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Is Russia losing space?

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Recently, the situation around Roskosmos resembles a cheap tragicomedy, in which the main roles are performed by the head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin and Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the issues of defense and space. These two characters occasionally make diametrically opposed statements, of which it is absolutely impossible to understand whether our “patient” is alive or rather dead. While Vladimir Popovkin repeatedly talks about the systemic crisis that hit the Russian space industry, Dmitry Rogozin (still hopefully not in the image of Ostap Bender) tells reporters about Russia's plans to build a research lunar base and setting super-goals and super-targets for the industry and the country. .

During the meeting with students of technical universities held last Thursday, 27 in September, the head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin stated that the Russian space industry is threatened with a systemic crisis. In the event that no emergency measures are taken that will be aimed at breaking the current situation in the industry, through 3-4 of the year Russia can completely lose its competitiveness at the global level, Popovkin said. Speaking about the future of the Russian lunar program, Popovkin noted that sending a person to the Moon with the current level of technology development is meaningless. Nowadays, it is much easier and cheaper to conduct research on a natural satellite of the Earth with the help of automated guided vehicles.

Quite a lot has been said and written about the crisis in the domestic space industry in recent months, and this problem is being discussed at the highest level. This is primarily due to a number of loud failures with space launches. The last of these occurred in August 2012, when the Proton-M launch vehicle was unable to launch Telkom-2 and Express-MD3 space communications satellites into 2 orbit. In December, the 2011 of the year ended in another launch - the launch of the dual-purpose Meridian satellite into orbit. Well, in November, 2011 of the year was unable to carry out its most expensive space project in Russia in recent years - the interplanetary space station Phobos-Grunt.
Is Russia losing space?

Dmitry Medvedev has repeatedly stated his dissatisfaction with the state of affairs that is taking shape in the space industry. In addition, the head of the Russian government made a proposal to introduce the property liability of space equipment manufacturers for the delivery of low-quality products. The Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin called for reorganization of near-Earth space research. In his opinion, Roscosmos enterprises should not duplicate their functions. Rogozin proposed to set a number of specific goals for Roscosmos, concentrating all available resources on their implementation. In his opinion, the most ambitious task, which today is within the power of Russia, could be the construction of a lunar base.

However, judging by the latest statements of the head of Roskosmos, before any serious programs of the Russian astronautics today - as before the same Moon on foot. Instead of implementing such large-scale projects, she should take up her own restructuring and optimization. Vladimir Popovkin speaks of the need for a serious reduction in the personnel of departmental enterprises, as well as the transfer of a certain part of production chains to the balance of private capital. Popovkin proposes to give the "lower floors" of the production chains of space production, which are associated with the manufacture of components, private structures. “Unfortunately, today in our industry there is no such thing as a contractor. We only have performers. There is the necessary raw materials, and then they do everything themselves. But at the moment we have to optimize this structure. And we will do it. It is necessary to carry out selective privatization ", - quotes Vladimir Popovkin RIA News.

It is assumed that private companies should receive orders on a competitive basis for the manufacture of various elements and components of space equipment. Whereas today it is such a situation that Roskosmos at the cosmodrome is engaged in absolutely everything. This transport service, food, and airfields. At the same time, Popovkin believes that Roskosmos should do only two things - launching launch vehicles and preparing spacecraft. All other operations must be outsourced, entrusted to private business, as this is more efficient. At the same time, Roskosmos itself, as a federal body, according to Popovkin, will leave the service sector to create the final product. According to him, today nobody needs just a snapshot from space, it is necessary to understand what exactly is in this picture and how it can be used - this is creativity for small business. The state needs to focus on two things - to support and manage the orbital grouping.

The head of Roscosmos proposes to implement in Russia a scheme that successfully functions in all leading space countries. In the United States, private research and production companies are involved in space development, while the state has only the function of setting goals and objectives, as well as the exploitation of a research and military space group.

But it is here that the good intentions of Vladimir Popovkin encounter purely Russian obstacles, which will be very difficult to overcome. The "space" government order will become a tidbit for thousands of different enterprises - potential suppliers of necessary services and components. Given the current practice in our country of selecting suppliers and conducting competitions, we can only guess what Roskosmos will be able to get at the exit. The risk of repeating the situation that is currently happening in aviation industries where a very large number of small and large private companies, including foreign manufacturers, take part in the creation of the aircraft.

At the same time, over the past several decades in the Russian industry a catastrophic drop in the production culture has occurred. The lack of new technologies and the loss of existing technologies led to the appearance of a huge gap between the space complexes of Russia and the developed space powers. In order to understand this, you can remember how hard and long it took to create the Russian modules of the ISS.

And although our country is still included in the cage of the leading space powers, the position of Russia today is extremely fragile. The modern world is quite satisfied with its role as the supplier of the old, inexpensive, but at the same time very reliable "Unions" for the delivery of crews to the International Space Station. But with the appearance of new ships in the United States or European countries (which is just around the corner), interest in Russian “old men” will diminish and our country's position in the area where it still remains competitive — in the space launch market — will be lost. At the same time, Russia is no longer able to catch up with its direct competitors in the field of space technology. This means that through those same 3-4 of the year, after the competitors have new generation ships, the status of Russia as a great space power will be in doubt.

Chronicle of failures of Roscosmos for the last 1,5 of the year

The fall of Glonass-M satellites into the ocean

5 December 2010 of the year due to an overabundance of fuel in the DM-3 upper stage could not be put into 3 orbit of the Glonas-M satellite, which fell into the Pacific Ocean. The damage from this accident amounted to 2,5 billion rubles.

Unable to put into orbit the spy satellite "Geo-IK-2"

1 February 2011 of the Russian military spy satellite Geo-IK-2, which was launched into space by the Rokot carrier rocket, was launched into an off-design orbit that does not allow the device to be used for its intended purpose. Satellite output to an unset orbit is associated with errors in the operation of the Briz-KM upper stage. The damage to the Ministry of Defense of Russia was not compensated, and the magnitude of the damage from this unsuccessful launch is unknown. The satellite was not insured, as it was a secret development.

Failure to orbit communication satellite Express-AM4

18 August 2011, the telecommunications satellite Express-AM4, which was sent into space by the Proton-M launch vehicle, also ended up in an off-design orbit. The reason for this was the fact that in the sequence diagram of the operation of the upper stage, the time interval of the gyro-stabilized platform backing was unjustifiably “narrowed”, which ultimately caused the orientation error during the maneuver. The satellite turned out to be operational, but it did not work to bring the device to the calculated orbit. The cost of the satellite was estimated at 7,5 billion rubles, the amount of insurance was paid by Ingosstrakh.

Progress M-12М cargo ship inconsistency with ISS

23 August 2012, the Progress M-12M cargo vehicle could not fly to the International Space Station (ISS). The “truck” was supposed to deliver food and equipment to the station. In total, the spacecraft should have thrown tons of payloads on the 2,6 of the 30. The spacecraft fell in Russia in Altai, the cause of its accident (the first years of operation in 3) was the abnormal operation of the 3,2 th stage of the Soyuz-U launch vehicle. Due to the clogging of the fuel supply path, the fuel consumption in the engine was stopped, which led to its emergency shutdown. The launch vehicle was not insured, the amount of damage amounted to XNUMX billion rubles.

The failure of the mission with the launch of the Phobos-Grunt interplanetary station

The most loud and offensive failure of "Roskosmos". 9 November 2011 the launch of the Phobos-Grunt interplanetary station, which was supposed to deliver rock samples from Phobos to the Earth, ended with a failure. After the separation of the interplanetary station from the Zenit launch vehicle, the apparatus did not turn on the engines, which should have brought the station to a high reference orbit in order to start in the direction of Mars. All attempts to establish communication with the device failed. The damage from a failed launch was estimated at 5 billion rubles.
Interplanetary Station "Phobos-Grunt"

The fall of the communications satellite "Meridian-5"

23 December 2011, the Russian communications satellite of the new generation “Meridian-5”, almost immediately after launch from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, fell to Earth. A telecommunications satellite that had a dual purpose (could be used for both military and civilian purposes) was put into high-elliptical orbit using the upgraded Soyuz-2.1b booster and the Fregat upper stage. The cause of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle crashes was caused by problems in the engine of the Fregat upper stage. The damage from this accident was estimated at 2 billion rubles.

Failure to orbit satellites "Telkom-3" and "Express-MD2"


The latest accident of the Russian space program. 7 August 2012, the Proton-M launch vehicle failed to launch Telkom-3 and Express-MDXNNXX communication satellites into orbit. The reason was the delayed start of the engine of the upper stage “Breeze-M”. The damage from this accident is estimated at 2-5 billion rubles.

Information sources:
-http: //www.utro.ru/articles/2012/09/28/1074525.shtml
-http: //www.forbes.ru/sobytiya-photogallery/84959-kosmos/photo/1
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. red-threat
    red-threat 29 September 2012 10: 39
    +18
    Popovkin's ideas to shove astronautics on bail to private business is gross nonsense. Is it not enough for him to have an "effective manager" at the head of the Ministry of Defense? The example is just egregious. The same will happen with the astronautics: the owner, whose goal is profit, for the astronautics, in which the bablos cannot be quickly repulsed, spit. So they will bend much faster than in the current situation. It is necessary to put things in order now, and not when the shopkeepers of the last research institute will change the store.
    1. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 12: 05
      +8
      I can give an example of yet another "effective manager" - MA Pogosyan.
      1. makano
        makano 29 September 2012 18: 54
        0
        Our fish rots from Popovkina
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 September 2012 10: 35
          -3
          Our fish rots from Popovkina

          Undoubtedly, everything is not going smoothly in the leadership of the department, but blaming everything on them is also not right. How the industry has been funded in recent 20 years is no secret. Why the youth did not go to work in space is also known to everyone. Instead of suspension bridges to nowhere and winter olympiads in the subtropics, IHMO would better use these funds to develop space technologies. I know that half of the money is stolen, but half would still go to the right thing.

          PS
          You might think Popovkin got "space" on the rise and ruined everything ...
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 30 September 2012 20: 53
            -1
            Quote: Professor
            How the industry has been funded for the past 20 years is no secret. Why the youth did not go to work in space is also known to everyone.
            - Greetings. Well, here it is clear, it is difficult to argue with this, all this is already on the verge of banalism.

            Quote: Professor
            IHMO instead of suspension bridges to nowhere and winter Olympics in the subtropics, these funds would be better spent on the development of space technology
            - alas, I disagree. Holding such large-scale events as the Olympics keeps the entire system of public administration in good shape, which is already overly inclined to work in a "relaxed" state. Keeps the construction industry in Russia in good shape and through it the entire construction industry, which also does not really interfere. Russian construction industry is far from being the most advanced in the world. In addition, such a large-scale reconstruction of a city for the Olympics, and now several more cities in the World Cup in football, reconstruction in accordance with the requirements of world standards is an infrastructure. I hope there is no need to further explain the infrastructure. Holding the Olympics, if we manage to hold it at the proper level, raises the prestige of the state. If you manage to hold the Olympics at the proper level, and even if it is accompanied by a successful performance of athletes, there is no stronger catalyst for raising patriotic moods. In Russia, this is now a sore point. There are too many Russians who think that everything Russian is obviously sucks, and the entire population is obviously a scoop, or And yet - an additional mass of sports facilities - there is where to write in some thread for the child, and even with convenient entrances, but what would he do in this sections in normal conditions, and not in semi-basements with enthusiastic coaches, as it was in my youth. True, the USSR devoted a lot of time and effort to sports, but still there was a shortage of sports facilities. The tourism business is gaining momentum. In general, I can cite a lot of pluses in favor of the Winter Olympics, but that's enough.
            But at the same time, I agree with you that more funds are needed to develop space technologies. True, not at the expense of the Olympiads, I do not understand why this should be mixed in one pile? If desired, Russia will find funds for the development of space technologies without infringing on the Olympics, the state is not at all poor. IMHO, here the trouble is a little different. Even giving more money will not give anything to the space industry. She is simply not able to master them effectively. The technological sphere lagged behind, the design technology lagged behind, again - the culture of production, it is indicated in the pack, again - the problem of personnel. Etc. This is not solved simply by an infusion of finance, you yourself know that. Finances are important, but Korolev is also very much needed. Popovkin - alas, not Korolev. Just a competent manager, whom it is good to put at the head of Roskosmos on the "rise", when everything is tested, debugged, you need to polish it a little, here to undermine it. But to carry out a major overhaul and make it all work again - here Popovkin, alas, is unlikely to cope.
            1. Professor
              Professor 30 September 2012 22: 59
              +2
              Holding such large-scale events as the Olympics keeps the entire system of public administration in good shape, which is already overly inclined to work in a "relaxed" state. Keeps the construction industry in Russia in good shape and through it the entire construction industry, which also does not really interfere.

              Yeah, look at Greece and Athens in particular. They did such an olympiad, but now they live in ... Now, if they had put that money into hi-tech, then maybe now they weren’t in such a confusion.
      2. donchepano
        donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 52
        0
        YES, ONE SURNAME WHAT IS ...
    2. Норд
      Норд 29 September 2012 12: 21
      +5
      The fish rots from the head...
      I think it is necessary to remove Popovkin, "the hands of the driver" and "all-perpetrator", and not to turn astronautics into a private shop. In Roscosmos itself, it is tough and merciless, as elsewhere, to restore order, which this gentleman clearly cannot.
      Difficulties and failures were and will be always and everywhere, even the Korolev had setbacks, but there was still a will and talent which, even with a microscope, was not observed by the head of Roscosmos.
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 29 September 2012 12: 58
        +6
        Almost all accidents are associated with untimely operation of engines.
        Most likely their software.
        How much would Americans pay for such happiness for them?
        1. freedom
          freedom 29 September 2012 18: 44
          +2
          And if the whole technological process is given to the commersants, then the components will be tumbled down from China. Then it’s clear what will happen. The second question, if we started talking about transferring our space to commercial rails, it means that people in the industry have ripened (they will let strangers into this pie) who are ready to pay money for the purchase of factories and enterprises. But again the question is, where did these people get the money from? Previously sawn what was allocated to space programs?
          1. FID
            FID 29 September 2012 20: 02
            +2
            Or maybe easier? Privatize cheaply, scoop out all that is left, sell what you got out and hello ... Anyway, this is how most "effective managers" work.
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 53
              -2
              ALREADY ALL RUN ... SUCH SIANS
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 29 September 2012 21: 35
      +1
      It's a shame! Our fathers and we to some extent (we are those born in the fifties) developed, achieved tremendous success in astronautics. Now the collapse. And that was to be expected. In a country that receives money by selling "people's welfare" (oil and gas), without developing or investing the money received in the development of industry, but saving this money for a rainy day in America, where they work, or the money settles on the accounts of oligarchs in offshores that invest them in the industry of the USA or England or buy real estate, yachts, football and basketball clubs on them, this country will achieve nothing but become a raw material appendage of the West. Until the Government and the President learn, and most importantly do not want, to invest in the development and modernization of the industry, nothing will happen, and our missiles will fall, and Putin will look for the guilty and appoint new chiefs. Even if they were "seven inches in the forehead", they will not achieve anything.
  2. Hippopotamus
    Hippopotamus 29 September 2012 11: 05
    +1
    Oh, mom, mom, it hurts me ... [K. Kinchev]


    To eat the earth and, having bit a bit, to tear to the stars - what else remains!? ...
    1. snek
      snek 29 September 2012 16: 13
      +1
      Beautiful, figurative, but how to put it into practice?
      1. FID
        FID 29 September 2012 16: 41
        +3
        Obviously, if I understood correctly, "eat the earth".
  3. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 11: 13
    +3
    "The state needs to focus on two things - to maintain and manage the orbital group." The main thing is to push more responsibility off your shoulders and have almost nothing to answer for ... As usual, everything is stupid and corny am
  4. not good
    not good 29 September 2012 11: 26
    +5
    Mr. Popovkin proved his inability to manage Roscosmos more than once.With constant funding, this effective manager drove the space industry into a systemic crisis and, instead of acknowledging his mistakes, resigning, freeing up space for professionals, continues to cling to the place to generate new ideas. The lack of professionalism of managers is a trouble that the current government does not see at point blank range, and if so, new equipment failures are just around the corner, as it is not regrettable.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 54
      -1
      YES, THE POPKINS "OUR FUTURE"
  5. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 29 September 2012 11: 28
    -1
    Russia cannot lose space !!! It is just necessary to seriously engage in the modernization of missile technology production facilities! And also to develop technologies, the fact that the management system on the latest unions is now digital is certainly good, but you can not stop there!
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 55
      +1
      ALREADY LOST WHILE YOU HAVE DAMBED
  6. sxn278619
    sxn278619 29 September 2012 12: 00
    -2
    Why won't a scheme that works effectively in other countries (private business) work in Russia?
    Will we go the other way?
  7. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 September 2012 12: 19
    0
    It’s interesting on the ISS that they fly only in unions, ESA won’s also with a transporter, and we also lose space?
    1. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 12: 31
      +7
      In the footsteps of Space-X in the United States are several companies. According to NASA, Orbital sciences is also developing a cargo ship and is planning a demonstration flight this winter.
      Work continues in the United States on the creation of manned spacecraft, which will be used on a commercial basis. Sierra-Nevada intends to build its Dream Chaser, designed for seven people, by 2016.
      Boeing Corporation is to order NASA to design a heavy launch vehicle for launching into low Earth orbit and into outer space of the Orion manned spacecraft. According to ITAR-TASS, the ship itself is developing the American aerospace giant Lockheed Martin.
      In the future, Orion can be used for flights to the ISS. Since the termination of the Space Shuttle program last year, US researchers are heading to the ISS aboard Russian Soyuz.
      Tests of the Orion ship without a crew should begin in 2014, and Boeing plans to begin testing its heavy carrier in 2017. At the same time, Boeing, together with partners from Bigelow Aerospace, is developing its own version of the spacecraft, called the CST-100 (Crew Space Transportation).
      In early August, NASA management announced that it would allocate a total of $ 1,1 billion to these companies for the construction and testing of spacecraft. Representatives of the department note that the NASA policy helps to expand opportunities for the commercial use of space and create new conditions for exploring the universe. Space projects will give the United States thousands of new jobs, the spokesman said.
      And we have only Soyuz-TMA, the development of shaggy times. And all the talk about creating new manned ships rests on money.
  8. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 29 September 2012 13: 13
    +2
    We are not a cosmos .. we are losing an empire .. aaaaa sad
  9. Allegedly
    Allegedly 29 September 2012 14: 03
    +5
    Is space lost? Empire is lost? What are you talking about? There was a scandal recently, Russia bought bricks from China for refractory masonry in the furnaces of reactor boilers from China. Do you know why? In the media, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OSK) Andrei Dyachkov explained that during tests at sea by removing the boilers one by one, the refractory masonry in the boiler furnaces was repaired, but, nevertheless, with subsequent access to large capacities, it again partially collapsed .

    According to Dyachkov, "Chinese-made fireclay bricks" were used in the masonry, since the Russian production of these materials was lost. Lost ... Full house ... Curtain ...

    Bricks (even fireproof) ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 29 September 2012 16: 37
      +3
      Somewhere they wrote that the production of bricks in Russia is lively and healthy, but for some reason they preferred to order bricks in China - I wonder why? What do you think, the customer at that moment was thinking about the interests of the country or about his own pocket?
    2. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 29 September 2012 17: 59
      -2
      Bricks are garbage, the main thing is wood, water, metals, energy sources, and we have enough brains for our brains.
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 58
        +1
        FORESTS IN THE FAR EAST CHINESES ALREADY KNOWN ANYTHING ..
        INSTEAD OF FOREST FIGURE FOREST PLANTED
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 56
      0
      FOR A LONG TIME EVERYTHING WAS "LOST" ... BY ACCIDENT
  10. Raiven
    Raiven 29 September 2012 14: 40
    +4
    EEE people take their feet in their hands, not those officials in the ass and conquer space back! In the USSR, almost everything was the first. The Slavic leg should be the first to enter Mars. Amer Moon enough, the Chinese, Indians and OST. let it go so far, MARS WILL BE OUR am
  11. Nechai
    Nechai 29 September 2012 15: 02
    +2
    Quote: redthreat
    Popovkin’s ideas to push the astronautics on bail to private business is a heavy nonsense.

    Yes, this is NOT his idea. He just draws a general line. Remember, we are constantly being told that no official can manage property, production, etc., as effectively as a hired manager. To this end, and yet another one privatization gathered to carry out. Modestly so without advertising, but who becomes the owner! The same are the most ineffective officials. And this garbage will continue exactly as long as we tolerate them. And our cosmonautics, within the framework of this system, public, private, no difference, will remain without ambitious, without competition, on the cast give, bring, go out! Just a political course like that. DAM openly instructed - we should not cross the interests of either Amers or Europeans. Wait a while, wait, here and China will be included.
  12. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 15: 33
    -1
    Here, google on the topic: yubik.net.ru ›news / 2012-09-28-3908 Very interesting!
  13. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 29 September 2012 16: 33
    +4
    Outsourcing will also be introduced here - it will be possible to forget about cosmonautics altogether, forget it forever ...
  14. Nechai
    Nechai 29 September 2012 18: 10
    0
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    outsourcing

    YOU are right, Brother! Outsource it from the top to go. It was introduced over the state apparatus, and then these METASTASES began to creep and multiply ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 29 September 2012 18: 37
      0
      There are typos, what’s wrong with that?
      And you have "state department" deliberately or simply missed - I just did not understand?
  15. Stasi.
    Stasi. 29 September 2012 18: 40
    +3
    As long as non-professionals manage the industries, nothing will come of it. Serdyukov, Zurabov, Golikova, Popovkin and others, they have no numbers. It is beneficial for the government to put non-professionals or, to put it another way, non-combatants. To see such a policy is beneficial to Putin, otherwise he would never have made the former tanker, whom Popovkin is, the head of Roscosmos.
    1. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 18: 57
      +4
      And the Minister of Defense - Serdyukov ..... + to you!
      1. snek
        snek 29 September 2012 19: 04
        +1
        I agree. But all these people (and many other non-professionals of the same rank) do not on their own appear in these positions, they are appointed there and who is responsible for these appointments, I think there is no need to tell.
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 29 September 2012 22: 59
      0
      SMILE))) - THE SPACE DRIVES THE TRACTORIST ...
  16. Kir
    Kir 29 September 2012 18: 44
    +4
    It’s especially a shame for the generation of our fathers and mothers who created such a backlog, and now !!!
    I live near the Khrunichev center, in place of the houses and the "forest" there should have been workshops and a strip of alienation !!! And now .... It's just disgusting and sad at heart and .... !!!
    1. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 18: 58
      +1
      I worked at 1MPZ, also side by side. I support and understand!
      1. Kir
        Kir 29 September 2012 19: 05
        +2
        So my father went to supervise you, and your citizen razors did pretty good, but now it seems at home !!!
        1. FID
          FID 29 September 2012 20: 05
          +3
          They do nothing there and privatize the land of Deripaska and Polonsky was not given. There you can’t go underground .... They got a bummer!
  17. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 29 September 2012 19: 25
    +7
    the situation is called arrived
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 30 September 2012 01: 31
      +4
      Ha ha ha, at first the country was ruined for the sake of jeans, makdaka and chewing gum Bombib, and now they demand that we go ahead of the rest? Do not you ... are you, dear, who lived in the late 80s and early 90s? Enjoy your choice now ...
  18. Forward
    Forward 30 September 2012 00: 40
    -2
    Who and why raises dust? Russia will never lose space! stop
  19. suharev-52
    suharev-52 30 September 2012 01: 25
    +2
    We have almost lost it. The country is being debilitated. Take a look around. Only industries pumping resources abroad effectively work for us. That's it, come. I do not remember in which book on management, there was a thought remembered for a long time. Any leader tries to staff subordinates not smarter than themselves. Very accurate. And look at the iPhone. Sincerely.
  20. thatupac
    thatupac 30 September 2012 01: 34
    -1
    And in Zheleznogorsk, ISS constantly receives orders, many successful satellite orbits. But people don’t need a positive; give them chernukha. Well, to hell with them. But in our city, the city-forming enterprise is working successfully.
    1. AIvanA
      AIvanA 30 September 2012 14: 08
      0
      And who works with success? Whose orders are it?
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 1 October 2012 06: 10
        -1
        Mostly foreign. It happens that domestic. Who cares who! The main thing is to pay ...
  21. AIvanA
    AIvanA 30 September 2012 14: 07
    +1
    I noticed such a moment, I am not an expert in this field, but the destruction of the Russian space industry began after the beginning of close cooperation with the United States, after which the flywheel went to spin.
  22. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx 30 September 2012 16: 35
    0
    The astronautics must be developed at an accelerated pace and money should not be spared on it since it will ultimately provide advanced technologies, and as a result, the growth of the economy and industry.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 30 September 2012 17: 22
      0
      Quote: gorko83
      The astronautics must be developed at an accelerated pace and money should not be spared on it since it will ultimately provide advanced technologies,

      This is the sad result of the restructuring of Gorbachev !!
      And then ........... financing, education, materials technology, electronics and space policy! All this with a minus sign! So what kind of victories are you waiting for ??
  23. Dryomin
    Dryomin 2 October 2012 03: 03
    -1
    Nowadays, it is much simpler and cheaper to conduct research on the natural satellite of the Earth with the help of automatic controlled vehicles.


    And when was it cheaper with the participation of people? ..