitation on design has been introduced: microcircuits approved for shipment to the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus must have no more than 144 contacts. In addition, it will be impossible to supply certain types of lithographic equipment used for the manufacture of microcircuits from Taiwan to these countries.
  16. +2
    1 June 2022 19: 19
    Quote: certero
    Something I can’t believe that Russia has run out of T-72s in storage. The T-62 is a reliable, time-tested machine. But as far as I understand, people are now much more expensive than technology. At least I like to think so.

    T72 will go for modernization.
    They may be needed later. God forbid of course
  17. -5
    1 June 2022 19: 24
    Like it or not, but this is not from a good life.
    Well, okay, at least we have a dofiga and more different armored vehicles both in the troops and at storage bases.
    But what is NATO counting on in the event of a global expansion of the conflict and the outbreak of hostilities in Poland and beyond? They don't have that many heavy armored vehicles. And as practice shows (unlike theorists and all sorts of "analysts" and "analogue politicians"), tanks will remain an actual force on the battlefield for a long time to come.
    1. 0
      1 June 2022 19: 43
      Do they have anything in storage? Look, the Slovaks handed over theirs, the Germans have leopards 1. And you still need to get to Poland
  18. 0
    1 June 2022 19: 34
    Quote: MrFYGY
    All disposed of thanks to "brilliant" agreements.

    According to the Ministry of Defense, 2000 tanks are on conservation
    1. 0
      1 June 2022 19: 55
      Can I have a link to info, please?
      According to my information, they were all written off, most of them for scrap, some of the tower was removed and, as it were, "disposed of".
  19. +15
    1 June 2022 19: 42
    If I'm not mistaken, a week ago they wrote about the t62 echelon that it was a fake. And they defended it diligently in the comments. And those who said that the truth was minus. Now it turns out they are still what tanks.
    1. -2
      1 June 2022 20: 03
      Now it turns out they are still what tanks.

      it all depends on the training of the crews

      1. +11
        2 June 2022 09: 18
        Globally, everything depends on the design of the exercises. The side can initially be lost, even before the first engine is started. This Bizon, who participated in the exercises, has a good SLA, which is slightly inferior to Abrams, there is a thermal imager, and a computer and a leopard engine. The T-62 from the Siberian tank-born has none of this.

        In general, they carry not only the T-62, but in general everything that is possible, for example, the T-80 with DH.



        Here in the T-80 with a DH, I would never have sat down, it’s better to be in a penal battalion with a mosquito, there are more chances to survive than on a capricious 80-ke, which will cut off at any second and various excesses are frequent even with normal regulations, and here canned food from Gorbachev's time.

        By the way, the other side is already outnumbering these reinforcements. T-72M1R were not destroyed by calibers, but quite already in Bakhmut. These tanks have a good FCS with an Asteria thermal imager, modern communications.
    2. +4
      1 June 2022 20: 04
      here and this still happens - I'm talking about minusers.
  20. 0
    1 June 2022 20: 07
    Quote: MrFYGY
    Can I have a link to info, please?
    According to my information, they were all written off, most of them for scrap, some of the tower was removed and, as it were, "disposed of".

    https://alexandr-palkin.livejournal.com/7305415.html
  21. +1
    1 June 2022 20: 09
    Quote: neden
    If I'm not mistaken, a week ago they wrote about the t62 echelon that it was a fake. And they defended it diligently in the comments. And those who said that the truth was minus. Now it turns out they are still what tanks.

    If you notice, here we are not talking about the echelon with the T-62, but about the possibility of using them. Or did you not read the article?
    1. 0
      2 June 2022 08: 40
      I'm not talking about the article, but about the comments. About the echelon it was just in the context of the fact that we do not use this junk
  22. 0
    1 June 2022 20: 32
    An excellent car, a mobile gun, just install a modern FCS and cover it with mobile ATGMs, such as Chrysanthemums.
  23. 0
    1 June 2022 20: 33
    Already discussed. The problem here is not so much that the T-62 is bad, but in the training of crews and in a sufficient amount of ammunition of normal quality. Plus an increase in the already large variety of tanks. In this regard, the use of the T-62 is not very reasonable.
    PS Contrary to well-known myths, the T-62MV is in service with the Russian army. One battalion of T-62MV from the Marines. In SVO has not yet shone. T-62M from Melitopol are other tanks.
  24. 0
    1 June 2022 20: 34
    Quote: neden
    Do they have anything in storage? Look, the Slovaks handed over theirs, the Germans have leopards 1. And you still need to get to Poland

    I don't think they have a thousand pieces in storage. And of course there is. I'm talking about NATO.
    In Ukraine, most likely, everything that can be raked out has already been raked out.
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  27. -3
    1 June 2022 20: 49
    Quote: Alex Kron
    most of the outdated BMP-1 and even BMP-2 would be good to replace with T-62M / MV.

    This is no longer in any gate does not climb.
  28. +5
    1 June 2022 20: 57
    Quote: Sergey Venediktov
    I don't understand this hysteria. T-62

    Quote: Sergey Venediktov
    I don't understand this hysteria. T-62

    Quote: Sergey Venediktov
    I don't understand this hysteria. T-62

    I understand that Soviet equipment is reliable and indestructible, but where is the equipment that was shown at parades (10-15 years ago). Which was purchased for TRILLIONS that were allocated for rearmament of the army.
    The equipment that fought in Afghanistan (40 years ago) is fighting - Mi-8, BMP-1,2, Su-25, now the T-62. And the fighters just move "on horseback" on armored vehicles. Zin!! hi hi
    1. +3
      3 June 2022 11: 40
      Offshore around the world, in villas, palaces, yachts, helicopters, planes and mistresses around the world
  29. +1
    1 June 2022 21: 17
    On the T-62, there are more chances to survive after the defeat. So on the one hand it is correct, but on the other ...
    Do you remember how they laughed at Leopard-1? They say junk is being pushed to Ukraine. Marders there, M113.
    And we have ... and we have the T-62 ...
    And when will they start delivering the M60A1 or later modifications? What then? Even on the BPS (not OBPS) it will take the T-62 in the lobeshnik.
    Let me remind you that the front of the T-62 is a plate of 100 mm at an angle of 60 degrees.
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  31. +2
    1 June 2022 22: 20
    We passed the woods, and immediately became audible continuous rumble of loudspeakers, crackling exhausts, irritated screams. Ahead, on a gentle grassy slope rising to the north, tanks stood in three rows. People wandered between them, gray smoke was exfoliating. "And here are our coffins!" - someone in front said loudly and cheerfully.
    “Look what they give us,” Guy said. “Pre-war tanks, imperial rubbish, tin cans… Listen, Mack, are we going to die here? After all, this is true death ...
    © Inhabited Island

    in fact, the T-62 can bring considerable benefits. If they are used not as a breakthrough tank (as in the novel), but as firing points, artillery, or in any other reasonable way. 100 mm is 100 mm, whatever one may say.
  32. 0
    2 June 2022 06: 14
    Judging by the equipment that is fighting in Ukraine, and this is mainly the tree of the 70s-80s, then the T-62 will be just in place, it is better protected and armed than the BTR80, BMP1, 2, and the sixty-two gun is capable of hitting any equipment in this military operations. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw PT76 tanks
    1. 0
      2 June 2022 08: 37
      You do not forget that the armored personnel carrier is carrying infantry, and the tank is only its crew. Miscellaneous purpose
      1. 0
        2 June 2022 08: 48
        Often, vehicles for transporting infantry (which are weakly armored for the sake of buoyancy) provide fire support and work on various fortifications where the T62 will be most effective.
      2. 0
        2 June 2022 09: 11
        All basically ride on top of the armor.
  33. +1
    2 June 2022 09: 00
    T-62: the potential for use in the special operation "Z"

    Without remote sensing, the battlefield is too risky in conditions of saturation with anti-tank weapons. From closed positions, when firing at squares, mortars are allowed.
  34. +3
    2 June 2022 09: 07
    All clear. From the lack of modern technology, the old men had to be commissioned. And what will happen if NATO attacks us directly. Can we mobilize? Will we have modern military equipment?
    1. 0
      2 June 2022 09: 09
      On the other hand, the T62 is better than the BMP1
    2. mva
      -1
      7 June 2022 16: 51
      Mobilization takes time. What makes you think that it will be in the war with NATO?
      If not in the subject, then compare the intensity of US fire on Iraq and the Russian Federation now. The volume of high-precision missiles (mainly axes) that the United States launched in the first 4 days of the Russian Federation and did not catch up with in 3 months. And if vigorous weapons are used and there is no need to think about any mobilization at all.
  35. +1
    2 June 2022 09: 09
    A platoon of soldiers with a T-62 tank is a much more dangerous force than a platoon of soldiers without a tank. So it can and should be used.
  36. +1
    2 June 2022 09: 52
    Quote: Mister X
    Quote: bk316
    SVO could be completed in 40 minutes by inflicting a massive attack on 404 strategic nuclear weapons

    Have you assessed the consequences of the application?
    NWO is not a war, and Ukraine is not Hiroshima

    Figase ... That's what place NWO is not a war? The fact that the outskirts are not Hiroshima is understandable. One is a city and the other is a sub-state. And NWO is not a war because they said so in the Kremlin? So you trust them more. They love it.
  37. 0
    2 June 2022 10: 06
    Quote: By outsiders V.
    Re-read. I won’t quibble much, but you must admit that it’s hard to understand from your phrases where 2000 T-64 tanks are located or fought.

    I wrote about 2000 in the context of previous comments about storing tanks in conservation. About 62 pieces were written about the T-2500.
  38. 0
    2 June 2022 10: 07
    Quote: By outsiders V.
    And I remember watching the tanks on the Bendery bridge 30 years ago on TV. The camera was in a building right at the end of the bridge on the west bank. Maybe it was a live broadcast.

    In the late 70s, I swam next to this bridge in the Dniester ... And we lived in Parkany hi
  39. 0
    2 June 2022 10: 22
    That's why then it was necessary from 2014 to the present in various TV programs to laugh at 404 with their handicrafts and junk that the West "shoves" them? They write the T-62 is a good car if it is equipped with a modern FCS and this and that. And are they equipped with these tanks or not? And everyone counts money on iron, but not on the lives of our servicemen.
    1. -1
      2 June 2022 13: 00
      how do you know how these tanks will be used?
      1. 0
        2 June 2022 15: 33
        how do you know how they won't be used?
        1. -1
          2 June 2022 15: 39
          judging by the comments of experts here, they will not go on the attack
          1. 0
            2 June 2022 15: 43
            and according to the comments of experts there - on the line?
            1. -2
              2 June 2022 15: 44
              on which line? put up at roadblocks
              1. -2
                3 June 2022 09: 10
                On the front line.
                And about
                "put at roadblocks"
                Ours is usually smooth on paper, especially if you remember the wooden "decorations" on military vehicles.
                1. 0
                  3 June 2022 09: 11
                  what to guess, we will see why these tanks were transferred
  40. 0
    2 June 2022 10: 30
    It is clear that it is not from a good life that you have to extract all sorts of junk from the storerooms. But no one has a good life today. Therefore, we must get used to the harsh conditions of the world war and act rationally in both large and small. From this point of view, old weapons have every right to be used. The main thing is that the benefits of using it outweigh the costs.
    1. 0
      3 June 2022 11: 45
      Well, how can I say all sorts of shuvals, chemezes, grefs, etc. there. how they got billions and they get it, and they definitely won’t go to war with the state fool and non-government
  41. -1
    2 June 2022 10: 51
    It is necessary to place an order for 103 armored personnel carriers for the Ministry of Defense to modernize the T-62M with an electromechanical mast. People work and the army has tanks to hold the line of defense that can be dug into the ground as stationary firing points where the mast will perform the functions of observation and identification of targets.
  42. +1
    2 June 2022 11: 35
    The author's conclusions are absolutely reasonable and the use of the T-62 is extremely logical. In addition, they can and should be used as a means of strengthening artillery groups to obtain a concentration of 30-40 barrels per kilometer, to break through the defense in depth. The OF18 high-explosive fragmentation projectile can hit targets at a distance of up to 9.8 km, which is not bad at all. In addition, ammunition for the T-62 is most likely suitable for storage periods and it is very logical to use them against the enemy than to spend energy and money on disposal.
    1. -2
      2 June 2022 11: 50
      "... than to waste energy and money on recycling."
      Everything would be so good if they were unmanned. And then, after all, during the "logical use against the enemy" they will plan to put living people there.
  43. +1
    2 June 2022 11: 50
    T-62 can only be sent into battle equipped with a remote control system. That is, making a robot out of it
    1. +2
      2 June 2022 14: 34
      I agree, you can’t send an outdated tank to war, in any capacity. You understand, as soon as the tank gets into the unit, the “desire” of the commanders will immediately arise to use it. I have another proposal to make special vehicles based on the T-62, heavy infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles. the same excellent modules "Epoch", "Bakhcha".
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  45. +2
    2 June 2022 15: 49
    Thousands of T-72 tanks withdrawn from Europe were abandoned in the open air ... And a good 62 melted into conservation. Tankers of the Russian Federation have no idea about the procedure for placing tanks for long-term storage ... And all the "tales" that these vehicles are very good - lie ... The shells for 72 were also destroyed ... for US money ... And 62-2 were preserved ... The problem of our army is a catastrophic shortage of ammunition ... The power that came to me as a result of a white state coup in 91 did a lot to weaken the army .... Let's remember for what purpose the internal troops were destroyed ... Namely, in order to open and destroy strategic reserves ... Which was done ... The reserves of the USSR were designed for 5 years ... And in the Russian Federation? ... If there is already a shortage of ammunition ....
  46. +6
    2 June 2022 18: 11
    I saw how our strikers work with a 105mm gun - M1128. Quite excellent. As a means of fire support - it's the most. But (as always - the opposite word BUT). Our strikers have excellent night vision and fire control systems. Many times better than on the old T62 (By the way, on the Leopard 1, NVG and FCS are also better than on the T-62).
    Another thing is that the Strikers did not work against tanks (at least when I served). They quickly arrived, fired at the target, and left. Or they went FOR the infantry and supported it with fire. But they were created as a fire support vehicle, and are simply NOT INTENDED to confront the MBT, and our generals and officers UNDERSTAND this.

    I think that if you attach normal night vision devices and fire control systems, and electronic warfare and active protection to the T-62, and UNDERSTAND that the T-62 in a modern war is not able to withstand modern MBTs, and go into frontal attacks against enemy positions with ATGMs, then in as a support SPG is quite suitable (a kind of equivalent of Brumbar, or Sturmhaubitz 105, only with a turret). the only thing that is the fact that a smoothbore 115mm gun IS inferior to a rifled 105mm gun in terms of ACCURACY, slightly surpassing it in the strength of a HE projectile. By the way, MECAR (and other Western companies) make very modern BOPSs for both 115mm guns and 105mm and 100mm (and even 90mm). In many countries of the second and third world, they use T62, and Leopards 1, and M60, and even M48 with Centurions and T54. I think in which case Mekar will sell modern BOPS :-) Well, every little thing like infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers T-62 and old BOPS can be very upsetting. The only question is do you have so many modern night vision devices and fire control systems to equip the T-62 with them, or will you have to buy them in China?
    1. -2
      3 June 2022 09: 13
      Dear Dmitry, do not rub salt in the wounds about the night vision and suo.
      1. +6
        4 June 2022 18: 51
        Excuse me, in no way did I want to hurt either Russia, or the Glorious Russian Army, or you. It's just that in the USA, a lot of older tankers said that the M60A3 is simpler, more reliable, cheaper than Abrams. And they are not so sensitive to desert dust (it’s not sand that reaches the calf, but ALL-PENETRATING sandy dust, even Shemagi doesn’t really help. When you drink water, you must first rinse your mouth, otherwise you’ll get drunk on dust, soot from ever-burning garbage pits is also not a gift, dofiga our guys have earned chronic bronchitis, emphysema and other joys, and now they are trying to prove that this is due to garbage pits in order to receive compensation and additional discounts on medical care, so far they are not very successful). And that instead of the expensive Abrams, it was possible to use the old M60A3 for fire support by installing new night vision devices and SLAs on them.
        So I just expressed my opinion. It seems to me that for fire support - the T-62 is quite good. With new devices (cheaper than cutting down a tank completely from scratch), and if your commanders understood that the T-62 was not a tank, but an assault gun with a turret, they wouldn’t let it in against tanks. Our commanders are well aware that even with a 105mm cannon, a Stryker tank is not an enemy in most cases. Although when I was in Iraq, we no longer worked against tanks. The Iraqi army was torn to shreds before me. Sometimes I regret that I didn’t have time for this vigorous cutting and sawing. All the same, it's easier when "Here we are, there are enemies, go ahead, kill for Odin." And when you yourself don’t know who the enemy is, who is neutral and at any moment, anyone can either shoot at you or self-explode - it helps a lot when earning PTSD in combination with a slight paranoia. Then, in civilian life, it takes a very long time to unlearn the slightest suspicious movement to respond with several shots. And this behavior of the local police is not approved at all.


        Still, of course, you can cut down something like SturmShtuga. On a T55 or T62 chassis, instead of a turret, saw down an armored cabin booked at the very least, and shove a short 122mm howitzer into it. cigarette butt - Stummel. Or short 152mm. Smoking Khokhlomrazei out of buildings - that's it. The Germans had such, they worked with a bang. The 105mm howitzer on the Shtug chassis, EMNIP was called STURMHAUBICE, they also had Brumbar there. On the Panzer 4 chassis, with such heavy armor and a short 150 howitzer. On Brumbar, there was an emnip for 100mm of armor. I think such a peplatz would have smoked bandero scum from any buildings very well. True, purely for fun, it would be cool to cut down a modern equivalent of a stormtiger that would fire mines from the RBU-6000. 210mm Chumadan. I think it would be great to send Banderrazei to Bandera and Hitler, where they all belong.

        I wish the Russian Army many victories and preferably with Little Blood. I wish all your Fighters to return home safe and sound.
    2. +1
      3 June 2022 11: 49
      Where do you live, if this of course is not a great secret???? And in what troops did they serve, in what years? Thanks in advance.
      1. +6
        3 June 2022 17: 14
        Served in the US Army. Infantry. The most usual-banal PIHOTA, no glamor. MOS 68W - Combat Medic Specialist. Sent for further training with a promotion, and became MOS 68P - Radiologist Technician. Service time 2004 - 2010.


        I live in the USA, Wisconsin.
    3. 0
      4 June 2022 14: 52
      I wanted to upvote, but I decided that in addition to the plus, I must also say that the questions are correct
  47. 0
    2 June 2022 18: 11
    Good old car. Just one question, crews, crews, and crews again.
  48. +1
    2 June 2022 20: 24
    Excel moxel! And on the cue ass accordion? Why T-62m? When are T-64s available at storage bases? And a 125 mm tama gun! And parts of the DPR and DPR have long mastered this "machine"!
    1. 0
      3 June 2022 11: 56
      Hemorrhoids hurt this 64, especially for specialists of mediocre qualifications. T-62 is simple and reliable. And the cannon, if you don’t conduct tank duels, the difference of 115 and 125 when firing at ground targets and fortifications is not very big. 115 mm will completely open any firing point. In addition, it has such charm in the BC as ZSh-6 shells with feathered nails, which the T-72 does not have
      1. 0
        3 June 2022 12: 47
        Quote: Biggi_2006
        like ZSh-6 shells with feathered nails, which the T-72 does not have

        There is a 125-mm projectile 3Sh7 with GPE ...
        Quote: Biggi_2006
        T-62 is simple and reliable. And the cannon - the difference of 115 and 125 when shooting at ground targets and fortifications is not very big.

        Duc, there is a T-62AM with a 125-mm gun! Am I against such a T-62? And the T-64 just came to the word ... some time ago there were a lot of them at the storage bases ... the 125-mm cannon + in the tank units of the NM of the DPR and LPR mastered this tank well! But that's not the point ! At the storage bases, according to some sources, about 7000 T-72 tanks of the first modifications! (While the T-62 is listed as approx. 2500 "pieces"!) So think of a cucumber to your nose!
  49. +2
    2 June 2022 20: 57
    Exactly, five stages of acceptance). T - 60, dug in and other relics of the Soviet military-industrial complex ...
    1. 0
      3 June 2022 14: 50
      BTR-60 and T-55 is at the request of radio listeners. bully
      1. mva
        0
        7 June 2022 16: 18
        BTR-60P is generally fire. Javelin will drive into a complete stupor. It will fly up, but there is no roof. Where to hit it?
        1. 0
          7 June 2022 16: 33
          There will be a clear miscalculation by the compilers of the Javelin or Javelina work algorithm bully
          1. mva
            0
            7 June 2022 16: 48
            So who knew that in the 21st century they would use armored vehicles without a roof? wink
        2. 0
          23 August 2022 14: 14
          fly back!!
  50. +1
    2 June 2022 22: 03
    quite a strange decision. Well, that is, you can use it as self-propelled guns, but if you see videos about how ours are shelling, then with such a gun the accuracy will be even worse. Although if massively and with a maximum rate of fire - some kind of effect can be created. To use directly in a combat situation on the front line is the killing of crews. We have problems with that as well.
  51. +1
    2 June 2022 23: 23
    There will be fewer personnel losses, the T-62 is more resistant to detonation of ammunition, the brass cartridge case of a unitary cartridge is more resistant than a cardboard cap.
    1. 0
      3 June 2022 08: 58
      You basically rejected the T-72
  52. +2
    3 June 2022 00: 02
    The T-62 can also fire at indirect fire - in some cases this can be useful. We learned how to fire along a mounted trajectory from the BTR-82A gun. The T-62 can fire indirect fire along a hinged trajectory - you can easily find your location on the map and
    coordinates and coordinates and range to the target - on the map and terrain, reference points for the direction of fire and the elevation angle of the barrel according to artillery tables according to the range - then, with the help of reconnaissance, zeroing and adjusting the fire, undershoot - flight - right to left target - worked for 5-10 minutes, changed position and same thing again
    - you’ll be lucky once or twice, and if you’re not lucky, they’ll quickly calculate your coordinates using radar and cover it - everything for the time being, that’s why it’s war - for some it’s heads and for others it’s tails))
  53. 0
    3 June 2022 00: 19
    We learned how to fire along a mounted trajectory from the BTR-82A gun.

    One staged video does not mean that we have learned.
  54. 0
    3 June 2022 00: 39
    The T-62 can also fire at indirect fire - in some cases this can be useful. We learned how to fire along a mounted trajectory from the BTR-82A gun. The T-62 can fire indirect fire along a hinged trajectory - you can easily find your location on the map and
    coordinates and coordinates and range to the target - on the map and terrain, reference points for the direction of fire and the elevation angle of the barrel according to artillery tables according to the range - then, with the help of reconnaissance, zeroing and adjusting the fire, undershoot - flight - right to left target - worked for 5-10 minutes, changed position and same thing again
    - you’ll be lucky once or twice, and if you’re not lucky, they’ll quickly calculate your coordinates with the help of radar and cover it - everything for the time being, that’s why it’s war - for some it’s heads and for others it’s tails If you quickly work on the target and quickly change positions and do not step on a mine the field and once reached Berlin. Then there were no radars))
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    1. mva
      0
      7 June 2022 16: 16
      So there seems to be little infantry. There is no one to cram into BMP/APC in large numbers. Otherwise I support everything is correct.
  56. +2
    3 June 2022 10: 54
    A little bit of my precious confusion laughing lived in such a piece of iron for 1,5 years. DMB_86 conclusion: you can live. The coolest place is with the loader. The loader could be any Soviet citizen who passed the GTO standards + monthly courses / language courses, if you are a friend of the steppes /. the rest of the crew members were trained for 3 months. I had a T-62D - with additional armor - eyebrows + additional bottom. We caught a couple of mines - the roller is off, you connect the goose and you reach the PPD. The RPG from the front - it didn’t penetrate at all, from the side - as long as it didn’t get into the stowage / and the hatches were open /. mild concussions... The gun is a delight. If the OF hits an armored personnel carrier, it makes a hole - a child can climb in, the armored personnel carrier itself flies off 50 meters in tin can mode. You can shoot with a canopy / there are smart signs on the gun carriage, etc... / you just need to learn. As a bunker - quite good. I would go myself - they don’t take you based on age sad
  57. -1
    3 June 2022 20: 03
    yes. the article is only a weak excuse for our. apparently “heavy” tank losses
  58. 0
    4 June 2022 23: 46
    A completely reasonable solution is to replace infantry fighting vehicles and main battle tanks at checkpoints.
    They would also attach a remote sensing device to it and a 14 mm controllable machine gun for the commander, because in this use case it doesn’t need speed, and pinching goldfinches in the green is the best thing... not everyone risks crawling out of cover under such a dum-dum-dum. This is of course a “wet dream”, but suddenly :)
  59. 0
    5 June 2022 10: 25
    The T-62 of all series has relatively weak mine resistance - this will have to be taken into account when developing tactics for use. Where a T-72B3 or T-80BVM only jumps on a mine, the T-62 may die along with its crew.

    “The mine protection of the driver has been increased due to additional armoring of the bottom by welding to it from the outside of the frame and armor plates 20 mm thick (in the area where the driver is located), from the lower bow inclined sheet to the second pair of torsion bars. The protection of the emergency hatch has been strengthened with an armor cover, overlapping its contours. It is attached from the inside with a nut through a hole in the main hatch cover. A pillar was installed between the bottom and the roof of the hull on the right behind the driver, and a number of other improvements were made."
    So the mine protection is better than that of the T-72, but the most important thing is that the T-62 does not have automated loading with a very vulnerable conveyor and the shots are unitary in a durable metal casing. The 115mm gun is not that much inferior to the 125mm, especially in terms of high-explosive fragmentation shells. Another thing is that the modernization could be more in-depth, for example, with an engine and chassis from the T-72 and all-round turret protection with hinged polymer-metallic multilayer panels or with modern elements of remote protection.


  60. 0
    6 June 2022 13: 08
    Hmmm, here on the forum commentators wrote that the Europeans are sending outdated rubbish, well, well.
  61. mva
    0
    7 June 2022 16: 12
    Quote: KCA
    And what, the voiced 7500 T-72s from storage have already ended? Is it time to dig out the T-62 and T-55?

    I think the question here is the condition of those T-72s that are in storage. Where do you think the spare parts for the repair of the T-72s in service and undergoing modernization came from? But the T-62s were not put into service, so they were intact.
    1. 0
      8 June 2022 17: 03
      But the T-62s were not put into service, so they were intact.
      Just the opposite. In accordance with the Treaty on Conventional Arms Control in Europe, Russia was prohibited from exceeding a certain quota for the number of tanks whose caliber exceeded 105 or 115 mm. Thus, many obsolete T-62s remained in service, while newer T-64s, T-72s, T-80s and even T-90s were sent into storage. This is why so many T-62s took part in the war with Georgia.
      Now this agreement is no longer valid and the T-62 could be gotten rid of, since many more modern vehicles are in storage. But without repairs and modernization this is difficult. Precisely because the storage conditions are disgusting, or they were like that while the USSR was collapsing and Russia was “rising from its knees.”
  62. 0
    15 June 2022 10: 10
    I agree that sometimes old equipment does not need to be scrapped.
    In my opinion, it is advisable to turn the T-62 into a heavy infantry fighting vehicle by removing the cannon and replacing it with an ATGM unit and a 30 mm automatic cannon. And continue installation on the KAZ combat vehicle
  63. 0
    17 June 2022 00: 33
    I wonder what kind of modification of T 62 appeared in Ukraine? side screens from t 72 or something
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  65. 0
    13 August 2022 10: 55
    There is armor, there is a gun... it’s all better than that of an armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicle. For the defensive players and the second line, this is what you need. And our fighters, with the natural ingenuity inherent in the Russian people, will turn even the old man of 62 into Armata.
  66. 0
    13 August 2022 13: 01
    The most valuable tank of the last century, when they had no idea about night vision devices, and dynamic protection made of rubber plates was a masterpiece!
    All that remains is to weld the grill grates from the Javelins and the tank will be no worse than the Armata.
  67. 0
    15 August 2022 02: 00
    In Russia, several thousand T-62 tanks are stored in the mobilization reserve (according to some sources, up to 2 vehicles), so why not use this armada in the interests of a special operation?


    So why not, 3-4 years ago, when it finally became clear that Ukraine would not implement the Minsk agreements and that active preparations for a new war were underway, not transfer a thousand T-62s and a thousand BMP-1s to the people’s republics for the formation of full-fledged mechanized regiments and brigades?
    During this time, it was possible to staff and train crews of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, practice their combat smoothing, create engineering and repair services, logistics support units, warehouses for ammunition, spare parts, fuel and lubricants...
    Carry out similar work to transfer artillery and MLRS to the Donbass Republics for the formation of artillery divisions, regiments and brigades.

    Even with a 3:1 ratio of forces, the Ukrofashists would not have been able to knock out the DPR and LPR units from their positions with a sudden blow.
    Perhaps a special operation would not have been required.
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