Oncoming tank battle on April 3 raises questions of command and control, reconnaissance, and UAVs

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Encounter fight and its questions

From the "Voyenkor" telegram channel "Older Eda":

The most important information on the unfolding Izyum battle. Yesterday afternoon in the village of Brazhkovka (southwest of Kamenka) a meeting took place tank battle. Tankers of the 13th regiment of the First Tank Army jumped on the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and destroyed 6 tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a short-lived clash, losing one of their own tanks. At the moment, the village itself is in the gray zone, there are fierce battles for it. Honestly, I don’t know if there were already similar oncoming tank battles during the campaign or not, but in any case, this is the most important combat experience.

Another similar post:

A few days ago, when the DPR army had already taken Verkhnetoretskoye, the enemy attempted a counterattack on 6 tanks plus infantry, were repulsed - partly withdrew, partly went to Bandera.

T-64 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, shot down in Mariupol

What catches your eye from these messages?

First. The suddenness of clashes, even with such enemy targets as a group of tanks. Accordingly, very serious questions arise for intelligence and control, which is confirmed by a number of data published by the Ministry of Defense from awards on our servicemen.

The second, as a consequence of the first, is that the enemy still has the ability to operate in fairly large groups of tanks and armored vehicles.

In this situation, even such examples as our unconditional success at Cossack Lopan, when the intention of the enemy’s armored group to break through and raid across the territory of the Russian Federation was met and repulsed (with heavy losses), raises questions: why was its complete destruction not happened?

Questions about the tank ambush of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The issues raised very clearly are shown in the video from the Ukrainian side with a tank ambush on a column of armored personnel carriers (probably our marines), the screenshots from which are given below.

Note: it must be emphasized that this video is edited and cropped by the Ukrainian side, and it is far from a fact that the tank shown on it was there alone.

The Ukrainian UAV (quadcopter) controls the situation, giving the enemy full situational awareness. At the same time, it is necessary to note both the quick and skillful actions of our troops (which made it possible to avoid heavy losses that are practically mandatory in such a situation), and the rather indecisive actions of the ukrovermacht.

If our UAV were over the battlefield, it is obvious that enemy tanks would have been detected and destroyed.

Here it is worth noting the factor of thermal imaging surveillance devices. Unfortunately, the modernization of a number of samples of our equipment went according to the "economic option", and neither the BTR-80A nor the upgraded BMP-1 received thermal imagers. The presence of a thermal imager in this combat episode would have made it possible to immediately detect the tank and destroy it.

With the appearance of foliage, this factor becomes even more important.

However, in this particular combat episode, even the simplest UAV with a camera would have made it possible to detect an ambush (following the same tracks of tank tracks) and avoid potential heavy losses.

Tough Management Issues

From the report of the Coordinating Center for Assistance to Novorossia (KCPN) 2019 (1 link, 2, the report itself - 3):

This problem is especially acute in connection with the receipt by the enemy of modern Javelin anti-tank systems ... In fact, the only means of combating this kind of enemy anti-tank weapons are the extremely coordinated joint actions of tanks, infantry, artillery and UAVs, which should ensure early detection of maneuverable enemy ATGM crews (UAVs), maximum difficulty for them to enter the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe defensive line assigned to them and deploy to it (artillery) and as early as possible detection and rapid destruction of already deployed crews (motorized rifles moving ahead of tanks - detection, tanks - destruction) ...
... the enemy, on a competitive basis, is mass-equipping his armored units with closed digital communications of the MOTOTRBO standard, integrated into tank intercoms of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, in the corps of the people's militia, such modifications remain the lot of enthusiasts with the support of volunteers. The only battalion that has a full-fledged unified integrated digital closed communication system for the infantry and its combat vehicles is the 14 BtrO "Ghost" of the LPR ...

With regard to the "Ghost", it is necessary to emphasize the consistency and effectiveness of the work of commanders and volunteers in creating a relatively modern tactical communications system, and taking into account the extremely limited resources for this.

This is in the corps of Novorossia, but what about in the “Red Army” itself? Yes, much better. But the massive use of Chinese walkie-talkies (there is even in the “ceremonial” videos of the Ministry of Defense, for example, awards) speaks for itself.

There is a very recent volunteer fundraiser for commercial radio stations for pilots (!), and this despite the fact that the flight crew is an unconditional “golden resource” of the RF Armed Forces!

Actually combat examples ( link):

On March 10, Lieutenant Igor Korneev told Izvestia how the operation against the nationalists in Ukraine went. With his department defended the checkpoint from the bridge for six days. According to Korneev, their task was to prevent the enemy from reaching a strategically important object. Wherein the officers had no connection with the command and the rest of the soldiers all this time. Together with senior lieutenant Alexei Akimov, Korneev commanded a unit that held the defensive line for a day. According to the military the enemy used in combat means of electronic suppression of communication lines... decided to withdraw the troops to the area where the main forces of the brigade were concentrated. This allowed them to lure the enemy into a "bag" ... They knew that three kilometers away there was another checkpoint with my guys. I knew that a senior officer from there was taken prisoner. Accordingly, I did not know whether people remained there or not. We decided how to retreat, and unequivocally decided ... to pick them up, ”says Korneev. According to him, the soldiers really expected the arrival of the command. Together with them, Korneev and Akimov moved back to the others.

The officers and fighters acted heroically, but on the issues raised, as they say - "the facts are on the face."

Hard questions about drones

From the report of the KCPN (2019, on the situation in the corps of the armed forces of the DPR and LPR):

... the enemy, by the fall of 2018, launched a massive use of UAVs of various types in solving a variety of tasks. According to the participants in the air war on our part, the Armed Forces of Ukraine keep as many devices in the air at the same time as there are in principle in the Corps by state, including temporary faulty and lost ones ... 5-7 minutes after the start of any major battle, an enemy spotter appears in the air, and the work of enemy artillery is greatly simplified.

The enemy, in addition to aircraft-type UAVs, widely uses both small DJI Phantom and Mavic Pro quadrocopters for tactical reconnaissance, as well as larger analogues, including strike ones ... The study of downed and crashed aircraft-type UAVs confirmed the existing assumptions regarding the presence of optical surveillance equipment at night and in difficult weather conditions, FLIR Vue Pro thermal imaging cameras ... UAVs with these cameras are integrated by the enemy into the command and control system ...

One of the examples of the successful use of UAVs (moreover, ordinary civilians) on our part (14 armored personnel carriers "Ghost" of the LPR):

Very interesting information from the war zone is on the use of electronic warfare:

... in many areas of the ukry they are stupidly afraid to constantly turn on the electronic warfare, realizing that the "jammer" is well bearing and is instantly destroyed by artillery fire. This does not mean that they do not provide any resistance at all, they have “anti-drone guns” in their troops, but this, compared to systematic jamming, is much less effective guerrilla warfare.

Of course, this speaks of the very good work of our electronic intelligence and the well-developed and effective fire control of artillery according to its data. However, there are a number of issues here, especially with regard to the massive use of UAVs by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Obviously, the issue of the reconnaissance range of such means is acute, and the most effective solution here is an air carrier. The UAV is too small for accurate direction finding of such means, but special electronic tactical reconnaissance aircraft are widely used, but in ... the US armed forces.

Is it possible for us to implement this (and in the shortest possible time)? Yes, definitely. There is an L-410, and there are more than a dozen M-101 Gzhel aircraft in storage (with a minimum consumption of a flight resource - some boards are less than 500 hours). Technically, the issue is extremely simple (and fast in implementation - subject to a tough and resolute statement of issues by the leadership), but practically unsolvable organizationally (because a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation is required - an interdepartmental issue). Link - “Well, we are not 41 years old, and the war is not on our territory”. Of course, they must be used from their own territory, outside the zone of destruction of enemy air defense systems.

And another extremely acute question - power sources (which is extremely important: for walkie-talkies, and for "night lights", and for UAVs), just one of the many examples "from the fields", link:

… the problem of our other neighbors on the front … there is a fucking-expensive-fancy-what-a-cool Russian drone. Not like our toy Mavics, yes. To which fucking drone there are already three regular lithium batteries, but not one of them is already working normally - all are extremely worn out. Therefore, the entire front is fighting on the Maviks ...

The “workhorse” of aerial reconnaissance of the troops is primarily the “Orlans-10”.
It is worth recalling that this, by far, the best tactical UAV of the 2010s, appeared largely “semi-underground” (story in the future worthy of an adventure novel) in the early 2010s. "under the wing" of the Ground Forces, whose responsible officers understood that they would have to fight, very soon and tough.

At the same time, it must be emphasized that all the work on the “unmanned theme” carried out by the “regular bodies” turned out to be a failure at that time (despite the huge funds spent).

"Orlan" helped out a lot and helped in Syria and a number of other conflicts.

However, it is rapidly becoming obsolete, and their significant losses in Ukraine today are a “wake-up call” about the need for a critical review of the entire concept of equipment and appearance of UAVs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - and not only taking into account combat experience, but first of all, new means of fighting UAVs, which are already appeared at our probable opponents, but have not yet been used in battle.

And here again it is necessary to quote ( link):

If on the technical side our lag is small (with relative well-being in communications, aerodynamics, electric motors, we have serious problems with stabilized optics, thermal imagers, piston engines and batteries), then on the organizational side it is catastrophic ... Another reason, which, alas, cannot be said directly in the media in public. Almost all domestic developers literally “howled” from it ... our UAVs were recaptured (in conditions of tough opposition) without such “additional care” successfully both in Syria and in a number of other countries. Now they are actually outlawed.

PS

1. It is necessary not just to mass equip UAVs for troops (both the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the republics), but precisely a change in the organizational structure, including subdivisions. Today it is obvious that tactical UAVs (moreover, a group of tactical UAVs) are needed at least at the “platoon level”.

2. Cash UAVs must be provided with “consumables” (batteries, propellers, other spare parts and accessories).

3. Reconnaissance, troop advancement - should be provided by UAVs (in most cases). This obviously requires a change in combat documents.

4. In this situation, the massive use of cheap "civilian" UAVs is fully justified. However, it must be taken into account here that with the deployment of full-scale modern electronic warfare and the turning point of the Ukrainian side in artillery duels, the Mavik era will end abruptly and abruptly. "Maviks" are suitable only as an emergency temporary (!) Solution, but we critically and urgently need massive (and cheap, but with a "military connection") tactical UAVs of our own!

5. Set out in paragraphs. 1, 2, 3 and 4 is possible only when reviewing the sometimes inadequate requirements for our UAVs.

6. Thermal imagers! This is an extremely important issue for all the RF Armed Forces - from drones, armored vehicles to individual units (at least one per squad).

7. It is necessary to "embed" the UAV in the command and control system of troops, with its significant change in the direction of the development of "horizontal communications" and the interaction of troops. Let me emphasize - it is at the "local level" - as due to the need for a quick response to a change in the situation (including in terms of the use of "heavy" weapons).

8. Taking into account the really widespread use of civilian radio stations in the troops, it is advisable to widely use the experience of 14 BtrO "Prizrak" of the LPR in creating a digital tactical communication system with minimal (against the background of the usual "price tags" of the Ministry of Defense).

9. Taking into account the extreme importance of tactical electronic intelligence (including for combating enemy UAVs), it is necessary to create our analogue of the American aviation subsystems of RER "Gadriel".

10. An extremely important point is the problem of supply, resource and battery charging.

Comments

[Tired]

For the mass use of modern means of intelligence and communications, mass production of modern means of communications and intelligence is needed. And for the mass production of modern means of communication and intelligence, a powerful and high-tech economy is needed. Do we have one?
In the meantime, the same drones are produced in our country in single copies, the military will treat them not as consumables that are needed always, everywhere and in large quantities, but as valuable property that needs to be protected at any cost.

[military_cat]

Taking into account the really wide use of civilian radio stations in the troops

How is anyone else surprised at the appearance of intercepted communications on the Internet?

[Civil]

For 14 years at all forums he has called for an immediate resolution of the issue with the UAV.


I can suggest the following steps:
1. Each unit of armored vehicles will be chased by several UAVs of various purposes (reconnaissance, destruction, destruction of the crew, capture of the unit, etc.).
2. Then a swarm of UAVs will rush behind each fighter.

P.S. Now I will be criticized by the same people who 10 years ago even the Reapers called names - "a circle of children's aircraft modeling." However, the sailing fleet ended, as did the era of steamships.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Civil

For 14 years at all forums he has called for an immediate resolution of the issue with the UAV.


I can suggest the following steps:
1. Each unit of armored vehicles will be chased by several UAVs of various purposes (reconnaissance, destruction, destruction of the crew, capture of the unit, etc.).
2. Then a swarm of UAVs will rush behind each fighter.

P.S. Now I will be criticized by the same people who 10 years ago even the Reapers called names - "a circle of children's aircraft modeling." However, the sailing fleet ended, as did the era of steamships.

Majority:\
1. "UAV" critics, \
2. admirers of all sorts of "unparalleled in the world",
3. Accusers of blacks and Arabs in illiteracy, when blacks and Arabs were always to blame for any losses of our weapons
4. and other digital writers who considered how Moscow destroys the entire 6th fleet with one salvo, how the ZGRLS gives a clear sky, how the S-300 will shoot everything in the air at a distance of 300 km, how T-72B3 tanks destroy everything that moves at a distance of 3 km, How the Tornado "makes the lunar landscape on the fortified areas, How the whole world trembles before the Dagger ...
somehow they very sharply reduced their delightful and praiseworthy activities ...
The tongue is screwed up.
For reality is different from the propaganda of Carbon monoxide ...

[Nag1984]

To the point, and still traditional
we have an underestimation of the enemy, "We will destroy the entire army of the enemy with one Iskander in five minutes, We will beat the enemy on its territory with little blood," etc. nonsense grief of the military "experts" of the five-minute analogue-namers, more than once or twice has gone sideways to us! And as you know, underestimating even a weak opponent is the first step to defeat! The harsh reality of any war is not a throw with hats, but a combination of a huge number of factors!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Civil

I can suggest the following steps:
1. Each unit of armored vehicles will be chased by several UAVs of various purposes (reconnaissance, destruction, destruction of the crew, capture of the unit, etc.).
2. Then a swarm of UAVs will rush behind each fighter.

By the way, Murza has an excellent description of what a battle is like when a unit has at least civilian UAVs, and most importantly, trained operators and commanders who can fight using UAVs.

Recently, as I already wrote, the "ghosts" took another position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "Pants". An absolutely obscure point on the map for 99,99999999% of people interested in this war. Not particularly well-known even by the standards of the LPR, what is already there throughout the rest of the war. But. The assault group of Luhansk residents went there without a single shot. The position was empty. Dill left her, leaving five bodies of their dead there. Well, that is, after they decided to throw a point, there were no heroes to pull them out of there. The abandoned bodies, as usual, were carefully examined. It turned out that none of those killed had been shot with small arms. All five, judging by the nature of the wounds, were the extraction of a mortar battery of the 14th armored personnel carrier of the NM of the LPR "Prizrak".
(...)
What is the significance of this moment? It lies in the fact that for the first time it turned out to completely "re-entrust the contact shooting battle of artillery." If at the previous positions, by the time of the infantry attack, the Armed Forces of Ukraine left several shooters, who, having shot the entire ammo, surrendered, then this time it turned out that there were no fools. The quadric of the NM LPR hanging over the positions meant for the dill, who would decide to stay, death without any possibility of inflicting any damage on the "Donbass orcs". And they didn't stay. They are by no means cowardly guys there, in the reconnaissance and motorized infantry of the 17th tank brigade. But they are gone. Apparently, they were strongly impressed by the cleansing of the vicinity of the 29th checkpoint after the capture of the main fortification by ours. This sweep looked like hunting with dogs. For a whole daylight hours, changing one battery after another, the Mavik combed the battlefield, aiming mortars and infantry group weapons at the AFU troops hiding in auxiliary positions.

"He lies in the trench, I see him. Pull back, pull back, we'll work it out now."

And the 120th mine flew. And then another and another, until the commander in charge of the battle considered the approach of the infantry to the next target safe enough. Once upon a time, they also drove us with a tank, mortars, bekhs and dashes at our positions near the "Basin". But it never occurred to any of us to abandon our position and retreat.

[Volkof]

The naive conclusions of Maxim Klimov are simply touching! Kindergarten and more! Tired, we have everything, except for the brains of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, and above all, of his boss, "a scientist and a great reformer" .... What can we talk about, in general, if no concept of modern combined arms combat , they are fighting with the methods of the 2nd World War ... Buy and bring millions of UAVs, the result will be the same ...Let this genius and his General Staff give birth to the concept of modern combat first, the birth of these idiots has dragged on for 20 years already .... Contact me, I'll draw easy ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Volkof

The naive conclusions of Maxim Klimov are simply touching! Kindergarten and more! Tired, we have everything, except for the brains of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, and above all, of his boss, "a scientist and a great reformer" .... What can we talk about, in general, if no concept of modern combined arms combat , they are fighting with the methods of the 2nd World War ... Buy and bring millions of UAVs, the result will be the same ...Let this genius and his General Staff give birth to the concept of modern combat first, the birth of these idiots has dragged on for 20 years already .... Contact me, I'll draw easy ...

But it really is.
When a major general, who is 5 years younger than me, is simply unable to learn how to use a smartphone / tablet - how is it in general?
It’s not that he doesn’t want to, he wants to pay money to communicate with his granddaughter via Viber, but he doesn’t have enough brains ....
Good money.
And these are people, major generals - they are everywhere.
Round...

[tank64rus]

In 1998, I was in Moscow and visited the BTV Academy for dissertation questions. It turns out that already then the issues of using UAVs on armored vehicles as standard equipment were being worked out. And two UAVs per tank. But, the Italians did it first, about ten years ago. Until now, they show at exhibitions. And we no longer have the ATV Academy and the UAV is not visible. Some talk, like about KAZ.

[Yngvar]

The impression is that our generals have forgotten simple truths - intelligence and communications are the main criteria when deciding on further actions! It turns out that "not knowing the ford we climb into the water"! Even if we have an idea, we cannot provide a connection! And as you know, the loss of control - there is a failure and loss of people and equipment!
What is it? Incompetence or criminal negligence?
The military-industrial complex in the 90s "thumped to the ground", even for space we produce some parts at commercial enterprises with poor quality ... There are enough developments, only there is no large-scale production, piece by piece! The production of the element base was killed a long time ago, weak attempts to restore them resemble agony ...

[Voronezh]

Take my word for it, the generals don’t care for all this ... How much money in the Moscow Region is wasted on biathlons, games, temples, etc. instead of spending them on upgrading troops. Where are the protective screens on the equipment? That's right, at the shows. Potemkin villages and outright lies in the reports flourish. I speak from my observations. The SVO will end and unfortunately nothing will change ... Even by the way they talk about our exploits on TV, we can draw a sad conclusion that there is practically no reconnaissance from the air, otherwise it would not sound constantly that we were ambushed or surrounded ... All this is sad. ...

[Yngvar]

I agree! All the "loot" is put on display! There is no real combat training in the troops, except perhaps in a few formations. There is also a reduction in the service life of conscripts! I taught my soldiers for two years, and I think that is not quite enough! Understanding how to work on equipment and in what environment did the fighters come only by the end of the first year, and with constant training and exercises - all the same, the division (41st motor division in the Mongolian People's Republic) had cover ... We were very "friends" with China then! For the second year, the acquired knowledge and skills were consolidated in exercises and work on equipment at the training ground "in winter quarters". Snotty boys came, two years later serious guys!
Now a neighbor's guy came from the army, he served in Naro-Fominsk in the Airborne Forces, I ask what you can do? How was it served? The KMB says for half a year, and then all sorts of fortifications - he dug trenches, pillboxes for exercises ... And that's it! Weapons were given only on the oath! Not even a single parachute jump! The rest of the study was out of the question!

[AdAstra]

Yes, they thought (or didn’t think) that the contract would solve everything, but when such “operations” were written on their knees, it turned out that they didn’t. Some of my acquaintances with "experience" said so to the representatives of the military registration and enlistment offices when they called them with offers to "remember the past."

[Cympak]

Yes, they thought (or didn’t think) that the contract would solve everything, but when such “operations” were written on their knees, it turned out that they didn’t.

Modern technology requires professionals. Technological progress requires constant retraining of reservists. Therefore, it is necessary to combine the contract with the reserve, motivated to retrain at regular training camps + therodefense to replenish the infantry.

[UAZ 452]

How the term passes now - it does not matter if it will be a year or 10 years. You yourself write absolutely correctly - now this has nothing to do with combat training, the formation of a mobile reserve. Increase the time of military service to 2 years? Well, for two years they will go to duty at the checkpoint, clean up the territory, do chores (which are not there, just as there were no conscripts in Ukraine), dig something, and see the machine gun only in pictures during rare classroom classes. Oh yes - they will participate in parades and many months of preparation for them not once, but twice.

[AdAstra]

So my “ears wither” all the time, when I, no, no, yes, and I hear from the zomboyaschik “faced with superior enemy forces”, when daily + 100500 manpower was destroyed in briefings, not to mention equipment.

[bayard]

Quote: Yngvar

The impression is that our generals have forgotten simple truths - intelligence and communications are the main criteria when deciding on further actions! It turns out that "not knowing the ford we climb into the water"!

And it would seem something simpler - to urgently purchase a couple of thousand light quadrocopters and 600 pieces of heavier quadrics with high-quality optics.
Ordinary - commercial, Chinese.
Right now !
And the issue of situational awareness of the grouping in / on in the near zone, at the tactical level, has been resolved.
Simple solution, elementary (!) implementation.
And a multiple reduction in losses with a sharp increase in the combat effectiveness of units.
And we have a military ... OFFICERS OF THE RF Armed Forces, at their own expense or with the money of sponsors, buy thermal imagers, optical sights, quadrocopters, RADIO STATIONS ...!
What miracles are happening there?
Well, in the LDNR this was and is, and it happens even worse, but in the RF Armed Forces ... "the strongest army in the world" ... according to propaganda ...
That's what a decent Minister of Defense should do when such sides popped up in his department?
I'm not talking about officer honor and how such a shame is washed away.
Yes, I would just buy all these quadrocopters, sights, thermal imagers, radio stations AT YOUR OWN ACCOUNT (!!) !! With the words: "My fault, sorry brothers" ...
Can you imagine this?
And what should the VGK do in such a situation?
Don't prepare for the parade!!!
And call a smart guy from his "apparatus" and send him to "fraternal China" for shopping.
On "Ruslan", damn it burnt !!!
And also at your own expense!

Not ?
Will this never happen?
The parade is more important??
I read the article and at the same time listened to the stream of Ruslan Ostashko, how they collect quadrocopters all over the world ... at radio stations ... And not only for the DPR - for specific units of the RF Armed Forces !!
I have already written about senior officials, but ... where is "domestic business" with us?
The one that ate for 30 years in three throats and pulled off offshore ... where are they?
In the Republic of Ingushetia, entire military ships were built with the money of the people and the money of wealthy citizens ... In the Second World War, labor collectives, artists and ... even pioneers collected money for planes and tanks.
So WHERE are these darlings of fate, favored by power and fate, when the Country and its Army are at war?
Did they get scared and run away?
And now they are collecting money for the needs of the enemy?

So what kind of state did this government build?
And what is the true purpose of this "special operation"?

[Osipov9391]

It's good that you bought and sent it in Donbass.
The military department of Russia does not do this.
All supplies and supplies there are a very rounded system only for "their" people and suppliers in order to disrupt the rollback.
There are many laws on these purchases.
As a result, they arrange tenders and contracts that can last for months. And they take everything more expensive 3-4 times what it costs.
And to be a supplier, you usually need to have a dozen different licenses and military acceptance.
Even if we are talking about UAVs.

Naturally, with such approaches, there can be no talk of any mobilization at all. It will take several years at best.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

Naturally, with such approaches, there can be no talk of any mobilization at all. It will take several years at best.

Yes, it began to seep through the edges that these figures - the "sovereign's husbands", have no mob at all. there was no reserve. Simply, they say, there is nothing to equip, arm and equip the mobilized ... . But it’s like teaching, training camps every year, turning around ...
After all, it is easier than a steamed turnip to solve many issues, if you really WANT TO DECIDE!
Military registration and enlistment offices are bursting with volunteers, and there ...
As a result, about 65 btg are fighting in all theaters. (intelligence data from the USA, England).
Well, fat cats stole, they made up laws that were indigestible, but corruptly sweet ... But the war is on !! Young guys are dying there! Mirnyak suffers from a protracted conflict ... For a special position, laws must be special. After all, there is where to buy what you need!

But for the authorities, the main thing is no longer war - bargaining is about captured and blocked generals (and officers) of NATO, currency zones, and business interests.
And in vain, war is a serious matter.

[Osipov9391]

I am not surprised at anything and I know by the nature of my activity more than ordinary people.
Where can we get reservists? This is a very small number of people who have signed a contract and periodically go to training camps on their own.
Maybe 30-40 thousand people, no more. On a national scale, this is nothing.
We go further. The level of training of conscripts in the 90s is low. Who dug potatoes, who practically did not master the specialty of a driver due to lack of fuel. Who ran AWOL, someone built dachas for the highest command staff.
Here. And these people today are 45-50 years old! Many, for health reasons, are already in favor or category B will be released.
We go further. The level of training of modern conscripts with a one-year service life is even lower. 6 out of 10 young people did not serve at all. Because why be surprised?

Stocks of material and technical means have long been stolen in their measure or have fallen into disrepair.
It was Serdyukov who, when he headed the Moscow Region, immediately began to arrange tenders and sales of everything. Nothing in return, of course.
As for the storage bases, 65-70% of the equipment located there has an exhausted resource and is in a stolen state. Everything of value was removed to maintain what is being operated by the troops.

All these competitions, tenders, procurement laws and licenses were mostly adopted under Serdyukov, and this vice was not canceled under Shoigu. On the contrary, it intensified. Apparently they are so accustomed not to offend themselves.
Even if we are talking about the manufacture of medals / award paraphernalia, then a competition is also arranged and the price is 3-4 times higher than the real cost. And this competition can last for months.

[bayard]

Officially, the RF Armed Forces have 2 million citizens in the prepared reserve. Even the mobilization of 20% of this number would be a boost.
But the RF Armed Forces are fighting in / on in the minority.
Already the third month.

[Osipov9391]

So 2 million citizens are probably recently retired officers, ensigns, etc. Although we cannot have so many. Probably only on paper.

[bayard]

Why only officers and ensigns?
They are just not enough for mobilization.
This is the total number of those liable for military service in the reserve - those who have served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and have a military specialty.

[Osipov9391]

So when did they get their VUS? A year, two, three years ago or 10-15 years ago?
The fact of the matter is that someone left the country, someone undermined his health, someone drank himself, someone cannot be mobilized because he is an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs / Ministry of Emergency Situations where there is an acute shortage of people, especially in the regions.
Therefore, we have a maximum of a million of them. And this is at best.

[bayard]

The figure of 2 million is official. Now it would be quite enough to raise at least 400 thousand.
And perhaps it's time to start our own territorial defense troops - for local service, so that there is something to organize the protection of industrial and strategic facilities, unloading the National Guard.

[Osipov9391]

Who will create these territorial defense troops? local authorities will never agree to this - almost all the guns have been taken away from the population.
How do the municipal chiefs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB live? Yes, their wives and children own shopping centers and other big businesses. And they are very good.
Naturally, they firmly reject all mobilization and so on.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

Who will create these territorial defense troops?

Authorized from the Ministry of Defense through the military registration and enlistment offices.
No hustle and bustle, reviewing the personal files of candidates, conducting interviews and tests. In essence, in peacetime, these will be understudies of the Russian Guard from the Ministry of Defense, and in a threatened or war period, they will become garrisons in their settlements or will be used as linear units / subdivisions.

Quote: Osipov9391

How do the municipal chiefs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB live?

Yes, they live well, but this is not their department. Territorial Defense Forces, this is the diocese of the MO.

Quote: Osipov9391

Naturally, all the mobilization and so on they

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MIA and FSB

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outright rejected.

And what is the sexual relation to the mobilization in the Moscow Region, have the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, except perhaps to ensure order at the recruiting stations?
The formation of territorial defense forces is not mobilization, it is a way to create an army reserve and ensure the protection of settlements and strategic facilities.
In the US, this role is played by the US National Guard.
Our National Guard is the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the USSR there were explosives. Those. The National Guard is not an army structure at all, but the forces for ensuring law and order and domestic stability.
The forces of the TO (STO) will become an operational reserve for the Moscow Region - a means of quickly strengthening ground forces without mobilization.
In \\ in Ukraine, by the way, this was done, and showed (let's give credit) its effectiveness.

[Osipov9391]

In our country, private security companies, federal state unitary enterprises of departments and ministries, departmental guards of Gazprom, the Ministry of Energy, Russian Railways and the like are engaged in the protection of various important objects.
Everything else is the prerogative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. It's the way we do it that they are responsible for it.

[bayard]

I'm not talking about peacetime. In peacetime, the STO will be an ordinary military garrison of a settlement with its own combat training plans.
But the military or threatened period will not be militarized, but military guards - on the outer contour. Or they will have to go to strengthen the professional army as rifle units / units.

In the United States, the National Guard is the same armed forces of territorial defense. The same army, but tied to certain territories of the country. I am in favor of such a structure.

[alexmach]

In essence, in peacetime, these will be understudies of the Russian Guard from the Moscow Region

And why exactly do the National Guard understudies then?

and in a threatened or war period, they will become garrisons in their settlements

Are these garrisons necessary? Here is the experience of Ukraine, in my opinion, shows that not very

or will be used as line units/subdivisions

This is the only useful feature in my opinion. In fact, you are discussing how to prepare a mobile reserve. So it just needs to be cooked. In a real way. Then it will be available. And to invent all sorts of new forms of organization, in my opinion, there is no point.

[bayard]

Quote: alexmach

In fact, you are discussing how to prepare a mobile reserve.

So that's the point. And all other functions are auxiliary , as needed .

Quote: alexmach

Are these garrisons necessary?

Sometimes needed. And it was in a threatened and war period. Formed from local personnel, knowing each other and commanders, to repel the attack of saboteurs, enemy landings and suddenly appeared enemy.
You can call for 2-3 months every year, alternating calls, in order to always have a certain contingent at hand. This will be a reserve that can be quickly called up, deployed and put into action.
And with a regular Army of this size you won’t win much against a serious enemy. Especially if the enemy attacks suddenly and seizes the initiative.

Quote: alexmach

And to invent all sorts of new forms of organization, in my opinion, there is no point.

Yes, the form is not new, there are examples in both Switzerland and the USA. It's just that the course of events itself showed the fallacy of the approach that has been chosen now.

[storm]

Authorized from the Ministry of Defense through the military registration and enlistment offices.

When was the last time you were in the military?
Last year I went to Vladimir, at first I thought that I had ended up in an almshouse, some civilian grandmothers were shuffling along the corridor with slippers ...
Of the military, only the retired chief is in the reserve.
And who will train reservists there?

[bayard]

Quote: assault

I thought that I ended up in an almshouse,

Quote: assault

some civilian grandmothers shuffle along the corridor with slippers ...
Of the military, only the retired chief is in the reserve.
And who will train reservists there?

So the fact of the matter is that the work of military registration and enlistment offices needs to be revived in full - as it was in the best years of our State. Maybe DOSAF makes sense to revive ... and "flight schools for working youth."
The training of reservists should, of course, not be military enlistment offices, but commanders of territorial defense units - ordinary combat officers, ordinary units in which reserve military personnel serve on rotation - 2-3 months a year, under a contract. Maintaining combat skills and qualifications. Then in the case of mob. deployment, it is possible in the shortest possible time to strengthen regular units and formations with ready-made Reserve units.
So if a full-time battalion is serving in such a reserve unit / formation on an ongoing basis, then in the shortest possible time, up to a brigade of trained (!) Reserve fighters can be formed on its base. From fighters with fresh skills and already past combat coordination.
And without such a trained reserve for our country with such a size and geography, with such a long land (!) Border and restless (often) neighbors, it will be difficult for our Regular Army to respond to challenges.
Right now - what's the challenge!?
And it turned out to be almost impossible to sharply increase the number of groups in the conflict zone.
And such an OPPORTUNITY (to sharply increase the number of trained and well-coordinated units) is OBLIGED!

Quote: assault

at first I thought that I ended up in an almshouse, some civilian grandmothers shuffle along the corridor with slippers ...

And who is the Author of such a wonderful "Military Reform"?
Here is the demand from him - "why are the grandmothers there and what can they do at the moment?".

[vl4dmoiseenko]

Yes, you are correct. I read comments and am surprised how many people understand the problems that exist and what they can become in case of difficulties. And they will definitely be .. I recently asked an employee of the National Guard whether they were being sent to a special operation? He told me no! Will you eat? And he tells me no! I don't have it in my contract

[alexmach]

Why only officers and ensigns?
They are just not enough for mobilization.

Eyewitnesses report the opposite. They are just looking for private and non-commissioned officers in the first place. Apparently there aren't enough officers.

[bayard]

Here we see where. But officers have always been quicker in this regard. The question is that the officer corps must be immediately doubled from the existing one in the RF Armed Forces.

[victor50]

Quote: bayard

That's what a decent Minister of Defense should do when such sides popped up in his department?

Build another temple.

[bayard]

Quote: victor50

Build another temple.

With military money?
That one is big green, exactly at the expense of deductions from the salaries of officers ... even if those officers were Muslims ...
The "Russian" oligarchs have now seized their assets, yachts, palaces in Europe ... they suffered ... Apparently, compensation for all these orphans is what should go to emergency defense spending.

[victor50]

Quote: bayard

The "Russian" oligarchs have now seized their assets, yachts, palaces in Europe ... they suffered ... Apparently, compensation for all these orphans is what should go to emergency defense spending.

I have long understood that there is us and there are them, including the authorities. And we are nobody for them, well, or consumers of propaganda slogans about a common home, a single country, a single misfortune.
In 99, the unit where the son served was sent to the Caucasus (a few days before Basayev's invasion of Dagestan). He sent a list of what he needed for the business trip, in short: all the equipment. I then asked if cartridges were needed, otherwise I could help. Then, during the war, a lot of things were sent by chance. I thought things had changed in 20 years...

[bayard]

Quote: victor50

I thought things had changed in 20 years...

For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a lot has really changed ... Only now the Army has become "small" (according to the statement about it in dreams - the army of the future, our Supreme High Command)
But in the Donbass, sometimes fighters and BCs bought for themselves ... Not to mention equipment. If it wasn't for the volunteers...
I looked at the Sumerian chronicle from near Kharkov from the latest events ... there is tin. Charred T-90M from enemy artillery, shock quadrocopters in the air - each with 3-4 bombs for roof-top combat of armored vehicles ... which means that in that area there was no anti-battery fight, no electronic warfare, no air support.
... And this is in the third month of the "special operation".

[victor50]

Quote: bayard

Quote: victor50

I thought things had changed in 20 years...

For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a lot has really changed ... Only now the Army has become "small" (according to the statement about it in dreams - the army of the future, our Supreme High Command)
But in the Donbass, sometimes fighters and BCs bought for themselves ... Not to mention equipment. If it wasn't for the volunteers...
I looked at the Sumerian chronicle from near Kharkov from the latest events ... there is tin. Charred T-90M from enemy artillery, shock quadrocopters in the air - each with 3-4 bombs for roof-top combat of armored vehicles ... which means that in that area there was no anti-battery fight, no electronic warfare, no air support.
... And this is in the third month of the "special operation".

It hurts and offends.

[bayard]

For the Russian Federation, this war is like a Finnish company for the USSR, when so many jambs popped up ... But many managed to eliminate them by the summer of 1941. Will they be able to fix anything now?
At least with the same UAVs and quadrics, which are easier to buy in China in commercial quantities. Though household, if only more - in sufficient quantity. And it's getting a lot easier.
And how long can you fight with a "limited contingent" against a mobilized strong enemy, whom the entire NATO bloc is helping?
Does the General Staff have a vision for the continuation and development of this "special operation"?
And what kind of forces are planned to be involved for this?

[Vladimir Michailovich]

Stop lying about the USSR. The capitalist Russian Federation is not the USSR. In military-technical terms, the spacecraft outnumbered the Finns many times over. And the author writes about the technical total backlog of the Russian Federation.

[storm]

I thought things had changed in 20 years...

The late Minister of Defense "Pasha - Mercedes", a specialist in storming cities with one regiment of the Airborne Forces, was going to increase the size of the army to 600 thousand people, the Strategic Missile Forces + 10 airborne divisions ...
It seems that according to his "precepts" everything is being done.
If, with a staff strength of 900 thousand people in the troops, the understaff is 20-30%, the same 600 thousand are obtained.

[Konnick]

And for the mass production of modern means of communication and intelligence, a powerful and high-tech economy is needed. Do we have one?

Not so simple....
Analyzing the beginning of the Second World War, our marshals, in their defense, wrote that one of the reasons for the failures of the summer of 41st was the lack of communications, they described how they sent communications officers with paper orders to the troops, that there were not enough communications. But there was another reason, our generals did not want to use radio communications, they preferred wired communications, they were simply afraid to find themselves. The Germans actively took direction finding radio stations and aimed aircraft at them. Although it was possible to organize communication properly, but usually they did not strive for this, it was easier to simply retreat without receiving orders ....
Before mass production, it is necessary to mass-develop means of communication. APU uses Motorola, and what about us? Where do we have a development institute that can develop modern means of communication from the existing capabilities of the industry. This is a systemic problem ... every day, driving to work, I see how the NIIDAR building on Prebrazhenka in Moscow is being demolished for residential development ...

[Torins]

.it was easier to just retreat, and not follow orders.

Where did you read such heresy? Just no words...

[Konnick]

Just no words...

And between the lines it was written...
Archive MO, ZhBD.

after the headquarters of the 11th army came out of the encirclement and we met with the chief of communications of the army, lieutenant colonel Mednikov, the true reason for the termination of communications was clarified. It turned out that the radio station was intact, the army headquarters was not captured, the ciphers were indeed signed by General Morozov. The reason for the termination of communication was an open conversation on the radio of the corps commissar Dibrova. When it was reported to the headquarters that Dibrova was openly summoning a member of the military council of the army for negotiations, they, in turn, came to the conclusion that the headquarters and the military council of the front were captured, and the Germans, using front-line communications with the army, were trying to conduct provocative conversations. Therefore, the order for radio silence was given.

So excessive vigilance, on the one hand, and the inability to use the radio, on the other, led to the termination of communication at a time when there was an urgent need for it, and the technical possibility of its implementation was real ...

[Non-fighter]

Not only direction finding. The connection was in clear text, both in voice and in Morse code. The first cryptographer is in the battalion-regiment or regiment-division link. Everything below is, firstly, a wiretapping, and secondly, a FALSELY GIVEN ORDER, for the implementation of which you can get under the tribunal. Considering the quality of communication and the presence "on the other side" of 100% Russians from emigrants, the situation is quite real :(

[Antonina Ignatenko]

At the beginning of the Second World War, they did not use communications, because there was no encryption school of their own. But then other people led the country, they immediately began to solve the problem, and by the end of 1941 the situation with communications had improved. In our country today, any order from above falls into the administrative swamp, like a boulder into a village toilet. The absence of any responsibility for more than twenty years has made this horde completely unruly and unproductive.

[KLV]

That is, until 2000, there was responsibility, everything was manageable and productive? In "holy years"? And everything began to crumble after 2000?

[Ka-52]

In the meantime, the same drones are produced in single copies

Are 1500 thousand complexes single? I’m wondering, is there some kind of flash mob going on here for people who live in their own fictional world and write nonsense about the absence of UAVs in the RF Armed Forces? Let me give you an example: in the entire army of Germany, Great Britain and France, taken together, there are only about 700 tactical-level UAVs of the Spy'Ranger type (a variant of our Orlan). We have 1500. So where are the "single copies"? The question also applies to minusers - do not hide cowardly, enter into a dialogue if you consider yourself right

[Tired]

Firstly, there are really only a few combat UAVs: The same Orions are only 12 units. Therefore, after the loss of several units last month, the mention of the combat use of UAVs has become infrequent and is kept thanks to Cubas.
Secondly, the situation is better for reconnaissance UAVs, but, from 1000 to 1500 for all the Russian Armed Forces, this is the estimated maximum. How many of them in reality is unknown, but as a fact - every fundraising for the needs of the LDNR invariably mentions an acute shortage of drones. Moreover, people loyal to the authorities, writing from the front lines like the Elder Edda, have also repeatedly noted the urgent need for reconnaissance drones. And the constant mention of ambushes, even on TV, confirms the general disappointing conclusion about equipping our troops with reconnaissance drones.
Thirdly, you do not take into account that all sorts of UAVs need maintenance and repair. Not to mention the banal losses. So, if you think that once 1000 units are produced, then everyone flies and performs their tasks, then this is not so.
Finally, deliveries of drones to Ukraine come not only from Europe, but also from Turkey and the United States.

[Ka-52]

[Quote]Firstly, there are really only a few combat UAVs:[/ Quote]
wake up already. Since when did the Orlan UAV become non-combat? UAV purchased by the Ministry of Defense in the interests of providing intelligence, and which is in service with the units of the Russian army, do you consider this not combat? What else would you like to talk about then?
[Quote]How many are actually unknown[/ Quote]
it is not known, but nevertheless you are shedding crocodile tears here that they say there are practically none in the troops. Are you by any chance a journalist? They don't know anything, but they are sure of everything
[Quote]every fundraiser for the needs of the LDNR invariably mentions an acute shortage of drones[/ Quote]
you famously flew from discussing the pressing problems of the Russian army to the problems of the LDNR army. Maybe you will come to one thing in your head and even then start commenting?
[quote] [quote]And the constant mention of ambushes, even on TV,[/ Quote]
that is, based on your TV shows about ambushes, I should draw some conclusions about the conditions under which and with what weapons military operations are being conducted?
[Quote]Thirdly, you do not take into account that all sorts of UAVs need maintenance and repair. Not to mention the banal losses. So, if you think that once 1000 units are produced, then everyone flies and performs their tasks, then this is not so.[/ Quote]
this is not what I think. This is the number of UAVs of this particular model received by the troops for 2021. If this is not the case, then provide your data - how many of them do not fly and for what reasons. I don't need to grind here with my tongue in vain.
[Quote]Finally, deliveries of drones to Ukraine come not only from Europe, but also from Turkey and the United States.[/ Quote]
how much exactly? Again verbal husk? For 2021, Ukraine has purchased a total of 12 Bayraktar TB2 complexes. Another 6 have been delivered this year. The US has delivered (according to unconfirmed reports) only 200 kamikaze drones. All

[Tired]

Grenades can be hung on many reconnaissance UAVs, this will not transfer them to the level of Bayraktorv with Orions.
The lack of reconnaissance UAVs, and in general the problem with the frequent use of people instead of drones, is reported by people from the field.
And who do you think supplies the LDNR?
There are also a decent amount of videos on the Internet. So the TV just does not try to argue with the obvious.
And that is why, according to the Ministry of Defense, 742 UAVs of Ukraine have already been destroyed?

[Ka-52]

Grenades can be hung on many reconnaissance UAVs, this will not transfer them to the level of Bayraktorv with Orions.

and what? why do it?

The lack of reconnaissance UAVs, and in general the problem with the frequent use of people instead of drones, is reported by people from the field.

what "people from places"? For example?

And who do you think supplies the LDNR?

Yes, it doesn’t matter who supplies the LDNR Armed Forces. They are not a structure integrated into the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and are not on the technical allowance of our Defense Ministry. Do not pick out from the nose what is not the essence of the issue under discussion.

There are also a decent amount of videos on the Internet. So the TV just does not try to argue with the obvious.

for the hard-to-learn, I’ll tell you a story: in 2017, an American convoy was ambushed in the province of Nangahar (in Afghanistan), 3 US soldiers were killed, 5 were injured. I remind you that the US Air Force has the world's largest fleet of combat UAVs. Conclusion: the presence of a UAV does not guarantee not getting into ambushes.

ps so I didn’t hear an answer - 1500 UAVs of only one type in the RF Armed Forces are these "single copies" or not? And then you somehow modestly moved out of the answer, starting to invent all sorts of excuses like "yes, they don't all fly", "yes, the TV told me that all this is not so" ....

[Tired]

In fact, it's you who "moved out" from the topic. The article notes problems with operational communications and intelligence on the example of a specific clash. This problem really exists. And the problem is part of a larger systemic problem. Indeed, this affects the LDNR more than the troops of the Russian Federation. Which already makes us wonder about the supply of the People's Militia, but surprises happen to ours, and very often.

[Ka-52]

In fact, it's you who "moved out" from the topic.

we discussed your statement about "single UAVs" in the RF Armed Forces. Where did I go? I'm still waiting for an answer. And judging by your wagging, I won't get it. Not even surprised.

The article notes problems with operational communications and intelligence on the example of a specific clash.

which one exactly? With an ambush in the village? And why did you decide (like the author) that a Russian column was ambushed? By checkboxes?

Indeed, this affects the LDNR more than the troops of the Russian Federation

no need to write bullshit. Almost everything is missing in Republican armies. I personally helped with the purchase of Ratnik equipment for familiar soldiers of the DPR army. And this does not mean that the same thing is happening in our troops. You hear a ringing, but you don't know where it is

[Tired]

And the answer has already been given - there are really only a few strike drones,
And that's where your speculation begins.
And do you think that the future republics of Russia should be equipped by volunteers and not by Russia? Are you serious?

[Volkof]

I will reconcile you, read my comments, and quickly while they are ...

[Ka-52]

And the answer has already been given - there are really only a few strike drones,

Tell me, little respected, how do you come up with such a lie? Once again I ask - where did you get the data on the number of UAVs? How much specifically according to YOUR data is the UAV in service with the units of the Russian Federation? I see you are from the category of people who scratch their tongues like they wave a broom, while not citing a single piece of evidence. Will there be arguments, Alexander Bacharov, or will you remain liars as you were?

[aesculapius]

If there is nothing in the Republican army, then why are they trying to fight? This is a typical use of cannon material for the purpose of spending it, and that's it - there can be no question of any success, this is Chechnya number and Syria number 2

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Ka-52

no need to write bullshit.

Windbag. The problem is well known locally. And like 10 years. And only people like you are oppressing "since the authorities did nothing, it means it is unnecessary .."

[Volkof]

Read below, which places?

[Ka-52]

What's the problem, rattling pea? The fact that in the Republican armies there is really no equipment? So take your pimply ass in a handful and drag it to the recruiting station in Donetsk. That's when they equip you there according to the latest military fashion of the 70s, then you will tear your throat that I'm wrong.

[Volkof]

And why are UAVs needed, how are they used? And how should they be applied? How many do you need and which ones? This also applies to other weapons and other means !!!. To answer this question, you need to know the accepted concept of modern combined arms combat. But this concept is NOT ... The Russian army does not know how, is not prepared to conduct a modern combined arms battle. Although everything seems to be there for this !!! And who is to blame for this? And here the UAV and much more? NO concept of modern combined arms combat... All the claims and requirements for the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia ... Let them give birth to at least some, because it simply does not exist ... There in this shit, someone knows how to think?

[Ka-52]

as I see you have the concept of combined arms combat. Any sofa expert has these concepts like a fool with shag. On the couch, you all would have won a long time ago, but that would interfere - the sofa is painfully soft and warm, does not let go.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

"Do not hide cowardly, enter into a dialogue" Did you read the article at all? They explained to you there in good Russian that those UAVs that are in service with our troops are not equipped with either thermal imagers or devices for difficult weather conditions. At the same time, they are all old, there are not enough components for them. And I’ll add on my own: “1 thousand sets” (did you mean 500 thousand?) - this is on paper. Why research institutes and warehouses are burning, you didn't wonder? My boss at the unfortunate Institute of Philosophy concluded contracts for the publication of 1,5 copies of books, and no one has ever seen more than 300. I shared the difference from production with the publisher, each came out with 90 thousand. Do you think that no one cheats on military orders?

[Ka-52]

They explained to you there in good Russian that those UAVs that are in service with our troops are not equipped with either thermal imagers or devices for difficult weather conditions. At the same time, they are all old, there are not enough components for them.

before you do this baltalogy, at least open the performance characteristics of Orlan-10. You will see that an IR camera is installed on it. The network is full of videos of filming from Orlan for adjustments at night. As for devices for SMU, can you even imagine what is it? Lord, do philosophy and don’t bother commenting on what you don’t understand

[Ka-52]

what called your writings about the performance characteristics of Orlan nonsense is Putin's support? Mdaaaa ..... you made a public mistake, a little respected specialist with an incomplete philosophical education. Probably Putin is preventing you from opening your eyes and seeing the presence of an IR camera on this UAV

[Ka-52]

let's have more minuses, more maybe from them the IR camera on Orlan will resolve and the fighter with Putin and part-time philosopher in the 3rd generation ̶X̶o̶m̶a̶ ̶B̶r̶u̶t̶ oh what a wonderful public this topvar is, what a thinking and objective signature is here, beauty

[d4rkmesa]

Well, it's not. In "Orlan" I have an opportunity installation of a thermal imager, as well as a gyro-stabilized platform, and a specialized oes, but in reality there is basically only an unfortunate amateur photographer Canon 5d. It is enough to take a closer look at the videos from MO.

[Ka-52]

only a fool can judge by the videos on the network about the equipment installed on the aircraft. Ok, tell me, "expert", what the TOES-520 on the Ka-52 consists of. Judging by the videos on the network, it uses a camera from Haomi of the first releases.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Ka-52

Let me give you an example: in the entire army of Germany, Great Britain and France, taken together, there are only about 700 tactical-level UAVs of the Spy'Ranger type (a variant of our Orlan). We have 1500. So where are the "single copies"?

Tell us about the Coalition SV self-propelled guns: how many of them were produced and where they are used ... But don’t you want to tell us about the Su-57? About the thunderstorm of aircraft carriers, what lies at the bottom of the Black Sea?
Yes ... Our world is completely different ... It does not give "Heroes" by closed decrees ... If anything - right in the face ...

[Ka-52]

Dear, you will also start discussing your mother-in-law's pancakes. It seems that what does pancakes have to do with it? .... But what does the Coalition have to do with the discussion of UAVs? Or did you again drink low-quality alcohol and confuse a self-propelled 152mm howitzer with an Orlan with a nevmenos? Howitzers don't fly, Yuri Vasilyevich, how are you? When will you learn to discuss what is the subject of discussion, and not drag everything into a heap, like a bazaar woman?

[AdAstra]

It would be better if they treated the soldier as a valuable property that needs to be protected, otherwise I doubt something that "dzhamshuts, ogly, etc." to whom our state so generously distributes citizenship will, as citizens, participate in the so-called svo.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Everything is correct, only this is the tip of the iceberg. The RF Armed Forces were not preparing (this is confirmed by the exercises and past conflicts) for such a confrontation, hence the whole concept of conducting large-scale hostilities, with a well-motivated and armed enemy, plus the problems of sanctions and information warfare, only, only there are some signs of the formation of one single "line"

[Volkof]

The naive conclusions of Maxim Klimov are simply touching! Kindergarten and more! Tired, we have everything, except for the brains of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, and above all, of his boss, "a scientist and a great reformer" .... What can we talk about, in general, if no concept of modern combined arms combat , they are fighting with the methods of the 2nd World War ... Buy and bring millions of UAVs, the result will be the same ...Let this genius and his General Staff give birth to the concept of modern combat first, the birth of these idiots has dragged on for 20 years already...

[Puzoter]

Hardly a matter of economics. We have microcircuit and microprocessor technologies, we have specialists and we have capacities. What is the problem with making a drone is not at all clear. That ICE cannot produce is just some kind of game. We have been producing analogues of Rotax for decades, enthusiasts in garages design engines for every taste of any size. Well, I still believe that it’s not so easy with micromechanics and thermal imagers, although it’s not in the subject, to be honest. Even schoolchildren are now making a model of an aircraft with camera control - hang it on such a grenade and you will get a ready-made loitering ammunition - destroy artillery in a building. It seems to me that the matter is in a wild, simply wildest mess and irresponsibility.

[d4rkmesa]

I think it's partly in the cumbersome procurement procedures, keeping records according to the Federal Law, the state defense order itself, all these pandemoniums around and around. We need a mechanism so that developers can create dangerous "products" without nightmares from all oversight and inspectors, with the fastest possible transfer to fighters for testing. No paperwork required. And then no matter how the state defense order, so licenses, fines, courts. And it’s easier for Rostec to cut money for a dozen R&D projects in 15 years without putting into service another mythical heavy UAV.

[Zoer]

Excuse me, but what do you have to do with technology and production?
Well, here I am a designer, BNC (basic load-bearing structures) of telecom equipment. I have not been able to perforate an aluminum profile with an accuracy of + - 0,1 mm over a length of 430 mm for almost a year. And this is not super tax-free, this is import substitution. Moreover, orders were made throughout the Russian Federation, the loot for the onast was paid for. Result 0.
For reference, in China it will be done in a week.
Will there be any questions?
PS: where was the last time you saw a schoolboy simulating a flying plane? Are you writing from Israel?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zoer

I have not been able to perforate an aluminum profile with an accuracy of + - 0,1 mm over a length of 430 mm for almost a year.

Why such precision? What is the diameter and number of holes?

[Zoer]

Accuracy, so that the blocks in the connector get on the backplane in the counterpart. And these are not hard limits.

[Mordvin 3]

What about the second part of the question? I just have a sporting interest, if I could drill it all by hand. And if you need a lot of profile, then you would have to make a steel conductor. I just can't believe that throughout Russia no one could make holes in this crap, less than half a meter.

[Zoer]

Hmm... Rectangle holes, 3x5 mm, step along the side 3mm - 5 mm, holes along the entire length of the part 430 mm. Need a stamp. Or for punching all the holes at once, which makes the price of the stamp cosmic, and it is advisable for millions of copies, which, of course, is not in sight. Either a stamp with at least 5 holes, and an accurate feed mechanism for the next stamp blow. Or snap-in under the coordinate punch. But... Alas and ah. While zero.

[haron]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Why such precision? What is the diameter and number of holes?

Then, so that the finished "object" would not look like a "huge clumsy barrel" that can be seen for tens of kilometers.
Of course, I generalize, but the size of the microcircuits, the density of their "packing", resistance to temperatures and radiation directly depend, for example, on the purity of the grown crystal, its structure. Well, it turns out that modern Russian technologies cannot fit all the algorithms into the framework .... for example, a front-line bomber. A bunch of technologies and industries remained in Ukraine, and now they are not at all eager to share even Soviet technologies with you. But they still had something alive, and until the last day it was delivered to the Russian Federation.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: haron

Then, so that the finished "object" would not look like a "huge clumsy barrel" that can be seen for tens of kilometers.

Yes, I just drilled more than tens of thousands of holes in my work, so I'm wondering. And how will I understand if he does not explain what he specifically needs. Maybe there is only one drilling machine needed, not gouged, of course. In the USSR, desktop machines, the size of a photo enlarger, for drilling boards with a hole diameter of up to 6 mm, were sold in an ordinary electrical goods store for only 29 rubles. I still regret not buying it.

[Puzoter]

They do not do it because there are no such orders and therefore there is no appropriate equipment. What do you compare with China, in which all world production is concentrated and equipment for any task. If the state really wanted to have such equipment, it would have it. As for airplanes, I made them myself 10 years ago. Open YouTube in the end, find the Rogue who made the drone even on hydrogen cells, go to rcdesign.ru and don't ask stupid questions, especially since you are an engineer.

[Zoer]

That's right. If the state wanted to... But it wanted yachts and palaces and Chelsea FC. And now our boys are killing their boys. And they themselves die. And all just because they only cared about lining the pockets of the elites. And in the General Staff there are only dolts. Obviously, NWO is a protracted war, with incomprehensible goals and dubious results. And the GDP somehow disappeared from the media space.
About drones on hydrogen eggs, super. But where is the saturation of the troops with all this? The shortage is complete, even intelligence ones. I am generally silent about reconnaissance drums. Have you heard about thermal imagers, high-resolution cameras? How many GLONASS / GPS chips do we make for gadgets, and how many matrices for cameras? Where is all this in the troops?
Volunteers buy Chinese copters and send them to our fighters.
Ooh, win.

[Puzoter]

And I say - a mess and irresponsibility. Although I absolutely disagree about the General Staff - it works perfectly. The troops were withdrawn from Kyiv, because they wanted to let the secret military take power into their own hands, with our support, and thus resolve the issue with little bloodshed. But either the military men pissed, or they were taken by the balls there, in any case, it didn’t work out. But there was a chance and it had to be used. When it didn't work out, Plan B came into effect.

[Jager]

A model of an airplane with camera control is now even made by schoolchildren

I once went to a well-known electronics and radio parts store. So there the basic set for a schoolboy with a small robot a la "introduction to robotics for the smallest" cost HALF of my salary as an engineer. And this is essentially a useless trinket with a couple of functions. In order to actually TEACH such modeling, one must have income in foreign currency.
Alas, capitalism.

[Puzoter]

Well, you found where to look at prices. For everything related to a hobby, commerce raises prices. On Ali, all these things are several times cheaper, and that's not the point - as they say, there would be a desire. I think it's a shop. EVERYTHING there is not exorbitant, but ten times.

[Puzoter]

Here, I accidentally stumbled - a drone from Mr. and sticks with a control range of 10 km on the camera. Poor Ukraine by the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNb0mSTQHk Certainly not bayraktar, but more than enough for reconnaissance

[Lech from Android.]

The NWO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.
Now it has become more clear what exactly the fighters and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.
I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.
There was a message that the production of our Baikal processors had stalled due to the dirty tricks of the British.
Which was generally expected.

[odometer]

Hmm ... Even if you spit in your eyes, everything is God's dew ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Lech from Android.

CBO topics and is good which clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.

What a positive person you are!!
And the fact that you have to pay with your lives for this goodness does not bother you?

Urgent issues before the operation need to be addressed, and not at the time when the rooster pecks.

[carstorm 11]

It only sounds beautiful, but in the reality of any war, this always happens. It's not about pressing issues. It's about how they react to it. And we are always very slow. And not only today or in 2008. It was like that at 41. It was like that at 79, and so on. Now it is worth noting the fact that everything happens much faster because of the CBO. Like UAVs. Now there will be no centralized order for them, and everyone will choose for themselves and their requirements. What was said a few days ago. This makes me happy .
The management of the UAV construction and development department under the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces will be entrusted to other persons.

In addition, now the command of each type and type of troops can independently approve and approve the range of UAVs that must be supplied to the troops within the framework of the State Defense Order. And this is a very important step: they are moving away from the system of hyper-centralization in matters of supplying UAVs.

[your1970]

Quote: carstorm 11

this is a very important step: they are moving away from the system of hyper-centralization in matters of supplying UAVs.

And the batteries of infantry drones will not fit the drones of the Aerospace Forces or tankers. A masterpiece ....

[carstorm 11]

This issue is easily solved at the stage of creation. And why should the VKS allow tactical drones? And the infantry needs them by the thousands. In general, I think tanks should be equipped with them regularly. And while everyone will be hammering the doors with their needs and wasting time, this way will reduce everything. Of course, nothing is happening with us and there will be other troubles, but this decision is very important and necessary.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: your1970

And the batteries of infantry drones will not fit the drones of the Aerospace Forces or tankers. A masterpiece ....

The solution to this problem is known: a single standard for aircraft. That is, the types and types of troops can order UAVs "for themselves", but at the same time, the components of these UAVs must comply with a single standard: data exchange standard, power supply standard, etc.

[UAZ 452]

This single standard will be developed, discussed, approved for years and decades, generously spending budget money for nowhere (and a little bit in your own pocket). And it will be so, because of personal ambitions, lobbying, bias and corruption of the owners of wide stripes, I generally keep quiet about the representatives of the military-industrial complex - they are supposed to try to rake in budget allocations for their enterprise.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: UAZ 452

This single standard will be developed, discussed, approved for years and decades, generously spending budget money for nowhere (and a little bit in your own pocket).

Otherwise, we'll get something like this:

Photo of the working process of long winter evenings from among those allowed for publication. In one photo - almost the entire range of wearable batteries for recharging radio stations on the front line, used by 14 Prizrak armored personnel carriers. Most of them are "Suaoki" portable batteries of various sizes, sent by KTsPN, in the background - a venerable "old man", a Debaltsevo trophy, a Soviet nickel-cadmium 10NKP-8.

© Murz

[UAZ 452]

Yes, this is the other extreme. In terms of accelerating the development of standards, I can only recall the experience of the Roman Catholic Church. When another pope dies, the conclave of cardinals gathered to elect a new conclave is locked in a room, and they cannot leave until they choose a pope. And if the debate drags on, they stop bringing food there.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: UAZ 452

In terms of accelerating the development of standards, I can only recall the experience of the Roman Catholic Church. When another pope dies, the conclave of cardinals gathered to elect a new conclave is locked in a room, and they cannot leave until they choose a pope.

Too long. It is better to rely on domestic standards for emergency resolution of controversial technical issues:

In 1952, Beria had to consider and approve the next schedule related to the construction of the famous air defense ring around Moscow. The assistant reported to him that the two chief designers did not approve the schedule. They can not agree on the distribution of responsibility and work among themselves. The assistant asked Lavrenty Pavlovich to listen to them.
“Tell them,” said Beria, “that if two communists cannot agree among themselves, then one of them is an enemy.” I don't have time to figure out which of the two of them is really the enemy. Give them another day to agree.
The assistant left, five minutes later he returned to the office and placed before Beria a schedule signed by both chiefs.

© B. Chertok

[UAZ 452]

Well, when you need to resolve the issue in 5 minutes - then such a method, if it is possible to wait a day or two, then it is possible, like with Catholics, humanely.

[Rusticolus]

We would like to send such a "Beria" to customs now. But the main question is not that there is no Beria. The question is that there is no one who will give him such powers.

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: your1970

And the batteries of infantry drones will not fit the drones of the Aerospace Forces or tankers. A masterpiece ....

The solution to this problem is known: a single standard for aircraft. That is, the types and types of troops can order UAVs "for themselves", but at the same time, the components of these UAVs must comply with a single standard: data exchange standard, power supply standard, etc.

If the same standard All components - then it makes sense to separately order the military branches for yourself something separately - NO.
And this again common conditional "Kalashnikov" for all.... Hyper-centralization in its purest form .....

Quote: carstorm 11

systems of hyper-centralization in matters of supplying UAVs depart

[Alexey RA]

Quote: your1970

If there is a single standard for ALL components, then there is NO point in separately ordering military branches for yourself something separately.

Then at least a single standard for the physical connection of components and data exchange is an analogue of an open architecture. As in a recent article about JDAM-based homing UAB: you can install different models of seeker from different manufacturers - depending on the tasks and budget.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: your1970

And the batteries of infantry drones will not fit the drones of the Aerospace Forces or tankers. A masterpiece ....

By the way, on the issue of batteries for UAVs ...

... the problem of our other neighbors on the front, not those who brought a defective sight. They have a fucking-expensive-fancy-cool Russian drone. Not like our toy Mavics, yes. To which the fucking drone has already three regular lithium batteries, only none of them work normally anymore - they are all extremely worn out. Therefore, as I already wrote, everyone fights on Maviks.
Here is one of those batteries. I smeared all the nameplates pasted on it in Russian, they are probably secret. I left only the date of manufacture.

The presence of an English-language marking on the heat shrink of a kagbe battery tells us about the state of import substitution in the production of these batteries as of October 2019. The battery is not just welded from twenty imported 18650 lithium cells. It is not welded in Russia. What to do with it? With the fact that in April 2022 the Russian UAV cannot work normally at the front due to the fact that its batteries, which were not manufactured in Russia in 2019, are already worn out? I don't know what the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation and other officials will do about this. I know what I did.
I asked akela2017 if I could get a small amount of money from the KCPN funds to quickly, here, on the spot in the LPR, purchase lithium batteries, from which two new batteries for this UAV will be welded as soon as possible. Sasha answered in the affirmative, we cashed out some money here with a 5% commission and went and bought the required number of 18650 batteries. Or rather, a little more, in case some kind of marriage pops up or jambs are made during assembly, fixable only by replacing the skewed elements.
(...)
The problem is that there is no replenishment of these batteries as they wear out, just as there is no provision for maintenance and replacement at the expiration date of the long-term storage nickel-metal hydride batteries in that scope. And the device into which this green battery is inserted does not work. And the plane, in which the blue battery is inserted, does not fly.

© of course slanderer and slander Murz

[Ka-52]

The problem is that replenishing these batteries as they wear out is missing in the same way

when the charge program is maintained (achieved by conventional smart charging), lithium batteries easily run from 2 to 3 years.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ka-52

when the charge program is maintained (achieved by conventional smart charging), lithium batteries easily run from 2 to 3 years.

So there is no problem with the service life - the UAV battery was released in 2019, so it lasted for two years.
The problem is that it is impossible to get new batteries to replace regular ones that have expired normally - and instead of simply replacing the old battery with a new one, the repair service has to spend time and effort re-equipping a dead battery with new cells.

I repeat. As in the case of batteries on the scope the problem is not that all these batteries are initially somehow badly made from something bad. No. With a very high probability, within the specified warranty periods within the framework specified by the manufacturers, they are quite ok.

The problem is that there is no replenishment of these batteries as they wear out. just as there are no maintenance and expiration measures for the long-term storage nickel-metal hydride batteries in that scope. And the device into which this green battery is inserted does not work. And the plane, in which the blue battery is inserted, does not fly.

[Ka-52]

a new battery costs space - from 50tyr and above. If soldered from 18650 barrels, it may come out cheaper, but I don’t think much. For those who know how to work with a soldering iron - work for an hour.

[Goto]

18650 batteries cost Rs. 10700 pieces. If you buy through Alibaba, then it's probably even cheaper. Well, another charger + 60-1000. And the BMS board is another 1500.
total 10700 + 1500 + 1000 = 13200. Probably also calculate the heat shrinkage and the work of not a soldering iron, but a welding machine. I think 15 thousand. you can meet. Where else 35000r.

[strannik1985]

But Murz wrote about this in his report - all sorts of consumables have to be chipped off from monetary allowances, and this is not about ordinary or junior command staff.
https://kcpn.info/report/
The situation does not fit into the statutory framework (the platoon / company / battalion defense front is much larger than that provided for by the charter) - you need to purchase a telephone cable, periscopes - substitutes for TR-4 / TR-8, holes, communications, repeaters, batteries and much more.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ka-52

a new battery costs space - from 50tyr and above. If soldered from 18650 barrels, it may come out cheaper, but I don’t think much. For those who know how to work with a soldering iron - work for an hour.

In the presence of elements - yes, no question. But the problem is that the regulars (and judging by the presence of a military UAV in Murza's "neighbors" - these are precisely the regulars) do not receive any of this through regular supply channels. There are no complete zero batteries, no elements for re-equipping old ones.
Murza had to turn to repair the UAV battery to the public - to the Novorossia Assistance Coordination Center, so that they allocate funds for the purchase of elements in commercial structures. And where do regular army servicemen go? What money can the army team use to buy what they need on the side, and why should the troops in the field be staffed at their own expense in general?

[Dikson]

Sorry to interrupt, but no .. about the term of work - it’s like you are talking about a spherical horse in Vacuum .. Mavik operated for three years .. at sea. Batteries after two months of daily intense flights swell to indecent sizes and lose capacity .. Or not capacity .. in general, I just drowned one don because of this - when the charge level drops to 25%, the battery rapidly discharges to zero .. and the quadcopter falls stone of course.

[Rusticolus]

and the quadrocopter falls like a stone of course ..

It's a shame, of course. But the battery is not only its capacitive cells. Your case for 90% is a dead control module, humidity, salt, electronics do not like this very much. The battery cannot be discharged instantly. This is banal physics. But the control module can suddenly suddenly decide "and that's enough, they flew off!"

[Dikson]

You are right .. it's not quite instantaneous, in 10 seconds .. But during this time it will not always be possible to return the device to the ground .. - a couple of times I managed to "reach the shore" at low level, where it flopped into the sand .. but this is when you fly three or four hundred meters from the starting point .. and from one and a half to two kilometers, and from a height of 500 meters - you won’t have time to do a damn thing .. (((I just set myself an automatic signal to return to the base with a balance of 30% of the charge, and when triggered - "sport mode, speed to maximum, and. - home home ..

[d4rkmesa]

Well, I would not start to rejoice early. As usual, we have a step forward - a little back. The legislation on the state defense order is very cumbersome, procurement procedures ...

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Stas157

Urgent issues before the operation need to be addressed, and not at the time when the rooster pecks.

There has never been a perfect military operation anywhere.
War always makes its own adjustments.
After SVO there will be a detailed analysis of ongoing events.

[timokhin-aa]

But nothing that before the SVO was very clear? Just no one wanted to move and change something?

[Ka-52]

But nothing that before the SVO was very clear? Just no one wanted to move and change something?

ask any officer from the regiment commander and above - he wants to change something and you will get the answer "God forbid!". And the higher the rank, the more sincere it is said.

[EvilLion]

Yes, yes, everyone understood everything, except for the generals. As always in general. But for some reason they still drive the car to the professionals for service, and go to the doctors for treatment.

[KLV]

I will support. You are minus those who do not see beyond their own, but watch a hundred times further than the generals' noses. And they violently tear the vests on their chests, only not on their own, but on strangers.

Gentlemen of the miners, do you even know the history of the wars of mankind? Have you heard about human psychology, which has not changed over the millennia? That everything develops in an upward spiral? Have you ever heard of Da Vinci's phrase "The only criterion of truth is experience"?

Lech, hold on! VO has turned into a battlefield where heavy massive sofas, light couches, elegant sofas, grandmother's chests are fighting. I'm already tired of arguing, it's useless. They will peck.

[Alf]

Quote: Lech from Android.

After SVO there will be a detailed analysis of ongoing events.

It will be, it will definitely be. But whether concrete steps will be taken to correct the identified shortcomings, this is a great secret ...

[hagen]

Quote: Stas157

And the fact that you have to pay with your lives for this goodness does not bother you?

And when and from whom in this world was it possible to gain combat experience without bloodshed? Maybe the US in Vietnam? Or the USSR in Finland or, which is closer, in Afghanistan? Remember who first entered the DRA, and what happened to them? And at first, "partisans" from the TurkVO, called up from the reserve, went there, showing a complete inability for military operations. You may not be aware, but in fact in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff in 1980 there was a serious panic about the readiness of the means and forces used in the first stages of the actions of the forces being introduced. During the year, the program of combat training in the Dry Troops was revised up to the universities of the SV inclusive, the technical specifications and general requirements for the produced materiel were changed. Unfortunately, our ideas about the expected counteraction of the enemy, equipped with more or less technically equivalent weapons, are not entirely correct, and we have to “finish” them already in the course of hostilities. It was so, so it is and so it will be, no matter how someone fidgets on his combat couch, which is far from practical work.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

During the year, the program of combat training in the Dry Troops was revised up to the universities of the SV, inclusive, the technical specifications and general requirements for the produced materiel were changed.

That's right: the program of military education was rebuilt in a year. At the beginning of the Second World War, they solved the problem of trained radio coders in six months and equipped the troops with them, eliminating the communication gap. This is on the scale of the Union! The system worked like clockwork. Who will do it today? Those who downloaded Linux, called it Aurora and pocketed four lards? Or the one who falsified geological exploration data in order to receive a state order for laying the Power of Siberia from an empty field?

[hagen]

Quote: Antonina Ignatenko

Who will do it today?

No need to worry, there are experts. Do not think that the entire population of the country are swindlers. By the way, about the "Power of Siberia" can you give a notice on the public procurement website? Or are you just dumping here any obscenity from unidentified resources?

[Antonina Ignatenko]

Not the entire population of the country is crooks, but everyone who sits on government orders is mega-thieves. In public procurement, what do you expect to see in terms of the Power of Siberia? Sincere? They have already shifted the blame for inadequate exploration onto some contractor. Well, they made a mistake, fools, but we did not know that there was no gas in the Chayandinskoye field! For some reason, the Chinese immediately found out and quickly withdrew from the project, refused to co-finance it, and Putin's, who cut down a trillion on its lining, did not know and did not know.

[hagen]

Quote: Antonina Ignatenko

In public procurement, what do you expect to see in terms of the Power of Siberia? Sincere?

I would like to see how much you are in the subject ... But you do not seem to be very ...

[Ka-52]

how not so much? There is a whole unfinished faculty of philosophy in the bosom. Antonina can beat you with the imperatives of Immanuel Kant

[hagen]

Quote: Ka-52

There is a whole unfinished faculty of philosophy in the bosom.

This "non-philosopher" obviously does not understand that Gazprom is a commercial organization that chooses its contractors not through public procurement. Therefore, the state order has nothing to do with it. The problems of the Chayandinskoye field are the problems of Gazprom, and it somehow solves them, i.e. the launch and planned increase in volumes in "Force ...." does not cause claims from the buyer. I don't think it's right to poke your incompetent nose into the affairs of two commercial structures. Moreover, no one knows the details, but they are deliberately terrifying the Internet for market reasons, hoping to reduce the capitalization of Gazprom on fake news. Someone "smart" makes money on this, and ignorant townsfolk, with every fiber of their soul trying to spit dirt at any state institution, are diligently helping them with this.

[aesculapius]

Are you arguing, to list your names in a list? Vaughn bulk cut the truth of the uterus, where is he now? Yes, he was not imprisoned for slander ...

[hagen]

Quote: eskulap

Are you arguing, to list your names in a list?

What last name do you mean? Where is the request for them? I requested a fragment from the public procurement announcement for the construction of "Force ...". And what about Navalny with his uterus? Judging by your indignation, you are not at all in the topic of procurement for the state. and municipality. needs. You, Pavel, do not understand what it is, and that information about this is presented on an open resource. Therefore, temper your ardor, for it is inappropriate here. In general, the question is not of your level ... obviously.

[Ka-52]

you worry so much about the Oval, hamsters?

[UAZ 452]

It turns out that even in the USSR, when, as they say, they taught at least something during the term, they were not able to form a really trained reserve? Then a legitimate question - what is the point of military service? What can we say now, but in reality many people think that it is worth declaring mobilization, and victory over Ukraine, despite Western weapons, is assured. Well, well ... Such dreamers should read history books and ask who was the main striking force of the 1917 revolutions. And these were servicemen of the reserve regiments, formed to be sent to the front, who did not want to go to war at all. Well, and "revolutionary sailors", where would we be without them ... In general, the fleet for Russia was extremely rarely useful, at least for the last 200 years of its history, but it provided a huge amount of image losses.

[hagen]

Quote: UAZ 452

Well, well ... Such dreamers should read history books and ask who was the main striking force of the 1917 revolutions

No need to be smart, if you cannot understand the essence of the issue from reading from a familiar language.

[Goto]

I thought that there was a department of some kind of analysts. who predict the situation. Or there experts from the Russian Academy of Sciences are attracted to give information about what is at the forefront of science.
Although, there is another side. I remember how the teacher was asked about shale oil.
He replied that they would develop it for another 10 years, and then once and already next year.
An acquaintance studied heat engineering. The task was to design a heating network for a nine-story building. As a result, when handing over the material, the old teacher announced that such transitions / connections / turns, etc. do not exist in nature. The teacher was sent to the nearest sanitary tech store to make sure that all the material was available.

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Stas157

Urgent issues before the operation need to be addressed, and not at the time when the rooster pecks.

You suggest since the case has begun to find the culprit and give up?
It never happens that everything is perfect always plans have to be adjusted as they are implemented.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

You suggest since the case has begun to find the culprit and give up?

No, I propose to find the culprits, convict them under terrorist articles, put them in jail for life and put professionals.

[sansan2]

My friend, if you can name at least one army in the world in the entire history of our planet that has managed to prepare for the upcoming war, taking into account all the nuances, you will be nominated for the Nobel Prize. Always and everywhere the army learned from its mistakes in combat operations and everything was written in blood. Of course, the fact that all the shortcomings are being voiced is good, but they are revealed only as a result of an analysis of real hostilities. Only then it becomes clear that UAVs are needed at the platoon level and which ones. And to beat with a bad voice on the entire Internet "the boss is all gone" and "and I spoke and warned" this is for couch warriors. It is necessary to analyze experience and eliminate shortcomings. And also, the way military operations are now being conducted suggests that a lot of work has already been done in the army both in terms of rearmament and in terms of training, even if we take the above example of a tank ambush, such a situation in Chechnya or Afghanistan would end in huge losses on our part , and here there is competent action and training. So I ask you to close your mouth about training, and do not confuse conscripts and contractors, as they say, do not confuse horseradish with a finger.

[Civil]

My friend, if you can name at least one army in the world in the entire history of our planet that has managed to prepare for the upcoming war, taking into account all the nuances, you will be nominated for the Nobel Prize.

For a start:
1. Wehrmacht during the French campaign, the Polish campaign, the capture of Norway.
2. Israel 6 day war, doomsday war.
3. USSR and operation "Danube".

Yes, any number.

[Alf]

Quote: Civil

My friend, if you can name at least one army in the world in the entire history of our planet that has managed to prepare for the upcoming war, taking into account all the nuances, you will be nominated for the Nobel Prize.

For a start:
1. Wehrmacht during the French campaign, the Polish campaign, the capture of Norway.
2. Israel 6 day war, doomsday war.
3. USSR and operation "Danube".

Yes, any number.

Yes, even the Finnish war. The army of 39 and the army of 40 are two very different things.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

such a situation in Chechnya or Afghanistan would end in huge losses on our part

In Afghanistan, no more than 15 thousand people died in ten years. Apparently, we have already buried more in three months, so there is no need to talk about Afghanistan. But the comparison with Chechnya is closer to the topic, since then their own "leaders" also traded weapons and people with the enemy. That in Syria there were no opportunities to study the Turkish Bayraktars? Why have we been sitting there for eight years, if at the end no one understood anything about the importance of satellite reconnaissance and the operation of UAVs? If our communication and interaction between the military branches, as was bad in the conflict 080808, has not improved? How many more Russian soldiers must die before they finally shoot the thieves who pretend to work out military state orders?

[Alf]

Quote: Antonina Ignatenko

How many more Russian soldiers must die before they finally shoot the thieves who pretend to work out military state orders?

[hagen]

Quote: Antonina Ignatenko

Apparently, we have already buried more in three months, so there is no need to talk about Afghanistan. But the comparison with Chechnya is closer to the topic, since then their own "leaders" also traded weapons and people with the enemy.

Who do you want to accuse of arms dealing with the enemy? Do you have evidence for this, or do you want to baselessly accuse the leadership of our Armed Forces of betraying the interests of the country during the period of hostilities? I have reason to believe that you are deliberately lying and acting in the interests of our adversary. I hope there will be competent persons willing to ask you a few clarifying and procedural questions.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Antonina Ignatenko

That in Syria there were no opportunities to study the Turkish Bayraktars? Why have we been sitting there for eight years, if at the end no one understood anything about the importance of satellite reconnaissance and the operation of UAVs?

Yes they were. And even the Barmaley drones caught ... With balloons, according to Zagortsev.

[Tavrik]

My friend, if you can name at least one army in the world in the entire history of our planet that has managed to prepare for the upcoming war, taking into account all the nuances, you will be nominated for the Nobel Prize.

1805, the French army, which for months prepared to throw across the English Channel and, as a result, won at Austerlitz, passing all over Europe. Issues of staffing with people, equipment, horse staff, transport, combat training, organization of interaction and communications are almost exemplary.
Where can I claim the award?

[aesculapius]

Yes, everything has been written more than once and in blood for a long time, I saw a video of the work of the Marines for cleaning up Mariupol: they command to cover, hold the windows, I hold in response (what does he hold there), the group ran in single file, silence, then the dill began to smack, and the group was not 3 -4 people and 7-9 and naturally they fall to death in one penultimate one, everything (who covered what they didn’t hear) what training, they are not even burdened with logic

[Ka-52]

Sofa experts like you can do everything and all with one hand, razzzz ..... that's only when they get off the pissed-off sofa. What prevents it is an application for a contract and forward, to teach the mind to the mind of unreasonable fighters. Or do you only know how to discuss videos with a beer? how many battles did he participate in? Part number, year, conflict, position

[aesculapius]

The troll-demagogy is not tired of breeding, there is a specific video, there are comments - the main conclusion is that they do not teach correct actions in a combat situation. There was a helmet-mounted video, during the shelling of the column (maybe a training one, since nothing exploded) as the soldiers scattered from the armor - just some kind of shame.

[Ka-52]

I'm not asking you about the video. I'm asking you about a specific personal experience that allows here to judge the actions of military personnel in a combat situation. Judging by your waggling your ass, your entire "experience" lies in scratching your tongue at military publics.

[aesculapius]

In order to evaluate in general how a person does his job, it is not necessary to be a specialist, just look at the process and the result - and if you fill up the floor of the department, what would you say - "you are not specialists, you don’t understand anything, it should be like that?"

[Ka-52]

In order to assess in general how a person does his job, it is not necessary to be a specialist, just look at the process and the result

you are a swindler and an idler. And that's if it's censored. Let's evaluate the professionalism of the surgeon performing the operation from the outside. You judge the war from the couch, having never been in a combat situation, without experiencing fear and stress, without knowing how people behave after several days of participation in continuous battles. Even the commandos, who had experience, in whom many actions were honed to automatism, were pierced and the groups suffered losses. And then the Marines, ordinary soldiers, led by some kind of starlet. Such a soldier in a week of fighting will become so dumb that you have to kick him in the ass so that he moves and beat him on the head so that he does not openly climb under the bullets.
What can you judge and who can you blame? You can train, train in assault operations a group, a platoon. Yes, they will be able to move, cut sectors, clean properly. But a platoon, even professionals, will run out in a couple of blocks. Next, who to send to the assault? Ordinary divisions? Who's in there? A year old boy who signed a contract? How to prepare for the assault on cities? Okay, the task is to storm the city. You have a regiment. You, as a smart regiment commander, a month before the start of the fighting (who will give this month?) You began to train fighters for the specifics of the battle in the city. These are storming you, these are covering, these are providing fire support, there is a reserve. Well, a week has passed, from the regiment there was at best a battalion, consolidated. Need replenishment, rotation. By whom? Who's going to come? The answer is simple - who will give. Those. again simple soldiers. Which will have to learn immediately, right there. Some of them will die due to stupidity, some will become incapable of combat for non-combat reasons, and only 20% of them will be able to continue to fight normally. And at this time, some kind of deer in some kind of scruffy Voronezh, after watching the battle with your subordinates on video, writes: "They can't do anything, stupid!"

[aesculapius]

Now, normal thoughts - it turns out that not only are they not ready for the war, but also all sorts of shit commanders set tasks according to the principle "I don't need your service, I need you to suffer" - what result do they expect? If only the disposal of the Russian army. Look at the Kyiv operation of 1943 and compare.

[Ka-52]

it turns out that not only are they not ready for the war,

You can't be ready for war. Especially when it happens once every 50 years. Even if in the VVKU the litekha is trained on the tactics of combined arms combat, then during the years of "non-war" he will lose all the baggage of knowledge along the garrison parade grounds. To be able to fight, you need to fight. Literally. Before the victorious Korsun-Shevchenko operation or Operation Bagration, there was the Kharkov disaster and the Volkhov meat grinder of 1942.

[aesculapius]

If the army had not been engaged in eyewash but real combat training, then jambs and interactions and all kinds of support would already have surfaced (as usual - radio stations do not work, body armor without plates, tanks without dz, the column advances xs), even in tank biathlon it’s a shame, in shooting - when the stress factor affects, this indicates a weak training. Further, the Germans in the explosives had a level of air correction and reconnaissance, which we are still catching up with all sorts of UAVs, but we were going to fight with NATO, so far the artillery has not been delivered

[Ka-52]

Pavel, what are you talking about???? What body armor without plates? What tanks without DZ? Are you distracting me with your nonsense? Calm down, go to school.

[Serg65]

Quote: Stas157

Urgent issues before surgery need to be addressed

Before the start of the operation, we decided on the urgency of the quality and availability of torpedoes, and by the way, you also actively participated in this!

[timokhin-aa]

Why don't you need torpedoes? What a twist!

[Serg65]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Why don't you need torpedoes? What a twist!

Have you already decided, Sasha, what you and Klimov need ... torpedoes, a collimator for the pistol of each platoon commander, armor for transport Kamaz trucks, or a thousand millionth swarm of UAVs?
Muratov will order the next article about what? So.. to get ready in advance?!

[EvilLion]

Especially near Kyiv they are needed. Most.

[Den red]

It's only stupid people who jump several times on a rake in order to understand and reveal something, smart people have long described and shouted at the top of their voices what the generals are now figuring out. But it's like fighting windmills, because tomorrow something new will need to be introduced and the same story will happen again, people will die and someone may start to itch. No responsibility for failures, so there will be new failures.

[Goto]

I advise everyone to write to the website of the Moscow Region and other specialized organizations.

[Architect]

This was clear even before the NWO.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine realized this back in 2014 and began to equip themselves en masse. Our 8 years old sat and watched. Now we are paying for it with the lives of soldiers.

[Ka-52]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine realized this back in 2014 and began to equip themselves en masse. Our 8 years old sat and watched. Now we are paying for it with the lives of soldiers.

don't write nonsense. In terms of the staffing of units with small tactical UAVs of the Orlan-10 type, we surpass Ukraine by an order of magnitude. Of course, you can wish for more (this is not a problem, just as there is no limit to perfection), but why is it so frantic to lie to your own army, supposedly devoid of UAVs?

[Torins]

.do not write nonsense.

And before you rush to write comments, at least read the article first, and not just the title. Everything about Orlan 10 is written there.

[Ka-52]

And before you rush to write comments, at least read the article first, and not just the title. Everything about Orlan 10 is written there.

At least you learn to read and comprehend what you read. This comment of mine was not addressed to the author, but to a specific comrade Architect. Regarding the author, the article, and specifically Orlanov, Klimov wrote some kind of confusion there. Half drawn, half contrived. Instead of shouting "everything is lost", he should have written how many specific Orlan-10 complexes are used in SO as part of Russian units. We have more than 1,5 EMNIPs for all aircraft, but how many of them are in Ukraine is not known. The author judges the alleged absence of aerial reconnaissance based on indirect data (such as someone was ambushed). But this is not an argument within the framework of a whole front and a whole group.

[Serg65]

Quote: Ka-52

Klimov wrote some kind of confusion there

And not a word about torpedoes and sea mines ..... and this depresses me!
Приветствуем!

[Ka-52]

About mines and torpedoes, Maxim gets more epic))

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

And before you rush to write comments, at least read the article first, and not just the title. Everything about Orlan 10 is written there.

At least you learn to read and comprehend what you read. This comment of mine was not addressed to the author, but to a specific comrade Architect. Regarding the author, the article, and specifically Orlanov, Klimov wrote some kind of confusion there. Half drawn, half contrived. Instead of shouting "everything is lost", he should have written how many specific Orlan-10 complexes are used in SO as part of Russian units. We have more than 1,5 EMNIPs for all aircraft, but how many of them are in Ukraine is not known. The author judges the alleged absence of aerial reconnaissance based on indirect data (such as someone was ambushed). But this is not an argument within the framework of a whole front and a whole group.

We probably produced up to 1500 of them, but a lot were lost simply in Syria, hundreds were lost during the LDNR to the NWO.

Also, do you know the stuffing?
Japanese engines and cameras, foreign communication and navigation modules...
Although civilian, but still dual-purpose.
The Chinese are supplying something, but after the corrupt landings of the leadership of the Orlan-10 program, they somehow do not behave very well.

[Ka-52]

We probably produced up to 1500 of them, but a lot were lost simply in Syria, hundreds were lost during the LDNR to the NWO.

"a lot" is a category from the discharge of a finger to the sky. Is there any data? I do not have. Production in the Moscow region made 1500 units and stood up? No.
We are now talking about the presence of UAVs in the units fighting. Why slip into chewing on the topic "but the king is not real!". Is there a UAV? There is. Regardless of the toppings. How the production will be conducted in the future is a separate issue that goes beyond the context of the discussion. There will definitely be problems

[aesculapius]

Video from eagles with successful work once or twice and the end, from dill the whole YouTube is littered, where superiority is in order

[Ka-52]

You're a rattler. Look in the telegram, and not in American YouTube, where you block all our channels.

[ovlosev]

Judging by the amount of official information, articles should be written like this:
Title: What happened to the cruiser Moscow.
Article text: He drowned.
Something like this.

[Serg65]

Quote: Torins

Everything about Orlan 10 is written there.

Previously, it was written about torpedoes there ... but what is the connection between the torpedo and Orlan, I don’t understand ... although .. Klimov ... Novaya Gazeta ... Muratov .... foreign agent .... no, it can’t be! !!!

[Tavrik]

Can't Orlan carry a torpedo?
And I really wanted to ...

[Serg65]

Believe me, anything can be tied to a torpedo!

[Antonina Ignatenko]

why is it so frantic to lie to your own army, allegedly devoid of UAVs

I don't understand, can't you read? What is the article you are trying to comment on? It is clearly written there that on paper we have these UAVs - at least chew on the appropriate place, but in reality we are constantly told about the heroic actions of our military, falling into tank ambushes. And the author asks the question: where are our UAVs? Why is there no effective reconnaissance from the air? The question is rhetorical, because besides UAVs, we still have a lot of things that exist exclusively in reports, and the money for this has been paid and disbursed by the state. And then research institutes and warehouses are burning, and they tell us about sabotage.

[Ka-52]

I don't understand, can't you read? What is the article you are trying to comment on?

wake up sick. I wrote not to the author, but to the commentator Architect. do you all have vision problems?

that on paper we have these UAVs - at least chew on the appropriate place, but in reality we are constantly told about the heroic actions of our military, falling into tank ambushes

and you read dill publics more often - Russians are being destroyed there by whole divisions. In general, the media still write that the Earth flew into the celestial axis, how

[Antonina Ignatenko]

Instead of admitting that you don’t read the articles you comment on, you could immediately write like this: I’m a troll, I don’t have time to read articles, my business is about .. critics of the authorities and go to the next public.

[Ka-52]

Could instead admit that you don't read articles

where do you break the process of thinking? For those who are stupid, I repeat once again: this comment of mine did not refer to the article and not to the author, but to another commentator. It was to him that I wrote the answer. Stop raving and annoying people with your nonsense

[EvilLion]

Because they were shown one video from a drone, they jump, and the fact that in 99% of cases drones will not detect or film anything is not clear. As well as there is no understanding that the vidos with the defeat of the tank, this is an event that has already happened, when the drone was sent to the desired area and found something, but no drones will be enough to fly around tens of square kilometers. Not to mention the fact that detection does not occur by a drone, but by an operator who, from the picture from the camera, must somehow see a camouflaged tank, or a position in a building.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The NWO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.
Now it has become more clear what exactly the fighters and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.
I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.
There was a message that the production of our Baikal processors had stalled due to the dirty tricks of the British.
Which was generally expected.

It didn't stop, it stopped completely. All Baikal and Elbrus processors were assembled in Taiwan, but Taiwan joined the sanctions and does not do them anymore.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.

Count after:
1 Factories will be designed and built to produce equipment for factories that will do

Quote: Lech from Android.

what exactly soldiers and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.

It's about 5 years old.
2. Then factories will be designed and built for directly

Quote: Lech from Android.

what exactly soldiers and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.

it's also 5 years old
3. In parallel, these factories will recruit and train personnel.
In short, 11 years later, the first batch to the front.
In the meantime,

Quote: Lech from Android.

soldiers and commanders on the battlefield and rear.

we have to fight with what we have.
Well, at least help them.
With hats of adversaries, hats and on the keyboard, knock harder.
ps Kvass, as you got it already ...
Victims of the exam.

[parma]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The NWO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.
Now it has become more clear what exactly the fighters and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.
I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.
There was a message that the production of our Baikal processors had stalled due to the dirty tricks of the British.
Which was generally expected.

About the need for drones (even copters) and means of communication, even any airsoft player who has been to major games will perfectly tell you. And this despite the fact that in airsoft games the role of armored vehicles and artillery is scanty (it comes down to mortars with a range of a couple of hundred meters and machine guns on wheels, which by the way represent a very big headache, but rather due to the lack of weapons in in the form of an RPG, again due to the small amount of armor), and the range of personal weapons rarely gets used to 50m ... which made it difficult to take into account even such an experience and apply it in proportion to real, and not toy weapons? .. but no, we need SVO and real blood ...

[UAZ 452]

In prehistoric times, when the Defense Ministry was led by Serdyukov (known as a furniture maker, Taburetkin, etc.), they wrote that he purchased several sets of airsoft weapons for the army. Connoisseurs immediately ridiculed him, like playing with toys, instead of real exercises, etc. I then ventured to write in a comment that such an element of training, along with the classic elements of combat training, would not be superfluous, but where is there! Well, now we have an army, the preparation of which for war was carried out by participating in parades, tank biathlons and demonstration exercises. And the Temple of the All Army to help us.

[parma]

Quote: UAZ 452

In prehistoric times, when the Defense Ministry was led by Serdyukov (known as a furniture maker, Taburetkin, etc.), they wrote that he purchased several sets of airsoft weapons for the army. Connoisseurs immediately ridiculed him, like playing with toys, instead of real exercises, etc. I then ventured to write in a comment that such an element of training, along with the classic elements of combat training, would not be superfluous, but where is there! Well, now we have an army, the preparation of which for war was carried out by participating in parades, tank biathlons and demonstration exercises. And the Temple of the All Army to help us.

In one of the city clubs, we stumbled upon the training of the local SOBR, from the conversation I learned that they try everything: paintball, airsoft, fire tag, etc., in order to find what is best for training. But all these hobbies (let's call it that) are only suitable for indoor close combat training, and then only conditionally, the technical characteristics of the equipment affect (the ball speed of 120 m / s is prohibited in buildings, more than 150 is prohibited at all). According to the rules, there are no injuries, and the injured player must leave the playing area, etc. But it's better than nothing, no wonder the Western military uses the "adult" version.

[UAZ 452]

If our strippers really bothered with something other than parades and their lobbying interests, then on the basis of mass airsoft and similar equipment, it would be possible to create "adult", realistic modifications that are closer to real combat conditions. In the conditions of urban combat (for which, as it once again became clear, no one is ready for us), close combat, indoor combat is the most common variant of the DB, and blank cartridges from standard weapons fired into the white light to the cries of "Hurrah!" generally they don’t allow fighters to learn anything, but if there is an opportunity to really shoot at each other (and do a little bo-bo, without self-mutilation), such a science will be assimilated much better.

[EvilLion]

Do you even understand that the airsoft competition takes place on an extremely limited area, and the drone will see it all? In a real war, your drone can circle for hours over the forest in which there are disguised troops and not see a damn thing. The drone is not a panacea, it is only a means to take the observer's eyes to a point that seems interesting.

[AdAstra]

Of course, I put a plus for you, but I have questions 1 and 2, 2008, Syria, the experience of others was not enough, do you need to feel the “rake” with your forehead again?

[UAZ 452]

The experience of other countries, the depressing results of the use of our (mostly Soviet, but Russian, alas, not far gone) weapons and tactics, we preferred to chatter, brush it off, explaining it with "crookedness" and low literacy of the command staff of the same Arab countries. The general refrain was: "I wish our specialists were there at the helm!". Well, here we are reaping the fruits of baseless bragging and ignoring the experience that someone else could receive, and not with our own blood. God forbid that at least one could learn from one’s mistakes, and not blame the defeats on the traditional “fifth column”, traitors, calm down with the fact that “we fought not with Ukraine, but with the entire Western world”, as if it was he who was not positioned as their probable opponent, and they didn’t seem to be preparing for a confrontation with him.

[AdAstra]

And the experience of the 1st and 2nd, 2008, Syria, or was there nothing like that? But some with NATO tried to "we can repeat."

[UAZ 452]

Yes, and now they are torn, scribbling comments from their favorite chair (like us, however, but at least we don’t consider it necessary to throw our hats).
I sometimes think that many of the troubles of the present time are due to a lack of responsibility for one's words. Now, if we pass a law according to which we can repeat from everyone, "Putin - bring in the troops" and "give the Russian peace!" remove incognito, and mobilize into the army, to put into practice their civic position, people would become in their mass much more rational, which would benefit the entire human civilization.

[AdAstra]

Well, what about experience, is it experience or not?

[UAZ 452]

Information becomes experience only after it is comprehended and the relevant conclusions based on it are put into practice. Until then, information does not bring any benefit, and cannot be experience.

[AdAstra]

That is, if you didn’t understand why you were shocked when you shoved the scissors into the socket and from what you almost glued the fins, then it’s as if it didn’t exist, there is no experience, right?

[UAZ 452]

If you didn’t comprehend the information about this, and stuffed the scissors into the socket again, then you didn’t get any experience. Exactly. How else? The moron from your example, in principle, is not capable of gaining any experience, so he is clearly not in danger of success in evolutionary selection.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: UAZ 452

The moron from your example, in principle, is not capable of gaining any experience, so he is clearly not in danger of success in evolutionary selection.

Well, I put two carnations in the socket, even when I went to kindergarten. I remember the impressions for the rest of my life, and that was 45 years ago. I was very curious as to what was in there. By the way, back in the 80s, the Americans began to put lasers on their machine guns during exercises. Like wounded or killed. They put on some kind of special vests, when they "hit" the horn squeaked.

[UAZ 452]

Well, it means that in your case, the information has successfully become an experience :))
As for the laser during the exercises, it’s probably not a bad thing, but if the suit of the person struck by the current slightly (like from a socket) knocked, then the thoroughness in disguise, the use of the protective properties of the area would immediately increase significantly. For "the beep squeaked" - for the majority it's just information, but "fucked with a current" - for any normal person it immediately becomes an experience.

[AdAstra]

Well, so you say you need to comprehend otherwise than as a pure instinct that it hurts and is no longer necessary, it seems like it doesn’t roll or doesn’t it?

[frog]

and implementation of the relevant conclusions based on it in practice.

Oh ... And when we had it, can you tell me? Usually, special people process information, others systematize it, others give recommendations. Which, as a rule, in the "rulers" no one sees or hears. And the farther from the conditional 45th, the more actively this process goes on ....

[Zoer]

Yes, what are the words? Where is the responsibility for theft, kickbacks, forgery, bullshit? For inflated amounts of OKRs that ended in nothing? For yachts, palaces, fucked up there? WHERE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL THIS?

[Antonina Ignatenko]

CBO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations

Yes, this war game is wonderful. Only now we do not hear about cases against those who produced and modernized something on paper, sawed money, but nothing was received by the troops. And the guys must die because of these .... Or show miracles of heroism.

[Zoer]

Huge thanks man!!! To the point!!!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The NWO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.
Now it has become more clear what exactly the fighters and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.
I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.
There was a message that the production of our Baikal processors had stalled due to the dirty tricks of the British.
Which was generally expected.

You are correct only in one "that everything was expected" ...
But you wrote it in a different context.

And I'm straight - everything that's happening now - exactly as expected.
No one in our Defense Ministry cared about the world experience of military operations.
Large drones are already 30 years old in history - we don't have one.
Reconnaissance and strike drones are 20 years old - we only have searchlights.
What is - Israeli license.
Small-sized drones are a copy of Chinese household drones from Aliexpress and then only a year ago in the brochures.
There are no means of modern communication.
There are no means of turning cast iron into guided and gliding munitions, although the history of their use in combat is almost 25 years old.
Integrated reconnaissance and theater-level battlefield control systems - no. Although all information about the principles of network-centricity and some levels of interaction in the system is available.

Our Baikal processors are a license bought from the British and orders for production in Taiwan. So "our" in them there is nothing from the word at all.

It is a pity that those who write about "clearly identified all the shortcomings and miscalculations" do not understand that every day the SVO, our reserves are decreasing, while those of the enemy are increasing.
Here hats fly because they captured another RPG or MANPADS, or even a small warehouse ... For hat-throwers, this is what a victory. Taken from the enemy.
Only the essence is different.
The enemy can afford to simply drop their weapons and walk away light. For he knows that he has already formed hundreds and thousands of warehouses and caches of such ATGMs, MANPADS, RPGs and other things. And thousands more complexes will be brought together from all over the world.
That's why they don't protect it. For sitting by the river and suffering from thirst - this does not happen.

The NWO has already passed to the stage when we have really lost the initiative.
The world will no longer be.
And stopping at the borders of the LDNR or Kherson, we will not get a truce.
The war will go in the opposite direction.
The enemy is already clearly determined to fight not just further, he is now determined to outplay us tactically in the Donbass, and win this battle, and then he is determined to go to the LDNR, and even to the Crimea.
For the war has now come to just such a moment.
There are no more negotiations from the Ukrainian side.
They already consider it possible to win this protracted war.
And not just to win, but also to return the lost territories and receive reparations and indemnities.
This is how they actually think in Ukraine now.

[Dmitry_6]

Yes, I also noticed this, it seems they understood that they were not ready for a war for an adult RF Armed Forces, and a grouping of 100-200 thousand was quite capable of crushing the number plus NATO information technical assistance.

[AdAstra]

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

[Zoer]

Yes, the ENTIRE apparatus is rotten. What the fighters need is undeniable. Yes, they just need something completely different. From a complete re-equipment, to a complete rethinking of the way war is waged.

[haron]

Quote: Lech from Android.

There was a message that the production of our Baikal processors had stalled due to the dirty tricks of the British.

I don't know for sure who stopped it. I know that the chip and the processor base (in fact, 80%) are manufactured in Taiwan by TSMC using a 28-nm process technology.

[Jura 27]

But palaces and yachts were built in large numbers. And the fact that serfs are dying on the battlefield due to lack of observation and communication, so the problems of the Indians, the sheriff does not care, and so far.

[Ka-52]

The issues raised very clearly are shown in the video from the Ukrainian side with a tank ambush on a column of armored personnel carriers (probably our marines), the screenshots from which are given below.

the author refers to the video, according to which 2 months ago there were heated debates on the network about whose column it was and who was in the ambush. There were no less reports that it was an ambush of the DPR army against the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than those who claimed the opposite. The author should not have judged the belonging of the technique to some side only by the fact that the flags are drawn there. Examples when ukroagitprom gives out the destruction of APU equipment for its own victory over a wagon and a small cart.
But if we start from the assumption that the convoy is Russian, then there are more questions not about equipping UAV units, but more about teaching tactics in our VVKU. Even without technical means of reconnaissance, the column commander (before entering the NP) had to perform elementary measures. Firstly, questions immediately arise on the construction of the column: where is the head patrol? Where is the side guard? Why is the convoy going through the NP along the march with the landing force inside? Secondly, judging by the video, a small hill dominates the village (in the foreground). It is enough to plant an ATGM crew on this high-rise with the task of controlling the passage of the column, and the issue of destroying the ambush would be decided much easier. And this is even without any thermal imagers and UAVs, which the author so fiercely leans on. The conclusion is simple: this example demonstrates the criminal negligence or illiteracy of the column commander, and here the technical equipment would not give absolutely nothing.

[antivirus]

"equipment" is needed not against uhrov, to intimidate NATO.
Preparation for TMV.
So that they do not forget to celebrate at least May 8, otherwise they will remember how they landed troops in the Crimean War.
Other stories from "historians" - other goals for the military

[moscowp]

NATO was so “scared” looking at this that even the media actually openly say: “there is nothing to be afraid of at all, everything is much funnier than we could imagine.” It is not for nothing that statements about the use of nuclear weapons came from us, because. our former partners realized that one Polish army in the appendage would be enough to "solve the issue"

[avia12005]

In pursuit: we have trouble with reconnaissance guided aircraft. Only the Su-24MR remained, and even then there are few of them.

[IVZ]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The NWO is good because it clearly revealed all the shortcomings and miscalculations.
Now it has become more clear what exactly the fighters and commanders need on the battlefield and rear.
I hope our military-industrial complex will take this into account.

Something will be taken into account, but unfortunately much more often after the war a deep exhalation follows and other problems begin to be solved.

[Stas157]

Quote: IVZ

after the war

And when will it end? And what will happen after?

I don't think anyone knows the answer to this question.

[Ka-52]

There is a very recent volunteer fundraiser for commercial radio stations for pilots (!), and this despite the fact that the flight crew is an unconditional “golden resource” of the RF Armed Forces!

Well, what kind of nonsense? What kind of volunteers will be able to buy radio stations of at least R-832 Eucalyptus level? And the main question - where did your own radio stations from combat vehicles go?

"Orlan" helped out a lot and helped in Syria and a number of other conflicts. However, it is rapidly becoming obsolete.

yeah, and in this case, the author sees the best way for us is to adapt the passenger M-101 Gzhel for air reconnaissance and this is in conditions of dense enemy air defense

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

There is a very recent volunteer fundraiser for commercial radio stations for pilots (!), and this despite the fact that the flight crew is an unconditional “golden resource” of the RF Armed Forces!

Well, what kind of nonsense? What kind of volunteers will be able to buy radio stations of at least R-832 Eucalyptus level? And the main question - where did your own radio stations from combat vehicles go?

You would have to slightly change the sources of information in the current conditions.
Telegram channels to find all sorts.
As far as I understand, there was a fundraising and purchase of 50 Yaesu FTA-450L radio stations for NAZ on the FighterBomber telegram channel. Radio stations were bought for about 30-40 thousand rubles apiece and sent to the pilots.
Purchase and receipt reports are on the channel.
For, as it turns out in the process of SVO, the NAZ that the pilots now have, to put it mildly, by the pilots themselves, is considered suicidal.

[UAZ 452]

Maybe we are talking about radio stations for aircraft spotters? Well, or really - just a scam and divorced from the next children of Lieutenant Schmidt.

[satellite24]

if you watch the star channel, then we are ahead of the rest!

[AdAstra]

yeah, unparalleled in the world.

[Elena Akinfieva]

The problem is that the same equipment is involved on both sides, and a lot of trophy equipment, which complicates identification. It would be interesting to see how the Americans would fight against the Abrams

[Elena Akinfieva]

Ukrainian tankers are an example of this, when they got in their own way and there are enough such cases. Just this particular steamed one.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Good article.
Very embarrassing for our guys. Though a wolf howl.

[Andrey1978]

I recently watched a program about the battle of tanks in the early years of the Second World War. Not all Soviet vehicles had walkie-talkies, and the tankers were guided by the signals of the flags .... The Germans, on the contrary, even had a radio operator in the crew so as not to distract the commander. History repeats itself...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Andrey1978

The Germans, on the contrary, even had a radio operator in the crew, so as not to distract the commander.

At first, the Germans had radio transmitters only on the vehicles of commanders from a platoon and above, and on vehicles of reconnaissance units. And the line tanks of tank platoons were equipped only with radios.
This was argued by the need to avoid losing control of units in battle - it was believed that if you put transmitters on all tanks, then messages from several hundred tanks would simply clog the air.
However, combat experience forced the Panzerwaffe to equip all tanks with radio transmitters. For the danger of losing control turned out to be much lower than the real danger of losing tanks in battle due to lack of information: for example, if a line tank was fired upon by a suddenly revived anti-tank vehicle, then without a transmitter it could not report to the commander about this threat to him and other tanks of the platoon (and he the commander could not immediately observe in a 360-degree sector in battle).

[Alf]

Quote: Alexey RA

At first, the Germans had radio transmitters only on the vehicles of commanders from a platoon and above, and on vehicles of reconnaissance units.

By the way, during the Battle of Britain, every five 109s only had a transmitter on one, and receivers on the other four.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

[

tank battle in the early years of WWII

What WWII? In our war 080808 with Georgia, this problem of communication and interaction between aviation and ground forces again came to light. And no one drew any conclusions. In Syria, are they peeling seeds there or what? Still not sure what drones are needed? This is not the problem: the military gives them information about what is missing. Orders are being placed, you can see what Kremlinbots are writing: we have everything. And one and a half thousand UAVs, and communications on tanks. Only all this, apparently, is available exclusively on paper. The problem is not in the military on the battlefield, but in the businessmen from the war in the rear.

[frog]

again this problem of communication and interaction between aviation and ground forces came to light.

Revealed???? Did she disappear somewhere?

And no one drew any conclusions.

What for? The problems of the Indians to the sheriff before the lamp .....

[rocket757]

Say that you yourself have created problems for yourself, and now we are overcoming them with losses !!!
Oh ho ho, the problems were created by specific faces, and completely different people have to overcome them!

[AdAstra]

Why, you, well, they will hand out orders and medals posthumously, the thing is, we have no problems with the production of this, as I see it. They have no children, grandchildren, nephews.

[rocket757]

Healthy cynicism, sometimes, helps to overcome all sorts of unhealthy tendencies and circumstances, but one must know when to stop.

[carstorm 11]

As for the tank battle. Its results say that it was unexpected for the Ukrainian side. The oncoming one is not necessarily from the series - and suddenly a tank appeared. If, in the conditions of a fleeting battle, the enemy loses 6 vehicles against one, this indicates that one of the sides was ready for battle. That the goals were sorted out. And there have been fights like this before.

[archiroll]

While our generals do not have enough spirit to recognize the proser on drones ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: arhitroll

our generals do not have enough spirit to recognize the proser on drones ..

Is it only for them? And what about anti-aircraft weapons of the 3rd and higher generations, and means of protection against it? AWACS aircraft? DZ for "light" armored vehicles? "Infantry" (company) UAVs? "Normal" equipment of troops with thermal imagers? But you can continue! It is no less "interesting" that there are attempts to justify "all this disgrace"! Well, okay, ranks from the Moscow Region (those that are rated by the degree of devotion to the ruling regime ...) and "experts" from the TV show of V. Solovyov and the like ... and some "comrades" from VO are in full swing!

[UAZ 452]

Everything that you have listed does not add color to the parade columns, which means that it worried our superiors in the penultimate turn (last - reconnaissance, communications, target designation, interaction, which you will not demonstrate at all at the parade). The same cruiser "Moskva" - who needed to modernize the air defense, fire extinguishing system? But when the main power plant began to cover itself, repairs were made, it’s not good if the flagship is brought to the place in the parade formation by tugboats.

[FoBoss_V]

Everything is right in the article. There was little left to do: to overtake the dogoz of the Morrf so that in a couple of months the first results would come. Remove Manturov to hell from his position and put him on trial for misuse of budget funds. Establish personal personal criminal responsibility of each executor at each link in the chain with strict control of deadlines and quality. A couple of fat generals and top managers will sit down, groaning with their bare asses on the concrete, while the rest will run like scalded ones, day and night in the field, turning their subordinates inside out. And this applies not only to filling the UAV army. It is also necessary to carry out modernization of armored units. Arrange the supply of collimators and heat exchangers. Finally, develop and adopt a complex of military equipment and equipment, not this disgraceful warrior, but just such that everyone would want to go into battle with him, and airsoft gunners would stand in line for months to buy a civilian version. Shoes, helmets, gloves, especially marking your own stranger. Communication is needed individual and divisional, noise-proof and crypto-resistant. Yes, a lot of things have been revealed like an abscess, in many places it’s not just a failure, but just a black hole ... Hard methods are needed to reshape the military-industrial complex industry.

[UAZ 452]

Do you think it is realistic to master the production of thermal imagers, modern means of communication, control in the conditions of a strict sanctions regime? Where will you get processors (and not only) for all this? And in general - a country of 140 million cannot be completely self-sufficient, I'm not talking about successful competition with the rest of the world - there simply won't be enough resources, including human resources, no matter how much you declare import substitution. And given that the situation is now conducive to the outflow of brains, and not at all to their inflow, everything becomes even sadder.

[Bolt cutter]

The 9 millionth of Israel and Sweden are doing well.

[UAZ 452]

Do they produce the ALL range of items needed for their aircraft? Can I ask the performance characteristics of Israeli aircraft (UAVs do not yet cover the entire range of needs), and Swedish tanks? Are they capable of withstanding sanctions like those that are now being crushed on us? And we will not survive, only China would have any chances in such a situation.

[Bolt cutter]

In Sweden, the people, if you subtract the animals on benefits, as in St. Petersburg and the region.

[UAZ 452]

This is what I'm talking about - the size (territorial - far from the first place) matters. Even if their efficiency of the state (and the population, which is already there) is much higher than ours, but they are above their heads and they cannot jump. That is why there are supranational associations - the same EU, which began as a common market. But once again we have our own way.

[d4rkmesa]

There are quite a few countries that more or less erect technological autarky into a cult. The same French, Japanese, Britons. Yes, not all by themselves, the same Americans helped the Brits with the production of nuclear submarines. As for the real thing - unfortunately not, but you can collect something from what you can smuggle across the border. The same Jews, whom the United States sabotaged the creation of their own weapons, and the Europeans imposed sanctions, eventually came to create their own original and maximally adapted weapons for their scenarios of war.

[d4rkmesa]

Well, Manturov, I must say, UUAZ raised it well, just the ministry is not his level. Maximum - to manage the plant. And the structure itself is archaic, the ministry is physically unable to control many topics.

[VladMirU]

Find out his income - be surprised. And this is damage. That's not enough for thermal imagers.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

Good but not enough.

[Konnick]

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation believes that Arslanov, being the head of the Main Directorate of Communications of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, stole 6,7 billion rubles in the supply of portable radio stations, approving documents with an inflated cost.
Arslanov himself in court called the accusations far-fetched: radio stations are supplied only for the needs of the military, so the market value referred to by the investigation "simply does not exist." According to the general, all his property was bought on credit or a mortgage, and the investigation was able to find only 570 rubles of personal savings from him in "an apartment bought with a mortgage for six years."
Arslanov's former subordinate, ex-head of one of the departments of the Main Directorate of Communications of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Ogloblin, is accused of embezzling 1,6 billion rubles in the execution of government contracts, his case has been separated into a separate proceeding and has already been sent to court.

By the way

... the court arrested Ogloblin's property in the amount of more than 99 million rubles ...

"And there - friends ... After all, I, Zin,
I don't drink alone! Where is the money, Zin???... "

And where is the connection in the army? Maybe it's time for a new 1937. Shoigu sculptures on wood, exhibited , also Tukhachevsky sculpted violins in his "free time from work" ... some kind of unhealthy association came ... a hobby during working hours ???

[UAZ 452]

Another major general, Sergei Yagolnikov, former head of the secret Central Research Institute of Aerospace Defense Forces, will soon stand trial on charges of fraud with much more serious damage. The criminal case against Yagolnik and his 13 subordinates has been under investigation for more than three years.

Is this not the Central Research Institute that recently burned down in Tver?

[Konnick]

Is this not the Central Research Institute that recently burned down in Tver?

You guessed it, and it's easy. On the other hand, they gave me cons when I called the employees of this institution extras, i.e. this is not a scientific institution, but a supervisory one ... A strange coincidence

[Ka-52]

What is the point of posting

judging by the conclusions of the author about the equipment of the Russian armed forces with technical intelligence, starting from examples with the technical equipment of the LDNR units, then none. This is the same as there was a publication on armoring equipment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but most of the photo evidence was taken from the equipment of the armies of the Donetsk republics.

[Li17]

Quote: Yngvar

The impression is that our generals have forgotten simple truths - intelligence and communications are the main criteria when deciding on further actions! It turns out that "not knowing the ford we climb into the water"! Even if we have an idea, we cannot provide a connection! And as you know, the loss of control - there is a failure and loss of people and equipment!

And we didn’t forget about it ... they just worked (I don’t even know, maybe they continue) not in our interests. I myself remember how "modern" communication technology was made, all junk was pulled out of warehouses and stuffed ...., and illiterately! But competently the money was mastered when I found out the amounts that went !!!!! Now they seem to be doing something, but somehow I doubt our base for REA, and the destruction of specialized military schools makes itself felt!

[UAZ 452]

Just don't talk about "dispersed" military schools! Five years of walking in boots (well, or in berets) does not allow researchers, developers, designers to prepare, rather, on the contrary. And competent commanders, military professionals, current military universities are also very badly prepared, and if there were many times more of these schools, it would definitely not be better, rather worse. Before "Taburetkin" dispersed a significant part of military academies and schools, 80% of graduates quit immediately after graduation, or in the first years of service, that is, military education worked in vain. By reducing the release of officers (and until 2008 they released 40 thousand officers a year, and this is by 1 million of the army's payroll, of which 200 thousand officers!), We were able to increase salaries for military personnel, dramatically increasing the prestige of service, and reducing turnover. The question is more complicated - why did they open a bunch of cadet corps, boarding schools for pupils of the Moscow Region, after which an insignificant percentage of graduates go to military universities? After the war, Suvorov schools were created for the children of fallen soldiers, and in the contingent of current analogues, children of the military are far from prevailing. And any additional burden on the military budget is minus UAVs, minus thermal imagers for tanks, and so on.

[Soldatov V.]

It looks like drones with an operator are already needed, starting from an infantry, tank, and artillery battery platoon. If you need it desperately, then it’s not shameful to buy it in an online store, the main thing is the life of the fighters. And the commanders' control over the state of unmanned reconnaissance. Does the commander have an assistant like a political officer in the Soviet Army? One head is good and two is better, at least it will keep you from thoughtless losses.
Why don’t the administrations of the regions from where the units are sent to Ukraine help with unmanned vehicles, quadrocopters, batteries, communications equipment, since the army cannot cope.
The oligarchs will not help in any way, they have all the money, villas, steamships abroad arrested and, as they say, they live starving.

[strannik1985]

In fact, they tried to introduce digital radio communications into the NM corps, Konigtigr himself wrote about this.
https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2069694.html
Simplified, the picture should have looked like this:

However, the topic was covered in connection with the conspiracy of the former head of the main communications department, Khalil Arslanov, and the producers of Azartov, who stole 6,7 billion rubles in the region.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4712794

[Antonina Ignatenko]

Well, and ... They shot this Arslanov? Do they have a moratorium?

[strannik1985]

Not with them, but with us. RF Armed Forces. Detained in 2020, does not admit guilt, the investigation is underway.

[Alf]

Quote: strannik1985

pleads not guilty

It would be surprising if he admitted.
"I admit my guilt, measure, degree, depth
And I ask you to send me to the next war
No war? I will take everything
Exile, hard labor, prison
But preferably in July
And, preferably, in the Crimea "...

[Vincent price]

Another author saw what the army is like, congratulations.

[timokhin-aa]

Do you have any idea who you wrote this about?

[Dedok]

The article is correct: how many times has the use of UAVs been discussed here?
each time there was only one feeling - "if money is not raised from such a project, then the army does not need it"!
The Ministry of Defense needs global projects, for which there may be a final increase in cost by several times, but it will be the production of UAVs or submarines - they don’t give a damn
look at what Kuzhegetovich's daughter is doing? And what is the budget for her classes

[Alf]

Quote: Dedok

"if money is not raised from such a project, then the army does not need it"!

[alleksSalut4507]

yes, when will it all "wake up"?

[Sergey39]

There are always problems in war. Here the battle was dismantled when We decided that we could enter calmly, without fighting at the first stage, but in fact Our intelligence pissed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had long turned into a Bandera symbiosis of the army! !(((

[commoner]

On each side, work is underway on the mistakes of both us and the Americans, especially since drones are their old strong point. It seems that everyone has taken into account, but in fact a lot of dirty tricks pop up. Maybe in this military operation, and after a while everything can be thrown into the trash . Yes, I read a review saying that a lot of money is spent on tank biathlons, but this is in vain because the best are being prepared for them in the units, that is, the military is improving their combat skills, we are seeing the result in Ukraine, one tank crew enters into battle with three tanks. Yes, and they are afraid to fight with dreams, the hothouse tactics of the Americans in a crowd and from around the corner. And I think there will be drones and walkie-talkies if we don’t use our foreign ones so far.

[Egg]

Quote: V.

the administrations of the regions from where the units were sent to Ukraine cannot help with unmanned vehicles, quadrocopters, batteries, communications equipment, since the army cannot cope.

regional administrations are extremely severely limited by budgets and legislation, step to the right, step to the left, landing for misuse of budget funds, organization
and an attempt to collect in non-budgetary funds, landing for fraud.

[UAZ 452]

Yes, it is easier and safer to lose a bunch of people killed, even lose the war, but do it in strict accordance with the law, orders and instructions. But to reduce losses, to win the war DESPITE the requirements of the regulatory framework, violating the instructions - they cannot be imprisoned for this, but they will definitely be imprisoned. This is one of the main problems of modern Russia, however, inherited from the USSR (and maybe from the Republic of Ingushetia) - the initiative is punishable, not smart ones are needed, but faithful and obedient, etc.

[Cowbra]

I have been saying for a long time - stop repeating foreign tales. UAVs in the first place - reconnaissance and adjustment, shove these drums up your ass - they only drive barmaley. When the army of reconnaissance UAVs is saturated, then we'll talk, but for now the bayraktars of the domestic spill are going through the forest, art plus intelligence is better by an order of magnitude

[SovAr238A]

as far as I know, all the Pantsyri that were destroyed in Syria and Libya were destroyed either by unmanned loitering ammunition or attacks from attack drones.
Barmaleev to drive yes?
The history of the use of strike UAVs and Loitering ammunition in the Armayan-Azerbaijani war - is it also zilch for you?

Didn't anyone tell you that the reconnaissance Orlans-10 were artisanally modernized by our own military to be able to drop F-1 grenades?

Once again I am convinced that hats in our country are so expensive ...
And the head was given to you not only to eat in it and wear a hat, but also to try to analyze the situation in the world over a long period.
Try to get it right!
You need to think with your head first.

[Cowbra]

Quote: SovAr238A

all the Pantsyri that were destroyed in Syria and Libya were destroyed

... exclusively on reloading when the ammunition is exhausted, which only speaks of the inability to use them. and the number of Bayraktars shot down in the same Libya, multiplied by their price, compared to single shells, multiplied by their price, differs by several orders of magnitude.
So what exactly to drive and only barmaley
Can you show the shells destroyed by the Bayraktars in Ukraine? Why? Yes, and it sucks with Syria - the allegedly destroyed Shells are not confirmed in any way, but it is confirmed that Khmeimim successfully repelled a hundred attacks, including UAVs - so again - only against barmaley and fit. So why, you say, do you need a head? After all, I cited facts, not slogans.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cowbra

Quote: SovAr238A

all the Pantsyri that were destroyed in Syria and Libya were destroyed

... exclusively on reloading when the ammunition is exhausted, which only speaks of the inability to use them. and the number of Bayraktars shot down in the same Libya, multiplied by their price, compared to single shells, multiplied by their price, differs by several orders of magnitude.
So what exactly to drive and only barmaley
Can you show the shells destroyed by the Bayraktars in Ukraine? Why? Yes, and it sucks with Syria - the allegedly destroyed Shells are not confirmed in any way, but it is confirmed that Khmeimim successfully repelled a hundred attacks, including UAVs - so again - only against barmaley and fit. So why, you say, do you need a head? After all, I cited facts, not slogans.

Find today's video of the destruction of our Tor air defense system on Snake Island...
It was destroyed by the same Bayraktar and the same Bayraktar shoots the video of the destruction.
This is reality.
And she's not just sad.
She's scary!
For Russia.

[strannik1985]

as far as I know, all the Pantsyri that were destroyed in Syria and Libya were destroyed either by unmanned loitering ammunition or attacks from attack drones.

This is exactly what was taken into account, despite the active use of UAVs, including strike ones, there are no special successes, it came to commercials from Syria and Karabakh.

Didn't anyone tell you that the reconnaissance Orlans-10 were artisanally modernized by our own military to be able to drop F-1 grenades?

In the UAV, the reconnaissance function is primary, the LCD camera on a stabilized platform is much more important, simply because the laser will quickly give coordinates for artillery, including Krasnopol. But it is advisable to use drums where the enemy still has medium and long-range air defense systems so as not to risk manned aircraft, and this is by no means Orlan-10, not the same weight category.

[UAZ 452]

The psychological, demoralizing effect of a kamikaze drone is an order of magnitude higher than artillery - you can try to detect, locate, suppress artillery. In any case, shoot back (if there is something and with what), but the drone flew in from above and blew you up, and at that time its operator was drinking beer somewhere tens of kilometers away, warm and safe. Risking your life without the ability to take the life of an opponent, feeling like a mob in a computer game... No psychological stability will last long. Yes, and you can prepare, train a drone operator ten times faster and cheaper than an artilleryman, tanker, competent infantryman: you take any computer nerd-gamer, put him at the simulator and the next day you can already in a real-virtual battle, to his delight and pleasure - not every day you get the opportunity to play a shooter with live targets, and it’s almost safe for your skin. Such foreign tales that have already become a reality ...

[Cowbra]

Bullshit. Now they are sitting in Avdiivka under shelling without a single opportunity to respond - and they feel like meat. Fuck you answer - just lean out - they will comb it out of the tank, and you can’t roll out heavy weapons against tanks under fire and into position. And from a drone, or even more so a kamikaze - dived into a trench - no one will spend kamikaze on a single fighter, especially without a guarantee of defeat - the ammunition is low-power. And the network of field fortifications - generally an impregnable target for kamikaze and UAVs - is too expensive and the power of ammunition is not enough even for a fox hole, only if you get into it yourself, which is unrealistic

[UAZ 452]

no one will spend kamikaze on a single fighter

This is really nonsense - even now it is clearly no more expensive than the fighter destroyed with its help. However, if we consider the cost of life of our soldiers according to the principle "women still give birth" ... And with mass production, their cost (drones, not fighters) will be even less, much less. Yes, and why without fail to kill everyone and everyone? It is enough to drive the personnel into the "network of field fortifications" (tanks and armored combat vehicles will not save - there are already anti-tank kamikazes, but by the way, they will fit against light field fortifications, and the aiming is much higher than that of a conventional artillery shell), completely depriving them initiatives, and get the current situation on the fronts of the NWO. I did not just write about the psychological, demoralizing impact of this type of weapon.

[Cowbra]

Quote: UAZ 452

This is really nonsense - even now it is clearly no more expensive than the fighter destroyed with its help.

More expensive. Yesterday, 800 VSUshnikov were destroyed? Let's multiply 800 by the cost. And compare with the artillery, which destroyed most of these 800. and again - nichrome will not help to pick out the UAV from the trench - too low-powered. But the mortar just can

[UAZ 452]

Why are you contrasting artillery and attack UAVs? By the way, such drones (loitering ammunition), by the way, are much closer in ideology to artillery than to "classical" aviation. In principle, artillery has one advantage - the lower cost of ammunition (and this is not a fact for guided projectiles), but the minuses - the gun that opened fire unmasked itself, and either quickly dumped into the fog or was suppressed, on the march the battery with personnel is clearly more visible than the UAV operators division. Arta needs external target designations, and the strike drone is its own reconnaissance. And "low-powered ammunition" is not an argument at all, like the caliber of an artillery shell, the power of a drone charge scales over a wide range, just the same for UAVs, unlike artillery ammunition, there is technically no upper limit. EW drone vulnerability? So an artillery battery, which has lost communications and target designation under the influence of the enemy’s electronic warfare, will not fight much, so noise immunity is important for everyone, and if not achieved, the war is lost anyway. So loitering ammunition is not a whim, but the sad and dangerous reality of modern warfare, which in no way detracts from the importance of artillery, but manned aviation drones (now I'm talking about all classes of UAVs, and not just loitering ammunition) are direct competitors, in terms of cost-effectiveness they will soon furnish it, if they don’t furnish it now, and this is without taking into account the factor of the loss of pilots.

[Cowbra]

Quote: UAZ 452

Why are you contrasting artillery and attack UAVs?

Funds are being pumped into them, and precisely to the detriment of everything else. And they swell only because of idiotic, sectarian tales about bayraktars! Where are these bayraktars, well, where are they in Ukraine? What did they interfere with? Nothing! Artillery - yes. Reconnaissance drones - yes, down below on the branch about a tank ambush on a motorcade of the Russian Federation. Fuck, they don’t need a shock one there, but the 1st tank with a light UAV - miraculously, they didn’t send the entire column to the forefathers!
Pisi, and for manned aviation, nichrome drones are not a competitor - where there is no air defense, the pilot will work better, and where there is no air defense, a slow UAV will be shot down. In addition, healthy and noticeable. And the small and inconspicuous simply will not carry as much as the manned one - it is not a competitor to aviation

[UAZ 452]

Let's distinguish between kamikaze drones (loitering ammunition) and "classic" strike UAVs. For the first - the future (by the way, they can be "based" in general dug into the ground, taking off at the command of the operator, which makes them essentially mines with a drop dead range), the second - it's hard to say, since they are larger, more expensive, more vulnerable than kamikaze . I also have doubts about drones of this class. Although it’s still better to shoot down a UAV than a board with a crew.

[Tavrik]

Everything is written correctly. This is where it goes. I'm waiting for the bosses to pay attention to computer games. In some WoT, you can learn a lot of interesting things in terms of interaction and situational awareness.

[timokhin-aa]

A typical question - in front of you is a house, floors 5-9, behind it is a tank close to the wall, civilians are in the house. Do you know anything better than a disposable strike UAV to destroy it from a place without falling under fire?

[Cowbra]

You described a police case, not an army one - a special operation to free the hostages. You will also offer shields to the army, as the "heavy" ones give out. Imagine - militants and hostages are mixed in the building - how to storm without a shield? This is a special tool with a narrow range of applications. Intelligence is needed everywhere and always.
And yet - you have not fully described. If the tank is alone, then you can just get close to it. and if militants are sitting with the hostages, then the building will still have to be demolished - AND NOT WITH UAVS - the example is unsuccessful - a drone is not needed there!

[UAZ 452]

Tank behind the house - police situation? However, the service of the policemen is difficult ... Something like that I have not seen in the criminal chronicles, but in the chronicles from the fronts of the Military Defense Forces, the situation of military equipment, artillery among residential buildings are constantly encountered.

[Cowbra]

Quote: UAZ 452

artillery among residential buildings are found constantly.

In that case, it's the same. If you destroy the 120th mortar, the ammunition load will explode - there will be nothing left next to the houses - and it doesn’t matter what you fired at - artillery or Lancet? Don't give a fuck - the lancet is more expensive. The tank, by the way, exploded under the house - look, there were such photos from Mariupol, the house was also demolished by half
See how tight it is with examples? And because as a highly specialized weapon. A scout is equally needed by mahr, tractor drivers, artillerymen ... Yes, everyone in general.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cowbra

Quote: UAZ 452

artillery among residential buildings are found constantly.

In that case, it's the same. If you destroy the 120th mortar, the ammunition load will explode - there will be nothing left next to the houses - and it doesn’t matter what you fired at - artillery or Lancet? Don't give a fuck - the lancet is more expensive. The tank, by the way, exploded under the house - look, there were such photos from Mariupol, the house was also demolished by half
See how tight it is with examples? And because as a highly specialized weapon. A scout is equally needed by mahr, tractor drivers, artillerymen ... Yes, everyone in general.

You have a hard time with a causal relationship ...
The economic feasibility of using weapons is not calculated by cost. There is a formula in your head: "the cost of the means of destruction <= the cost of the target" ... And in wartime, the formula "the cost of the means of destruction <= the cost of damage that the target can bring" works
Accordingly, the cost of a strike on some kind of Tochka-U launcher, which costs a penny in itself, and causes damage in the billions, can be measured in just billions. not pennies.

[Cowbra]

Quote: SovAr238A

You have a hard time with a causal relationship ...

And you did not understand at all what I wrote to you. I wrote that there are much cheaper tools that perform the same task, plus they perform it more confidently, and besides it, there is still a lot more capable of doing it.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cowbra

You described a police case, not an army one - a special operation to free the hostages. You will also offer shields to the army, as the "heavy" ones give out. Imagine - militants and hostages are mixed in the building - how to storm without a shield? This is a special tool with a narrow range of applications. Intelligence is needed everywhere and always.
And yet - you have not fully described. If the tank is alone, then you can just get close to it. and if militants are sitting with the hostages, then the building will still have to be demolished - AND NOT WITH UAVS - the example is unsuccessful - a drone is not needed there!

Attention question.
What is urban combat?
And how are we now and where are we now fighting and destroying enemy equipment?
Nakhvania of settlements, video from the battlefields - have you seen it at all?

To put it mildly, I am surprised - from such characters completely divorced from reality ...

[AdAstra]

Another voice crying in the wilderness.

[riwas]

Honestly, I don’t know if there were already similar oncoming tank battles during the campaign or not, but in any case, this is the most important combat experience.

A counter tank battle, although it happens, is rare. Usually when facing ambushes. When an enemy is detected, they seek to immediately use artillery and, if possible, aviation.

[AdAstra]

Obviously everyone remained in Syria.

[Dick]

The question is serious, the gaps are obvious. Decisions needed urgently

[Antonina Ignatenko]

The first competent article on VO for the entire time of the war. The rest is some posts on someone's private channel.

[alexzeit]

how hard to read, looks like machine translation.

[Ivanov IV]

I had to learn to read in kindergarten. It is late now.

[Alexey RA]

The only battalion that has a full-fledged unified integrated digital closed communication system for the infantry and its combat vehicles is the 14 BtrO "Ghost" of the LPR ...

Duc ... Murz pecked at the leadership and brought to the public the problems of communication in NM since 2015. And it looks like he solved this problem with his own.

[Timofey Charuta]

... That is not there, this is not enough. There is only one answer - the market (capitalist) economy of Russia is much weaker than the American + NATO. Superiority can only be provided in certain positions, such as Iskanders or Zircons. The rest is leftover. The lag could be partially blocked due to the high operational art on the battlefield, which is not observed.

Under Uncle Joe, the oligarchs did not take strolling girls to the Bahamas on expensive yachts in the Great Patriotic War (due to the absence of both the oligarchs themselves, as well as yachts for a hundred lemons of bucks, the girls, however, were there then), but one Chelyabinsk plant riveted more tanks, than the whole of Germany with its allies. Then it was - everything for the front, everything for the Victory! The whole country, from the most famous actors, singers to collective farmers, collected money for tank columns, for airplanes.
And now? How many tank columns and UAVs for the front were pooled by bankers, countless office plankton, daring show business with its stupid laughs on every occasion? They have such a concern, there is only one concern - natyrit, mow down the dough hidden from the tax and go offshore. Until the US sanctions bloodhounds sniff it all out and take it away.

Playing with the West in its games with a market economy in a Western way, Russia will definitely lose, there will not be enough money for a modern war.

[Looking for]

Serious article. And very necessary.

[Flyer_64]

Respect to the author. The topic has been raised very well. Even in terms of the number of downed UAVs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, everything says that Ukraine uses UAVs 4 times more. THIS is both reconnaissance and adjustment of artillery fire, escort of attacks and DRGs. There are enough UAV structures in the staff of the RF Armed Forces, the question is why there is no mass use of UAVs in the interests of a military operation. The Ukrainian side even uses UAVs to disguise the Bayraktars, the information is accurate from air defense specialists, and also provides cover for the raid of the SRZO facilities (Chernobaevka is a confirmation of this). In addition to UAVs, airborne electronic intelligence is used very narrowly. For example, at one time the advertised Ka-31 helicopter ?? Too bad they're not that good. Once upon a time there were both helicopters and hearing planes (reconnaissance radio), they were actively used in Afghanistan and Chechnya. For some reason, mostly ground-based systems. When the Chechens arrived in Mariupol, they did not have aerial reconnaissance equipment, but the battalion had the east. Delimkhanov asked Kadyrov and he bought it and sent it to them. And who will buy quadrocopters for military units of the RF Armed Forces ?? There are a lot of questions on modern tactics of maintaining a database.

[d4rkmesa]

The Ka-31, like all helicopters of the "family", is extremely capricious in maintenance, plus the equipment itself. And they can’t work around the clock, a maximum of a couple of flights for 2-3 hours a day, as far as I remember, there is not a sufficient number. In addition, they are all formally in the Navy, a matter of interaction, again ...

[Flyer_64]

Then the question is, why such helicopters? I can say for sure that the fleet, or rather the forces of the fleet, are subordinate to a single command in the NWO. Yes, and the Ka-31 showed itself perfectly in ostentatious exercises back in 20. With the complex use of all means of electronic (location) reconnaissance, 2-3 departures per day are quite enough. Yes, and A-50s, as you can see, we don’t have very many, they save the resource.

[Ilya_Nsk]

thermal imagers .. these are not khukhrs-muhrs for you, we even bought them for tanks from the French! where will we buy now? But we need modern, light, highly sensitive, economical, and these are rare earths, clean production, accuracy according to the 14th class .. All this is not easy, just "cut" the budget

[Tavrik]

By the way, thermal imagers and much more necessary and useful were purchased under Serdyukov. Well, he shook up our Sun and the defense industry.

[acetophenone]

NO ONE ANSWERS FOR ANYTHING.
NO ONE
NEVER
NEVER
No, maybe someone thinks that they gathered somewhere in a corner, talked and smeared their foreheads with green paint in the basement. Or sent in a box with holes in a secret prison. Forever and ever. Do you believe in it? Me neither.
You see, systems without feedback do not work. Rather, only those where there is a stick and a carrot work. And where the gingerbread and two gingerbread - they do not work.
And what is happening now is not the work of the system, but reflex actions. In fact. Belatedly.
And there is no higher nervous activity. Or she - like that gopher - is, but we do not see her.

[Evgesha]

That's right.
Our civil servants are not responsible for anything and do not bear any responsibility!!!!!
To get under punishment, you have to screw up very, very hard .. just screw up such a masterpiece.

Here is a simple example - President Medvedev approved that the blood alcohol content should be ZERO!! and nothing else! Deviation from zero is a punishment.
How many people fell under such punishment - is unknown.
But a new president came and canceled the alcohol zero.
It was recognized that this indicator could not be an absolute zero.
And what, Medvedev suffered some kind of punishment???
He passed the law, which was moronic, and he had nothing for it!!!!
This iPhone lover didn’t even publicly acknowledge his cant and didn’t apologize to everyone.
It turns out that in our country a civil servant can twirl as he wants - they can fire him at most .. and to punish - you have to try hard., just on purpose !!!!

[perm18]

Well, the head of the country cannot understand everything and why he should be punished. After all, someone brought this proposal to him, developed it, proved it. Here he signed it. Maybe those who gave it were punished, but he is to blame.

[Fenix844]

Quote: V.

Why don’t the administrations of the regions from where the units are sent to Ukraine help with unmanned vehicles, quadrocopters, batteries, communications equipment, since the army cannot cope.

Seriously?
Do you have any idea how this will be done? IMHO, in the best traditions of modernity. Namely: the administration will throw a cry and start collecting from state employees (civil servants, doctors, teachers, social workers, etc.) 500 rubles each. Promising for failure problems at work. Not only that, not all of our citizens are satisfied with the implementation of the CBO, but imagine how many of them will be added after such extortions.
And this despite the fact that the oligarchs you mentioned are not going to be pinched (in any case, I personally have not read about this anywhere yet).
So the way you suggested is...

[Evgesha]

And nothing that students have 500 rubles from the scholarship deducted for "assistance to refugees" ????
So doctors and others are bullshit.
Students who have a scholarship of only 1700 rubles are even put on shoes for 500 rubles.

[Wildcat]

The epigraph to the article would be better to choose the saying:
"How much has not been done, how much is not being done, and how much remains to be done!"
So or:
"There is no time for swinging!"

It makes no sense.
Even in terms of UAVs, the solution to the problem in the form of "buy in a store" is the lot of enthusiasts like Murza.
And everything is so. The reasons are clear and unchangeable.
The only question is what will happen and when "after the NWO".

[FoBoss_V]

I am more than sure that all this can be done, and even in a short time. Russia has almost everything for this. There is only one thing missing, the desire of the country's top leadership to change something for the better. And this is the key point. And that means everything will be the old fashioned way, all the same in the arena, slowly and not shaky, will cut colossal budgets, show the tsar experimental samples at various exhibitions and salons and name the dates for their series, which will move annually for another year. And at this time, the states in their AO and PAO will be inflated, gaskets and control concerns such as the drones of the KMP will be created, into which relatives, sidekicks, sidekicks, and already their relatives will be recruited. There will be good salaries , bonuses and bonuses . And again in a circle, exhibitions, salons and hangouts. And the workers in the factories both received 40 thousand and will continue to receive it. Vocational education has been completely killed, the higher engineering school trains managers. Young people do not go because of salaries, no support and prospects. Factory directors bring their stupid buddies to the deputies who understand production like pigs in oranges. This rotten system needs to be changed. Introduce personal criminal liability for managers for marriage and postponement of deadlines, simplify the pricing system in the state government because what we have now is a complete PPC. To help factories with targeted financing, many need to change equipment, machine park, but due to the fact that dogoz cuts prices, there are no working capital. Remove wild salaries of ministers and the apparatus, set a maximum of 10 times the working average level. In short, a lot of things can be done if you show the will of the leader, the patriotism of a true Russian person, and not a wrung out rag. Tired of looking at all this shushara in our military-industrial complex from year to year and seeing how they squander the country's defense capability with impunity

[perm18]

I do NOT completely agree with you. What is in power. ORDER and what is from him, and who will execute. Who check ask and do who???. someone ran smarter a long time ago to the west back in 90. someone created his own and does not care about the country. Hard workers all want to work less and get more at the checkpoints, everything is crammed with personal cars. The people think only of themselves and their pockets, An order can be issued not only by one, but who will execute it.

[kill the fascist]

As the history of our state has shown for the period from the October Revolution to the death of I.V. Stalin - if there is a desire and firm leadership in the country, then the solution of any tasks is within the reach. I will not argue that the current leadership "blundered everything." Money was allocated for the army and rearmament was carried out. But there are many but also a lot of questions for both the leadership of the country and the leadership of the army. It's a shame that it would be possible to reduce the most important losses - the losses of our soldiers, but, alas.

[stankow]

And what a successful application in the penultimate photo. 13 gaps, all undershot, but the whole car is worth it ??

[Common sense]

issues of management, intelligence, UAVs

Nothing changes - the wars are new, but the questions remain the same old ...
Intelligence, communications, control, interaction - everything, as always, is lame on both legs.
And this is after so many years of "training" in Syria, endless exercises in the Russian Federation and Belarus, and taking into account (or, as always, they gave up on this?) The experience of the latest war in Karabakh, where Azerbaijan showed what success can be achieved with the help of UAVs.
Again we learn everything from scratch, on the blood of our own soldiers.
It’s just interesting how our General Staff imagined a war with the regular army of any other state until February 24.02.2022, XNUMX?
Now there are so many complaints that the vile Americans are helping the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yes, they help! So what? And if we had to fight not with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but with NATO, then what if there was no chance at all, or what? It turns out that we are not able to adequately respond to the threats of a serious adversary in the face of the United States? Is there really no way to counter the intelligence agencies of the NATO bloc? And then how to fight with them?

[Sedoy]

From the report of the Novorossiya Aid Coordination Center (KCPN) of 2019 (references 1, 2, the report itself - 3):
"This problem is especially acute in connection with the receipt by the enemy of modern Javelin anti-tank systems ... In fact, the only means of combating this kind of anti-tank enemy weapons is the extremely coordinated joint actions of tanks, infantry, artillery and UAVs, which should ensure early detection of maneuverable groups of calculations Enemy ATGMs (UAVs) ... the enemy, on a competitive basis, is mass-equipping its armored units with MOTOTRBO standard closed digital communications systems integrated into tank intercoms of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles ...
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From the report of the KCPN (2019, on the situation in the corps of the armed forces of the DPR and LPR):
"... by the fall of 2018, the enemy had launched a massive use of UAVs of various types in solving a wide variety of tasks. According to the participants in the air war on our part, the Armed Forces of Ukraine keep as many devices in the air at the same time as there are in principle ... in 5-7 minutes after the start of any major battle, an enemy spotter appears in the air, and the work of enemy artillery is greatly simplified.

those. The political generals had information two years before the "special" ...
and judging by the results - she was completely fucked ...
there is no other way to explain why armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks have not been modernized during this time to the same state as that of dill - to equip them with a thermal and television guidance channel, a computer with a laser rangefinder, digital secure communications at the same time ...
but such a budgetary modernization would cost less than spending on air darts, tank biathlons and other assaults on the plywood Reichstag ...
but what kind of temple was rebuilt ... there will be a funeral service ...

[Ivanov IV]

But about the "Temple", really insanity. So much dough banged and very quickly.
I think it would be right to dress the entire General Staff in cassocks. It would be more visible.
Or maybe send them all to the Front!!!

[tank64rus]

In Saratov, on the site of the RKhBZ school destroyed by the "reformer" Taburetkin, a monastery was opened. Now we are fighting COVID with a cross and prayer, and against NATO with a censer.

[Crisp]

It is a pity that the sound reasoning of the author (I have no doubt about his competence) is not read at the headquarters and in the arms departments of the Moscow Region. What was our Russian classic shouting there?
N. S. Leskov that the British do not clean their guns with a brick. Nothing changes.

[Puzoter]

How much did they sing to us about our "unparalleled in the world" drones and loitering ammunition, but in fact, it turned out to be nonsense? First of all, PR people would have to tear off their heads for this, but it’s not for ordinary citizens to do this. They write that the enemy has deployed artillery in urban areas, well, take the loitering ammunition and destroy it, but no, as the pehrura went, it goes on, as they wet it with hail over the area, and they wet it. Why was it necessary to whistle then about these ammunition. Heroes are shown every day. This is good and right. But damn it, show the use of these things of yours, otherwise for now it seems that they were lying all that time, and now we are pulling out the war again at the expense of the roly-company.

[cat hippopotamus]

Unfortunately, everything is as always, as we wanted to use the potty, so we can’t find toilet paper. All this should have been done yesterday, because today the NWO is already underway and these problems can no longer be solved on the move. It would seem that it is not such an expense item, to provide spare parts and consumables with what is in operation and we cannot provide it properly. But this is online intelligence and how much it can save the lives of our guys.

[Alexander Vanichev]

Where are the scientific companies where university graduates went to serve? What real thing was created by these prodigies? Or was it originally started for the sons of generals and officials?

[power day]

A shame. The troops are openly asking for a drone and trucks for them.
Where are the father commanders looking?!
It's a shame for the country((

[ananias mudishev]

And they said that our army is 80% new and modernized.

[TatarinSSSR]

We have two armies. One is for parades - it is modernized. And the second one is for SVO, it’s from the 90s.

[power day]

Gentlemen, the batteries are not soldered, but spot welded.

[Daverk]

Yes, they are driving to Ukraine from all over the world - drones, encryption and communication systems, instructors!
The same crap was observed in Afghanistan.

[TatarinSSSR]

Today Rostec or someone similar there announced that the development of small UAVs such as a quadrocopter has begun for the needs of the army.... IT'S DONE! The Great Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, more than 30 years after its founding, suddenly realized with its brains that the army needed a quadcopter with a camera and a thermal imager! As they say, through thorns to the stars, or rather to the drones. It took dozens of columns and positions of Russian troops broken from Ukrainian ambushes, hundreds of dead military personnel - to understand that a quadcopter with a camera could warn in advance and detect the enemy and the ambush and firing positions. And that it is needed en masse!

[EvilLion]

The author obviously has a very poor idea of ​​the size of the territories that need to be explored in order to accurately detect an ambush. A drone can only be sent to where the presence of the enemy is expected, i.e. there is already some intelligence information. And just flying over a forest or village in the hope of finding a hidden tank, excuse me, but only if you are lucky, or there must be dozens of these drones, as well as people working with them. I don’t even raise the question of what this whole flock will emit in such a way that only the ringing is worth it. Well, the enemy, of course, will not fight them. Do not knock down or interfere. Even minidrones can easily withstand systems like “shells”. There are even special mini-missiles for this. This relates to the question of how important our military considers the topic of drones.

At the same time, the problem has long been noted in the much richer United States, when all this network-centricity in fact turns out to be a fiction, units maintain radio silence, stop for a communication session, deploy equipment, then collapse again. It was possible to purchase 100 thousand drones on Aliexpress, but their effectiveness is greatly exaggerated, and a sudden meeting of significant enemy forces is simply a fact of war.

And when you see videos from drones, it’s precisely because there was a drone in the episode that you see it, and cases where no one had any drones, or they were shot down/suppressed, i.e. most likely 95 % of the time remain only in the memories of the participants. Typical anthropic principle and survivor's fallacy

[certero]

The Mavik era will not end soon. Because there is still no way to combat them

[svoit]

Quote: Volkof

There is NO concept of modern combined arms combat.

Somewhat not military, but I would like to know what is written in the combat manuals about the actions of units in the offensive or defensive?

[svoit]

Quote from powerday

The troops are openly asking for a drone and trucks for them.

The troops calculated a lot of other things, much more mundane, such as helmets, armored armor, rubber boots, and collimator sights with thermal imagers too.

[alzheimer]

It kills... interdepartmentalism... and the absence of a responsible person... for everything... in a specific direction. We have forgotten how to make decisions. Sadly.

[Hyper_X]

I’m just wondering when the river of naive articles here will dry up?
Authors first need to understand economics and finance, and only then other issues.
they need to read about the history of Boeing, Lockheed Martin and others...
Understand whether these are private or state-owned companies... Find out at what percentage and for what period foreign military companies take out loans from banks... etc...

Until we have a normal Western economy, there will be no supply of something modern and technological, it’s simply...premature...

Welcome to Africa....The king has long been known.

[ch28k38]

A number of questions arose. Is 6 tanks a large group? Then a tank company is just an armada. Is the lieutenant in command of the squad? So incompetent that they didn’t trust him with the platoon?

[Backbone]

I would also like to ask about the advertising of our electronic warfare Mercury, Lever... everything is beautiful on TV, but not in reality. About how we see any plane taking off or landing within a radius of 8 km - according to Zvezda, in reality - flying into our territory right in front of our noses.. It’s a pity that much is not used in reality, but more for beautiful pictures.

[Akuzenka]

Reality and TV. Very different things. After 30 years, you still haven’t understood?

[intuzazist]

There is L-410,
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Are these Elki made in Czech Republic??? Those from MVL??! And how can they be carriers??? Their ceiling is 3500! The interior is not sealed! The crew will not be able to breathe higher.....

[Akuzenka]

“everything was stolen” only from the reports on “Russia-24”))) I don’t even really mention how much money was spent on all our “developments”, where is it all and where are the culprits...

Watch TV. They are all shown there. They are not hiding.

[Akuzenka]

Unfortunately, the modernization of a number of models of our equipment went according to the “economy option”, and neither the BTR-80A nor the modernized BMP-1 received thermal imagers. The presence of a thermal imager in this combat episode would have made it possible to immediately detect the tank and destroy it.

I don’t understand the author’s complaints at all. Well, they didn’t provide it, well, sometimes “Women give birth.” What has changed since RI? Nothing. The bourgeoisie warmed their paws, and they warm them with blood. Now is the most fertile time for them. I don't want to "croak". It's not them who will defeat us. "Our" bourgeois will defeat us." And you will applaud them until they take away their money. And they will kill us. I hate it.

[perm18]

Again the bourgeoisie is to blame for everything. and who did they come from Mars? They all grew up among us and went to kindergartens and schools together. and during the USSR there were the same ones, and during the Second World War there were those who stole and rowed. and there are no guarantees that tomorrow YOU or I, sitting in the chair of an official or businessman, we will not think about our pockets, but about the state and buy a new car for our wife, mistress, and not invest in the country’s production

[Dimon-chik-79]

You know, it’s like cleaning the streets during the first snowfall, we are always not ready for it) Straight from Chernomyrdin

The same situation is here, again 41 years old, and we are not ready! And the most disgusting thing is that we have experience but we don’t use it, Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Ossetia, Donbass, Syria, Karabakh!!!, especially Karabakh and here again... how this happens is beyond my comprehension. Why were you not ready?! Why again do volunteers have to raise funds for drones, thermal imagers, radio stations for the armies of the people's militia, when all this stuff flows like a river in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where is it all for the Army itself?! So many ambushes, for example, could have been avoided, so many captures and deaths!
And in general, to find yourself in such an operation practically without a sufficient number of different types of UAVs (reconnaissance, attack ones such as “Pacer”, ideally, and “Okhotnik” would be very useful) with long-outdated military equipment in the form of BMP-1,2, BTR- 80, BMD-2, MTLB, with unarmored trucks this is criminal negligence and sloppiness! And again we have to take the bravery and heroism of the soldiers and the competent selfless actions of the officers!

[perm18]

This is how the whole West supplies Banderlogs. and we only have to rely on ourselves. And who is to blame, we are all to blame. that we decided in the 90s that we don’t need to produce our own, we’ll buy everything

[anclevalico]

We can state the fact that the main problem is the plush Minister of Defense, who does not understand at all what he is doing. And is he doing it? He’s good at rattling medals at parades, but when it came down to it, it was a complete mess. And, as before, “everything is going as planned.” Then I would gather all the mothers whose boys died due to his stupidity. Let them “thank” him, as Klebanov did in his time, for “Kursk”. I remember how it flowed around.

[Alexander Gurin]

In general, all the “birth pains” of the Russian army have been evident since the time of “Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea.” Some kind of curse... Why create yet another tank armada if there are clearly and humiliatingly few modern means of warfare? The author has not yet said anything about the means of counter-battery warfare and the banality called “interaction”.... In general, someone once correctly said: “Generals are always preparing for the last war...” For us this is the Second World War, here’s to it and got ready. If it's not all right...