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Shooting from firearms: to be able or not to be able?

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Shooting from firearms: to be able or not to be able?


The problem of owning a gunshot weapons over the years has been, and now remains extremely acute. And there is nothing to be surprised at. Currently, the population of the Russian Federation has more than seven million gun barrels in their hands. But the problem is that a very small part of the owners really know how to handle it. And when a critical situation arises, most owners cannot properly use their weapons. But even if he manages to open fire in order to defend the enemy, this shooting is ineffective, and instead of a stopping effect, it leads to even greater aggression. Do not forget that the misuse of firearms can cause not only injuries, but also death, and the owner is held criminally liable.

Therefore, it makes sense to talk about where you can learn the proper handling of firearms.

Learning to shoot is much more important than possessing a weapon. Therefore, it is necessary to seek help from specialists who will teach the main skills used in shooting, will teach you how to effectively shoot and use weapons in self-defense.

Currently, there are a significant number of schools and courses where experienced professionals will help learn how to feel the weapon. In this class, they can last as one day or several months. Let us dwell in more detail on each of these courses.

So, courses offering long-term education, as a rule, have two types of systematic classes - for beginners and for advanced shooters.

The first type is characterized by small groups of 3-5 people, lasts about two months, and classes are held several times a week for a couple of hours. During this course, everyone will be able to gain knowledge of what types of shooting and weapons exist, learn how to properly handle it, become familiar with the safety rules when shooting, and will also be able to gain some practical shooting skills. The end of the course is a mandatory exam.

In the course of the second course, the groups already consist of three people, the classes also last two months. At this stage, students continue to get acquainted with various shooting techniques and develop skills in possession of firearms. Upon completion, a mandatory exam is also taken.

If there is not enough time for such a very long course, you can attend a one-day training course, which gives you the opportunity to learn well, how much you can say, handle a weapon, and also gain basic knowledge of its effective use. The program of the course includes such items as the legal basis for the use of firearms, safety engineering in its application, the rules of maintenance and care, formed the basic skills of shooting. At this stage, experts talk about how to properly hold a gun, how to prepare for shooting, how to quickly grab a pistol, and also teach high-speed shooting. In addition, the program also includes such factors as the psychological basis of behavior in the event of an armed threat, as well as the technique of selecting and blocking weapons.

Course duration is only six hours. And its cost is not very high - within 3-6 thousand rubles.

In order to listen to such a course, you must have a passport, firearm authorization, the weapon itself, and be dressed in comfortable clothes. In this case, not only men can attend the course, but also women.

For those who have successfully completed a shooting course, an “advanced course” may be offered, during which more attention is paid not to theory, but to the practical use of weapons.

A few words should be said about the method of training for shooting, developed by experts of the Federal Guard Service of Russia, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and special forces of the armed forces of the state.

All programs that are developed on the basis of these methods comply with Russian legislation, and also take into account the technical capabilities of civilian, service and military weapons and the level of training of trainees. Such shooting courses, as a rule, consist of three stages: basic, advanced and specialization course. At the first, basic, stage, the basics of shooting, initial, basic knowledge are taught. In addition, at this stage, training is conducted shooting from different positions at a static and moving target. The second stage, advanced, pays special attention to tactics, that is, training is given in which situations and how weapons can be used. In addition, at this stage, an intuitive shooting course is conducted.

And finally, the third stage - the course of specialization - is carried out depending on the objectives of training, and also on the basis of the specifics of the tasks that must be performed.

Of course, having a firearm, you need to be able to use it correctly. But I really want to hope that sometime this time will come when the need for it will disappear, when it will not be terrible to appear on the streets of cities at night, when the legislative system will be able to protect its citizens from violence.

Materials used:
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=446100&cid=7
http://center-vityaz.com/kurs/obuchenie_strelbe.php
http://wayofwarrior.com/shooting/
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  1. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 3 October 2012 09: 37
    +2
    Even with a stick you need to be able to handle ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 3 October 2012 12: 49
      +1
      to be able to, you must have, and devote several hours a week to skill
      1. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 3 October 2012 14: 47
        +7
        mongoose
        to be able to, you must have, and devote several hours a week to skill


        Which does not help.
        I remember the institute’s history. We stand in a dash and shoot from the PM. At one cadet a misfire was taught what to do for half a year: a barrel in a target, a report to the shooting leader.
        Isn’t it difficult?
        It turns out difficult - the student takes and looks into the barrel !!! fellow
        But the most interesting thing was not a misfire, but a protracted shot (a rare occurrence, in my memory one case).
        Little did not convey to the head. He reposted the theory for half a year.
        After we sit and smoke, I ask: "Do you hear the Hedgehog, but why the hell did you look into the trunk, is it dark there?" fool
        Answers: "I do not know." request
        So, there will be many stupid deaths. yes
  2. erased
    erased 3 October 2012 09: 41
    +4
    To be able to shoot and not have a personal weapon is a little illogical. Yes, well, if you get into the tens. Or you perform complex exercises during and with the right amount of points. But all this is zero if you are without a trunk.
    In modern conditions, more important is the skill of hand-to-hand combat in the full sense of the word (and not just bare arms and legs against bare arms and legs).
    If suddenly next year the amendments to the law on weapons are adopted and they are allowed to have short-barreled rifled and smooth-bore weapons. But for now it’s a pitchfork on the water.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 October 2012 14: 43
      +3
      The other day I met the inscription on the glass of the car: "Better an old TT than judo and karate"!
      Come with your gun ... That's interesting, but where to get it?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 3 October 2012 19: 26
        +1
        Merit - reward. wassat
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 October 2012 00: 19
          +1
          Well ... maybe only posthumously! wink
        2. IGR
          IGR 4 October 2012 00: 30
          +1
          get the general first - and then they will reward
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 30 October 2014 10: 55
            0
            Major. But this is only in theory. It's easier to become a deputy, this "best" part of society can use any pistol. I saw with my own eyes the "deputy" PYa and GSh - 18 with engraving. IMHO. The deputies do not drink, they are not drug addicts, they are mentally healthy, they don’t take bribes. Unlike all other citizens of Russia!
  3. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 3 October 2012 10: 18
    +2

    Being able to shoot and not have a personal weapon is a little illogical
    but what about military service, it’s also illogical, you need to be able to do many things, for example, I can knit, in life this is essentially not really necessary, but I can, but I need to be able to handle weapons ... but everything in life will come in handy, any skills ...
    1. erased
      erased 3 October 2012 10: 36
      +3
      In the army, the machine gun was a standard weapon. Do not confuse it with civilian weapons. You can be able to knit, embroider, solder, hammer nails, goats, print, glue stamps.
      But the article is about the skill necessary for personal safety. A skill is good if the weapon itself is attached to it. Otherwise, the meaning of the skill is lost.
      It’s like knowing how to drive a car and not have a car. That is, the ability to grow, in the future. If she will.
      1. Region65
        Region65 20 October 2012 15: 50
        +1
        yes, yes, it’s the same as going to the seashore, digging your face in the sand and let's learn to swim :))))
    2. Ramses_IV
      Ramses_IV 3 October 2012 10: 42
      +1
      Military service is not at all a guarantee of the ability to handle weapons. I have a bunch of acquaintances who served in the army (including the Marine Corps) and none of them produced more than 60 (!) Cartridges from AK-74 during the service. As if a reason to think ...
      1. k4-triff
        k4-triff 3 October 2012 13: 16
        +6
        I confirm. During a year of service in the guards unit (if that still means something ...) I shot only 90 rounds of ammunition (two magazines from a "full-size" AK-74, one from a "ksenia"). But now I can wash the floors faster and more efficiently than any housewife, hmm.
        If on the subject - to be able to shoot is not useless in any case. True, with our legislation on self-defense and possession of a firearm, it is much more important to have good hand-to-hand fighting skills ... and be able to run fast.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 3 October 2012 19: 28
          0
          From the 28th, you can safely bring down the attackers and you won’t have anything) They took it over.
        2. Region65
          Region65 20 October 2012 15: 52
          0
          here, I remember in the 90s there was still a joke - the guy after the army entered the institute, he is offset by geometry, he goes to the blackboard, draws a circle so even that it wouldn’t work out with a compass .. well, the professor asks him , where do they say such skills? and I, says a servant, spent two years in the army twisting a meat grinder :)))
    3. Region65
      Region65 20 October 2012 15: 47
      0
      in the mid-late 90s, in most cases in the army they taught hazing, peeling potatoes and karshaniya grass ... in those years I had a sidekick from the army (he went first) and all sat drunk boasting, "they say I'm a man and you guys are here ... ".... I asked him - hey, warrior, and you honestly, how many times did you hold a machine gun in your hands ......? the answer was amazing - once and then on the oath ....... well, which of him is a warrior? so it was not always possible to learn in the army all the same, and the difference is that I was shooting from the age of 12 while hunting with my father, and from the age of 16 I knew the Kalashnikov assault rifle as our father when I joined the military-patriotic club ... Well, and then more or less I won't tell you where :))))) but my friend who had served from the army before me returned and didn’t fumble about a shit on military affairs ... to give him his due - he drank vodka in the summer and matanul on the Smoke’s contract, and by the way, 12 years have passed and still serves in the army, the border guard :))) now he can tell me something :))) has every moral right to do so ... although he is younger in rank :)
  4. Suvorov000
    Suvorov000 3 October 2012 11: 28
    +3
    It is better to carry a weaving nail with you and learn how to work with it like a stiletto than, as it was said above, to be able and not to have it, and even if you work correctly, you will neutralize even a person with a barrel faster than he gets the barrel. Yes, and legally you are not charged with anything, self-defense by improvised means: "there was a nail lying on the ground, I used it"
  5. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 3 October 2012 13: 16
    +8
    On this topic, the most important thing is to distinguish between the ability to shoot at a target and the ability to use a weapon for self-defense. These are completely different things. In defense, the battle distance usually does not exceed 2-5 meters. Time is extremely limited. Based on this, the skills of quickly removing weapons, correctly gripping and quickly bringing it into a combat state are trained. Only then does it become possible to inflict damage on the enemy. For self-defense, as a rule, complexes of this orientation are trained. Classes are held daily, until 120-150 repetitions of the complex of movements are reached. Strengthening the skill for another 20-30 repetitions in various situations. After that, it is enough to work out the complex once a week and it will be "on the machine." All one-day courses are a waste of money that is not useful.
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 4 October 2012 12: 17
      +1
      "the battle distance usually does not exceed 2-5 meters"

      I believe that in such an environment (usually living quarters or gates) the best way to shoot from the abdomen, waist, elbow is pressed to the body. I especially recommend the fragile girls, I saw how the pistols when they kick back into the sky they shoot.
      1. Region65
        Region65 20 October 2012 15: 56
        +1
        I once saw a girl shoot at me from a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... moreover, she started to shoot at the target, but I just stood behind her ....... like this, up the arc from the trench, she has a trunk up to me and came :)))) I was really lucky, but the instructor who was standing next to me shot my earlobe belay
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 3 October 2012 14: 41
    +6
    The answer to this question is unequivocal - yes, be able. But for this it is necessary to instill in our compatriots nothing more than weapon culture. And it is with us, as the practice of owning traumatic weapons has shown, unfortunately, is not at the proper height ...
    They may object to me - but they say, in the United States too ... In the United States, let them walk on their heads. We live here in Russia. And we must be able to handle weapons ...
    What needs to be done in order to instill a culture of gun ownership for our citizens? .. For starters, at least return the NVP to schools. That the person as soon as possible received the skills of handling weapons. This is useful. I know from my own experience ... Disassembling and assembling a machine in our school was taught from the 4th grade. From the age of 12 he studied in the rifle section. So the rules for handling weapons were stuck in my head no worse than the multiplication table ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 3 October 2012 14: 57
      +1
      This is what school they taught disassembling a machine with grade 4? Zarnitsa and that for the older was ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 3 October 2012 18: 31
        +2
        Our military instructor conducted optional classes, which any student of the school could attend starting from grade 4. Than I immediately took advantage ... wink And for which he bowed low to me ...
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 October 2012 22: 43
        +2
        Hmm. This is probably where how. In one school, we even had drill reviews from the 1st grade))) In another, from the 4th grade, each class was assigned a sergeant from the military unit - combatant, materiel of weapons (machine gun, assault rifle, carbine, pistol). "Zarnitsa" - after every quarter. Weapons were issued, shooting (blank, of course), cleaning - all in an adult way))) When I started shooting with combatants, I don't remember for some reason. My younger brother is 12 years old, I remember that. AND! Remembered! The first time I fired live ammunition from the PM at the age of 6 - my father came home from some sort of duty, threw a belt with a holster in the "big room" and, of course, I immediately took out a pistol, removed it from the safety lock, took aim through the window into the drain in the yard , and ... Pi.pets, hard descent at the PM! Shot! Half a window - fuck. Father jumped out of the bedroom - alive? Alive ... He took the gun and went to sleep. And then there was a "debriefing"! Since then, in principle, there was no need to teach me anything about TB when handling weapons)))
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 October 2012 17: 22
      +4
      What needs to be done in order to instill a culture of gun ownership for our citizens? .. For starters, at least return the NVP to schools. That the person as soon as possible received the skills of handling weapons. This is useful. I know from my own experience ..

      Of course BE ABLE, before in all schools there were shooting ranges, where in the order of NVP all students fired from small things ...
      Disassembly and assembly of the machine in our school was taught from grade 4. From the age of 12 he studied in the rifle section.

      sections were, but Kalash was taught to disassemble from the 8th grade.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 3 October 2012 18: 35
        +1
        There was no shooting gallery at our school. Not foreseen by the project. But there was a rifle section in the city sports palace, which took those whose age reached 12 years ...
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 21 October 2012 22: 28
          +1
          My school was also not provided. But - it was necessary. Shooting range equipped bluntly in the basement. A bit low, but for shooting it will do. And nothing, they shot!) There would be a desire.
      2. viktorR
        viktorR 4 October 2012 11: 32
        +1
        Well, I don’t know, in the sixth grade, we sorted it out. Although this was no longer Soviet time.
    3. mongoose
      mongoose 4 October 2012 10: 24
      0
      and injuries and gazushki should be prohibited, they greatly reduce the level at which they grab the trunk. not lethal type!
    4. Uruska
      Uruska 4 October 2012 19: 03
      +1
      In the 1977 year, at the 1 school course, no one asked if I knew how to disassemble the Kalashnikov .. They just gave it in their hands - the time went. The knowledge of the machine was so natural (no one asks if I knew how much 2x2 will be)
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 October 2012 22: 50
        +1
        Shopy.pec! And in our VVUZ they studied it beforehand) And "time has passed!" - this is already on the "test". It is clear that the cadets went through the CWP after school, the "soldiers" also managed to serve in the army, and the "cadets" already knew everything - but all the same, first theory, then practice, and then "test". The technique, however!)))
    5. rereture
      rereture 13 February 2013 22: 34
      +1
      At the school of which I studied the assembly and disassembly of AK - grades 5-11, it goes like a military-patriotic education, and a lot of activities are conducted. But pneumatic shooting - only on holidays wink
  7. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 3 October 2012 14: 55
    +2
    If you want to shoot, sign up to the section if you find it!
    But hoping for a trunk in a dark alley - no, it won’t help! It’s better to hire bodyguards and then even a trip to the store will turn into healthy entertainment ...
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 3 October 2012 16: 16
      +3
      At one time, an amusing little family came to our store — a husband and wife and four of their guards, all so cool and very proud of themselves, the guards drove the sellers away from them, after which the sellers were offended and together went to the other end of the store, and when they started -to ask -very politely offered to turn to their guard-let them prompt themselves.
      Then a casual dropped phrase that there were many guards and only one sniper decided the whole thing. The next time they came calmly, together, turned out to be almost nice people.
      A funny article is the same as sitting and choosing what is best for me to take - just 600 Merc or something more abruptly, despite the fact that I’ll have to save a couple of lives from my sn. First, adopt the law on weapons, and then you can speculate which courses are more interesting.
    2. Odessa
      Odessa 3 October 2012 18: 54
      +4
      Brother Sarych,
      Here they are right. +
      If anyone wants to learn how to use weapons, this is not enough for self-defense, you still need to learn how to throw knives, run faster than the wind and swim with brass laughing
      Consider an elementary situation, someone alone in a dark alley of amateurs, who have learned how to put pressure on the trigger (namely, to press). It is unlikely to be useful, because you still need to know and feel the weapon, otherwise you can be like a blonde driving, she drives only straight, and the rest doesn’t interest her. So from such armed clowns, you can expect anything at all.
      Learn, and success! And God grant the instructors strength and patience when working with such a contingent)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 October 2012 22: 47
        +2
        +1, Laughed, especially the moment at 0.33. laughing
      2. mar.tira
        mar.tira 4 October 2012 08: 46
        +3
        Quote: Odessa
        And God forbid the instructors of power

        I’ve been armed with weapons from an early age. From the Soviet-Chinese border, I began to remember myself. The boys stole ammunition, grenades (it was a sin), soldiers having a rest in the heat, from wide open armored personnel carriers and BMPs. Well, I asked my father to shoot with regular weapons .And then from personal. So smoothly and not noticeably, possession of weapons turned into the missing link in my life. Well, life in the taiga region, where the bear per square kilometer, is the largest in the world (6 thousand individuals in the area), it simply forces you to have a large-caliber rifled semi-automatic weapon. And the last hassle was two weeks ago. The shepherd was rescued by dogs! Conversion skills come by themselves, and yet there are a lot of corpses, from absurdities, and accidents on the hunt
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 4 October 2012 10: 28
          0
          how do you feel about tiger-9? here I think to take it for bears or a bolt in 375?
          1. mar.tira
            mar.tira 4 October 2012 18: 50
            +1
            Quote: mongoose
            how do you feel about tiger-9?

            I am anxious about any weapon. First decide on how long you need it. And for what main hunt. I never went to a bear specially. Do you want to know if you want to try your luck once again. And kill an innocent beast. There I know more from practice that a healthy, well-fed bear will never approach a person. And where a person appears, he immediately leaves. You will not find him. You had to kill him point blank, from surprise. You know, it’s also erosion, and misses the danger. Take something universal. Or a few trunks, if finances allow! Moreover, the new hunting rules give permission to shoot under a license only from a certain type of weapon. You will not be allowed to shoot roe deer from the Tiger, or capercaillie. And vice versa from the small elk. Well, you yourself will not shoot a bear from it.
      3. mongoose
        mongoose 4 October 2012 10: 26
        +1
        and this is practice and practice again! (in the literal and figurative sense of the word)
        you can’t learn how to shoot and visit the shooting gallery once every six months
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 October 2012 22: 58
      +1
      Gee!))) I have one client who also believed in "telA". Then - stretching the RGD when walking the dog, and then - RPG through the window. Here everyone has their own. PM will suit me perfectly in a dark alley! (as forwards - I don't know))) As in advertising - you just need to know how to cook them!)
  8. bask
    bask 3 October 2012 18: 58
    0
    Odessa. The most important psycho ... the state of the client. Here in e
    that year on the Volga. One dude went to the tent, and from there a volley. Barely drove to the hospital. A man with a gun is dangerous.
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 3 October 2012 19: 12
      +1
      bask,
      Well, it’s someone who’s lucky. One nut in the USA has already arranged special effects on the movie’s example in the cinema, and how many armed people were sitting in the hall, and no one instantly reacted with a shot to the head.
      And a man with a gun is such a film, but it has nothing to do with the topic.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 3 October 2012 19: 30
        0
        Well, there’s a weapon with a violation, this person was already treated in the fool, and they sold him the barrel, and no one stopped him, because the cinema is a weapon-free zone; if normal people were armed, they stopped it earlier and there were no such large-scale consequences.
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 3 October 2012 19: 37
          0
          cth; fyn,
          Well there is a weapon with violation

          How is it? Will we speak in Russian today?
          cinema weapon-free zone

          If I have the right to bear arms, I can go to the cinema with him.
          In short, everything is clear here, good luck to everyone, if you have questions about psychology, contact your military psychologists in a timely manner.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 3 October 2012 20: 13
        0
        There were no armed men there, Esther. In this idiotic city, a special law has been passed prohibiting the carrying of weapons
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 3 October 2012 20: 30
          0
          Zhenya, you're right, each state has its own laws. yes
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 3 October 2012 21: 39
            +4
            There is one more nuance. I will quote you, immediately after the shooting there was a review

            “Unlike the laws of Pennsylvania, which explicitly prohibit local authorities from tightening gun laws, the Colorado constitution permits this. So, the city of Aurora, in which the shooting took place, according to the decision of the municipality, is a gun free zone, so there could not be law-abiding weapon carriers in In principle, there was no one to stop the shooter.In contrast to Pennsylvania, where a week-old shootout for some reason did not make it to the front pages of liberal media. At the school football game, the goofs showed up and opened fire (the local news was short, and as I understood, the shooting We managed to kill one and injure one. By return fire (parents) from the stands, one attacker was killed, and one was wounded. If the parents had not had weapons, it is not known how many victims would have been. "
  9. bask
    bask 3 October 2012 19: 19
    +1
    The film, by the way, is good. I had in mind the mental state of society and the individual individual. At one time I was an ardent hunter. But 3 years ago I shot a simple duck. I still, see her dying eyes, goosebumps since until then he tied it up, only vodka. And here people are !!!
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 3 October 2012 19: 30
      0
      bask,
      I had in mind the mental state of society and the individual.

      Understand that psychologists are not magicians or wizards, I can help a person, but it all depends on his desire.
      At one time I was an ardent hunter. But 3 years ago I shot a simple duck. I still see her dying eyes, goosebumps since then I blindfolded, only vodka

      Anxious Symptom - Think About These Words.
  10. bask
    bask 3 October 2012 19: 38
    +1
    There’s nothing disturbing, it just ceased to be a predator, and the two registered trunks were kept in a safe. And there’s no desire to get them. Do you like to shoot ...?
  11. bask
    bask 3 October 2012 19: 55
    +1
    ,,, A girl with a paddle, unable to withstand the psychological pressing, sent everyone to ... to ,, a psychologist ,, moreover, she was out of sight, out of sight ,, Conclusion do not give weapons to women, with an unstable psyche and a stable one all the more !.
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 3 October 2012 20: 07
      0
      bask,
      You didn’t get an oar from a girl when you shot ducks?
      unable to bear the psychological presing sent everyone to ... to ,, a psychologist

      the most ordinary, primitive trolling, here the angry Tatar wrote the same nonsense, I can send to the exact address, but you can not swear on the site.
      What business should I answer your questions.
      Do you like to shoot ...?

      I ignore clowns like you and wish you luck. fellow
      1. Evil Tatar
        Evil Tatar 6 October 2012 10: 11
        0
        Quote: Odessa
        bask
        You didn’t get an oar from a girl when you shot ducks?

        the most ordinary, primitive trolling, here the angry Tatar wrote the same nonsense, I can send to the exact address, but you can not swear on the site.
        What business should I answer your questions.

        I ignore clowns like you and wish you luck.


        You are a troll! You are a flooder! You yourself provoke a sharp answer, suddenly believing in your congeniality on this site, Nonsense.

        Sorry - you are me - tutka, oh))))))))))))) "odi-si-tka"that I answer you, breaking the vow of silence given to myself after receiving the BAN as a result of your tearful complaints to the administrator in the topic where I dropped you on my knees and made you do the usual thing ...
        After that, your gang, led by you (no longer kosher), ouched me from a banned thousand so it calmed down by two and still, chewing on the received portions from a healthy (!) ...
        Now I sit and read your stupid, mostly vyser, for which someone (some kind of undead) puts you pluses and rzhunemagu, roll around, but plan to "break" you (it), like a hot water bottle ...
        Your attitude to my Motherland ended when you or the managers of your consciousness took you away from my Russia, but you still won’t get enough of it - you are depressed to see the genes of the Russian ancestors mixed with rotten genes of the people densely populating your place of residence, in the form of scabies break into indecent places and make you apply your skills in zealous clogging of this resource, but at the same time the feeling of slavery makes you not forget the language of the people - the defender ... Suddenly, come in handy ...

        And about nonsense - the forum people will figure it out sooner or later, who, what, and why ...
        Those who wish can go to posts and compare, and not read your worthless conclusions ...

        And I will wait until the new rules come into force, remove the shoulder straps and begin to laugh even harder, looking at Nonsense in Russian shoulder straps, knocking on the "clave" from the holy land, writing mostly empty, useless posts in pursuit of the lost confidence in life lost due to the betrayal of the Motherland and the moral loss of the fundamental connection with its people ...

        Fasting is extreme, but forced ...

        Sorry, goodbye, went to the west of the train ... (s)
      2. Evil Tatar
        Evil Tatar 6 October 2012 11: 03
        -3
        Quote: Odessa woman October 3, 2012 20:07
        bask
        You didn’t get an oar from a girl when you shot ducks?

        the most ordinary, primitive trolling, here the angry Tatar wrote the same nonsense, I can send to the exact address, but you can not swear on the site.
        What business should I answer your questions.


        You yourself provoke a sharp answer, suddenly believing in your congeniality on this site, Nonsense.

        Forgive me, "odi-sitka", that I answer you, breaking the vow of silence, given to myself after receiving the BAN due to your tearful complaints to the administrator in the topic where I put you in your place))))))))))))
        After that, your gang, led by you (no longer kosher), ouched me from a banned thousand so it calmed down by two and still, chewing on the received portions from a healthy (!) ...
        Now I sit and read your mostly stupid comments, for which someone (some kind of undead) gives you pluses and rzhunemagu, I'm lying around, but I plan to "break" you (it), like a hot water bottle ...
        Your attitude to my Motherland ended when you or the managers of your consciousness took you away from my Russia, but you still won’t get enough of it - you are depressed to see the genes of the Russian ancestors mixed with rotten genes of the people densely populating your place of residence, in the form of scabies break into indecent places and make you apply your skills in zealous clogging of this resource, but at the same time the feeling of slavery makes you not forget the language of the people - the defender ... Suddenly, come in handy ...

        And about nonsense - the forum people will figure it out sooner or later, who, what, and why ...
        Those who wish can go to posts and compare, and not read your worthless conclusions ...

        And I will wait until the new rules come into force, remove the shoulder straps and begin to laugh even harder, looking at Nonsense in Russian shoulder straps, knocking on the "clave" from the holy land, writing mostly empty, useless posts in pursuit of the lost confidence in life lost due to the betrayal of the Motherland and the moral loss of the fundamental connection with its people ...

        Fasting is extreme, but forced ...

        Sorry, goodbye, went to the west of the train ... (s)
  12. bask
    bask 3 October 2012 20: 24
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    But you don’t have to be rude, it’s not good for you. There are enough boors. You don’t want to not answer. Clowns are only male women with humor, as a rule, tight, And good luck to you.
  13. Kir
    Kir 3 October 2012 21: 52
    +2
    First, let a fairly significant part of you learn how to drive a car correctly, and here’s a brief weapon! With our purchased rights and the like, which is what we’re talking about, and after, then why are there so many law enforcement officers and the like !!
    And what about learning and being able, so here the question can give out rights only after the courses, although what I mean ......., you can somehow "do" without them, the main thing is to know how much, to whom and where !! !
    1. IGR
      IGR 4 October 2012 00: 28
      +1
      I will continue: purchased diplomas, purchased epaulettes, purchased freedom (conditionally or conditionally ahead of schedule); all this is a different topic.
      and on the subject of iron skill only one should be driven in - Do not direct any weapons towards people!
  14. Captain45
    Captain45 4 October 2012 00: 46
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    "you can attend a one-day training course, which gives you the opportunity to learn how well it can be said to handle a weapon, as well as gain basic knowledge of its effective use."
    Three times ha-ha-ha, in one day to learn is fantastic, for fools who have nowhere to take the loot, and the presence of weapons gives a false sense of confidence and superiority over others. Hence, shooting with fright at everything that I saw and injuries and victims. I would cut such courses at the root. There is one good expression of the BSP instructor: "a weapon is not a toy", and we have an attitude towards weapons as a toy - expensive, beautiful, no one has it, but I have one. Envy, you fuckers! And no one wondered what it was like shoot a person and know that he will die after that.
  15. asgaroth
    asgaroth 4 October 2012 08: 52
    +3
    For me, as a retired soldier, such a question does not exist in principle. From a short-barreled (pistol, revolver, PP), AK, SKS - I shoot professionally, from the SVD - not a sniper, but I fulfilled the standard for 200-300 meters, even before my retirement. Machine guns of the same caliber - I can fire, change the store, but not the machine gunner. "Krupnyak" - was not necessary. I know grenade launchers, except for the newest and automatic ones. Shoot a man? In principle, I did not have to (I have a military specialty - a doctor, if that ...), but if the circumstances turn out like this, yes, I can. Into the enemy. Well, and how ... I'm not only a doctor ... I'm also an officer ... Though retired.

    I want to add ... A weapon in the hands of an untrained person is dangerous for everyone. In the hands of a fool - an order of magnitude more dangerous, because, as experience shows, it is the weapon in the hands of a fool that can do maximum harm - and, at the same time, no use.

  16. Axel
    Axel 5 October 2012 00: 21
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    And I was fed up with PMa 24-27 from Fort 27-30 exercise 1, distance 25 meters
  17. abelardo1191
    abelardo1191 20 November 2012 23: 09
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    Complete nonsense! To learn how to correctly and competently, and most importantly, lawfully, to shoot, you need not months, but years of preparation, not so much theoretical as practical. And then periodic training is needed! The article is complete nonsense !!!!
  18. Andrey77
    Andrey77 8 January 2013 15: 02
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    To learn how to correctly and competently, and most importantly, lawfully, to shoot, we need not months, but years of preparation.
    --
    I was taught to shoot correctly and competently for six months. In the sports section of the USSR. Years ?! In a year I’ll teach a girl how to shoot a .45 ACP caliber weapon, in 9X19 caliber - in two months. Learning the laws by heart is another month.
  19. Alikovo
    Alikovo 13 February 2013 22: 22
    0
    worth studying
  20. O_RUS
    O_RUS 10 March 2013 07: 59
    0
    You need to learn! Desire, time and a good instructor - will bring positive results

    Quote: Axel
    And I was fed up with PMa 24-27 from Fort 27-30 exercise 1, distance 25 meters


    ... from PM I have better 28-29 out of 30 ... I really did it every other day. For me it’s such a wonderful weapon at short distances from 0 to 15m
  21. Avisarra
    Avisarra 30 March 2013 11: 24
    +2
    Quote: Alikovo
    worth studying

    good

    Quote: Brother Sarich
    Want to shoot - sign up for the section,

    there would be a desire to learn, and the ability to shoot can be practiced in any dash.
    Any weapon requires adequacy from the owner and the ability to use it, weapon.
  22. lilit.193
    lilit.193 April 13 2013 15: 33
    +3
    Of course to be able !!! This is not discussed !!!
  23. smershspy
    smershspy 16 May 2013 16: 34
    +3
    Quote: lilit.193
    Of course to be able !!! This is not discussed !!!


    Dear! I completely agree!
  24. papa-billy
    papa-billy 27 June 2014 12: 10
    0
    We must be able to clearly, only the point if there is nothing to shoot from.
  25. nikn88
    nikn88 6 February 2015 22: 34
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    What is this article about? - Yes, how do you say? -In general, -nothing!
    There is nothing to talk about! There are no laws, no weapons, no industry for its production, there are few shooting galleries!
    There is nothing to discuss ...
    Dreamers...