Ukraine. Again, light vehicles replace the BMPT
Source: uralvagonzavod.ru
How many copies were broken in the heated debate of experts on the need for BMPT, how much Internet blood flowed in the battles of commentators to articles on this machine ...
Lots of controversy. Lots of bytes of blood.
The plans were to draw up a cycle for this car, starting with a difficult stories its creation by order of the USSR Ministry of Defense (yes, the concept of this machine was formed by the military themselves). Several chapters have been drafted. And then...Ukraine emerged into the world in its impudent inevitability.
I watch the chronicle and start to boil.
How familiar...
I am not an ardent supporter of this particular combat vehicle, but I am firmly convinced of the need for the existence of such a concept in service.
We talked about something like that during smoke breaks, dreaming in our fantasies, in the North Caucasus. We also had not a war there, but an operation, only counter-terrorist.
You understand what a thing is looming - the military during the fighting dream of such a machine, and the numerous army in the face of the GABTU, heaps of experts and the entire military community scratches their heads and cannot understand:
- how to use it,
- in what way in what type of war to use it,
- what kind of staffing should she do,
- where to register it: in a tank battalion or motorized rifle,
- where to get people for her and where to put their beds,
– what is it anyway?
So, maybe, after all, one of us is superfluous?
I suggest the following to the experts - go near Izyum, Kyiv, Gulyaipole, Nikolaev or even Mariupol. Approach the fighters who have just left the battlefield, tell them about the BMPT, and then ask:
You don't need her, do you?
I forgot to say that it is better to wear good running shoes. Come in handy. That's the whole story.
About the concept
I do not quite like the name - BMPT. The tank is not pants to support it. Yes, and they support "fire", not "machine". In Tagil, her name is "Frame". But let there be BMPT, it's okay.
She has no the concept of replacing motorized riflemen in battle, people cannot be replaced. It cannot "replace" 2 infantry fighting vehicles and MSVs. And in the "ensigns", for example, it will be longer? How many will be replaced?
Why all this nonsense?
Her main theses present concepts:
- caterpillar track,
- tank armor,
- small caliber automatic artillery.
For combat use, this universal fighting machine. Its essence:
30-mm twin automatic cannons under protection tank anti-ballistic armor.
This is how it should be perceived. Just. Clearly. It's clear. And its application will be found by itself. Do you understand? Of course.
Of course, 4 ATGMs and 2 automatic grenade launchers were hung on it. They put a wonderful multi-channel sight. But all these weapons will be used from time to time as necessary when hitting a certain type of object or combat conditions.
- There was a need to precisely zasandalit in the "window" - launched the "Attack".
- I found (finally!) the opportunity to use grenade launchers - I discharged into the enemy with bursts of two AG-17Ds.
But her main weapon is always, hear - always, he will find a job for himself - two 30-mm automatic guns 2A42 with an ammunition load of 900 rounds.
With direct fire contact of the opposing sides, 70% of the targets on the battlefield are food for small-caliber fire. Yes, from 5,45 to 30 mm.
Yes, large-caliber fire and ATGMs are the right and good gifts, but it is the small caliber that rules the ball on the battlefield. Just as the basis of all the troops of the world is not a tank and a rocket, but an infantryman with a machine gun.
About calibers
Is the 30th caliber good for the BMPT, or do you need a larger one?
Not exactly the right question. Each caliber has its own charms. We need a small caliber, and medium, and large.
Photo: Vitaly V. Kuzmin / wikipedia.org
Small - hits in bursts and saws everything slightly semi-armored.
Medium - breaks through serious cans and at a decent distance can pull someone exactly by the tail.
Large - it rarely hits, but like a normal, cultureless elephant, it destroys everything in the trash. Even what was not needed.
They are all needed for their tasks.
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Like hunting - shot for some, buckshot for others, a bullet for special characters. After all, no one will hoot a bear with a shot, and anger the geese with a bullet? Will not. And buckshot also has its own use. But if they shoot at ducks with buckshot, they instantly call psychiatry.
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Any targets for the 57mm caliber? If they really are, then you need to make a car with this caliber.
But all the salt with that goals for the caliber to 30-mm most in the war zone. And here normal, protected carrier of this weapons no. And more information about ammunition to think about:
* 30-mm (BMP-2) - 500 rounds in tapes, ready for use.
* 57-mm (BMP-3 "Derivation") - 148. And ready for use?
Do not think that I do not respect the 57 mm, I still respect it. And I understand that it is difficult to shove a 30-mm programmable fuse and there is little room for explosives.
But… Have you ever been hit by a 30mm burst?
It's not that sad. It's quite sad there. And if it didn’t kill you instantly on the spot or didn’t stuff it with fragments and all sorts of rubbish from ricochets - lie down, quietly sticking your muzzle of your face somewhere under the stones and into the pits.
Someone is killing. Someone, of course, is not. But all makes obediently stick the pumpkin to the ground or floor, but forget about the fact that you need to shoot. Unreal.
That's what a 30mm burst does.
Here it is, the scope for combinations when the surviving enemy does not have the opportunity to fire at you while he is under the line of an automatic cannon.
Between arrivals of mortar gifts, you can shoot and even run a little.
The time between tank shots can be calculated and even become impudent a little with a grenade launcher, without going into the PKT firing sector.
In the meantime, the “machine gun” is hammering at you, you can only crawl away, if there is such an opportunity, since soon everything around will begin to burn in the truest sense of the word.
And what can we do while the enemy lies with his glorious face down, while swotting "our" thirty?
That's right - whatever.
Carefully inspect his positions, shoot him, pick up your wounded from open areas, move to new positions, drink coffee calmly in the sun, and we can even run to the enemy, impudently visiting when “our” thirty subsides.
Here they will rejoice...
It seems that the thirty did not kill almost anyone with their fire, but how many useful things can be done. Not every more serious weapon is capable of this. It is capable of something else, but not everyone is capable of that.
About weapon carriers
We have 30-mm guns on armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, BMDs, MTLBs. These are light and medium armored combat vehicles.
At the moment, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, three concepts of "Platforms" are born in agony:
- the most armored tracked vehicles,
- medium armored floating tracked vehicles,
- Lightly armored floating wheeled vehicles.
Each platform has a full range of calibers.
All weapons between the platforms are unified among themselves. And all this is categorically correct, but this is a separate topic for discussion.
But from all this it follows that when we, tankers, go to carry out a combat mission, then vehicles go along with us, which, in comparison with our security, are tin cans. Yes, BMP-1, BMP-2 are tins compared to my tank. And the BMP-3 is also made of tin, just thicker.
Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
But we really need their weapons on the battlefield, for thirty there is always work in bulk.
And who said that the life of tankers is more expensive than the crew of the BMP-2? That's what it is...
- But let me! shouts the military expert. - You, of course, can be understood, you fought (I always wince at this word), and your emotions go wild! But now the TBMP T-15 has been developed, and it includes everything you are talking about, and even carries troops! BMPT is not needed!
I will not let it. That's why now there are also hostilities, and part of the losses could be to avoid, if the troops had a BMPT ... This is not a joke.
Yes, in the capacity that the BMPT currently has, the Armata Platform does not need it, another machine with a medium caliber will be quite prescribed there. But there is no “Armata” line yet.
And even if there were, then rearming all the parts in one wave of a magic wand will not work. In any case, the link between the T-72 and the BMP-2 would have existed for a long time. It is precisely in this bundle that the BMPT needs to be added.
In units where T-72s and BMP-2s are in service, there should also be BMPTs.
A simple example.
Where the art is aviation were able to plow everything - tanks and BMP-2s are coming with their "thirty" and infantry.
Where they could not or for some reason it is impossible to do this, tanks and BMPTs go, and the BMP-2 plays the role of an armored personnel carrier.
I repeat once again, we really need a highly protected combat vehicle with small-caliber automatic weapons.
Do you want to add BMPT with 2 mm to the "Tank - BMP-57" bundle? Yes, no problem, a decent weapon. But first, let's saturate the troops with the "old" BMPTs, the small caliber has a lot of work to do. Let's remove the BMP-2 at least from its deadly places.
Combat application
Have you ever seen a BMPT in action?
The military expert immediately recalls the video of the vehicle firing from two barrels and agrees that it is impressive.
And I remember my admiration when I watched the awesome bedlam that was happening on the target field of the Staratel training ground.
I didn't like the car itself, but the merry concert around the entire main line of fire of the tank director. There was real beauty for a military man.
I don't know where it can be not apply. She fits in wherever there is hell. And if it doesn’t exist, she will create it together with the tank.
BMPT has combat stability on the same level as the tank.
1. Offensive.
The machine works in conjunction with the tanks. Everyone has their own goals. There is a lot to write here.
To destroy an BMPT, the enemy will need the same amount of forces and means as to destroy a tank.
2. Defense.
It is also possible to work in conjunction with the tank, but also independently. In the trench, the crew is practically invulnerable, as it is located in the body of the vehicle. BMPT may be in reserve to eliminate breakthroughs or counterattacks. Here the "Attack" will not be superfluous at all - you can even strike from an ambush on a dare.
3. Escort of tracked and mixed Ribbons (columns). For BMPT, this is the song. Of the highly protected vehicles, so far we have a tank doing this.
It is she who can stick her muzzle into the ground with continuous bursts of her twins, and she will do it even better than a tank. Here, even aimed fire is not important, but "to the side" of the ambush. These precious seconds are paramount for a convoy that can be in time:
- run away, if possible, or
- dismount, disperse and have time to take up a competent defense, if there is no other way.
4. Fight in the village with private housing construction.
It is better to look into the inside of the yard "trunks from top to bottom", being in the body of the car, than on the roof of the Ural kung.
5. Fight in the city.
Here I will stop in more detail. Because it was the video from Mariupol that shook my memory.
The classic "Firs" in Ukraine are not yet visible, and I would not like to see them. The Christmas tree is built not for maneuverable combat in the city, but for "biting" into the enemy's defenses. An assault team with this type of "fireteam" simply destroys everything around it to rubbish. BMPT will be there in its element to cover the upper floors. What will happen to the civilians in the city, писал not so long ago. This is an old pain ... It's a pity that it comes true ... Nothing good.
And in Mariupol, a civilian sits on a civilian ... You can’t “Yolochka”. Accordingly, the tactics of using armored vehicles are different.
Screenshot from the first video
The armor rolled up, taking cover. The towerers rolled like peas onto the land, whispered with the infantry, nodded their helmets and went "on foot in a tank" to look at the route of advance and the "problem" house. They returned and instructed the mehan in their plans.
They jumped into the armor. They spun the gyroscope, turned on the FCS, drove the OF into the barrel. Sharp start. We went to the object of attack. Shot on the move. Reverse. Shot on the move. We left the firing zone. Seconds for everything.
The classic "Syrian exit". Work without infantry and support. Covering fire is very important at such a moment. Since the BMP-2 did not come out with the tank, it means that the risk of grenade launchers was high, and this is the death of the BMP.
The BMPT could provide not only fire cover for the tank, but also create unbearable working conditions for grenade launchers. The tank could have worked out the task better with 5-6 shots. Withdrawal first tank, then BMPT.
Screenshots from the second video
A tank and a BMP-2 take off. Together they rush to the “problem” object. The infantry fighting vehicle conducts practically continuous fire on everything from where a gift to the tank can fly.
The tank at this time, with the maximum rate of fire, hollows out the object, after which, moving backwards, it leaves the line of fire.
The BMP leaves the last, continuously watering everything around, until it also disappeared from the enemy's lines of fire. On the way back, the BMP turret looked straight back.
BTR-82A carefully makes its way under the cover of infantry to the "problem house".
Screenshots from the third video
A long queue. The car goes outside and, constantly moving back and forth, continuously pours fire on the object in a small area until a characteristic fire appears.
The crews of the BMP-2 in the second video and the BTR-82A in the third are Heroes whom I would respectfully hug and say to them a long phrase, where of all the words, only two were not obscene, these are “complete psychos”. Insane risk on tin cans. Which worked in these cases not as infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, but as a cover firing point in the first case and a means of destroying an object in the second. That is, like a BMPT.
They did the work of that machine, which they still cannot put into a normal series, because they don’t know ... how to use it and why.
I have no words.
Why is this happening again...
Afterword
It’s as if we don’t have free T-72 hulls and 30-mm guns in our country. Nothing complicated. No complicated prodigy. Lisaped was invented a long time ago and is quite inexpensive. Is it really so difficult to put at least 3-4 cars in each BTGr. That is, to introduce the MSBR into the state of TB. A company of 10-12 vehicles.
Believe me, those who are fighting will find them a place for combat use very well.
Even without the AG-17D, even without the "Attacks" and super sights, if it's so expensive.
And just a pair of 2A42s with 900 shots and a native PKT since 2000 are oiled in reliable armored hull of the tank.
And more of us will survive.
To complete the next combat mission.
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