Quick Reload Revolvers

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"... the fast one will not escape, the strong one will not gather strength, and the warrior will not save his life."
Book of Amos 2:14

stories about weapons. Each weapon has its own advantages and disadvantages. The first capsule revolvers were deadly weapons in terms of their lethal force, but reloading them was a pain. Cartridge revolvers appeared, and it became easier to reload them. Easier, but only in comparison with how the caps were reloaded. Let's remember what had to be done in order to reload the legendary revolver, and it will become obvious that this weapon was essentially a one-time use. The shooter had no chance to reload it in the event of a prolonged firefight. None!

Many people understood this from the very beginning. This is how the Smith and Wesson revolver appeared with the simultaneous discharge of the drum. The revolver unfolded and the drum was discharged. A lot of such revolvers-clamshells were invented. But from the point of view of mechanics, such a revolver device was not optimal. After all, it was necessary to recharge only the drum. That is, in theory, it was with him that he should have worked without touching the revolver itself. But this simple idea did not come to the designers immediately. So today we will talk about how the gunsmiths realized that in order to reload just one drum on a revolver, it was not at all necessary to lay out the entire revolver! The thing seems to be obvious, but they didn’t think of it right away.



The first who came up with the idea to speed up the loading of the revolver due to more free access to the drum from the breech was, perhaps, the same famous Lepage, who used the original rotation system on the Lepage-Moutier model 1858 Mle1858 type 1 revolver the front of the revolver, along with the barrel and drum to the side, so that at the same time its breech opens. It was a fairly simple 12-mm six-shot cylinder chambered for center-fire, double-action cartridges.


Revolver "Lepage-Moutier" Mle1858 1st type. Photo https://qsy-complains-a-lot.tumblr.com

Quick Reload Revolvers
Lepage-Moutier "Baby" revolver circa 1860: single and double action version, six shots, 8 mm caliber (Lepage-Moutier centerfire cartridges); ring trigger; a lever with a piston for unloading the drum chambers; total length 221 mm; barrel length 121 mm. Photo https://www.thierrydemaigret.com


Model 1866/67 The 2nd type of single and double action, with a barrel length of 160 mm and a caliber of 11 mm, was more perfect than the 1st type model. Right view of the lever for unloading. Photo https://littlegun.info


And this is how the drum leaned back on it along with the barrel to the left side, and the sleeves were removed from the drum on the right side with the help of the extraction lever! Photo https://littlegun.info


Ammo for this revolver. Photo https://littlegun.info


The 1866 Lepage-Moutier revolver number 3 was equipped with an annular trigger. These revolvers were used during the war of 1870 by some wealthy officers of the French army (models of this type were produced under 11 mm and 9 mm cartridges, the latter were more rare. Photo https://laboutiquedejebnah.fr


Revolver model 1866 "Lepage-Moutier" number 3. This is how the drum leaned back on it along with the barrel. Photo https://laboutiquedejebnah.fr


Moore's revolver 1862. Photo https://littlegun.info


The inscription on the trunk. Photo https://littlegun.info


This is what Moore's revolver looked like when reloaded from above. Photo https://littlegun.info

At the same time, American Daniel Moore from Brooklyn offered his revolver in 1862. The device was similar to the Lepage-Moutier revolver, but was much simpler in every way. It was an excellent seven-shot revolver for .32 caliber rimfire cartridges, made on the basis of a patent dated September 18, 1860. It is not uncommon to read that this was the very first swing-out revolver ever produced. But it is not. Lepage still overtook everyone.


Rear view of the drum of a Moore revolver. As you can see, he moved quite a bit, but this was enough for the cartridge to be inserted into the drum chamber! Photo https://littlegun.info

When the trigger on the Moore revolver is in the half-cock position, it was necessary to press the corrugated latch located to the right of the trigger on the shield, after which it was possible to turn the barrel along with the drum for loading.

Rugged and very well made, this revolver is way ahead of all its competitors. Unfortunately for Moore, his drilled-through top hat violated Rollin White's patent, which was then owned by Smith & Wesson. As usual, the company filed a lawsuit, as a result of which the four companies that produced Moore revolvers transferred to Smith and Wesson all 18 (!) Produced and unsold revolvers as compensation for damages incurred. After that, the following inscription was made on the barrels of the revolvers: “Manufactured for Smith and Wesson by Moore and Co. Patent Weapons.”

Another Smith & Wesson patent infringer was Bacon Hopkins, who released his revolver with a drum that leans to the right under patent 1862 No. 35419. In fact, this was the very first revolver with a folding drum.


Revolver Bacon Hopkins with a throwaway drum and nipple release. Photo https://www.ironhorseantiques.com

This revolver had a .38 caliber, was intended for officers and was called the "Marine Model". Only about 300 Hopkins revolvers were produced, and it was much easier to load than other revolvers of the time. But ... a drilled through the drum violated the patent owned by Smith and Wesson, and she, of course, stopped the production of this very promising revolver for that time!


View from the right of the retracted drum. Photo https://www.ironhorseantiques.com

Here again it is worth going back a little and thinking about the zigzags of human thought. What do we load on a revolver? Drum! Want to charge it quickly? But then, maybe it would be faster not to charge it, but to replace it with an already charged one?

A replacement drum was already included with the 1863 Remington revolver. And in the same year, Benjamin Joslin proposed his own version of a revolver with a replaceable primer drum, and he patented it back in 1858. One Freeman acted as manufacturer and sales agent, but he was unable to actually fulfill the first order for 500 units received from the US military, and the contract was terminated. Joslin started his own production and managed to produce 2500-3000 revolvers for sale on the commercial market. About 1100 of them were purchased by various branches of the federal military, including 225 in the US Navy - one of the few (if not the only) significant purchases of .44 caliber revolvers. Joslin's revolvers saw service at Shiloh and other battles, but judging by the available reviews, they had a bad reputation.


Joslin's 1858 revolver. Photo https://www.rockislandauction.com

In appearance, this five-shot revolver was an exact copy of the Colt revolver, but this is only at first glance. Please note that the trigger on it was lateral, L-shaped, and its axis was located on the frame on the right. In the center of this revolver was a knurled screw, which was the axis of the drum, and as soon as it was unscrewed, the drum was in your hands. Of course, it took time to unscrew this screw. But it did not go to any comparison with the time that would be required to reload all five chambers of this revolver. Moreover, they could, like the Colt, be loaded directly on the revolver with the help of the grenade launcher lever. But it was also possible to carry a spare drum in your pocket and, if necessary, quickly change the shot drum for a loaded one.


"Chain revolver" A. Fagnus. Photo https://littlegun.info

The idea of ​​​​a drum being removed for loading seemed simple to disgrace not only to the American Joslin, but also to the Belgian Alexander Fagnus, who launched the production of revolvers with an extractable drum on a metal chain, so as not to lose it in case of something! The revolver had a solid frame and a lever under the barrel connected to the axis of the drum. When the lever moved forward along the barrel, the drum fell out of the socket, but remained on the chain, so that it could not fall to the ground.


Scheme of the device of the revolver A. Fagnus 1867. The axis of the drum and the lever fixing it. Photo https://littlegun.info


Scheme of the chain connection of the barrel and drum. Photo https://littlegun.info

The lever itself also served to use it to knock out the spent cartridge cases of hairpin cartridges from the chambers of the revolver, which would simply be impossible to remove in any other way. Then new cartridges were inserted into the drum, it was placed in place in the frame and fixed with a lever on the axis! Even a stock was invented that turned this revolver into a light carbine!


Revolver A. Fagnus disassembled. Photo https://littlegun.info


A. Fagnus revolver lever close-up. Photo https://littlegun.info


12-mm revolver A. Fagnus and butt to it. Photo https://littlegun.info

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    9 May 2022 05: 11
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, although I am far from firearms, even I was interested! Thank you!
    1. +6
      9 May 2022 06: 20
      Thank you, Olga! It's very nice to read this. But... there will be a sequel, so a drop of pleasantness awaits you in the near future! In general, I have a very interesting novel "People and Weapons". There and about weapons and a lot of adventures. You type and you will see the site on which it is posted.
      1. +3
        9 May 2022 09: 26
        "there are a lot of adventures about weapons" hm. I remember one of our Amazons read it.
        PS. O, strike me with thunder, if revolvers do not appear in the "Iron Horse"
        The only question is: why was it not mentioned? Maybe it's not for women.
        1. +1
          9 May 2022 16: 48
          I read. I was curious there: the customs of the Indians.
        2. +2
          9 May 2022 17: 02
          Quote: vladcub
          if revolvers do not appear in "Iron Horse"

          They appear, of course. And it's interesting for women too. But just let him at least read this first. If you like it, it will even reach the "Iron Horse" and "Barcy Cats".
      2. +8
        9 May 2022 12: 03
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, hello!
        To be honest, I feel a bit sorry for you. Your excellent article was published in the "Armaments" section in parallel with the complete crap: "Forgotten Soviet Aircraft". And at the same time, this crap has currently gained more views than your well-researched article, written in a living language.
        As for Olya, she is still that Amazon. He often goes hunting with me.

        Recently, before the opening of the spring season, we walked around the city, and on the way I went to buy shotgun cartridges.
        Olya saw a diluted Taurus revolver for sale, which was sold without permission. I see my eyes light up. Offered her this toy for her birthday. Asked the seller to poyuzat. But as it turned out, Olya's hand is not strong enough and large enough to shoot self-cocking from this scarecrow. Nearby lay blank pistols: Glock, Sieg Sauer 226, Beretta 92 and PM. But they didn't show up to her. No, they say they have charisma like a revolver. I ended up buying only ammo.
        1. +6
          9 May 2022 16: 26
          Sergey, greetings and best wishes to you and Olga!
          You provoked me to do something I've never done before - to post a photo of my wife during the early years of our relationship with her.
          Photo - Novodevichy Convent, Ambrose's Chambers, State Historical Museum weapons department, my workshop. My Masha and the Czechoslovak "Mauser", pneumatics, produced specifically for the "Hitler Youth". The rifle almost did not have to be put in order - the fight is crazy, as our monastic young ladies used to say: “Our crows don’t fly after twelve.! laughing I just didn’t come to work before, but I also left with the last trolley bus. smile
          1. +5
            9 May 2022 16: 36
            Uncle Kostya, and your wife, my "aunt", looks good with a rifle
            1. +3
              9 May 2022 16: 52
              Thanks Vera smile , but for you, she is hardly drawn to the "aunt", we have a very big age difference with her. drinks
              1. +4
                9 May 2022 17: 29
                Either way, she looks good.
                1. +3
                  9 May 2022 17: 40
                  In addition to this, her head also works great. smile
                  1. +3
                    9 May 2022 19: 10
                    Here! We value our companions not for their spectacular appearance, but for the harmonious combination of intelligence, beauty and kindness!
                    1. +3
                      9 May 2022 20: 11
                      Unfortunately, this understanding only comes with age. smile
                      1. +3
                        9 May 2022 20: 23
                        Meanwhile, this is true.
                      2. +3
                        9 May 2022 20: 42
                        However, love...
                      3. +3
                        9 May 2022 20: 47
                        Sapkowski, within the epic "The Witcher", has a wonderful essay "A Little Bit of Sacrifice".
                      4. +3
                        9 May 2022 20: 54
                        Alas, I have no idea what it’s about, if it’s about the series, then I haven’t seen it, and if there is a book, I haven’t read it. request
                      5. +3
                        9 May 2022 20: 56
                        This is not to be seen, it is to be read.
                      6. +3
                        9 May 2022 21: 03
                        You can not embrace the immensity and you can not read everything. smile
          2. +4
            9 May 2022 17: 06
            Quote: Sea Cat
            photo of my wife

            And you are lucky!
            1. +4
              9 May 2022 17: 20
              Exceptionally, I just can’t imagine how I would live without Mary. smile
          3. +3
            9 May 2022 18: 33
            Judging by the clothes, hair and makeup, the year is 87?
            1. +3
              9 May 2022 18: 45
              You guessed. and almost exactly. smile
              1. +3
                9 May 2022 18: 49
                Yes, I did not guess, I just remember, the change of style took place before my eyes.
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        3. +4
          9 May 2022 17: 05
          Quote: Bongo
          As for Olya, she is still that Amazon. He often goes hunting with me.

          Not only do you have a beautiful wife, she also shares the interests of her husband. You are lucky!
      3. +5
        9 May 2022 15: 22
        Good afternoon, Vyacheslav!
        Thank you for an interesting full-fledged article, in which, like in others, there was a lot of new and unknown. good
        I just want to note that it was possible to change a shot drum for a loaded drum on such a legendary archaic as the Colt-Patterson.
        during the hostilities, the soldiers simply changed the empty ones to the already prepared drums, so as not to go through the entire process of reloading in battle. This greatly saved time and, as a result, was directly related to winning victories.
        It's about fighting the Seminoles in Florida.
  2. +2
    9 May 2022 06: 30
    Very interesting.
  3. IVZ
    +2
    9 May 2022 06: 39
    I thought I knew more about weapons. Live forever... Thank you.
    1. +6
      9 May 2022 07: 25
      Quote: IVZ
      I thought

      I thought so too. But "crawling" through special sites, especially museum and auction sites, I learned a lot of new things.
  4. +5
    9 May 2022 09: 32
    Comrades, all with the holiday of the Great Victory!
    VO, yesterday I wanted to ask when your rifle will be? a little bored
  5. +3
    9 May 2022 10: 04
    Well written article!
    Clearly, in simple language, read in one breath - thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Happy holiday to you! )))
    Happy holiday, dear friends!)))
    And whether business - a modern pistol. He pressed the button, pulled out the clip, drove a new one, giving it with his palm for speed, and shoot yourself further, no hassle! wassat )))
    Mankind slowly moved towards the simple but necessary.
    1. +3
      9 May 2022 17: 11
      Quote: depressant
      Happy holiday to you! )))
      Happy holiday, dear friends!)))

      Happy holiday to you and everyone in VO too! I just left early in the morning. That's why I answer late. I dug the beds, grilled a chicken on coals, concreted a pit for water taps from a collapsible pipe, so that right by the path, so that it would be convenient to collect water in containers. The whole dacha is in tulips. The road was excellent, in a word - a lot of pleasure. While I was digging to myself, I was composing the text of another article. Now my hands are itching to put it all in writing.
      1. +2
        9 May 2022 17: 53
        Proceed to the presentation, you are our master! wassat )))
        There are such business men! )))
        And I came across an article in Yandex (finally recovered, you can already read) about how to defend yourself if Asian guest workers crowd into apartments? What to do? Just shoot back. Pistol. Yes Yes...
        Do you have weapons at home?
        1. +4
          9 May 2022 18: 10
          Quote: depressant
          Do you have weapons at home?

          I have a Nepalese kukri, sharp as a razor, it is not considered a melee weapon, but it cuts a chicken in half with one blow.
        2. +3
          9 May 2022 19: 20
          Quote: depressant
          There are such business men!

          I have three women on my balance sheet. I can't help it. You are responsible for those you have tamed!
          1. +1
            9 May 2022 19: 50
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, I really looked. RU...
            Yes, you have 339 articles there, and what! I'm talking about it here, not in the comments about Sinop. I just don't want to get into further discussion with that person. He is upset, something is not going well with him, sociability is lowered, let him restore the level. The man didn't find the wave... So that's what I'm talking about. Not many appreciate the ease of communicating with people of your level. In the annotations to the articles - all your regalia, where and when they were published (countries are listed), in general, it became scary. You yourself are the Gauss gun you wrote about. And I have repeatedly met references to the Gauss rifle and even a description of the action in a series of books about stalkers. Breaks armor! Well, you are impenetrable armor. Looks like you have three women.
            Someone bronzes, and you, having remained sociable, have become impenetrable wassat )))
            1. +1
              10 May 2022 06: 41
              Quote: depressant
              became impenetrable

              After 40 years in school, both secondary and higher, nothing can affect you anymore. And then what did Confucius say? “A noble man thinks of nine things: seeing clearly; about listening clearly; about his face being friendly; that his actions should be respectful; that his speech was sincere; about his actions being cautious; the need to ask others when in doubt; the need to remember the consequences of your anger; about the need to remember about justice when there is an opportunity to benefit. "I try to follow. Although not always and not in everything I succeed. I am angry without measure, vindictive, not always cautious. But I struggle with these shortcomings. And I want to write everything to Pravda 340- oh, but I can’t - all my strength and time go to VO and to the dacha.
          2. +1
            9 May 2022 20: 22
            You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, don't consider your son-in-law to be a man? As for me, quite a worthy person.
            1. +1
              10 May 2022 06: 47
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              son-in-law do not consider a man?

              Ha! You see Anton. It's like that! But due to its development, it can not help in everything. For example, he will not be able to write an advertising article for his daughter's company even under execution. And then, he has a father, mother, sister ... His own dacha for them, where he works a lot. And at our dacha, it happens only in the most extreme cases, when I can’t do something. For example: electrical wiring. So... even my daughter has to help. So to speak: the division of family functions and powers.
      2. +3
        9 May 2022 18: 13
        And I finished my debut.
        Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. +2
          9 May 2022 19: 19
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          And I finished my debut.

          Anton, you are great! I look forward to seeing how it turns out with interest! I hope that you have received some satisfaction already in the process?
          1. +2
            9 May 2022 19: 33
            I hope that you have received some satisfaction already in the process?
            In everything that I wrote, I was sure even before that. There is satisfaction from the work done, but not from the process at all!
            1. +1
              10 May 2022 06: 51
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              from the process is not at all!

              It speaks about the level of your knowledge. I also often sit down to write, knowing everything in advance to the point. All the twists and turns. And not interested. You write and think - soon, soon, because everything is clear anyway. Alas, this is a common misfortune of knowledgeable authors.
              1. 0
                10 May 2022 07: 06
                I didn’t even insert pictures yesterday, my eyes hurt. But I found one fact that turned my idea of ​​the events described upside down and added another riddle. But he didn't fix anything. Best the enemy of the good!
                1. +1
                  10 May 2022 07: 18
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  But I found one fact that turned my idea of ​​the events described upside down and added another riddle.

                  Make another material on this, what are you talking about?
                  1. 0
                    10 May 2022 07: 24
                    Until it works out, in two words from the manuscript, translated three times from language to language, the material cannot be made.
                    1. +1
                      10 May 2022 07: 55
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Until it works out, in two words from the manuscript, translated three times from language to language, the material cannot be made.

                      Also a familiar situation. But you can look for material, put it in a pile. Although sometimes it takes ... years!
  6. +5
    9 May 2022 14: 21
    hi
    IMHO, one of the first most interesting models with the ability to quickly change the drum was at Remington.
    Dirty Harry, confirm:
  7. +6
    9 May 2022 14: 30
    With firing, Remington's reload looked like this:


    near cylinder change:


    But not all quick revolver barrel changes are "equally useful"!:
  8. +1
    9 May 2022 16: 29
    Vyacheslav, Moore or Josalyn really saved time, and Ferguson ... The drum will hang on a tiptoe, and you will catch it in order to equip it with Cartridges. I absolutely do not see why he is better than Nagan ..
    1. +1
      9 May 2022 17: 12
      Quote from lisikat2
      how is he better than Nagan ..

      But novelty, and the market loves novelty!
  9. +2
    9 May 2022 17: 37
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, drew attention to the fact that the then revolvers were decorated with engraving
    1. +3
      9 May 2022 18: 12
      Quote: Astra wild2
      decorated with engraving

      And often! I'll have to write an article about it. There are such scenes on the drums - just pictures!
      1. +3
        9 May 2022 18: 25
        This is vanity and vexation of the spirit! It should be beautiful in the Hermitage, but on the battlefield it should be safe!
        1. +2
          9 May 2022 19: 17
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          This is vanity and vexation of the spirit!

          Well, I think it will still be interesting. Especially our ladies. They deserve it by the fact that they read us!
          1. +2
            9 May 2022 19: 26
            Oh sure! Women are the keepers of the memory of generations! We are only carriers of the genetic code. "Born - in the saddle - in the grave. (c) In this sense, we are not far from insects.
  10. 0
    12 June 2022 09: 33
    another interesting thing is why no one in those days thought of special devices for quickly reloading drums like now?
  11. 0
    17 June 2022 18: 17
    Thank you very much for the work done, very informative articles
  12. 0
    31 July 2022 14: 29
    A very nice article about interesting weapons. Thank you. am