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Under this term, understandable to certain and knowledgeable circles of the audience, we are planning a new series of articles on precision shooting. There are so many nuances and problems in accurate (and high-precision) shooting today that it can take quite a long time to sort them out. This is what we plan to do with the help of several experts who will not appear on the scene, but will guide our efforts in accordance with the principle of "do no harm."

Rifles, cartridges, protective suits, optics, thermal imagers - all this is the essence of accurate shooting in our time. Both in military and civilian terms, because it is in civilian life that the larvae of future snipers make their first shots at the target.



We will talk about all this within the framework of this cycle, but ... But let's start from a completely different point.

Sniper... Something unique, legendary, professional. A loner that deals damage to the enemy with point injections. Acting in isolation from his own, instilling fear in enemies - we will talk about such specialists some other time.


Yes, super pros, capable of hitting a person from two kilometers from a large-caliber rifle, they are, of course, worthy of conversation and reverence. This is undeniable.

But at the beginning of our conversations, we will talk about those guys that you can meet in any motorized rifle company. Shooters with a Dragunov rifle.


Call them snipers... Probably not. A sniper is something like that... In a special suit, with a high-precision rifle, with a partner, working on targets that he chooses... And here is just a shooter with an SVD who can fire a shot and hit a target at a distance of 400-600 meters. Like a machine gunner, only consuming less ammo.

If you need a definition - a universal shooter for working at short and medium distances. The Dragunov rifle, with all its pluses and minuses, allows you to work effectively at distances from 400 to 600 meters.

The difference between an army universal shooter and a classic sniper is that the shooter acts in the interests of a platoon or company. The targets for the universal shooter are machine gunners, grenade launchers, enemy commanders. Considering that in a normal battle there is not much time to select objects, the shooter works on any targets.

For the enemy, such a versatile shooter is a priority target. This is quite understandable and justified.

Naturally, such a shooter will not move further from his platoon ... further than 100-200 meters. No free searches, no "solitary voyages". Work in the interests of a platoon or company. No Hollywood-style shots, shooting just to incapacitate a person. Accordingly, it is not so important where the bullet hits, the main thing is that it hits.


And here we come to the first enemy of the modern army universal shooter.

Oddly enough, yes, the main enemy of the army shooter is not the SVD rifle, which only the lazy did not speak about. The main enemy of the sniper is his commander. And, involuntarily.

Where we train snipers, many can say. Blagoveshchensk, Khabarovsk, Solnechnogorsk, Kovrov and many other settlements of the country. There are establishments where skills are really polished, and guys (and sometimes girls) who can shoot at the level of 2-1 categories can turn out to be cool shooters.

Army company snipers, however, are not trained there. These guys are recruited from the personnel at hand. By what signs - depends on the commander who produces the set.

Often, when there were no people in the recruitment who had at least some shooting training before being drafted, the shooter is assigned "from the bulldozer." Just because someone has to take the position of platoon sniper and carry and clean the "oar".

The duties of a sniper are spelled out in all documents and even on the website of the Ministry of Defense. It’s quite funny there, for some reason, related civilian specialties are indicated: an engraver, a huntsman, a hunting hunter, a photographer, a jeweler-engraver. Funny? Yes, it's funny.

As for the training of a combined arms sniper, then, according to the same site, "Sniper training is carried out directly at the place of service in the troops."

How we can do this, there is enough information on the Internet. We only note that the training of a sniper is one thing, and the training of a shooter with an SVD is quite another.

Unfortunately, but a fact: today the RF Armed Forces completely lack at least some kind of unified system for training snipers and sniper units. Yes, snipers are trained at these courses, and they are trained to a high standard, but this is really a piece of work. In parts, there is nothing, starting from the regulatory framework and ending with the course of firing. About such things as disguise, we just keep quiet.

This is not an isolated problem, we are preparing snipers for army special forces on a single occasion. And for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, training a shooter with an SVD is a personal hemorrhoid of company and platoon commanders. Prepare as you wish.

Considering that the platoon commander is a lieutenant who came from the school, attention, the question is: what can he give from his side to the private who was called up after college, who saw the SVD exclusively on the screen of his computer?

And the lieutenant, quite possibly, the SVD himself observed just like that, then the answer is simple, like a cartridge - nothing.

Of course, if the unit is combat, there are contract soldiers who have gained some experience over several years of service, then something else is possible. But given the year of service, even a shooter with an SVD in our case will not be able to properly prepare. But there is some hope that the signatories of the contract will be able to learn something in the process of service and portray, if necessary, something meaningful.

However, there are cases when, on the orders of the commander, the shooter abandoned his SVD, took the AK and went to storm the house or comb the landings. A very common practice since 2014 on the other side, and in our NWO it also happens all around and nearby.

The question arises "Which one?" or why.

Again, a quote from the website of the RF Ministry of Defense, taken from the BUSV:

“The sniper is part of the motorized rifle squad. It can act both together with the department and in a separate special group. Two snipers can perform the assigned task jointly (one fires, the other corrects the shooting and, if necessary, covers a comrade with fire).

The combat mission of a sniper, as a rule, includes the destruction of the most important targets in the enemy’s position (officers, observers, machine gunners, liaison officers, crew members tanks and calculations of guns, operators of anti-tank missile systems, etc.).

Fire from a sniper rifle can be fired at embrasures of pillboxes, bunkers, observation posts, air targets.

And here we come to the most interesting. Who leads the sniper during combat?

In theory, it should be the platoon leader. Despite the fact that the sniper is part of the squad, the squad leader is simply not able to provide the sniper with a normal combat mission and (especially) target designation.

Squad Leader - Sgt. Assigned from the same environment as the SVD shooter. We don’t have any sergeant schools, because the comrade squad leader simply has no idea in the first (and also in the second) time what to do with this ... sniper.

In addition, the squad leader often simply does not have information about who is in front of him and collects all the information directly on the battlefield, so to speak, visually.

And it’s absolutely not worth puffing about the fact that everything is wrong in our army. Just take care to listen to the radio conversations recorded and dumped on the Internet and evaluate the extent of what is happening in battle. Everything is exactly so, and no one will spread out before the sergeant, telling him where and what the enemy has. He will see for himself if he wants to live. Or he won't see. Anything can happen.

The platoon leader is still worse. It has three branches. And the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwhere the sniper's attention should be directed is the most remote.


If the platoon is defending, then all right. You can send a shooter with SVD to help repel an enemy attack. You look, he will make five shots and there will be a sense from this.

If the platoon attacks... What sniper? The platoon leader is hot without him. So the order to go along with the squad, changing the rifle to a machine gun, will look very clear. Or find your own goals.

And now we have come to understand that in modern combat in the Russian army, this SVD shooter has minimal value. And God forbid that the guy was handy and with brains. Then he can be useful. If not, alas. All this shooting at loopholes and air targets is nonsense.

It turns out that no one in the platoon needs a shooter with an SVD. And, note, this is not a sniper trained in the courses, who will be able to equip a competent position and from there click enemy officers from a distance of a kilometer. This is an ordinary fighter with a rifle that will allow him to confidently hit someone from a distance of 400 meters. For especially advanced ones - from 600.

And then such a thought creeps in: do commanders need it? Even in defense, the company / platoon commander has a lot of problems in his area, and then there’s a sniper ... Who also needs to be indicated where the enemy has artillery, where headquarters, machine gun crews ... This is necessary so that the company commander himself obtains this information somewhere and shares with a sniper. And where will the company commander take her? Yes, the question ... That is, if the regimental intelligence works out, but at the headquarters they will give everything on a silver platter ...

Even a trained sniper is not easy. How is it in the statute? Officers and observers? With the current unification of the form, it is not so easy to do. In our country, however, any battalion commander can be calculated by the signalman who runs after him with a chest over his shoulders. But the enemy is worse with this.

The only thing a sniper can treat himself to is to really bring down all living things that he can reach. But it seems to us that this hunt will not last very long.


Yes, it is worth considering the development of technical intelligence tools. How many shots can a sniper fire before he hits the UAV lenses? And what does it mean for him? Rocket with shock drone Or a cheaper meal? For example, a mortar salvo.

By the way, any commander, whether company, platoon, is unlikely to be happy with such attention from the enemy.

And it turns out that a real sniper who comes with a partner from a sniper unit, say, a brigade, will quiet down somewhere aside and will nightmare the enemy - this is good from the point of view of a company commander. He doesn't need to rack his brains over anything other than fire cover, in case these are spotted.

But ours, who need to take their places, indicate the goals, give the order, responsibility again ... It is not known yet, they will be able to show something there, but there is a fair amount of pain from them.

Moreover, the company commander is well aware of the level of training of his own. And if he is the one we are talking about, then it is better to let him really take an ordinary AK-74 and go on the attack with everyone. It might not do much good, but it won't hurt either.

What is the outcome?

In order for an ordinary with SVD to turn into a station wagon shooter, you need to teach. Moreover, to teach not only the private, but also the sergeant who commands the department in which the shooter is. It is necessary to teach the platoon leader, first of all, the ability to use the shooter. And a company commander, but it’s already easier with him, he was a platoon commander, to teach how and to whom to attach shooters from the SVD.

Shooter with SVD - it's the same weapon, like a machine gunner with a decent (not RPK-74) machine gun: no matter where you put it, you can’t use it carelessly. There should be a really modern regulatory framework for the use, explaining almost everything (not foreseeing everything) regarding the use of shooters with SVD.

In the meantime, very often a shooter with an SVD in a platoon is like a suitcase without a handle: it seems that there is one in the state, but in general, well, it is.

Meanwhile, a shooter with SVD should not turn into an anarchist scumbag, "whoever I see, I shoot at him." He must work as part of a subunit and only according to the target designations of the platoon group commander, then this will be the maximum benefit from both the soldier and his rifle.
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  1. +10
    25 May 2022 18: 07
    A shooter with an SVD is the same weapon as a machine gunner with a decent (not RPK-74) machine gun: no matter where you put it, you won’t use it carelessly.
    Thanks Roman for your words.
    1. +1
      25 May 2022 18: 21
      Sniper is a profession. And besides, a very rare profession.
      1. +6
        25 May 2022 23: 08
        I would add that it is also a calling. Rarely, but met the shooters are simply amazing.
      2. 0
        29 August 2022 13: 09
        Sniper is a profession. And besides, a very rare profession.


        As rare as a squad leader, mechanic driver, machine gunner, grenade launcher, but there are many shooters, but they also need to be taught and used correctly.
    2. -4
      25 May 2022 19: 35
      RPK-74, 7,62 is an excellent machine gun, I shot a lot from it. The distance of destruction, unlike AKM - 7.62, increases by at least 200-300 meters and there is no such dispersion of bullets. Due to the long and powerful barrel, it works almost like an SVD if fired single. soldier
      1. -6
        25 May 2022 20: 06
        Quote: V.
        RPK-74, 7,62 is an excellent machine gun, I shot a lot from it

        You will probably be upset, but there is no such machine gun under such a cartridge. There is RPK -201.
        Learn the materiel. hi
        1. +22
          25 May 2022 22: 41
          Quote: fif21
          You will probably be upset, but there is no such machine gun under such a cartridge. There is RPK -201.

          You will probably be upset too, but the PKK has been under 7,62 all your life. RPK-5,45 was under 74, and RPK-201 was developed under 5,56. hi
        2. +13
          25 May 2022 22: 58
          Quote: fif21
          You will probably be upset, but there is no such machine gun under such a cartridge. There is RPK -201.
          Teach materiel

          Apparently I'm upsetting you. RPK-201 5,56-45.
          TTX RPK -201
          Caliber 5,56 mm
          Cartridge5,56x45 mm
          Sighting range1000 m
          Weight (unloaded) 5,2 kg
          Magazine capacity45 rounds
          A RPK-203 caliber 7,62
          Probably you two need to learn some materiel. hi
          1. +2
            25 May 2022 23: 59
            Quote: kapitan92
            Probably you two need to learn some materiel.

            I agree ! Need to learn. recourse Especially export weapons. RPK-201 chambered for 5,65, RPK-203 chambered for 7. hi
            1. +3
              26 May 2022 00: 12
              Quote: fif21
              RPK-201 chambered for 5,65,

              hi drinks
              5,65?
              1. +1
                26 May 2022 00: 43
                Quote: kapitan92
                Quote: fif21
                RPK-201 chambered for 5,65,

                hi drinks
                5,65?

                Well big-eyed! drinks It's time to sleep. hi
          2. +4
            26 May 2022 22: 33
            Probably you two need to learn some materiel.
            Aha! Two "great experienced shooters"! laughing
        3. +3
          25 May 2022 23: 01
          . There is RPK -201.

          You are also "right", there is such a machine gun ... chambered in NATO 5,56x45 mm. smile

        4. +4
          26 May 2022 02: 02
          I served in the years 75-77, I don’t remember the exact name of the RPK, the caliber is exactly 7.62, the AKM personal weapon, 7.62, the muzzle compensator is a cut ring, and not long as it is now. The RPK had the same compensator, a 45-round magazine, there were round magazines but they were not used. At the shooting range two or three times a week, the norm is 15 rounds. In principle, I was not interested in weapons and what modifications, I don’t know the numbers by year of production. soldier
          1. -1
            26 May 2022 22: 49
            I served in the years 75-77, I don’t remember the exact name of the RPK, the caliber is exactly 7.62, the AKM personal weapon, 7.62, the muzzle compensator is a cut ring, and not long as it is now. The RPK had the same compensator, a 45-round magazine, there were round magazines but they were not used.
            Well! Exculpatory explanations followed from the field of "I don't remember exactly" ... Dear Vladimir, you'd better not continue to write further, otherwise it turned out like in that saying - the farther into the forest, the more firewood! The 7,62-mm RPK (RPKM) and its other versions have a 40-round magazine (not counting the 75-round drum) !!!!, and only the 45-mm RPK-5,45 has 74 rounds in the magazine !!! wink
            And how can you make some (like competently) assessments such
            7,62 is an excellent machine gun, I shot a lot from it. The distance of destruction, unlike AKM - 7.62, increases by at least 200-300 meters and there is no such spread of bullets. Due to the long and powerful barrel, it works almost like an SVD if fired single.
            , if you don’t even really remember the name (by your own admission !!!?
            How could you SHOOTING A LOT from it if your standard weapon was AKM, and even set comparative estimates in terms of range as much as 200-300 m (laboratory studies were carried out ??), and even comparing with SVD? And you also "shot a lot" with SVD to compare ??! wink Maybe you can also tell us some unique-new features for everyone (personally discovered by you) in the SVD, in the capacity of the store, or in something else ...? laughing
            1. -2
              27 May 2022 08: 38
              If you don't believe me, take it as a fairy tale. Each branch of the military has its own characteristics. I served as Deputy head of security and defense, electrician of underground missile systems. And everything that was from small arms I tried everything without restrictions. According to his position, he is obliged to shoot perfectly and train his unit to shoot from given funds. Almost all weapons had optical sights with a night vision function.
              I then and now all the names, numbers, modifications to the bulb. What was given from that and I shoot. We didn't have SVD. The principle was to flood everything with dense continuous fire. My personal opinion is that the RPK with a good aim is no worse than the SVD. For infantry units, the SVD is probably just right, they are in the field, in the trenches, and we are in defensive bunkers.
              In reality, AK or AKM 7.62 is effective for an average fighter up to 300-400 meters.
              RPK 7.62 for a good trained shooter 600-800 meters.
              Almost 50 years have passed, of course I can get confused in the capacity of stores and some details.
              Before forbidding me to write, write down your experience of military service, what you fired from, how many shots you fired for your service, position. soldier
              1. +1
                28 May 2022 01: 29
                Each branch of the military has its own characteristics. I served as Deputy head of security and defense, electrician of underground missile systems. And everything that was from small arms I tried everything without restrictions. According to his position, he is obliged to shoot perfectly and train his unit to shoot from given funds. Almost all weapons had optical sights with a night vision function.
                I then and now all the names, numbers, modifications to the bulb. What was given from that and I shoot. We didn't have SVD. The principle was to flood everything with dense continuous fire. My personal opinion is that the RPK with a good sight is no worse than the SVD
                Dear "deputy head of security and defense"! It’s one thing to try “everything that was”, and it’s another thing to study, maintain, operate for a long time and, based on YOUR GREAT EXPERIENCE, teach! And what, pardonte, do you have a lot of experience and knowledge of the materiel of small arms, if for you "both then and now all the names, numbers, modifications to the light bulb .."?! request Can you tell me more about this:
                Almost all weapons had optical sights with a night vision function.
                ??
                As I understand it, the electrical technician is still your full-time VUS, and the "deputy head of security and defense" is already on the combat schedule, in case the adversary threatens to attack the position, i.e. non-staff position (speaking in school-civilian - optional). And in this context, you don’t need to tell me how much you shot there! Your main activity, according to the duties of the DBK (BSP) staffing table, especially when he is on combat duty, is not at all to shoot from a machine gun or something else, but to deal with his complex, study it, support its BG, carry out regulations ... If you didn’t know, and even forgot, then I’ll tell you - shooting from small arms in the USSR Armed Forces was carried out not from the bay, but in accordance with the Combat Training Program (types / types of troops) and firing courses ... Only now in the Combat Training Program of the Missile Forces, a priori, very little time was allotted for fire training from small arms, because the DBK is YOUR MAIN WEAPON! And your combat training programs were sharpened precisely UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF DBK, according to the Higher Educational Institutions, and not some kind of AK! That's why you don't even remember the name wink And how could you "try everything without restrictions" in such a situation, shooting a lot ... "two or three times a week" ??! No, if you served, for example, in some boron (security and reconnaissance battalion) of a missile division, then it’s clear that small arms are a priority there and according to the combat training program it is prescribed to master them masterfully! But you, pardonte, are an "electrical technician of underground missile systems" and 2-3 times a week at the shooting range (and this takes up the bulk of the day) !!! But what about the BSP, it functioned on its own, if the persons with the HUDs of the combat crews of the complex 3 days a week not at the complex, but at the shooting range with infantry work ??!
                I didn't stop you from writing. I only suggested you not to do this, because no matter how you write, you have another something looming, to put it mildly, not in your favor ... wink As I understand it, if you served in 75-77 years, then you served as an urgent (soldier / sergeant) ...? I think if you were a two-year officer after graduation, you would at least remember the names of weapons better, even though we called them (two-year-olds) "jackets" ...
                Well, I served 21 years and 8 calendar months (a little over 28 years on a preferential basis), for a career officer. He made a lot of shots, because. the first half of the service had a chance to serve in the infantry (motorized rifle units and subunits) and tank units of the Ground Forces ... At the same time, 2 years and 4 months in Afghanistan in a motorized rifle regiment ... The second ten years I had to shoot less, since I had to serve already in Air Defense Forces, where, as in the Strategic Missile Forces, small arms are not the main ones ... But even there, he periodically took out (brought out) the unit to the planned training firing and fired himself. At the same time, all my life I have been in unit commanders, and, accordingly, the head of classes in the unit and the head of fire at the site / senior head of fire at the shooting range ... And although 20 years have already passed since the end of the service, I have a normal memory, for many years occupations of the position of the Course of firing from CO on the subcortex were normally deposited. Therefore, many of your declared figures, excuse me, cause, to put it mildly, irony lol
                1. 0
                  28 May 2022 12: 04
                  This morning I answered you at length, but the Internet did not accept something.
                  Briefly - What I learned from the army is how difficult it is to argue and talk with regular officers, especially with intelligent majors.
                  All the best and health to you. Goodbye.
      2. -1
        26 May 2022 22: 30
        RPK-74, 7,62 is an excellent machine gun, I shot a lot from it
        ... belay Here it is yea! Will you let me shoot with such a machine gun ?! wink Ile ento you, sir, smoked the herbs of the fence ... and you dreamed of such visions ?! wassat
      3. 0
        3 June 2022 12: 43
        If anything, rpk74, caliber 5.45 mm !!!!
  2. +19
    25 May 2022 18: 08
    To make a shooter out of a person, you must first of all give him the opportunity to shoot a lot and often at the shooting range .. Sparing no time and cartridges. And this is the only way. How is it with this in the current army?
    1. -5
      25 May 2022 21: 12
      Yes right there wassat , at 400m from the AK-74, without any preparation, hit, in a long burst. But then, after all, you need optics feel .
  3. +4
    25 May 2022 18: 12
    Lying on the couch I'll say this
    Since all armies will now cling to the defense only for cities, it is necessary to form separate assault detachments for exhausting street battles, where there are 15 long-range snipers, 15 ATGM operators, 20 cover fighters ... With bumblebees. But for this you need a season 2 at least
    1. +13
      25 May 2022 18: 41
      separate assault squads where 15 long-range snipers, 15 ATGM operators, 20 cover fighters.

      New, this is a well-forgotten old ... since 1942, in each rifle regiment, bvli were created by one separate company
      machine gunners, which included a platoon of snipers. For example, before the attack of the regiment, they occupied covert positions, allowing them to aim at the embrasures and firing points of the enemy. When units of the regiment went on the attack and the enemy took up places for firing after shelling and began to shoot at infantry running on the attack and not having the opportunity to shoot accurately, it was then that snipers and machine gunners started shooting from a prone position at distances up to 200-300 meters, extinguishing machine guns and individual shooters.

      And if now in urban battles use units of 15-20 shooters with SVD, then they could block any attempt to snap from the windows of a multi-storey building, having distributed the windows that need to be controlled in advance.
      1. +11
        25 May 2022 19: 03
        I could be wrong, but in Mariupol our losses were mainly from snipers, and all the Generals also seemed to have died from snipers ...
        1. +6
          25 May 2022 20: 59
          I could be wrong, but in Mariupol our losses were mainly from snipers, and all the Generals also seemed to have died from snipers ...

          Make no mistake, the Ukrainians fought in Mariupol with sniper groups. Machine guns practically did not use a too noticeable target, it is quickly detected and destroyed. And for some reason, we have a shortage of snipers and weapons, even mosquito snipers came from warehouses.
          1. +3
            26 May 2022 09: 46
            The LPR had sackcloths
        2. -6
          25 May 2022 21: 18
          Windows in all buildings in a row, it is advisable to treat from afar with shells with remote detonation or shrapnel, add cumulative ones through the walls, and then send a couple of 30-mm shells into each window. And if this does not help, then fill up the building with high-explosive shells or from 152-mm self-propelled guns. As one of the options for fire treatment preceding the assault.
          1. +8
            25 May 2022 22: 01
            Why not the atomic bomb? There's a bomb for every house...
            1. -8
              25 May 2022 22: 18
              Pairs of tanks with shrapnel and HEAT shells, then pairs of infantry fighting vehicles or armored personnel carriers with 30-mm guns for each window, should be enough, and only then RPGs and grenade launchers during a close assault. If the equipment cannot come up or the building has large windows, then you can get by with the processing of AGS from closed positions.
              Here, on the site, the larger the stars on shoulder straps, the lower the knowledge and adequacy, a paradox.
              1. +3
                26 May 2022 15: 05
                Why only on the website? In our country, such a phenomenon is very common - the larger the size of the star on shoulder straps, the lower the knowledge and adequacy. There is no paradox if you know in what place and how these stars fall on shoulder straps.
            2. +3
              26 May 2022 10: 48
              Quote: Konnick
              Why not the atomic bomb? There's a bomb for every house...

              In each window on "Yars", then a couple of 30 mm shells and you can go wassat
              1. 0
                31 May 2022 11: 43
                I don’t feel sorry for anything for the “brothers”, especially 30-mm shells. And you?
          2. -1
            3 June 2022 23: 57
            What is the house's fault? Will you suppress the enemy, smoke, or destroy the infrastructure?
      2. +1
        25 May 2022 21: 29
        I recognize the "specialist" from afar wassat . Actually, there is such an effect, the blackroom effect is called bully . If the enemy is located in the depths of the window opening, then it will be extremely difficult to see him, even a crowd of snipers from the street may not see him. It is necessary to process all the windows in a row, with shells with ready-made striking elements and from small-caliber guns, and also to hammer from RPGs wherever they hit. When assaulting buildings, it is desirable to have AKs with relatively short barrels and grenade launchers, while snipers, machine gunners and grenade launchers should have pistols.
        1. +4
          26 May 2022 09: 47
          Have you ever stormed a house yourself?
          1. 0
            26 May 2022 10: 47
            Have you ever stormed a house yourself?

            He is an ensign, warehouse manager.
            1. +2
              26 May 2022 10: 50
              I don't need a salary, give me the keys to the warehouse? Good job)))
        2. 0
          4 June 2022 00: 00
          The reflection and smoke of the gunshots are visible even from the black room.
      3. +1
        25 May 2022 21: 33
        Quote: Konnick
        since 1942, in each rifle regiment, bvli were created by one separate company of machine gunners, which included a platoon of snipers

        In the OShS MSBR today there is a platoon of snipers in the amount of 3 departments of 7 people each. And in the 27th Motorized Rifle Brigade there is a whole rifle company (snipers) in the state. And if you start talking about "snipers with SVD" and their place in the motorized rifle troops, then for a start it would be nice to get acquainted with what is happening in the Army today. Find people who really served in these units .... In the end, you can ride to Tyoply Stan and just get to know this company, t.s. personally ... And so, all this is picking out thoughts in the direction of the topic. request
        1. 0
          26 May 2022 09: 48
          Warm camp is not an indicator
          1. -1
            26 May 2022 10: 57
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            Warm camp is not an indicator

            An existing connection is not an indicator for you, but what is an indicator for you? OShS typical MSBR? So it's pretty much the same there. Collect all snipers from units and bring them into one specialized platoon. Obviously, his own combat training program has been formed for him, somewhat different from a simple MSV. Again, it would be right to ask how this is carried out in practice in life. In any case, this is more true than armchair theorizing.
            1. +1
              26 May 2022 16: 47
              Quote: Hagen
              Collect all snipers from units and bring them into one specialized platoon.

              During an emergency in Ulan-Ude, I observed such a platoon. They worked separately.
    2. 0
      27 May 2022 00: 02
      They forgot about the UAV. Where without them in modern times in VO.
  4. +9
    25 May 2022 18: 26
    Squad Leader - Sgt. Assigned from the same environment as the SVD shooter. We don’t have any sergeant schools, because the comrade squad leader simply has no idea in the first (and also in the second) time what to do with this ... sniper.

    In addition, the squad leader often simply does not have information about who is in front of him and collects all the information directly on the battlefield, so to speak, visually.


    Actually, I was taught a squad sniper is always next to the squad leader, the squad leader indicates priority targets, target designation for the squad can also come from the sniper himself, since he has optics.
    1. +7
      25 May 2022 19: 03
      Quote: Konnick
      can also come from the sniper himself, since he has optics.
      He has a PSO-1, so to say that "he has optics" is too pompous, it's rather "better than nothing."
      1. +6
        25 May 2022 19: 34
        Quote: bk0010
        He has a PSO-1, so to say that "he has optics" is too pompous

        I completely agree, the SVD needs a different sight, an analogue of software 3-9x24 ...
      2. 0
        25 May 2022 21: 04
        He has PSO-1

        It does target designation not only because of the optics, but because it has cartridges with tracers for target designation. It is undesirable for an ordinary shooter to have them, unmasks.
        1. -2
          25 May 2022 21: 58
          You surprise me more and more, bridge specialist. feel . Where does the information come from that tracers are not desirable for an ordinary shooter? If the shooting will be carried out at ranges greater than 200m, tracers, especially for firing in long bursts, are simply necessary.
    2. -1
      25 May 2022 21: 54
      Where is it taught? In my time, the shooter from the SVD was one per platoon. And only recently, with the advent of SVD with a folding butt, snipers began to be placed on equipment almost without difficulty, and more snipers appeared.
      1. -1
        25 May 2022 21: 59
        In fact, a sniper has been in every department for a long time. And they taught at the training ground of the school. Supreme Soviet...
        1. -6
          25 May 2022 22: 09
          In the training department, maybe in everyone, but in reality there was one per platoon. A sniper by all means next to the squad leader is something. You are giving out such pearls here that it seems you were not taught at all.
  5. +9
    25 May 2022 19: 06
    Analytics is like that good A career platoon commander who saw the SVD in the picture? Seriously?
    In the company of cadets there are 1-2 SVD, PKM, RPK, in addition to machine guns. Shooting (leading to a normal battle, serving, etc.) is taught from all MSV weapons.
    1. +7
      25 May 2022 19: 22
      Quote: strannik1985
      A career platoon commander who saw the SVD in the picture? Seriously

      Constantly "extinguished" from the SVD. The machine is boring, and the paddle is for fun.
      I agree, the analytics is so ... armchair.
  6. +7
    25 May 2022 19: 20
    ... like a machine gunner with a decent (not RPK-74) machine gun ...
    In vain so about the RPK-74. A good machine gun for its tasks. Light, accurate, under our standard ammunition, shooting from it is a pleasure. Although it looks unsightly and somehow easy too. PC, of ​​course, is more brutal.
    1. +7
      25 May 2022 20: 39
      In vain so about the RPK-74. A good machine gun for its tasks. Light, accurate, under our standard ammunition, shooting from it is a pleasure.

      The authors don't know about it. This machine gun in Yugoslavia was converted into an excellent M76 sniper, the combination of a thick barrel and a 5,45 cartridge allows you to shoot more accurately at a distance of 400 meters than the SVD. Put the optics on the machine gun and you get a universal weapon.
      1. Fat
        +3
        26 May 2022 08: 18
        There is a RPK with a bar in "nature" - RPKL is my regular one. A night sight was installed on the bar in our company, but I never even held it in my hands. That's how wonderfully we were taught to use personal weapons.

    2. 0
      26 May 2022 20: 18
      At 80 I shot from a PK, a rifle cartridge, a direct shot range of about 300 m. Heavy but powerful, the difference is felt from a regular 7,62 submachine gun cartridge when you shoot from an RPK.
  7. +7
    25 May 2022 19: 26
    Information slipped through the article that there are no sergeant schools now, is this true? I'm in stupor. He himself graduated from the Higher School of Migration, where he was excellently trained in shooting with its own specifics for the Strategic Missile Forces. soldier
  8. -4
    25 May 2022 22: 07
    If you look at our main potential enemy (I'm not talking about Ukraine), then he does not have such "shooters with an oar" either in the squad, or in the platoon, or even in the company. In general, there is no sniper rifle in caliber 7,62 mm. Only 12,7 mm. Sniper teams are attached separately, usually at the battalion level. Accordingly, the task of training snipers is not assigned to tactical-level commanders.

    And, if you think about it, what tasks can a shooter with an SVD solve in a squad or platoon that a machine gunner with a PC could not solve?

    But, by the way, what they have at the company level is a mortar section with two 60 mm mortars. And they really appreciate these mortars, and they are not going to refuse them.
    1. +4
      26 May 2022 16: 20
      A highly controversial statement.
      Where, in this case, would you order the infantry snipers (Marksman) to be taken?
      It is they who perform this role from the level of the department and above.
      Weapons - yes, as much as possible unified with the weapons of the rest of the unit, however, it is still specialized for accurate shooting - look at the same SAM-R or M21.
      And the task of such an infantry sniper is high-quality fire reinforcement of the unit, he is well integrated into its structure both in attack and in defense.
      And yes, they don’t save on preparation - a person must be able to shoot and navigate the battlefield.
      1. 0
        26 May 2022 16: 38
        Quote: gfs84
        Weapons - yes, as much as possible unified with the weapons of the rest of the unit, but it is still specialized for accurate shooting - look at the same SAM-R or M21

        As far as I understand, this is only in specialized units. Marines, rangers, marines (although this is already a separate army in itself). There is no such thing in the line army infantry.
        1. +1
          26 May 2022 17: 33
          As far as I understand, this is only in specialized units.

          No, to the US Army (we consider it as an integral part of the US armed forces, this also applies.
          There is no such thing in the line army infantry.

          The minimum unit is a detachment (Squad), since 1963 (then the Marksman was introduced, since then there have been some changes - the main of which is the crew of the armored personnel carrier is now not part of the detachment) consists of 9 people:
          1. squad leader;
          2. two assistants (each commander of the four fighters);
          3. two machine gunners (armed with single machine guns);
          4. infantry sniper (Marxman, by the way, for some reason they often combine the functions of orderlies);
          5. three arrows.
          1. +1
            26 May 2022 18: 22
            Here is the composition of the infantry branch in the army:
            ​→ 3× Rifle Squads (9 Enlisted each)​

            1× Squad Leader (11B), Staff Sergeant (OR-6), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine
            Alpha Team (4 men)
            1× Team Leader (11B), Sergeant (OR-5), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine
            1× Automatic Rifleman (11B), Specialist (OR-4), armed with 1 M249 Light Machine Gun
            1× Grenadier (11B), Specialist (OR-4), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine and 1 M320 40mm Grenade Launcher
            1× Rifleman (11B), Private First Class (OR-3), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine and 1 AT4 disposable light anti-tank weapon*
            Bravo Team (4 men)
            1× Team Leader (11B), Sergeant (OR-5), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine
            1× Automatic Rifleman (11B), Specialist (OR-4), armed with 1 M249 Light Machine Gun
            1× Grenadier (11B), Specialist (OR-4), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine and 1 M320 40mm Grenade Launcher
            1× Rifleman (11B)**, Private First Class (OR-3), armed with 1 M4A1 Carbine and 1 AT4 disposable light anti-tank weapon*

            * Each squad is authorized two disposable shoulder-fired munitions (general AT-4s) which would go to the Riflemen.
            ** If a rifleman receives the proper training and is skilled enough, they may be designated a squad designated marksman. They may be armed with a M4A1 Carbine with a high power optic, Mk 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR), M110 SASS, or newer M110A1 CSASS (as of 2018-9). However, the usage of designated marksmen is not too common.

            The selection of a "marksman" in the squad is possible, but this is not very common.
    2. 0
      27 May 2022 07: 18
      Quote: DenVB
      And, if you think about it, what tasks can a shooter with an SVD solve in a squad or platoon that a machine gunner with a PC could not solve?

      The position of the machine gun is much more static, requiring equipment and fortification. We do not take into account light machine guns. The work of the machine-gun point is immediately detected, and fire is immediately concentrated on it. And if it is not long-term reinforced concrete with armor, then the machine-gun crew is a fast khan. Also, the speed of position change is incomparable with that of a sniper (or a "sharp soldier with SVD"). Weight of wearable ammunition, machine, maneuvering. Well, the machine gunner and the "sniper with an oar" do not solve identical tasks. Not mb interchangeability. Even in the field, even along the street.
  9. +4
    25 May 2022 22: 21
    Never a sniper. Not even a marksman. But I read and analyzed a lot of things. Here is from Konstantin Simonov, about the training of snipers from the Germans and from us. We have - drill, charters, chemical, political. The Germans have shooting before, after and instead of lunch. Plus classes in camouflage and survival. So much for shooting up to 400 and beyond. Guess who shot at long range. And now there are so many things that the platoon "sharp shooter" has not even seen in computer games.
    In order not to clog: do you need well-aimed arrows at the bottom? Undoubtedly. The sniper is a piece of goods. And it must be taken seriously. But whether our command staff is able to realize this - I'm not sure.
    1. -2
      25 May 2022 22: 36
      I don’t know what you have with references to Konstantin Simonov, but Soviet snipers outplayed the Germans, if not outright, then with a big advantage.
      1. -2
        25 May 2022 23: 06
        Yes, the Germans were beaten, but no one kept comparative statistics on the effectiveness of snipers on both sides. There is no such data. But, in any case, although with great bloodshed, the victory is ours.
  10. -5
    25 May 2022 23: 51
    There is a good video about the training of military specialists in the United States "to the limit of the possible." The approach to preparation seems to be correct. Volunteers go to specialists, preparing to pass entrance tests. Further, already in the courses, each individual course of study is an exam, did not pass, was expelled. At the end of the special who graduates from the course receives a permanent surcharge and great respect from his colleagues. Sad. I'm not saying that we have no specialists. I say that you need to cook them differently, and treat them like a diamond. How many turntables did not reach Gostomel. at least 12 in each. Everlasting memory.
    1. +4
      26 May 2022 04: 59
      Tell us how many turntables did not fly? Tear off, so to speak, the veils of secrecy, otherwise we are sitting here and do not know that our Ukrainians are simply crumbling on an industrial scale!
      I remember in 2014 the Ukrainians crushed our BTG just a few pieces every night! If the bloody pastor had not informed us carefully about this, we would never have known about it.
      1. 0
        26 May 2022 09: 04
        At least 2 Mi-8s. Recently one of the lakes was raised by the Ukrainians.
  11. -1
    26 May 2022 07: 55
    How about reading Soviet regulations? Something tells me that when the SVD and the shooters with it were brought in, their role and tasks were described in detail.
  12. 0
    26 May 2022 08: 42
    And now we have come to understand that in modern combat in the Russian army, this shooter with SVD has a minimum value.
    I'm certainly a "couch expert". On this I will ask the opinion of the pros to express. About this nonsense.
    1. -4
      26 May 2022 09: 04
      The BMP-3 cannon is a real value in urban battles. It would have a projectile with controlled remote detonation for even greater credibility. And you don’t need to be an expert, just a video to see how this combat vehicle in Mariupol works from a 100-mm cannon.
      1. +1
        26 May 2022 15: 01
        Really. What is trifles? Each infantryman a 152 mm howitzer. Better two. How to shirk with two hands ... Is a sniper with an SVD an atavism?
        1. -4
          26 May 2022 15: 54
          Not that atavism, but their significance is gradually decreasing. The increasing saturation of heavy weapons, reconnaissance and high-tech weapons makes them increasingly vulnerable. Automated systems for detection and laser damage alone are worth something, close to mass implementation and systems for detecting shot flashes. And the emerging smart sights reduce their advantages in shooting training.
        2. Egg
          +2
          26 May 2022 18: 15
          152 mm has long been out of fashion, I saw a photo where a 203 mm gun on the streets of Berlin, we must return to the roots laughing
  13. +2
    26 May 2022 08: 44
    Kindergarten.
  14. +3
    26 May 2022 14: 12
    An article on the level of cheap rpg shooters
  15. 0
    26 May 2022 16: 38
    Sniper song: "If he leaves, it's forever, so just don't let him leave..."
  16. 0
    3 June 2022 08: 18
    By the way, I knew quite closely one comrade who fought in Vietnam as a sniper. to all persuasions to tell about his actions in that war, the sober one sullenly kept silent, and drunkenly swearing heavily at the annoying curious. only once did he mention, when he saw the Americans who worked with us nearby, that he brought them down in Vietnam. and he had the Order of the Red Star for those events .... in those years, an asterisk was not given for one hit target.
    and with age, apparently all these bloody American boys, seen through the optics at the last moment of their lives, began to rise in memory and put pressure on the psyche.
    God forbid, from the burden of a sniper in a war .... a simple Kalash and a vague target of a machine gunner at 250m ... he killed, didn’t kill - it’s easier to adapt in later life ... if someone else’s sniper doesn’t extinguish.
  17. 0
    20 June 2022 00: 37
    I'm not sure that we have one, but as an example, in the US DoD system there is a step-by-step system of sergeant ranks with different levels of internal narrow specializations and each of them will receive this respect within their colleagues and an increase in salary. It might be relevant to create such training sessions after a year of service and signing a contract to send for six months for training, first as a sergeant, and then another six months for training in a dedicated specialization, either or or.