Gaining experience: Russian UAVs in the Special Operation

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"Orlan-10" at the start


In the current Special Military Operation in Ukraine, the Russian army is again actively using unmanned aerial vehicles of all available classes and types. This technique again demonstrates its full potential and shows its importance for the army. In addition, in the unmanned aviation it is possible to find certain weaknesses and problems that require attention and correction.



Constantly in the air


In recent years, a large number of light-class UAVs designed for reconnaissance have appeared in our ground forces and other structures. First of all, these are the Orlan-10 and Eleron unmanned systems. There are also other types of equipment, although less numerous. Since their inception, they have been actively used in exercises of various sizes. They were used in the Syrian operation, and now such UAVs are solving tasks in the Ukrainian sky.

The most important feature of such UAVs is the possibility of a long stay in the air. In addition, they carry multi-channel optical-electronic stations and transmit a picture to the operator in real time. Unmanned systems are integrated into a single tactical level control system, which simplifies and speeds up the issuance of data to higher headquarters and, accordingly, fire weapons.

According to known data, with the help of Orlans and Elerons, almost constant and continuous monitoring of important sections of the contact line, enemy rear areas, etc. is ensured. In the absence of serious air defense Drones can perform all assigned tasks and constantly supply the troops with up-to-date information.


Data from reconnaissance UAVs are used in the organization of various combat operations. In particular, the work of drones in the interests of artillery is of great importance. With the help of the Orlans, targets are detected and their coordinates are determined, fire is adjusted and the results of firing are monitored.

Recently, light "Orlans" are mastering the shock function. Special containers-holders have been developed for them, carrying small-sized "air bombs". Due to the limited carrying capacity of the drone, this weapon does not have high power. At the same time, it allows the aircraft to independently attack the target immediately after its detection. In a number of situations, this gives a significant tactical advantage.

Strike capabilities


By the time the Special Operation began, several types of domestic UAVs with strike capabilities had been brought to mass production. These are reconnaissance-strike Forpost-R and Pacer of the heavy class, as well as light loitering ammunition Kub-BLA. In addition, combat missions are solved by the new strike version of Orlan-10. All such products were used in the framework of the Special Operation and demonstrated their capabilities.

The existing reconnaissance and strike UAVs are distinguished by high flight performance and can stay in a given area for a long time and conduct surveillance. They carry small-caliber bombs and guided missiles, with the help of which they are able to independently hit the target found. Light loitering ammunition does without hanging weapons - they ram and undermine the target found.


"Forpost-R" on takeoff

Impact UAVs cope with their work and confirm the calculated characteristics. At the same time, they occupy their own tactical niche and do not try to go beyond it. This allows us to realize the existing potential and not face objective limitations.

It should be noted that strike UAVs entered service recently. In this regard, the army is only gaining experience in their use. In addition, the process of improving designs continues. So, there were reports of insufficient reliability of the Kub-BLA ammunition. Manufacturers must take this into account, due to which products of new series will be lost only as a result of hitting the target.

Initiative from below


With all its advantages, the built reconnaissance and target designation system using UAVs has limitations and disadvantages. First of all, this is a limited number of specialized "unmanned" units that cannot serve all units and subunits. In addition, the passage of information from reconnaissance to units on the battlefield can take some time. In a number of situations, all this makes combat work difficult.

The way out of this situation is to saturate the line units with their own unmanned reconnaissance vehicles. At the level of platoons and companies, ultra-light commercial drone copters, such as the DJI Mavic and analogues, find application. Despite the low flight characteristics, vulnerability to electronic warfare and other shortcomings, this technique is quite capable of reconnaissance of the battlefield.


"Pacer" attacks the target

It should be noted that our army is not yet carrying out mass and centralized purchases of ultralight UAVs. Equipment of this class comes in part unofficially - from active citizens and organizations that collect donations. Previously, this approach was used by the people's militia of Donbass, and it fully justified itself.

The public initiative and the needs of the units did not go unnoticed. The issue of creating their own ultralight UAVs that meet the requirements of the army is already being discussed. Rostec is ready to develop and introduce such products into production. The timing of their appearance is not reported, and for now, the fighters will have to conduct reconnaissance using commercial-grade UAVs.

New experience


Modern UAVs of all classes began to massively enter the Russian army about 10-12 years ago. In the course of various exercises, experience was gained in its application, advantages and disadvantages were identified, and plans were drawn up for future development. In parallel, the development of troop control contours was carried out, in which UAVs were supposed to operate.

In 2015, modern domestic UAVs took part in a real military operation for the first time. In Syria, they searched for terrorist targets, issued target designation for all fire weapons used, and so on. This application made it possible to identify shortcomings and improve both designs and methods of work. In addition, the Syrian operation has become a testing ground for several new classes of new products.

Gaining experience: Russian UAVs in the Special Operation

The use of loitering ammunition

The result of all these processes was the creation of a full-fledged unmanned aircraft system, including complexes of different classes with all the necessary capabilities. Now this system is being tested again as part of the Special Operation in Ukraine.

The built fleet of UAVs for various purposes copes with all the assigned tasks and ensures the operation of the armed forces as a whole. At the same time, various aspects of a technical and practical nature are clarified. In addition, new needs of the army are manifested and confirmed, taking into account which plans for the future are being drawn up.

Today and tomorrow


In general, the current situation shows that the last years have not been wasted. The Russian army has built a full-fledged and full-scale fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles with all the necessary capabilities. However, its appearance still does not fully meet all the needs and needs of the armed forces. In this regard, the development of the unmanned direction should continue.

It can be assumed that in the foreseeable future, emphasis will be placed on improving the quantitative and qualitative indicators in the field of heavy strike UAVs - new Pacers will be massively built and new projects will be developed. Also, the industry will create its own Mavic counterparts and saturate the army with them. At the same time, the massive, simple and effective Orlan-10 will not be abandoned, and it will retain its place.
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  1. +18
    18 May 2022 03: 46
    It’s not clear to me why, during the NWO, the production of light UAVs on an industrial scale has not yet been established ?! am Online stores selling kits for creating "knee" quadcopters, mulyons and a small cart!!! Collect for every taste and purpose!!!
    1. 0
      18 May 2022 05: 42
      Because like any war reveals weaknesses. Tactical UAVs have become a tough necessity. But the army does not need mavics. They need theirs. And this is the time.
      1. +19
        18 May 2022 05: 59
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Because like any war reveals weaknesses. Tactical UAVs have become a tough necessity. But the army does not need mavics. They need theirs. And this is the time.

        in the meantime, time goes by and the soldiers demand at least mavics
        1. +2
          18 May 2022 06: 07
          Certainly. This gap needs to be filled.
          1. 0
            19 May 2022 01: 33
            It is necessary to fill the gap in the brains of the highest command personnel, although if they are there at all ... You need to know why UAVs are needed, what they are for, what they are for and how to use them effectively! Do you think the General Staff of the Armed Forces know this? There is no evidence for the last 20 years ... An empty article about nothing, the author is at the kindergarten level of the senior group ....
            The Russian army has built a full-fledged and full-scale fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles with all the necessary capabilities.

            Army built?
            However, its appearance still does not fully meet all the needs and needs of the armed forces.

            Need to see a doctor! Urgently.
      2. +14
        18 May 2022 06: 54
        Because like any war reveals weaknesses. Tactical UAVs have become a tough necessity

        This tough need was revealed back in Syria, and things are still there
      3. +10
        18 May 2022 14: 47
        These "weaknesses", if you do not take into account other people's experience, but only ours .... both the 2014 war in the LDNR and the war in the SAR were revealed ... (there were even assaults on cities in the SAR). There was a war in Karabakh between them.
        We have either pests sitting in the leadership of the army or slow-witted. It’s also not clear to me why the LDNR militia should collect money for copters, communications, medicine, sights ... All this is bought on the open market ... made in China ... it could easily be bought in a batch there in 5 years .... but we are still slowing down at the traffic police and at customs when transporting from the Russian Federation to the LDNR. Weird!
        1. 0
          19 May 2022 03: 12
          I also don’t understand why the LDNR militia should collect money for copters, communications, medicine, sights
          That's all, they collect not only for the LDNR. I think you are aware.
      4. 0
        19 May 2022 01: 57
        Because like any war reveals weaknesses. Tactical UAVs have become a tough necessity. But the army does not need mavics. They need theirs. And this is the time.

        It was clear that the army needed UAVs even after the successful experience of their use by the Americans in the early 90s in Iraq, but it became clear to our army specifically after 2008, when they encountered the use of UAVs against us.
        At the same time, our corrupt officials in the Moscow Region and all Rostecs do not need UAVs in the army, but state money, so many developers of our UAVs could not break through the corruption system with their projects and some left the country.
    2. -4
      18 May 2022 06: 01
      [quote] It’s not clear to me why, during the CBO, the production of light UAVs on an industrial scale has not yet been established ?! [quote]

      Take care of it!!
    3. +13
      18 May 2022 06: 50
      A fried rooster pecked, UAVs went to companies and platoons.
      Apparently it was: "the state is not supposed to."
      And it became: life is more expensive.
      Who hasn't figured this out by February 23rd?
      Strelrchnikov and real responsible from the studio to jail!
      It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines (-eyes in the sky)
      1. +5
        18 May 2022 08: 49
        in a prison under guard and 3 meals a day? Better as an attack aircraft to the front in the first line and without UAV support.
      2. +1
        19 May 2022 01: 22
        What companies and platoons? Only in the US Army in each company is a set of UAVs, not counting the kamikaze strike drones, which are also being returned...) Stop fantasizing and writing fairy tales! In some BTGs, there are no UAVs at all, or they carry them for beauty ... All UAVs are brought together in the VKS regiments for reconnaissance in the interests of the headquarters of the directions and objective control (I would like to know what stupid creature came up with such a word?).
        This has been calculated since 2000 and nothing has been done at all ... The concept of combined arms combat does not use UAVs in the Russian Army ... Such tactics are not practiced, they are not taught ... Only for show and display in the media ... They are fighting, as in 1945, and they hang noodles about lasers and electromagnetic weapons on your ears .... All intelligence is on people, which is why there are such losses and many prisoners. These fools with big shoulder straps, especially in the General Staff, have already got it ... They don’t know that modern warfare should be contactless and intelligence is carried out mainly by technical means ... And put your “Warriors” and “Archers” into yourselves. .. "special forces" for sweeps ...
        1. -1
          26 July 2022 12: 23
          "... All intelligence is on people, that's why there are such losses and a lot of prisoners. These idiots with large shoulder straps, especially in the General Staff, have already got it ..." ----- that's exactly why, in the course of opening significant shortcomings in the NWO , the commanders of the NWO are changing ....
          But I believe that for these military-technical flaws it is not the switchmen-generals who should be held accountable for not responding to the saturation of the army with UAVs and quadrocopters when planning the SVO and in general even before the SVO - the Minister of Defense is responsible for this and should be responsible for these miscalculations in the army it's him....
          Even Borisov, who was appointed head of Roskomos, was forced to admit that our army was late with the introduction of UAVs and quadrocopters in the army: “We were late in introducing UAVs” -- https://topwar.ru/197767-my-s-opozdaniem-zanjalis-vnedreniem -bpla-oznachajut-li-slova-vice-premera-rf-chto-vyvody-sdelany.html Now everyone who did not believe in the existence of this problem and believed that everyone who talks about it is "provocateurs", you can safely send watch Yuri Borisov's interview. And although it took more than three months for the problem to be recognized, it was nevertheless voiced by officials, which is a positive signal!!! At the time of the start of the military operation in Ukraine, UAVs in the Russian army were critically lacking - only one company of UAVs was supposed per division (these are two Orlans and two Elerons).
          At the company and battalion level, the state does not provide for either UAV specialists or UAVs themselves. Quadcopters and their operators were not provided for in the army at all by the state, but in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they are and were before the start of the NVO .... At the moment, despite the fact that the problem has been voiced even by such officials as Deputy Prime Minister Borisov, there is no certainty that the relevant conclusions have been drawn.
          Moreover, a discussion has recently flared up on the network as to whether drones are necessary for the army. Political scientist Sergei Karnaukhov in his Telegram channel said that this is, in general, a useless thing, and there are no problems in the RF Armed Forces, and everyone who disagrees with this will discredit the army and should be silent .... Something like this with these UAVs and quadrocopters - while there are disputes (needed, not needed), but there is no saturation of the army with them in the NWO ....
    4. +6
      18 May 2022 09: 37
      It’s not clear to me otherwise, in one article they slander the capabilities of the enemy’s UAVs, in the other they talk about the great prospects of domestic UAVs. You, as they say, either take off the cross, or put on your underpants)
    5. +7
      18 May 2022 11: 38
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Collect for every taste and purpose!!!

      One comrade explained that the cost of supplying the drones needed by the Russian group is equal to the cost of 3-4 BMDs. That is: with regards to funds, these are practically a penny against the background of the total costs of CBO. And this need for small UAVs could (and should) have been closed even "yesterday".
      1. +7
        18 May 2022 12: 37
        Completely agree with this fellow! drinks good
        Here I skimmed through the sites again on purpose - 100 tr can be met for a light UAV with the same functions as the Mavik, only better soldier What is good about assembled drones "on the knee" drones is that you can initially lay the necessary functionality in them, and so the main time will be spent on modifying the flight software for military needs, but in a month a group of programmers of 3-4 people will master it easily!
      2. 0
        18 May 2022 14: 48
        3-4 BMDs also cost differently. 1-2-3-4 which one? And there are options for the LMS shaft, with and without a thermal imager and a panorama ....... and fresh versions, which are also not very cheap.
        1. +3
          18 May 2022 15: 46
          Quote: Zaurbek
          3-4 BMDs also cost differently. 1-2-3-4 which one?

          The conversation was about the BMD-4. But not the point. At least take 4 T-90M - it's still profitable, and relatively inexpensive. And how many lives and equipment will save? The same BMD, BMP and tanks will be less likely to fall into ambushes. And enemy armored vehicles will be better destroyed.
          1. +1
            18 May 2022 15: 58
            Definitely necessary ... even yesterday.
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    6. +4
      18 May 2022 11: 49
      Moreover, expensive MANPADS are spent on shooting down drones. Their calculations reveal themselves during launches.
      Inexpensive long-range drones like Orlan could follow enemy drones to the landing site.
    7. +3
      18 May 2022 18: 20
      Bureaucrats run the show.
      They need to organize closed tenders and stuff like that.
      Even if the troops really need something and it is sold in a nearby store, you still can’t just buy it.
      Volunteers keep all deliveries of copters.
  2. +15
    18 May 2022 03: 49
    The public initiative did not go unnoticed
    ALREADY DISCUSSED

    ALREADY they are discussing, nothing that ALREADY the war is going on? It is amazing that over the years it has not occurred to anyone from the Moscow Region to buy copters for the army? Well, yes, of course, the usefulness of having ultralight UAVs at the level of a platoon or squad is not obvious to marshals who have never served in the army for a day, or to stupid “jackets” who won’t even fart without an order from above.
    But here, when the citizens of Russia massively collect money and buy Maviks for the front, I had to notice and start discussing, which, by the way, does not guarantee us anything at all. They can discuss these until the Indian Easter, until the traces of sawn money are swept away.
    1. +8
      18 May 2022 13: 56
      The other day I was talking with the colonel, who is now teaching at the academy, so he rested that they don’t need anything less than Orlan. Like, all decisions are made at the level of the battalion commander, and Orlan is enough for him. Well, I didn’t argue, but I made my conclusions about the readiness of high officials to adapt to the situation.
      1. +1
        18 May 2022 17: 26
        Quote: And11
        The other day I was talking to a colonel who is now teaching at the academy

        Colonel - Colonel strife. Already in the noughties, a lot of the military looked with interest at how the Yankees, with the help of UAVs, guarded the columns.
  3. +7
    18 May 2022 04: 03
    1. UAVs are really very useful.
    2. Drones have been used for a long time, but no one bothered to saturate the troops with them, is this sabotage, or did someone corny stay in office and live in the last century?
    3. It's time to stop discussing anything for years: we are counteracting the collective west, and procrastination is like death! Decisions are needed, not talk, and quick and clear action is needed. We saw that UAVs are useful, so set up production, fill the troops with equipment!
    1. +2
      18 May 2022 05: 45
      Yes, there are many of them in the army. The tactical niche turned out to be insignificant. There was a lot of controversy on the subject. The war has changed the approach and rightly so. They should be on every piece of equipment. In every division.
      1. 0
        18 May 2022 09: 41
        It's about planning and foresight.
        About imposing your own vision of the war, not responding to the "fried rooster".
        It’s scary to know: in 24 g, for the elections, a report will appear "xs% losses from artillery from UAVs, other intelligence from the poor APU was not at the level of a platoon-company, mavics always flew and the dead orcs on the conscience of the petrified mo and gsh, ..."
        and personally Shoigu and edro will be dragged in?
      2. +6
        18 May 2022 11: 16
        If there are many of them in the troops, then why are they not in every unit?
        1. +5
          18 May 2022 11: 39
          Because "they are gone". Because it is necessary to create structures (where are we without them), logistics, training, and so on and so forth ..... The question is "how many of them are there?" we will modestly omit ...
    2. +7
      18 May 2022 08: 04
      It is possible to puzzle aircraft modeling circles with the production of gliders - and the boys would be interested, and there is no need to beat out additional funding for out-of-school institutions. And the filling is already installed at specialized enterprises. Fso for the front! FSE for Victory!
  4. +9
    18 May 2022 04: 21
    Ndaa. You don't have to sign the article. Water water, many beeches.
  5. +11
    18 May 2022 05: 22
    Also, the industry will create its own Mavic counterparts and saturate the army with them.


    Very funny.
    If someone turns on their brains and agrees on bulk purchases in China, this will be the greatest achievement. As Ukraine did through intermediaries.
    1. 0
      18 May 2022 08: 06
      ...and Mayvericks will converge in the sky of Ukraine against Mavericks.
  6. 0
    18 May 2022 05: 25
    The generals of all the armies of the world in the interwar period are always preparing for the last war (a popular sign).
  7. +8
    18 May 2022 06: 20
    there are no ultralight domestic UAVs needed by a soldier on the battlefield and are not expected ... at least until the end of the Ukrainian company .... the Russian General Staff overslept - he pissed off the line of contact between the warring parties and the latest innovations associated with it .... give us damn victory on a global scale! ... which indicates the low competence of the personnel of the General Staff of the Russian Federation .... here - a complete failure of preliminary reconnaissance at the first stage of the special operation
    and now we are at war - where the curve will take. all hope is for the new commander of the special operation ... maybe he will save the reputation of senior staff workers.
    1. +2
      18 May 2022 06: 58
      Quote from moneron
      there are no ultralight domestic UAVs needed by a soldier on the battlefield and are not expected ... at least until the end of the Ukrainian company .... the Russian General Staff overslept - he pissed off the line of contact between the warring parties and the latest innovations associated with it .... give us damn victory on a global scale! ... which indicates the low competence of the personnel of the General Staff of the Russian Federation .... here - a complete failure of preliminary reconnaissance at the first stage of the special operation
      and now we are at war - where the curve will take. all hope is for the new commander of the special operation ... maybe he will save the reputation of senior staff workers.

      Probably, the General Staff and the Moscow Region also have victims of the EGA. This is the level of new education. It's a joke, but maybe not.
  8. +9
    18 May 2022 08: 08
    I read the post and was simply filled with admiration for how great everything is with drones in our army.
    I thought, now not a single enemy battery will be able to fire more than once and will be immediately found and destroyed. Not a single enemy column can slip through unnoticed.
    And then he returned from fantasy to reality and looked at those single videos about the use of our UAVs in a special operation. I read the reviews of the fighters and watched the videos of the enemy.
    After that, it immediately becomes clear that writing such posts where he signs how everything is fine with us with the UAV on the 82nd day of the special operation should be ashamed. At the same time, see at least one video about the use of our loitering ammunition.
    1. +6
      18 May 2022 13: 34
      Well, one video can be found with the Cub-UAV, but there is no exact defeat, at best it was cut by fragments, but next to the M777. Resetting VOGs or whatever from the "Orlan" also already happened.
    2. 0
      18 May 2022 17: 36
      Exactly. Some kind of article on the contrary, almost everything needs to be added not)
      There are categorically few pacers, and besides, he has an insufficient range of weapons. The most important thing for them is to burn the compositions with fuel and ammunition. Only for this you need lighters.
      There are absolutely no heavy, fast and maneuverable drones for revealing enemy air defenses, which, at the same time, are cheaper than Pacer. You can, for example, remake the L-39 for this, and it is not expensive. They can also shoot down bayraktars.
      About small blah here and so much has been written.
  9. -2
    18 May 2022 08: 39
    It can be added (if this was not covered earlier on the VO) that we have developed small helicopter-type UAVs with special "claws" for the charging terminal, capable of clinging to electrical wires and hanging on them until the batteries are fully or partially recharged.
  10. +7
    18 May 2022 08: 55
    Before the CBO, the quantity, quality and functionality of the UAV had to go off scale in order to save hundreds and thousands of lives !!!
    We had to invest billions to take care of the guys. There was enough time for that.
    1. +2
      18 May 2022 09: 39
      It's too late, I said a month ago - the initiative is lost. There is a war of attrition and Putin will lose in it
  11. +4
    18 May 2022 09: 10
    It should be noted that our army is not yet carrying out mass and centralized purchases of ultralight UAVs. Equipment of this class comes in part unofficially - from active citizens and organizations that collect donations.

    Here it is necessary to force the army (MO) to become a more flexible apparatus. They do not buy UAV SL not because there is no money, but because of the highest level of bureaucratic obstacles and norms to justify the use of what was not there before. Compensating for this with voluntary donations is a shame for Shoigu and Gerasimov. The General Staff should already present its analysis of the database of the first weeks of the operation and determine the need for this or that property to supply the troops and its place in battle formations. Let's hope that these issues have not gone unnoticed and will somehow find a solution.
  12. +9
    18 May 2022 12: 11
    Selling something to the army just like that, coming from the street is another quest. Get a certificate, enter the military register, go through a special check ..... So waiting for mass deliveries through the Ministry of Defense in the near future is not serious. Unless they change their approach, at least on this topic. Our Defense Ministry should remember its own experience during the Second World War, when promising types of weapons were put into production without even waiting for the end of the tests. So all the hope is for the volunteers, and for the fact that the quadrics will not be removed from the units by the higher authorities as non-standard equipment.
    1. +4
      18 May 2022 12: 29
      Quote: Yakut
      Selling something to the army just like that, coming from the street is another quest. Get a certificate, enter the military register, go through a special check ..... So waiting for mass deliveries through the Ministry of Defense in the near future is not serious. Unless they change their approach, at least on this topic. Our Defense Ministry should remember its own experience during the Second World War, when promising types of weapons were put into production without even waiting for the end of the tests. So all the hope is for the volunteers, and for the fact that the quadrics will not be removed from the units by the higher authorities as non-standard equipment.

      Everything you described could and can happen under Soviet rule and the Soviet economy. And now the government is building capitalism. Where is the loitering ammunition? Needed like air, but they are not at all. On paper, we already have several generations, but not a single one is available.
  13. +5
    18 May 2022 12: 22
    The cost of ten thousand Maviks is a percentage of the price of one billionaire yacht, it is nothing from the annual Russian export of $ 500 billion. Why didn't they think to buy them?
    1. +3
      18 May 2022 14: 50
      Moreover, if you also know when the start of action. I’m already silent about copters that pull 20kg each and are used in delivery.
  14. -4
    18 May 2022 15: 54
    I am always touched by angry exclamations with shaking fists: “Why haven’t they developed it yet? Why hasn't it been put into mass production yet? Why why why…"
    Moreover, exclamations from those comrades who themselves never developed anything, did not put it into mass production, did not work with military acceptance.
    Why ... Yes, because the production itself is not organized from sudden wishes. Because the military representative does not emboss his "asterisk" on any toy quadrocopter molded on his knee. And if he squeezes, he will sit down. The private initiative of private initiative groups can afford (and allows) to send any self-made equipment as a gift to the troops. Simply because it does not bear any responsibility for the failure of this equipment. The drone worked well - well, fell down on takeoff - “well, I couldn’t, I tried my best.” It’s like knitting mittens for soldiers and sewing pouches in the Patriotic War: real help, but beyond jurisdiction, if there weren’t enough threads.
    1. +1
      18 May 2022 17: 34
      Why why why…"


      Why spam if you don't know the answer.

      "any homemade equipment" in the form of DJI Mavic way more reliable and more perfect than the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has, i.e. Orlan, Zala and our other small UAVs by definition.

      More perfect, because foreign microelectronics in DJI Mavic are advanced, they are better than foreign ones in Orlans and others

      More reliable, because DJI Mavic is a mass market product that the buyer chose, and not the RF Ministry of Defense tender, when not the best win, but who is more convenient (I'm not talking about kickbacks)

      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the UAV niche for the department - the company simply did not have a UAV, from here

      1) outdated tactics of warfare, for example, reconnaissance - identifying the enemy - is carried out in battle, i.e. multiplication of losses during contact combat.

      2) zero situational awareness and high losses

      3) the inability of each unit to quickly transmit information for artillery suppression

      And the fact that the artillery of the RF Ministry of Defense is usually blind, deaf and cannot adjust each gun individually, working in areas (as a rule) is illustrated by just one picture from the video.

      This is from a famous video. with eyewash from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. When the strike UAV missed, the battery from the Amer. howitzers hid in the forest, and after half an hour on the other side of the forest hit by area our artillery. As a result, even the video from Zvezda shows that the Amer. the howitzers were NOT damaged, and the RF Ministry of Defense brazenly reported on their destruction, although the opposite is true in the video.



      No, if there is a continuation of the video where "All equipment and American howitzers were destroyed. The surviving Ukrainian artillerymen fled." let's all look at it together. But while this is not, but there is eyewash.

      Agree, they worked as a shock UAV because in arta can only hit squares and is not very accurate and therefore they wanted to immediately destroy the calculation, but it turned out - they sat in a puddle, because. they would hit the a / m tractors and at least one Amer. the howitzer would have remained in place, and they would have been methodically finished off.
      1. 0
        18 May 2022 18: 07
        I will add about Krasnopoli and Orlans (they illuminate the target with a laser beam, if anyone did not know)



        this is the only workhorse, but their

        a) few

        b) effective range based on Syrian experience to 12 km although according to the passport 20 (when firing at 20 km, Krasnopol deviates from the trajectory and does not find laser illumination), while the M982 Excalibur 40-50 km, i.e. we will play art. duels, because we will be taken out from distances inaccessible to us.

        There is Krasnopol-D, but there is even less of it than strike UAVs
        For the withdrawal of projectiles of the "Krasnopol" type to the target capture area with a homing head, a guidance system based on a mechanical gyroscope is used, therefore, Krasnopol at long ranges often do not reach the target capture area accurately and miss.


        To avoid this, it was necessary to modernize Krasnopol and replace mechanical horoscopes with those combined with a microelectronic unit using GLONASS (provides centimeter accuracy). But alas, only the new Krasnopol-D received this unit, which are orders of magnitude (100 times) less.

      2. -1
        19 May 2022 15: 23
        Quote: Sergey Venediktov
        More perfect, because foreign microelectronics in DJI Mavic are advanced, they are better than foreign ones in Orlans and others
        Wow! Wow! We have a well-informed source who is reliably versed in the electronics of the Orlans "and others." Let's tell us about the elemental base of Orlans "and others". About its characteristics, reliability calculations and test reports for WWF. We will listen with interest first hand.
        1. -1
          20 May 2022 16: 34
          Do you know how to make queries in Google?

          you can find the source

          Thermal imager Tau640; video cameras 2MP with a note on board

          Now it's a little better, but no one has modernized the old supplies.

          I will not advertise farmers who cannot produce toilet paper themselves, but their analysis of Orlan-10 is a sentence for our microelectronics and those who believe that the market decides everything.

          Yes, now it is possible to make products 1000 times more modern from foreign commercial microelectronics than they cost in F-22 or B-2 Spirit, BUT they indulge in paying for this with reliability and the inability to use it in critical products. UAVs, especially small ones, are still consumables, but in the Su-57 this element base will not be approved by the RF Ministry of Defense, although for the Su-30 there were times approved by the onboard computer on Intel 80486 processors.




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  15. +2
    18 May 2022 22: 03
    our army is not yet carrying out mass and centralized purchases of ultralight UAVs. Equipment of this class comes in parts unofficially - from active citizens and organizations

    she cannot buy them - there is no production of her own, and China does not sell, because. will be considered a "delivery of weapons" and the manufacturer does not want to quarrel with the United States ...
    moreover, as reported, they generally stopped supplying their mavics and spare parts even for the civilian market...
    people already write that they can not buy ...
  16. +2
    18 May 2022 22: 13
    In 2015, modern domestic UAVs took part in a real military operation for the first time. In Syria, they searched for terrorist targets, issued target designation for all fire weapons used, and so on.

    Wow :)
    one can only wonder why, then, hidden in the cities of art and other dill techniques, it became a surprise for our generals ...
    they didn’t know how to “poison” these cockroaches ...
    and where was this flying guard until recently ...
    why does the mobile artillery of dill manage to go to the position, according to American intelligence, launch a drone, adjust the "sight", shoot back and dump ...
  17. 0
    19 May 2022 00: 45
    We needed drones of all stripes yesterday!!!
    That is why those in power do not offend themselves with the latest models of phones, cars, yachts, clothes, etc.??? Did you forget about the Army???
    Even Azerbaijan has drones, and all the "well-wishers" send bundles to Khokhols ...
    Everything is as always ... thu .... Stalin is not on you .... No.
  18. -1
    19 May 2022 00: 51
    Quote: Sedoy
    In 2015, modern domestic UAVs took part in a real military operation for the first time. In Syria, they searched for terrorist targets, issued target designation for all fire weapons used, and so on.

    Wow :)
    one can only wonder why, then, hidden in the cities of art and other dill techniques, it became a surprise for our generals ...

    Quote: Zaurbek
    These "weaknesses", if you do not take into account other people's experience, but only ours .... both the 2014 war in the LDNR and the war in the SAR were revealed ... (there were even assaults on cities in the SAR). There was a war in Karabakh between them.
    We have either pests sitting in the leadership of the army or slow-witted. It’s also not clear to me why the LDNR militia should collect money for copters, communications, medicine, sights ... All this is bought on the open market ... made in China ... it could easily be bought in a batch there in 5 years .... but we are still slowing down at the traffic police and at customs when transporting from the Russian Federation to the LDNR. Weird!

    Because we have strange and mysterious creatures in uniform !!!
    I had a friend in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, so they bought 600 (!!!) drones (through a tender) for supervision by inspectors for small boats in water bodies, only they have electric batteries with a resource of 2 (!!!) hours ....
    When the technical department was indignant, they dispersed it ....
    Something like this.... soldier
    1. 0
      14 July 2022 15: 55
      "they have electric batteries with a resource of 2 (!!!) hours ...." Most likely, they were "Phantoms" from DJI. Excellent quads for their time, and even now I have one and flies perfectly. I just did not understand the phrase about "battery life 2 hours". What did the author mean?
  19. +2
    19 May 2022 02: 13
    Another tale of exhibition copies. Our Defense Ministry got completely screwed up with the UAV, this is treason and betrayal. Almost all UAVs are bought with the money of ordinary people and sent to the army.
    There are no attack UAVs similar to Bayraktar UAVs, no higher-class attack UAVs, no guided munitions for attack UAVs, no mass reconnaissance tactical UAV, no mass small UAV for a platoon-company. There is empty chatter, exhibition copies and models with drawings, and according to such results, which cost the lives of many of our soldiers, investigative actions and executions of the perpetrators should begin, with confiscation of property.
  20. -1
    2 July 2022 00: 24
    and Syria, the last Karabakh, did not teach anything?
    smart learns from the mistakes of others - on their own.
    apparently, the analytics in the General Staff of the Russian Federation are not up to par .... that means a change of personnel is needed - a massive rotation .... life-long Moscow staff officers in the trenches, and officers who distinguished themselves in intelligence - front-line soldiers in high offices.
  21. 0
    13 July 2022 11: 29
    The author is Captain Obvious. Nothing, absolutely nothing but reflections from Khodakovsky about the fact that they buy themselves koptenry .... Where is the ANALYSIS ?????? You don't know anything, you don't have to write.
  22. 0
    31 July 2022 13: 41
    All is well, beautiful marquise. But, unofficial deliveries of drones from conscious citizens are better to continue.
  23. -1
    5 August 2022 15: 58
    " The Russian army has built a full-fledged and full-scale fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles with all the necessary capabilities. However, its appearance still does not fully meet all the needs and needs of the armed forces."

    as they said: "both yours and ours, let's dance"
    if everything was so good, then the article would not be needed