Three crushed elephants of Ukraine

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Some sources claim that our Earth is a hemisphere or even a flat formation that rests on three elephants. What the elephants stand on is not so important, the main thing is that there are three of them. And there is a whale or a turtle - this is secondary. Especially for Ukraine.


Likewise, the army of Ukraine, clearly believed that their three elephants would allow the world to stand firmly and firmly. Moreover, it all started long before February 24th. To be honest, the conversations began in November 2021, and in these conversations the same refrain sounded: the Russian army will be defeated, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have: Javelin, Stinger and Bayraktar.



However, the first month of the special operation on the territory of Ukraine showed that many things turned out to be too optimistic.


Yes, the Ukrainian army has confirmed that it is indeed the most combat-ready army in Europe. Without exaggeration. Half a million people who have gone through baptism of fire in the Donbass during the eight years of the civil war are no joke. These are people who know and know how to survive and fight, who have been under mines and bullets. And if we add on Nazism, which took root and bore fruit in the form of, if not a high fighting spirit, then a substitute for it, moral obstinacy, then in fact everything is pretty decent.

Of course, in terms of technical equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - they are still rogue, although, of course, they look cooler than, say, the same Romania or Bulgaria, but for the most part they are also armed with the remnants of the Soviet heritage. Of course, the heritage is being modernized, but at such a pace that it's just sad to look at it.

Of course, when all the military industry is capable of is the production of five tanks new generation, and many upgrades come down to reinstalling Soviet weapons on the Ukrainian chassis from KrAZ, it is clear that the same Javelin looks like some kind of “miracleweapon».

And now we’ll talk about this “miracle weapon”.

In fact, the conversation is not very interesting. A lot of reasonable people, including those on our pages, spoke out in terms of the fact that Javelins, Stingers and Bayraktars would not be able to solve problems from the word “absolutely”. Why can't they?

And because you need to look at the complex.

Let's start with the main disappointment.

"Bayraktar"


Three crushed elephants of Ukraine

It seems that the “Zen” of this device has become clear. This is his price. It was the low cost that made "Bayraktar" the "hit of the season". From 2,5 to 5 million dollars apiece, and the Turks will sell a set of two control stations, six TV2 devices and two hundred ammunition in bulk for only 70 million dollars.

Available even to such poor armies, which is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Ammunition is also very budgetary: adjustable glide bombs with a laser guidance system MAM-L and MAM-C. In fact, these bombs are L-UMTAS ATGMs, which have had their rocket engine removed and the tail area increased for better planning, leaving the guidance system. Very cheap and cheerful if you get it right. And you can get there in the same way as controlling an ATGM, that is, by illuminating the target with a laser. Illumination can be carried out by Bayraktar itself, and by some other device.

MAM-L is equipped with a tandem or thermobaric warhead weighing up to 10 kg, MAM-C is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 2,5 kg. The planning range of ammunition is about 8 km, and the accuracy is up to 1 meter.

You can also hang two UMTAS ATGMs, but this is no longer a budget solution.

As a result, it turns out that TV2 is a very cheap high-precision weapon. Possessing advantages and disadvantages, but for a cheap local war it’s better not to come up with. The advantages, in addition to the price, include the initial good and diverse set of weapons. In addition, the very design of the “Bayraktar” of the “Do it yourself” type really allows you to assemble it anywhere using various components.


More disadvantages. And here we will talk about them in more detail, because they outweigh the advantages.

1. UAV, whatever one may say, but this is not a plane. Yes, it has its own reconnaissance and strike niche in a modern military conflict, it is quite suitable for certain types of applications, but this is not an aircraft. The operator cannot control the surrounding area through the camera as effectively as the pilot with his radar. Hence the vulnerability, especially since the radar radiation sensors at the Bayraktar, as shown by the special operation in Ukraine, work so-so. And often, the UAV, which was already in the zone of operation of the air defense system, walked as if nothing had happened. To your final.

2. The range of the UAV is limited by the communication range. The radio channel allows you to control Bayraktar at a distance of up to 150 km, in addition, the radio channel can be paralyzed by modern electronic warfare equipment. Can be used drones- repeaters, but this does not improve the operation of the system as a whole, but rather complicates it. This is exactly what the Azerbaijani army did, starting to use heavy Israeli-made UAVs to transmit data to the control center via satellite. But for the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is not an option, since Ukraine does not have any repeaters or satellites.

3. Guidance of ammunition. The low working ceiling of 5 km is reduced by half due to the operation of the guidance laser. The operating range of the Bairaktara LCC is no more than 3,5 km, which means that in order to illuminate the target, it is necessary to decrease to 2-2,5 km. That is, the UAV easily finds itself in the working area of ​​the Pantsir-S1 and Tunguska guns. We don’t even talk about missiles, here a queue of people is lining up, the main of which is Tor-M2, which shot down, shoots down and will shoot down Bayraktars easily and simply.


It’s also not worth writing off Pantsir-S1, the complex has been greatly improved precisely in terms of hitting low-flying low-speed targets following the results of its use in Syria.

It turns out in the end exactly what we have already said: "Bayraktar" is good for use only where there is no normal opposition. Yes, in Libya and Karabakh, he proved himself well, but in Libya, according to the LNA, 47 Bayraktars were shot down, the opinions of independent sources agree on the number 18. But the LNA had at its disposal the Pantsirs, which were leased to them by the Emirates.

There was really nothing to counteract in Karabakh, the old "Osa" and "Arrow" are not an adversary to a rather inconspicuous UAV. As soon as the Armenian army brought Torahs into Karabakh, the Azerbaijani army began to lose Bayraktars.

The use of "Bayraktars" by the Ukrainian army became an illustration of exactly what was said above. The short range of TV2 does not allow strikes at the rear, there are many weapons on the front line that can hit the drone.

Yes, the defeats of Russian equipment were captured on video, but after watching several videos that claim to be authentic, I would like to note the exceptional episodic use of Bayraktars, and mainly for single targets. Pretty reasonable, but not efficient.

In addition, in the conditions of modern opposition, Bayraktar in a special operation in Ukraine actually becomes a kamikaze drone, with no chance of returning.

The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of 35 of the 36 TV2 that Ukraine had. Various sources give numbers from 21 to 26 shot down drones, but "Bayraktars" will still be used in Ukraine, since they continue to be both imported and assembled on the territory of Ukraine from components.

But as a result, it remains only to note that "Bayraktar" is not a means of combat influence on the enemy when it comes to the Russian army. Here, the Ukrainians made a clear miscalculation, the shock UAV is an assistant, but not a means of replacing aviation.

Javelin



In general, "Jav" quite claims to be the most touted anti-tank missile system in the world. As expected, in general, the product of the American military-industrial complex. All the best is there.

Of course, the complex, if you look at the TTX numbers, then the "Jav" is simply beautiful. But here I have one single “harmful” question: if the complex is so good, why are so few people buying it ... in the USA?

The situation is generally superb: by selling the Javelin to everyone who can (and who cannot) pay, the United States for some reason limits itself. In 2020, the US Army purchased 672 missiles, in 2021 - 763 pieces. At 7100 declared launchers - a drop. Simulators are simulators, but combat shooting is the basis of everything.

Everyone knows the answer, and it is one of the answers to the question about the shortcomings.

1. Insane cost per shot. It is no longer a secret that often the targets for which the Javelin is launched are cheaper than ATGMs. On the "black" arms markets in Africa and the Middle East, a T-55 tank in a state of "on the move" and with ammunition can cost 100-120 thousand dollars. And the T-72A will cost from 150 to 200 thousand.

Today, one launch block for the US Army costs about 200 thousand dollars, the cost of a rocket ranges from 172-178 thousand dollars.

In general, if you missed, it is better not to think about the consequences. And if used in hostilities, then really, only if you get it for free, like Ukraine.

2. Calculation. For the normal (quick) movement of the entire Javelin farm, two, and preferably three, people are needed. And one of them must be a trained operator. Education is slow and very expensive. FGM-148 is not an RPG-7, you need to understand.

And you can easily lose the calculation with a trained operator. “Jav” unmasks itself well with a launch, and if the calculation immediately after the release of the rocket did not begin to rapidly leave the area, then everything can be written off.

Further follows from item 2. The launch range of the FGM-148 missile is only 2-2,5 km. That is, it is enough for the calculation to be detected visually and something unpleasant to be sent there. And yes, aiming, which takes a long time for the GOS to “remember” the target, must be carried out while in the line of sight of the target.

The war in Syria, by the way, confirmed that Javelin operators do not live long even in urban areas.

3. "Smart" but slow rocket. At a working range of 2,5 km, the rocket flies as much as 13 seconds. It's a lot. If the launch was noticed, then the tank crew has an eternity to “close”. Moreover, the most elementary smoke, since the optical guidance mode allows this. However, much has already been written about this.

GOS "fire and forget" is also not without flaws. Very often, the missiles did not keep the target in lockdown and missed due to the lack of contrast in the target's environment. And the operator after the launch no longer has the opportunity to retarget the rocket or correct its flight. That is, again 170 thousand into the void.

In general, in Ukraine, the Javelin, as expected, did not become a “wonder weapon”. Still, to control this ATGM, highly qualified and nerve-strength calculations are required. Judging by how many Javelins the LDNR fighters have already got, there are clearly problems with the second one.

In some places, FGM-148s were used and caused damage to Russian equipment, but it cannot be said that this happened massively and everywhere. Where there were well-trained operators - yes, there is nothing to hide. And where the Javas just went to the masses ...

And of course, the fact that the Ukrainian military uses complexes for which not a single hryvnia was paid makes their life much easier. True, it does not help as much as we would like.

"Stinger"



Perhaps the most controversial member of our hit parade. The oldest in terms of age and even actually retired. However, no, and the Sting is still in service.

What can be said about the use of "Stinger" in Ukraine? Yes, MANPADS are used. Sometimes even successfully, at least more successfully than in Syria, where in the province of Idlib, where several dozen Stinger launches were carried out against Russian Su-24s. None of the missiles hit the target.

The Stinger, like its colleagues in the MANPADS workshop, is a weapon that is effective at low and extremely low altitudes both against aircraft and helicopters, and against UAVs. The complex, due to its small mass, allows you to carry / transport and use it in conditions where the use of conventional air defense systems becomes problematic: forest, mountains, urban development.

In its niche, MANPADS have practically no enemies. The short range at very high speed does not allow aircraft pilots time to respond. Moreover, if the launch of a MANPADS missile is carried out "at close range", which is 1-2 km by aviation standards, then even the automation of aircraft and helicopters may not have time for countermeasures.

Of course, for the Stinger, the ideal position is when the operator shoots sideways in pursuit from a distance of 1-1,5 km. The rocket flies for 2 seconds and the target has almost no chance if the head has locked the target.

The greater the distance, the greater the possibility of getting away from the rocket or knocking down its aiming at the engine heat spot, using the same heat traps, which are fired automatically.


Of course, if a laser guidance system is used for missiles, then any aircraft has sensors that warn of laser irradiation. In the case of a passive infrared seeker, everything is more complicated.

Again, the Stinger is good at close range and low altitude. Passport firing range announced from 200 to 4500 meters. That is, the height is not more than 2 km, but this is also quite high, because the operator needs to make optical contact with the target for guidance.

The main problem of MANPADS is the need for direct direct contact with the target to guide the missile seeker to the engine heat spot.

As for Ukraine, there was only a partial success of the Stinger, because at altitudes up to 1500 m, MANPADS are really good, but higher up, it has less and less chances. Even if we take into account that the missile can fly more than the declared 4500 meters (the Stinger had cases of hitting targets at long distances), the target will have time to react and defend.

Given the infrared homing head, shooting off heat traps becomes the best countermeasure. However, it has long been a classic, like the Stinger itself. The only question is the time to react.

Why didn’t the Stinger in Ukraine become a “wonder weapon” that would literally wipe out all Russian aviation from the sky?

It's simple: mainly those types of aircraft that flew at low altitudes fell under the attack of MANPADS. That is, attack helicopters and attack aircraft. It is they who have to work in the range of heights that the Stinger shoots through.

But the main blows during the special operation were delivered by Su-34 bombers with high-precision weapons, allowing them to work from high altitudes, where the Stinger was not only ineffective, it simply could not climb there.

And the Su-25 attack aircraft, which flies at high speed over the area, is also not such an easy target.


***


The result of everything will only be a repetition of previously made conclusions: modern combat, modern operation, modern warfare does not allow victories with the help of some kind of “miracle weapon”. Not like that, with the exception of nuclear.

So no matter how good the Bayraktar is, it needs a clear sky, without enemy fighters and helicopters, without air defense systems, especially sharpened to search for and destroy small targets.

The Javelin is a very serious anti-tank weapon, but it needs trained operators and a minimal chance for them not to become a disposable suicide squad. And the enemy’s lack of means on the battlefield capable of detecting and destroying the calculation.

The Stinger is good in every way, but it works at very low altitudes. And it is practically impossible to complicate the life of enemy aviation if there is no medium and long-range air defense system.

Balance and saturation with various equipment capable of solving the widest possible range of tasks - this is the task that any army must solve for itself.

When there is no normal front-line aviation, the best attack drones will not solve the problem. And so it is in everything.

Unfortunately for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ukrainian specialists were able to understand and appreciate this too late. But by this time, three elephants, on which the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the Russian army rested, were crushed. And not by circumstances, but precisely by the detrimental state of the Ukrainian army, which had practically nothing to oppose to the Russian army, except for the fanaticism of its fighters.
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  1. +26
    29 March 2022 04: 43
    ***
    They asked NATO for Javelins and Stingers,
    and they sent Vaseline and a thong...
    ***
    1. -1
      29 March 2022 11: 41
      Not a bad article. Disagree on only one
      What the elephants stand on is not so important, the main thing is that there are three of them. And there is a whale or a turtle - this is secondary. Especially for Ukraine.
      Everything is wrong in Ukraine, where an elephant stands on three turtles, and the poor man got up so badly that his mother would not grieve, she would have resisted. lol
    2. +4
      29 March 2022 12: 34
      The Turks recently planted Bayraktara's ukrams again. When will the Russians realize that by vacationing in Turkey, they are thereby supplying the economy of an ambiguous "partner"? And the Turks meanwhile chuckle.
      1. 0
        25 June 2022 12: 34
        the old "Wasp" and "Arrow" are not an adversary to a rather inconspicuous UAV
        For Wasp, yes, however, B and Strela (Arrow-10 means) bayraktar is a typical target. They were not shot down in Karabakh due to electronic countermeasures (and not the fact that not by Russian stations) The Kaaba war was allowed to Aliyev to educate Pashinyan, who had beguiled the coast. Most likely, it was planned to overthrow him and instruct the population on the true path. Dropping didn't work. But it worked out. If it were not for politics, these prodigies would fall from the sky like snow in winter
  2. -17
    29 March 2022 05: 02
    Damn ... We need to make an attack aircraft with two turboprop engines and armor made of a solid titanium plate, like on the Su-34. There will be no effective ground-based air defense systems against him.
    1. +11
      29 March 2022 05: 32
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      . There will be no effective ground-based air defense systems against him.

      You probably joked not well, you forgot to add a smiley at the end.
      1. -16
        29 March 2022 08: 13
        Why joke? Stingers and other missiles with an IR head work only on jet engines, and now they are the most effective air defense system for low-flying attack aircraft.
        1. +11
          29 March 2022 08: 45
          Quote from Andy_nsk
          Why a joke?

          Yes, because the temperature of the exhaust gases of a turboprop engine is not much lower than the temperature of the exhaust gases of a turbojet engine, if you do not take the afterburner mode! The stinger even aims at a helicopter, although there is a turboshaft engine and the temperature of the exhaust gases is even lower. A device for mixing air flows is also used, which is necessary to further reduce the temperature of the engine exhaust gases.
          1. +7
            29 March 2022 09: 16
            Thanks! It's nice to talk to smart people. Got excited!
        2. +1
          29 March 2022 08: 49
          Quote from Andy_nsk
          and now they are the most effective means of air defense for low-flying attack aircraft.

          You probably decided to advise the military industry of the Russian Federation to file a project similar to the EMB-314 Super Tucano, putting another theater in it? or type A-10 Tunderbot II with the replacement of 2x turbojet engines with 2x turbojet engines? The presence of an assault component in our army is sufficient (which does not cancel the modernization of old sides and the design of new concepts). My opinion is that attack aircraft with high-pressure rocket engines are intended for operations against insurgents, drug trafficking can be for border guards, where the use of MANPADS is minimally possible.
          1. +3
            29 March 2022 12: 07
            We have such projects. Here's from Sukhoi:
            1. +2
              29 March 2022 14: 05
              Quote: Bad_gr
              We have such projects.

              hi I saw pictures like this a long time ago, that's how we will conquer the whole world belay then we will drive Euro-Papuans and British Americans on such fellow laughing
            2. +1
              29 March 2022 19: 02
              It was made explicitly based on the OV-10.
  3. +20
    29 March 2022 05: 12
    It’s good as it is written, only the feeling is somehow ambiguous from the article. Roman, where are our attack drones? Where are the Orions that we advertise, and it seems like we even sell to someone? “And, where are our kamikazde drones, the same Lancets? In an open field, and even on the periphery of cities, they knock out enemy equipment and manpower with them! But where are they? In Karaganda? And what do we have in stock Is there one that works on the principle of "fire and forget"? It seems like such an excellent Hermes missile was put into service in three different versions? And, for an air launch, the range of hitting a target is a couple of hundred kilometers, and for ground, also tens of kilometers, the range of hitting! You even half-heartedly heard about the use of Hermes, and I didn’t hear it! It’s true that they don’t write about what is not available. The same Stinger in skillful hands from an ambush is guaranteed to shoot down a helicopter or plane! You need to rejoice when we have our own and better in service and stock, and we have silence on points number one and two !!! That is, there is no available, although there is armed???
    1. +20
      29 March 2022 06: 25
      You, with some kind of manic obstinacy, will touch the same questions to which you have already been answered 30 times, and this is just what I remember. The plant for the Orions was built 4 months ago. These are not pies. They take a long time to make. According to kamikaze drones, where did you get the idea that they are not used? They didn’t bring the vidosiks, which means they don’t exist?) Shot and forgot no. It is a fact. But let's already understand that our concept was different. Hermes has only recently begun to be tested. Where can he get on the battlefield there? You should understand one important thing in this month. You are only given information that is allowed. MO is not APU. He does not advertise attacks in social networks and does not leak secret data from the photo.
      1. -14
        29 March 2022 06: 56
        Kastrom11 - even before the creation of the plant, they showed at least a dozen ORION UAVs on a zombie cheek! WHERE ARE THEY ??? ???
        1. +7
          29 March 2022 07: 24
          Do you need their location or what?) Otherwise, I remember at the beginning about a 50 they wrote that they were not there, and here a satellite photo arrives from the Baranovichi airfield, in my opinion, and they are standing there) Well, they didn’t inform the people at the VO from the Moscow Region about this) Imagine ? The MO byaki refuses to share such secret information) My hint is clear?) Why did you take all this from Hermes?) Again, the MO didn’t share secret information?) Well, don’t consider our General Staff stupid) they already said 100 times this month that this is not So)
          1. -1
            29 March 2022 10: 05
            Csrstorm do not argue with him, this is an adept UAV with maniacal persistence, worthy of a better use, he is talking the same thing, like a communist kata. A person who has not been in combat, and his service in the army is in question, do not waste your nerves and time on him.
            1. -3
              29 March 2022 11: 30
              Andrey VOV, I had a better opinion of you until this day! Apparently, I was very mistaken! I served in the army in 1987-89, training in Belarus, the city of Borisov, there was a huge training in Pechi, service in the PribVO, about the adept of UAVs, such as you only know how to bawl, and these UAVs, as proof of the war in Karabakh, when used correctly, easily solve such tasks as identifying and eliminating enemy military equipment and manpower. Problems with nerves - drink valyrian, problems with time - do not read my posts, go further along the branch ....
              1. +1
                29 March 2022 11: 40
                Yes, honestly., Well, you already like a mantra about Karabakh a thousand times, Karabakh cannot serve as an example! Well, from the word at all, when the Karabakh air defense there was about nothing and the level of fighters was not higher. Moderate your bawling-ardor, what a war in a city is, I know by my own example and UAVs will not solve all the issues there, as you think here.
                1. -1
                  29 March 2022 11: 54
                  Andrei WWII, well, let's take Syria, before the appearance of Panzerey and Torov, the Turks easily destroyed the positions of the Syrian army from the air! Is that not an argument either? The fact that they stopped the advance of the Syrians from the air, and even almost drove them back. What losses they inflicted in manpower, and in technology the Syrians can find information! Just, if it is possible to knock out equipment and manpower from the air with light missiles, which is many times cheaper and safer than attacking positions using personnel, why not inflict such damage Vushniks all the time? And, in the city, one-time flamethrowers are needed here, for close combat there is no better weapon invented.
                  1. 0
                    29 March 2022 12: 12
                    It is useless to argue with you for one reason, you constantly compare soft and warm. "Bumblebee" flamethrowers have long been used in the storming of cities, fortified areas, and so on. There is no need to open America here.
                    UAVs are not a panacea, not a turning point in the event of a collision of equal rivals, plus their useful load is insufficient in certain cases. If you fight the enemy head and shoulders above you, then yes, this can be one of the decisive factors.
                    There is no perfect weapon in the world.
                    1. -1
                      29 March 2022 13: 45
                      Andrey VOV - well, then why are we feverishly building a plant for the production of UAVs? Perhaps we are not using them as efficiently as possible? What is their strength - they can work effectively on the rear, paralyze supplies, knock out manpower, and lightly armored technique. They are good where there is no air defense, they are much cheaper to operate than attack aircraft, they have their own range of ammunition, which are also cheaper than ammunition for the same attack aircraft. They are good as an addition to the "big" aviation, with their continuous use!
              2. +3
                29 March 2022 12: 51
                Decide. But what happened to them? Well, 404 have them, and did it help them a lot?) Karabakh was made not by UAVs, but by excellent preparation and planning. Exploration and selection of opportunities. The Armenians just scored a bolt on everything. At the same time, artillery did most of the work there and not rumblers in the air.
                1. 0
                  29 March 2022 21: 58
                  So the question is not that they didn’t help the 404th, but that they would have helped US .. We knocked out all the air defense of the 404th, and here is expanse with similar UAVs, but we have very few of them because of the erroneous attitude towards them from the RF Ministry of Defense, even with The Syrian company was asked the question where is the UAV? The barmalei have no air defense and several hundred UAVs, even with a minimum impact load, would be great to help solve the problems of destroying Toyota carts or trucks, which is quite within the power of the stunted ammunition of such UAVs, they will do an excellent job with MLRS, self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, air defense systems, artillery and even in some cases tanks. UAVs are not for breaking into bunkers and fortified points, but just for working on single weakly protected targets, the presence of which in the 404th we see massively! Even if the remnants of the 404th air defense will be spent on such UAVs, this is excellent! Accuracy allows you to work in urban areas, and weak ammunition to disable the object of attack without causing fatal damage to civilians nearby .. And all the cries that they didn’t help Ukraine, well, it’s completely out of the box, we had to buy several hundred Bayraktars from the Turks and burn them all in this conflict, to questions like this is NATO and all that then, why are they buying S-400s from us and asking for more? Why doesn’t anything bother them, but it’s as if it’s inappropriate for us .. There are only doubts, but would they sell it? Well, I think it can be solved because the money for the Turks was not bad ..
            2. -7
              29 March 2022 12: 14
              Perhaps served as a cook?
              1. +3
                29 March 2022 12: 52
                What difference does it make who served whom urgently? Did they teach someone how to plan military operations?)))
              2. -2
                29 March 2022 14: 21
                astta wild2 - air defense troops, do you understand? negative
          2. 0
            29 March 2022 12: 43
            From the Ukrainian side, there seemed to be photos with fallen Lancets?
            1. -1
              30 March 2022 19: 29
              I didn’t see it with the Lancet, but they seemed to be with the Caliber ...
    2. +3
      29 March 2022 09: 47
      Quote: Thrifty
      , and where are our attack drones?

      Drums are not really needed. A pair of reconnaissance UAVs (Orlan, Takhion) and artillery with a guided projectile (Krasnopol), in most cases, is more than enough. For longer distances, rockets are used...
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where are our kamikazde drones,

      KUB is shown a lot - Ukrainians present them as shot down. But the variant of the pair (above) scout + projectile = better.
      At a distance of up to 10 km, the Kornet URK is more convenient.

      Most of the work of the UAV is reconnaissance and waiting.
    3. -3
      29 March 2022 11: 28
      The tasks and directions of development of the armed forces of the Russian Federation were practically correctly set. And fulfilled. Not everything you wanted.
      Without 10av for 100000vi.
      Only VKS and land. The fleet received a little.
      Not up to him.
      In 5 years we must be ready for war from the south and the Caucasus.
      And NATO will continue to smile in our face
  4. -3
    29 March 2022 05: 23
    The fact that Javelin is over-praised has long been clear. Including in the USA, so they don’t order a lot. The manufacturer conducted a good advertising campaign, promoted anti-tank systems, as a result, many, including Ukrainians, were seduced ... smile
    UAVs, of any manufacturer, in modern warfare, and in the event of a collision of equal opponents, will not live very long. They are good in the absence of serious air defense countermeasures.
    Stinger is an old man, but it was developed by good engineers, nothing can be done about it. Apparently, there are no such engineers in the United States now, since, as it seems to me, it would be quite possible to feed the Stinger to a serious size, and get a fairly serious air defense system, like the Buk or S-300-400.
    1. +13
      29 March 2022 07: 10
      it would be quite possible to feed the Stinger to a serious size, and get a fairly serious air defense system at the output, like the Buk or S-300-400.

      Stinger is an anti-aircraft missile with a single-channel infrared homing head. The range of such a missile is determined not by the energy of the engine, but by the sensitivity of the infrared head. Therefore, all such MANPADS have approximately the same range, determined by the physics of the propagation of infrared radiation in the atmosphere. So if you attach such a head to the Saturn-5, then the range of the complex will increase only by the height of the rocket.
      The S-300 and similar air defense systems have a fundamentally different way of targeting an anti-aircraft missile - radar. There are many different methods: active or passive homing, radio command, etc. For such systems, the range is determined by the power of the radar and the energy of the rocket engine. (This is simplified. It also takes into account signal processing algorithms, frequency ranges and is full of all sorts of other tricks)
      1. 0
        29 March 2022 13: 29
        I understand. But who is stopping you from adding different guidance methods if the rocket is larger? There are always enough options, of course, if there are engineers with a head.
        1. 0
          29 March 2022 13: 35
          But who's stopping you from adding different guidance methods,

          You are absolutely right. But just what does the Stinger have to do with this (i.e., adding a seeker with other guidance principles)?
          1. 0
            31 March 2022 10: 04
            Can I ask a question: I have long been interested in the "dish dryer" on the right side of the stinger, is it some kind of antenna? This is not observed on any of our MANPADS.
  5. +13
    29 March 2022 05: 23
    Yes, the Ukrainian army has confirmed that it is indeed the most combat-ready army in Europe. Without exaggeration. Half a million people who have gone through baptism of fire in the Donbass during the eight years of the civil war are no joke. These are people who know and know how to survive and fight, who have been under mines and bullets. And if we add on Nazism, which took root and bore fruit in the form of, if not a high fighting spirit, then a substitute for it, moral obstinacy, then in fact everything is pretty decent.

    Finally, there was a man who had the courage to "call a spade a spade." Ukrainians are not cowardly Georgians who fled at the mere sight of Russian soldiers.
    Maybe now enlightenment will come and the comments “what are they pulling”, “could take Kyiv, Odessa, etc.” will stop appearing in a week.
    There is a war going on. Difficult and bloody. But the victory will still be for Russia. Because to destroy all kinds of misanthropic undead is the historical mission of Russia. So it was, so it is, and so it will always be.
    1. +10
      29 March 2022 05: 41
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      There is a war going on. Difficult and bloody.

      I'm sorry, but it's still not war, namely special operation. Because they try to spare infrastructure and civilians.
      You can imagine the picture: in 1941, the Germans enter Minsk or Kyiv, and the townspeople organize protest rallies, they scold the occupiers and block their way. And the occupiers, in response, bring thousands of tons of humanitarian aid to the protesters.
      Or so.
      They took ours in the forty-fifth Berlin in the ring and offer to organize humanitarian corridors for the exit of civilians.
      would be there war, there would have been no electricity, no gas, no water for a long time, but there would have been round-the-clock bombing and shelling across the squares. And before entering Mariupol, it would have been processed the way Koenigsberg was processed, for example. They bombed the capital of Prussia for two weeks, including five-ton bombs. The problems of the local civilians - to the bulb.
      And here the population of Ukraine is being warned, they say, we will soon be hitting defense enterprises (with high-precision weapons so that you and your houses do not get hit), so you stay away from them.
      So no, there is no war in the truest sense of the word in Ukraine.
      1. -6
        29 March 2022 06: 07
        If you have already decided to talk about terms ... We read the definitions - "War - a conflict between political entities - states, tribes, political groups, and so on - occurring on the basis of various claims, in the form of armed confrontation, military (combat) actions between their armed forces.
        "Operation (from lat. operatio - "action") - a form of reference military operations operational (operational-strategic) formations of the armed forces, a set of coordinated and interconnected in terms of purpose, tasks, place, time of strikes, maneuvers, battles and battles of heterogeneous troops (forces) of the Armed Forces, which are carried out simultaneously and sequentially in accordance with a single plan and plan for solving problems in a theater of operations or a theater of war, in a strategic or operational direction (in a certain zone, area) within a specified period of time"
        "War activities - organized use of the armed forces of the state (including various paramilitary formations and law enforcement agencies) to conduct the war at a strategic level."
        so, you can call the vaz2106 - "shokha" .. but it's still a VAZ car, although Shokha at the same time ...
        In short, 2 armies are conducting full-fledged military operations - war .. nothing is said about civilians - this is your personal interpretation .. not generally accepted ..
        1. +3
          29 March 2022 10: 18
          In short, 2 armies are conducting full-fledged military operations - war

          Where did you get the definitions? What is full-fledged fighting and defective?
          In simple terms, a special operation differs from war in scope. The definition of a special operation implies this, and you write the definition of an operation in a full-scale war.
          Special operations are carried out by different countries of the world, not only Russia, and this is a legal differentiation of actions in accordance with the UN Charter.
          And by the way, neither Ukraine nor Russia has declared war on each other. Legally they are not at war.
          But from an everyday point of view, of course, there is no difference. A person died from a shell explosion during the war, or during a special operation he doesn’t care.
          1. +2
            29 March 2022 10: 44
            why are you in the only place in my message where there was not a definition from the dictionary, but personally from me about "full-fledged" and hooked, and not about the rest of the definitions?
            Can you give me a special operation term other than what I wrote above? legal, as you say, since you consider mine from dictionaries to be inaccurate ..
            1. +1
              29 March 2022 11: 16
              Because the rest of the definitions are from the dictionary, but about something else.
              You did not give the term "special operation".
              A special operation is the actions of law enforcement agencies (the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the FSB, etc.) and other departments agreed on purpose, place and time in a limited area, with limited goals to ensure the security of the state and civilians, neutralize illegal armed formations , establishing law and order and other activities carried out in accordance
              with legal regulations.
              A special military operation may be peacekeeping, anti-terrorist, etc.
              There was no war on the territory of Chechnya, there was an operation to restore constitutional order and disarm the illegal armed formations. In Georgia, peace enforcement. The United States conducts a bunch of operations for different purposes.
              In addition to special operations and war, there are also the concepts of "armed conflict", local, regional, etc. In general, you can write a separate article.
              1. 0
                30 March 2022 08: 25
                yes, we are both right, in part, but not 100% - there is no ideal definition for such a conflict .. because most of your definition is off topic
                Quote: glory1974
                on a limited territory, with limited goals to ensure the security of the state and civilians, neutralize illegal armed groups, establish law and order and other activities carried out in accordance
                with legal regulations.

                limited area is the whole country of Ukraine in the sense? (so at any border country) illegal armed formations - is it the Armed Forces of Ukraine or what - the official Armed Forces? How do we ensure the security of Ukraine? The legal norms in force in Ukraine - is it Russian - in order to bring to them - those who have departed from them?
                Your definition - well suited - about the Chechen wars - at the same time, no one really argues that these were wars, although legally it fits 100% with your definition - and this really is not a war .... but not here .. I agree about a separate article .. but it will be more of an article about definitions .. and not about the essence ..
                Americans don’t fight with anyone either, they only conduct special operations .. WW2 special operation - you must admit - it sounds abnormal ..
                1. +2
                  30 March 2022 08: 50
                  limited area is the whole country of Ukraine in the sense? (so at any border country) illegal armed formations - is it the Armed Forces of Ukraine or what - the official Armed Forces? How do we ensure the security of Ukraine?

                  We consider all definitions, all actions from the side of the interests of our state. We ensure the security of not Ukraine, but our own. We limit the territory as we need, if it is necessary to limit the territory of Ukraine, then it will be so.
                  WW2 special operation - agree - it sounds abnormal.

                  Here you come to the point. War is declared, hostilities are not limited in any way: anywhere where there are enemy troops and you can get them, on the territory of any continent or state, with the exception of neutral ones, without regard to collateral losses, the transfer of the economy, legislation, and all spheres of public life to war life.
                  German oil depots were in Romania - here's the bombing in Romania. We don't bomb Poland, although they supply weapons to our enemy. But in principle we can, which threatens to escalate the special operation into a full-scale war.
                  1. -2
                    30 March 2022 09: 20
                    you know, according to this logic, if one country simply announced during the clash of two armies that it would try not to beat the civilians, this is not a war right away? agree - a little exaggerated? the Americans also dragged resources to the Germans until the 42nd, etc. - we didn’t drown them, did we? Swedish mines where most of the iron of the Reich came from, didn’t they bomb?
                    Moreover, it seems to me that there are no identical 2 wars ..
                    we have actually come to the point now .. if we talk about the fact that if something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then this is a duck - this is one thing .. but you can say, yes, it’s not in the pond, then it’s not a duck ... and there is logic in this too .. and if you and I consider the term from the point of view of precisely the official position .. here I agree - this is a special operation, and not a war at all ..
        2. +1
          30 March 2022 01: 36
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          In short, 2 armies are conducting full-fledged military operations - war. nothing is said about civilians - this is your personal interpretation

          You forgot to explain why, despite "full-fledged hostilities", only military facilities are subjected to strikes from the Russian side.
          Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the Great Patriotic War we did not demonstrate such selectivity in relation to German objects. A raid on Berlin is a raid on Berlin, not a selective bombing of German arsenals and fuel depots.
          You can refer to the experience of our allies, read how they bombed the same Dresden or Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
          Yes, by the way, if you don't know, even Ukraine does not consider this a war, which is why it does not declare war on Russia.
      2. +10
        29 March 2022 06: 55
        Sorry, but this is still not a war, but a special operation.

        Sorry, but this is still demagogy and a game of terms. When hundreds of thousands of soldiers participate in hostilities, all types of military equipment except for nuclear weapons, when the losses are thousands, and the refugees are millions of people, then this is WAR.
        1. +2
          29 March 2022 10: 06
          Sorry, but this is still demagogy and a game of terms.

          These are legal terms. Yes, lawyers’ brains work a little differently, but nevertheless. Legally, this is a special military operation, carried out in accordance with the UN Charter, Russia has not declared war on Ukraine, Ukraine has not declared war on Russia either. There is no legal war.
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        2. +1
          30 March 2022 01: 45
          Quote: Nafanya from the couch
          When hundreds of thousands of soldiers participate in hostilities, all types of military equipment except for nuclear weapons, when the losses are thousands, and the refugees are millions of people, then this is WAR.

          Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
          However, with you, dear colleague, the leadership of Ukraine, which has not yet declared war on Russia, does not agree.
    2. NKT
      -1
      29 March 2022 09: 20
      But the victory will still be for Russia. Because to destroy all kinds of misanthropic undead is the historical mission of Russia. So it was, so it is, and so it will always be.

      Russia today, as in all times, is a nurse in Europe
    3. -6
      29 March 2022 11: 36
      I wrote about 72 hours. Seems.
      I do not understand obstinacy in the death of their country. Would sign Minsk or Istanbul3 or Rostov1. They would talk about denazification. And in the caches they sharpened knives.
      SO THEY WERE INTO A FIGHT WITH THE NUCLEAR POWER. ONLY THE OWNER CAN MAKE THEM DIE THIS.
      Uncle Sam is powerful not in war, but in political intrigues and promises of a brighter future. Bablo rules. And the country and ordinary uhry are the dust of history for the Ze team.
      Revealed our tactics and mob readiness.
      The strategists have not yet reached.
  6. -8
    29 March 2022 06: 27
    Stinger, stinger... Unpatriotic. But this is a milestone in the joint exploitation of USSR-USA technologies. A copy of our Arrow. Only the warheads were redone to fit their concept and the resulting indicators. Stinger was a little more accurate. And the warhead was made purely high-explosive. Ours then sometimes poked them with their noses, in the case when the partners were accused of accusing us of copying their weapons. And so the weapon is more than 40 years old. And in the right growing hands is a very dangerous thing.
    1. +9
      29 March 2022 07: 20
      Quote: sergo1914
      A copy of our Arrow.

      First there was "Red Eye" ... They made it earlier than the "Strela-2" MANPADS, but they adopted it later ...
      1. -7
        29 March 2022 10: 29
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Quote: sergo1914
        A copy of our Arrow.

        First there was "Red Eye" ... They made it earlier than the "Strela-2" MANPADS, but they adopted it later ...


        Not certainly in that way. The Wiki says that ours stole Redai and fired Strela-2 earlier. The arrow is fundamentally different. They are united only by the abbreviation MANPADS. Our Redai saw, did their own - the Arrow. The Americans studied the Arrow and copied everything except the warhead. Named Stinger. It was.
        1. +1
          29 March 2022 20: 52
          Quote: sergo1914
          The arrow is fundamentally different. They are united only by the abbreviation MANPADS.

          And where did you get enough of this "compote" ?! belay Strela-2 is fundamentally different than Red Eye? HOW ? what Well, we can mention some differences in the principle of the tracking system of the GOS; but I don't think that's the point! Otherwise - "same type"!
          1. -2
            30 March 2022 06: 55
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: sergo1914
            The arrow is fundamentally different. They are united only by the abbreviation MANPADS.

            And where did you get enough of this "compote" ?! belay Strela-2 is fundamentally different than Red Eye? HOW ? what Well, we can mention some differences in the principle of the tracking system of the GOS; but I don't think that's the point! Otherwise - "same type"!


            At lectures at the institute. The arrow was disassembled in detail.
      2. 0
        30 March 2022 19: 38
        Sergey has an interesting logic. But the question arises: why did our people in Afghanistan hunt for the Stinger so much ?!
  7. -1
    29 March 2022 06: 59
    For some reason, I can’t understand how Bayraktars, Javelins and Stingers could become supporting elephants for Ukraine ... Is it possible for a state to exist for a long time in a collapsed economy, inciting Nazism and demands for eternal help (“monetary blackmail")?
    Even more unclear is the meaning of the phrase:
    Yes, the Ukrainian army has confirmed that it is indeed the most combat-ready army in Europe. Without exaggeration.

    Confirmed with what? The fact that for eight years she has been practicing methods of destroying the weakly armed civilian population of the LDNR? What feats did she accomplish? Did she try to break through the defenses of the Crimean Bridge with her boats, or did she hoist an imaginary “two-color” over the supposedly defeated Kremlin with statements about claims to Russian territory and a desire to march on Red Square?
    If the Russian Armed Forces and Aerospace Forces begin to conduct military operations in the image and likeness of the US grouping in Iraq, then in just a couple of weeks all the ardor and courage of the "ukrovoinov" will end. Even today, they are only enough to crawl out of their rat holes and send shells or "Points" on the heads of the long-suffering people of Donetsk and other cities of the LDNR.
    These bastards can also shoot at the legs of bound prisoners, rape young girls and cut the swastika on their stomachs. What is the strength of these "bastards"? In confidence in impunity?
    It is more appropriate to find out the final plans of the Russian government, the purpose of these coming out-Russian negotiations (what ???) and the reasons for the current energy supplies to Ukraine, which (you see) has not yet declared war on Russia ... Then the question of an early referendum in regions about joining the Russian Federation, and then every bullet, every projectile fired on Russian territory will mean ... Well, you understand ... The location of the Ukrainian authorities, they are happy in this situation, will no longer be of decisive importance ...
    1. -3
      29 March 2022 11: 42
      Our Kremlin experts have big debts, they don't want to hang on themselves... And us.
      I don’t see the reasons for these clatter
  8. -5
    29 March 2022 07: 02
    the Russian army will be defeated because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have: Javelin, Stinger and Bayraktar.
    And, thank God, they did. good Although, from these "elephants" we still sip.
    I marvel at the good performance of their use by others (although these are exclusively Muslims). All the same, the conditions of the terrain mean a lot in a war.
    feel Does the gorilka induce biofields on weapons? feel Or is it all the same fat, the cause of the crashes?
  9. +2
    29 March 2022 07: 14
    Throughout the history of mankind, there have been many ingenious devices that (for their time) look like a miracle weapon, and only once did it significantly extend the life of a dying regime, and even then it is not clear whether life or agony. If someone hasn't figured it out, this is about the Byzantine Empire and Greek fire.
    I remember that there was not so much, by historical standards, one regime for a long time. Also, when it began to bake, he grabbed the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXba miracle weapon. And even, formally, it appeared, and the enemy could very little oppose it. Medium-range missiles - when the opponents had only short-range NURSs and only barreled anti-aircraft guns. Jet aircraft - when the enemy had only a piston. Very poorly penetrated tanks with very penetrating guns. Did not help. By the way, the regime was Nazi, and the current neo-Nazi regime in / in Ukraine is not much different, except that the Jews were removed to the second place in the list of subhuman enemies, and the Russians were put in the first place.
  10. 0
    29 March 2022 07: 45
    To be honest, the conversations began in November 2021, and in these conversations the same refrain sounded: the Russian army will be defeated, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have: Javelin, Stinger and Bayraktar.

    Zelensky and others like him have already understood and are asking the West for heavy weapons. At this rate, nuclear weapons will soon be requested.
  11. +8
    29 March 2022 07: 53
    As for Bayraktar, I agree, it is good where there are no modern air defense systems.
    Roman, I don’t agree with the Javalins - the weapon is serious: we lost most of the armored vehicles from the roof-breakers. There have been posts about this on the site.
    For the sake of truth, there is an antidote for Java, and there were publications on the site about this ..
    Not everything is clear with the "Stinger": now the helicopter is a "workhorse" of the battlefield. Whoever is able to widely use a helicopter wins, and just the Stinger and the real threat of a helicopter. The other day, a helicopter pilot was shown on the Central Television, he said that while covering the tank column, he left the Stinger.
    So it's not clear
    1. -1
      29 March 2022 10: 08
      The experience of Afghanistan, Chechnya, so they are leaving the stingers
  12. 0
    29 March 2022 09: 12
    Conclusion:
    Balance and saturation with various equipment capable of solving the widest possible range of tasks - this is the task that any army must solve for itself.
  13. +2
    29 March 2022 09: 52
    "... conversations began in November 2021, and in these conversations the same refrain sounded: the Russian army will be defeated, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have: "Javelin", "Stinger" and "Bayraktar."

    Clear inconsistency.
    Everyone there understood very well that there was no chance of a Russian attack. There were videos on YouTube, and the opinion of acquaintances from there, and articles from there. Pulled out phrases of various inadequacies do not count. We have plenty of them too.

    Just preparing for a repeat of 14 years. A provocation, then an offensive by the republics with a mass of PMCs, regular volunteers, and a mass of new Riflemen. And that's why they did the defense - they still break it.

    And it turned out the opposite. Sudden invasion and strikes from three sides, and the republics swayed later.

    So all these "clearly believed that their three elephants would allow the world to stand firm and strong." It's just propaganda in hindsight. Moreover, the classic, the rules of which have long been developed and can be found in the internet.

    The old, undeveloped, small Javelin, Stinger and Bayraktar could not do anything. Everyone understood. But you can't say that in PR.

    But now we know that if they began to weld visors on tanks, we must believe them, and not the statements of officials (((
  14. +6
    29 March 2022 10: 45
    The low working ceiling of 5 km is reduced by half due to the operation of the guidance laser. The operating range of the Bairaktara LCC is no more than 3,5 km, which means that in order to illuminate the target, it is necessary to decrease to 2-2,5 km.

    In principle, after this paragraph, the article can no longer be read. The level is clear. The working ceiling is 6 meters, the range of the LCC is up to 500 km. The height and range with which the UAV will operate within these figures depends on the weather conditions. Only.
    By selling the Javelin to everyone who can (and who cannot) pay, the United States for some reason limits itself.

    Skomorokhov, for starters, would be nice to learn the structure and armament of the armed forces of a potential enemy.
    The launch range of the FGM-148 missile is only 2-2,5 km

    The launch range was limited not by the capabilities of the rocket, but by the capabilities of the CLU equipment, 2-2,5 km was the limit for the CLU Block 0 of 1996, the launch range has long been 4-4,75 km.
    1. +7
      29 March 2022 15: 31
      Unfortunately, hatred is indestructible in our "cheers-patriots". Instead of a real assessment of the effectiveness of enemy weapons, we have a "lubok" from the political officer.
  15. -10
    29 March 2022 12: 20
    Who believes that in peacetime the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out shooting exercises with "Jevelins"?
    Or that impoverished and miserable Estonia "gifted" them to Ukraine?
    They were sold to Africa a long time ago, the money was stolen, as always, and the missiles were written off as "training exercises"!
  16. +2
    29 March 2022 13: 18
    The article was probably prepared before 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.

    Otherwise, how can one explain that it does not even take into account our losses that were announced at briefings by the Ministry of Defense? And I have a big question, does the Ministry of Defense take into account the losses of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, LPR and DPR?

    Probably, the author also did not see the video on the topic "how ATGMs and MANPADS work." And like an UAV, the same TB2 carries out reconnaissance / strikes on the ground.

    IMHO, in the near future (a couple of months) ATGMs and MANPADS can only significantly complicate our lives, but nothing more.
    "In the South" we will solve the issues (Mariupol; territories of the DPR and LPR, very likely). "North" (Kyiv) and "Center" (Kharkov) - well ... hmm. And with "Nikolaev - Odessa - access to the PMR" is a big question.
    But what happens if the NWO lasts for several years?

    Zelensky asks for serious air defense and heavy equipment. If air defense doesn’t help him much without aviation, then with equipment it’s a big, big question. They won’t give him English tanks (they are not in commercial quantities), but Soviet clones, in the form of the same Polish T72 clones (Twardy, etc.) and clones of Soviet self-propelled guns / infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, are very possible. They were going to change them to "not ours" anyway.
    And then it won't be fun at all.
    1. +1
      29 March 2022 16: 14
      “not fun at all” she called her son, he believes that they will not give tanks to Ukraine, and there will be a sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbJavalins and clones.
      By the way, their teachers tell them that Javalin is very dangerous.
      I trust my son's words more
      1. 0
        29 March 2022 16: 41
        hi
        It is possible that things will not come to the transfer of tanks to Ukraine:
        "Russia is taking two steps to de-escalate the conflict towards Ukraine," TASS reports with reference to Vladimir Medinsky, aide to the President of the Russian Federation, head of the Russian delegation.
        According to him, steps are being taken both in the political issue and in the military one.
        He also called the past Russian-Ukrainian talks constructive and explained that Russia received a clearly formulated position of Kyiv.
        "These proposals will be considered in the near future, reported to the president, and our response will be given," Medinsky added.
        https://www.m24.ru/news/politika/29032022/445706

        Probably, we will nevertheless declare that demilitarization has passed, and Nazism has been defeated in Mariupol, we will sign an agreement .... and by May 9 we will hold 2 Victory Parades at once (with Guberniev, then a concert with P. Gagarina and other Baskovs).

        Well, Zelensky needs to show something to the people, how he "saved the Motherland": at first he shouted "nothing will happen, calm down, especially the elderly" ("this is a fiasco, bro"); then he asked to join NATO (they did not take him); then he asked for the EU (again, they did not take it).
        Ukrainians have a lot of questions for Zelensky, if from 24.02. consider. So it won’t be long before the new GET, but we are good people, we have that one President of Ukraine will live on Rublyovka, that two - everything is not crowded for us.
        Moreover, Zelensky has a profession - a comedian - he will act in films and spandap.

        Well, if there is a "second round" ... More energetic than the first ...
        Tanks can be given, they are still in the same Poland on "secondary roles" with an imminent replacement for Abrams. Basically - under "sale, a reserve and write-off". It’s just that rearmament will be accelerated with the United States and that’s it.
        In terms of time - it makes sense to drive tanks to Ukraine from Poland by mid-May, not earlier. And until that time, it is necessary to "put together" units and tighten up logistics ... All this can be done quietly in Poland.
        Plus, the Poles or Slovaks need to agree on the transfer of equipment to Ukraine, this is not a train with grenade launchers to drive.

        By the way, the military is also supporting peaceful initiatives: "Military activity in the Kiev and Chernihiv areas will be reduced in order to increase mutual trust and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, Colonel General Alexander Fomin told reporters following the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations in Istanbul.
        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/831942

        So far, I don’t know the exact program of the parade for May 9, but I’ll post it as soon as I find out! laughing
        1. 0
          29 March 2022 17: 33
          I will be grateful. I am very afraid that my son will receive shoulder straps, in the summer he receives, and into battle.
          Kurganyan believes that the end is in August-September
          1. +2
            29 March 2022 21: 11
            Forgive me if I chose the profession of a military man, so I'm ready to fight, including to die. He himself was one in 1991, having graduated from a military school. The war will not end in September, although there is a chance that the remnants of the Ukrainian economy will be completely destroyed, and ours, somewhere in a month, will finish off the grouping in the Donbass, as well as all the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after that, thanks to the dry land, ours will be able to go west almost without resistance, surrounding the cities. But the most fun will begin in the winter, if our people do not have time to reach Lvov, Ukraine will be without heating, gas, electricity.
            1. -2
              30 March 2022 12: 02
              The kid (195 cm) reassures: they will finish off the equipment, but they don’t fight without equipment and ammunition
  17. 0
    29 March 2022 14: 36
    Why "Unfortunately..."?? I do not regret that they have such an army. Why are you so hung up on this?
  18. 0
    29 March 2022 16: 08
    Quote: Thrifty
    astta wild2 - air defense troops, do you understand? negative

    The husband was a captain, motorized rifle units. son cums kazan
  19. +3
    29 March 2022 20: 44
    Stinger does not respond to heat traps, and it is not old, different models.
  20. +3
    29 March 2022 23: 18
    It will also be interesting to read "three elephants of the modern army, which Ukraine has turned out." As an option, communication turned out well there, they transferred their troops to digital communications based on Aselsan solutions, thanks to which, according to rumors, they sometimes received advantages over our troops. In terms of intelligence capabilities, it is interesting what the States provide them with and what they close themselves. There must be other elephants besides "fanaticism" with the relative parity of our military forces.
  21. +2
    30 March 2022 01: 35
    With all due respect, the author has covered the issue somewhat superficially.

    1) Regarding "Bayraktar". Yes, this is a very niche tool, which is a rather low-maneuverable low-speed target. The truth is rather inconspicuous, but if you don’t score on the cover of the troops, then it’s real to notice and shoot down. Everything is right here.

    "Scratched" only by the fact that one of the potential candidates for the role of "lander" was designated "Pantsir". There are two problems here, the first problem is that there are still not many of them, the Tunguska and Torah remain the workhorses of the air defense of the SV, by the way, in our army they still teach Shilka, there were even photos of our Shiloks from the zone, you know what ; and the second is a disgusting KAMAZ chassis. It is beautiful on the road, but as soon as I remember our tankodrome in the spring, I want to cry.

    Excuse me for jumping on this advertised miracle weapon, but the topic is painfully close to me.

    2) The author somewhat lost sight of the fact that the latest Javelin modifications are already hitting 4.5 km, and this is already a lot.

    I also do not agree with the thesis that Javelin needs especially strong calculation nerves. Of course, everyone needs strong nerves for ATGMs, but this thesis is more applicable to second-generation ATGM operators, who need to illuminate the target with a laser, and the Javelin operator can do his feet immediately after launch.

    This is also the reason that the calculation of our ATGM is easier to detect than the calculation of Javelin. Javelin will give a small cloud at launch, which is very easy to miss, and our operator will shine a laser into the tank without leaving the spot while the rocket is flying. This is where cast iron bells will be needed.

    Well, as for a small number of purchases for the US Army, if you look at the last major conflict with a more or less massive army (Iraq 2003), they preferred to shoot tanks with aircraft and helicopters, the infantry most often used grenade launchers as an anti-personnel or anti-bunker weapon. So their consumption of Javelins, in principle, is not large. All kinds of babahs have few tanks and they are knocked out by aircraft and drones.

    3) According to the stinger, everything is basically true, a niche weapon, very effective for the tasks for which it was created.

    Well, and most importantly, victory is forged by coordinated actions and mobility of units. And not one or even three miracle weapons. The work of the headquarters, communications, serviceable mat part, the availability of fuel and lubricants and ammunition. Only then will the troops have the mobility and ability to carry out offensive tasks, and not just sit and wait for a randomly flying helicopter to shoot at it with infantry hand weapons.
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    21 May 2022 10: 02
    In response to the cries: "we will shower you with javelins / bayraktars / hats" it is strongly recommended to read Harry Harrison's "Ultimate Weapon"
  23. 0
    9 June 2022 18: 48
    Putin is a fighter! And his goal is to emerge victorious from the arena. No one will stop him from doing this! And if you subscribed, you will achieve your goal! And behind him the people of Russia! Russia has not had a real Tsar for a long time!!!!