The isolation of Russian education from the needs of the country

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The investment climate in Russia has recently improved somewhat. Unfortunately, it is impossible to talk about serious advances that would lead to the implementation of truly breakthrough projects, but, nevertheless, it would get off the ground. If even 12-15 years ago, the investment background in the Russian Federation seemed extremely negative, today there are positive developments. However, for the development of the investment attractiveness of our country there are significant obstacles that must be overcome.

One of these problems: the gap in the educational sphere. Today in Russia, the majority of schoolchildren who have received a secondary (complete) general education, apply for education in higher educational institutions. At the same time, the strangest thing is that most of the applicants to higher educational institutions enter these higher educational institutions. This situation of total "income" in universities is associated with a demographic problem. Naturally, prestigious universities still have a big competition, but universities, let's say, the average hand has a significant shortage of applicants, and therefore they are ready to accept literally everyone - and even those, who will leave much to be desired.

In this regard, a serious imbalance is born in the country when every year the educational system graduates a large number of specialists with a university degree. The middle-end fertility pit of the 1990-x manifests itself fully, which does not give educational institutions room to maneuver. After the reform of education, when the Ministry of Education and Science literally makes it difficult for all those whose knowledge and skills are literally at zero level due to ignoring the educational process, the situation with the pseudo-quality of Russian education is literally forced to go to a head. Under the pseudo-quality it should be understood that diplomas will eventually receive the overwhelming majority of applicants, as the practice of deductions can seriously hit the budget of the school, technical school, university. This puts the leaders of educational institutions in Russia in a very rigid framework, when you have to turn a blind eye to the pedagogical credo and the system of assessment, drawing in the diplomas those grades that many graduate students simply do not deserve. But if you don’t draw at least the notorious “satisfactory”, then you can call the anger of the inspection commission, which declares that the educational institution simply did not cope with its task. Nobody from the directors and rectors wants to get a hat, and therefore we have a tremendous growth in the “quality” (read, pseudo-quality) of education in recent times.

Naturally, students are well aware that they are the sacred cows themselves, on whom a priori the hand of the leadership of the educational institution cannot rise in terms of their deduction. So it turns out that today, according to the most conservative estimates, about 10-15% of university students do not receive an education, but simply are registered in their high schools. And who will get the state at the exit? And it will receive such graduates, whose services it would be better to immediately refuse before they implement the first project. Moreover, even from among those who really gnawed at the granite of science, units will begin their professional activities precisely in the profession indicated in their diploma.

It turns out that huge amounts of budget funding go down the drain. A state that seeks to attract investment in various fields of activity and develop domestic production itself follows the slippery path of the irrationality of the educational system.

Literally daily from television screens, we hear calls from government officials for business to go along the western path and participate in financing education. But business is still mostly deaf to such calls, because today many business representatives find it much more profitable to hire someone who has been called guest workers rather than investing in home-grown personnel. In recent years, business has learned to count pennies, and therefore it is much more profitable to hire labor "partners" from Tajikistan, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, and other countries to implement production projects. Not only that, these workers already have some experience in relevant activities, they can also save social benefits, “forget” about paying taxes, and in general you can enter into a collusion with the Federal Migration Service to declare illegal immigrants in a certain area. Such cases, when the business owner simply “rents” his workers, who are engaged in labor activity on an illegal basis, to representatives of the FMS, in order then simply not to pay the due wages. A move that is well known to the prosecutor’s office, but for some reason still practiced on numerous industrial and, especially, construction sites.

It is absolutely not profitable for a business that is placed in a rather complicated framework, which is akin to a survival framework, to finance vocational training. A metalworking enterprise today does not need a worker who, as it is fashionable to say in the educational sphere, is comprehensively developed. Business today does not need thinking people at all. The main task of Russian business, which is forced to balance between the principles of economic well-being and government intervention, is to obtain personnel trained by someone who will be in a silent and obedient mode. robots carry out their duties, making a profit. At the same time, those who are dissatisfied and overly “understanding” are waiting for a banal dismissal without any regard for the obligations regulated by the Labor Code.

In this case, there is a difficultly resolvable contradiction: the state wants to receive specialists in any industry with different levels of education, but at the same time differing in comprehensive development, while business structures are concerned only with labor competencies. It turns out that the state finances educational institutions from the budget, and Russian businessmen are in no hurry to use the services of graduates of these educational institutions. What kind of talk about financing is not from budget sources? ..

Today in our country, a few units of enterprises are ready to finance educational projects, conducting students under the educational program, which was developed jointly by the management of the enterprise and the administration of the educational institution.

Russian education today could give a significant impetus to the manufacturing sector, as well as help to increase the positiveness of the investment climate in the country, if we could no longer make a kind of “pushing and pushing” out of it, one head of which is directed back and the other to the advanced principles of interaction between the field of study and business areas. Another question is whether today the state has the right to interfere in the interests of the business ... Is it able to find ways to solve this complex problem, or will everything again be left to chance? ..

But if this problem is left unsolved, it will soon be possible to get the option of the final isolation of the educational system from the real economic needs of the country. And then we will get the country of graduates, workers and other graduates of educational institutions, the demand for which is zero.
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  1. +15
    6 October 2012 09: 36
    The tuition fees kill the quality of this very training. The main thing is money, and no one cares about knowledge. To make money and nothing else, all sorts of humanitarian and economic academies are being created that graduate "specialists". that nobody needs. The more students, the more money. As the saying goes, "nothing personal, just business." At the same time I read yesterday that Russia lacks about a thousand civil aviation pilots. Such a prestigious profession in the past, but there are no specialists. Where did they go? No one to teach and nowhere? Mess. But there are thousands of unnecessary academies.
    1. 0
      6 October 2012 13: 22
      Money is not the main thing, the main thing is number of high schools. Hence the low turnout for each university, therefore, low selection and, therefore, have to recruit everyone.
      Close half of the universities and the problem is almost solved.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +3
        6 October 2012 14: 35
        There are not so many universities in Russia, there are too many offices issuing, or rather selling, diplomas ...
        1. sleepy
          +1
          6 October 2012 16: 00
          Universities will be even smaller.
          http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/754961-0/
          By 2014, ten universities out of fifty will be closed in St. Petersburg.

          And rural schools are already smaller.
          http://www.novopol.ru/-za-pyat-let-v-rossii-zakryili-tyisyach-selskih-shkol-text
          121219.html
          In five years, 10 thousand rural schools were closed in Russia.
          Closed rural school - youth leaves forever and teachers without work. Such a village has no future.
      2. +3
        6 October 2012 18: 57
        This will not solve the problem. The solution to the problem is. so that the authorities themselves begin such a program, which would include: 1. financing films about workers and about workers (remember the USSR, everyone watched with enthusiasm "Height", "Spring on a street across the river," Volunteers, etc.); 2.increased scholarships in vocational schools and, most importantly, guaranteed distribution to jobs after graduating from vocational schools; 3.to stop the practice that allows the owners of factories and plants to impose an age limit at enterprises; 4.to stimulate a human being if he goes to work in a working specialty after college. Yes, and of course it is necessary to reduce these factories for printing diplomas, I mean all kinds of branches, such as: the Eurasian University, Central Russian, etc. These managers, economists, lawyers, like ... everywhere.
      3. sleepy
        0
        6 October 2012 19: 40
        With universities and so the problem.

        SPbSU even flew out of the list of 400 best universities in the world.
        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/869429-0/
        For the second time in a row, Russian universities were not included in the list of 200 best universities on the planet according to an authoritative publication, an application of the Times - Times Higher Education newspaper.
        The first place on the list was again taken by the California Institute of Technology. In total, seven American universities entered the top ten.
        1. +1
          7 October 2012 11: 17
          I found someone to refer to.
    2. +1
      6 October 2012 22: 43
      darkman70,
      Plus to you! I completely agree, tuition fees make universities feel like it's just a business.
    3. tut ya
      0
      7 October 2012 22: 54
      Have you forgotten that the former Minister of Health shouted that it was not practical to maintain cities in excess of 100 thousand, and the question is YOU where do you live ?! in our vocational school there are almost 10 people per seat, depending on where))) it just makes little sense everything is on the old equipment)) the car will be dismantled in half an hour and assembled, but there are no machines !!!!!!!!!!
  2. +21
    6 October 2012 10: 04
    There was a wonderful Soviet education system. But in order to restore it, you need first of all the customer of these same personnel - i.e. Industry. And for this you need to throw the wild market out of your head and create a number of state-owned enterprises in key sectors: aircraft construction, machine tool building, metalworking and, most importantly, research institutes of various directions. These enterprises will be able to form an order for the education of technical personnel, projected for decades ahead.
    The fate of the humanities somehow excites me a little, they can find a job in private companies, where they need above all a suspended language, knowledge of human resources, logistics, etc.
    But we believe sacredly that state-owned companies are ineffective. The fact that a hired head of a state-owned enterprise will work worse than a hired head of a private (joint-stock) enterprise. Therefore, light at the end of the tunnel is not observed. We will continue to wait until the market itself will adjust everything and we have our own Steve Jobs and Henry Fords appear and at the same time do not leave for the West, as the owner of Google, Russian, did, by the way.
    1. minister
      +1
      6 October 2012 12: 12
      The Russian people have always been distinguished by their intelligence and the quality of knowledge, but our problem of applying this knowledge does not go into practice, here is a military thing to cook (invent) something, please, but as a current citizen, the whole project stalls with the words "what the hell our people need to live like this" but not who does not think that in the civilian world as well as in the defense industry money can be hammered in and not small ones. In a word, they will finish badly to the point that no one will go to work at factories.
    2. Lapaev mihail
      +7
      6 October 2012 13: 22
      oooh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I talked about this many times, but often referred to it as an opposition, and I talked about the cadres, there are no specialists now, there were old people and drunks, but this is not the whole iceberg only its tip, then we need to look at the problems above the roof, but okay, at least we noticed something already a plus)
    3. +3
      6 October 2012 18: 53
      Quote: Magadan
      There was a wonderful Soviet education system.


      The fact of the matter is that it WAS !!! And it will hardly be possible to restore it in the near future. Let's start with the fact that the current tribe of teachers, especially in cities, has already become so spoiled by bribery in various forms that it's time to shoot more than half. It comes to the point that they openly declare to parents at meetings: "Whoever wants to take the exam must definitely attend additional classes with me. In the classroom, you will not receive a sufficient amount of knowledge."
    4. +1
      6 October 2012 19: 18
      Quote: Magadan

      There was a wonderful Soviet education system.

      A wonderful system of SCHOOL education, in the USSR universities there have always been problems. Lack of incentive to study well due to distribution, the ability to solve problems with a bottle of cognac, lagging behind overall scientific progress (that is, the institutes taught what was outdated 10-15 years ago, and those who continued to the academy or dealt with advanced fields of science had to drive yourself in the course of real affairs for a long time).
      So do not confuse schools and universities, the schools had an ideal system, but most of the loafers still sat in universities ...
    5. +4
      6 October 2012 21: 52
      Quote: Magadan
      And for this you need to throw the wild market out of your head and create a number of state-owned enterprises in key sectors: aircraft construction, machine tool construction, metalworking and, most importantly, research institutes of various directions.

      All basic industries, including raw materials and natural monopolies, must be returned to state control.
  3. Kochetkov.serzh
    +8
    6 October 2012 10: 48
    Yes, we are being destroyed by the Russian people step by step .. as per the scenario.
    Those enterprises that are gradually moving to market relations do not need anything except money .. and how can anyone think about the employee with his problems ...
    1. sleepy
      0
      6 October 2012 16: 04
      V. Zhirinovsky against education.

      1. andrklimanov
        0
        6 October 2012 22: 44
        everything is correct! revolution is made by "educated intelligentsia" if I work in the forge I have no time for revolutions! I need to feed my family hi
        education should be free and not accessible to everyone (graduated from school for 5 - go to a higher educational institution, for 4 - a techie, for 3 - vocational school to learn to work with pens) and now 90% have bought education, and there are only managers around, stupid but with diplomas ! and all the "manual" labor is transferred (switched to 90%) to guest workers
        1. staser
          +3
          7 October 2012 01: 16
          graduated from high school at 5 - go to a higher educational institution, at 4 - a techie, at 3 - a vocational school to learn how to work with pens

          Oh well. I graduated from high school with an average score of 4 (the best of the Unified State Exam is 69 points - in mathematics), but this did not stop me from graduating from a university with honors and working in a specialty at a research institute. But then I studied with two guys who have an average grade higher than 4 in school (USE in mathematics for 80 !!!). One of them is oak oaks (in the third year he could not distinguish a bit from a byte !!!), and the other realized that this was not his element and went to an economist.
          Conclusion: grades are not an indicator, but the exam in general in the furnace
        2. +1
          7 October 2012 09: 01
          Quote: andrklimanov
          graduated from high school at 5 - go to a higher educational institution, at 4 - a techie, at 3 - a vocational school to learn how to work with pens

          You are too simplistic. I know students who go to techie with 5 cars, they want to earn good money and not waste time. In world practice (with any education system and knowledge assessment) success in career is achieved by troeschiki and good guys.
  4. kopcep
    +9
    6 October 2012 10: 51
    Quote: Magadan
    There was a wonderful Soviet education system. But in order to restore it, you need first of all the customer of these same personnel - i.e. Industry.

    It seems to me that you are confusing cause and effect. Not the education system is primary, but for the sake of which this education is given to people. Science, industry or any household. activity. If the state is healthy, then for its normal functioning normal work of all 3 spheres is required simultaneously. Well, for the normal operation of these areas, a lot of things are needed, including the right legislation. And the education system itself will adapt to the needs of the country. Believe me, this is a very flexible system. If the country does not need its own specialists, but needs money pumps to pump resources over a hill, then the education system will supply pumps ...
  5. anchonsha
    +3
    6 October 2012 11: 04
    A wonderful article, with subtle conclusions, although in something else you can argue. In the previous comment
    kopcep proves it. This indicates the unhealthiness of state people to solve problems specifically for the people. Legislation is lobbying to solve the tasks of the rich elites who manage the country's wealth not in the interests of the common people, and therefore reforms are going on so much with us.
    1. kopcep
      +2
      6 October 2012 11: 33
      Quote: anchonsha
      Legislation is lobbying to solve the problems of the wealthy elites who manage the country's wealth not in the interests of the common people

      There should be no division at all into the tasks of the "rich elites" and the "common people." Everyone should have one goal. To live in a country in which everyone who wants to can live well. I say this with a reservation because not everyone wants to live a normal life. These are those who climb into power for profit, and not for the sake of helping people. I don't know, maybe this is just someone's plan. Wait until all the shit pops up, collect it and throw it away. I really hope for it. And there should be no division into the elite and the common people. Everyone should consider himself a part of the people of which he is a part, and everyone should be aware of his importance for the people, regardless of the type of work performed, if his activities are consciously carried out for the benefit of the people.
      1. +1
        6 October 2012 14: 34
        Quote: kopcep
        There should be no division at all into the tasks of the "rich elites" and the "common people"

        I agree, but when the question is about the interests of 99% of the population, then it should be decided in favor of the majority.
        Quote: kopcep
        everyone should be aware of their importance to the people

        There must be one thing, but it turns out quite another. For the Russian elite, Russia is a place where loot is earned (or stolen). And they live here because every time you do not fly from London.
        1. sleepy
          0
          6 October 2012 16: 19
          Quote: anchonsha
          Legislation is lobbying to solve the tasks of the rich elites who manage the country's wealth not in the interests of the common people, and therefore reforms are going on so much with us.


          Reforms are quite predictable in the interests of the wealthy elites who manage the wealth of the country. What does the common people have to do with it? And if there are not enough workers, there are guest workers.
          Since the beginning of the year, more than 3 million foreign workers have come to St. Petersburg, with 94% of them low-skilled. http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/754931-0/

          Russia has become a hospital for migrants; there are maternity tours to Moscow from Central Asia.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEu1piUhwg&feature=player_embedded
  6. +3
    6 October 2012 11: 43
    What business, such personnel are required.
    1. +3
      6 October 2012 13: 24
      Then graduates should go out with experience (practice) in 2-5 years and the knowledge of candidates of sciences ...
      1. kopcep
        +2
        6 October 2012 15: 10
        If the Soviet system had not been so perverted, such demands would not have arisen now. Previously, the production practice was also normal, and the knowledge assessment system. As now the state surrenders I will not say anything, because I did not give it up myself, but I did not hear it by hearsay. But I did my industrial practice on the 2nd year of the RTF - I scanned the book into electronic form for the university library. My brother, too, has recently completed an internship on the 4th year. I went to the factory for a month, I was a fool, I wrote a "report" and got a credit. And who needs it there at the plant (cnc machine repair department - 2 people)? A person who just came to practice. Those two guys from the department? They will not ask anything from them, but it is necessary to take on the work of educating young people. And they won't ask him anything. They ticked the box at the plant - they are happy at the university. And what is behind the checkmark - nobody cares. Except maybe a student, after all, he will then work.
        1. sleepy
          0
          6 October 2012 16: 23
          In advertisements for work, they write: "A specialist of 25-35 years with at least 5 years of experience is required." And where to get these?
          1. staser
            0
            7 October 2012 01: 19
            Frankly, I did not encounter when they demanded seniority. In all the organizations where I could go, I was absolutely not worried about my experience. But as I heard, sometimes the requirements of work experience is a psychological test. If you still come and prove that you are worthy of this work, despite the lack of experience, then you are well trained and purposeful.
  7. +3
    6 October 2012 12: 10
    I work at the factory myself, I know the situation firsthand. Young people who come with higher education do not know how to read blueprints. They will work for two months, receive a salary of 17-20 thousand. And write a letter of resignation. you won’t drag it at all.
    1. kopcep
      +1
      6 October 2012 12: 20
      17-20 immediately after high school - this is actually not enough
      1. 0
        6 October 2012 13: 08
        Watching for whom and where. We have so much after the techie mechanics get, if not more. Electricians a little less.
        1. kopcep
          +1
          6 October 2012 14: 23
          Quote: RedDragoN
          Looking for someone

          Quote: ruslan7608
          Young people who come with higher education do not know how to read blueprints


          Quote: RedDragoN
          and where

          Quote: ruslan7608
          at the factory


          Quote: RedDragoN
          We have so much after the techie mechanics get, if not more. Electricians a little less.

          Well, then all production is based on mechanics and electricians, and not on "specialists" with the highest, who, not just thinking with their heads, cannot read the drawing, but know absolutely nothing at the production site. Moreover, for them, this is such a terrible dense forest, into which it is generally better not to meddle so as not to shine with your incompetence.
          1. sleepy
            +2
            6 October 2012 16: 30
            I saw an interior view with a pensioner working on a diesel plant near St. Petersburg. He said bluntly that after the old people the production would stop, since there was no one to transfer the accumulated experience, as before, when a mentor was attached to the newcomers.
            Young people come in search of high earnings and go into trade. And managers only know how to conclude contracts.
            1. 0
              6 October 2012 17: 57
              sleepy,
              Quote: sleepy
              Young people come in search of high earnings and go into trade. And managers only know how to conclude contracts.

              I completely agree with you, they go to the trade, to the guard, in general, anywhere but just not to the machine, not to the factory. I’m 36 now, younger than I have a guy in my workshop, he’s 25, he is now studying at the institute in absentia and after his graduation he is about to leave.
              1. +1
                6 October 2012 18: 41
                if they’re paying pennies while working at the machine, the flag is in their hands. Let the manual itself work on them
                1. sleepy
                  +1
                  6 October 2012 19: 26
                  Beginners are initially paid less because no work experience at first.
                  And the requests are like that of the football team.
                  However, there are industries where they cheat for money after the first three months of work.
                  1. 0
                    6 October 2012 20: 37
                    where people pay there and leave. at our factory it’s not a salary, but a serving if only enough for food
          2. 0
            6 October 2012 22: 46
            kopcep in another sense: depending on what profession and in what area.
  8. NickitaDembelnulsa
    +1
    6 October 2012 12: 11
    And that is true! In Physico-Technical Universities, very few people enter, Give them Economics and Jurisprudence- Only to become a good lawyer or economist, you need to have brains and make efforts, nothing will come to a freebie !!!!
    1. kopcep
      +1
      6 October 2012 12: 23
      Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
      to become a good lawyer or economist, you must have brains and make efforts

      and in order to become a good engineer of brains and efforts, sometimes you need more
      1. sleepy
        0
        6 October 2012 16: 40
        Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
        ... to become a good lawyer or economist, you must have brains and make efforts


        So Sergey Matvienko became a good financier.
        Business secrets: Sergey Matvienko, listen, but rather look.
        1. sleepy
          +1
          6 October 2012 16: 46
          Quote: kopcep
          "... to become a good engineer brains and efforts are sometimes needed more."
          1. sleepy
            +3
            6 October 2012 16: 50
            But unfortunately business relationships at parties prevail.
        2. kopcep
          0
          6 October 2012 17: 19
          Has he been a hangover or trained for years? Or is it a special gift? I'm sorry, but 42 min. I can’t stand his gundezh. Some kind of narcotist ...
          1. sleepy
            +4
            6 October 2012 17: 46
            He is always like that, but always with the money, and listening to him is really sickening. The video on which billionaire Sergey Matvienko explains his commercial success with personal talents, and not with the patronage of the governor of St. Petersburg, provoked a stormy reaction.
            From 2003 to 2010 - Vice President of Bank Saint Petersburg.

            Mrs. V. Matvienko took him with her when she left St. Petersburg to be promoted to Moscow, where she takes the honorary place of chairman of the Federation Council.
            He is prophesied a very good place in the Government of Russia, where he will continue his activities.
            1. kopcep
              +1
              6 October 2012 18: 09
              Quote: sleepy
              He is prophesied a very good place in the Government of Russia, where he will continue his activities.

              And, of course, people like him cannot help but work for the good of the country. They don’t take care of themselves, they think about the people ...
              1. sleepy
                0
                6 October 2012 18: 15
                And that is characteristic, they don’t go to the opposition, for any haircuts smile
                Although there is an exception - Mrs. Ksenia S.
  9. +2
    6 October 2012 12: 28
    Investing in education is a long-term investment. No one will invest in education, with the exception of private institutions where it pays for tuition. Yes, and these institutions are designed for momentary benefits. Pretty quickly close.
  10. 0
    6 October 2012 12: 33
    The text is adequate, only the name is traditional - the education system was to blame for the country's disasters. This does not follow from the text. She was held hostage to modernization games.
    By the way, if small business develops in our country (it should be already), we will need people with economic education, if the country becomes a rule-of-law state with the disappearance of legal castes closed to outsiders, we will need many qualified lawyers. Then the first persons of the state will not have to humorously talk about the "overabundance" of lawyers and economists.
    It seems that every time the state is about to make another mistake in choosing strategic priorities, someone pushes the topic of the meaninglessness of education and an overabundance of people with higher education. Maybe it's better to just cancel it - start, for example, from school?
    By the way again. In many developed countries, the number of students in engineering and natural sciences does not exceed 10%. This is quite enough for the industry. All the rest receive education in a humanitarian profile - the world is only getting better from this. We are again starting to swing the pendulum towards "not enough engineers". The prospects for this project are obvious.
    1. sleepy
      +2
      6 October 2012 17: 01
      Quote: pechv
      "In many developed countries, the number of students in engineering, natural sciences does not exceed 10%. This is quite enough for industry. All the rest receive education in the humanities - the world is only getting better from this."


      And who will turn the design developments into "hardware"?
      In St. Petersburg, there are not enough carousel turners for the production of power turbines. Somehow, they came from Ukraine to get a couple of such specialists at any cost, since their terms for export delivery were disrupted. So they left with nothing.

      In the USSR there was a system of professional technical schools that trained workers. Now instead of them are lyceums and colleges, preparing lyceum students and bachelors. These specialists do not know how to use the ram, but they have not heard about the micrometer. But their smartphones do not part even in the smoking room.
      1. 0
        8 October 2012 10: 46
        This does not contradict my words. It is simply impossible to refuse to the turner the merry-go-round man the opportunity to get a higher education, for example, a humanitarian.
        And all these conversations - give skilled workers across the entire range of specialties - already look strange. Did you support young people, give them the opportunity to improve their qualifications, and offer a perspective? Not a single option - give me a carousel, another employer requires an operator of a specific cnc machine. It is the interest of industry to train qualified personnel, otherwise it (industry) will not exist. Have you noticed at least one such project? I did not see.
        The famous song - I bought such an expensive machine, but no one can work on it, where ... the state is looking. And where do you look?
        1. sleepy
          0
          9 October 2012 01: 06
          Quote: pechv
          "You just can't refuse a carousel turner the opportunity to get a higher education, for example, humanitarian."
          .
          I support additional education, this raises the level.
          In the current situation with personnel in the labor market, employers are trying to attract qualified specialists in all ways, or train your trusted staff. Businessmen do not invest in training someone somewhere in some educational institution, since there is a high probability of losing money and time. They don’t complain about the state (it makes no sense), trying to do it on their own.
  11. +2
    6 October 2012 12: 33
    As long as there is commercial, paid education, there will be no sense. The ignoramuses with higher education diplomas will breed.
  12. anton107798
    +2
    6 October 2012 12: 42
    and in the photo, the 1K62 machine, which was produced in the early 60s ... still works.
    1. +1
      6 October 2012 15: 23
      and it’s not bad yet. I saw machine tools manufactured in 1954, produced in the Republic of the German Democratic Republic, the company Mikromat city of Dresden, and this is in our years.
  13. +1
    6 October 2012 13: 05
    It is difficult for an intelligent person to work with a fool boss.
    And smart leaders are still rare.
    I just quit. So my direct boss, having heard this, was delighted, smiled, speechless, and all this in the presence of the general director.
    And where do such small people come from !?
  14. 0
    6 October 2012 13: 28
    Poor education? - no! otherwise why did Zuckerberg pester himself here? Clear the stump behind the scenes. It is incomprehensible another thing, why should I give him a DAM? We have that, universities prepare personnel for Silicon Valley, and this is for our money, where is the logic?
    1. sleepy
      +1
      6 October 2012 17: 18
      Mark Zuckerberg invited programmers to flee Russia.
      http://irsolo.ru/mark-cukerberg-predlozhil-programmistam-bezhat-iz-rossii/

      Programmers by profession have an analytical mindset.
      Here is a blogger tebedam, originally inspired by Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev's article "Forward Russia!"
      http://www.vz.ru/politics/2009/9/10/326117.html
      He wrote "Letters to the President"
      http://tebedam.livejournal.com/690.html
      http://tebedam.livejournal.com/2435.html
      http://tebedam.livejournal.com/16235.html
      And then he packed up his things and moved to Canada.
      http://tebedam.livejournal.com/123915.html
      And I do not blame him ...
      And ten years ago everyone was so proud of the Russian programmers, who occupy first places in various competitions.
      Not to mention that they studied with teachers working with Basic Fortran and / or Fortran IV.
      Now the level of teaching is at the level of mastering the software of a well-known company.
      But after all frames decide everything
  15. DNA
    DNA
    +2
    6 October 2012 13: 36
    Yes, in Russia there is an acute problem with technical personnel, basically everyone is trying to get higher education, and even humanitarian. And who will work at the enterprises? I live in the north of Kazakhstan. I have many friends who go on shift to work at Russian enterprises, mostly closer to the border.
    And normal post-Soviet education just needs to be studied, and not given up on paw, corruption in universities, those who want to study will learn to breed.
  16. kasper
    0
    6 October 2012 13: 56
    Indeed, entering a higher education institution is quite easy, because of this, there is a glut of managers, lawyers, economists on the labor market, and engineers, mechanics, and other technical specialists are required.
    1. staser
      +1
      7 October 2012 01: 27
      Not only technical! They forgot about teachers and doctors. Who will teach the future generation? And most importantly, who will treat?
  17. max-02215
    +4
    6 October 2012 14: 23
    You will notice that they write in the announcements: - specialists with work experience are required, that is, all at once, no one wants to educate their personnel. It’s easier to hire a guest worker, however, for business, and it’s always easier for government agencies. As a result, money and not small ones leave for the cordon, and the business itself stays away from the low purchasing power of the population. It's like in AI - they drag production to China and, at the same time, they groan about unemployment and the crisis. And the crisis is in the heads of our leaders. And these are all fairy tales that our people will not work where guest workers work! Yes, of course they won’t, for that kind of money they don’t, the state is obliged to protect its citizens, and first of all it must create equal conditions-- and not shout about the drunkenness of our workers .... damn well this is another topic
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +6
      6 October 2012 15: 21
      There are too few serious businesses. but they also have a shortage of skilled workers. The old school workers, specialists of the highest classification, are gradually leaving. There are practically no replacements. Example. There are a lot of people willing to work "under the flag". Those who wish in abundance. From officers to privates. But there is a position of a turner. The ship is a station wagon operator. There is always work to grind, mill and often complex profiles. But there are no good specialists. If you come across, you try with the truth, the lie to keep him in the carriage. For that, almost the entire crew, masters, bachelors including privates. But you can't grind a bolt with a diploma and you can't weld a hole.
      The time has come (it was left out) to train working class specialists.
      Remember the film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears". It clearly states that if there is no locksmith, the entire research institute will stop. The worker is a direct and most basic participant in the creation of a strong state. For now, our main profession is to buy-sell from a street tray to the top of power.
      1. sleepy
        +1
        6 October 2012 17: 34
        And from someone I heard that in the port they tried to park next to the Soviet ship, since there is always a mechanic with a head and ingenuity.

        I found something close to this topic on the Internet.
        http://d-pankratov.livejournal.com/758221.html

        “What happened to the USSR, said Eduardo Garcia Oses, is a great sorrow for many around the world, even for those who would be happy with the collapse of communism. And it’s not about politics. Those who considered themselves anti-communists were also without support. And it was not from class consciousness that people hoped for the USSR, not because “Flight of all countries, unite.” All this has not been so for a long time, and in the West, a worker is the same boar, only without money. said: “Man to man is brother.” And this is what everyone yearns for, no matter what they say in public.
        ... Because everyone here feels like flies stuck to adhesive paper. This paper is sweet, and it’s like you yourself were drawn to it, but when you saw it, it became sad. To resist all this propaganda of the "New World Order", which crawls into your soul and through the press, and through advertising, and through the window, a person has no strength. He gives up, but he always had the confidence that there is a Soviet Union in the world and there is a very cultured Soviet people who will not bite into a sweet bait and will not stick to a paper trap - and there, you see, it will help us to break away. And what do we see? It was this people that got stuck deeper than anyone else and believed in a completely incredible lie. If so, everything changes in the world ...
        ... If we talk about democracy, then here's a simple indicator for you - a doctor on a ship. If a society appreciates a fisherman or a sailor as a person, and not as a labor force, it is wasted on a doctor, this is democracy. That’s why our Spanish captains will come to the fishing area, First of all, they find out where the nearest Cuban or Soviet ships are, and try to always be within their reach. Because the Cubans and you have a doctor on any ship, and during fishing almost every day injuries, then the finger will tear off, then hook will hook. And people feel calmer when they know that if it’s serious, the boat with the Cuban doctor will arrive, he will get up with his briefcase and even, if necessary, will perform the operation. And he won’t take the money - he will laugh. Today you don’t give a damn about it, but let's see what the Russian fishermen will say tomorrow when they are left without a doctor, and the boatswain will advise them on the operation with consultations on radio. This is with us the top of the process.

        Or here's another - you say, a trifle. Previously, the Soviets had a biologist on almost every ship. We have always wondered where they got so many scientists. And for us it was very important that someone nearby was studying the sea and asking us. Every now and then the Soviet captains ask over the radio: hello, Eduardo, there you have a merloose, open your heels, count what is in her stomach - our biologist needs it. Do you think it doesn't matter for a fisherman - to feel like a member of the crew, who does not just drive the chase, but also conducts scientific work? It's important, but you didn't give a damn about it. And your fishermen will have tomorrow without doctors, and without biologists ... Will it be the only tomorrow for Russian fishermen? Something they became almost invisible. And when it is seen, it is sickening to look. Previously, Soviet ships were the cleanest and most beautiful. And today they look like pirates. They do not repair, do not paint, and do not even accept. In the last flight we went to Salepno, in Italy. A Russian ship is standing nearby, already under a false flag. And I have known the captain for a long time. At the ship the port punks are pounding - the Russians are spreading contraband, they brought boxes with American cigarettes. Then I look and can't believe my eyes - they are selling ropes from the ship, and one is dragging cans of paint. The ship is all rusty, and the paint is sold. I ask the captain - what's going on? And he laughs. Do you want, he says, give you a ship? Buy it, Eduardo, the ship is almost new. "

        http://d-pankratov.livejournal.com/758221.html
        1. Captain Vrungel
          0
          6 October 2012 18: 41
          In the good old Soviet times, on an average merchant ship, the crews reached 42 people, and on turbo and electric ships and more. The carriage included a doctor, a repair mechanic and a work team. plus "passenger" - 1st pom. captain (pompolit). Now 12-24 people. The condition of the ship depends primarily on the ship owner and the crew. The case you described concerned the first years of independence and independence, when the thieves became "shipowners" and had no idea about the nuances of the fleet. They threw crews not protected by ITF for self-survival. At present, serious companies have very strict requirements for the qualifications of the crew, the maintenance of the vessel with constant control, both by the company and by the coastal services of the ports. From the technical condition of the vessel, to the readiness of the crew for operation and damage control. The minimum wage for a private is from 1.400 USD and above. Meals not less than 6 USD per person per day or more. The mode of operation is usually 6 months, after 6, or 4 after 4. So who will take risks and steal. The blacklist is for life. No company will take you, especially now when the market is full of cheap Malay and Filipino sailors. There was one scourge of our sailors, the specialists are good, but drunkenness and not knowing the language. This is a thing of the past and the crews are mixed from representatives of different states. People value their work. It takes years to recognize a person on the shore. A week is enough on the ship. And home at your own expense, with fare replacement, from the nearest port of call.
          But there are sharazh, where people work from bezishodnost on rusty scrap metal like "not a river, not a sea." But they were practically ousted from the market.
          1. sleepy
            0
            6 October 2012 19: 37
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            At present, serious companies have very stringent requirements for crew qualifications and maintenance of the vessel with constant monitoring by both the company and the coastal port services.


            Maybe in other industries there are serious companies that will put things in order at enterprises with personnel?
        2. sleepy
          0
          7 October 2012 00: 15
          In this article, pride in belonging to the Soviet fleet.
          Now they are proud of belonging to one or another eminent company.
          The enlarged companies are transformed into transnational companies that place themselves above national interests.
          I once read a science fiction novel, The Cold Cash War, by the American science fiction writer Robert Asprin.
          In the described future, ordinary wars ceased to exist, but global corporations continue to fight for their economic interests. And to resolve contentious economic issues between corporations, mercenary armies were created. And when the army of one state tried to intervene in these showdowns, it was put in an uncomfortable position.
          1. kopcep
            0
            7 October 2012 18: 45
            Quote: sleepy
            global corporations continue to fight for their economic interests. And to resolve contentious economic issues between corporations, hired armies were created

            What a fantasy, what are you talking about? Most wars, if not all, have long been waged in the interests of capital (corporations, i.e. the ruling elite), and not the state (i.e., the majority of the country's population). Another thing is that capital has recently become so insolent that it doesn’t even try to rub points (declare crusades against villains) as mere mortals. They are already so weak under his heel that they just do not see any reason to rock the boat. And mercenary armies are not news either. The same Varangians in ancient times provided their services for a fee. And how many PMCs are currently operating in Afghanistan, Iraq and other hot spots is not hard to find out. And anyway, read Perkins John CONFESSION OF THE ECONOMIC KILLER. There your fantasy rests.
            1. sleepy
              +1
              8 October 2012 01: 11
              kopcep
              Thanks for the advice, I found it on the Internet, there will be time, I will definitely read it.
              And here's another from the Internet about the possible actions of specialists in economic killings.

              "US intelligence services and operations to eliminate nuclear scientists from Iran, North Korea and Russia
              http://dokumentika.org/spetssluzhbi/spetssluzhbi-ssha-i-operatsii-po-ustraneniiu

              -uchenich-yaderschikov-irana-kndr-i-rossii

              "The special services are eliminating the leading Russian scientists and designers engaged in the development of the latest types of weapons for the Russian army ... More than 10 scientists have been killed in 40 years. The flower of Russian science is being killed not only at home, but also abroad. In Washington, the famous nuclear physicist Andrei was shot dead Gorobets, and on the island of Malta Alexander Pikayev, an expert on international nuclear problems, was killed ... "
              "The murders have not been solved.
              Who else was killed
              August 19, 2006 - corresponding member RAS, geneticist Leonid Korochkin.
              November 10, 2006 - Hermitage Deputy Director Richard Dunin.
              December 28, 2005 - Alexander Artemyev, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Deputy Director for Research at the Institute of History, Archeology and Ethnography, Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
              January 22, 2003 - Vice-Rector of the Moscow State Academy of Fine Chemical Technologies named after M.V. Lomonosov Victor Frantsuzov.
              March 12, 2003 - Lecturer at the Finance and Law Academy Vadim Ryabtsev.
              June 3, 2003 - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Major General of Aviation Alexander Krasovsky (academician headed the department for 40 years at the Zhukovsky Academy, where Yuri Gagarin and German Titov were trained. - “AN”).
              September 25, 2002 - Sergey Melnik, Professor, Head of the Department of Pathological Anatomy at Vladivostok Medical University.
              December 26, 2002 - Rector of the Far Eastern State University of the Fishing Industry, ex-vice-governor of the Primorsky Territory Evgeny Krasnov. "
              "Five scientists from the leadership of the experimental design bureaus (OKB) as part of the Rosatom state concern were among the 45 passengers killed in the Tu-134 crash. These are the director and general designer of OKB Gidropress Sergei Ryzhov, his deputy Gennady Banyuk, chief designer Nikolai Trunov, the head of the department of Atomenergomash Valery Lyalin and the chief technologist of the Afrikantov Engineering Design Bureau Andrei Trofimov.
              Trofimov worked on the construction of a nuclear power plant in the Iranian Bushehr, Ryzhov was one of the leading specialists in the construction of a nuclear plant in India, the publication lists. All five flew to Petrozavodsk for an important meeting, where various issues related to the development of nuclear reactors were to be discussed. Their death, as it is recognized in Russia, was a heavy blow to the national nuclear industry, and it will take a lot of time and effort to recover from it. "

              And in Soviet times, leading designers and specialists lived in closed cities. under the protection of the state.
              1. kopcep
                +1
                8 October 2012 19: 24
                In the book's terminology, this is rather the work of jackals. Jackals are engaged in "physics". Those. physically eliminate strategically important people occupying positions of responsibility and actively opposing the work of EH (economic killers). Jackals work when they break off, do not cope with the work of the EHM. Well, if the jackals screw up, Uncle Sam enlists the army. Judging by the fact that jackals work in our country, not all is lost in our country. The successful activity of eu is a complete bondage for decades. Examples of their work are well described in the book. True, we envy many victims of eu for naivety believing Western lies. But over time, everything will fall into place.
                1. sleepy
                  0
                  9 October 2012 01: 17
                  Quote: kopcep
                  But over time, everything will fall into place

                  "PARITUR PAX BELLO" - peace is achieved by war (lat.).
                  1. Alex 241
                    0
                    9 October 2012 01: 18
                    Do you want the world to prepare for war. Isn’t it?
                    1. sleepy
                      +1
                      9 October 2012 01: 26
                      "PARITUR PAX BELLO" - aphorism of Cornelius Nepot.
                      The famous expression "Si vis pacem, para bellum" - "If you want peace, prepare for war."
                      is a paraphrase of this expression of Nepot.
                      1. sleepy
                        +1
                        9 October 2012 01: 30
                        "A similar thought was previously expressed by Cornelius Nepotus (Enaminond, V, 4: Paritur pax bello. The world is created by war"). "
                      2. Alex 241
                        +1
                        9 October 2012 01: 32
                        Thanks for the clarification. good
                      3. sleepy
                        +1
                        9 October 2012 02: 44
                        Quote: kopcep
                        But over time, everything will fall into place


                        “... The field is the world; the good seed are the sons of the kingdom, and the tares are the sons of the evil one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, as tares are gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the end of this age: the Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather all his temptations and do lawlessness from his kingdom, and plunge them into the fiery furnace; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth; then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear! ” (Matt. 13: 37-43).
  18. +2
    6 October 2012 15: 28
    Quote: darkman70
    There is no one to teach and nowhere? Mess. But there are thousands of unnecessary academies.

    And these thousands of Academies (within walking distance, like shops) draw hundreds of thousands of students from real universities
  19. Kir
    0
    6 October 2012 16: 25
    As a confirmation of the wrong vector of development of education, I can cite my friend years of study 1991-98 (2 academics! In the last year) MTI-MGTA University, now MSTU im. Kosygin, so in their graduation project (fur-tech faculty) for 96-98 the "volume" of fabrics decreased by as much as 3! times, not to mention "industrial practice", but the number of "optional mandatory" was quite decent, and only a small part of them went to help your future !!!
    As for the length of service and qualifications required by employers !!!, it’s generally .... but if you count everything over the former at that time, it is unlikely that there were so many! Not to mention the fact that many specialties do not require a good higher ! And as a conclusion from the article and today's realities! The system works for itself stubbornly ignoring realities and essentially killing itself.
  20. +1
    6 October 2012 17: 46
    Yes, soon a skilled worker will be worth its weight in gold, and a vocational school diploma will be appreciated - as now a higher education, and it is time for enterprises to allow training of personnel themselves as before.
    1. Kir
      0
      6 October 2012 17: 58
      The question is, who should I cook? I snooped here recently, there are no mentors. who would retrain! And part of enterprises, in fact, people do not seem to need, they themselves begin to dissuade, maybe you should not work with us! So that's it ...!
  21. sleepy
    0
    6 October 2012 17: 56
    What does the investment have to do with it, if the article is about education.

    An investment is called foreign monetary intervention, so it is more attractive to hearing. The State Department prints dollars and buys them domestic production, and accession to the WTO, it legitimizes at the financial level. The state’s share is declining. Taxes and profits go offshore.
    “... we have problems with offshore zones through which capital flows out and shelters”, that “people who grabbed a thick piece do not wait for the visit of the competent authorities, but transfer criminally acquired capital abroad and fall to the foreign bottom”. ..
    And investing in education for capital is dangerous with the loss of profit, it is easier to invite foreign workers.
  22. +2
    6 October 2012 18: 44
    to cut down Universities, institutes, and so on, and immediately the magic will increase tuition fees (and not so small) .on we need?
  23. sleepy
    +1
    6 October 2012 18: 57
    From the Internet about investors.
    http://www.nextrus.ru/interes/613-kak-putin-12-let-po
    "It is great that international investors are investing in Russia on a long-term basis. It is also gratifying that investments have begun to go not only in the raw materials industries ... But the essence of what is happening can be correctly expressed as follows - large international TNCs, together with their Russian ... um, partners are mastering Russian territory, using the competitive advantages that these very GM partners have created: low labor costs, weak trade unions and, accordingly, the opportunity for the investor to make more profit in more comfortable conditions.

    All this "splendor" of the achievements of modern global capitalism from several dozen subsidiaries of large international multinationals, which, as we see, growing together "in practice" with the top of the Russian bureaucracy very quickly, takes place against the backdrop of the ongoing degradation of genuinely Russian industry, about which people like Gref or Kudrin always so contemptuously, through gritted teeth, expressed themselves in a completely market-like spirit: they could not stand the competition (they say that they need a way there).
    And sometimes they deliberately contributed to the collapse of Russian enterprises in order to place TNC units on their premises.

    http://www.nextrus.ru/interes/613-kak-putin-12-let-po
    1. ole
      ole
      0
      6 October 2012 22: 53
      sleepy, All investments from abroad are conducted by their own companies that laundered money in offshore companies and changed their name
      1. sleepy
        0
        7 October 2012 00: 04
        ole
        All investments from abroad are conducted by their own companies that laundered money in offshore companies and, having laundered money, continue to transfer fixed assets to offshore. And, in addition, foreign companies representing TransNational companies take their share in order to adapt to foreign taxation. Then over the hill look white and fluffy. True, sometimes they can sue each other, like B. Berezovsky with R. Abramovich in London.

        http://www.forbes.ru/video/78465-o-chem-sporyat-berezovskii-i-abramovich
        What are Berezovsky and Abramovich arguing about? Cartoon.
  24. Patos89
    +1
    7 October 2012 01: 58
    I myself like it when Putin and Medvedev start saying that the workers aren’t enough for a turner welder, who doesn’t want to go, so we’ll increase the cost of training for higher and raise the mind for these specialties, how?
    1. Kir
      +1
      7 October 2012 14: 43
      An increase in wages, an increase in the final cost of the "product", because under our system it will turn out and, as a consequence, a lower competitive ability of this product! Much wiser, although who will subscribe to this to redistribute money within the "enterprise" reducing the salary to all managers and the like , and even better to make optimization with a serious reduction of these!, but someone will do this when they are most often "their own dear ones"! Let's not forget about the optimization of the production process, a vivid example is the "cancellation" of a number of GOSTs, the transition to TU and as a result, a decrease in quality, but not prices! As they say, the circle is closed !!
      And as a result, within the framework of this political and social system, changes for the better are extremely slow and unlikely !!! And you say Putin Medvedev, they are head over heels in this system!
      1. Patos89
        +1
        7 October 2012 19: 38
        Well, it means soon Tajiks will be working in factories.
  25. +2
    7 October 2012 04: 33
    Quote: kopcep
    It seems to me that you are confusing cause and effect. Not the education system is primary, but for the sake of which this education is given to people

    Corser, that's exactly what I said. Therefore, the customer of this education himself is needed, i.e. powerful scientific and industrial complex. And therefore the question is - will we continue to wait until the wild market will create such enterprises "by itself", or will we still hire normal managers, even if we will create large national enterprises from abroad, for example, for the production of mining equipment.
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Too few serious businesses. but they also have a shortage of skilled workers. Workers of the old school, specialists of the highest classification, are gradually leaving.

    That is why there is a shortage, because there are not so many enterprises. And if it’s not enough, then the people are afraid to get an education in the sphere of these same enterprises, they say, suddenly they will disappear!
    My father-in-law is already under 60 years old, everything works with some kind of super-qualified turner, who is entrusted exclusively with the restoration of the shafts of engines of heavy equipment. He says that they cannot find anyone in Magadan, whom he could raise as a shift. And he finished vocational schools and went there, because I knew that he would find a decent job, because industry was developed in almost every city of the USSR.
    But now lawyers with managers are "developed". And even then in quotation marks, but this is a separate conversation.
    1. kopcep
      +1
      7 October 2012 19: 41
      I would not say that it clearly follows from your message that you said that. Rather, the opposite follows. Why, I don’t see the point of proving, just re-reading is enough.
      About the wild market - a separate song. If anyone believes that the market is wild and with an unpredictable character, then only people are narrow-minded, lovers of fairy tales. Well, some believe in this tale ... But why on earth mix 2a with completely different types of market ?! The market of consumer goods (consumer goods) and the arms market. Why put the defense in a completely idiotic position? Do the manufacturers of weapons specifically for you need to prove the quality of your product with its export volumes abroad? But the enemies do not drive our tanks, but drive their own. How so? So our tanks are bullshit is not competitive (we did kick our gunsmiths into an absolutely wild, but fair market). Well, they are in the furnace! We will buy the best that is in the world, what are we suckers chtoli ?! Mistral, ..., ... is cool !!
      ! This is about your market in short.
      Now about
      Quote: Magadan
      we will hire normal managers, even from abroad and create large national enterprises

      About leaders from abroad. Read Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Killer. What such a leader will build for you is clear to the donkey. He will build a pump for further pumping out funds into his own pocket (in addition to those spent on construction). All the latest technologies are specialists from beyond the hill, who will not share their knowledge. For knowledge is power. And without knowledge of technologies (on the study of which a lot of everything is invested over the hill), technology (any) in the hands of savages is a pile of metal. And now, not Russians, but foreign specialists work at these enterprises. + I forgot to say that the equipment will also only be made in zabugor and only licensed (overpayment at times for show-off). Where is at least one + for a Russian person in such an enterprise? Maybe it will share its super-profits equally with everyone?
      Let's create a pro. Also a big question. If you mean the prevalence of the old into the new, it’s very difficult to make candy out of shit. It is much easier to make candy from quality raw materials. Those. it is easier to build the latest production from high-quality components with 0 than to try to upgrade existing morally obsolete ones to the same level. Another thing is that you should not throw out well-proven over time and ready to serve used materials for a long time (I'm talking about the good things that were in the Soviet system). In principle, to create anything from Russia can do anything from 0 Russia. Good resources are enough. It remains to determine what and how to create. Stupidly copying foreign analogues is not an option. They have their own system, we have our own, with its own characteristics. It is necessary to comprehend and alter well for your needs. And this is labor. Much easier to invite specialists from behind the hill ...
  26. +1
    7 October 2012 11: 35
    And we also have many foreign companies that buy products abroad (at home) that export money. Our income is under-received, and therefore under-invested in education.
  27. 0
    8 October 2012 00: 49
    significantly reduce the number of universities, reduce or completely prohibit labor immigration, and the results will appear immediately
  28. 0
    8 October 2012 08: 28
    Turner, milling workers were only pensioners!
    Every grandfather goes hunting - there are machines (their peers), but they don’t work
    to whom!
    But on TV, young people are invited to business incubators: "Come, we will teach you how to manage personnel." How can you manage something without experience? Who will work for them? Who needs all this crazy business?

    Urgent need to close 90% of universities!
    Leave one elite - for boss children - let them show off before each other, transfer the rest to Soviet norms.
  29. Patriot
    +2
    8 October 2012 10: 05
    Quote: sleepy
    sleepy
    Universities will be even smaller.
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/754961-0/
    By 2014, ten universities out of fifty will be closed in St. Petersburg.

    And rural schools are already smaller.
    http://www.novopol.ru/-za-pyat-let-v-rossii-zakryili-tyisyach-selskih-shkol-text




    121219.html
    In five years, 10 thousand rural schools were closed in Russia.
    Closed rural school - youth leaves forever and teachers without work. Such a village has no future.


    I WILL TELL MORE. THIS COUNTRY HAS NO FUTURE!
    THERE ARE YOU THE MOST VISUAL AND VARIOUS RESULTS OF THE DESTRUCTED ACTIVITIES OF THE GANG OF PUTIN.

    Comrades. The article is absolutely correct and clearly describes the modern reality of the country's development under the auspices of the enemy of Putin's people and his thieves' gang.
    Everything is extremely simple. After 1991, the comprador occupation forces operating in the country deprived us of our place in the global division of labor and took away the fate of the raw materials appendage of industrialized countries. For these purposes, within the framework of the Chubais seizure, TENS OF THOUSAND ENTERPRISES were deliberately bankrupted, looted and destroyed. And the rest - by a miracle, the survivors will be finished off Putin after joining the WTO.
    Consequently, the country does not need high-class engineers and workers, but only millions of lawyers and economists are needed. Ah, yes, yes, how could I forget ... I also need an army of sociologists, marketers, and all the bling-booby riffraff, who will join the ranks of the modern office plangton. That's just what they will do in a situation where the price of oil drops to $ 45-65?

    And now the question is for Putin's followers? If your idol is satisfied with the prevailing disastrous situation in education, agriculture and production (as well as in the army), then who is he after that, if not THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE?
  30. 0
    8 October 2012 12: 50
    recently there was a place like this:
    at one German metalworking company
    update the fleet. The choice fell on the newest series
    from GILDEMEISTER. And they will come from China.

    On the other hand, Japanese metalworking machines
    produced only in Japan. For not all money is measured
    permissible.
  31. Alex-UA
    0
    8 October 2012 16: 05
    The Sovetskaya education system was breaking down from kindergarten to university, and in Ukraine there was NO education as such and it started long before the Bologna process, probably even under Gorbachev and it was done purposefully, the staff received money and grants and merged everything.
  32. Patriot
    0
    9 October 2012 13: 28
    Perhaps that is why you write sovetskaya, not Soviet?
  33. Alex-UA
    0
    9 October 2012 13: 50
    Unfortunately, I use the Russian language only on the Internet, but it is forgotten unfortunately