Soviet tanks and infantry fighting vehicles as foreign aid for Ukraine

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Tank T-72 of the Polish army. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Poland

For several weeks, foreign partners have promised to help Ukraine with the supply of armored combat vehicles. However, until recently, no real steps have been taken in this direction. Only a few days ago it became known that several foreign countries were preparing to supply old armored vehicles. The transfer of Soviet-designed vehicles may take place in the coming weeks.

Tank supply


The possible imminent transfer of heavy armored vehicles on April 1 was reported by the American product The New York Times. It revealed the very fact of the preparation of the delivery tanks, and also published some other information received from sources in Washington. Then similar publications appeared in other foreign media, incl. with new details. Together they form a rather detailed picture.



It is reported that the United States plans to reinforce the Ukrainian army with a certain number of main T-72 tanks, and the deliveries will be organized in a special way. The European allies of the United States should provide equipment to help Ukraine, and the American side will take over the organization of the entire program and the coordination of work.

The volumes of future deliveries and the participation of specific countries have not yet been officially disclosed. However, one can imagine which armies can share their equipment and in what quantity. Thus, the United States, apparently, will be engaged only in organizational work. They only have a few T-72s available for transfer. However, earlier it was reported that they could be sent to Ukraine.


Newer MBT PT-91. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Poland

The Eastern European states have much more potential in this respect. First of all, this is Poland. Her army has approx. 330 T-72A/M1 tanks. This technique was built mainly during the time of the ATS, but later it underwent repairs and modernization. Also in operation are 230 newer PT-91 tanks developed by Poland based on the T-72.

Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and other countries also have T-72 tanks. However, their tank fleet is not large. Only dozens of armored vehicles remain in service, and not in all cases there are opportunities for their full replacement. At the same time, some countries, such as Bulgaria, have fairly large stocks of equipment in storage.

It should be expected that in the very near future the United States and its allies will reveal plans to supply tanks to Ukraine. The volume of such assistance and the timing of its provision were to be announced. Apparently, it will take up to several weeks to find the necessary equipment, complete all the formalities and subsequent transportation. Whether this assistance will be relevant by that time is a big question.

Multiple re-export


Also on April 1, it became known that infantry fighting vehicles of an outdated model would be handed over to Ukraine. According to the German press, the German government has issued a permit to the Czech Republic for the re-export of its Pansarbandvagn 501 infantry fighting vehicles. The document provides for the supply of 58 units. equipment from the presence of the Czech army to Ukraine.

The Pbv-501 armored vehicles are actually modernized Soviet-designed BMP-1s. The products now being prepared for transfer were built about half a century ago for the National People's Army of the GDR. After the unification of Germany, they became the property of the Bundeswehr. Such equipment did not fit into the standards of the new operator, and they began to sell it. Several dozen BMP-1s went to Sweden, where they underwent modernization and received the new name Pbv-501. Later, the Swedish army bought modern equipment, and the old Pbv-501s were sold to the Czech Republic.


T-72s in the US, preparing for transfer.

Recently, the Czech Republic expressed its readiness to give the upgraded BMP-1s to the Ukrainian army, but some legal difficulties arose. When selling its weapons and equipment, Germany requires that any deals on their re-export be coordinated with it. The German/Swedish/Czech Pbv-501s were no exception. However, the coordination did not take much time, and measures are already being taken to prepare the equipment for transfer.

German media specify that not all BMPs planned for delivery are in good condition. Some of them require minor or medium repairs. It takes several weeks to bring the equipment into a decent form, and only after that it can be sent to the recipient. It is likely that the Czech Republic and Germany believe that by the time they start, such deliveries will still make sense.

Aid prospects


Thus, after a rather long period of uncertainty, foreign countries nevertheless decided to help Ukraine with full-fledged armored vehicles. The supply of T-72 MBTs is at the stage of searches and approvals, and plans have been drawn up for several dozen Pbv-501 infantry fighting vehicles. It is possible that in the near future it will become known about new plans and programs of this kind.

Before the transfer of the first T-72 and Pbv-501 remains at least a few weeks, and so far it is possible to assess the prospects for such assistance. First of all, attention should be paid to the very fact of preparing such deliveries. So far, foreign countries have only provided light armored vehicles and have not provided tanks or infantry fighting vehicles. Now the situation is changing, which should indicate larger processes and plans.

Soviet tanks and infantry fighting vehicles as foreign aid for Ukraine

BMP-1 of the GDR army, 1988. Photo of the Bundesarchiv of Germany

It is important that they are looking for Soviet-designed equipment for deliveries to Ukraine. The aid packages will include armored vehicles already in service with the Ukrainian army. This will make it possible to do without retraining of personnel or seriously simplify it. In addition, it will be easier to organize the operation and maintenance of newly received equipment.

Depending on the plans and capabilities of third countries, Ukraine can count on at least 58 infantry fighting vehicles, as well as dozens or even hundreds of T-72 tanks. This amount of equipment will partially make up for the losses of recent weeks and will significantly affect the current combat capability of the army.

However, quantity cannot be transformed into quality. Ukraine will receive only morally and physically obsolete equipment. For example, the Polish T-72M1 tanks were built back in the 501s and, despite all the upgrades, are inferior to the latest Russian-designed modifications. Other Eastern European countries have even older technology. The situation is similar with the BMP Pbv-1. In fact, this is an old BMP-XNUMX with imperfect weapons and fire control systems. The combat qualities of such a machine are far from required.

At the same time, it is unlikely that it will be possible to fully use even the limited combat qualities of the received vehicles. The Russian army has obvious technical advantages, and without much difficulty will be able to identify and "demilitarize" equipment for Ukraine. MBTs and infantry fighting vehicles can be destroyed both in the deep rear and on the front lines.

Benefit not for Ukraine


It should be noted that almost useless deliveries of armored vehicles to Ukraine can still have positive consequences - but only for third countries. So, Poland, the Czech Republic and other states get the opportunity to get rid of obsolete materiel. This will allow the renewal of parks to begin, which will be associated with the allocation and development of budgets.


Former East German BMP-1 - Pbv-501 in the museum. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

By giving away their T-72s, the Polish army can increase the existing order for American M1 Abrams. Other countries helping Ukraine can also order American armored vehicles. Accordingly, the US military industry will receive new orders for substantial amounts. For this, Washington is ready to work on the organization of supplies.

Also, some European manufacturers can count on contracts. In particular, it is reported that some Eastern European countries may give away T-72s in exchange for British Challenger 2 tanks or German Leopard 2 tanks. Such equipment is likely to be newer than decommissioned Soviet MBTs, which will provide obvious advantages.

Help and benefit


Thus, Ukraine was again promised military-technical assistance, and for the first time we are talking about full-fledged tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Issues related to the transfer of such equipment are already being resolved. It will take some time for all the necessary approvals, after which a few more weeks will be spent on real events. As a result, in the coming months, Kyiv will be able to receive "new" armored vehicles.

How useful such assistance will be is unknown. There is every reason to doubt this. In addition, deliveries require time to prepare and therefore may simply be late. However, such an outcome is negative only from the point of view of the Kiev authorities. For European countries and American industry, all this brings certain political and economic benefits. And the further fate of Ukraine interests them only from this point of view.
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  1. +4
    April 5 2022 05: 11
    Pleased with the optimism of the author. But it seems that our T-72s and BMP-1s are also being taken from warehouses.
    1. 0
      April 5 2022 05: 28

      How useful such assistance will be is unknown.
      And will he succeed?
      1. +4
        April 5 2022 06: 29
        Poland. Her army has approx. 330 T-72A/M1 tanks. This technique was built mainly during the time of the ATS, but later it underwent repairs and modernization. Also in operation are 230 newer PT-91 tanks developed by Poland based on the T-72.

        They would have about 250 active Abrams and T-72s in storage, which would need to be brought to combat readiness, but they had nowhere to rush and they wanted to buy more Abrams. The US can temporarily transfer 1-2 tank divisions to Poland. The world changed a little after February 24, and the Eastern European countries and the Baltics got really scared.
        1. +3
          April 5 2022 10: 27
          The main differences between Pbv-501 and BMP-1 are as follows:
          - Removal of the 9K11 Malyutka rail above the 73mm 2A28 gun and associated control box inside the turret
          - Weapon control schemes include devices that prohibit the use of weapons with open hatches
          - Removal of asbestos elements in certain parts of the machine and their replacement with a harmless material, while maintaining the original functions. This includes brake linings, main clutch linings, and seals and insulation.
          - Installation of a new fire detection and extinguishing system that does not contain freon and can be operated manually or automatically
          - External lighting, including indicators, now complies with NATO standards
          - Sockets for external start, prophylactic charging of batteries and connection of devices are unified in accordance with NATO standards
          - Camouflage system complies with NATO standards
          - Batteries are stored in a sealed box ventilated outside the vehicle.
          - Surveillance devices are equipped with protective covers
          - New ladders, handles and non-slip coatings installed to ensure safe crew movement on the hull
          - Holders for Swedish weapons, including submachine guns, machine guns and ammunition
          - Installation of an autonomous heater
          - Improved outlet
          - Additional radio station.

          That's what they write in boarding schools.
          By the way, our troops also lit up a lot of BMP-1
          1. 0
            April 5 2022 17: 10
            Not in ours. In parts of the LDNR.
            1. +2
              April 5 2022 18: 07
              Quote: Oden280
              Not in ours. In parts of the LDNR.

              Were they near Kuev?
              1. +2
                April 5 2022 19: 20
                You can't tell from where the footage was taken. There's a vinaigrette from different shots. And in our army, BMP-1s are on conservation.
            2. -1
              7 May 2022 10: 54
              In ours, too, their sea, do not smack nonsense
    2. 0
      7 May 2022 10: 18
      Our warehouses with armored vehicles are practically unlimited, plus spare parts, a repair base, in Ukraine all this is no longer there, they supply them with scrap metal, which will break down after several hundred kilometers, unless, of course, they are allowed to pass. But they still drink blood.
  2. The praising of the S-300, which was easily destroyed by Russian troops in Ukraine, has noticeably diminished. They didn’t show themselves there at all, rather the Stingers showed themselves than the S-300.
    1. 0
      April 5 2022 06: 33
      It depends who uses it and how. If the training is at a minimum - at least some prodigy is powerful, with a high probability there will be dubious effectiveness of the application. How it heats up if a crooked-handed shooter put everything into milk, it’s not a fact that the gun is crooked.
    2. +1
      April 5 2022 10: 19
      Quote: Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
      The praising of the S-300, which was easily destroyed by Russian troops in Ukraine, has noticeably diminished. They didn’t show themselves there at all, rather the Stingers showed themselves than the S-300.

      Well, of course, the MIG-21 was also overwhelmed by the Romanian turntable. In Romanian airspace. But NATO did not react to this act of aggression by 404, from the word "absolutely".
      1. 0
        April 5 2022 22: 08
        Quote: Nagan
        But NATO did not react to this act of aggression by 404, from the word "absolutely".

        This is an act, who needs an act ...
    3. +6
      April 5 2022 10: 31
      Quote: Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
      The praising of the S-300, which was easily destroyed by Russian troops in Ukraine, has noticeably diminished. They didn’t show themselves there at all, rather the Stingers showed themselves than the S-300.

      The S-300PS air defense systems available to Ukraine and their missiles, even taking into account the refurbishment, have long gone beyond the terms of the assigned operational resource. But even with this in mind, obsolete anti-aircraft systems produced in the USSR have achieved some success. By and large, this was the first real use of the S-300P in a combat situation.
    4. 0
      April 6 2022 04: 22
      Our fighters simply did not enter the affected area, and in general the S-300 systems do not hit their own
  3. -4
    April 5 2022 06: 47
    And how will they deliver physically? Digitizing and transmitting over the network is clearly not an option.
    It won’t work by sea, because there is the Black Sea Fleet, and there are also a lot of mines placed completely randomly, as well as freely floating.
    Transport by rail? It cannot be that there were no bridges along the road, but they can be "calibrated". And the restoration of bridges is not a quick process.
    Trailers? First, you need to find as many trailers suitable for transporting tanks or at least infantry fighting vehicles. Secondly, they cannot be refueled all the way in Poland, but with fuel, or rather without it, it’s very sad. Well, again, bridges that can be "calibrated".
    On your own? But do these not very new (if not to say "very not new") tanks have enough motor resources? And back the same goryuchka. Although a tank diesel, unlike a tractor, will eat whatever they pour, but there’s not much to pour, and it eats much more than a tractor.
    In general, the task of logistics, which at first glance has no simple solutions.
    1. +7
      April 5 2022 08: 22
      Quote: Nagan
      Transport by rail? It cannot be that there were no bridges along the road, but they can be "calibrated"

      And many of our bridges have already been "calibrated"?
      So far, none. But the transfer of troops from Kueva to Donbass is very large-scale.
      1. -1
        April 5 2022 10: 22
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And many of our bridges have already been "calibrated"?
        So far, none. But the transfer of troops from Kueva to Donbass is very large-scale.

        It begs the question: "why???"
        1. 0
          April 5 2022 17: 11
          There are many topics on this question. But answers. I don't think we'll hear.
    2. +10
      April 5 2022 09: 18
      Quote: Nagan
      And how will they deliver physically?

      Like this:



      A train with Soviet T-72M1 and BMP-1 departed from the Czech Republic to Ukraine.
  4. +3
    April 5 2022 07: 53
    The possible imminent transfer of heavy armored vehicles on April 1 was reported by the American product The New York Times. It disclosed the very fact of preparing the delivery of tanks, and also published some other information received from sources in Washington.

    The United States is trying its best to prolong the crisis and turn Ukraine into a second Afghanistan for Russia. But we have air supremacy, we need to beat enemy equipment on the march.
  5. -3
    April 5 2022 07: 53
    It must be warned that if at least one piece of equipment is delivered, then Russia will destroy the railway stations and roads along the entire border of Ukraine with the EU countries, not with missiles, but with carpet bombing, so that no stone is left unturned. And you also need to destroy all gas stations, fuel depots, even civilian ones, fuel trucks and everything that can refuel equipment.
    1. 0
      April 5 2022 18: 58
      Your words, yes to our generals in the ears
  6. -1
    April 5 2022 08: 25
    as for the tanks of the Russian army in the military operation on the outskirts, they are also not from the latest "lineup". So that the Russian army, after the victory, will be able to provide the military-industrial complex with orders to produce the latest armored vehicles, instead of the old ones used on the outskirts.
    More squealing and euphoria in the West will come from the very fact of the delivery of armored vehicles to the outskirts. And absolutely there in the West they will not know that this armored vehicle, as soon as it crossed the border of the outskirts, was destroyed by the Russian army.
    From here and advice to the author of the article. Do the opposite of the West. Do not notice their attempts to self-satisfy from the supply of a certain amount of old equipment to the outskirts. Be ready and able to illuminate and inform us about how and who will destroy this equipment, as soon as it crosses the border of the outskirts.
    ps
    since more and more often people state that the current outskirts of the primordially Russian lands are not at all a state, but a gang led by Nazi leaders, I call this territory the outskirts. And the action there takes place on the outskirts. I hope I'm not the only one among VO commentators to come to this conclusion ...
    1. 0
      April 6 2022 07: 54
      War is an excellent opportunity to boost the economy, get rid of old equipment, and dispose of old ammunition.
  7. 0
    April 5 2022 08: 32
    "War is the father of everything, the king of everything" © Heraclitus
  8. 0
    April 5 2022 09: 35
    there is only one question, to our Armed Forces, Aerospace Forces - how far from the border will this "train with obsnok" move?
  9. +1
    April 5 2022 11: 50
    Most likely, the banal disposal of weapons that do not fall under modern NATO standards, but hang like heavy ballast on the Ministries of Defense of these countries.
    Again, only 5 countries out of 29 fully fulfill their financial obligations to NATO. There is a reason to partially pay off debts and at the same time request funding for new weapons.
  10. 0
    April 5 2022 12: 49
    Poland, Czech Republic and Romania ... Romanians have their own production of T55 and T62 variants .....
    1. +1
      April 5 2022 19: 09
      In Romania, the production of tanks (T-55 variant) has not existed for a long time, and no one except the USSR and the DPRK has ever produced the T-62.
      1. 0
        April 5 2022 22: 28
        There are old ones in service. In Poland and the Czech Republic, T72 is also no longer produced.
  11. +1
    April 5 2022 14: 23
    you look at eastern Ukraine - devastation on the battlefields
    and in the west? everything except the military-industrial complex is in full openwork, and the infrastructure transporting military equipment, at the time of transportation, is it not military? so it’s necessary to hollow out bridges right at the border, so that they “carry on their hands”, and not carry
  12. 0
    April 5 2022 16: 46
    "permission to re-export", can we block? After all, the T 72 was supplied to the Soviet Union, and we are successors
    1. 0
      April 5 2022 19: 11
      For this purpose, such moments and the duration of the contract must be indicated in the supply contracts ....
  13. 0
    April 5 2022 20: 58
    In a certain sense, there is an escalation of the conflict (the flip side of the fact that the "problem" was not resolved quickly and "abruptly"). As a result, it drags on even longer, and this, in turn, creates the prerequisites for strengthening Western assistance to Ukraine. A kind of self-oscillatory process arises: the strengthening / restoration of its military potential contributes to the delay in the timing of the NWO ...
  14. 0
    April 5 2022 23: 04
    Congratulations to our negotiators and PR geniuses in general, thanks to whom, instead of the all-destroying and uncompromising power of the Russian army, the whole world now sees some kind of indistinct bleating and the absence of significant military successes, which means it begins to really believe that the Kyiv regime will stand in one form or another.
  15. 0
    April 6 2022 09: 46
    The benefits of such a decision are doubtful, because tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are very voracious on fuel and lubricants - and they cannot be imported so compactly. In principle, new (new old) equipment can be useful as elements of the defense of settlements, but its use in any active operations makes me skeptical. As well as its operational value in this regard.
    However, the longer the whole operation lasts, the more counteracting tendencies will grow, the more loopholes for action Western countries will find, the more effective solutions the Ukrainian side will be able to find.
    P / s all this massive disposal of relics of the HB is dangerous not even because Ukraine is being pumped up. The problem is that following this, modern heavy equipment and aircraft will massively pump up the entire eastern flank of NATO. And their somewhat chimerical combat capability will be much more reasoned.
  16. 0
    April 6 2022 17: 12
    The main thing is that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles should not reach the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, and how old the equipment and in what condition, for scrap metal, is not important.
  17. -2
    April 6 2022 20: 36
    The technique has been mastered, there is no need to retrain the army. Outdated and fine. War will write everything off. Replacing the fleet of Soviet MBTs with NATO, obsolete ones. At least some movement towards unification.