The death of the BDK "Saratov" in the port of Berdyansk and the reaction of the Ministry of Defense

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BDK "Saratov is on fire after the explosion in Berdyansk, March 24, 2022

The city of Berdyansk was liberated by Russian troops very quickly and almost without resistance. By the end of February 28, everything was over, there were no Ukrainian troops left in the city, only individual pro-Kiev activists continued to organize anti-Russian pickets right in front of the National Guard units, knowing full well that they would get nothing for it.



In the second half of March, when the front had already moved away from the city, the port began to be used for its intended purpose - from those landing ships of the Navy, which had previously portrayed a threat of amphibious assault to Odessa, preventing the enemy from withdrawing reserves from there and throwing them to Kherson or north of Nikolaev, they began unload military equipment needed in the Mariupol direction.

On March 21, RT released several beautiful videos about the unloading of ships in the port, and those telegram channels that were the first to post them reported that Ukrainian troops had already tried to launch missile attacks on the port more than once, but Russian air defense systems repelled these attacks, which and made it possible to use the port for military purposes.

And then came March 24th.

Incident


Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense has still not mentioned what is happening, as if nothing had happened, which again (again, the key word here) made it possible for Ukrainian psychological operations units to form a global, worldwide picture of what happened, apparently, as usual, completely or partially false, but , alas, the only one that exists.

The Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation cannot understand the simple fact that if you do not attack in the information field, then the enemy does it, if you do not give photos and videos, then the enemy does it, if you are silent, then the enemy speaks, and all that he can extract from his unquestioned dominance in the news and social networks, he will extract. More help will be knocked out for itself, more foreign mercenaries and volunteers will be lured into the country, it will be easier to attract its citizens to the troops during mobilization, and so on.

Even to the point of strategic consequences - if someone brought pictures of the art of the Ukrainian army in the Donbas to the majority of Finns, they would not be asking to join NATO now. But in reality, nothing was brought to them, and it is quite possible that they will join there, which, of course, is very good for our country.

The information war is what it is.

The incident in the port of Berdyansk is a typical example and it will be explained below why.

And now - the details.

On the morning of March 24, 2022, photos and videos with heavy smoke and flames over the pier where large landing ships were being unloaded began to come from the street webcams of Berdyansk.

In the future, these photos and videos became very numerous, they spread through telegram channels and, in principle, some of the events can be restored based on the image.

So, the cameras show us that there was an explosion on board the BDK project 1171 "Saratov" (two cranes on the deck make it possible to uniquely identify it), photo below.


At the same time, at the time of the explosion, there were two other large landing ships, project 775, which urgently began to go to sea. Video. It can be seen that on one of the outgoing BDK there is also a fire on the deck, near the gun mount.


The ship at the pier was quickly extinguished.
After some time, the American media distributed a photo of the port of Berdyansk from the Maxar satellite.


The following is clearly visible - the burning "Saratov" is in the same place. The photo shows that our BDK is submerged. There are no other BDKs nearby, but the fire continues, and its source is not on the ship, it has already been extinguished by this moment, it is burning somewhere near the fuel tanks, and there is also smoke from the Rusen mete dry cargo ship under the flag of Sierra Leone, which is standing at some distance.

By the way, he is still there, as the latest (March 29) photos from the Sentinel 2 satellite say.



Photo taken from the telegram channel "Colonelcassad"

And on March 30, a photo appeared already without smoke, which clearly shows that the ship is flooded and, apparently, lies on the ground.


Those are the facts, and now the estimates.

Versions of what happened


First, versions. In the absence of information from the native Ministry of Defense, you will have to rehash the Internet.

The main version is the strike of the Ukrainian OTR "Tochka-U" with a cluster warhead, which for some reason was missed by our air defense.

Speculation that the missile of the Tochka complex was too far to fly should be discarded - the Russian Federation does not have so many troops to control everything, the enemy could simply reach the launch line inside the territory formally controlled by the Russian Federation, the launcher is mobile, can move off-road .

Anything can happen on a "special military operation", air defense can really be broken through. Yes, and Ukraine delivered blows to the port, according to link there is a video of such a blow, just at a different time.

But then it does not explain why there was one explosion - if a cluster warhead was used, there would be many of them.

There is a video of how it all started, and it doesn't look like a missile attack.


Another version of what happened is the strike of the multiple launch rocket system of the Ukrainian troops, but here the question also arises of the dissimilarity of everything that happened to the consequences of such an attack, besides, it would be very difficult for the MLRS to be at launch distance.

The range problem could be solved by the Vilkha MLRS, which can be launched from one hundred and twenty (the planned second modification is from two hundred) kilometers, and the explosion force would be just about the same as seen in the photo. But - again, this does not look like a missile strike, based on the video.

A version of the explosion on board the BDK was voiced, which had nothing to do with the strike from the Armed Forces of Ukraine - according to the version, ammunition was unloaded from the ship, an explosion occurred due to a safety violation or for another reason, burning fragments of the BDK cargo scattered by the shock wave caused a fire on the second BDK and the fire of the fuel tank on the shore.

But why was the cargo ship smoking then? Why was he standing there on March 29, five days later? It was too far from him so that something could catch fire on a dry cargo ship from a fire or explosion on board the large landing craft.

Another version is the sabotage of Ukrainian special forces, possibly using mini-dronescarrying explosives. Then everything is explained - they hit the large landing ship, another one, a fuel tank and, within the framework of typical Ukrainian ethics, also a civilian ship, so that they knew that it was dangerous to stand next to the Russians. One undamaged Russian BDK can be explained by the fact that for some reason the drone did not fly, for example, due to a breakdown, or it was detected and shot down in time, or the explosive device did not work when it hit the ship.

This version contains the least number of contradictions, based on known facts. If we assume that there are unknowns, then the principle “it is clear that nothing is clear” works. Let's wait for what the Ministry of Defense will give out, this is not a tank blown up by a mine, which can then be included in the statistics, this is a ship with a crew of dozens of people, the fact of its "disappearance" from the combat strength of the Navy can be hidden from the Russians only by turning off in Russia Internet - but in general globally it is impossible in principle. And it is worth saying something about the losses, if any.

There is no data on how many military personnel died during the incident, or whether anyone died at all.

In social networks, completely different versions are voiced, at the maximum - many dozens of dead. In principle, everything is possible, all options are real, from zero to dozens.

And also there is definitely no data on the damage that was caused to the ship. Most likely, "Saratov" will still be written off, otherwise it will be extremely surprising, but, again, this is a guess based on the available photos and videos - and nothing more. Usually, of course, after such a ship does not survive.

So all that remains is to wait. The Ministry of Defense has to say something sooner or later. They can't pretend forever that nothing happened.

It must also be said about news about the funeral of three sailors from the large landing ship "Novocherkassk" in the Sevastopol. Immediately following the results of the incident, it was said that there were three dead on this BDK that had gone to sea (the one on which the gun mount was on fire), but, to tell the truth, we do not know if there were other dead sailors, not from Sevastopol. So far, nothing is known about this.

Aftermath


The fact that the ship was lost and people died is understandable, but it doesn’t boil down to this. An important consequence of not even the incident itself, but its stubborn silence, is the repetition of the effect that was achieved when the information troops of Ukraine with hundreds or thousands of military personnel, the help of the West and well-established methods for fooling people were opposed by the daily briefing of Major General Konashenkov several minutes long. Namely - the "drain" of information confrontation with the enemy.

From the point of view of ordinary people, especially non-Russian ones, the picture looks like this - there is a fact that the ship was hit, there is a fire, there is a fact that the ship no longer moves after the incident, there are satellite photos with water on top of the deck (at least it seems that way when viewed) - eat. There are rumors about dozens of dead and the loss of the ship. And the official reaction from the Russian Defense Ministry? And she is not.

That is, a foreign citizen is in a situation where an event takes place (there is no doubt that there was an incident), there is an explanation from the Ukrainian side (even if different explanations) and ignoring from the Russian side.

And this means - attention - that, from the point of view of an outside observer, the information about the events from the Ukrainian side at least somehow corresponds to the actually observed facts, while the Russian one is untethered from reality in principle.

The next time the Ukrainians broadcast a fake picture with reference to real events, and the Russians again pretend that nothing is happening, the foreign citizen will believe the Ukrainians, the Ukrainian too, and some Russian citizens may accept the enemy’s point of view.

Let's give an example - in Ukrainian and Western social networks and public there is a lot of information about the breakthrough of Russian troops to Krivoy Rog, and that the recently repulsed counteroffensive of Ukrainian troops (the pogrom of their forces by our artillery and aviation when trying to approach the Russian troops) - it was an unsuccessful attempt to strike on the flank of the group advanced to Krivoy Rog, and not just a failed attack on Kherson.

And in the briefings of Major General Konashenkov, there are no troops near Krivoy Rog at all. Not in the sense that the Ministry of Defense denies their presence there, no, they are simply not mentioned.

What if tomorrow Ukrainians start spawning fakes about the atrocities of Russian troops near Kryvyi Rih? Or arrange a provocation there with a chemical weapons? Indeed, in the reality broadcast by the Ministry of Defense, there are no troops at all, they are not mentioned anywhere. Will we be silent again?

But what if the enemy publishes some data from the means of objective control, for example, American satellite photos of our troops, and again the situation is the same as with the BDK - there is a fact of the presence of troops, but the Russians did not confirm that they were there, it was shown Ukrainians, there is a fact of fighting, but the Russians did not talk about it, the Ukrainians reported it, and now the Ukrainians reported the third fact - the chemical attack, and the fourth - that it was Russian.

Will a Western citizen doubt the fidelity of the fourth fact, if the first three were exactly true, and the RF Armed Forces did not even mention them? It's all simple.

The situation with the BDK has already been discussed on a lot of Western platforms - from Twitter to various forums, our Ministry of Defense does not comment on it at all, which, of course, increases confidence in the information that comes from it - how else?

Those who speak English know that an iron, unshakable conviction of the masses has been formed outside the Russian Federation that Russia is on the verge of a military defeat in Ukraine, that its losses are huge, that its army is an empty place, the losses of Ukrainians are much less than the Russians. The inhabitants of Ukraine have the same opinion.

And this is in conditions when, in fact, Ukraine itself is on the verge of defeat, and its losses are much greater than ours, in the optimistic version for them - at times, and most likely, dozens!

How did this become possible? How can there be such a break with reality in the minds? And like this - if the information field is given to the enemy, then he occupies it, and story with BDK - the clearest example. And the conviction in the victory of Ukraine and mobilization for it itself simplifies, strengthens the will of the population to resist and stimulates the influx of foreign fighters. If they knew how real it is there, maybe they wouldn’t go, otherwise they are here and will shoot at our soldiers.

What prevented during the briefing just to go and say that:

“at **** (insert your version of what happened here) there was an explosion at the Saratov large landing ship, followed by a fire, the fire was extinguished, the possibility of repairing the ship is being studied while it is in the port of Berdyansk, partially flooded and landed on the ground, there is no way to evacuate it yet. Also, the BDK "****" received minor damage, the ship is currently on the move at sea and is ready to perform combat missions.

Was it that hard? Everyone understands that our troops are not at the resort there, anything happens, the enemy always has the right to make a move. Arrivals according to ours were and will be. But instead they did, as always. Despite the fact that always, too, no one interfered with doing everything according to the mind.

But, in addition to the informational component of the event, there is also a purely military one.

A few annoying questions


I really wanted to postpone all the showdowns until the moment when everything is over, and the new laws hint at the need to keep quiet. But to pretend that everything is fine, endlessly does not work, although they very much want this from us. Therefore - just a few questions to the command, without explanation.

Why were webcams not turned off in Berdyansk? This is one of the important intelligence tools these days, everyone knows about it. Why were journalists allowed into the port through which equipment is delivered? Or, alternatively, why were they allowed to publish the video before the last BDK left Berdyansk?

Why did the unloading of the BDK take place during the day?

Why, instead of the correct “raid-port-raid” scheme, when the ship enters the port from the road only for quick unloading and immediately leaves, three BDKs were brought into the port at once, moored nearby and stood quietly there (the quick exit to the sea of ​​the pair 775 says about the fact that at that very moment they were not unloading - but were standing at the pier)? How does all this comply with the requirements of the regulatory documents of the Navy and (in the case of cameras) counterintelligence?

Who is to blame for all this? Is this person or these people being punished, or has our “system learned to forgive”?

For society, the last question and the answer to it are important, and our Ministry of Defense must answer the rest for itself, maybe not publicly, but without fail. And draw conclusions for the future.

This special military operation is our most important war (let's call a spade a spade already) after the Great Patriotic War. And the most difficult. And our enemy is the strongest and most dangerous since the Great Patriotic War. This is a fight for our survival.

And there simply cannot be any place for some kind of relaxation or carelessness, incompetence or misunderstanding by senior officers of what they are doing - the existence of Russia is at stake, and not even the state of the Russian Federation, but Russia in principle, as a historical phenomenon. Defeat would mean she would be gone.

There are objectively no prerequisites for such a defeat, whatever one may say, but things are bad for Ukraine, and only external interference can save the Kyiv regime.

But subjectively, it is quite possible to create the prerequisites for defeat by driving entire detachments of ships into the front-line port during the day under the included cameras, which are used by the enemy with special forces and tactical missiles. And then, during the information support of a special military operation, pretending that nothing happened. Even when the whole world has already seen this “nothing”.

On the 30th day of a special military operation, it would be possible not to do so. On the 35th too. This enemy cannot defeat us if we do not "help" him. But you don't have to help.

And the last thing, especially for the Ministry of Defense - the Internet exists, but people are talking, and this cannot be changed, even by amendments to laws. And even if everyone is silent, this does not mean at all that no one understands or knows anything.

PS


While the material was being prepared for release, Ukrainian Mi-24s attacked an oil depot in Belgorod. From the point of view of the Ukrainian command, the oil depot seems to be a quite logical target. Alas, according to their old tradition, they also fired at the printing house. What did the printing house do for them? It's good that no one died there.

This time, the Department of Information and Mass Communications reacted, to quote Major General I. E. Konashenkov:

“On April 1, at about 5 am Moscow time, two Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopters entered the airspace of the Russian Federation at an extremely low altitude. Ukrainian helicopters launched a missile attack on a civilian oil storage facility located on the outskirts of Belgorod. As a result of the missile hit, individual tanks were damaged and caught fire.
I want to emphasize that only civil transport was supplied with fuel from this facility. The tank farm has nothing to do with the Russian armed forces.”

And that's it, the question from the point of view of the information war is simply closed. True, we had to wait a long time, the whole day, but it’s good that they didn’t do it in the DIMK MO, as with Berdyansk. But if the Defense Ministry kept silent again, it is hard to imagine what the Ukrainian units of psychological operations would inflate out of all this.

And so they flew by, the propaganda effect will be zero. After all, our people understand everything.

Sometimes you just need to say it out loud.
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  1. +159
    April 4 2022 04: 41
    It seems that the information war in the RF Ministry of Defense, and indeed in Russia, is provided by strictly warmed-up or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.
    You will laugh, but Podolyaka practically screams about it, not really controlling emotions anymore...
    1. +67
      April 4 2022 05: 29
      And during the Second World War, especially in the first two years, our media did not tell even 20% of the truth about affairs at the fronts. Then it was possible and right not to tell the truth so as not to disturb the people, but now, in the age of the Internet and comprehensive telephony, it is very problematic to hide something. We must speak the truth and only the truth, honor something.
      1. +2
        April 6 2022 14: 27
        The losses of personnel of the Ministry of Defense “in peacetime during the period of special operations” have become a military secret. President Vladimir Putin amended his decree, which previously applied only to wartime.
        The decree of May 28, 2015 changed the 1995 law on state secrets, adopted during the First Chechen campaign, which was also considered a special operation carried out in peacetime.

        In general, something like this. For some reason, citizens of Russia cannot, i.e. we need to know who and where of our military personnel died and what losses in equipment.
        Strange but true
    2. +73
      April 4 2022 06: 17
      Good morning, Vladimir. hi
      ... provide strictly warmed or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.

      I completely agree. Here, on this occasion, Ramzan Akhmatych spoke quite frankly and impartially. Well, if no attention is paid to his words, then what can we say about us sinners.
      1. +100
        April 4 2022 08: 09
        if not for two bloggers, the information field would be completely left to the enemy
        ashamed, comrades!
        1. +31
          April 4 2022 08: 30
          Alas, you are right. request
          1. -29
            April 4 2022 10: 38
            And what if they think about it in the English-language information field? Russia has banned unauthorized persons from flying over Ukraine, and all violators get lost. What if Russia says almost nothing? One-sided coverage of events is deliberately biased and unreliable. So we have a prejudiced opinion of Ukraine, but what really happens there is unknown.
            1. +34
              April 4 2022 14: 13
              So what? Did you even hear what Blinken said today? Russia has not achieved any of its goals in Ukraine. Accordingly, Russia does not know how to fight, respectively, the Ruin can survive and it needs to supply serious weapons (Australia is already going to supply its armored personnel carriers) up to aircraft, respectively, NATO troops can be brought in, because Russia will not risk using nuclear weapons. That's where it all leads.
              1. -1
                April 5 2022 23: 00
                They even in the UN Security Council, piss in the face, and the United States and England claim that this is God's dew.
          2. -5
            April 4 2022 15: 36
            And the words of Podolyak in front of the partial encirclement of Mariupol "I advise all civilians to stay at home" I hope they did not miss it? The blogger is good, but in social assistance, as an expert b / d - O. opinion.
            1. GDP
              +4
              April 8 2022 13: 23
              Yuri Podolyaka is not a press service of the Ministry of Defense and collects information as best he can. Thank God, at least from someone you can hear more complete information and at least some analytics and forecasts. If there weren’t these 3-4 bloggers, people would simply climb onto Ukrainian information resources. Because from the Ministry of Defense, apart from dry figures that do not give any idea about the development of the situation, we do not see. It seems that in our country there is no propaganda service and information warfare at all! The first weeks, judging by the video of real hostilities, there was a feeling that only Chechens were fighting, and the Russians and the rest, somewhere behind the scenes, were simply helping them. How is this to be understood? Where are our war correspondents, whose detachment should have been taken care of in advance?
              1. 0
                April 8 2022 14: 07
                There is a footnote 《opinion》 at the bottom of my post. And for analysis and forecasts, I use various resources, including his blog. hi
        2. +9
          April 4 2022 16: 43
          unfortunately, these two bloggers sometimes talk such nonsense that it would be better if they were silent. Although on the other hand, at least something. Because the official propaganda machine can only work on circulars from the top. They do not know how to think and work with their brains and cannot. It comes to the point that they rewrite in their reports the developments and revelations of various kinds of enthusiasts, trying to appropriate all the laurels for themselves, but not every enthusiast has all the garters and their revelations are sometimes even worse than the fakes of Ukropropaganda ... Sometimes you freak out from how the General Staff submits information or rather how stupidly he keeps silent about her ...
          1. +30
            April 4 2022 19: 51
            Quote: AwaZ
            Because the official propaganda machine can only work on circulars from the top.

            Valery, you are absolutely right! And in vain Timokhin stigmatizes the "talking head" - Mr. Konoshenkov. What he was "approved", then he voices. The reason for the "silence" must be sought above, and I roughly know this person ...
            And admitting the loss of the BDK is not just recognizing the mouthwashing of the World Cup naval commanders. This is an image loss for the Navy. What no, but the ship of the 2nd rank was lost ... Stalin in the Second World War saved large ships so as not to undermine the morale of the fighters by the loss of "image" ships. And here - they managed themselves like little ones and are silent, pretending that it smells of roses, and not the products of the vital activity of the organism ... All this is sad.
            1. +12
              April 4 2022 20: 59
              you know, there is still some analogy with the loss of the BDK. During the years of the Civil War, the Whites had General Slashchev, who very successfully learned how to fight against the Reds. when the Reds drove the Whites into the Crimea, he led the defense. And during this defense, he was nicknamed by his own colleagues as "the hangman", for the simple reason that he publicly hanged several of his officers from his inner circle. And why did he hang up: yes, because after the development of some kind of operation, these officers dispersed to the nearest establishments and gave interviews, or simply drunkenly blabbed all the secrets and already the morning newspapers (pay attention to this) spread information all over the island about what Slashchev was going to do . Even before the trenches, the information was not brought, but all the inhabitants of the island already knew about it. Some of the information reached the Reds faster than the Whites' trenches.
              And now remember how many different kinds of journalists made reports from Berdyansk before the incident? Yes, almost every day flashed rollers. These journalists simply provoked the enemy to strike there ... Do you remember the story somewhere else on March 5-6 that someone came up with the idea in Syrian to accompany supply columns with the help of turntables. A bunch of reports about this immediately ran through, as a languidly stretching column of fuel trucks was being removed from a turntable. And what immediately began? the serial fall of our turntables .. I can’t even imagine who comes up with such garbage: to shoot quite specific moments. Yes, it is necessary to carry out media support, but to provoke the enemy is what stupidity and even a crime, because people die because of this ..
              1. +4
                April 5 2022 20: 12
                And all journalists are imprisoned for hype. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 22 years in the criminal investigation department. I can give an example of how secret information was published in the news with a link to the press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs!!! on operational developments when working to solve a serious high-profile crime (the employees are still planning to go to another subject to work out the version of the kidnapping of a minor, and the media are already publishing this information). But the suspects could also read this information ... So it is here. Ukrainians can determine the location and deployment of troops, numbers, weapons by personnel with the media.
                1. +1
                  April 5 2022 20: 36
                  yeah, that's what I'm talking about. She works reconnaissance of the enemy and is always looking for weak spots to strike. Since there are many areas for work, not all points fall into development. But when they see the same hype from the enemy press, it's clear that they will try to break off this topic in the first place. Considering also a fairly bright picture, a good response for their own people and, in general, a good hype too .. Also, they understand that if the provocation turns out to be good, ours will start to be stupid and silent, and you can still earn bonuses on this ...
                  Yes, the journalists are to blame, but most of all, the General Staff of the Russian Federation is guilty here. at the moment, so many jambs have accumulated from the high command that it would be time to carry out a rotation of personnel, or a purge. We don't have enough fighters for Severodonetsk. And then you see, if you release a battalion of pot-bellied generals, the enemy will run ...
              2. 0
                April 9 2022 13: 12
                "how many different kinds of journalists did reporting from Berdyansk before the incident?" -
                Hee, hee, can some part of these "journalists" still be hung up for warning? And let them put nooses around their necks by those servicemen who do not present information in the right way or vice versa, they hide something, but with a warning that they themselves will be the next in this clip ..... It’s good to do the analysis after what happened. It's like in an ambulance: The later we arrive, the more accurate the diagnosis. But in my opinion, a certain amount of brains should be present both in the showing side and in covering this position with the media, backed up by counterintelligence forces and articles of laws on the observance of military secrets.
            2. +3
              April 5 2022 09: 03
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Stalin in the Second World War shored large ships,

              This is when he took care of them? Sevastopol shot two sets of barrels. The Red Caucasus landed direct fire from its 180 on the piers in the port, barely then got to Poti. And the Baltic ships worked from the main ship along the coast throughout the war.
              Learn the story.
              1. +3
                April 5 2022 17: 38
                Quote: ZAV69
                Learn the story.

                Oh how! Only 2 years on the site, and with the old-timers already on "you" !!! As Ellochka the cannibal would say: - HAMISH, boy! (from). bully
                And learn the history yourself, maybe you'll get smarter ...
                On October 11, 1943, the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command forbade the use of large ships of the Black Sea Fleet in combat operations without its (Staff) permission. The reason why the largest ship formation of the Soviet Navy was excluded from participation in the war was the sinking of three Soviet ships on October 6, 1943 by German aircraft: the leader "Kharkov", the destroyers "Merciless" and "Able".
                1. +1
                  April 7 2022 12: 47
                  The war actually went on from the age of 41, and the fleet fought in full. All the main battles were just in 42.
              2. +2
                April 6 2022 00: 27
                Not the whole war, but only during the blockade. As long as there was enough range. After coming from Tallinn, large ships did not go to sea.
        3. 0
          April 5 2022 06: 29
          You can watch "Denis Seleznev", probably there are others.
      2. +16
        April 4 2022 12: 11
        I completely agree. Here, on this occasion, Ramzan Akhmatych spoke quite frankly and impartially. Well, if no attention is paid to his words, then what can we say about us sinners.
        In the light of these events, the slogan "Strength is in Truth" infuriates, which constantly sticks in the nose. The question arises, in whose truth is the power? For more than a month now, a special operation has been going on, there were so many failures in the information war on the part of Banderostan, as it turns out that on our side there are "jambs" that climb right into our eyes. And not a single 2 head "flew!" So everything is as it should be?
        1. +28
          April 4 2022 12: 18
          And not a single 2 head "flew!" So everything is as it should be?


          Heads, perhaps, fly, but, most likely, strangers and "switchmen", "friends" remain on their shoulders. A matter of personal devotion, the rest is secondary, the old version is "better ten obedient than one capable." request
          1. +5
            April 4 2022 14: 35
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Heads, perhaps, fly, but, most likely, strangers and "switchmen", "friends" remain on their shoulders.

            what Here is the head of the son of Mr. "No", whose is it .... his own or someone else's?
            1. -4
              April 4 2022 15: 30
              Let them take care of their own garbage.
              1. +1
                April 5 2022 07: 07
                Why are you in this dump?
            2. +3
              April 4 2022 23: 33
              Quote: Serg65
              Here is the head of the son of Mr. "No", whose is it .... his own or someone else's?

              As was said, it is not in vain to see even then, I will repeat the phrase here -
              "- Leg, who needs a leg!"
              1. +3
                April 5 2022 07: 16
                Quote: Starover_Z
                Leg, this is who needs a leg

                Phrase from there...
                "The viewer loves detective films. It's nice to watch a picture, knowing in advance how it will end"
                hi
        2. +5
          April 4 2022 16: 36
          I agree, there really is no truth, omissions, omissions .... There are a lot of questions every day about this "special operation"
    3. +10
      April 4 2022 11: 43
      They just recruited good boys and girls who can work with a computer. In peacetime, this was quite enough, but now it is no longer there. In the end, the information sphere is also a battlefield, and it is the only initiative for everyone!!!
      1. +9
        April 5 2022 01: 12
        Why do we suffer defeat on the ideological front? So this, the ideological front for our authorities, for some reason, lies not outside of Russia, but inside the country - they are concerned about the fight against "fakes", "denigration", "not confirmed by facts" among the Russian audience, and outside the country everything is given to the family from RT and "officialism". Hence the result. In addition, judging by the level of coverage of events from the Russian side, it is so unprofessional, so far from modern standards for presenting information and is designed only for Russian pensioners, and those who are in senile insanity, which is natural for a Western layman who is used to a different presentation information, it causes rejection and rejection. Non-professionals everywhere.
    4. +8
      April 4 2022 13: 37
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It seems that the information war in the RF Ministry of Defense, and indeed in Russia, is provided by strictly warmed-up or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.
      You will laugh, but Podolyaka practically screams about it, not really controlling emotions anymore...

      Were you not aware of this before? General's sons were in my time. After college, he immediately left for Moscow in a battalion at the Academy of the General Staff.
      1. +14
        April 4 2022 13: 59
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        General's sons were in my time.

        And in the General Staff itself, whose sons? And whose sons are the media? Sons are usually in high-profile positions, but here comes the sons and daughters of the sons' friends.
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        Were you not aware of this before?
        Haha
        1. +5
          April 4 2022 15: 17
          Everything is just like that. That is why the notorious Chernomyrdin said to us: We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
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      3. man
        +4
        April 5 2022 10: 25
        there are different generals. One son, a helicopter pilot, sent to Afghanistan, another grandson, a paratrooper, to Angola at the height of hostilities.
    5. +5
      April 4 2022 16: 32
      Podolchka says many things correctly, but they don't seem to hear him
    6. +5
      April 4 2022 18: 41
      It seems that the information war in the RF Ministry of Defense, and indeed in Russia, is provided by strictly warmed-up or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.

      I think much worse. NO ONE PROVIDES IT.
      And this has been repeated since the First World War.
      They don’t lie, like 404 or Goebels, but they simply remain silent or say such passages that it would be better if they were silent.
      The apotheosis of this was the first Chechen, although the Afghan did not go far.
      Instead of talking about weapons based on new physical principles, it was better to take up this direction. Well, they can’t, then they would just block ANY information.
      1. +2
        April 5 2022 11: 31
        Quote: bk316
        Instead of talking about weapons based on new physical principles, it was better to take up this direction.

        Better not say.
      2. man
        +2
        April 5 2022 20: 41
        propaganda has never been our forte
    7. +12
      April 4 2022 21: 49
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      in general in Russia strictly warmed or relatives or convenient people provide, with the corresponding result.

      And what do you want if the head of the presidential press service says that he uses VPN, and the urgant (the cat opposed our army, posted a song calling for the killing of our soldiers and fled) is a "great patriot"? I generally keep quiet about the pearls of his daughter. It's sad.
    8. 0
      April 5 2022 09: 18
      No matter how Podolyaka is closed... both literally and figuratively...
    9. 0
      April 5 2022 11: 29
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It seems that the information war in the RF Ministry of Defense, and indeed in Russia, is provided by strictly warmed-up or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.


      Or rather, bureaucrats from "Rosfootball" (part-time). Who think about anything, but not about the reputation of the Russian Armed Forces. I don't want to believe in their frank infosabotage.
  2. +24
    April 4 2022 04: 49
    The war is fought not only with bombs and shells, but also with the media!
    1. -7
      April 4 2022 10: 26
      No one was going to change girls and rearrange beds in the "brothel".
      A special military operation has completely different goals.
  3. +4
    April 4 2022 05: 15
    I wonder what version of the death of the ship does the author adhere to?
    1. +8
      April 4 2022 07: 33
      Actually, there was a message from the Ministry of Defense that the "Tochka" was shot down, but fragments of a downed missile got into the large landing ship ... In the media, at the beginning, the version with the DRG was popular ... now I don’t know where they "stopped" "...
      1. +3
        April 4 2022 07: 43
        Did not met
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Actually, there was a message from the Ministry of Defense that the Tochka was shot down, but fragments of a downed missile got into the large landing ship ...
        1. +1
          April 4 2022 18: 52
          It was so.
      2. +10
        April 4 2022 08: 33
        Hello Volodya. hi

        Good effect from the debris! The second BDK was also hooked along with the tank farm on the shore. Successfully shot down a rocket, however. negative
        1. +12
          April 4 2022 08: 53
          Hello Kostya! Yes What really happened there, we will find out somehow later, but such a message (wreckage!) somehow "flashed"! I'm still annoyed by a certain feature of the downed "points" (or, perhaps more correctly, the features of the "down"?) ... this is, quite the same, the high efficiency of the wreckage in hitting targets! Starting from Donetsk...
          1. +32
            April 4 2022 09: 35
            this is, quite the same, the high efficiency of the wreckage in hitting targets! Starting from Donetsk...

            In-in, and I'm talking about too.
            Not to mention the fact that the boobies put three BDKs with ammunition against one wall, and even next to the oil storage. Strategists, damn it! For this, a tribunal is laid without any talk. This is about the level of command personnel in general.
          2. 0
            April 4 2022 09: 39
            There is one nuance. If we are talking about a cluster warhead, then part of the charge could detonate after the missile was shot down. This is exactly what happened in Donetsk.
            1. +4
              April 4 2022 10: 05
              Quote from Kwasar9000
              If we are talking about a cluster warhead, then part of the charge could detonate after the missile was shot down.

              What does "part of charge" mean? The cassette warhead of the 9M72-1 missile is a "reservoir" filled with 50 fragmentation submunitions ... in the middle of such a "filling" is a "pipe" with TNT ... When a TNT charge fires, the warhead body "explodes and fragmentation" bombs " they are scattered to the sides ... The greatest efficiency is achieved when the "Point" dives steeply on the target ... But if it is shot down before switching to this mode?
              1. +4
                April 4 2022 10: 14
                Yes, I didn't express myself correctly. I just want to add that Point U has a 9M79 charge, which is detonated at a height, even after the missile is shot down.
                1. +4
                  April 4 2022 12: 05
                  Yes ... she can ... if the "fuze" is not damaged!
                2. +1
                  April 4 2022 14: 12
                  it is unlikely that in addition to the expelling charge, there are also charges for the destruction of each and every one of the cassettes. it's not a monoblock.
          3. 0
            April 4 2022 15: 53
            As I understand it, most likely a detachable warhead, that is, the warhead blows everything around, then they take a picture of the pipe and say that they shot down.
            1. +2
              April 4 2022 16: 31
              As far as I remember, 9M72 / 72-1 and even 9M723 ("Iskander") have inseparable warheads!
              1. 0
                April 19 2022 08: 15
                And here "Iskander", or Ukraine has such weapons? It was only about the "Point", or rather -21, if you understand it that way.
                1. -1
                  April 19 2022 11: 20
                  Judging by your comment, you just didn’t understand anything (!)! No.
                  1. 0
                    April 19 2022 12: 23
                    So you are saying that the Saratov large landing ship was destroyed by the Russian Iskander missile? I won't even continue.
                    1. 0
                      April 19 2022 13: 12
                      Do not need! Your "giftedness" is amazing! belay
        2. +2
          April 4 2022 13: 19
          There was a message about three dead sailors from Novocherkassk. How many on the dead ship is unknown.
          1. +5
            April 4 2022 13: 31
            I'm afraid that there is a ratio at times, poor guys, because of the stupidity of their own command.
        3. -2
          April 4 2022 18: 54
          Sorry. Don't attack right away. Did you serve?
          1. +1
            April 4 2022 19: 09
            I'm sorry. Served. Three years. in tank troops. You are happy?
            1. -3
              April 4 2022 19: 53
              I guess, yes. But I graduated from Om WOKU and fought in several countries. From my bell tower I judge. I think I see better. HERE IS A BRIEF. I WAS BORN ON THE VOLGA. IN KAZAN. DAD WAS THE CHIEF OF THE DIVISION INTELLIGENCE. CAPTAIN. THEN WE MOVED TO KUIBYSHEV (Samara) THEN TO BUDAPEST. DANUBE. RECORD IN LIFE IN ONE PLACE. 6 YEARS. FIFTH TO 10 GRADE. THEN THEY ARRIVED IN NOVOSIBIRSK. AND I IMMEDIATELY ENTERED THE OMSK VOKU. THEN A YEAR IN NOVOSIBIRSK PLOT. A YEAR IN TOPCHIKHA ROTNY. A YEAR IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA BY THE COMPANY. THEN 30 YEARS OF WAR. NICARAGUA CAPTAIN. MAZAMBIK MAJOR. YEMEN UNDERGROUND AND ETHIOPIA COLONEL.
              1. +7
                April 4 2022 22: 04
                Quote: PAUL 7
                From my bell tower I judge. I think I see better.

                You know, over time, a skyscraper (yes, just a taller house) can grow next to the bell tower, and then you can see better from it, but almost nothing from the bell tower.
                Capslock, by the way, you can let go sometimes.
      3. +21
        April 4 2022 08: 53
        It is hard to imagine that the explosion of the warhead in the air did not hit the cameras from which the video of the fire at the large landing ship and in the port was shown.
        1. +3
          April 4 2022 20: 11
          Quote: UAZ 452
          It is hard to imagine that the explosion of the warhead in the air did not hit the cameras from which the video of the fire at the large landing ship and in the port was shown.

          It seems to me that Point-U is generally out of the question. There are secondary signs of "attack" on the object. If you carefully watch the video, you can immediately see that up to 26 seconds (when a cloud of white smoke appeared at the mooring site of the large landing craft) the birds (pigeons on the embankment) behaved absolutely calmly ... This suggests that no one shot down any OTP, There were no breaks, nothing frightened the birds!
          And the oil storage caught fire from the explosion of the armored personnel carrier on board the BDK, and not from the explosion of the Tochka-U combat equipment sub-element.
          I am inclined to believe that it was a shot from an RPG that hit the "ammo rack" of flying pillars for a BM-21 or even a BM-27. The nature of the subsequent explosions indicates precisely this. Although I could be wrong...
          1. +3
            April 4 2022 20: 29
            Or the Syrian version: a small quadrocopter with a small explosive charge (the same grenade, for example).
            1. +2
              April 4 2022 21: 00
              Quote: UAZ 452
              Or the Syrian version: a small quadrocopter with a small explosive charge (the same grenade, for example).

              And this option cannot be ruled out. But all this is the actions of the DRG, which the dill immediately announced. Our SMERSH missed this moment. Sadly.
      4. +12
        April 4 2022 09: 53
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Actually, there was a message from the Ministry of Defense that the Tochka was shot down, but fragments of a downed rocket got into the large landing craft ..

        I didn’t see on any video either the arrival of rockets, or quadrocopters, or anything at all, that something would fly. Usually arrivals are always visible, especially when storyboarding a video. I tend to sabotage or the usual r ... wu, which is basically the same thing.
        1. +1
          April 4 2022 20: 33
          A quadrocopter capable of "dragging" a grenade on itself is already difficult to see for several hundred meters, and even more so if it is still being driven, hiding behind buildings and structures of port facilities.
          1. 0
            April 4 2022 22: 50
            Quote: UAZ 452
            A quadrocopter capable of "dragging" a grenade on itself is already difficult to see with the eye for several hundred meters

            From almost all arrivals, frames are singled out, and they also increase what exactly arrives, here, no matter how you increase it, nothing is visible.
            1. +2
              April 5 2022 08: 58
              If the camera is far away, and the resolution is not very good, then an object whose linear dimensions at a given distance is smaller than the pixel size cannot be seen at any magnification. But I don’t insist on the version of the quadrocopter at all, in fact, if the guards are careless, they carry out their service “for show”, there are as many options for destroying a ship stuffed with explosives. As they say, in the first days of the operation, many of our vehicles with ammunition and fuel were destroyed and captured without the slightest problem, simply because they followed enemy territory without any guards. Here, most likely, the sailors also sailed, as to their home. When sailing to Syria, they got used to the fact that security issues are taken over by the local military, and they can safely smoke on the sidelines, so they paid the price. The main thing is that science, especially at such a considerable price, should go for the future, without repeated attacks on the same rake.
      5. +2
        April 4 2022 13: 58
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Actually, there was a message from the Ministry of Defense that the Tochka was shot down, but fragments of a downed missile got into the large landing ship ...

        Can I have a link to the MO post? Previously shot down, showed. And on this day?
        1. 0
          April 4 2022 16: 37
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Can I have a link to the MO post?

          Unfortunately, I did not save it ... I did not think that it would be needed soon! I'll try to find it, but I can't find enough time to search! If we get lucky !
        2. +1
          April 4 2022 21: 19
          Unfortunately, I didn’t find anything specific ... The following options are possible:
          1. The message "flashed" on the first day of the incident and quickly disappeared ... I do not exclude that it was promptly removed by the Ministry of Defense itself, as insufficiently verified ... reliable!
          2. The message was from a certain media outlet, with a false or erroneous reference: "according to reports from the Ministry of Defense ..." and hastily it was deleted ...
          3. I made a mistake by "confusing" the civil-military administration of Zaporozhye with the Ministry of Defense ... because. I was able to find an incident report mentioning the words of the head of the CAA...
          According to Rogov, from the military-civilian administration of the liberated territories of the Zaporozhye region, in the morning there was an arrival of Tochka-U, the missile was shot down by air defense systems, its fragments fell right in the port, including on unloading fuel and lubricants and BC BDKshki.
          A fire broke out on board one of them and detonation of ammunition boxes occurred, after which it was sunk away from harm at the quay wall. 2 other BDKs went to sea (I posted photos and videos on the topic in the TG https://t.me/boris_rozhin/35833
          There is no exact information on losses and damage to the BDK yet.

          Regarding the affected BDKshki, these are old ships of the beginning of the Brezhnev era, "Saratov" - built in 1964, "Orsk" - built in 1967. In full load, the displacement is about 4200 tons.
  4. +14
    April 4 2022 05: 23
    It's probably time to create information troops with the training of specialists in civilian and military universities, maybe even with the creation of separate faculties.
    1. +9
      April 4 2022 09: 52
      It will never reach ours, the 21st century is in the yard! Info war has been going on for a long time.
  5. +3
    April 4 2022 05: 46
    My personal opinion is that someone from the crew, recruited by the SBU, set off an explosive device.
    Plus a security breach. Three ships with ammunition stood side by side. It's very lucky that everyone didn't blow up. The pictures show that the pier was practically not damaged.
    Another option, the SBU sabotage group opened fire from grenade launchers at the BOD from a foreign ship.
    After suppressing it with fire, it caught fire.
    In any case, there will be a consequence and inquiry. soldier
    1. +7
      April 4 2022 09: 37
      Too bad we don't know about it.
      1. +5
        April 4 2022 11: 47
        Too bad we don't know about it.

        There were several hundred people on board the ships. The whole of Sevastopol knows what happened and what the consequences are.
        1. +3
          April 4 2022 20: 18
          Quote: Stepan S
          The whole of Sevastopol knows what happened and what the consequences are.

          If you know - enlighten ... Why intrigue in vain? And then we suffer in conjectures, but you know, but be silent ... It’s not good somehow, however! negative
          1. +2
            April 4 2022 21: 11
            I cannot tell you this. Troubled times.
            1. 0
              April 4 2022 21: 44
              Quote: Stepan S
              I cannot tell you this. Troubled times.

              Write in a personal. I will not be offended... laughing
  6. +39
    April 4 2022 06: 06
    If we mean the department of Mr. Konoshenkov as the structure leading information resistance within the framework of the NMD (I’m not even talking about an offensive, which I would like to see), then it demonstrates blatant inertia and a complete misunderstanding of its role in this entire operation. All his hope is only in the forces attracted to help him - Skabeev, Solovyov, Mikheev, Sheinin and their companies, and even volunteers like Yuri Podolyaki and Onufrienko. And the general himself, although he has some kind of division (a whole department), but something "not at all" ... The weather forecast on a star looks more convincing.
    1. +1
      April 4 2022 20: 37
      So until February 24, service in this very department was a real sinecure, hence the corresponding contingent of employees. So there is really no reason to be surprised at the professionalism and competence of our "warriors of the information front".
      1. +1
        April 5 2022 05: 58
        Quote: UAZ 452
        So there is really no reason to be surprised at the professionalism and competence of our "warriors of the information front".

        Warriors of the information front have nothing to do with it. They will do what they are told. But to say, to direct, to "give birth" to the idea of ​​an "information offensive" is the task of the generals. But with this, as we see, it is tight. And now we see an announcer with the epaulettes of a general, periodically listing the names of settlements, which, perhaps, he himself does not know where they are and why events are happening there, and not somewhere else ... And if we have this does not cause emotions, then what can we say about the enemy ?! And on the other side, we are confronted by the entire information machine of NATO. You have to take her seriously. Simple Sovinformburo reports are no longer being rolled out, other solutions and approaches are needed. We need PR-aggression on our part. The surname of each bastard from that side should sound and be known both on that and on our side in the context of upcoming and current criminal prosecutions (as an option).
        1. +5
          April 5 2022 09: 23
          Alas, the information war (I hope that not the whole war, but the first battle - for sure) was lost before it even started. Precisely because it didn't start on time. It takes at least half a year to prepare a society, a country for war. And here, obviously trying to deceive the enemy, they denied the very fact of the possibility of starting a war. The military advantages of this approach are understandable, but there was no surprise - the Americans knew not only the fact of preparations for war, but also the timing of the start, plans for the operation. And we, first denying everything in words, and then confirming everything with deeds, ensured a high credibility of the Western information and propaganda machine, and a deep distrust of ours, moreover, on the part of our own population, and even the military. This mistrust was further aggravated after the well-known "there are no conscripts in Ukraine" and the subsequent video with these same "they are not there" in Ukrainian captivity.
          In order to suddenly attack a neighboring country and have complete (and more importantly - long-term!) Loyalty of its population, readiness to make sacrifices for the sake of victory, you need a people like the Germans, with their "Ordnung". In our school, everyone read and listened to Levitanov's "Today, at 4 in the morning, without declaring war ..." For decades, it has been laid in the public consciousness, in the collective unconscious: whoever attacked first is the bad guy. And now this factor has worked and is working against us. Ukrainians shelled Donbass? But in recent years, this topic has practically disappeared from our media, so that the mass viewer and reader have practically begun to forget about Ukraine, Donbass. They remembered, and sharply, on February 24th. And they should have started to remind me intently, even six months before that. But it seems that for those who "should" everything that happened was also in many ways a surprise, from which they still have not moved away, have not adapted to the new normality. I hope that they will finally be able to get rid of the numbness from the mind, and will really do the work for which they, in fact, are paid a salary.
  7. -36
    April 4 2022 06: 43
    Too big article, tiring of so much reading material.
    1. fiv
      +23
      April 4 2022 08: 00
      "Modernized" from keel to clot, press secretaries in ranks from colonel and above of various Russian departments are surprisingly invisible on the information battlefield. Their strengths and talents find application, apparently, in other areas of PR activity. And only Konashenkov is puffing. This is where the vacuum comes in.
      1. +22
        April 4 2022 08: 57
        He "takes off" somehow casually, with imposing laziness. In addition, in any army, the chief, especially with the rank of a whole general, is responsible for the work of his unit, this is his main task, and any other talking head with smaller stars could voice the number of targets hit by our aviation a couple of times a day on shoulder straps.
        1. fiv
          +9
          April 4 2022 09: 16
          Well, yes, it takes off like after dinner. Without a spark.
    2. -5
      April 4 2022 18: 58
      So don't read. Watch "Wait a minute"
    3. -1
      April 5 2022 01: 19
      Quote from ARIONkrsk
      Too big article

      So, the number of printed characters is directly proportional to the number of banknotes. bully A little hint that will help from overwork: if you have a large article in front of you, then look right at the bottom of the author's name. If Timokhin - you can safely skip without reading. Yes
    4. 0
      April 9 2022 02: 32
      I absolutely agree.
  8. +14
    April 4 2022 07: 03
    About webcams, this is of course ...... a puncture. Connect and see what's going on! Not allowed!
  9. +13
    April 4 2022 07: 24
    It’s even a little strange to discuss the information war about the loss of the BDK, when the information war is in full swing on a much more serious topic of genocide. Over the past 4 days, we have hundreds of videos from Ukrainian and foreign correspondents entering cities abandoned by the Russian army, with numerous corpses and complete silence from the Russian side. Only today, timid comments have appeared that no longer have any meaning, since world public opinion has long been oriented.
    1. +3
      April 4 2022 14: 50
      Articles with discussion questions are not posted at the pace of the news. There is quite a delay there.
    2. +3
      April 4 2022 22: 10
      Quote: syndicalist
      It’s even a little strange to discuss the information war about the loss of the BDK, when the information war is in full swing on a much more serious topic of genocide. Over the past 4 days, we have hundreds of videos from Ukrainian and foreign correspondents entering cities abandoned by the Russian army, with numerous corpses and complete silence from the Russian side. Only today, timid comments have appeared that no longer have any meaning, since world public opinion has long been oriented.

      So this is a continuation of the problems voiced in this article.
    3. -1
      April 5 2022 01: 20
      Quote: syndicalist
      world public opinion

      wassat wassat wassat
  10. +11
    April 4 2022 07: 39
    I think that the main mistake during the special operation was that they did not turn off the Internet and television in Ukraine, but I think that the fact that the Ministry of Defense gives out information in a very dosed way is correct.
    1. +6
      April 4 2022 08: 04
      I agree completely and I don't understand. WHY. Why is there an Internet everywhere, shooting, cameras. What is that in Belgorod. who could get up at five in the morning and calmly wait and take off the turntables. That the refinery had just begun to be destroyed.
      1. +2
        April 5 2022 10: 09
        When NATO committed aggression in Serbia, the first thing they did was destroy the main television center, and also cut off electricity throughout the country. As a result - no Internet, no communication, no video cameras and everything else! Why does our MO not take this into account and go its own way!?
  11. +9
    April 4 2022 08: 08
    Good article, respect to the author. A different reflection of the situation with our oil depot allows us to hope that the situation is changing for the better..
  12. +19
    April 4 2022 08: 12
    I wonder why a whole general works with us as a talking head, wants to slander the hero of Russia, or is it such a general that he cannot generalize or who ordered it? And who can order the general? An even bigger general? It turns out that we have more than one general on the information front? And how much? Do they have a council of generals, full democracy? Why then so many jambs? I wonder who will be punished if they do something serious, to say that they are not very good, as it turned out? Some questions. They rebuild along the way very slowly, and somewhere they don’t even understand how and why to do it. In short, worthless heirs from GlavPur. It remains to be hoped that there will be healthy forces with new ideas.

    In the neighboring school, information is watered, not only every week, but not even every year, but in the reports, I’m sure everything is fine, and the cadets are dense in political matters, everyone sits in social networks and only from there they get information, and even then they It's forbidden, so be quiet. And I'm scared if it's like that everywhere, I drive this thought.
    1. -8
      April 4 2022 16: 07
      do you want a young general in war paint to replace the general, as is now customary?
      why general? but because it is he who is responsible for what information to convey officially and what not and why, and this is the general level. I have no complaints about Konashenkov.
      As for the incident. Are you sure that, in principle, without having data from the "other" side, it is precisely possible to determine what it was: negligence, an accident or a hostile act?
      1. +2
        April 4 2022 17: 29
        About the generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, whoever didn’t write, decided not to repeat himself, as for the responsibility of the generals, I can argue, but you need to learn to speak on purpose, Putin knows how, Lavrov and even Medvedev too, but Konakshenov should not read from the teleprompter, but instruct him to do it subordinates, approve and control how they do it and what impression they make, and not get to the machine themselves, well, at least not all the time, as for the incident, here the claims are just about the supply of information or its absence, and what did someone do wrong I don’t presume to judge on the spot, not a naval one, but at first glance the author’s claims are justified, although, as you know, all spectators know how to play football, better than the players themselves.
        1. -7
          April 4 2022 19: 33
          Konashenkov speaks clearly and concisely, while you can be sure that the information is reliable. He may not be talking about something, but he is NOT lying either. I don't know about the teleprompter, but I think it doesn't matter what he says is not reasoning, but information, it must be accurate. He does not allow mistakes, his speech is verified.
          You cited Lavrov as an example. And let me ask you, what do you like so much about his speeches? Do you remember, by the way, how he called the political system of Russia a "regime" like the Westerners? In my opinion, Lavrov is more of an appearance: when you are told banalities with a smart and pompous look, or when there is so much meaning in a long speech for a quarter of an hour that one could convey in one short phrase.
          In general, in my opinion, there are very, very many questions for the extinguished Foreign Ministry.
          By the way, do you know how many outright pro-Westerners and Russophobes there are?
          Yes, and also, can you say what was the Foreign Ministry's response to the expulsion of 45 of our diplomats from Poland?
          1. +2
            April 5 2022 00: 08
            Well, if you think like that, then the cavalry ladies from the Ministry of Internal Affairs also seem to be informative, succinct and to the point. By the way, what title did Levitan have, can you tell me?
            1. 0
              April 5 2022 11: 34
              As for the ladies from the Ministry of Internal Affairs: in my opinion, you attract incomparable things. How can one compare the SVO, which is of crucial importance for the country, and some private questions voiced by the "ladies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"?
              As for Levitan, with all due respect, he did NOT determine the information policy, decide what and how to tell the people, and he did not write the Sovinformburo reports. Konashenkov is exactly THAT person who is RESPONSIBLE for the content of the reports of the Ministry of Defense. This is democratic (without quotes), so WHAT are you unhappy with? What is called "media space" today, during the Second World War, was reduced to almost the only radio channel, there was also Foreign Broadcasting separately, well, let's not forget that the BASIC media then were newspapers and, by the way, this was quite enough. In the current realities, Levitan is, for example, Andreeva (on the First) and Mackevicius (on Russia1), as well as their fellow news anchors.
              1. 0
                April 6 2022 17: 28
                If you think like this, then soon you will have to read the reports yourself, because it is he who determines the policy in our country and is responsible for everything and everyone. As for the fact that Konashenkov is responsible for the content of the reports, then let him answer if this is part of his duties, but why read it yourself? This is not a general's business, don't you think? Yes, and good already with this topic. OK?
                1. 0
                  April 6 2022 18: 38
                  Why are you attached to Konashenkov? A normal man, speaks normally, COMPLETELY in his place.
                  By the way, about Lavrov, why do you think he blurted out here quite recently that NATO "when the defensive alliance was being created"? When any blockhead knows that this is an initially aggressive formation, but the Warsaw Pact was just created AS A RESPONSE to NATO, and not immediately, but after several years!
                  By the way, I would put Konashenkov in the Foreign Ministry, but someone needs to restore order there and clean out Western agents.
  13. +13
    April 4 2022 08: 36
    one thing is clear. command ranks in the army and navy of the Russian Federation from colonel (kapraz) and above should be periodically assessed for compliance with the position held. a lot of incompetence in my philistine opinion
    1. +12
      April 4 2022 10: 55
      Yes, at least every quarter recertify the entire department. Will be too. Nothing will change.
      Who conducts certification? Those who appoint! Since Konashenkov has not yet been replaced, it means that he is satisfied.
      And the people of Y. Podolyak are watching and listening. Parallel Worlds.
  14. BAI
    +7
    April 4 2022 08: 45
    The main version is the strike of the Ukrainian OTR "Tochka-U" with a cluster warhead,

    This version can be completely ignored. The author below himself casually mentions why. And if we look at the article "Points over Y" (it was on VO, but better with Lostarmor), then it will immediately become clear why.
  15. +4
    April 4 2022 08: 49
    The lords are fighting, and the serfs' forelocks are cracking! Most importantly, at this time, the pans will fight until there are a billion slaves left!
  16. +4
    April 4 2022 09: 26
    Another version is the sabotage of the Ukrainian special forces, possibly using mini-drones carrying explosives.

    Maybe everything is more banal. A sabotage group with a mortar in a civilian vehicle. They have practiced this before in the Donbass.
    1. -1
      April 4 2022 10: 44
      I also tend to diversion. Ukrainians in this matter have trained well in the Donbass after 2015.
  17. +16
    April 4 2022 09: 28
    LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED. and WHY I NEED IT.
    Here are two principles that guide any official. For any service. On the civil. On the military. On medical. Or utility. And do not think that during the war something will change for the better.
  18. +4
    April 4 2022 09: 39
    This version contains the least number of contradictions, based on known facts.

    In the presence of Russian warships standing nearby, is it not a contradiction to strike at a civilian ship? The version that the outbreaks that have arisen is a consequence of the scattering of ammunition during a fire looks much more reliable.
    An even more ridiculous version is Point U. If a cluster warhead, then where are the rest of the hits? Similarly with the MLRS. If this is the wreckage from the downed Point U, then where did it fly when it was shot down? To kill fish in the open sea? Allegedly, the rocket launcher, which was cleaned up by partisan paths, in order to reach the firing distance, is also an outright pull. This is not a passenger car with saboteurs, and it is highly doubtful to drive hundreds of kilometers.
    The version with negligence looks much more preferable. Or with an act of sabotage by the forces of one of the crew.
    As for the cameras that are not turned off, in the 21st century, when everyone has a camera with a phone, in a territory with a large number of hostile populations, this does not matter too much. There will always be well-wishers...
  19. +10
    April 4 2022 09: 45
    There are many questions ... what about the helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that evacuated the Azov from Mariupol? We were bravely informed that 2 helicopters had been shot down. But absolutely everyone is silent:
    - were there 2 or 5??? (as the prisoner says) Comment.
    - why were they shot down on the way back, and not on the way? Missed?
    - why were they shot down from MANPADS? They missed it, but they shot it down by accident (the infantry spotted it, most likely, they fired it).
    And if it was a raid by combat MI-24s?
    1. kig
      +3
      April 4 2022 10: 29
      Quote: fax66
      why were they shot down on the way back, and not on the way?

      I just wanted to express the couch version, but I was too shy ... it is very seditious.
    2. -2
      April 4 2022 13: 19
      Too many questions and no one tells you anything? Is everyone silent? I saw at least three stories recorded by different channels.
      1. The prisoner said that there were 4 helicopters, 3 - Mi-8 and 1 - Mi-24. The DPR police said that one of the Mi-8s was landed immediately, the second flew towards the sea, the third immediately returned to the port. Nobody saw the Mi-24.
      2. Turn on logic. How many wounded can be taken out by two or three helicopters? It is clear that cones will be removed. Watch at least one of the stories, they will tell you there. (Russia 24, NTV, RenTV)
      3. This information is also present. They shot down with what was at hand.
      1. +1
        April 4 2022 13: 49
        And the fact that ammunition, medicines / drugs were delivered to them by these sides - is this normal? Besides, who will guarantee that they will be shot down upon return? As I understand it, you also write "they shot down with what was at hand", i.e. accidentally spotted during the retreat and fired from what was. Although they should have covered the city and the troops with at least Armor, especially since Mariupol is not so big in terms of area.
        1. -1
          April 5 2022 14: 02
          I'm on vacation, I have nothing to do. In general, I see a picture of what is happening. Even certain, preferred sources have developed. The main channels give out, and from channel to channel, they tell about the same thing. At times I came across a real exclusive. Well-known journalists are interviewed under fire. There was a Chechen, sorry I didn’t remember his position, who claimed that the underground complex was already very extensive. One can only guess about its content. Tactics have changed, they go from house to house in the basements, from sewer manholes, like rats crawl out. We were given the task of cleaning up.
          I, from something, I have no doubt that it will clean it up. I don’t think that I, seven spans in my forehead, someone else can decide to pull out the most odious and tell how the Mariupol group, “like a knife through butter, went through the fortified front of my ... th, yes, their very own.” It doesn't matter to them at all that of the entire group, only thirty people are alive. "And what are the Russians there? Who are they fighting there? How what? You don't know? They kill everyone in a row. Savages, sir," is already heard. This is what I would try to knock down on the way back. The most odious and their leaders will try to "break through" from the encirclement, in order to later declare another victory. There are no innocents. You will not have heroes. Our "Born To Battle Glorious" will not leave you a chance.
          The ambush of anti-aircraft gunners is beyond praise! Stop the breakthrough of three helicopters! Or maybe four ... They correctly determined the place and time of the passage, turned around in time and struck in a coordinated manner. Professionals! At least I wouldn't be able to.
  20. kig
    +9
    April 4 2022 10: 25
    And Putin, as he once said, does not even have a smartphone. How does he get news?
    1. +11
      April 4 2022 11: 52
      And Putin, as he once said, does not even have a smartphone. How does he get news?

      How will he know? Yes, from Peskov, he is his press secretary. And Peskov himself, according to the approval of the GDP, "sometimes brings such a blizzard", this is how we live.
    2. 0
      April 4 2022 17: 45
      Igor, why are you so small, not a single high-level secret carrier and even the people who surround them should have anything like that, only special communication and only after a few steps. By the way, what was Dudayev doing there when he arrived? And I won’t even talk about the fact that all smarts and mobile devices are tracked by billing. So learn the materiel, Igor, and don't ask stupid questions.
      1. +3
        April 4 2022 19: 43
        Quote: lego2
        not a single high-level secret carrier and even the people who surround them should have anything like that, only special communication

        You tell Medvedev this.
        1. 0
          April 5 2022 00: 04
          well, as they say, in a large family there are not without alternatively gifted, but in any case - this is our "gifted", I hope.
  21. Hog
    +5
    April 4 2022 10: 35
    Maximum water, minimum on the topic.
    After reading the article, I got the impression that it could have been reduced three or four times (are you processing the number of words?).
    On the topic, I’m more inclined to violate the TB during unloading, somewhere something was dropped into the hold and it exploded or started (the very first gray smoke), and then a fire started in the hold and subsequent detonation.
    PS: A fire on a civilian ship could easily have started from a projectile/missile that flew off, it was not that far away (in case of fires and explosions in warehouses, people are evacuated for kilometers, but here the situation was no better).
    1. +3
      April 4 2022 14: 51
      Quote: Hog
      I’m more inclined to violate the TB during unloading, somewhere something was dropped into the hold and it exploded or started (the very first gray smoke), and then a fire started in the hold and subsequent detonation.

      There are too many versions! For example, I was interested in running in the style of a gallop, two RB ..... with powerful fire cannons on board ... they rushed somehow smoothly and quickly!
      1. +3
        April 4 2022 17: 24
        So they knew that it was on fire and there could be a big bada boom. 9 years ago there was a bada boom in my city. I have been engaged in the disposal of military equipment for more than 15 years, including by burning. I think if there was a detonation, Saratov would look much worse. It feels like fuel was burning. Maybe solid fuel. Something like rocket fuel. Painfully forsyth from all "crevices". It's my personal opinion. hi
        1. +3
          April 5 2022 07: 38
          Quote: VadimLives
          So they knew that it was on fire and there could be a big bada boom

          There was once a BOD Otvazhny in the Soviet Navy, and so on it the foreman of the missile cellar decided that there could be a big bad boom! The ship was lost, people were killed .... and all that was needed was to turn on the fire extinguishing system ... a few seconds!
          In the Republic of Belarus, a fire pump delivers 600 cubic meters per hour .... two RBs would have flooded the fire in Orsk in ten seconds, but they either got scared or didn’t want to ...
          1. 0
            April 5 2022 09: 05
            Agree. But we still do not know and will never know who gave what order. hi hi
            1. +3
              April 5 2022 11: 16
              Quote: VadimLives
              But we still do not know and will never know who and what order gave

              And that is true! hi
  22. +4
    April 4 2022 10: 42
    The most important thing is that our army should not be demoralized in this whole situation.
  23. +4
    April 4 2022 10: 57
    Those who speak English know
    Quite right. Aviation of the Russian Federation is pouring in thousands from the sky, thousands of tanks are burning, the Russian army has been retreating for the last two weeks - and this is starting (together with the revelations of a couple of "volunteers" to have the opposite effect - the question arises from the layman - but when will they take Moscow from these clumsy? Previously, this coverage of events caused a stream of people who wanted to go to play war games in real life - take a picture with real weapons, come home a winner Yes .
    They are concocting a provocation with alleged massacres of civilians and mass graves in the city, such as a war crime, and now Putin will not get away (they write so). But they forget the realities - it was the Ukrainians themselves who buried their corpses in the city - there was nowhere else. And the corpses lie in a convenient position and there is not a drop of blood on them, although in real life a combat firearm inflicts severe wounds and a corpse with visible wounds lies in an absurd position.
    Probably, in order to clear their conscience, the journalists left a small remark in their pearl - "the information cannot be verified by an independent party" - that is, this is infa from the official sources of the ukers themselves.
    Something like that.
    Yes, this is no longer on the first page of ALL newspapers, only spirit, and the rest put on the first page articles about internal political squabbles.
  24. +8
    April 4 2022 11: 22
    The Ministry of Defense recognizes the fact of what happened - an open discussion will begin in the expert community about why this could happen and who is to blame. She is still walking, of course, but very sluggishly, silently. To voice it out loud is the risk of running into a fresh article of the Criminal Code.

    And questions, if anything, will be asked a lot. And about air defense, and about anti-sabotage support, and about the inappropriate PR of the transport operation with the uploading of videos in the media two days before the incident.

    And then they start asking even more tricky questions. For example, why it was necessary to carry fuel and lubricants and ammunition to the BDK. After all, it was possible to buy several small-draft dry cargo ships, they, second-hand, go at prices from several million dollars. Why was it necessary to collect the BDK in the port in a pack, as if deliberately exposing it to a blow. In short, there are many questions to be answered. And people will watch and listen.
    1. 0
      April 4 2022 13: 59
      Let me answer the questions as if I were a representative of the RF Ministry of Defense ...
      Let's have a "field game" so to speak)
      Ask one short question....
      1. 0
        April 4 2022 14: 28
        Answer any of the given.
        1. -2
          April 4 2022 14: 45
          "why was it necessary to carry fuel and lubricants and ammunition to the large landing craft" - because they were already loaded for the operation near Odessa ...
          1. +5
            April 4 2022 15: 05
            Fail. "Operation near Odessa" would require, first of all, the landing of troops, and not ammunition and fuel and lubricants.
            1. 0
              April 4 2022 15: 06
              Your comment spoils "would" ...
              Do you have an outfit of forces on hand?
              1. +4
                April 4 2022 15: 16
                We have common sense at hand, which says that all the means of landing delivery available to the Black Sea Fleet would not be enough even to land the forces necessary for the operation at a time.

                And if this operation was really planned, then even for it it would be appropriate to transport ammunition and fuel and lubricants to Odessa on more suitable purchased / chartered / mobilized vehicles for this, and not on the BDK.

                So alas, no matter how you look at it, it's a fail.
                1. 0
                  April 4 2022 15: 20
                  See how you didn't succeed right away?
                  And all this damned particle "would" (in the second comment already three times!) ...
                  Let's get on with your questions...
                  1. +3
                    April 4 2022 15: 26
                    Why "further", if you could not lie at least convincingly on the first one, arbitrarily chosen by you.

                    Fail to you, "MO RF". Internetiki is not a staged press conference with lured journalists.
                    1. -1
                      April 4 2022 15: 31
                      I am upset that you did not receive a comfortable answer for you, but such is the selyavi ....
                      And most importantly: you can’t even give me a short answer, only arguments that are not supported by anything, some of your conjectures and fantasies, and I have facts ...
                      Once again: do you have an outfit of forces?
                      1. +5
                        April 4 2022 15: 40
                        Why should I have a detachment of forces if you are talking about the operation?

                        I, if you are there, in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, are interested, I can say that the landing operation in Odessa was possible on February 24 in the morning. With each subsequent day, the chances of its successful implementation decreased by about half. The Ukrainians set up mines, anchor and bottom mines, pulled up troops, prepared MLRS. Now there is no more chance.

                        You can land troops somewhere else and approach Odessa by land, but then we'll just get another Mariupol, that's all.
                      2. -4
                        April 4 2022 15: 56
                        You need an outfit of forces to answer: when and with what the BDK was loaded and so on - you don’t like the answers, but how will you justify objections to them without texture? ...
                        Regarding your second remark: our public expert group will turn to you for help...
                        Can I have a screenshot of your warrior?
                      3. +1
                        April 4 2022 16: 00
                        Thank you, your manner of conducting the discussion is understandable. That's where we'll end up.
                      4. -3
                        April 4 2022 16: 03
                        Of course, when I clearly answered: “why did you have to carry fuel and lubricants and ammunition to the large landing craft”, - because they were already loaded for the operation near Odessa ... "- you immediately became uncomfortable and, not being able to object, you hit "would" and fantasies ...
                        And the world of hacks, before whom the representative of the Moscow Region speaks, is a toothy people ....
                        And no one will do it "conveniently" for you ...
                        Good luck and all the best....
                2. 0
                  April 4 2022 17: 52
                  And why then do you need a bdk? I always thought that as a mobile base.
                  1. +3
                    April 4 2022 18: 06
                    Quote: lego2
                    And why then do you need a bdk?

                    For the delivery of the landing force and its landing on the shore. Usually unequipped.
                    1. 0
                      April 5 2022 10: 40
                      And what, and all the support by air, or just what the landing force will take with them?
                      1. 0
                        April 5 2022 11: 32
                        Ideally, the landing should capture the port, and the subsequent delivery of troops and cargo will go there, by transports. There are other options, of course. The legs are stretched over the clothes.
  25. -3
    April 4 2022 11: 44
    Sometimes you just need to say it out loud.
    We must also remember the Tsushima tragedy.
    You can also submarine Kursk. Well, I think you can still remember something like that.
  26. +3
    April 4 2022 12: 21
    It is not clear why the "swarm of drones" is a less controversial version than a swarm of cassettes from a rocket ...
    Just because it's less shameful?

    Yes, and ammunition during a fire and explosions can scatter not only for several hundred meters, but also for several kilometers, how many fires there have been in warehouses, PCs fly on occasion only in this way ...
    Therefore, the version without the participation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be ruled out.

    But I still agree with the general message, the information vacuum will still be filled, if not by ours, then by Ukrainians, if not by them, then rumors and conjectures.
  27. -2
    April 4 2022 12: 31
    About the information war. There are real hostilities in the territory where we would like to minimally antagonize the local population. What does it mean? This means the minimum use of weapons in settlements and keeping this population in the dark about the number of their compatriots killed. Please note that at first the MO did just that. It only refuted dill fakes and reassured the population that nothing threatened civilians.
    The indignation of the Russian urapatriots - where is the victory? - forced him to talk more and more about dill losses, which contradicts the plan of the operation and contributes to its bitterness. This is on the one hand.
    On the other hand, the ongoing operations should be as camouflaged as possible so as not to reveal their intention, otherwise you will each time fight against an enemy prepared for your actions. It is not in the interests of the Moscow Region to tell VO readers where the strike will be delivered in three days, otherwise there is no point in delivering it. Moreover, local commentators - Podolyak, for example - are actively covering for everyone where our troops are moving and what they are going to do. The Ukrainian generals themselves are not entirely fools, and the Americans help them, and not only with intelligence. The war is on, you need to understand this. Who wants to be in the thick of things, please go to the front line, everything is clearly visible there.
    Information warfare is needed for those who cannot really fight. At the same time, the fact that the city was taken from you cannot be flooded with any Internet - the fact is obvious, no matter how much you chat. But when the actions are over, and only chatter remains, then it is important not to let anyone talk about who defeated fascism in World War II. You need to prioritize correctly.
    1. 0
      April 11 2022 08: 11
      Podolyak, for example, actively illuminates for everyone where our troops are moving and what they are going to do.
      Have you ever thought why all the pro-Russian channels on the enemy YouTube have been closed for a long time, but the Podlyak both broadcast and broadcasts? Yes, and it makes very good money from the same YouTube. You understand that if he starts broadcasting at least in a neutral manner, he will immediately get kicked in the ass and disappear from the information space forever. And if he calmly continues to broadcast, then this completely suits the enemies. And there is no talk of any supposedly "independent blogger" here. Such a good independent blogger working for American money. He has no more faith than other foreign agents like radio matzah and rain.
  28. +2
    April 4 2022 13: 06
    The printing house printed leaflets: "Fascist surrender! I" That's the trouble with her ...
  29. Two
    0
    April 4 2022 13: 55
    And none of the guilty were sent to the yard! On the principle of "it just happened".
  30. 0
    April 4 2022 13: 56
    I assume that the cargo ship is still "smoking". Because these are normal emissions from the chimney during normal operation of the ship. Diesel generators, boilers are in operation when the ship is in port.
    1. +2
      April 4 2022 17: 30
      Too much smoke for me
      1. +1
        April 5 2022 01: 40
        Please note that the smoke is white. And the amount of it is completely normal, sometimes less, sometimes more. Assuming that because of the fire nearby, they began to prepare the car for departure. There are no questions at all. Although, as for me, a merchant seaman with 20 years of experience, such an amount of smoke does not hurt the eyes.
        1. +2
          April 5 2022 14: 22
          Well, maybe. I still thought it was overkill. The vessel then stood at least 5 days in the port, which is not trivial. Might be worth it now.

          That's why official comments are needed.
  31. +3
    April 4 2022 13: 57
    I did not fully understand the main message of the author of the article: is he seriously planning to win the information war?))
  32. +3
    April 4 2022 14: 42
    hi
    Hmm, as always, "it's good for iron, but ....".
    I will not write further, already few people are good at iron.
    IMHO, the author has analyzed the probable causes of the death of "Saratov". He pointed out possible miscalculations and circumstances that could contribute to this death.
    Once again, well written. hi

    Further, the author criticizes the MO for its information policy.
    But IMHO, this policy is still the best option possible.

    Let's consider two examples of information policy that the author described: the attack on the Belgorod oil depot and the death of Saratov.

    Why is it logical for the Moscow Region not to raise the issue of the death of Saratov? Because for the majority of news, which is not in the news on TV - it is not.
    Dear forum members, we communicate with each other on military topics, we want and can receive information from different sources.
    the Internet exists, but people talk, and this cannot be changed, even by amendments to laws. And even if everyone is silent, this does not mean at all that no one understands or knows anything.
    - how many people in your environment, your relatives, colleagues and family members watched something about BDK Saratov? Not fellow forum members on VO?
    The vast majority will discuss what will be shown in the news: they will show that Galkin bit Kirkorov - they will discuss it; they will show the death of the BDK Saratov at a briefing of the Moscow Region - they will discuss Saratov ("but it is necessary?").

    Why is it logical for the Defense Ministry to comment on the attack on the oil depot in Belgorod? Because it was Ukraine that attacked the territory of Russia, thereby Ukraine increases the space of the conflict, complicates the negotiations, and this event can be well "sold". "The attack of Ukrainian helicopters on the Russian oil depot near Belgorod does not contribute to the creation of comfortable conditions for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. This was stated to journalists by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.."
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3552196.html

    News from the Ministry of Defense should be "sold to the West" (good or bad is another question; the main thing is that we have our own agenda), example: " Zakharova stressed that there is one point that must be taken into account. Political statements were made on the basis of minute-long video frames, several photographs. The experts did not work, no other information that could shed light on what was happening was received. But Western politicians "are already ready to blame everything," said a spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry. Earlier, the media and Ukrainian authorities distributed a video that was allegedly filmed in Bucha. The footage shows the bodies of the dead lying on the road. Users noticed that the "corpses" move and remove their limbs so as not to fall under the wheels of cars. It is also seen that one of the "dead" stood up as soon as the car passed by.
    Representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that these materials were a provocation by the Ukrainian authorities. During the entire time that the city was under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, not a single local resident suffered from violent actions. All units of the Russian Federation left Bucha on March 30, the day after the talks between Ukraine and Russia in Istanbul, representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry assured. The southern outskirts of the city, including residential areas, were shelled by Ukrainian troops around the clock. As for exits to the north, they were not blocked
    ." https://smotrim.ru/article/2698419

    News from the Ministry of Defense should not "excite" anyone in the Russian Federation. No need for losses (what BDK Saratov ?!) and the movement of troops from previously occupied positions. Example: "New briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the morning of April 4. The main thing:
    Six unmanned aerial vehicles of Ukraine were shot down in the air;
    Since the beginning of the special operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces have destroyed 392 drones, 211 VZZO installations and 1 tanks;
    The command post of the 24th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed in the Lisichansk area;
    The Russian Armed Forces attacked an airfield in the suburbs of Nikolaev on April 3, destroying three helicopters;
    During the night, aviation hit two command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two launchers of Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems.
    "https://glasnarod.ru/news/novyj-briefing-minoborony-rf-na-utro-4-aprelya/
    So it's all good
    in fact, Ukraine itself is on the verge of defeat, and these are its losses that are much greater than ours, in the optimistic version for them - at times, and most likely, in tens!


    I don't want to write about this at all.
    This special military operation is our most important war (let's call a spade a spade already) after the Great Patriotic War. And the most difficult. And our enemy is the strongest and most dangerous since the Great Patriotic War. This is a fight for our survival.
    And there simply cannot be any place for some kind of relaxation or carelessness, incompetence or misunderstanding by senior officers of what they are doing - the existence of Russia is at stake, and not even the state of the Russian Federation, but Russia in principle, as a historical phenomenon. Defeat would mean she would be gone.
    There are objectively no prerequisites for such a defeat, whatever one may say, but things are bad for Ukraine, and only external interference can save the Kyiv regime.

    I hope that by the parade on May 9 it will already be clear what our victory in the NWO consists of.
    1. +6
      April 4 2022 18: 01
      Shortly before May 1945 (and even during it), Zhukov bombarded Berlin and ironed it with tanks, which, it would seem, from Peskov’s point of view, did nothing to create comfortable conditions for negotiations. However, negotiations were held and the desired result was achieved.
      And as for the fact that it is possible to “spam” important informational events in the news with Galkin and Kirkorov, it doesn’t work like that: there will be no official information, they will start looking for unofficial information, and there are too many sources of information now, not a TV with 2 buttons + Sovinformburo . In this sense, Konashenkov does not differ much from Peskov, journalists say that "the best news is bad news," and these gentlemen are in no hurry to voice them, therefore they are of no interest to anyone.
      If we compare ships in the port and helicopters at the oil depot, then these phenomena are exactly the same in terms of social assessment: both here and there they "failed". There is nothing more to add. And you don’t need to be an admiral or an aviation general for this conclusion. People are only interested in the details, and if they appear, then the result of the assessment will still be slightly affected. It's like climbing into a hollow and being surprised that you were bitten by bees. And in no way can you make a "good face" here, I agree with the author. But if you simply confirm the "jambs" and do not draw conclusions, then this is also not much better than silence.
  33. +8
    April 4 2022 14: 45
    The authorities do not listen to the people at all. they live in their reality, Peskov's last statement is a complete confirmation of this.
    If this was how propaganda was conducted during the Great Patriotic War, we would have lost.
    And now propaganda is much more difficult to conduct because the enemy is very powerful and strong. but our Ministry of Defense, instead of answering, simply remains silent and shows 3-minute briefings where the talking head talks about successes. Not confirming success with anything other than words. If this goes on, Russia will lose not only the informational but also the real war. Because if Ukraine has a fully mobilized army of a couple of million, no matter how technical superiority the Russians have, this will not help.
  34. +12
    April 4 2022 15: 36
    Kanashenkov and K * in the press center of the Moscow Region have no idea what modern informational counteraction to the enemy is and still lives on the Soviet patterns of the political officer, who was given a modern camera and a running line in front of his face. Stupidly read out like in the old days from a piece of paper and even he didn’t really understand what he had just rumbled about. In the units they talk about him "thinking bot, talking calculator, 100500 destroyed command centers." It’s time for the Moscow Region to think about replacing such Soviet talkers with modern, young, popular bloggers savvy in the information confrontation on the Internet and TV fields. Well, or at least hire people like Yuri Podolyak. Otherwise, the enemy will be on horseback in information.
    1. -1
      April 11 2022 08: 22
      Well, or at least hire people like Yuri Podolyak. Otherwise, the enemy will be on horseback in information.
      Do you also propose to hire a foreign agent who receives a salary from the Americans? What would the enemy definitely be the winner? And then you yourself, whose side are you on, by any chance not a fan of sisyan?
  35. 0
    April 4 2022 15: 56
    the enemy could just drive to the launch line

    Well, it’s just extremely doubtful that they would drive around there insolently during the day.
    the simplest option was used by Bayraktars. If the assumption is correct that only Saratov was unloading at the moment of impact, then it is clear that he was extremely vulnerable, again, he was directly opposite the fuel tanks, therefore, the impact on the other two large landing ships, apparently, did not cause serious damage. They could also take the dry cargo ship as a target, it is unlikely that they had accurate information on the situation in the port, they were guided only by what they saw from the drone cameras.
  36. +8
    April 4 2022 16: 41
    As a result, the information troops of the Russian Federation, led by Konoshenko, fail miserably this special operation, after its completion, organizational conclusions should be drawn and some people should say goodbye!
    1. 0
      29 June 2022 05: 25
      Hello from the future. There won't be any "goodbye". Judging by the promotion in rank, at the top with such "work" on the information front, on the contrary, they are very satisfied ...
  37. +6
    April 4 2022 18: 37
    Russia grossly underestimates the power of propaganda or does not understand how to conduct it at all. This can be seen on all the lost fronts of the info war. But in fact, this weapon is much stronger than any ship, even hundreds of ships if you use this weapon correctly. It was to them that the Saxons and their bitches were able to set representatives of one people against each other. And if the princelings of the Kremlin continue to turn a blind eye to this, there will be little good!
  38. -1
    April 4 2022 20: 21
    That way they will introduce a punishment of up to 15 years for private informing in the absence of official informing.
  39. +3
    April 4 2022 22: 49
    Thank you for your kind words at a difficult time.
  40. 0
    April 4 2022 22: 58
    The coverage of combat operations by the Russian Defense Ministry is extremely inefficient and belated.
    If our people are recruited from telegrams and YouTube, it would be more sense, but the costs are less than 100%
    1. 0
      April 11 2022 08: 32
      Our people are not on YouTube and cannot be. All at least some pro-Russian channels are blocked without explanation of the reasons. YouTube itself is conducting a frank Russophobic policy at the behest of the State Department. And there's nothing you can do about it.
  41. 0
    April 4 2022 23: 32
    It's just awful. How could two helicopters pass by the Russian air defense? Apparently we don't have it. What can we say then about low-capacity cruise missiles, which could also fly in. The same situation with the BDK. This is from the series "This is a Russian ship, give up." Everyone forgot that this is a war. Who provided air defense for the BDK? Who checked and controlled the UAV in the adjacent territory of the port (also missing). The author is right about violations of the modes of loading and unloading of the BDK. Why do our guys get ambushed. Where is intelligence, again UAV. It hurts to hear and see it all. One but..
  42. +3
    April 4 2022 23: 43
    Golovotyapstvr Russian. Whose is so terrible? Drowned the BDK? Sad, but not deadly
  43. +3
    April 4 2022 23: 49
    Because in the Russian Federation, stars on shoulder straps for generals fall not for the ability to fight or serve their state, but for the ability to bend in time and in the right place.
  44. +3
    April 5 2022 00: 22
    Version: Everyone knows that the Supreme Commander does not read the Internet. This means that supposedly there was nothing with the flooding of the BDK, if this was not in the reports of the RF Ministry of Defense. Prior to this, there was a PR campaign in all media with the arrival of the BDK and the distribution of gasoline in Berdyansk.
    EXIT: The best way out of this situation is to publish the results of the work of the commission of the RF Ministry of Defense on the situation with the BDK and refer to the need for this work.
  45. +1
    April 5 2022 04: 05
    Everyone understands perfectly well that the "work" of parquet generals who have perfectly mastered one profession, for the stars, of course, is servility to their superiors.
  46. 0
    April 5 2022 07: 51
    Where are the creative youth in the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry. One Glavpur junk. Konashenkov came out, muttered, and into the sunset. Not even funny.
  47. +2
    April 5 2022 08: 55
    We are losing the war for minds with a bang. Until our Ministry of Defense is able to establish normal coverage of the special operation, everything will continue like this.
  48. -4
    April 5 2022 09: 29
    . And the author, it seems, knows how to wage war better than everyone in the Ministry of Defense put together. Even if someone messes up, now is not the time to talk about it. There is a time for everything and every thing under heaven.
  49. +2
    April 5 2022 10: 01
    But are these heads with general epaulettes for public relations in the power structures of the Russian Federation with painted eyes, lips .... The task is mainly to read the text on the monitor in front of the camera? How many more of these with the shoulder straps of a colonel of the Investigative Committee, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies .... read texts in every republic, region of the Russian Federation?
  50. +2
    April 5 2022 12: 55
    To all the above questions from topwara users - how, why, why, how ...,. can be answered briefly, what kind of power - these are the results. Wherever devotion to management is taken as a basis, and not professionalism in work, in fact, the result is expected. At the necessary moment, these devoted personalities do not meet the requirements of the time due to their unsuitability. In peacetime, it rolls, in wartime, all these blunders become visible to the naked eye. That the department of Mr. Kanashenkov, that the pearls of the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Peskov, the talk show of Solovyov, Skobeeva (I personally feel sick of them - people earn money - a talk show). I do not pretend to be the only correct opinion, but it seems to me so. Warring guys,,, .... if possible, return home alive and healthy. And Russia will come out stronger and rid of these "devoted" personalities. After all, now there will be one question - to be Russia further or not. Too many evil forces have been disturbed by Russia's military special operation!
    1. -3
      April 5 2022 13: 08
      Quote: cmax
      All of the above questions from topwara users - how, why, why, how..., can be answered briefly

      Yes, literally three words: none of your business. With all due respect to you Yes

      Quote: cmax
      In peacetime it rolls, in wartime

      In peacetime, such questions can still pass for naivety; in wartime, they can don't get off.
      1. +3
        April 5 2022 13: 27
        Quote: Repellent
        Yes, literally three words: none of your business. With all due respect to you

        I don't care about your respect, my opinion is enough for me. About your business - this is my business and my opinion. So it is clear or to shut the mouth of others, this is your professionalism. Your comment is based on the principle: Will the war write everything off?
        1. -4
          April 5 2022 13: 35
          Quote: cmax
          Your comment is based on the principle: Will the war write everything off?

          No. My comment is based on the fact that chatting during a DB is harmful. An example, by the way, is described just in this article, read it, it's interesting.
          1. +4
            April 5 2022 13: 41
            Quote: Repellent
            Quote: cmax
            Your comment is based on the principle: Will the war write everything off?

            No. My comment is based on the fact that chatting during a DB is harmful. An example, by the way, is described just in this article, read it, it's interesting.

            You are aware that the Russian troops left Chernobyl, and today a chemical plant was blown up in Rubizhnoye. Rubezhnoye under Russian troops. Will we wait until the Chernobyl station is blown up? Donetsk is still being shelled, more than 40 days of the operation have passed. And is it a success? They were silent for more than a month, and now it's time to do something. One proposal yesterday - to release Azov from Mariupol without weapons to the territory of Ukraine is worth something. So we have denazification or what? I can't write obscenely, no way! And you keep quiet, it's convenient.
            1. -4
              April 5 2022 13: 53
              Quote: cmax
              Russian troops left Chernobyl

              Was there a confirmation from the RF Ministry of Defense? I haven't seen yet.

              Quote: cmax
              a chemical plant was blown up in Rubizhnoye

              One person died and one was injured. Do you, in general, know what "Dawn" is, and what does it do? If you blow it up, perhaps it will be heard in Moscow.

              This I mean that with the "blew up the chemical plant" you ... got a little excited.

              Quote: cmax
              Will we wait until the Chernobyl station is blown up?

              Proof on "the Russian military left" let's discuss rumors - a bad habit.

              Quote: cmax
              One proposal yesterday - to release Azov from Mariupol without weapons to the territory of Ukraine, which is worth

              Proflink to this proposal to the studio. It was about Azov, it definitely didn’t happen yesterday.

              Quote: cmax
              Motherly I can't write

              But in vain. Sit in the bath, chill a little laughing
              1. +2
                April 5 2022 14: 02
                Quote: Repellent
                Quote: cmax
                Russian troops left Chernobyl

                Was there a confirmation from the RF Ministry of Defense? I haven't seen yet.

                Quote: cmax
                a chemical plant was blown up in Rubizhnoye

                One person died and one was injured. Do you, in general, know what "Dawn" is, and what does it do? If you blow it up, perhaps it will be heard in Moscow.

                This I mean that with the "blew up the chemical plant" you ... got a little excited.

                Quote: cmax
                Will we wait until the Chernobyl station is blown up?

                Proof on "the Russian military left" let's discuss rumors - a bad habit.

                Quote: cmax
                One proposal yesterday - to release Azov from Mariupol without weapons to the territory of Ukraine, which is worth

                Proflink to this proposal to the studio. It was about Azov, it definitely didn’t happen yesterday.

                Quote: cmax
                Motherly I can't write

                But in vain. Sit in the bath, chill a little laughing

                https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/4/5/1152107.html. ( про Азов) На видном месте, про остальное тщательнее работайте на клаве, все найдете. Но если вы только Канашенкова смотрите, то конечно , информацию найти трудно, можно сказать почти невозможно. Читая вас вспоминаю Советско Финскую войну 1940 года. Всего по тем же лекалам. Самое страшное было потом!
                1. -3
                  April 5 2022 14: 47
                  Quote: cmax
                  In a conspicuous place, about the rest, work more carefully on the keyboard, you will find everything

                  There is no mention of the fact that Azov is supposed to be released. fail
                  request

                  Once again, the question is - where is the confirmation that the Russian troops left Chernobyl? Ukrainian sites are not interesting.

                  With "they blew up the chemical plant" you ... were deceived. I don't even know where to classify you now laughing
                  1. +2
                    April 5 2022 15: 02
                    Quote: Repellent
                    I don't even know where to classify you now

                    Damn classifier. How would you be more polite ....... enjoy your "wit".
                    1. -3
                      April 5 2022 15: 08
                      Quote: cmax
                      How could you be more polite...

                      More politely - together.

                      About "classification" - today in VO there is a large influx of specialists in sketches who are not able to confirm their words. I, actually, about it. Farewell for now.
  51. +4
    April 5 2022 14: 38
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    It seems that the information war in the RF Ministry of Defense, and indeed in Russia, is provided by strictly warmed-up or relatives or convenient people, with the corresponding result.
    You will laugh, but Podolyaka practically screams about it, not really controlling emotions anymore...

    It seems to me or this is so:
    Konashenkov = Peskov.
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  53. 0
    April 5 2022 18: 09
    And no one is responsible for the information war in the Russian Federation; it has been going on for 30 years. The leadership obviously doesn’t need it. What the sandblaster will sometimes say is laughter
  54. +1
    April 5 2022 18: 51
    Quote: bk316
    Well, they can’t, then they would simply block ANY information.


    And this is now impossible. Plus, the rumor machine will start working. How's the classic doing?

    Rumors at Petlyura acquired the character of a spontaneous, almost cosmic phenomenon, similar to the plague. It was a general hypnosis.

    These rumors have lost their direct purpose - to report fictional facts. Rumors have acquired a new entity, as if a different substance. They have become a means of complacency, a powerful narcotic drug. People found hope for the future only in hearsay. Even on the surface, Kievites looked like morphine.

    With each new rumor, their eyes lit up until then dull eyes, the usual lethargy disappeared, the speech from the tongue-tied turned into lively and even witty.

    There were rumors fleeting and rumors long in force. They kept people in deceptive arousal for two or three days.

    Even the most experienced skeptics believed everything, to the extent that Ukraine would be declared one of the departments of France and President Poincaré himself was going to Kiev to solemnly proclaim this state act, or that film actress Vera Cold collected her army and, like Joan of Arc, entered a white horse at the head of his reckless army in the city of Priluki, where he declared himself the Ukrainian empress.

    One time I wrote down all these rumors, but then I quit. From this occupation, or fatally collapsed head, or quiet rage came. Then I wanted to destroy everyone, starting with Poincare and President Wilson and ending with Makhno and the famous ataman Zeleny, who kept his residence in the village of Tripoli near Kiev.

    I, unfortunately, destroyed these records. In essence, it was a monstrous apocryphal lie and irrepressible fantasy of helpless, confused people.
  55. 0
    April 5 2022 19: 55
    It seems that at first they were talking about “Orsk”?
  56. +1
    April 5 2022 20: 01
    I would like to emphasize that only civilian transport was supplied with fuel from this facility. The oil depot has nothing to do with the Russian armed forces - of course, supplies are carried out from Kamchatka.... Info we are losing the war, especially since no one reads or broadcasts us abroad, the picture is only needed by the West.
  57. 0
    April 6 2022 02: 24
    Okay, we’ll figure it out with the BDK. But with the helicopters, not everything is clear. In my humble opinion, they either unloaded on our territory or took someone or something, and on leaving they fired at the oil depot. Because the attack itself is stupid, MI-24 this is a flying tank, a weapons complex that would have allowed half a district to collapse, but they made a couple of launches and left. More like a diversionary strike than a real attack. After all, they flew over the air defense and missile defense control zone for at least 100 km. And after fire contact, no less hundreds back. If there were not 2 helicopters. But two only probed the air defense of the area and diverted attention to themselves? What if there was a cargo of javelins, stingers, RPGs and it was transferred somewhere to a sabotage group?
  58. 0
    April 6 2022 12: 45
    Author, everything is correct
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  60. 0
    April 7 2022 08: 00
    The usual mess. Now, let's stop by and throw our hats in. The militants will run away, the rest will run to get flowers for the meeting. So those who ran for flowers are now lying near Kiev with a bullet in their head. Well, just a wonderful result of the information war! And not only informational...
  61. -1
    April 8 2022 12: 56
    If, after all, Ukraine continues to be liberated, it is necessary to leave regions 3-4 under Ukraine so that all of Ukraine’s financial debts hang on them. And ending the war, destroy these areas so that not a single building remains alive.
  62. 0
    April 9 2022 13: 46
    Yes, with such weak information support, one can easily “repeat” first February 1917, and then (God forbid) October of the same year with all the ensuing consequences. There, too, they lost the war first for the minds and moods of people, and only then on the battlefields.
    But even at the end of 1916, as if nothing had predicted it, Russia was confidently winning victories on the fronts and everything was heading towards the defeat of Germany. But in the end, out of the entire Entente, we were the only ones who lost.
    Now there is no Entente, we have to fight alone, but it seems that not everyone in Russia understands that now on the fields of Ukraine our soldiers are fighting not only with the Ukrainian Armed Forces and that the Third World War has already begun and is going on right now.
    1. 0
      April 14 2022 17: 20
      Quote: Common sense
      Russia confidently won victories on the fronts and everything was heading towards the defeat of Germany.

      Was Russian aviation already over Berlin?
      It is a myth. The Republic of Ingushetia did not have its own tanks and aircraft; imports were too small. And without air supremacy it is impossible to win.
      Read about the cartridge and shell famine in WWII, you will be surprised.
      http://topwar.ru/25350-patronnyy-golod-pervoy-mirovoy-oslabit-deficit-boepripasov-dlya-vintovok-udalos-lish-nakanune-revolyuciy.html
      To understand, according to the standards of that time, it took 150 shells and half an hour to hit a firing point.
      With a standard of 2000 shells per barrel, there were very rarely more than a hundred in warehouses.
      Don't believe perestroika propaganda about "The Russia we lost." Industry in the Republic of Ingushetia was 90% owned by foreigners. What kind of power and prosperity are we talking about?
      In essence, we were cannon fodder for the Entente. Much like modern Ukraine - NATO cannon fodder.
      1. -1
        April 14 2022 19: 32
        I just wanted to note that in the end the Entente defeated Germany without Russia, i.e. with Russia, Germany's position would have been even more difficult and the war would most likely have ended earlier. To win WWII it was not at all necessary to be near Berlin.
        Or maybe the French and British were near Berlin when the war ended with the defeat of Germany?
        1. 0
          April 15 2022 03: 23
          Quote: Common sense
          The Entente defeated Germany without Russia

          Germany was defeated by its own liberals, who staged a coup at the top and signed a capitulation. The Germans had every chance of winning. Until the autumn of 1918, the Germans did not lose a meter of their territory and the entire industry was working.
          The Americans even then tried to call themselves the main winners. Funny.
          1. -1
            April 15 2022 12: 00
            Did Germany lose that war? Lost!
            Did Russia win that war? No!
            What else is there to talk about?
            England and the USA received the maximum benefit from WWII. The ways they achieve their goals are already secondary. It is not always necessary to hang your flag over the Reistag to win. In fact, as a result of WWI, 3 European empires collapsed and ceased to exist. And it is doubly offensive that although the Russian Empire fought on the side of the winners, this still did not save it from collapse.
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  64. 0
    April 13 2022 23: 22
    . Another version is sabotage by Ukrainian special forces, possibly using mini-drones carrying explosives. Then everything is explained - they hit a large landing craft, another one, a fuel tank

    This is, of course, yeah. Everything is explained... what
    Maybe aliens...
    50/50. Either they do or they don’t...