Help and harm: T-72M/M1 tanks for Ukraine

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Echelon with Czech equipment

The Ukrainian authorities are begging foreign partners for military-technical assistance of various kinds. In particular, they wish to receive foreign Tanks and other armored vehicles. In early April, Poland and the Czech Republic responded to such requests and began delivering main tanks. At the same time, the shipment is carried out from storage bases, as a result of which the long-obsolete T-72M and T-72M1 in poor technical condition are sent to Ukraine.

Supply Processes


During February and March, Kyiv's European partners, despite all its requests, were limited only to the supply of infantry weapons, ammunition, etc. However, by the beginning of April, the situation began to change, and soon they began to talk, at a minimum, about the fundamental possibility of transferring armored vehicles of various classes to Ukraine. Then, several countries immediately began the actual shipment of equipment.



In early April, it became known from the Czech parliamentarians that their country was preparing for the transfer of a certain number of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. The Czech Ministry of Defense confirmed the fact of military assistance to Ukraine, but did not disclose plans for armored vehicles.

However, the situation soon cleared up. On April 5, photos and videos appeared confirming the start of deliveries of armored vehicles. A train with five T-72M tanks and the same number of BVP-1 infantry fighting vehicles left the Czech Republic for Ukraine. It is reported that the equipment was provided by the company Excalibur Army, engaged in the resale of military equipment. Soon she will ship new batches of equipment, as a result of which the Ukrainian army will receive up to 40 tanks.


On April 13, there were reports about the start of deliveries of equipment from Poland. Like the Czech Republic, the Polish side is handing over T-72M tanks and its version of the BMP-1. Transportation of equipment is carried out by road using tank trailers. According to known data, the transferred tanks belong to the Polish army and were previously located at the storage base in Lublin. In total, they plan to transfer 100 MBTs.

Thus, in recent days, Ukraine has received at least a dozen T-72M tanks from two neighboring states. At the same time, we are only talking about the beginning of deliveries, and over the next few weeks, Poland and the Czech Republic plan to transfer about 140 tanks and dozens of armored vehicles of other classes.

It should be noted that these are not the first deliveries of foreign tanks to the Ukrainian army. In mid-February, the Beregini hacker group published curious documents about Czech-Ukrainian military-technical cooperation. According to these papers, in recent years, the Czech company STV Group, which sells former army property, sent 31 T-72M products to Ukraine. Now those tanks are being followed by new ones.

Export modification


Poland and the Czech Republic have a fairly large tank fleet. There are hundreds of armored vehicles of various models and types in combat units and in storage. At the same time, both countries chose T-72M tanks to be sent to Ukraine. The reasons for this choice are simple and understandable - and are hardly related to the desire to help the Ukrainian army.


Czech T-72M on the way

Recall that the main tank T-72M is an export version of the Soviet T-72A. MBT modification "A" was created and went into production in 1979, and its version for foreign countries appeared a year later. In 1982, the modernization was carried out under the designation T-72M1, which included a number of small innovations.

The production of export T-72 tanks was carried out by Soviet industry and enterprises of several foreign countries. One of the main manufacturers and customers of such equipment were Poland and Czechoslovakia. They were able to create a large fleet of tanks, and some of the equipment received and built is still in service. Other machines were put into storage or even sold abroad.

In 2019, the Polish army issued a contract to the industry for a “minor modernization” of 230 existing T-72M / M1 tanks. It provided for the repair and replacement of part of the fire control devices. At the same time, cardinal alterations and innovations were not planned. In particular, it was supposed to leave the same armament and protection. To date, it has been possible to update some of the tanks, but most of them retain their previous configuration.

Outdated Skin


The T-72M/M1 was one of the first serial modifications of the T-72 MBT, and besides, it was an export vehicle. All this was reflected in the technical appearance, characteristics and capabilities. In its original form, the export MBT was inferior to the basic design, and further domestic development projects for the T-72 only increased this gap.


Transportation of Polish tanks

According to known data, the T-72M for third countries received a simplified and less powerful reservation. The combined protection of the frontal projection received a different filler, which reduced the overall resistance. In the future, T-72s of other modifications were equipped with more advanced types of armor and received dynamic protection. On the Polish and Czech T-72Ms, such solutions and components were not implemented, and the tank of the M1 version received improved turret armor and an additional plate on the forehead of the hull.

The T-72A and T-72M were the first in their family to receive the 2A46 gun. For use with it, a whole line of 125-mm shots of separate-sleeve loading for various purposes was offered. However, those shells are long outdated, and only Russia has a modern replacement for them.

The fire control system on the T-72M / M1 initially included day and night (illuminated) sights and a number of other devices. It met the requirements of its time, but over the past time has become obsolete. This problem was attempted to be solved in a recent Polish modernization project through the use of modern devices of its own production.

It is also necessary to pay attention to the age of the available equipment and resource consumption. The newest of the Czech and Polish T-72M / M1 were built in the early nineties and will soon celebrate their 30th anniversary, but the average age of the entire fleet is much higher. To continue the operation of such equipment, medium or major repairs are required, and even such measures will not be able to fundamentally extend the service life.


Polish Minister of Defense M. Blaszczak signs an order for the modernization of the T-72M / M1, July 2021

useless help


Thus, the main goal of the start of deliveries of Polish and Czech MBTs becomes clear. Warsaw and Prague plan, first of all, to get rid of outdated and unusable armored vehicles, as well as to free up space at storage bases. In addition, such assistance creates for them the image of allies supporting Ukraine. And the correct design of this "help" will allow you to earn on the sale of illiquid assets.

In the coming weeks, the two countries may transfer up to 140 obsolete tanks to Ukraine. The first of them are already being prepared to return to service and, apparently, are facing serious problems. To restore the previous qualities and characteristics of the machine, they need to be repaired. Whether the remnants of Ukrainian industry will be able to fulfill it is a big question.

Some technical details are known. So, almost immediately information appeared, according to which fire control systems do not work on Czech MBTs. A photograph was also published with several imported tanks, on the trunks of which there is an inscription "marriage". With all this, tanks from storage have an unpresentable appearance, damage to external units, etc.

The first batches of Polish and Czech tanks turned out to be in poor condition and there is reason to believe that the next deliveries will be the same. And this creates big problems for the Ukrainian army. If it wants to reinforce its tank units with foreign equipment, it will have to organize a process of repair and restoration - with limited production capacity and under constant threat.


The management of the Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa SA enterprise and the T-72M tank

However, the successful repair of tanks and bringing them to their original form will not give any serious advantages. T-72M / M1 are morally obsolete and now they are not the most difficult target for tanks, aviation or anti-tank systems. Repaired imported MBTs will face the same fate as other armored vehicles of the Ukrainian army, which were previously destroyed as part of forceful demilitarization.

Harm in a friendly way


Thus, European countries talk about their desire to help Ukraine in its fight against Russia and even supply it with military products. However, not all such deliveries give the desired result or at least make sense. Thus, Poland and the Czech Republic announced their intention to transfer a large number of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles to the Ukrainian army and have already made the first deliveries.

However, a close examination of such “help” at the theoretical and practical level reveals that it is, at best, useless for the recipient. Moreover, along with obsolete tanks, the Ukrainian army gets a number of specific problems, for the solution of which it does not have the time, effort and resources.

It is obvious that Prague and Warsaw, launching the supply of armored vehicles, are pursuing only their own goals, and they are unlikely to be concerned about potential problems for Ukraine. However, such a policy is expected and fits into the general logic of the actions of foreign countries. And besides, it weakens the Ukrainian army and contributes to its demilitarization - but now this process will be accompanied by new losses and victims.
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  1. +24
    April 15 2022 04: 43
    useless help
    Quite useful, Russia, in the presence of the will of the leadership. Because this is an iron reason to take out all the railways and not only, bridges as close as possible to the borders of Ukraine. And road transport is, firstly, less efficient, and secondly, and more importantly, kmk, will not allow passenger traffic to be mixed with freight traffic.
    Yes, in my opinion, it’s time to take out the bridges for a long time, what are they calving in the Government and the Moscow Region ?!
    1. -6
      April 15 2022 05: 01
      And there is only one option. Drawing as much of their potential as possible into the theater of operations in the Donbass. Otherwise, communications would have been destroyed long ago. Plus, the second task is to enable as many civilians as possible to leave these places. After lock up.
      1. +5
        April 15 2022 05: 09
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Drawing as much of their potential as possible into the theater of operations in the Donbass.
        I'm not really talking about that.

        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        bridges as close as possible to the borders of Ukraine.
        The supply of weapons from outside should be as difficult as possible.
        1. -10
          April 15 2022 05: 23
          Yes, they are difficult. 95 percent of the targets that ours hit are not voiced. Well, think for yourself. Even before February 24, it was said that there were already more weapons than our tanks. And they all send them and send them. They keep asking and asking. Washing out, for example, ATGMs and MANPADS from US stocks is such that it takes 3-4 years to replenish stingers, according to reports. Javelins for at least a year. Kudo the same they disappear.
          1. -2
            April 17 2022 18: 53
            And what will change from the fact that the Americans will free all warehouses from weapons 40-30 years old?
            1. 0
              April 18 2022 03: 27
              The army of any country must have stocks for a certain time of hostilities. When its level drops, it must be replenished. The washing out of these reserves below the limit level is a violation of all norms.
              1. -1
                April 18 2022 23: 16
                Scrap is thrown there, I doubt that the conditional 1000 javels are all that the US military-industrial complex is capable of during the year ....
      2. +2
        April 15 2022 08: 46
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And there is only one option. Drawing as much of their potential as possible into the theater of operations in the Donbass.

        Without understanding yourself, you are accusing the military-political leadership, at least of stupidity, at most of betrayal. Unless we change the direction of the offensive.
        The attack on the Donetsk grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is already criminal. We should not attack positions that have been fortified over 8 years with such a detachment of forces. This is futile, even if these territories are liberated (which is very doubtful), our losses will be catastrophic.
        We need to start partial mobilization and wage war for real. Launch an offensive to the south of Ukraine, where our advantage in aviation and artillery will be maximized, where there is a minimum (so far) of troops and fortifications. Unwind their troops in the steppe, on the march. By jeopardizing and freeing their industrial centers Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa.
        Now we can state that Ukraine seized the initiative in the war. We need to return it. The offensive in the Donbass is what Ukraine wants and what it is ready for, we should not do this.
        1. 0
          April 15 2022 09: 33
          You do not proceed from your Wishlist but from the real situation. At what I did not utter the word offensive. Like no one from MO. Draw your own conclusions. Your plan is quite for itself, only this is not necessary at this stage. You will understand everything with time.
        2. +1
          April 16 2022 00: 18
          hi
          We should not attack positions that have been fortified over 8 years with such a detachment of forces. This is futile, even if these territories are liberated (which is very doubtful), our losses will be catastrophic.
          /// Deploy an offensive to the south of Ukraine, where our advantage in aviation and artillery will be maximized, where there is a minimum (so far) of troops and fortifications. Unwind their troops in the steppe, on the march. By jeopardizing and freeing their industrial centers Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa.

          Partially agree.
          If the NWO was planned "for a long time", then the "second coast of Ukraine" with the ports of Odessa and Nikolaev could also be used in negotiations as a "bargaining chip"; and as an obvious, more convenient springboard than Belarus for the "third act" (winter 2022-2023, if necessary).

          But IMHO, from a political point of view, the Donbass is preferable: if we take the territory of the LDNR within the "established regional borders", then the goals of the NWO can be declared achieved.
          Whether it is possible to do this by collecting large densities of artillery and MLRS, concentrating aviation, is no longer sure.
          But then again, when reaching the borders of the LDNR - where is the guarantee that Ukraine will stop the database? And what to do with the population and territories?

          Now we can state that Ukraine seized the initiative in the war. We need to return it.
          Already "cunning plans" with links to Western analysts are published: "The probable nature of the alleged counter-offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. American version.
          The Ukrainian army is concentrating its main efforts on inflicting a flank attack on the Russian grouping of troops in the Kharkiv region and defeating the units of the RF Armed Forces in the Kherson region.
          The alleged intention of the Ukrainian General Staff (according to American expert opinion):
          The Armed Forces of Ukraine intend to contain the Russian strike with the help of three light (airborne, airborne and motorized infantry) brigades;
          to the three brigades (4th, 17th tank and 92nd mechanized) available in the Kharkov region, it is planned to transfer four more brigades from the Kiev and Chernihiv regions (72nd and 93rd mechanized, dshbr), which should strike at the flank of the Russian grouping of troops in the Izyum region.
          In the Nikolaev area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning a secondary strike, for which it is planned to regroup two brigades (5th tank and 122nd mechanized) from the Odessa area to two available in the Nikolaev area (80th airborne brigade and 124th territorial).
          "The link is another miracle card: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42475
          But IMHO, all this, except for the "right bank of the Dnieper" and "holding the Donbass by infantry" should be sold in the "combat fiction" sections of bookstores.
          1. +5
            April 16 2022 14: 31
            Quote: Wildcat
            when reaching the borders of the LDNR - where is the guarantee that Ukraine will stop the database?

            Ukraine is not guaranteed to stop hostilities. It can reduce the intensity, even conclude an armistice agreement, but this will be a pause for rearmament and training of the army.
        3. 0
          April 18 2022 17: 09
          "To deploy an offensive to the south of Ukraine, where our advantage in aviation and artillery will be maximized," Right line of thought. Throwing all the forces on the fortified areas in the Donbass is the height of mediocrity. Yes, you need to keep them Ukronazis there in constant tension so that they sit and do not stick out. And to carry out maneuverable raids from Zaporozhye and Kherson region. again, return to the Chernihiv and Sumy directions - pushing the ukrov away from the borders with Russia by at least 120 km. To consolidate this protective strip 120-150 km from the borders of Russia, mobilize in the Russian regions bordering Ukraine and protect this border strip 120 km with mobilized forces. An absolutely obvious and NECESSARY decision aimed at ensuring the security of Russian territories from aggressive Ukronazis.
      3. +2
        April 15 2022 13: 43
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And there is only one option. Drawing as much of their potential as possible into the theater of operations in the Donbass.

        How will this help us? It will increase losses and delay the operation. I thought about it, but dismissed this thought. And leaving the integrity of the transport infrastructure leads to unpleasant thoughts.
        1. 0
          April 15 2022 13: 57
          What does it mean to help?) There are tasks. Their implementation is the component for the sake of which everything happens. Having gathered the grouping and locked it up and removed as many civilians as possible, you can start normal military operations using all available means. Destruction of communications is a paramount task. It's just an axiom. And the fact that it is preserved by nothing else can simply be explained.
    2. +30
      April 15 2022 06: 33
      Just yesterday, some commentators noted a whole series of articles about "useless equipment and types of weapons."
      There is only one question - how do the dill on all this "uselessness" hold on for a month and a half and are not going to give up ?!
      1. -9
        April 15 2022 06: 46
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        There is only one question - how do the dill on all this "uselessness" hold on for a month and a half and are not going to give up ?!

        The fact that the main military operations were carried out by the troops of the LDNR against a very strong grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Terri passed by you?
      2. +1
        April 15 2022 07: 28
        So Ukrainians can hold on only in cities and only in factory buildings.
        And then, for 8 years they concreted positions near Donetsk, only by surrounding them and cutting them off from support, it will turn out to be smoked out, and even then not quickly. This is exactly what is happening near Donetsk.
        1. -7
          April 17 2022 18: 57
          Ukrainians hold on everywhere, for example, the situation around Izyum where there are no defense lines or large settlements. The next army led by geniuses and effective managers is not able to reach the level of 99 years. Putin and shobla to retire and bunk.
          1. -3
            April 17 2022 22: 41
            Victory, I explain for hysteroids, should be in the main thing: to eliminate Western influence in Russia.
            Ukrainians are meat and continue to live as neighbors. Hysteroid deprivation of the Internet, NGOs of the West and most of the embassies - the way out. And block the return to the previous relationship. Forever and ever. 300 years is enough time to make a decision on enemies.
            1. +1
              April 18 2022 00: 51
              And how to do it? No, not like that ... and who will do it?
            2. -2
              April 18 2022 23: 24
              And whose then dolbo .... excuse me, hanging out at the talks in Turkey? Who tied the whole industry to the West? Level 99 is when the Russian Federation could produce a miracle 9ki, KamAZ itself, which lizard did it sell or did AvtoVAZ just squander the French? I think deer like you: you need to send the forest to cut down or shoot, if your victory is to kill tens of thousands of Russians (I am silent about Ukrainians, they are not people for you) to show that the West is bad.
      3. +10
        April 15 2022 12: 04
        Just yesterday, some commentators noted a whole series of articles about "useless equipment and types of weapons."
        There is only one question - how do the dill on all this "uselessness" hold on for a month and a half and are not going to give up ?!
        Full-time cheers-propagandists will explain and declare anything (according to the current situation and real or unrealistic results) ...
    3. 0
      April 15 2022 06: 58
      They seem to be playing good.
    4. 0
      April 18 2022 16: 51
      "Yes, in my opinion, it's time to take out the bridges for a long time, what are they calving in the Government and the Moscow Region ?!" I agree! Such a measure - the destruction of railway communications with foreign countries - also has an undeniable psychological factor. This will clearly demonstrate that Ukraine is completely in the "TRANSPORT BOTTLE". By the way, it is possible to interrupt the railway communication in a simpler, but no less effective way - to destroy transformers at draft electrical substations along the railways all the way from the borders with Poland and Romania to the Dnieper. Even damage to two electric pylons (on both sides of the railway) will stop the movement of electric trains. It is simply amazing that neither the vaunted high-precision "Caliber" nor the Aerospace Forces on the railways near the Ukrainian borders with hostile neighboring states can perform such a simple task.
      1. 0
        April 18 2022 17: 03
        Quote: Sergey Kuzmin
        it is possible to interrupt the railway communication in a simpler, but no less effective way - to destroy transformers at traction electrical substations along the railways

        Locomotives!
        Quote: Sergey Kuzmin
        You are simply amazed that neither the vaunted high-precision "Caliber" nor the VKS can perform such a simple task.
        Don't confuse lack of opportunity with lack of will/desire.
  2. +39
    April 15 2022 05: 00
    1,5 months of the most difficult "special operation" have already passed, and with us all the individual comrades continue to brag .... Like, the supply of more than 150 tanks will even weaken Maidan Ukraine ....
    It's good that the author does not have to sit in a conditional BMP-1 or a deuce that these tanks will shoot at. Yes, this is not the most dangerous supply of all that is now going to Ukraine, but even if they make 150 workers out of these 100 tanks and send them to the Donbass, then sitting on the defensive and in the cities they can create a lot of problems for us and contribute to death as our soldiers and civilians.
    Such things need to be stopped, both by tough economic sanctions against countries that supply such equipment, and by eliminating the possibility of its transfer.
    1. +3
      April 15 2022 05: 17
      Echelon with Czech equipment
      Transportation of Polish tanks
      I have one question: why haven't they bombed yet?
      1. 0
        April 17 2022 18: 59
        There is no air supremacy and they save railways for trade with partners.
  3. -16
    April 15 2022 05: 27
    Well, they already wrote that there is a problem with gyrostabilizers due to the antiquity of canned food. Well, why the hell do you need a tank firing towards the target?
    1. +9
      April 15 2022 08: 30
      standing still, at a range of several hundred meters - as the APU tanks are mainly used - a gyro-stabilizer is not particularly needed for accurate shooting ..
    2. -1
      April 17 2022 19: 01
      X ... write offs for example. You can also use direct fire like ours in Mariupol.
  4. +34
    April 15 2022 05: 45
    Isn't it funny for the author to read this?
    Though it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
    150 tanks are 150 guns that will shoot at our soldiers. And they, albeit old and ugly, will still have to try to destroy.
    And this is time, effort, means ... And most importantly - the lives of our people.
    1. +8
      April 15 2022 13: 38
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Isn't it funny for the author to read this?

      The author cannot fight against these "ugly, old and useless" and cannot feel when this "antiquity" from an ambush, in urban areas, can do a lot of trouble. Any weapon can kill, a simple spear is also a weapon as old as the world, and what used to kill the ancients, what now the body of a modern person will sew with a fatal outcome for this body ....
      1. 0
        April 15 2022 14: 24
        According to statistics, the most dangerous weapon that injures and kills people every day is a kitchen knife ... An ordinary kitchen knife ....
  5. +34
    April 15 2022 06: 16
    The author, capping always leads to defeat. Have you ever been under fire from these "obsolete" tanks? What are you happy about?
  6. +5
    April 15 2022 06: 33
    1. Actually, if most of these tanks are out of order and the Ukrainians use repair facilities for quick commissioning, they can simply abandon the faulty ones or use them on a residual basis, for example, as fixed firing points.
    2. The calculation that the RF Armed Forces also suffers losses, i.e. part of the tanks is missing, instead of other T-72A and T-72B, which are not particularly superior to Polish and Czech ones.
    1. +2
      April 15 2022 06: 46
      Just yesterday I saw a video on the Internet, where the DPR / LPR fighters already demonstrated a captured BMP-1 from Czech supplies ...
      1. +2
        April 15 2022 06: 59
        It’s not so much a question of technology, it’s obvious that they give what they have, but how much the Ukrainians will motivate and have time to prepare the crews / units by the time they enter the battle. Dying is scary.
      2. +3
        April 15 2022 13: 40
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Just yesterday I saw a video on the Internet, where the DPR / LPR fighters already demonstrated a captured BMP-1 from Czech supplies ...

        You can be happy for the fighters of the DPR / LPR and you can wonder how they were even allowed to get to the front?
    2. +4
      April 15 2022 08: 15
      We lose most of the tanks from breakdowns, our junk is just as broken, although of course there is new, but not enough. War is a great reason to dispose of old equipment and everyone uses this occasion.
  7. 0
    April 15 2022 06: 54
    I don’t see any logic in the fact that bridges and communications have not been destroyed. But there is logic, like that gopher that is not visible. I think so. Would like to know which one. One thing pleases that the Ukronazis also do not understand this logic.
    1. -1
      April 15 2022 08: 13
      Well, yes, and there is also logic in not destroying railway stations and tracks, as well as roads on the border of Ukraine and the EU, running trains around Ukraine, as if there was no war. Do you know that the Ukronazis do not see the same logic when trains with equipment and ammunition approach them, but you see it? Please share, I'm not a Nazi, but I don't see the same logic. Every bridge not blown up in Ukraine results in hundreds of deaths of Russian soldiers
  8. +13
    April 15 2022 08: 11
    And now you can tell us what kind of scrap metal we use, why people come from there (after a month of special operation) and talk about tanks constantly breaking down, lack of spare parts, 100 rounds of ammunition per day and lack of food (in this spirit - one ration for four, at this time our wagons hand out humanitarian aid), as well as almost recaptured cities and the order to drop everything and leave?
    I would also like an article about the benefits and harms of the Cruiser Moscow in the Black Sea puddle and about its inability to repel the impact of several missiles.
    And I’m also interested in the story of how all these trains with equipment, calmly and openly, cross thousands of kilometers across Ukraine, and we proudly tell how we destroy one train out of a hundred already somewhere in the Kromatorsk region, while I think 80 percent "destroyed "calmly goes to kill ours, even with old guns, with weakened armor. A 125mm projectile perfectly breaks any armor, even T72M, even T72B3, especially if from an ambush and into the side.
  9. +10
    April 15 2022 08: 35
    As a result of this war, I think there will be a lot of questions to our government. And about the real state of the army, and about yachts at the price of a cruiser and about 100 rounds per day per fighter. It is not necessary to engage in window dressing, but to do real deeds. For the price of one parade, and not the Moscow one, I think it was quite possible on the same "Moscow" to completely replace the damage control system.
    We have been talking a lot lately about national traitors from show business. Who then are the gentlemen Deripaska, the Usmanovs and others? Probably patriots of their country. Disguised by such patriots. No matter what anyone sees.
    1. +4
      April 15 2022 09: 15
      Quote: Yakut
      As a result of this war, I think there will be a lot of questions to our government. And about the real state of the army, and about yachts at the price of a cruiser and about 100 rounds per day per fighter.

      These questions were long ago, the war is only superfluous the confirmation. No more. It seems that the military-political leadership believed their propaganda, outright lies in reports and ceremonial speeches. This is the worst thing that can be, not understanding the real situation. Or maybe he does it all deliberately?
      1. +4
        April 15 2022 13: 56
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Quote: Yakut
        As a result of this war, I think there will be a lot of questions to our government. And about the real state of the army, and about yachts at the price of a cruiser and about 100 rounds per day per fighter.

        These questions were long ago, the war is only superfluous the confirmation. No more. It seems that the military-political leadership believed their propaganda, outright lies in reports and ceremonial speeches. This is the worst thing that can be, not understanding the real situation. Or maybe he does it all deliberately?


        It seems that the only spectator of "Carbon Power" was its customer - the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense ...
        They came up with the plots themselves, paid for the filming themselves, applauded themselves, and were proud of themselves.
        It's like a family homemade amateur porn movie. "pure for myself"...
    2. +5
      April 15 2022 13: 48
      Quote: Yakut
      As a result of this war, I think there will be a lot of questions to our government. And about the real state of the army, and about yachts at the price of a cruiser and about 100 rounds per day per fighter.

      They will answer you that in the 24th year the support of the new-old government will be about 80% of the population, in the 30th about 90%, and you who ask questions understand nothing at best, and at worst rock the boat
      1. +2
        April 15 2022 17: 34
        Quote: Gvardeetz77
        and you who ask questions, at best, do not understand anything, and at worst, rock the boat

        You are rocking not a boat, but a galley. Yes
    3. -1
      April 17 2022 19: 12
      And what is interesting for the crew to learn if there was almost no struggle for survivability. National traitors have been scratched about every day for 20 years, now the 90s seem to be the times of industrial prosperity for the Russian Federation, because there was such a miracle as the cherry nine, and now the French AvtoVAZ is standing without supplies from the EU.
  10. +10
    April 15 2022 08: 49
    No, well, about "Molotov cocktails" it was still back and forth, although the "predetermined topic" was clearly seen, but now about the "obsolete" T-72 ... Hey guys, you have a neural network "Ryabov_Kirill" there screwed up, turn it up. Main logic:
    1. You need to dig the ground
    2. You only have a toy baby owl
    3. They offer you a normal shovel, but
    4. It's useless... it's not a mining excavator.
    And there, by chance, no one is going to supply dry rations to Ukraine? So it's useless, anyway, they will inevitably become, sorry, shit. And our soldiers would, of course, come in handy. What, will we continue to play in the Hottentot morality or will we begin to look at things objectively?
  11. -5
    April 15 2022 09: 04
    Even if 90% of this scrap metal turns out to be unrepairable, or destroyed in echelons (which will require scarce sorties), then even the remaining 10% with conscript crews of the 10s thrust into the 90th wave of graves may well be one of our soldiers kill.

    Are the lives of Czechs or Poles worth the lives of our soldiers? Sanctions and direct sabotage should be the answer, if a train with tanks or a passenger train derails somewhere in Poland, then these are not our problems, they have made their choice. The last thing we should be interested in is the lives of European citizens.
  12. +5
    April 15 2022 09: 41
    was upgraded under the designation T-72M1, which included a number of small innovations.
    What? Is the infill tower a small innovation? Oh well. What is the author smoking?
  13. +2
    April 15 2022 10: 07
    Maybe they’ll throw hats at me here, but you need to be able to think like a potential enemy, it helps to always be one step ahead. And in Germany the training process of the General Staff is very good (since the time of Molke Sr.). By chance, even the thoughts with the general coincided, he is at the end of the video took out.))
    1. +1
      April 15 2022 13: 20
      I don’t like this interview ((((((((Here’s in the sense: after the Finnish, Adik also concluded that the Red Army was weak, untrained, unmotivated, somehow armed ... Therefore, you need to hit now, until there are changes for the better.
      In the current realities, one should not lose sight of the political aspect, that is: according to the results of the database, NATO will shake with fear, or the temptation to break Russia will finally become too strong.
      1. +2
        April 15 2022 13: 50
        In general, any general staff studies other people's conflicts in order to find the weaknesses of opponents, and it’s just that war changes with a change in technology. Some 20 years ago, during the Chechen wars, no one heard of quadrocopters, and now they sell it in any hardware store, hung up a camera .Here you have an overview of the battlefield, albeit not too "neat" and only for half an hour (their batteries are rather weak). Therefore, the analysis of other people's conflicts is useful .. So he did not say anything new in this regard.
    2. -2
      April 17 2022 19: 30
      The first thing that catches your eye is the uniform of an officer. The rank of lieutenant general Kadyrov was given by some fisherman in a ball with a gray head. Here you look at the USSR generals in overcoats, astrakhan hats, the stars shine. You look at modern jackets, sintepon, rag shoulder straps, knitted hats or caps.
  14. -4
    April 15 2022 10: 14
    Why trains with equipment on the territory of Ukraine were not destroyed. We provide every opportunity to saturate the operating forces with equipment, train personnel, coordinate ... Even Kharkov is not surrounded! Think again!!!
    1. +4
      April 15 2022 13: 29
      nothing to surround him
  15. DJ
    +1
    April 15 2022 10: 26
    Tanks are good. But tanks need crews. Crews need to be trained, to conduct exercises before being sent to the front. Putting a reservist in a tank and sending him to the front line is not the best solution.
    1. 0
      April 15 2022 10: 59
      That's right, but each country has its own approach to this. Here is Switzerland as a non-standard example, I call the Scharnhost-Gneisenau system, although I’m sure that I’m wrong, I just got used to it). And each country has its own approach. The question of which is the best probably still has no answer.
  16. +5
    April 15 2022 11: 26
    author:
    "At the same time, the shipment is carried out from storage bases, as a result of which they have been sent to Ukraine for a long timeaging T-72M and T-72M1 in poor technical condition."

    - Have you checked their technical condition? No?
    why do you write? - to calm us down?
    no need to reassure us, we need to hammer the railway infrastructure in the west of the country, that's what we need to write about
  17. -1
    April 15 2022 11: 27
    If the tanks are repaired, they will be able to fight. Especially hiding behind the residential sector. Crews are more of a problem than materiel. In any case, the railway network must be disabled. Max.
  18. +8
    April 15 2022 12: 09
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Isn't it funny for the author to read this?
    Though it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
    150 tanks are 150 guns that will shoot at our soldiers. And they, albeit old and ugly, will still have to try to destroy.
    And this is time, effort, means ... And most importantly - the lives of our people.

    Quote: ramzay21
    The author, capping always leads to defeat. Have you ever been under fire from these "obsolete" tanks? What are you happy about?

    There is nothing to be surprised here, all this writing on VO and a lot of comments to match it are outside of logic and real analysis. The task is to draw a picture that the delay in the NWO is normal, and the increase in supplies (which will lead to even more delay and new victims) to Ukraine is nonsense, it only gets worse for them ... Just think, the reality is somewhat different, the worse for it !
  19. +2
    April 15 2022 12: 55
    In all comments directly through "ZhD and bridges!". Then one of my old friends (well, the age of a person is already 70) threw in an interesting thought: “Maybe we don’t touch them (bridges) by agreement? We have one such bridge ...” by the way, completely ONE of a kind...
    1. 0
      April 15 2022 14: 05
      Quote: Adrey
      In all comments directly through "ZhD and bridges!". Then one of my old friends (well, the age of a person is already 70) threw in an interesting thought: “Maybe we don’t touch them (bridges) by agreement? We have one such bridge ...” by the way, completely ONE of a kind...

      This bridge, which is ONE of its kind right now, is not as critical to our Armed Forces as a bunch of bridges to the Armed Forces, despite its critical cost and a scattering of stellar rewards for earning executives on the project.
      1. 0
        April 15 2022 14: 10
        Quote: Gvardeetz77
        This bridge, which is ONE of its kind right now, is not as critical to our Armed Forces as a bunch of bridges to the Armed Forces, despite its critical cost and a scattering of stellar rewards for earning executives on the project.

        I do not agree. Bridge completely in the rear, and if you look at the length of communications over the contested territory, questions will arise
    2. +2
      April 15 2022 17: 42
      Quote: Adrey
      . Then one of my old friends (well, the age of a person is already 70) threw an interesting thought: “Maybe we don’t touch them (bridges) by agreement? We have one such bridge ...”

      Your friend is probably right. Etmm most likely everything is explained.
      1. +1
        April 15 2022 17: 55
        Only guesswork request ...
      2. -1
        April 17 2022 19: 33
        Western partners probably do not allow.
  20. -1
    April 15 2022 13: 18
    The reasons for this choice are simple and understandable - and are hardly related to the desire to help the Ukrainian army.

    ... who is war, who is business .... nothing new ... it has always been like this ... the main thing is not to confuse help with the desire to earn money, but dill doesn’t care - PR!
  21. +2
    April 15 2022 14: 18
    The entire railway fleet is switching from the European railway gauge of 1435 mm to the Ukrainian gauge of 1520 mm at the Chop station. Therefore, the conclusion is clear and obvious .... The failure of the equipment for changing wagon bogies will create very big problems with the transportation of goods .And any freight train going from west to east should be considered hostile. Even if it is empty .... And there’s nothing to smear snot, there is a war against Russia and not only Ukraine in this war.
  22. +6
    April 15 2022 14: 33
    A tank is a tank, even if it is outdated. Seven years ago, the Nazis had tanks, but the militia did not. From the PTR during the war they went out against them. So talking about uselessness is complacency.
  23. +2
    April 15 2022 14: 58
    Not far off may be the supply of aircraft and missiles.
    1. +1
      April 16 2022 11: 10
      Not everything is so simple with aviation ... it is possible, in principle, to put Polish MiG-29s, but this situation in the sky will not fundamentally change. On European or American aircraft, you still have to relearn. Yes, and they are afraid to supply new equipment, suddenly, someone will steal some kind of "Gripen" or "Typhoon" to Russia ...
      1. +1
        April 17 2022 19: 07
        The aviation of Ukraine is already more alive than the living. Judging by the fact that everyone is clinging to the ground, the air is nobody's. The delivery of 10-30 aircraft will not change the balance, and the delivery of 100-300 will leave the entire EU without aircraft.
        1. 0
          April 19 2022 12: 22
          The delivery of even 50 aircraft with trained pilots and modern weapons can radically change the course of a military operation.
        2. -1
          April 20 2022 10: 08
          More relevant for them now is the delivery of medium and long-range air defense systems, in my opinion.
      2. -1
        April 20 2022 10: 06
        In general, yes, by the fact that it was supplied, it is clear that, firstly, it was almost exclusively defensive weapons and equipment, and secondly, they clearly did not particularly believe in Ukraine. Now the situation is changing, and if the conflict drags on, the supply of NATO equipment and the dispatch of instructors is not ruled out
  24. +5
    April 15 2022 15: 51
    "obsolete T72 M" as far as I know: T 64 are also outdated, but were successfully used by both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the People's Militia of the LDNR
  25. 0
    April 17 2022 11: 23
    another talker about the uselessness of tanks ...
    as far as the Poles report, these are modernized 100 tanks with modern sighting equipment, including "night" and NATO-style communications equipment - the level of which is higher than those on our ...
    besides, any tank is a threat that needs to be eliminated - i.e. waste resources...
    and for sure he will take the lives of our guys...
    it is necessary to block supplies in the bud, and not to verbiage convincing yourself of "uselessness" ...

  26. +2
    April 17 2022 19: 04
    The site has turned into a Urapatriot show. It's time to start a separate tab - everything is fine, beautiful marquise or another cunning plan. Or better yet, Bedtime Stories for Adults by MO.
  27. -1
    April 18 2022 09: 05
    If they really are not modernized, then you can use them from the rear as self-propelled guns, work on the front line with cheap / free high-explosive fragmentation shells
  28. 0
    April 20 2022 10: 04
    Well, nothing, in the event of a delay in hostilities, expect the supply of Panzer-howitzers 2000
  29. 0
    April 24 2022 09: 06
    I laugh for the most part. There were so many "very smart people" who clearly learned the instructions "How to manage the Universe without attracting the attention of orderlies."
    "We are in awe!" (with)
    Your mother, you would be all in the Moscow Region and BP of Russia! Oh then it would be you Oh!
  30. 0
    April 25 2022 03: 49
    Railway bridges across rivers are strategic objects. They also include power plants, nuclear power plants, platinum, dams, power lines, etc. Everything without which the real life of the civilian population does not exist.

    The decision to destroy these objects is the prerogative of the supreme power. First of all, it is based on the type of armed conflict.

    From our side - VSO. Which does not include work on strategic facilities.

    Ukraine has declared a defensive WAR. This means that it has the right to act on any objects in the most destructive mode.

    Z.s. We must proceed from today's realities. If we change, officially, the wording of the type of hostilities, then we can talk about the consequences of this decision.
  31. 0
    13 June 2022 22: 25
    You can say as much as you like that the Maxim machine gun is obsolete, but it kills just like it did 100 years ago. Therefore, the attitude should be unambiguous "brothers" help to kill Russian soldiers. The main thing is not to repeat the mistakes of the USSR, when after the war they hung noodles about Czech and other "patriots" who fiercely fought Hitler. In reality, all these "brothers" have ALWAYS been against Russia.