Fighter aircraft of Poland in the 1970s–1990s

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Fighter aircraft of Poland in the 1970s–1990s

The armed forces of Poland were among the strongest among the allied countries of the USSR in Eastern Europe. The Polish People's Army has traditionally been the recipient of the most modern Soviet military equipment and weapons.

The level of training of the personnel of the Polish armed forces was at a high level, the logistics and the proportion of serviceable combat-ready equipment in the troops were even better than in the Soviet army.



Polish Air Force MiG-21 fighters


In response to the improvement of combat aviation NATO countries in the 1960s, supersonic MiG-21 fighters with a delta wing appeared in the air forces of the Warsaw Pact states. Poland became one of the first Eastern Bloc countries to adopt the MiG-21F-13 front-line fighter. Deliveries of this type of fighters began in January 1963. A total of 25 MiG-21F-13s were delivered to Poland.


Polish MiG-21F-13 in the museum exposition

The MiG-21F-13 fighter with a maximum take-off weight of 8 kg and the R-625F-11 engine became the first wide modification in the large twenty-first family. Its onboard instrumentation was very simple. The aircraft did not have its own radar, the sighting equipment consisted of an ASP-300N-VU5 optical sight, coupled with a VRD-1 computer, and a SRD-1 Kvant radio range finder located in a radio-transparent fairing of the central body of the engine air intake.

The search for air targets was carried out by the pilot visually or by commands from the ground control station. Built-in armament included a 30 mm HP-30 cannon. Two K-13 homing air combat missiles could be suspended under the wing. For air targets, it was also possible to use the 57-mm NAR S-5 from two 16-round launchers. The maximum flight speed at altitude is 2 km/h. Flight range - 125 km, with additional tanks - 1 km.

Despite the very simple avionics and limited capabilities in terms of combating an air enemy, at night the Polish military highly appreciated the MiG-21F-13 and wanted to get a license for its production. However, this Poland was denied.

In 1965, 19 serviceable MiG-21F-13s were brought into the 4th Fighter Aviation Regiment, based 35 km northeast of Szczecin. In October 1973, the last 12 Polish fighters of this type remaining in service were handed over to Syria.

The MiG-21F-13 in the Polish combatant squadrons was replaced by the MiG-21PF front-line interceptors, with an improved engine, the RP-21 Sapphire radar sight and the Lazur command guidance equipment, which allowed the MiG-21PF to operate in difficult weather conditions and at night . Unlike the MiG-21F-13, this aircraft did not have built-in cannon armament, and only guided missiles or 57-mm NAR S-5 could be used against air targets.

From April 1964 to August 1965, Poland received 84 aircraft, which were operated in nine air regiments for a long time period. The last machines of this type were decommissioned in 1989.

In 1965, six MiG-21U combat trainers arrived in Poland, and they were distributed among four air regiments. The service of these aircraft turned out to be long, the last two MiG-21Us were decommissioned in February 1990 and transferred to museums in Krakow and Jonow.


In 1972, in addition to the existing MiG-21U, 20 MiG-21UM combat trainers were purchased, which served until 2003.

In February 1966, deliveries of the MiG-21PFM began - the most numerous representative of the "twenty-first" family in Poland. In total, the Polish Air Force received more than 100 of these fighters. Their service continued until 1993.


Fighters MiG-21PFM Polish Air Force

The MiG-21PFM had a maximum takeoff weight of 9 kg and was equipped with a R-120F11S-2 turbojet engine with a thrust of 300 kgf. Maximum speed - 6 km / h. Practical range - 175 km, with PTB - 2 km. Ceiling - 175 m.

The front-line interceptor MiG-21PFM was equipped with a modified RP-21M radar sight and had the ability to suspend a GP-9 container with a double-barreled 23-mm gun GSh-23L. The armament of the MiG-21PFM, in addition to the "thermal" UR R-3S (K-13), included K-5MS guided missiles with a radar guidance system.

The R-3S (K-13) air combat guided missile with a thermal homing head was created in 1960 on the basis of the American AIM-9B Sidewinder missile.


R-3S short-range air-to-air guided missile

In combat position, the rocket weighed 76 kg. Length - 2 838 mm. Case diameter - 127 mm. Wingspan - 528 mm. Launch range - up to 7,5 km.

The MiG-21PF/PFM were the main Polish air defense interceptors for a long period of time and actively participated in joint exercises with combat aviation of the ATS countries. In 1971, a Czechoslovak Su-7BKL fighter-bomber was accidentally shot down by a Polish MiG-21PFM during a joint exercise.

In 1967, along with the purchase of more MiG-21PFM, Poland received 12 MiG-21PFM (94N) in the version of the carrier of a tactical nuclear bomb with a capacity of 10 kt (in the Polish Air Force this aircraft had the designation MiG-21N). However, Polish sources claim that "atomic" fighters could also perform all the tasks inherent in conventional front-line interceptors.


MiG-21PFM

MiG-21N aircraft were armed with squadrons of the 11th Fighter Wing in Debzhno and the 2nd Fighter Wing in Goleniow. Training in the use of nuclear weapons carried out in the USSR. To test the use of special weapons, mock-ups of nuclear bombs with a smoke bomb inside were used.

During the Cold War, there were storage facilities for nuclear weapons on the territory of Poland, the maintenance and protection of which was carried out by Soviet military personnel. During a special period, "special ammunition" could be transferred to the Polish Air Force, but until a direct order for use was received, activation codes were stored separately.

In 1969, Soviet pilots flew a batch of 30 front-line MiG-21M fighters to Polish airfields, designed to replace the subsonic Lim-5. This fighter retained the R-11F2S-300 engine, but was equipped with a modified RP-21MA radar sight and a significantly expanded armament. In total, Poland imported 120 MiG-21MF, which were in service until the end of the 1990s.

In 1972, the MiG-21MF appeared in the Polish Air Force with the RP-22 radar. The new station had higher performance, the target detection range reached 30 km, and the tracking range increased from 10 to 15 km.

A more modern modification of the "twenty-first" carried R-3R (K-13R) missiles with a semi-active radar homing head and an increased launch range, which seriously increased the ability to intercept at night and in poor visibility conditions. Radar UR R-3R entered service in 1966. Launch range: from 0,3 to 15 km.


Fighter MiG-21MF Polish Air Force

Since 1979, the Polish Air Force has operated MiG-23MF variable-wing fighters, but this aircraft turned out to be much more complicated and more expensive to operate than the well-mastered "twenty-first". And instead of an additional batch of MiG-23MF, the command of the Polish Air Force in the summer of 1979 preferred to order aircraft of the most advanced modification in the "twenty-first" family - the MiG-21bis.


Fighter MiG-21bis Polish Air Force

The MiG-21bis was created on the basis of an analysis of the experience of maneuverable air combat in local conflicts. The fighter, equipped with a new R-25-300 engine with an extraordinary afterburner thrust of 7 kgf, received very good acceleration capabilities and a high rate of climb. Thus, the MiG-100F-21 modification fighter had a rate of climb of 13–140 m/s, and the MiG-150bis up to 21 m/s.

The MiG-21bis had avionics and armament perfect by the standards of those years, which made it a very formidable opponent in close air combat. The new RP-22M radar and Lazur-M communications equipment were mounted on the aircraft, which provides interaction with the ground command guidance system for air targets, as well as a flight and navigation complex for short-range navigation and landing approach with automatic and director control. In addition to missiles of the K-13 family, the maneuverable R-60 melee missiles with a thermal homing head were introduced into the armament. At the same time, up to six missiles could be placed on the hardpoints. The aircraft had a built-in 23 mm GSh-23L cannon. To reduce the takeoff, solid-fuel boosters with a thrust of 1–300 kgf could be installed.

The MiG-21bis had a maximum takeoff weight of 10 kg. Flight range - 400 km, flight range with three external tanks - 1 km. Maximum speed - 265 km / h. Practical ceiling - 1 m.

The first 10 MiG-21bis arrived in Poland in February 1980. These machines, included in a batch of 36 aircraft, entered service with the 34th Fighter Aviation Regiment, based in Gdynia. In June 1980, Polish MiG-21bis took part in the Granit-80 exercises, during which fighters of this type carried out live firing for the first time at sea and land ranges. In August 1980, a group of 14 pilots and guidance officers of the regiment went to the Ashluk training ground, where, during the Argon-80 exercises, guided missiles were launched at La-17 radio-controlled air targets.

In total, Poland acquired 72 MiG-21bis fighters, which entered service with two air regiments. Polish sources claim that all these aircraft could be carriers of tactical nuclear bombs. In 1989, shortly before the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact, Soviet specialists turned off the electrical circuits and sights necessary for the use of nuclear weapons.

In 1987, the restoration repair of the MiG-21bis of the Polish Air Force began at the aircraft repair plant in Demblin. As of 1991, there were 64 aircraft in combat readiness.

Overhauled Polish MiG-1990bis flew actively in the 21s. Due to lack of funding, six fighters were sold to Uganda. The proceeds from this deal were used to maintain the remaining aircraft in service. But, despite this, the accident rate of the MiG-21bis was high. So, from 1993 to 2000, 9 aircraft crashed and 3 pilots died in flight accidents.

As of 2001, only half of the fifty MiG-21bis available could take to the air, and in December 2003, the flight career of this type of fighters in Poland ended.

After the reorientation of the Polish clones of the MiG-17F / PF to strike missions for close air support of the ground forces, the supersonic MiG-21 in the 1970-1980s were the main Polish front-line fighters designed to gain air superiority, cover parts and important objects from means air attack.


In total, 1965 MiG-1980 aircraft of all modifications were delivered to Poland from 582 to 21. Over 38 years of active operation, some of the machines were lost in disasters and accidents, and some were sold abroad. In addition to third world countries, Polish MiG-21s were purchased by American private aviation companies that provide services to the US Department of Defense in organizing combat training of air defense units and conducting training air battles with potential enemy aircraft.

Polish Air Force MiG-23 fighters


The latest modifications of the MiG-21, which were available in the Polish Air Force, were very good light fighters for their time with a good balance in terms of cost-effectiveness.

However, with all the undeniable advantages of the "twenty-first", this fighter had a relatively short range, limited payload, very modest airborne radar characteristics and could not carry medium-range air-to-air missiles.

In the mid-1970s, the leadership of the Polish Air Force began to look for a replacement for the MiG-21PFM fighter, the main interceptor of the air defense forces. The new supersonic fighter had to meet several basic criteria, such as high altitude and high flight speed, as well as the ability to deal with air targets in all weather conditions and at night.

To do this, the new interceptor had to have perfect avionics equipment, a radar with high energy characteristics, medium-range missiles capable of hitting visually unobservable targets, a powerful engine that provides good acceleration performance and high supersonic flight speed, as well as a large supply of fuel on board, necessary to provide the required range.

The only Soviet fighter that at least partially met the specified criteria at that time was the MiG-23M. For the first time, Polish representatives were able to get acquainted with it in June 1978.

In January 1979, a group of pilots and technicians of the Polish Air Force were poisoned in the USSR to learn how to pilot and maintain the MiG-23MF and MiG-23UB aircraft.

On June 4, 1979, 9 MiG-23MF fighters and 2 MiG-23UB combat trainers arrived in Poland. In total, until the end of September 1982, the Polish Air Force received 36 MiG-23MF and 6 MiG-23UB. Only one unit was equipped with these aircraft - the 28th Fighter Aviation Regiment, which was first based at the Minsk-Mazovetsky airfield, and then it was transferred to Slupsk.


Fighters MiG-23MF Polish Air Force

The variable geometry wing fighter MiG-23MF was significantly larger and heavier than the MiG-21. The aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 17 kg had a flight range of 790 km. The maximum flight speed at an altitude of 2 m is 700 km / h. Practical ceiling - 12 m.

The MiG-23MF was equipped with the Sapfir-23E radar with a detection range of 45 km, the TP-23 heat direction finder and the Lazur-SM command guidance system. The armament consisted of two R-23R or R-23T medium-range missiles, two to four K-13M short-range missiles or R-60 melee missiles, and a hanging container with a 23-mm GSh-23L cannon.

The MiG-23MF airborne radar, compared to the RP-22M station installed on the MiG-21bis, could detect targets at a 1,5 greater range. The R-23R missile with a semi-active radar seeker was capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 km and was 13 times superior to the K-4R missile in this indicator. The launch range of the UR R-23T with TGS reached 23 km. It was believed that this missile could hit targets on a collision course, and heating of the front aerodynamic surfaces was sufficient to capture the target.

After the flight and technical staff mastered the MiG-23MF fighters, they participated in most of the exercises organized in Poland and abroad. Maneuvers of this type confirmed both the high quality of the combat aircraft and the good training of the pilots.


MiG-23MF, performing tasks to ensure the country's air defense, flew in extreme weather conditions and at night, at high and low altitudes. They repeatedly rose to intercept aircraft that violated the state border of Poland.

In 1981, the "twenty-thirds" of the 28th Fighter Aviation Regiment took part in the large Soyuz-81 maneuvers of the Warsaw Pact countries. Polish MiG-23MF regularly practiced strikes against surface targets and based on runways arranged on the highway. Air targets were fired at the Ustka sea range. In 1980, 1982, 1984 and 1985 they intercepted La-17 targets at the Ashluk range with medium-range missiles.

The MiG-23MF acquired by Poland could carry nuclear bombs. In 1989, after the decision of the Soviet government to reduce nuclear forces, the equipment necessary for the use of special weapons was dismantled.

In the late 1980s, the overhaul of the Polish MiG-23MF/UB began. The first aircraft was repaired in the GDR at the Dresden factory in November 1988. Many fighters were overhauled at the Bulgarian plant in Plovdiv and at the Soviet plant in Chuguev. However, after the collapse of the ATS, repairs abroad became impossible, and since 1993, Polish variable-wing fighters have been repaired at an aircraft repair plant in Demblin.

In 1985, the USSR offered Poland a more advanced modification of the "twenty-third" - the MiG-23ML. This fighter had a power plant with increased thrust, improved acceleration and maneuverability, as well as electronics based on a new element base. The detection range of the Sapfir-23ML radar was 85 km, the capture range was 55 km. The TP-23M heat direction finder detected the exhaust of a turbojet engine at a distance of up to 35 km. All sighting information was displayed on the windshield. The MiG-23ML ammunition included R-24 air combat missiles with a launch range of up to 50 km in the forward hemisphere and upgraded R-60MK with a noise-resistant cooled TGS.

However, taking into account the fact that all modifications of the MiG-23 compared to the MiG-21 were significantly more expensive to maintain, the variable-sweep wing fighter made increased demands on the qualifications of the flight crew and was strict in piloting, the leadership of the Polish Air Force in the conditions of the economic crisis and internal political instability from the acquisition of the MiG-23ML refused.

By the early 1990s, NATO military experts had studied the MiG-21 family of fighters well, but they were not familiar with the MiG-23. In March 1993, the first demonstration of the capabilities of the MiG-23MF took place for a delegation of NATO experts who could observe an imitation of air combat with the MiG-29 over Powidz and get acquainted in detail with the avionics of the aircraft. In September 1994, in Slupsk, as part of the Partnership for Peace program, joint flights of Polish MiG-23MFs with American F-15Cs of the 493rd Fighter Squadron of the US Air Force were carried out. MiG-23MF/UB aircraft also operated from western airfields, taking part in the Orla Szpon-9 and Ocelot-99 exercises.

The high intensity of flights sometimes led to equipment failures, and piloting errors also occurred. Four MiG-23MF aircraft crashed, two pilots were killed.

Due to the lack of spare parts and high operating costs, starting from 1994, the Polish "twenty-thirds" began to fly less, and aircraft that required expensive repairs were decommissioned. In 1996-1998, despite the large residual resource, 21 MiG-23MF / UB were decommissioned. The 8 MiG-23MF and 2 MiG-23UB remaining in service were decommissioned in September 1999 for financial reasons. These aircraft could serve for at least 8 more years, but economic factors took over. In conditions when no one threatened Poland, the political leadership decided to abandon combat aircraft, which require significant operating costs.


The decommissioned fighters were transported to the training ground in Nadarzyny, where they served as targets for fighter-bomber aircraft. Several aircraft suitable for restoration were bought by American companies. Approximately 10 copies remained in Poland as monuments and museum exhibits.

Polish Air Force MiG-29 fighters


In the first half of the 1980s, American-made F-16A / B aircraft began to enter the air forces of European NATO countries, and the deployment of 4th generation fighters from the US Air Force began at air bases in Italy and Germany.

The experience of combat operations of Syrian aviation in Lebanon has shown that it is very difficult for Soviet-made MiG-21 and MiG-23 fighters to resist the American F-15 and F-16.

In this regard, in the second half of the 1980s, it was decided to supply MiG-29 fighters to the ATS countries, which, in terms of combat characteristics, were at least as good as the latest American combat aircraft.

In the summer of 1989, 7 MiG-29 aircraft arrived in Poland (4 single-seat MiG-29A fighters in version 9.12A and 3 combat trainers MiG-29UB in version 9.51), another 5 single-seat fighters were delivered in October 1990. All single and double MiG-29s became part of one squadron of the 1st Fighter Aviation Regiment in Minsk-Mazovetsky, the other two squadrons continued to use the MiG-21MF.


One of the first Polish MiG-29A

A combat aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 18 kg could stay in the air for more than two hours and reach a speed of 480 km/h at high altitude. This was quite enough to control the airspace of a country like Poland.

The MiG-29A fighters of the export modification supplied to the allies under the Warsaw Pact significantly exceeded in their combat and operational characteristics all Soviet-made front-line fighters transferred earlier.

In close air combat, the MiG-29 in the 1980s-1990s, due to its high maneuverability and thrust-to-weight ratio, had an advantage over all NATO fighters. In addition, the Fulcrum was equipped with fairly advanced avionics for its time and carried six R-60MK and R-73 melee missiles with a launch range of 10–30 km.

Built-in armament - 30-mm gun GSh-301. To combat an air enemy out of line of sight, the combat load could include two R-27R medium-range missiles with a semi-active radar seeker, capable of hitting air targets at a distance of up to 60 km, which in turn made it possible to perform tasks of intercepting front-line and strategic bombers at distant approaches from protected objects. The H019 radar mounted on the MiG-29A export fighter is capable of detecting a fighter-type target at a distance of up to 85 km. Optical-location system in conditions of good visibility captures targets in the infrared range at a distance of up to 35 km. Target information is displayed on the windshield.

The twin-engine MiG-29A favorably differed from the MiG-23MF, which was largely focused on attacks with medium-range missiles, ease of piloting, maneuverability and lower labor costs in preparation for a sortie.

It was planned that this 4th generation front-line fighter by the end of the 1990s would replace the MiG-21 and MiG-23 fighters in the Air Force of the Warsaw Pact countries. However, due to the collapse of the communist ideology and the collapse of the USSR, these plans could not be realized, and the supply of the MiG-29 to the countries of Eastern Europe ceased.

After a divorce from Slovakia, the Czech Republic decided to get rid of its MiG-29 fighters and began to look for a buyer for them. In 1995, a deal was made to exchange 9 single-seat fighters and one "spark" for 11 W-3 "Sokół" helicopters (created by PZL based on the Mi-2).

In the early 2000s, the design bureau of the aircraft factory in Mielec proposed, together with Russia, to develop the M-29 fighter based on the MiG-2000 and produce it in Poland. But the matter did not progress beyond discussion.

On January 1, 2001, the structure of aviation units in Poland changed - the 1st Fighter Aviation Regiment was transformed into the 1st Tactical Aviation Squadron. MiG-29 fighters became the main aircraft ensuring the inviolability of air borders, and the 1st squadron often operated from other airports in the country in separate units, which alternately carried out combat duty for 2–3 months.


In 2003, Poland received 22 MiG-29s from Germany. Including 18 single MiG-29G and 4 double MiG-29GT. Before transferring them to the Air Force, the fighters underwent refurbishment at a factory in the city of Bydgoszcz. In June 2005, 4 MiG-29 aircraft (3 single and 1 double) entered service with the 41st Tactical Aviation Squadron in Malbork.


In 2006, two MiG-29 aircraft were sent to the flight school located in Demblin. Due to a shortage of spare parts, seven former German MiG-29s were dismantled for spare parts. One combat training fighter became an exhibit of the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow.


In the 29st century, Polish MiG-1s regularly took part in joint activities with the aviation of NATO countries. In the period from January 31 to March 2006, 1, fighters from the 4st tactical aviation squadron, based at the airport in Zokniai near Siauliai, controlled the airspace of the three Baltic states: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The Polish group included 29 MiG-6 aircraft and XNUMX pilots.

In 2009, the aviation plant in Bydgoszcz proposed a radical modernization of the existing MiG-29s with a simultaneous overhaul. At the same time, Polish fighters were supposed to receive modern Western avionics and weapons. But for financial reasons, this was abandoned.

To be continued ...
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  1. 0
    19 May 2022 04: 52
    the Polish military appreciated the MiG-21F-13 and wanted to get a license to manufacture it.

    Thank God they didn’t come to this ... they helped the Poles to their detriment ... why?
    1. +10
      19 May 2022 05: 00
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Thank God they didn’t come to this ... they helped the Poles to their detriment ... why?

      The production of the MiG-21 in Poland, which was then a staunch ally of the USSR, would not cause any damage. In those same years, Khrushchev transferred the license for the production of the MiG-21 and Tu-16 to China, with which relations were going to break. Where is the logic?
      1. +1
        19 May 2022 06: 46
        . in the second half of the 1980s, it was decided to supply MiG-29 fighters to the ATS countries

        Who knew that Gorbachev and Yeltsin would come later and the Soviet weapons supplied would turn against us.
        1. +9
          19 May 2022 12: 46
          Quote: Stas157
          Who knew that Gorbachev and Yeltsin would come later and the Soviet weapons supplied would turn against us.

          Until 2014, the current leadership of our country contributed in every possible way to military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine. Who knew it would turn against us?
    2. +5
      19 May 2022 07: 17
      Quote: Bongo
      .

      hi
      The speed of the reaction is important here.
      Did the process take a long time?
      1. +7
        19 May 2022 12: 49
        Quote: Mister X
        The speed of the reaction is important here.
        Did the process take a long time?

        My friend, preparing for a major conflict usually takes a certain amount of time. All actions during the special period are well regulated. But it is fraught to discuss ...
        1. +5
          19 May 2022 13: 57
          Quote: Bongo
          Quote: Mister X
          The speed of the reaction is important here.
          Did the process take a long time?
          But it is fraught to discuss ...

          Understood thanks!
          Answered almost like Kanevsky wink
      2. +5
        19 May 2022 15: 36
        hi
        There was an informative booklet translated "Soviet nuclear weapons", even in the 90s it was sold in the House of the Book. So I won't reveal the secret.

        In it, as far as I remember, with reference to "that very Polish colonel" (a remarkable personality ...) it was indicated that each (well, this is unlikely) pylon of a special Mig21 could be used to suspend a special charge, which brought their total number to 4, but the use of only one charge per flight was practically practiced (and this seems to be true).
        Preparation time - up to several hours, depending on the degree of readiness (this is completely incomprehensible) of special products.

        But how it really is - it is not known, "whoever says the correct answer will receive ten years." I only read a book from the store ... I can look for exact quotes if necessary. The book is out there somewhere...
        1. 0
          11 July 2022 17: 09
          Completely logical. You don't think that such bombs can be simply rolled out of the bunker on carts, hung up and they are ready for use.
    3. +5
      19 May 2022 12: 54
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Thank God they didn’t come to this ... they helped the Poles to their detriment ... why?

      The Czechs produced the MiG-21F-13 under license, the Poles produced the Mi-2 and An-2. They asked for a license for the Su-25, here it’s really good that it didn’t happen ...
    4. +3
      20 May 2022 12: 23
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      helped the Poles to their own detriment...why?

      The NDP also helped
      BDK pr. 775 - Ropucha (toad) - a series of large landing ships (BDK) of the 2nd rank of the near and far sea zone built in Poland at the Stocznia Polnocna shipyard in Gdansk for the Soviet Navy.
      In the same place pr 770 (771,773)
      MiG-21 F-13 entered Czechoslovakia in 1962
      Serial production of aircraft under license began in Czechoslovakia in the same year at the Aero Vodokhody plant, located on the outskirts of Prague. MiG-21F-13s of Czech construction differed from Soviet-made fighters by the absence of a transparent fixed part of the cockpit canopy; on Czech machines, it was sewn up with metal. At first, the Czechs assembled fighters from components and assemblies supplied from the Union. Mastering mass production was difficult. (!!! if it is difficult for the Czechs with their industry, then it was even more difficult for the Poles)

      Most of the MiG-21F-13 fighters built in Vodohady entered service with the Czechoslovak air defense regiments, but the Czechs exported a small number to the GDR. Serial production of MiG-21F-13 fighters at the Aero Vodokhody plant was completed in 1973, a total of 194 aircraft of this type were manufactured in Czechoslovakia

      There is no politics or foresight here.
      Division of labor according to CMEA
  2. +1
    19 May 2022 06: 12
    MiG-29s were sold in Poland at a price of $4,2 million apiece.
  3. 0
    19 May 2022 06: 28
    During a special period, "special ammunition" could be transferred to the Polish Air Force,

    And you can find out where this information came from. Please state the source.
    1. +7
      19 May 2022 08: 23
      This author was not noticed in the dissemination of frankly false information. There were nuclear cellars in fear of the Warsaw Pact, and testing of the joint use of nuclear weapons was carried out.
      Here is a fairly detailed article about the Soviet repository in Czechoslovakia.
      https://www.currenttime.tv/a/nuclear-weapons-czechoslovakia-ussr/29444985.html
      1. +5
        19 May 2022 08: 51
        Exactly, Bongo has very high quality articles.
      2. +2
        19 May 2022 09: 10
        In no way do I dispute the professional competence and quality of the articles of Dear S. Linnik, which, as a rule, differ for the better from some other materials. The fact that tactical nuclear weapons are deployed on the territory of the VD countries has also not been a secret for a long time. But the possibility of transferring it to "allies" is, as they say, "not a fact." That's why I asked for the original sources.
        p.s. Thanks for the link. But this journalistic article, which mixes "horses, people and volleys ...", so it cannot be used as serious evidence. drinks
    2. +6
      19 May 2022 12: 53
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      And you can find out where this information came from. Please state the source.

      There were several sources. Here is one of them:
      http://www.samolotypolskie.pl/samoloty/1856/126/Mikojan-MiG-21-PF-PFM-R-S-U-US
      1. +1
        19 May 2022 13: 15
        Thanks for the link. True, I had to work hard to translate the Polish "Corner of the Sky" into Russian. I apologize in advance, but the Poles can write anything about the USSR. They have no faith. After the "green" ecologist A.V. Yablokov, who you probably know, composed tons of waste paper about Soviet nuclear weapons and its problems, I am extremely cautious about all kinds of publications on this topic.
        1. +4
          19 May 2022 13: 28
          Quote: Nafanya from the couch
          I apologize in advance, but the Poles can write anything about the USSR. They have no faith.

          Believe it or not, it's a personal matter. But like the Americans, the Western Group of Forces worked out the transfer of tactical nuclear weapons during a special period to the allies in the ATS. This is confirmed by a number of independent sources.
          Quote: Nafanya from the couch
          after the "green" ecologist A.V. Yablokov, who you probably know, wrote tons of waste paper about Soviet nuclear weapons

          I am not familiar with his work. No.
    3. +5
      19 May 2022 13: 18
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      And you can find out where this information came from. Please state the source.

      Several Polish Su-20s from the 7th Reconnaissance Bomber Regiment stationed in Powidz were equipped with systems for the use of the Yadrönbaton. Well, and at the expense of transferring the "loaf" to the pans, it seems like such thoughts just went. But it was quite possible to use it under the "supervision" of our specialists in the event of a full-scale war. But then again, we had such conversations, but no more. Although in the 70s, a certain "number of Polish pilots even underwent training in the Union for the vigorous use of the Su-20." True, this is again at the level of conversations, to be honest, I have not yet seen documents confirming these conversations. There was a rumor that during the war, carriers were transferred to us from Polish units in exchange for simple boards. In my memory, several times ours, from Klyuchevo, flew with the technical staff to Slupsk for a few days, then returned back, but of course, what / why was not covered, it didn’t happen to us - not that level, everything is no further than speculation and rumors. hi
  4. +6
    19 May 2022 07: 04
    Sergey, good day! I read your articles with interest. I would like to make a small clarification: the w-3 is twice as heavy as the mi-2, and yet it was not created on its basis. Based on the Mi-2, the Poles developed the kania helicopter. they do have a number of external similarities (in particular, engine hoods). Even a "corner of the sky" mixed up photos of kania and w3 in an article on kania posted. By the way, thanks to the fact that while reading I was hooked on this statement, I finally determined for myself which and where the helicopter is depicted. Whatever one may say, the "foreign production" of Mil light helicopters is a significant, albeit controversial, part of the domestic helicopter industry
  5. +5
    19 May 2022 07: 09
    In January 1979, a group of pilots and technicians of the Polish Air Force was poisoned in USSR
    You can’t abruptly switch to vodka after a bimber!
    Thank you, Sergey!
    1. +3
      19 May 2022 12: 57
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      In January 1979, a group of pilots and technicians of the Polish Air Force was poisoned in the USSR
      You can’t abruptly switch to vodka after a bimber!

      Hey! Thanks for the fun... good
      By the way, about the birds ... I received the parcel, but I'm not really good at it. He asked me to send it at my expense. I hope in a couple of months we will taste for a housewarming party. Special thanks to Sergey Mikhailov!
      1. +4
        19 May 2022 13: 11
        I received the parcel, but I'm not right.
        1. Great!
        2. Forget it.
      2. +4
        19 May 2022 13: 29
        Thanks, have fun ...
        Simply, it evoked associations with Bezuglov's "narratives", in the comments to which one of my comrades wrote: "It seems that in VVVU, along with lieutenant epaulettes, they gave out a spare liver."
        1. +5
          19 May 2022 13: 38
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Simply, it evoked associations with Bezuglov's "narratives", in the comments to which one of my comrades wrote: "It seems that in VVVU, along with lieutenant epaulettes, they gave out a spare liver."

          It seems to me that Bezuglov is exaggerating a little. In the air defense units that carried the database, they got rid of those who were too "bruised". Although they turned a blind eye to many other things that did not affect the performance of the service. You yourself served in air defense, you probably remember.
          1. +4
            19 May 2022 13: 53
            It is difficult for me to judge the officers, but the private was clearly divided into two castes: those who go to the database, and those who go to the outfits. With a chronic shortage of personnel, this took hypertrophied forms. For example, sometimes I crawled out of the ground for a week only to the dining room, and "that guy" "in a day - on the belt." And we fermented in the same place, at the combat post.
            1. +4
              19 May 2022 16: 10
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              It is difficult for me to judge the officers, but the private was clearly divided into two castes: those who go to the database, and those who go to the outfits. With a chronic shortage of personnel, this took hypertrophied forms. For example, sometimes I crawled out of the ground for a week only to the dining room, and "that guy" "in a day - on the belt." And we fermented in the same place, at the combat post.

              In the 90s, this situation was almost everywhere. But, about the "sour", I strongly doubt it. So, they drank to brighten up life. You can also work on the switch, but at the reception of groups, or on the tablet, this number will not work.
              1. +3
                19 May 2022 16: 25
                So, they drank to brighten up life.
                Well, something like that ... They used it very culturally.
              2. +4
                19 May 2022 16: 28
                On the tablet, this number will not work.
                How did it go!
                1. +4
                  19 May 2022 16: 35
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  How did it go!

                  On the database, for real purposes? belay
                  Did you find the SR-71? What did you fly there?
                  It was very hot at times in the Far East. In any case, the R-3C "Orion" and CR-135 were hovering over neutral waters around the clock.
                  1. +4
                    19 May 2022 16: 41
                    What does it mean by real goals? In my opinion, any free-flying object is already a goal.
                    1. +6
                      19 May 2022 16: 50
                      The 11th Air Defense Division worked on real mock enemy aircraft. So even the S-200VM stationed in Knyaz-Volkonsky near Khabarovsk actually accompanied the American SR-71. The complexes deployed on the coast, those were "at the forefront." When another American or Japanese "Orion" flew too close to our border, it was enough to take it to the sight of the CHP turned on at 10% power, and it quickly faded.
                      1. +3
                        19 May 2022 17: 05
                        Sergei, do not forget that I served a little later. On the note of "non-resistance to evil by violence" I even managed to shoot from the M-16.
                      2. +2
                        20 May 2022 03: 38
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Sergei, do not forget that I served a little later. On the note of "non-resistance to evil by violence" I even managed to shoot from the M-16.

                        From a trophy?
                        I liked the M-16 in terms of shooting. Soft recoil and throws less. But it was a "hunting carbine".
                      3. +4
                        20 May 2022 06: 13
                        Let's just say, from Lend-Lease.
                        In early July 92, as part of the PQ-17 memorial, two American destroyers arrived in Severomorsk. I happened to be present at this event, "shooting" took place.
                      4. +2
                        20 May 2022 06: 18
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Let's just say, from Lend-Lease.
                        In early July 92, as part of the PQ-17 memorial, two American destroyers arrived in Severomorsk. I happened to be present at this event, "shooting" took place.

                        Most likely you fired from the "long" М16А2. I played around with the M4 carbine. It's more compact. I don’t know about you, but the feeling that this weapon was a “toy” did not leave me.
                      5. +3
                        20 May 2022 06: 34
                        After AKM, she seemed to me somehow ... "ungraspable", or something ...
                      6. +3
                        20 May 2022 06: 45
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        After AKM, she seemed to me somehow ... "ungraspable", or something ...

                        On the contrary, it seemed to me more convenient and comfortable when shooting. Although it was unusual.
                      7. +1
                        20 May 2022 07: 12
                        I didn’t have much to compare with, and now too. I did not have an affair with a long-barrel.
                  2. +5
                    19 May 2022 16: 57
                    Let's just say that I personally never sat on a tablet, but a couple of times I saw how a drunken "grandfather" was blown up from a kick of an ensign and quite decently led the target along the tablet. It was in Kharkov, in Murmansk everything was different.
      3. +3
        19 May 2022 14: 41
        Good day, Sergey,
        I received the parcel, but I'm not right. He asked me to send at my expense

        Don't even think about it, no problem. "ParakalO" - as our Greek "friends" say! drinks
        I hope in a couple of months we will taste for a housewarming party.

        I will try to send you something from Homemade for this event.
        Special thanks to Sergey Mikhailov!

        This is not for me, this is primarily for Nikolai! hi
        PS an unexpected question: did Albania have air defense? aviation?
        I don’t know anything about it, as today’s youth says, “from the word at all” wassat
        1. +4
          19 May 2022 15: 06
          This is not for me, this is primarily for Nikolai!
          "But Balaganov, why? Did he work?!" (WITH)
          1. +3
            19 May 2022 15: 11
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            "But Balaganov, why? Did he work?!" (WITH)

            Saw, Shura, they are golden... wassat
            1. +4
              19 May 2022 15: 32
              Yes, it's time for me to get to the city budget ...
        2. +5
          19 May 2022 15: 59
          Quote: Mihaylov
          Don't even think about it, no problem. "ParakalO" - as our Greek "friends" say!

          Okay, let's do it somehow! drinks
          Quote: Mihaylov
          I will try to send you something from Homemade for this event.

          Come on Are you already? In St. Petersburg, they seemed to communicate like that.
          Quote: Mihaylov
          This is not for me, this is primarily for Nikolai!

          I would like to thank Nicholas!
          Quote: Mihaylov
          PS an unexpected question: did Albania have air defense? aviation?
          I don’t know anything about it, as today’s youth says, “from the word at all”

          Thanks for the idea! Maybe I'll take up somehow the air defense of Albania.
          Until the early 1960s, the USSR was the main supplier of weapons to Albania. Tirana, along with first-generation fighters, managed to get the MiG-21F-13. After the rupture of relations with Moscow, China became the main supplier. Several dozen J-1990s (a Chinese copy of the MiG-6) and J-19 (MiG-7) were operated in Albania until the mid-21s. Most of the aircraft were constantly in underground shelters. Radars were also made in China. The Chinese also supplied the HQ-2 air defense system (a copy of the C-75). The last two air defense systems of this type were decommissioned sometime in 2016. The irony is that at that time Albania was already in NATO. Also in Albania there were several thousand anti-aircraft guns of 37-85-mm caliber. Now there is no air defense in Albania, and they rely entirely on the overseas "big brother".
          1. +3
            19 May 2022 16: 17
            Quote: Bongo
            Several dozen J-1990s (a Chinese copy of the MiG-6) and J-19 (MiG-7) were operated in Albania until the mid-21s. Most of the aircraft were constantly in underground shelters. Radars were also made in China. The Chinese also supplied the HQ-2 air defense system (a copy of the C-75).

            It turns out that for such a country, in principle, good air defense?
            Also in Albania there were several thousand anti-aircraft guns of 37-85-mm caliber.

            How effective are they against jet aircraft? or at that time still quite?
            I saw such an "anti-aircraft gun" in the tank museum in Finland, it was in service with them:

            The annotation stated that with the development of jet aviation, it lost its importance.
            Now there is no air defense in Albania, and they rely entirely on the overseas "big brother".

            It’s not clear what is better: to spend money on your army, aviation and air defense, or rely on your older brother. hi
            1. +4
              19 May 2022 16: 30
              [quote = Mihaylov] It turns out that for such a country, in principle, good air defense? [/ Quote]
              Only it is not clear with whom they were going to fight. Against a strong enemy, this would not have helped, and Yugoslavia didn’t need them.
              [quote = Mihaylov] How effective are they against jet aircraft? or at that time still quite?
              I saw such an "anti-aircraft gun" in the tank museum in Finland, they were in service with them: [/ quote]

              The annotation stated that with the development of jet aviation, it lost its importance.
              [quote] Now there is no air defense in Albania, and they rely entirely on the overseas "big brother". [/ quote]

              It’s not clear what is better: to spend money on your army, aviation and air defense, or rely on your older brother. hi[/ Quote]
              Everything is relative. In Vietnam, the Americans suffered the greatest losses in aviation from anti-aircraft guns. But in Albania, the situation was clearly different. Enver Hoxha, with his paranoia, brought the country to poverty. Most of the budget went to the army and the repressive apparatus.

              [quote = Mihaylov] I saw such an "anti-aircraft gun" in the tank museum in Finland, they were in service [/ quote]

              This is a 57mm self-propelled ZSU-57-2. They were also in Poland. In the USSR, they were operated until the early 1970s. Such machines actively fought in the expanses of the former Yugoslavia, but were used mainly against ground targets. The main disadvantage of this ZSU based on the T-54 tank was the lack of a rangefinder. Shooting data was entered by eye. Therefore, despite the good rate of fire, the effectiveness of fire was low. In fact, only barrage fire could be fired at high-speed targets.

              [quote = Mihaylov] It’s not clear which is better: to spend money on your army, aviation and air defense, or rely on your older brother. [/ quote]
              In the situation of Albania, now it is certainly the second.
          2. 0
            19 May 2022 17: 49
            The military-technical cooperation of the USSR and Albania was terminated in 1961. No MiG-21s got there. Only Chinese J-7
      4. +2
        19 May 2022 18: 35
        Well, guys, you give! I'm just delighted! good wink drinks

        Serezha. for the article, as always, thanks, and hello to Olga! love
        1. +3
          20 May 2022 03: 37
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Well, guys, you give! I'm just delighted! good wink drinks

          Serezha. for the article, as always, thanks, and hello to Olga!

          Kostya, hello!
          Olya also bows to you! smile
          Why you do not sleep?
          1. +2
            20 May 2022 04: 50
            Hello Sergey! smile
            Insomnia has overcome, cursed, so we spend the night for a couple with a cat.
            And in the yard rain and dampness - melancholy.

  6. +1
    19 May 2022 07: 13
    a group of pilots and technicians of the Polish Air Force was poisoned in USSR

    It sounds intimidating, right in line with modern Polish tales about the horrors of the USSR ... wink laughing
  7. +4
    19 May 2022 09: 46
    Very interesting and informative! Within the framework of not criticism at all, but rather a wishlist - I got enough information about the German MiG-29G, or rather about what they were like and how they tried to fit them to NATO standards and what they are now
    1. +5
      19 May 2022 13: 03
      Quote: parma
      Very interesting and informative! Within the framework of not criticism at all, but rather a wishlist - I got enough information about the German MiG-29G, or rather about what they were like and how they tried to fit them to NATO standards and what they are now

      Now these machines are in the final stage of their life cycle. The main modernization, combined with refurbishment, consisted in the installation of state recognition systems for communications and navigation of NATO standards. There is information that the avionics designed to display information has been updated. The work was carried out by MiG Aircraft Product Support GmbH (MAPS), a joint venture between the MiG Moscow Aviation Production Association and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace.
      1. +2
        19 May 2022 14: 29
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: parma
        Very interesting and informative! Within the framework of not criticism at all, but rather a wishlist - I got enough information about the German MiG-29G, or rather about what they were like and how they tried to fit them to NATO standards and what they are now

        Now these machines are in the final stage of their life cycle. The main modernization, combined with refurbishment, consisted in the installation of state recognition systems for communications and navigation of NATO standards. There is information that the avionics designed to display information has been updated. The work was carried out by MiG Aircraft Product Support GmbH (MAPS), a joint venture between the MiG Moscow Aviation Production Association and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace.

        Thank you for the information, but have you come across information about the possibility of using Western missiles? I saw not particularly substantiated information that the MiG-29G can be used almost by mavericks (which is strange, because there are no mavericks in Germany)
  8. +3
    19 May 2022 12: 46
    Decommissioned fighters were transported to the training ground in Nadarzyny
    In our country, for some reason, it was written to Nadazyce...
    1. +4
      19 May 2022 13: 16
      Alexander, good evening!
      Quote: Fitter65
      In our country, for some reason, it was written to Nadazyce...

      I relied on Polish sources, they had such a transcription. But I don't think it matters. In general, the name is clear.
      1. +4
        19 May 2022 13: 31
        Good evening, Sergey!
        Quote: Bongo
        I relied on Polish sources, they had such a transcription. But I don't think it matters. In general, the name is clear.

        Certainly. For example, among the Poles we called Chojnice, we called Chojnia, Pyzhytse with them, Pyzhytsa with us ... The Poles called Wroclaw, we among ourselves Breslau, and Szczecin was sometimes called Stetin. Well, what to do was sitting on the database, in the ZKP, which was built by the Germans before the war. laughing laughing good drinks
  9. 0
    19 May 2022 16: 00
    Quote: parma
    Thank you for the information, but have you come across information about the possibility of using Western missiles? I saw not particularly substantiated information that the MiG-29G can be used almost by mavericks (which is strange, because there are no mavericks in Germany)

    Sources claim that the MiG-29G fighters were focused on air combat. The armament remained standard: UR R-27 and R-73.
  10. 0
    11 July 2022 17: 14
    Don't be afraid, colleagues. Considering that the last batches of 29x arrived in Poland and START in the mid-80s, and after that the manufacturer did not service them, I do not think that today there are many flying 29x left in NATO countries. Well, they will roll out 5-10 pieces from conservation, well, they will transfer them ... This does not solve anything today. The FRG, as far as I remember, decommissioned the last flying GDR MiGs several years ago.