"Tornado-U" in Ukraine: good, but not enough

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Improvised dumbbell "Valkyrie" on the platform "Tornado-U". The turret on the cabin roof is not self-made, but quite factory. Source: telegram.org

Long road of armor


How will the military vehicles of the Russian army change after the special operation? In the most optimistic scenario, any wheeled vehicle will receive a minimum anti-fragmentation armor. Military operations in the territory with stretched communications inevitably require additional protection for each vehicle.

This was especially acute during the first stage of the special operation in Ukraine, when there was practically no front line, and enemy troops were shelling the supply routes for the troops. It was then that not the most pleasant photographic evidence of handicraft armoring of KamAZ and Urals with logs and steel sheets appeared. Now the situation seems to be improving - there are fewer and fewer facts of the destruction of Russian trucks. This is largely due to the transition of the special operation to positional confrontation, when the supply columns are not so vulnerable.




















How to locally book the "Ural" was known back in the USSR. The photo shows the exhibits of the Museum of military vehicles in Ryazan. Author: Vitaly Kuzmin.

No matter how trite it may sound, but the armored cabins of 80-90% of all road transport should become the gold standard of the Russian army. We are proud of the powerful "Grad" / "Tornado-G" rocket launcher, however, the basic carrier of this weapons - cargo "Ural", still not armored. The car is often used at the forefront, goes in a convoy with heavily armored vehicles, but does not deserve even minimal protection.

You can not talk about the equipment involved in the transportation of personnel and towing artillery at all - trucks are booked last. Now we are not talking about the Typhoon-K class MRAP - this is a high-tech and expensive technique used for completely different needs. By the way, there was a rhetorical question. And what would happen if the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered several armored Urals instead of one Typhoon-K?


This is how all army KamAZ trucks in the NWO zone should look like. Source: telegram.org


Or at least so. Source: telegram.org


And so - all the "Urals". Source: telegram.org

Among the opponents of the total reservation of all army equipment, there are those who consider it redundant. Say, the enemy will know in advance about the specifics of the vehicles in the convoy and will prepare accordingly. Simply put, instead of AKM, he will take the Utyos or RPG. The answer is simple - additional booking is designed, among other things, for such an effect.

The enemy is forced to lose tactical mobility due to the weight of the wearable arsenal. Where before the bandits managed to get through with light weapons, now they will have to crawl through with "pocket artillery", up to ATGMs. From an RPG and a guided missile, you also need to hit a moving truck. And now a considerable part of the column of army equipment can be effectively fired from PKM.

Of course, this situation did not crystallize now - back in the days of Afghanistan, soldiers were forced to hang makeshift armor on their equipment. The Chechen campaigns initiated the appearance in the army of armored "Federals" of various stripes. However, this was not enough - most of the vehicles were received by the internal troops and later by the National Guard. Below are typical techniques for artisanal and completely factory armored army trucks.





"Tornado-U" in Ukraine: good, but not enough

We had to book equipment with our own hands already during the special operation. Source: telegram.org


The forehead of KamAZ is armored with the cover of the engine compartment of the MT-LB. Source: telegram.org

His Majesty "Typhoon-U"


The concept of using cabover KamAZ trucks in advanced army units has been criticized more than once. It's all about the design of the truck, which, for the role of a military man, pulls on a conditional three. KamAZ-4310, the ancestor of the modern Mustang family, is the military version of the civilian KamAZ-5320. There are several conceptual flaws. First of all, cabover layout, vulnerable to mine explosions and IEDs. The tilting cab does not allow you to effectively book the engine compartment, and tilting a multi-ton armored structure for maintenance is not a good thing.

The driver and passenger are protected in the front plane only by a thin frontal plating and glass. For small arms, this is not a problem at all. That is why the fighters in Ukraine have to hang logs on the nose of KamAZ, and sometimes armored parts from other equipment that have served their purpose.

The bonneted Ural, whose origins date back to the late 50s, was originally designed as a military vehicle capable of towing artillery pieces. The hood is both a protection against a mine under the wheel and an obstacle from gun bullets. The design itself makes it much more efficient to armor the cabin, as well as integrate it with the body, turning the car into an armored van, like the Ural-Vityaz for the National Guard.

The location of the cab behind the engine does not create obstacles for a two-row layout, which is very important, for example, when placing a mortar crew. The Urals implemented a double-cabin scheme using the Phlox self-propelled gun and the 2S12A Sani mortar complex as an example.



Don't see anything out of the ordinary? This is an experienced "Ural" with an armored manned compartment from KamAZ. Conceptual predecessor of "Motovoz" and "Tornado-U". Photo - Vitaly Kuzmin.




A few more search options for booking the Urals. Photo - Vitaly Kuzmin.


The modern army line of Ural Automobile Plant JSC

During the Soviet Union, there was a division of "duties" between tactical trucks "Ural" and KamAZ. The first always worked closer to the front edge, and the second remained in the relative rear. But the conflict in Afghanistan has already shown that all these conventions are useless - both Urals and KamAZ trucks are equally likely to fall under shelling at the front. And if so, it is very desirable that the crew is housed in a bonneted armored vehicle.

The situation is gradually changing, and literally last year, vehicles of the Tornado-U series of the Ural Automobile Plant began to appear in the troops. Do not confuse this technique with the stillborn MRAP "Tornado-U", which lost the competition with the car from Nizhny Tagil. Truck "Tornado-U" is a senior player in a wide range of trucks from Miass.

The Urals are supplying the Russian Guard with a protected Ural-Vityaz vehicle, which is a modernized version of the Ural-VV MRAP. In the range of unarmored vehicles, the most modern is the Ural with the Next cab. In fact, these are proven units of the 4320 series in a comfortable design. What is important, the car is not armored in principle, that is, it is intended for deep military rear. In 2019, the truck of the Motovoz-M series, featuring a frame-panel cab, was successfully tested. This is very important, as the flat cockpit panels make it easy to integrate armor.

Evaluate the Ural-4320-7810-31/30 model index - everything is in the best traditions of domestic naming. Like Next, Motovoz-M is presented in three versions - 4x4, 6x6 and extended to 9,5 meters 6x6. If you book "Motovoz-M", then the letter "O" is added to it. The total weight of the machines of the family can reach 21,5 tons with a maximum load capacity of 10 tons. And finally, the Ural-6370 "Tornado-U" with a frame-panel cabin, the possibility of booking and a gross weight of 33 tons.

The carrying capacity, depending on the version, is up to 16 tons, that is, this machine in the Soviet ranking table is even higher than the KrAZ. "Tornado-U" has already appeared in the special operation both onboard and as part of the TOS-2 "Tosochka" flamethrower system, so it's worth talking about it in more detail.










Gantrak Ural-63706-0122 "Tornado-U". Source: telegram.org


Even the armored "Tornado-U" needs to be improved. Source: telegram.org

In 2012, GABTU turned to the Ural automakers with a proposal to develop a family of unified army heavy trucks at its own expense. In 2014, they signed an agreement, and a year later, the car was presented at Army-2015.

Tornado-U is equipped with a 412-440-horsepower YaMZ-652 and (at the time of 2015) part of imported units: clutch - Sachs, manual gearbox and transfer case - ZF, Hungarian bridges Raba. Yes, and YaMZ itself is nothing more than a licensed Renault. In the future, the Urals promised to replace foreign components with domestic counterparts. It can be said for sure that the bridges near the Tornado-U unit are already Russian - last year a workshop with the corresponding production was launched in Miass.








The interior of the cabin "Tornado-U". Source: Science and military security. 2021. No. 1 (24)


Placement of equipment in a triple protected cabin:
1 - a place to place a first aid kit; 2 - thermos; 3 - a place for placing chemical reconnaissance equipment; 4 - a place for placing crew protective equipment (combined arms protective kit); 5 - fire extinguisher; 6 - night vision devices. Source: Science and military security. 2021. No. 1 (24)

The armored cab for the heavy Ural trucks Tornado-U and the younger brothers Motovoz-M was developed jointly with the Research Institute of Steel. It is planned to install three modifications of the cab on the machines - a standard single-row three-seater, an increased volume also for three crew members and a two-row five-seater.

By the way, in Ukraine the latest flamethrower system TOS-2 Tosochka, based on the Tornado-U chassis with a three-seater cabin of increased volume, has already been tested in battles. Each armored cabin is a combat module. The only thing missing is anti-mine seats with ceiling mounts and safety steps for passengers.

The cabin is sealed, equipped with air conditioning, night vision devices, a radio station, a dosimeter and chemical reconnaissance devices. It is possible to install an on-board information and control system and three surveillance cameras. Mirrors and armored glass with electric heating.

Ideal war chariots, of course, do not exist. You can only bring the machine as close as possible to real operating conditions. It seems that GABTU, Ural Automobile Plant JSC and Steel Research Institute JSC succeeded. It remains only to wait for the mass appearance of armored "Tornado-U" on the fronts of Ukraine. Moreover, machines can perform not only transport functions, but quite combat ones. Gantrak "Valkyrie" is a clear example of this.
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    1. +7
      3 June 2022 08: 02
      Tornado-U is equipped with a 412-440-horsepower YaMZ-652 and (at the time of 2015) part of imported units: clutch - Sachs, manual gearbox and transfer case - ZF, Hungarian bridges Raba. Yes, and YaMZ itself is nothing more than a licensed Renault.

      And that says it all ... I remember in Afghanistan they collected not money, but sneakers. I think it's time to find out what's on the feet of the current voshnikov. It's the same with MRAPs.
      1. +12
        3 June 2022 08: 14
        Quote: Civil
        I remember in Afghanistan they collected not money, but sneakers.

        No one collected sneakers, whoever received a salary and needed sneakers, he himself took in dukans, or trophies.
        1. +2
          3 June 2022 09: 31
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          No one collected sneakers, whoever received a salary and needed sneakers, he himself took in dukans, or trophies.

          It happened in different ways, there is even a CTV report in the boarding schools, where the fighters ask for help and send sneakers. You can search.
          1. -1
            3 June 2022 11: 15
            Quote: Civil
            CTV report, where the fighters ask for help and send sneakers.

            I will quote the great laughing
            Quote: Civil
            Don't touch the Soviet
          2. +2
            5 June 2022 13: 06
            It really happened, we asked to bring "KIMRY" from the mainland, there were such very good krosochs
        2. 0
          5 August 2022 10: 05
          Forgive them, they're just bastards. I have already imagined how volunteers from the Komsomol come to Kunduz from the Union and hand over sneakers, bulletproof vests and helmets to deputies on the rear ..... And pretentious girls collect packages for soldiers in the Union and take patronage: I help the 350th regiment, and I 357 ....
      2. +2
        5 June 2022 01: 06
        my comrade is now there, in the landing, he said trophies or "foreigners", their shoes are good, light, you can’t drive through the trenches quickly in berets
  2. +1
    3 June 2022 05: 43
    With a 57 mm cannon, such a machine is a beast ... it will demolish all enemy infantry in buildings.
    I drove up from the shelter, discharged the ammunition on the enemy and quickly returned to the charge.
    1. +18
      3 June 2022 06: 19
      With a 57 mm cannon, such a machine is a beast ... it will demolish all enemy infantry in buildings.
      I drove up from the shelter, discharged the ammunition on the enemy and quickly returned to the charge.

      There is a problem, when firing in bursts, a strong pitching of the body. In Syria, hydraulic stops were used to unload a dumbbell with a 57-mm gun.
      1. +11
        3 June 2022 08: 50
        Don't stop idiots from fantasizing...
        1. 0
          5 August 2022 10: 06
          Bravo, to the point
      2. 0
        3 June 2022 10: 07
        Buy a truck crane, dismantle the crane and install 57mm.....
        1. +14
          3 June 2022 11: 36
          In all military companies of recent times, dumbbells are used. But they are all handicraft. Why is the industry not involved in their production?
          It's a pity the old ZUShki went under the write-off

          Why not dumbbell?
          1. -3
            3 June 2022 23: 26
            Gantrak is cheaper and unified with what is in the army. I can’t imagine how the ZSU-57-2 can be used now in the regular army, the 55 chassis is now not used anywhere in the army at all, it would be more logical to equip the au-220m combat module or something like a turret from the PT-76-57 available in the army, the BMP family.
          2. 0
            5 June 2022 14: 31
            How much diesel per hundred square meters does he eat? Google it and you'll get an answer to your question right away. Moreover, the armor there is 10-15mm, any KKP takes an armored tube.
    2. +16
      3 June 2022 13: 28
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      With a 57 mm cannon, such a machine is a beast ... it will demolish all enemy infantry in buildings.
      I drove up from the shelter, discharged the ammunition on the enemy and quickly returned to the charge.

      It's funny even when the other day they discussed the supply of British armored trucks, they were called "shahidmobiles", and like ours - so "beast-machine" ...
      1. +1
        6 June 2022 18: 09
        in our country, as usual, everything is not like everyone else, not oligarchs, but friends, not spies, but scouts, and so on. etc. we are always different...
  3. -1
    3 June 2022 06: 15
    We are proud of the powerful Grad/Tornado-G rocket launcher, but the base carrier of this weapon, the Ural cargo carrier, has not yet been armored.

    Wars are the engine of progress, in a particular case, combat experience will force our developers to make armored versions of trucks.
    1. +9
      3 June 2022 08: 50
      Won't make...
  4. 0
    3 June 2022 06: 45
    it would be quite possible to mount a "pancake" (cap) made of aluminum armor of a slightly smaller diameter on the wheel hub
  5. +4
    3 June 2022 08: 43
    Almost everyone undergoes modernization "by ingenuity". A lot of all sorts of equipment has already passed through the city, those that stop even for a couple of days, looking for ways to "weld on" additional devices - for "armor", "logs", camouflage and so on. Apparently, this is forbidden on horseback at the place of deployment, and when it hits us, the commanders and hard workers of the war simply spit on these instructions.
    What pleases is that since the beginning of May, Tornado-U has been more often included in supply columns. True, the dumbbells (turrets) were installed right at our place - there was even a queue for their packing, well-crafted boards.
  6. -3
    3 June 2022 08: 48
    In my opinion, it has long been clear to everyone that the leadership of KAMAZ and URAL are acting in the interests of Western capital, and not the army. Installing imported components and assemblies of foreign production is a crime, or rather Art. defense market.
    It is time to return them to state ownership, in parallel by legislatively banning the use of foreign units on civilian and military trucks.
    1. +6
      3 June 2022 09: 32
      Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
      In reality, we see that foreign capital is merging the last segment of the defense market.

      Welcome to WTO.
    2. +11
      3 June 2022 12: 28
      Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
      In my opinion, it has long been clear to everyone that the leadership of KAMAZ and URAL are acting in the interests of Western capital, and not the army. Installing imported components and assemblies of foreign production is a crime, or rather Art. defense market.

      And what about the industry? What the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation prescribed in the TK - then the industries passed. The MO wants a cheap and reliable truck today - the industry is rolling out a foreign car. And MO accepts it.
      If 100% use of domestic components was prescribed in the TOR, then the Moscow Region would receive a 100% domestic truck ... at the price of an aircraft, in five years, and even with eternal children's problems. And before that, the army would have traveled on paper.
      Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
      It is time to return them to state ownership, in parallel by legislatively banning the use of foreign units on civilian and military trucks.

      Well, okay, the army, but ordinary citizens for what? smile
      And what does the form of ownership have to do with the absence of a ban on the use of foreign components in military equipment? What will prevent private traders from localizing production - if this is a prerequisite for participating in a tender for the supply of defense equipment?
      1. +3
        3 June 2022 23: 41
        What will prevent private traders from localizing production - if this is a prerequisite for participating in a tender for the supply of defense equipment?


        Nothing, it will only cost more and it’s not a fact that the supplier wants to localize production. In general, there is nothing wrong with foreign spare parts, especially with regards to the civilian market, it was only in the union that they tried to produce everything of their own, but there was not much choice. Russia also has no particular choice, in fact, if it decides to pursue such a policy, the only difference is that it does not particularly want to pay for its independence. The entrepreneur does not give a damn about patriotism and he will not organize the expensive production of a conditional clutch for a gearbox for his own money, because he calculated everything and realized that this has a huge payback period, and therefore unprofitable. The state must pay the costs of such production, or make serious tax breaks and provide interest-free loans, then for some positions it is possible to establish production. This is a difficult and gigantic job that no one wants to do.
        1. +2
          4 June 2022 13: 49
          Quote: LastPS
          Nothing, it will only cost more and it’s not a fact that the supplier wants to localize production.

          If the supplier wants to receive a government order, then he will have no choice. But at the same time, the state customer must understand that localized equipment will cost completely different money or will have different characteristics.
          And about more expensive - so I write about it. Trucks with Western components already in the series and produced in the tens of thousands will by default be cheaper than trucks with 100% domestic configuration - because for domestic units, development will be included in the cost + the cost of small series products is always more expensive.
          Quote: LastPS
          In general, there is nothing wrong with foreign spare parts, especially with regards to the civilian market, it was only in the union that they tried to produce everything of their own, but there was not much choice.

          There was a choice. The same Navy operated the Sulzer and Vartsila engines, and generally ordered auxiliary fleet vessels in one capital country. smile
          Quote: LastPS
          The entrepreneur does not give a damn about patriotism and he will not organize the expensive production of a conditional clutch for a gearbox for his own money, because he calculated everything and realized that this has a huge payback period, and therefore unprofitable.

          And I'm not suggesting capitalist patriotism and altruism. I specifically noted that if the state wants to get domestic equipment to the last bolt for the army, then you will have to pay for it. Otherwise, it will be like with competitions for which no one showed up.
          So it is necessary not only to write in the TOR "made only in Russia", but also to prepare for the fact that you will have to pay extra for R&D, production organization and a small series.
    3. +5
      3 June 2022 16: 49
      but in my opinion in the 22nd year it is necessary not to reprint the data of the 15th year, but to clarify what and how, otherwise it turns out that in the 17th year they reported that foreign components were removed from the Urals, but the author did not notice this
  7. -4
    3 June 2022 09: 15
    military equipment today should be unmanned.
  8. +23
    3 June 2022 09: 17
    Extremely surprising are the throwing of the Ministry of Defense about the TK on an army truck.
    Since the time of Afghanistan, it has been clear what should be in columns on foreign territory.
    Hood. Bulletproof armor. Protected tanks. Ease of evacuation. Convenient placement of personal weapons. (doors just do perfect).
    1. +5
      3 June 2022 23: 45
      It was clear, yeah, only the KAMAZ lobby didn’t give a shit about this, so it was their cars that went to the troops, and not the Urals. In general, it is surprising that the Urals survived in such conditions.
      1. 0
        4 June 2022 09: 03
        The Ural survived precisely thanks to understanding people. And that's great. You don't have to start from scratch.
  9. +35
    3 June 2022 09: 43
    PPC of course dear friends. I look at the photo and it just hurts for our army of the 21st century. According to law 13, the chairman of the board of RusHydro has a salary of 24 million, the minister of industry earned 700 million in a year, and the drivers themselves book trucks with heating plates. I would put Deniska Manturov in such a truck and next to the head of the automobile department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and let the sska carry goods to the convoy on the front line
    1. +12
      3 June 2022 14: 04
      I would add that, ki from RusHydro, they conspired with the German Voith and instead of the hydraulic turbines of the metal plant, they are pushing foreign ones, hiding behind the localization, which consists in sticking nameplates like a fig leaf!
    2. +2
      3 June 2022 19: 41
      When testing the bridge during the crunch, the same bun of the designer-manufacturer was thrust under this bridge. Here are these advanced gentlemen and put into the cockpit and walk through it from the KPVT.
  10. +11
    3 June 2022 10: 10
    For local conflicts, there should be armored cabs on all trucks .... it became clear from Afghanistan ..... Moreover, the Urals have the main client - the Moscow Region.
  11. +1
    3 June 2022 11: 17
    I wonder what the railway troops have in this case?
  12. +7
    3 June 2022 11: 53
    There was the experience of the Chechen wars, and again the soldiers themselves book the cars
  13. +11
    3 June 2022 12: 34
    In fact, everything looks somehow rather shameful. How many wars have already passed, but we still cannot establish the production of armored trucks. And not that "super - duper", but simply, the entry level. And in the database zone, personnel are forced to collective farm armor from g.. and sticks.
    The same is true about "dumbbells" - a collective farm by a collective farm, without any reservation. even entry level.
    1. +1
      6 June 2022 18: 23
      I remember in Soviet textbooks everyone wrote about the inertness of the tsarist generals, then they didn’t make machine guns, then they spared cartridges, and now 75 years of Soviet power and now Putinism is 3 dozen, and everything is the same !!!!! the infantry rides, the only one in the world, on map armor, trucks without armor from the Afghan, but only the lazy did not say setuevina with UAVs, thermal imagers and means of communication
  14. +2
    3 June 2022 15: 09
    Thanks to the author! He described a serious problem, the only truth is that we do not have such a necessary car in the normal amount, unfortunately.
  15. +12
    3 June 2022 15: 25
    As always in the Russian Federation - vski .. He cut the dough and ... single copies ... The unprofessionalism of the country's leadership was exposed to the underwear of the latter .... It already smells ... How many yachts and billions have been taken abroad by his associates devoted to the cause of Putin abroad ... And more than 200 tons of gold flowed away, without giving an answer to the question of where and for what .... But Germany, thanks to Putin's gratuitous gas, freely allows itself to allocate 100 billion euros for its own army ... And this money is considerable the amount of the very gas money that Germany acquired by selling our gas at a price twice the price of the purchased price .... Of course, maybe this is not unprofessionalism .... But then this is a betrayal .... Although there is still such a thing in Russia the concept, how simple .... But not in this case .... Let's hope that Putin does not stop and does not merge what has been started in Ukraine ..
  16. +5
    3 June 2022 15: 54
    The combination "good, but not enough" is suitable for all products of our military-industrial complex. Armata: good, but not enough; Su-57: good, but not enough; frigates 11356R: good, but not enough ....
    1. +7
      3 June 2022 23: 48
      I would say "okay - but no". Because the amount of all this does not deserve the word little.
      1. +1
        4 June 2022 19: 27
        The most surprising thing is that there are people who, in all seriousness, prove that "we actually have a lot of T-14s, and T-15s, and Kurgans / Bumerantsevs, and Su-57s ..., but the RF Ministry of Defense does not specifically report their number confusing NATO." Such "patriots" are worse than enemies.
    2. +1
      5 June 2022 14: 32
      Few is putting it mildly.
  17. Eug
    +2
    3 June 2022 16: 55
    And why the engine - "licensed Renault"? There were Tutaev diesel engines in Russia of approximately the same power, quite simple and reliable ....
  18. +2
    3 June 2022 17: 26
    Why is only the Urals and Kamaz being considered? Guys, the problem is much wider and deeper, but Gas, UAZ, Maz? And a separate problem of TZM and tankers. made a removable set of ceramic armor. What you need is especially important for equipment not participating directly in the first echelon, but let's say with a "visit" close to the front line.
  19. +2
    3 June 2022 18: 54


    Here's something fresh. Source - https://t.me/panzwaffle
  20. +5
    3 June 2022 22: 50
    Correct me if wrong. I understood from the article that armored trucks are mainly supplied to the National Guard. And the rest goes to the MO. As far as I know, the National Guard is intended for actions within the country. Incl. and to maintain law and order.
    I have a question (basically rhetorical), why are armored trucks going to the Russian Guard, which is not yet at war with anyone inside the country? Who are they against the Russian Guard, and why? We remember about Chechnya and Dagestan, but now there is no such thing. Yes, and there seems to be no mass arming of the population with automatic weapons, and there are no active databases in the country. Why don’t armored trucks (all 100%) go to the Defense Ministry, which is just fighting in Ukraine, and where all of the above is, and such trucks are needed there?...
    1. +2
      4 June 2022 09: 45
      Armored warriors didn’t particularly need those who make decisions, they don’t ride in them! BB has more, let's say, the specifics of drugs are different, more contract soldiers and, in general, the personnel are less impersonal than unknown soldiers in the army, so the leadership of the BB cares more about them. Armored vehicles for transportation are, yes, basically an echo of Chechnya and Dagestan, so far they have swayed this and that, and that’s why there are more of them in the explosives than in the army .. You still ask a question why the parts from Chechnya have everything in complete chocolate in terms of equipment .. All the same there is a feeling that the main reason is the game of KAMAZ in the fight against the Urals for the military truck market, like Mil's fuss against Kamov with pushing the Mi-28 widowmaker into the troops .. Let's hope that the current conflict will put everything in its place.
  21. +2
    3 June 2022 23: 00
    Trucks should not be turned into ersatz armored personnel carriers (although certain nodes need to be strengthened).
    Supply columns require escort UAVs and, if necessary, combat BT.
    But armored transporters of the line of contact are needed - but it is better to develop them from scratch, and not to hang trucks with metal.
  22. AB
    +2
    4 June 2022 12: 15
    According to the recollections of veterans, during the Second World War, representatives of enterprises producing military equipment went to the front for consultations. Received first-hand information about operational problems and damage. It is necessary to put this into practice even now, let the engineers of enterprises, if not to the forefront, then at least get to the rembats ...
    1. +1
      6 June 2022 18: 28
      Yes, this is not under Comrade Stalin, the pilots obscenely covered Lavochkin's plane, and he stood there, writing down their comments in a notebook. True, they did not know who was standing in front of them, but it was as it was.
  23. +1
    4 June 2022 13: 52
    Armor is extra weight. That is, fuel consumption and equipment resource. In peacetime, this will cause unnecessary costs.
    I think, all the same, you need to leave the trucks in their original configuration, and use them in peacetime.
    But for the war, make a special mounted armor and install it before sending trucks to the combat zone.
    1. 0
      4 June 2022 17: 58
      I think, all the same, you need to leave the trucks in their original configuration, and use them in peacetime.
      But for the war, make a special mounted armor and install it before sending trucks to the combat zone.


      Your idea is good and sound, but, in addition, you will have to design a new car for such a thing - with a hood, a reinforced frame, a suspension, a transmission and an engine. And the center of mass is lower.
  24. +1
    4 June 2022 17: 35
    And what is the point of dumbbells in this war?
    1. +1
      7 June 2022 14: 24
      There are two options here. Or a four-wheeled wagon as a trailer or semi-trailer, as for the 57 mm C-60. Or gantrak to quickly leave the position. The trailer allows you to use an expensive tractor separately, and then compactly position the unit in position.
      And the dumbbell, as an example of the 120-mm self-propelled guns "Phlox", must have quickly installed outriggers for stability, and this is either hydraulics or like a quick-clamping vice. That is, dumbbells, they are self-propelled guns, should be, but should be performed industrially, and not by rolling a cannon or mortar into an open body. An industrial gantra can also have a semi-automatic drive, or even an automatic one, controlled from the cab.
  25. +2
    5 June 2022 13: 10
    Designers who design such equipment and military experts who issue those assignments for the project should be in the front ranks on the front line. Then their brains will work much more correctly. I'm sure it won't need to be modified.
    1. +2
      6 June 2022 18: 31
      or at least put the military acceptance and the creator in these ashes, and fire at least from the PKK, and it will be born in a completely different way
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    9 June 2022 17: 09
    I don’t know, either there are only “brakes” in the General Staff, or they just never gave a damn. There have already been so many wars, not counting Afghanistan with our participation or Chechnya, that it’s time to equip our aircraft with such machines for a long time, only a completely repulsed one cannot understand. The option is not expensive, just book in time. No, again hundreds of dead soldiers, and only now and then somehow things are starting to move from a dead center ...