Battalion tactical groups in Special Operations

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Battalion tactical groups in Special Operations

Battalion tactical group - this phrase is now on the lips of journalists describing the events in Ukraine.

Yes, and earlier this expression was constantly heard by the near-war people. And often from someone's mouth flew (and flies) the phrase:



- Yes, there are not enough soldiers in the brigades, so they form battalions on their basis, and call them a beautiful word.

Well what can I say ...

I have noticed more than once that there is such a thing as “fashion for opinion”.

Well, for example, in the West they believe that perestroika was good, or that Russia was the first to attack Georgia. And at least scratch them on the head. After hearing some information, people remember the very first template on this topic in their head and give it out loud without thinking.

There is also a certain “fashion for opinion” on near-war topics. Well, yes, why not? Aren't the military people? We are also human.

Few examples:

- Tanks Soviet development: “... Ah! Their towers fly off when blown up, while the western ones do not ... "

- BMD-4: “... What the hell is she needed! Will we drop under enemy air defense fire?”

- BMPT: “... Some kind of nonsense. Where to apply it? Where to enter the state?

- Octopus-SD: “... Tin can! The money has nowhere to go!”

- Aircraft carrier.

Stop, this is not from that opera, since there are always two mutually opposite opinions. Over time, the “fashion for an opinion” about a certain object changes under various factors.

There are mutual exceptions in one bottle:

- Sprut-SD is not a tank, it's a self-propelled gun! - Get pluses and a chorus of approval.

After few years:

– Sprut-SD is a real light tank! - Get pluses and a chorus of approval.
And so on.

The same thing happened around the phrase "battalion tactical group."
They took real facts, mixed with fiction, flavored with assumptions and got view.

I'll try to tell you what I know about them. Moreover, I had to serve in them, and later to form them.

A tactical group is a military term denoting a certain formation of subunits or units into a single consolidated combat unit to perform a specific combat mission. Accordingly, the TGR is created temporarily and has a kind of “floating” staff.

A simple example. What does a platoon need to capture that high-rise in the middle of a bare field, with the task of capturing a living general?

Walking boots, a flying carpet (to wrap the general) and a couple of TDA-3 machines to create a smoke screen! So the platoon TGr is ready, sharpened for the capture of the general. Yes, "platoon". Why not?

Немного stories.

It makes no sense to go far into the wilds of antiquity. The Wehrmacht during the Second World War was very advanced in the development of new products in the art of war. If I'm not mistaken, it was Guderian who initiated the creation of battle groups (Kampfgruppen, abbreviated as KG or KGr in the Luftwaffe).

Combat-ready motorized infantry units or subunits, tanks, artillery and anti-aircraft guns were brought under one command. And, for example, a regiment commander became a king and a sheikh in his own theater of operations.



Kampfgruppe Graf from the 21st TD of the African Corps.


In the Red Army it was the same, only with different letters. If the battalion was given strength in excess of the organizational schedule, then it became "shock" or "reinforced".

Separate heavy breakthrough tank regiments and assault engineer-sapper brigades (ShISBr) already initially had their own regular structure and did not belong to tactical groups created temporarily around a regular unit to perform specific tasks.

In the post-war period, the Soviet army also practiced the creation of military formations from units and subunits united under a single command. For example, a motorized rifle regiment reinforced by means of a senior commander.

Regimental (brigade) tactical groups


Talk about “scraping troops out of poverty” began during the wars in the Caucasus in the 90s and 2000s. Yes, the devastation then in the army was terrifying, in principle, as well as in the whole country, which cheerfully stomped towards universal light democracy.

The division, squeezing as much as possible, milked out of itself, at best, a combat-ready regiment. So they were called "prefabricated regiments", but we ourselves called them more precisely - "rabble regiments". At that time, people were simply scraped from everywhere, equipment even in storage was partially understaffed due to lack of supply and support. Rarely, but there were separate battalions, but they were called “separate” or “reinforced”.

But still, the main combat unit in the Caucasus was regiment or brigade, which is the same reinforced regiment. Yes, they were collected by the whole world from divisions and armies of military districts. And, as a rule, all of them exceeded their organizational structure, especially in the second campaign. On the second Chechen regiments were equipped deliberately and consciously. The existing staffs expanded, introduced additional forces and means of the division, thus completing a truly reinforced regiment for solving a specific combat mission in the North Caucasus.

This was, in general, a "regimental tactical group" in the modern interpretation.


I will give an example of the saturation of our regiment with artillery - in addition to the fact that each motorized rifle battalion had its own regular mortar battery, the regiment had two self-propelled artillery battalions and a separate anti-tank battery. The chief of artillery could either reassign all these fire capabilities directly to the battalion commanders, or manage them in a single bundle in the interests of the entire regiment.

Why were prefabricated (reinforced) regiments more common in the Caucasus, and not, for example, divisions?

Firstly, each regiment was fed from its own "womb" - divisions, this is a very important feature. It was from her that he received the replenishment of personnel by rotation, new equipment to replace the damaged one, as well as additional weapons necessary to carry out new, newly assigned tasks.

Secondly, the regiment is the minimum tactical and administrative military unit that can all.

Third, a regiment is more mobile than a division.

The regiment can independently lead любые fighting any character. It has all the necessary fire capabilities to conduct an offensive against the enemy and can defend itself from almost all possible enemy strikes. The regiment itself is a division in miniature: it has its own tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft weapons, communications, reconnaissance, sappers, chemists and other military people.

And also the regiment has all the forces and means to heal, feed, repair, maintain and everything else, up to the organization of a completely comfortable PVD (temporary deployment point) in an open field.

The regiment is a self-sufficient mobile universal military machine.

And if it is a reinforced (by means of the division) regiment, which maintains and constantly feeds the division located in the PPD (point of permanent deployment), this is a terrible strike force.

And the most important thing is highly mobile impact force. Because the reinforced regiment does not have heavy and long "tails" of the divisional economy. These "tails" are needed, of course, but not all and not always.

The division can quite quickly, at the request of a remotely operating regiment, provide it with everything necessary to solve current and emerging combat missions, and after solving them, take equipment back to the RPM, which is no longer needed at the moment.

Therefore, a completely correct scheme for the combat use of troops was formed in the North Caucasus. And even if the divisions were fully staffed by 100%, there would be no point in tearing them all out of their permanent deployment point and driving them through all the mountains with all their considerable economy. There would be more stupidity.

These, in principle, were regimental tactical groups (PTGr) with all their signs and attributes - the minimum self-sufficient military unit, additionally equipped and equipped to perform a wide range of combat missions with constant replenishment with everything necessary from the division's permanent deployment point.

Battalion tactical groups


Theoretically, the United States is the ancestor of modern tactical groups. Before the emergence of permanent brigades in large numbers in the early 2000s, the division fielded brigade tactical groups (Brigade Combat Team) to conduct combat operations. And such actions were already laid down in the organizational structure of the division.

If the brigade had any separate task, then 1-2 battalions had to solve it, reinforced for the duration of this task by the firepower of the brigade, i.e., in fact, the armored personnel carrier.

And with the advent of brigades, as one of the main formations of the Ground Forces, the BTG simply registered in the strategy of the American Ground Forces.

Taking into account the experience of the wars in the North Caucasus, as well as the ongoing organizational changes in the structure of the US troops, battalion tactical groups also began to form in the Russian armed forces.

And yes, in the first years of the XNUMXst century, our glorious Red Army was still on the margins of financing and state support, although at that time it brought this state two Victories won solely on the stubbornness, will and spirit of the Fighters with a capital letter.

Both in divisions and in brigades, they began to form battalions of constant combat readiness with the means of strengthening these brigades and regiments. Then in Russia the expression "battalion tactical group" was heard. Yes, they really were collected from the world one by one, scraping off all the most valuable things that were in military units, collecting combat-ready reinforced battalions from people, equipment and weapons.

In the same 58th Army, armored personnel carriers were created on the basis of most units. So they took part in the war on 08.08.08.

Everyone remembers the shock of the Georgians when Russian tanks almost instantly appeared in South Ossetia?


Just not far from the entrance to the Roki Tunnel, a pair of BTG innocently picked mushrooms and smoked bamboo ...

Just a couple of reinforced battalions that were fully equipped and equipped with all the necessary equipment and weapons.

And yes, most importantly, at the exercises that just ended, they produced combat coordination divisions within groups.

What were they doing there? I propose to operate with two phrases “mushrooms-berries” and “we also have intelligence”, they can be decomposed in different interpretations, and there will be a lot of answers.

And it was these two armored personnel carriers that twisted the Georgians "tail on the mane", while the main forces of the 58th army "thoroughly", like those two bulls, entered South Ossetia.

Just two reinforced battalions messed up the entire Georgian plan to seize recalcitrant territories, knocking down "Time H" and the consistency of the occupied lines. I described all this very roughly, but the meaning is clear.

During the reform period of the “furniture specialist”, the brigade became the main tactical unit in the command and control system “Brigade-Operational Directorate-District”. Subsequently, on the basis of logical reasoning that "wars are different", the divisional structure was restored in the Ground Forces system, which coexisted simultaneously with the "brigade concept".

But the experience of using BTG was not only not forgotten, but vice versa - they were taken seriously and closely with the involvement of applied sciences. Why was everyone so interested in the battalion tactical group? And just everyone, and the Americans with all the rabble of NATA, and almost the entire post-Soviet space, led by Russia?

Unique features of the battalion structure as such for conducting super-maneuverable combat operations.

1. A battalion is the smallest military unit with headquarters.

That is, the group has a think tank that can accept the incoming higher order. Analyze it and make a comprehensive "commander's decision" for the implementation of this order. Implement it in the form of well-coordinated management of heterogeneous units. Carry out the necessary regrouping upon receipt of new introductory and additional orders from the higher headquarters.

2. The battalion is more mobile than the regimental structure. Polk is a "mini-city" that has everything. This, I repeat, is a self-sufficient military formation.

The skeleton of the regiment is, figuratively speaking, fighting fists in the form of battalions and divisions, which are served by the "tail" of various support units. And the battalion, accordingly, is a bunch of combat capabilities. This is a boxer in the ring. This is a fighter light, with a machine gun and without a raid backpack. The battalion is just "the one who directly fights."

3. The battalion has heterogeneous units in its structure. He has his own artillery and a platoon to support combat work - signalmen, sappers, grenade launchers, reconnaissance officers (depending on the OSHR on a given theater of operations).

Conclusion:

On the basis of a battalion, it is possible to create a micro-army with minimal intermediary chains between the Headquarters on the one hand and the subunits and firepower actually firing.

Well, since the battalion is so good and fast, and the current wars are not distinguished by a large concentration of troops, maybe it should be used separately, sending them to smash the enemy on their own?

Yes, but not far. The battalion has a certain "combat radius" in which it can conduct a database under the "roof" of the regiment. Because he has, for example, no tanks, no heavy artillery, no good air defense umbrella, no support system.

And if you strengthen the battalion and make it a "mini-regiment", but give it only what is necessary for conducting independent fighting, but without any frills in the form of a regimental barber?

That is, to give a fighter with a machine gun another grenade launcher and a light backpack with additional ammunition and daily rations? Yes. And so a “very toothy” military formation arose - BTGr.


It is completed on the basis of a battalion, motorized rifle or tank.

It will include precisely those forces and means that will be necessary precisely to fulfill a clearly defined combat mission and precisely on a specific theater of operations. Need some serious armor? Hold the tanks. Do you need air defense? Here's a platoon on the Tunguska. Flying carpet and walking boots? No, you won’t take the general prisoner, we cut off everything superfluous so as not to burden him.

Need a stock of BC and products? Here is the reinforcement in the MTO platoon. That is, the battalion is strengthened and equipped in such a way that it can get out from under the "umbrella of the regiment" and work independently without a "mother".

A battalion tactical group is a unit that has all forces and means for self fulfillment of the assigned combat mission, as well as being able to protect themselves from any possible threat.

Here they are, the main features of BTGr.: independence and self-sufficiency of forces, both for attack and for self-defense.

Accordingly, the battalion does not just come out from under the wing of the regiment, but it has an independent radius of action within the limits of the available stocks of material and technical means. In this radius, due to its high mobility, it can carry out both offensive operations and mobile defense.

In addition to the "radius of action", the BTG also has a depth of separation from the regiment. If the databases are maintained in a united front, then this is one distance. If it is completely autonomous, then ... the distance does not matter, since these are the problems of the "womb" (regiment), to establish an uninterrupted life-giving "umbilical cord" with your combat detachment.

I do not write the figures for the range of the BTGr and the depth of its separation during the "frontal" maintenance of the database. At this time, it's completely useless.


What is the composition of BTG?

Depends on specific combat mission. But still, the general skeleton, of course, is:

- three motorized rifle companies,
- tank company
- 1-2 artillery batteries,
- mortar battery
- air defense platoon,
- grenade launchers, anti-tank units,
- a platoon of communications, intelligence, engineering service,
- units of electronic warfare, UAVs,
- repair and evacuation and rear support units.

Features of the use of BTG


Everything will be brief here, again, due to the events taking place on our western borders.

BTGr, as mentioned above, is sharpened to perform specific combat missions and is self-sufficient for attack and defense.

BTGr, in fact, has no weaknesses, except for the radius of application and the depth of use.
Its main advantage is a powerful and striking fist, which is extremely mobile. Its main “thin link” is the need for constant replenishment of the material and technical means of life support from a higher commander.

But there are tasks that BTG is beyond the power of? Certainly. You can't beat a reinforced battalion for a couple of brigades.

So - we need related in execution one several armored personnel carriers or should there be brigade tactical groups? Good question. Let me clarify one point here.

Now armored personnel carriers are being created not due to the fact that there are not enough people in the brigades, but because the concept of using tactical groups (TGr) has been adopted for service. Why and why - described above.

A brigade by itself cannot bring out 3-4 armored personnel carriers. It's impossible. We need means of strengthening the army, which includes a brigade. Therefore, the brigade issues in peacetime (relatively) one armored personnel carrier, ensuring its operation by the method of 100% rotation of equipment and people for an almost unlimited time of its use in combat work.

In the mode of issuing two armored personnel carriers to the surface, the brigade works at the maximum rate of their provision, but not 100% rotation. After a while, the BTG will need to rest and reboot. At least in sequence.

How many of them are formed in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Defense Minister General of the Army S. K. Shoigu in August 2021 announced the number of 168.

How many of them are involved in Ukraine? This is an unknown figure, there are only assumptions and "Internet fantasies".

Then what is better to use when a combat mission requires more forces and means than the capabilities of the BTGr? Just a brigade? In the current fleeting, saturated with firepower and highly mobile combined arms battle - no.

Options may vary.

• Coordinated actions of several armored personnel carriers with the means of strengthening the senior commander, for example, an artillery brigade, an anti-aircraft missile battalion and other necessary units.

• The use of brigade TGr, created by the forces of armies and districts on the basis of combined arms brigades.

What are the pros and cons here?

- I will say from experience that during exercises, individual brigades go through the period of combat coordination more difficult than regiments of one division. And for a military man, I will not discover America here. And it seems like a brigade TGr is preferable here.

This is on the one hand. And on the other:

- A combination of several armored personnel carriers operating in concert within the framework of one combat mission and reinforced with the necessary means of a senior commander have greater firepower than a separate brigade tactical group.

The operational formation, structurally consisting of armored personnel carriers, can quickly transform and reorganize under the rapidly changing conditions of the theater of operations. Because the BTG is both independent mini-armies and constructor elements. But the golden mean is always good.

It is the theater of operations that should dictate what it needs for the Victory. Somewhere battalion TGr., Somewhere brigade TGr, and somewhere their symbiosis. The tactics of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine are changing, based on the operational current situation.

This is not what it was in the first two weeks, circumstances dictate new conditions.

PS


In Ukraine, in fact, medium-scale hostilities are now being conducted, largely equal in strength of the parties.

Not the level of the Second World War, but far from a regional conflict ...

After completing the assigned tasks and studying the experience of maintaining database data, it is quite possible to change the organizational structure of the units of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces. Brigades of constant readiness can be understaffed to the level of brigade TGr.

In this case, we get a powerful and well-coordinated combat unit operating in serious conflicts. And if necessary, the brigade is "divided" into three full-fledged armored personnel carriers with units of separate weapons and a group for supplying these TGr.

To do this, first of all, it is necessary to increase the number of cannon artillery and air defense in these brigades. And also to create full-fledged (!) Structures using UAVs for reconnaissance purposes, starting from the company-battery link at least.
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  2. -14
    30 March 2022 03: 50
    Interesting topic, but language. Some kind of snickering, an incomprehensible giggle.
    On the subject, all these tactical battalion groups are just a newfangled term, and not something suddenly invented by modern strategists and tacticians.
    Germans during WWII with their Kampfgruppen and Hedgehog tactics. We have reinforced platoons, companies, battalions ... i.e. created breakthrough groups or to solve other priority tasks. What's new in this? In modern conditions, and even earlier, tanks alone will not be able to solve most problems, but the infantry can. But the joint efforts of tanks, artillery, infantry and aviation will be able to solve these problems faster, more efficiently and with less bloodshed.
    1. +41
      30 March 2022 05: 24
      Quote: 28st region
      Interesting topic, but language. Some kind of snickering, an incomprehensible giggle.

      Well, not the author’s academic style of presentation, but lively, intelligible, based on personal experience, and far from stupid!
      Alex, hi! Great article, thanks!
      1. +21
        30 March 2022 06: 02

        Interesting topic, but language. Some kind of snickering, an incomprehensible giggle.
        On the subject, all these tactical battalion groups are just a newfangled term, and not something suddenly invented by modern strategists and tacticians.
        so the Author, he was talking about this, I didn’t see any “scuffling”, everything is chewed in a simple and understandable language, but you, having not written a single article, are “scuffling” yourself in your comments. Alexey, a military officer, knows the topic from the inside. ( Hi Aleksey! wink )
        1. +12
          30 March 2022 11: 48
          . Hi Aleksey! wink

          Hello Brother.
          Yuryich, glad to see you in good health.))
          We are alive and it's good!!!
          laughing

          Warm greetings to my Native Urals.
          drinks
      2. +8
        30 March 2022 11: 45
        . Alex, hi!

        Hello Volodya.
        hi
        Saw a glimpse of our Borzi.
        Akhmat of course Strength, it is!
        But the Gurans are Power too!!!
        good
    2. +5
      30 March 2022 06: 39
      The author writes about this: "If I'm not mistaken, it was Guderian who initiated the creation of battle groups (Kampfgruppen, abbreviated as KG or KGr in the Luftwaffe)"You apparently did not read the article carefully. The idea (as I understand it) is that at the moment this concept is being applied more meaningfully and on a larger scale.
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        30 March 2022 06: 57
        A reinforced battalion or a reinforced company is, in your opinion, not large-scale and meaningless?
    3. +12
      30 March 2022 11: 41
      . but language. Some kind of snickering, an incomprehensible giggle.

      Hmm ...
      I wanted to answer in your own vein, but I do not see the point.
      My colleagues, on the contrary, blame me for the fact that there is less army humor to include, so the complex is easier to perceive.
      I will follow their advice.
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        1. +11
          30 March 2022 12: 34
          . And take offense at criticism. Or not an officer, but a political officer? Then it is clear. My opinion is infallible.

          Smiled ....))
          No. I am a regular officer, although I had to steer for a political worker for half a year.
          There is a lot of circus in the Army.)))))

          Let's not pollute the airwaves.
          I don't participate in skirmishes.
          hi
          1. +4
            30 March 2022 12: 39
            Agree. Do not fig rubbish toil.
            Sorry for the attack, it was painfully unexpected from you.
    4. +6
      30 March 2022 13: 34
      Theoretically, the ancestor of modern tactical groups is the United States

      Fundamentally disagree.
      Why reinvent the wheel with us, and so the regiments consist of battalions. The battalion is already a completely independent combat unit. I bring the staff of the battalion of the 291st regiment where I served.
      Three motorized rifle companies of 120 people.
      Fire Support Company, 4 platoons, anti-aircraft with ZU-23 and MANPADS, machine gun with cliffs and CORDs, grenade launcher with AGS, control platoon.
      Mortar battery 9 mortars 82mm and 3 120mm.
      Platoon: material support, communications, intelligence, sappers (engineering), medical platoon.
      Also, each battalion of the regiment has its own headquarters. With the battalion commander, deputy, zaptekh, political officer, chief of staff, artillery assistant, deputy rear. (sorry if I forgot anyone). That is, they can easily operate in isolation from the regiment.
      Well, where else would it seem more complete? Why invent some other tactic? Yes, there are no tanks in the battalion, and heavy artillery with Grads, but the regiment has it all (a tank company and an artillery division) and all this is attached to the battalions at the snap of a finger.
      I repeat, why invent Taktikul when everything was invented long ago in the USSR?
      1. +8
        30 March 2022 14: 07
        The term tactical battalion group appeared abroad. We got picked up. Courageous and very military sounds. Like tactical pants, tactical combat shirt, tactical beard....etc.
        We call it a reinforced battalion. The battalion is given an emergency reinforcement. Tank company, artillery battery or mortar or both, anti-aircraft weapons ...... and so on. Those. a small unit is created, reinforced with firepower, mobile to perform some task, for example, breaking through the enemy’s defenses, marching and capturing an important object - a bridge.
        In general, nothing more than Western terminology.
  3. NSV
    +6
    30 March 2022 04: 21
    With all due respect to the author, who decomposed everything inside and out! As a result, we get that the BTG is a temporary formation that must interact, or rather seek interaction with similar formations! Then why fence the garden?! There is a self-sufficient SME unit in which interaction is established between units, under general command! It is necessary to strengthen the SME, the regiment will strengthen it, but it will not be an armored personnel carrier, but simply reinforced and fully possessing all the means of interaction ... 2SME, 90 SMEs, for example. An armored personnel carrier, this is just a temporary solution, according to the principle "Need is cunning!" Well, the comparison with the US Army ... is a little incorrect. The Yankees still have a different structure and tasks of the Armed Forces, in relation to the theater of operations.
    1. +5
      30 March 2022 11: 54
      Quote: NSV
      With all due respect to the author, who decomposed everything inside and out! As a result, we get that the BTG is a temporary formation that must interact, or rather seek interaction with similar formations! Then why fence the garden?! There is a self-sufficient SME unit in which interaction is established between units, under general command! It is necessary to strengthen the SME, the regiment will strengthen it, but it will not be an armored personnel carrier, but simply reinforced and fully possessing all the means of interaction ... 2SME, 90 SMEs, for example. An armored personnel carrier, this is just a temporary solution, according to the principle "Need is cunning!" Well, the comparison with the US Army ... is a little incorrect. The Yankees still have a different structure and tasks of the Armed Forces, in relation to the theater of operations.

      Hello.

      Why would BTG look for interaction?
      This is a headache for a superior commander.

      In general, my conclusion is the same - BTG is also needed. and PTG.
      With the interaction of several BTG. their consistency is paramount.

      Basically, you write the same thing.
      1. +8
        30 March 2022 18: 19
        Quote: Aleks tv
        In general, my conclusion is the same - BTG is also needed. and PTG.

        Please explain to me what is the point in a separate BTG outside the PTG? On the example of Ukraine, the BTG pulled ahead, but without the additional battalions that are present in the regiment, they simply blocked it and hit the rear columns. In theory, the remaining forces of the regiment outside the BTG should follow, clearing and guarding the rear. I understand that the theater decides everything, but then it turns out that the BTG is, in fact, suitable for a low-intensity database, in other words, for police operations.
        1. +4
          30 March 2022 18: 34
          . Please explain to me what is the point in a separate BTG outside the PTG?

          Didn't you notice that in the article about the Battalion tactical groups I devoted a lot of time to the PTGr?
          Probably not just...

          In Ukraine BTG. now it is necessary not only to "interact" but to "get along" into actually reinforced PTGs.
          Moreover, with the addition of additional artillery, air defense and so on under a single command.

          After all, I didn’t write in the article that BTG. this is the ideal scheme of the day for us at this time in Ukraine ...
          But they can solve certain tasks almost perfectly - they have practically no "tail".
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            30 March 2022 21: 20
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Didn't you notice that in the article about the Battalion tactical groups I devoted a lot of time to the PTGr?

            I just saw this, hence the question arose, is there any value in the BTG in isolation from the PTG? I came up with the conclusion that only when maintaining a low-intensity database.
            1. +2
              31 March 2022 10: 04
              . Is there any value in BTG apart from PTG? I came up with the conclusion that only when maintaining a low-intensity database.

              Hello.
              hi
              Then you need to paint Taktita application.))
              And in the article he directly indicated that I would not want to do this, the "basis" is already described in detail there.
              And believe me, I'm not being smart.

              With the presence of a "front", it is not so difficult to establish the interaction of different armored personnel carriers with each other under a single command. Since they have their own art and air defense.

              And the BTGr can act separately if there is no united front or if it is being torn apart.
              What do you think, if 2-3 BTG. will enter the breakthrough of the front and begin to "roam" in the rear, will they be afraid of encirclement?
              Nope.)) BTG. moves well.
              And if he makes a swift throw to capture the object and gain a foothold there? Those. not maneuverable defense but positional?
              Here again BTG. in the plus.
              She will not scream into the air:
              - I die but do not give up! Waiting for the main force!
              BTGr. in this case, he will not only be able to fight back, but also kick the ass well for a couple of ordinary battalions.
              This is for example.

              BTG is always possible to find a separate use in battles of ANY intensity.
              "toothy" battalion, which has its own artillery, tanks, air defense - will not be superfluous anywhere.
              1. +2
                31 March 2022 15: 10
                Quote: Aleks tv
                What do you think, if 2-3 BTG. will enter the breakthrough of the front and begin to "roam" in the rear, will they be afraid of encirclement?
                Nope.)) BTG. moves well.

                Thanks for the clarification. I think that they will be afraid, because fuel, ammunition are limited, and if the enemy closes the place of the breakthrough, then the BTG will soon turn out to be just a partisan detachment. But I saw in you, in principle, what I myself believed that the BTG "And the BTG can act separately if there is no united front or if it is being torn apart." Figuratively speaking, when the front is broken through and collapsed, then the BTG is just an ideal tool, but to break through this very front, higher-level units are needed.
                1. +1
                  31 March 2022 16: 33
                  . fuel, BC limited

                  Yes, sure. This is a thin link BTGr. You will have to take a small "tail" with you.
                  . to break through this very front, higher-level units are needed

                  I’ll clarify a little:
                  A bunch of armored personnel carriers (if there are no brigades) will need additional funds from a senior commander - an artillery brigade, for example, and other necessary shock buns.
                  Those. in fact, "prefabricated" brigades with reinforcements will break through the defense.
                  In principle, there are no secrets here.))
  4. +5
    30 March 2022 04: 35
    Good article. It is obvious that the author stated, Not Everything and Not About Everything.
    But even so it is clear that now, in Ukraine, we are seeing the development of interactions of just such groups (brigades).
    1. +4
      30 March 2022 05: 26
      Something that the author did not write about and about which readers will most likely begin to discuss. This is a way to manage such groups (teams). The author can easily supplement the article from open sources. But even the American Real Combat Generals admit that with the similarity of the staffing of brigades, the level of control of Ours is like an artist's brush. There are such articles in foreign military almanacs. And China, too, has adopted such a structure.
  5. +9
    30 March 2022 05: 14
    Good article, but there are a few questions.
    Depends on the specific combat mission. But still, the general skeleton, of course, is:

    - three motorized rifle companies,
    - tank company
    - 1-2 artillery batteries,
    - mortar battery
    - air defense platoon,
    - grenade launchers, anti-tank units,
    - a platoon of communications, intelligence, engineering service,
    - units of electronic warfare, UAVs,
    - repair and evacuation and rear support units.
    If it is precisely this composition that is the most combat-ready, why not change the staff of all battalions according to this template? And it turns out that by giving artillery and other means of reinforcement to one battalion, in a regiment, the two remaining battalions turn out to be of limited combat readiness.
    The role of the division in this case is reduced to logistical support, and isn't it too expensive to maintain an entire division if a significant part of it does not take part in hostilities?
    The term group implies something that is prefabricated, requiring combat coordination. Isn't it easier in peacetime to keep part of the troops already assembled for battle? I understand that there are conscripts, they are not taken into battle (hence, by the way, the question is if they are soldiers, then why they are treated in a special way and whether such soldiers are needed at all). But why not create troops of constant readiness without conscripts at all and staffed exactly according to the states suitable for real combat?
    And send conscripts to cropped units intended for a big war, when there is no time for ceremonies.
    PS.
    Many of my questions have been answered in PS. author, but for some reason I did not see this PS. at the initial reading, either my inattention, or it was not there initially.
    1. +5
      30 March 2022 06: 14
      If such a composition

      Not a fact, for example, on a plain it is enough to give a motorized rifle platoon to a tank company, in a building, on the contrary, an MCP tank platoon.
      The role of the division in this case

      Not really, a company is the main economic unit, a battalion is the main tactical one (the minimum unit capable of independently performing tasks in isolation from the main forces), while the battalion headquarters cannot work around the clock in three shifts. The regiment is the main administrative-tactical unit (i.e. it solves the whole range of administrative issues both in the PAP and in combat conditions). The headquarters of the regiment (division) coordinates the actions of combat groups, collects and processes information, and provides combat and logistical support.
      Term group

      Therefore, such things are worked out in advance, during exercises.
      1. 0
        30 March 2022 10: 13
        Not really, a company is the main economic unit

        Economic??? wassat
        1. +6
          30 March 2022 11: 20
          Well, yes, there is even a term - company economy, i.e. accounting for material resources, control of their spending, etc. Accordingly, the company commander is a financially responsible person responsible for the safety of the company's property.
    2. +8
      30 March 2022 06: 47
      Quote: Vadmir
      I understand that there are conscripts, they are not taken into battle (hence, by the way, the question is if they are soldiers, then why they are treated in a special way and whether such soldiers are needed at all

      Military service - in fact, KMB for the population on a national scale. A kind of preparation of a mobilization resource in case of a big war.
      I participated in the monthly training camp a year ago. And they didn’t take away cookies or try to wipe them from cars to households, but namely the staffing of the brigade from scratch to full combat readiness. So they recruited according to the staff list for the Higher Educational Institutions. Those. you don’t need to be taught to hold the machine gun or press the levers correctly. I was already a priori the commander of the automobile department with my subordinates as part of the Urals platoon and drivers. And all these are echoes of the urgent. That is why we have preserved the contract service - that is. fighting is work. And urgent - to teach everyone to hold the machine. A kind of support for pants across the country, when (you never know what) the hour comes, you were able to REALLY help the country with your basic knowledge. Therefore, for those tasks when they can be performed by people who know how to fight, people who theoretically can do this are not attracted to them. Conscripts are a kind of help of the first order, mobilization civilians - of the second.
      1. -2
        30 March 2022 09: 37
        Read Veremeev. He directly writes that if in 1941 we had a contract army, then in a month it would end. From which pocket did they get the Panfilov division that saved Moscow? That's right, from Kazakh.
        The contract army is good in three cases:
        1. In case of peacetime. In the end, the contractor is cheaper in the "total" column. In addition, we are all different people, each has his own talent, and some are better off in the army. It will cost the community less.
        2. For a small and victorious war. She won't be finished.
        3. For a war with the same small professional army. "Against scrap there is no technique other than another scrap"
        But to defend the Fatherland, we still need a massive draft army.
        1. 0
          31 March 2022 12: 46
          Quote: Not the fighter
          to protect the Fatherland, we still need a massive draft army

          laughing that's it ... I thought that for real defense of the Fatherland, we need nuclear munitions and their carriers, used and maintained by no means by conscripts ... And what will these "contract soldiers" do with any draft army! Yes, and with a contract ... and with any aggressor state ...
          As you can see (together with comrade Veremeev), a lot of things have changed with us since 1941 ...
          PS: by the way, the 316th Panfilov division in 1941 near Moscow was "gotten" by no means from Kazakhstan! She, the division, was transferred to Moscow from near Leningrad (from the Volkhov Front)!
    3. -1
      30 March 2022 10: 01
      just about, why not have battalions (mechanized?) already in peacetime, fully equipped with units, which will have to act together in battle? For example, this is our division into tank and motorized rifle arms (and, accordingly, units and subunits of these arms), it is completely cave and antique. You can look at the same Germans. They have mechanized troops (tanks and motorized infantry on infantry fighting vehicles) and infantry (which operates independently in urban areas and mountainous wooded areas). This I mean that if this is not an airborne or mountain rifle battalion, then its companies should initially be mechanized. For example, consist of 2 TV + 2 MSV + control (i.e. approximately 6-8 MBT + 7 infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers with troops) ... I.e. even in peacetime, units coordinated for joint actions.
      1. +1
        30 March 2022 10: 10
        It is better to keep silent about the current state of the Bundesweoa
      2. +1
        30 March 2022 11: 42
        why not in peacetime

        Because the conditions are different, the corresponding ratio of infantry / tanks too.
        1. +1
          30 March 2022 11: 57
          What about thinking? In absolutely all cases where motorized rifles have to fight with their infantry fighting vehicles, they will (should) be accompanied by tanks. So why separate motorized riflemen from tanks into different battalions?
          1. +1
            30 March 2022 12: 09
            Other things being equal on the plain, it is enough to give a tank company a motorized rifle platoon, in the city, on the contrary, a tank platoon, or even a separate tank to a motorized rifle company, in the new realities, it is possible to give infantry from the FSNVG.
  6. +4
    30 March 2022 06: 15
    If sclerosis does not fail me, 2 divisions were in the shelves of 19 MSD wink
    1. +6
      30 March 2022 12: 48
      Quote: strannik1985
      If sclerosis does not fail me, 2 divisions were in the shelves of 19 MSD wink

      Hello.

      Not only.
      And I met with the "owners of the Caucasus", yeah.))
      We bartered "nails" from them. With ZSH1 which ...))
      laughing
      It seems that the 503rd combined regiment was near Komsomolsk ...

      Shake your hand.
      Alex.
      drinks
      1. +4
        30 March 2022 13: 38
        503 SMEs ... in the 2000s near Bamut stood ... our 693 (sober) wassat changed from for the winter ... and yes, in the regiment 2 adn there was also a tank company .. plus 2 mtb ... well, a trifle is different
  7. -3
    30 March 2022 06: 23
    For 16 years, the USSR Armed Forces had reconnaissance brigades that were unique in composition and had nothing to do with the GRU of the General Staff. These are the 20th and 25th separate reconnaissance brigades as part of the Soviet troops in Mongolia. These brigades consisted of 4 separate reconnaissance battalions, a separate artillery and a separate anti-aircraft missile and artillery battalion, a helicopter squadron and combat and logistics support units. A feature of the reconnaissance battalions was the presence of a tank company and a mortar battery in their composition. Such an unusual state for reconnaissance units was due to the vast desert-steppe territory on which the brigades had to conduct possible military operations, which required them to have sufficient autonomy and the necessary firepower. Both brigades were actually formations that included separate military units with their own combat banners.

    Nothing new
    1. +4
      30 March 2022 07: 05
      Everything new is well forgotten old.
  8. +3
    30 March 2022 06: 54
    And why is there a war of "equal sides"? Why is an overwhelming numerical advantage not being created?
    1. -4
      30 March 2022 08: 33
      Because with the available forces and especially the means, we can solve the tasks that are. If we take the classics, that the attackers should be at least three times more than the defenders, so consider it.
      1. NKT
        +4
        30 March 2022 08: 50
        Do you think that even after the withdrawal of units from near Kyiv and Chernigov, we will have such superiority in the Donbass in the direction of the main attack (Slavyansk)? Something I doubt.
        1. 0
          30 March 2022 09: 57
          Firstly, not all units will withdraw, and secondly, after the end of the fighting in Mariupol, more forces are being released, on the territory of the Russian Federation in the border regions, additional forces have been formed and while there are additional forces, that's all
        2. +5
          30 March 2022 10: 45
          First off? Who and when was going to take something away from there ??? Secondly, we did not strive to achieve numerical superiority in any sector of hostilities. We are superior in other ways. Technical, mobile, aviation.
    2. +5
      30 March 2022 09: 09
      Why is an overwhelming numerical advantage not being created?

      You ask our generals. For a month they cannot drive the Vushniks away from Donetsk. The shelling continues. It seems that they again forgot about the need to concentrate aviation and artillery, just like at the beginning of the Second World War. Remember the autumn of 41 ... at first, aviation, assembled from the entire Center and North group, defeated the Bryansk Front and Guderian went to Orel without hindrance, and then a day later this air armada defeated and drove the Western and Reserve fronts into the forest, opening the way for the Wehrmacht to Moscow.
      1. +1
        30 March 2022 09: 58
        For 8 years, very strong fortified areas have been created there, there are a lot of civilians there, again, some of the most combat-ready units are on the defensive. Stop thinking in cavalry charges
        1. +2
          30 March 2022 10: 20
          З
          and for 8 years very strong fortified areas have been created there

          This was the case with the Armenians in Karabakh, only modern means of destruction leave no chance for defense from stationary strongholds. The Americans taught the Armed Forces of Ukraine well how to maneuver defense with waste and counterattacks. There are no pillboxes with meter walls. It’s just that the DPR and LPR do not have aviation under their control, and besides, the saturation of MANPADS in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is high. Our attack helicopters hit from 5 kilometers, not approaching the positions.
          1. +1
            30 March 2022 10: 24
            Yes, they didn’t do anything there, unfortunately, where, where, in mountainous areas, you can make such defense knots that mom don’t cry, it’s enough already to give examples of Karabakh with their obvious bungling and sloppiness.
            What position did you serve in the army?
            If the Americans had taught them well maneuverable combat operations, they would not have been sitting there in a dense defense, and the walls of the pits are and were meter long, there are a lot of video fortifications and very competent in engineering terms
            1. -2
              30 March 2022 10: 41
              a lot of video strengthening and very competent in engineering terms

              Give me a link, I can't find it myself.
              1. -1
                30 March 2022 10: 54
                if it’s not difficult for you, then look at Poddubny’s telegram channels. -Frankivsk, but nevertheless
                1. -2
                  30 March 2022 10: 56
                  if it’s not difficult for you, then look at Poddubny’s telegram channels., Readovrka, Sladkov

                  I look constantly and have not yet seen, so I ask for a link. I saw how from an expensive ATGM they get into an earthen dugout and that's it.
                  1. +2
                    30 March 2022 11: 02
                    Earthen is understandable, worse points in the basements of houses connected by trenches in Chechnya suffered from such firing points, ..
                    1. -2
                      30 March 2022 11: 06
                      a lot of video strengthening and very competent in engineering terms

                      So where are there many videos, at least one link to those who are literate in engineering, like the Armenians with their artillery yards along the line.
          2. +3
            30 March 2022 11: 38
            https://ilya-prosto.livejournal.com/150373.html
            I think this is exactly what the Americans, ukrov, taught how to deal with our armored personnel carriers, how to stretch their forces in order to knock them out later. Article from 2021.
          3. +4
            30 March 2022 13: 50
            According to I. Topchiy, Azerbaijan gathered about 44 thousand against 100 thousand Armenians by the beginning of the 30-day war, in the process the group was increased to 150 thousand. Separate units took part in the battles from the RA Armed Forces (and it is not clear in what composition), plus volunteers. The estimated grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is 125 - 150 thousand, the number of only individual Armed Forces of Ukraine is over 200 thousand. The conditions are different, even taking into account the terrain.
            1. +1
              30 March 2022 14: 01
              See my comment below
        2. 0
          April 4 2022 09: 49
          why would they need to build a fortified area for 8 years if they were going to attack the Donbass?
    3. +7
      30 March 2022 13: 42
      And why is there a war of "equal sides"? Why is an overwhelming numerical advantage not being created?

      But this is strange. During the blitzkrieg, the Germans created a 5-fold or more superiority in certain sectors of the front, using their mobility, since our infantry could only move on foot and did not have time to go to the right place and was forced to blur the entire width of the front.
      It is not necessary to have a general numerical superiority, it is necessary to have mobility and the ability to concentrate troops in the right place. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no mobility because of our air superiority... although sometimes it seems that there is no dominance, since we do not use our mobility.
  9. 0
    30 March 2022 06: 56
    And what can the author say about the RTG (company) as having no headquarters)?
    1. -7
      30 March 2022 09: 20
      And what can the author say about the RTG (company) as having no headquarters)?

      Shas will look at the 50-year-old military manual and answer.
      1. +4
        30 March 2022 12: 02
        Quote: Konnick
        And what can the author say about the RTG (company) as having no headquarters)?

        Shas will look at the 50-year-old military manual and answer.

        Well, try to find something about TGr in our Charters ...))
        We have other formulations, I have already written about this.
        1. -2
          30 March 2022 12: 16
          Well, try to find something about TGr in our Charters ...))
          We have different wording

          Other wording... used to just be called amplification. Some company was given a couple of tanks, but they did not guess to call it "tactical group" beautifully. And the other parts are not tactical, but strategic or what?
    2. +3
      30 March 2022 11: 59
      Quote: Saladine
      And what can the author say about the RTG (company) as having no headquarters)?

      Point punch.
      As a rule, it is formed to perform ONE specific task with a clearly defined Order.
      1. 0
        31 March 2022 05: 17
        Well, the practice and composition of the nominal formation shows that this is not so.
        1. +2
          31 March 2022 11: 07
          Quote: Saladine
          Well, the practice and composition of the nominal formation shows that this is not so.

          Hello.
          hi
          Is this a tricky question?
          I love the ones that are not simple.
          RTgr. In principle, they are created very rarely.
          Judge for yourself:
          1. Give the MSR a tank platoon? No problems.
          2. Attach an art. battery? Bold. Then a platoon? Okay. Then you need an intelligent fire officer for artillery. installations. Will it be the platoon leader? And then who will be at KNP RTG.? This means that people are needed from the battery reconnaissance department or an officer of the "SOB type" in firing positions, and this already needs to be additionally pulled out by the battery staff in order to please the artillery platoon of the RTG.
          3. Give a platoon of Tungusok? Bold. One install? But one machine will not be able to "keep a permanent dome" over the RTG. She sometimes stupidly needs to turn off - rest, maintenance. So the Shells fell down in Libya, one by one. And when this ONE machine is knocked out, all the RTG air defenses collapse. So it remains MANPADS.
          4.Communication. What funds to give? KShM? Signalmen battalion derbanit?

          In general: It is possible to make a company "toothy" (strike capabilities of attack and normal self-defense), but it will be ... "golden". And again, my conclusion in the article is that we need to increase artillery, air defense, communications, UAVs in the oshs of brigades ...

          In my memory, the company was given a tank platoon and a mortar platoon with + an officer from artillery intelligence.
          The battalion headquarters simply chewed the BZ company commander. As a rule, it was simple: checkpoints or cover for "Vovans" during a dangerous sweep.

          If you have thoughts on RTG., Write, I will carefully read. Believe me, I'm all for it.
          Yes, it’s not entirely comfortable to communicate impersonally, it used to be different on VO ... You probably remember, because 7 years on the site.
          Alex.
          1. 0
            April 1 2022 10: 59
            Good morning, Alexey. To the right of the nickname in brackets, the name of the interlocutor, as a rule, is (in gray).
    3. 0
      18 May 2022 10: 51
      Quote: Saladine
      And what can the author say about the RTG (company) as having no headquarters)?

      What is there to say? Yes, it may be required in a specific area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe terrain, but there will be reinforcements there like a bird, and even then - episodically and strictly within the framework of "in the morning you were fooling around and could not, it's already daylight - in an hour the SSC will arrive, in the evening you will return it safe and sound "- i.e. It can be used exclusively within the framework of the immediate task, and other means will be required to solve the subsequent one due to a change in the nature of the actions of the troops of the project.
  10. +3
    30 March 2022 09: 06
    And I liked the layouts and conclusions of the author, simple and intelligible. Those who do not understand should refer to the primer.
  11. -2
    30 March 2022 09: 13
    And at least scratch them on the head.
    belay "Friend Arkady, don't speak beautifully!" (Fathers and sons) Didn't you like the original "At least the stake on the head of the tesha"? But scratching the crowbar .... belay And what is not a joint? request
  12. -4
    30 March 2022 09: 18
    It is not necessary to fight in regiments and battalions in open areas, but in small reconnaissance groups that determine targets and direct artillery and aircraft to these targets. Long arm tactics. In cities, small assault groups are also required. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine widely use sniper and grenade launcher groups, which calmly hold back a platoon or company. They do not have machine guns, since the machine gun is well detected and destroyed. Also, air conditioners are better equipped with thermal imagers. I have never yet seen a scout near our pipe, without which a city battle cannot be waged. Again, we learn from our mistakes.
    1. 0
      30 March 2022 10: 14
      Just because you haven't seen Scout Tubes doesn't mean they don't exist. Not everything can be done by aviation and artillery, to detect this reconnaissance group in the field and nskrobt with mortars and krants. And a machine gun as part of a sniper-grenade launcher group is needed, and how, with a quick and competent change of position, it’s a great thing, it just pulls the barrels out of the windows and tries to do something
    2. +3
      30 March 2022 12: 07
      . Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine widely use sniper and grenade launcher groups, which calmly hold back a platoon or company. They do not have machine guns, since the machine gun is well detected and destroyed.

      There is no universal tactic.
      But, nevertheless, with a grenade launcher and a sniper, go to the company yourself.))

      By the way, it is the machine gun that is almost always included in the sniper group. The grenade launcher is also welcome.
      Everyone has done it and is doing it.
      Such groups can indeed be extremely effective for deterrence, especially in urban areas.
      1. -4
        30 March 2022 12: 09
        it is the machine gun that is almost always included in the sniper group.

        To unmask the sniper? And carry this stray around the floors with 20 kg of ammunition.
        1. +3
          30 March 2022 13: 06
          Quote: Konnick
          it is the machine gun that is almost always included in the sniper group.

          To unmask the sniper? And carry this stray around the floors with 20 kg of ammunition.

          I do not know.
          The Czechs were happy to drag this "arrive" with snipers.
          Our infantry too.

          They must have been stupid...
      2. +1
        30 March 2022 14: 10
        Such groups can indeed be extremely effective for deterrence, especially in urban areas.

        It is possible to fight effectively, having a technological advantage in the form of electronic surveillance devices, such as thermal imagers and night vision devices. The Americans fought in Iraq mainly at night. We do not have such an advantage at all and are fighting, relying on the vicious experience of Grozny. It's good that the Vushniks do not use small-caliber rifles, or maybe they do ... the distances between the houses are small, the shot is almost silent, there is no flash. After Grozny, in DOSAAF, all the little things were handed over to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. A lot of people died from small things. The Czechs were probably stupid and they didn’t carry machine guns like a 10-kilogram PK, you dreamed about it, however, it was important to put optics on the PKK and turn a light machine gun into an accurate weapon.
      3. 0
        18 May 2022 11: 08
        Quote: Aleks tv
        By the way, it is the machine gun that is almost always included in the sniper group. The grenade launcher is also welcome.
        Everyone has done it and is doing it.
        Such groups can indeed be extremely effective for deterrence, especially in urban areas.
        A machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a sniper - it reminds me of something ... oh yes, this is the typical composition of a motorized rifle squad, except that the submachine gunners and the crew of armored vehicles are forgotten. Well, in some places they forget about the need for SVD, but in vain - the density of fire from self-loading, as some experts note, must be multiplied by 10 (30 rpm from SVD ~ 300 rpm) due to the enemy’s occurrence from its aimed fire and the specific sound of the shot, determining the safety of the l / s and identifying the direction of the sniper's OP.
        And the absence of machine-gun fire indicates the inability to use them normally - oblique fire, according to the laws of geometry, increases the density of fire by an average of 2 times (in addition, detection tools do not detect flashes of shots).
  13. +2
    30 March 2022 09: 26
    I like it. Everything is simple and at your fingertips. A small banter in the subject and enlivens. Well done.
  14. +5
    30 March 2022 09: 54
    In principle, I agree with the article, but there are a few additions.
    The battalion is the main tactical unit. The regiment is already a different level, operational-tactical. Therefore, it is not correct to talk about regimental tactical groups, and even more so brigade ones.
    The regiment itself cannot act, which the author himself writes about when he says that weapons, reinforcements, material supplies are delivered from the division.
    The brigades that were created under Serdyukov during the exercises showed their complete unsuitability for action. Therefore, under Shoigu, the divisions were returned back.
    Thus, a conclusion can be drawn. Our realities require divisions that can operate independently both during small conflicts and during large-scale operations. And battalion tactical groups can already be allocated from divisions for local combat operations. It's for locals. If there is a war, all units and formations will withdraw from their places and go to places of concentration (so as not to be hit by missiles at the barracks in Ukraine) and there they will already act as part of the regiments, as prescribed by the combat regulations.
    And the fact that combat potential is considered in battalion tactical groups has a logical explanation. All military equipment and weapons that can shoot are concentrated in them. And the combat potential is taken into account in the weight of a salvo of fire conditionally brought to the power of 152 mm projectile.
    For example, a potential enemy can put up 5 motorized infantry and 5 expeditionary brigades against us. How to find out how many troops they need to oppose? We consider the power of the enemy's volley and our own volley, we get an approximate ratio.
    1. +3
      30 March 2022 12: 12
      . but there are a few additions.

      Hello.
      You have a good comment.
      I read it with pleasure.
      hi
    2. -1
      30 March 2022 12: 48
      There is no full return to divisions. Tank and motorized rifle divisions and brigades coexist in our army.
      1. -1
        31 March 2022 15: 24
        Minusor, am I wrong about something? Don't you know that even now there are a considerable number of separate motorized rifle and tank brigades? And they are not going to convert a significant part of them in the division?
    3. +6
      30 March 2022 17: 47
      Quote: glory1974
      The battalion is the main tactical unit. The regiment is already a different level, operational-tactical.

      Regiment operational-tactical level? What educational institution teaches this, it’s scary to imagine what the division belongs to, probably, to the operational-strategic level?
      To school, please, to primers: tactics, operational art, strategy, and what flows from where and where ...
      1. 0
        31 March 2022 08: 29
        Maybe you studied from the textbooks of the First World War? There, the division was considered a tactical level.
        So if you can, elaborate on your thought.
        1. +2
          31 March 2022 09: 33
          Quote: glory1974
          Maybe you studied from the textbooks of the First World War? There, the division was considered a tactical level.
          So if you can, elaborate on your thought.

          The division is still the highest TACTICAL formation, operational-tactical is a corps, operational is an army. This is not according to the textbooks of the First World War, it was like this 10 years ago and I think it has remained so in all the higher educational institutions of the country.
          1. 0
            31 March 2022 11: 36
            I understand your opinion. But what is it based on?
            Textbook, charter?
            1. +1
              31 March 2022 12: 01
              Quote: glory1974
              I understand your opinion. But what is it based on?
              Textbook, charter?

              Based on training in such disciplines as Tactics and Operational Art in two different military educational institutions.
              1. 0
                April 1 2022 10: 24
                on the same basis, I affirm that the division is an operational-tactical unit.
                According to the regiment, I am ready to admit that I wrote it incorrectly. The regiment is a tactical unit. I made a mistake, because I meant the level of control.
  15. +2
    30 March 2022 10: 07
    I liked the article. I read it with interest.
    I will add that for the successful use of BTgr at a distance from your brigade, and even when interacting with other similar groups and with reinforcements, you need a normal ESU TK. Easy to use, flexible, functional. Without tactical automation and network centricity, the effectiveness of the BTgr will be seriously reduced.
  16. +7
    30 March 2022 10: 14
    All this is of course great and I agree with the author. But this is how I see the operation in Ukraine. A bunch of battalion tactical groups pearled from all directions deep into Ukraine, destroying small pockets of resistance (up to a platoon) and bypassing cities. At the same time, too many directions of attack made it impossible for higher commanders to either ensure an acceptable level of reconnaissance with all these armored personnel carriers, or interact with aviation, or protect roads for the transport of everything by these armored personnel carriers. Hence the high losses. And as soon as these armored personnel carriers stumbled upon an established defense, that was all, the advance stalled for several weeks. And now again there is a regrouping of forces and the creation of already real shock fist in the Donbass to break into this organized defense. So I'm saying, wasn't the original plan wrong? Maybe it was worth taking advantage of the classic experience of the Great Patriotic War and not scattering forces in the form of these most newfangled armored personnel carriers on all fronts? Don't waste time and people...
    1. +4
      30 March 2022 11: 26
      Yes, interesting article!
      But here is an equally interesting article about the conclusions about our BTGr, and how to deal with them ... I think this is probably what the ukrov, the Americans, taught!
      https://ilya-prosto.livejournal.com/150373.html
    2. +5
      30 March 2022 11: 34
      Maybe it was worth taking advantage of the classic experience of the Great Patriotic War and not scattering forces in the form of these most newfangled armored personnel carriers on all fronts?

      The classic destruction of enemy defenses is a high concentration of artillery and a powerful artillery attack, but if the enemy is experienced, then he is not at the line of defense, but is located in the waiting areas and returns only to repel the offensive.
      The main thing in modern warfare is information and communication. The use of high-precision weapons requires careful preparation for the strike, reconnaissance and reconnaissance again. It seems that the experience of the war in Karabakh was not studied by our generals.
  17. +9
    30 March 2022 11: 05
    The BTG has already begun to be widely used in the Caucasus, and the PTG were very conditional (well, not to consider the addition of a divisional "mini communication center" to the regiment and the separation of the RER from the electronic warfare battalion with super reinforcement (judging by our MSP), after urban battles, the regiment shrank to the BTG (the number of floating 600-800 people was), it seems that there were several SMEs (with truncated companies), but instead of TB, a platoon of 2 semi-serviceable tanks was attached, but a full-blooded division of 152mm self-propelled guns.ZDN also consisted of 3 memory 23- 2 by car :), so not everything is clear...
    Well, it won’t be possible to send a brigade (division) of a full staff into combat operations at the current moment, because. do not take conscripts (and how many military units and formations do we have with a 100% contract?), contract refuseniks (including officers) were at 94-96, 99-00, what is now, and this is minus staff units, well, life support of the BM military town-park, the protection of warehouses in the PPD all distracts the l / s from and turns the brigade into an armored personnel carrier
    1. +6
      30 March 2022 12: 19
      Quote: Gvardeetz77
      The BTG has already begun to be widely used in the Caucasus, and the PTG were very conditional (well, not to consider the addition of a divisional "mini communication center" to the regiment and the separation of the RER from the electronic warfare battalion with super reinforcement (judging by our MSP), after urban battles, the regiment shrank to the BTG (the number of floating 600-800 people was), it seems that there were several SMEs (with truncated companies), but instead of TB, a platoon of 2 semi-serviceable tanks was attached, but a full-blooded division of 152mm self-propelled guns.ZDN also consisted of 3 memory 23- 2 by car :), so not everything is clear...
      Well, it won’t be possible to send a brigade (division) of a full staff into combat operations at the current moment, because. do not take conscripts (and how many military units and formations do we have with a 100% contract?), contract refuseniks (including officers) were at 94-96, 99-00, what is now, and this is minus staff units, well, life support of the BM military town-park, the protection of warehouses in the PPD all distracts the l / s from and turns the brigade into an armored personnel carrier

      Hello.
      Briefly, concisely, concisely.
      I completely agree with you.

      Already the native Army from your comment breathed ...))
      1. +6
        30 March 2022 13: 09
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Already the native Army from your comment breathed ...))

        Yes, it seems like 10 years as a tunic in the closet "the moth eats up", I thought I forgot everything and under torture I don’t remember, but no, from time to time even abbreviations come up from the brain fog and some are automatically deciphered :)
  18. +2
    30 March 2022 11: 06
    create full-fledged (!) Structures using UAVs for reconnaissance purposes, starting with the company-battery link at least.
    and immediately!

    It would seem, even in the LPR / DPR it was possible to peep, for example, at the "buy in a store" level: https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2130094.html
    "full-length Mavic quadrics were sent, after which the question of buying powerful enough tablets to work with them, buying brackets for these tablets on Ali so that the second person does not stand and hold the tablet over the operator's console, buying 2-3-4 more batteries for the full operation of this "Mavik" became a matter of personnel. Which and so was where to spend their salaries. The staff sighed and forked out.
    ...
    in the LPR, that in the DPR there is a monstrous shortage of personnel who are really capable of fighting quadrics. Not those who shout "Yes, I can! Yes, I'm a hundred times! Yes, just give!" And those who really know how, if necessary, to go along the very edge of the possible and not lose the car. So first you need to prepare personnel, and within the framework of this task, "Minki" is quite himself. As "control" and "examinations" you can give the task to the operators to correct the AGS-17 fire from them. Maximum - 82 mm mortars. More than this machine is not enough. So all these machines, centrally or decentralized, go to study and train quadcopters for UAV services. If you want, deploy these accelerated courses with companies of UAV corps, you want as you like.
    ...
    Mavic 2 Zoom is a machine suitable for both reconnaissance and fire adjustment, Mavic 2 Pro is suitable for fire adjustment, for reconnaissance - only when there is no fish.
    And let the amazing people hurry up before DJI closes its office in Russia, and the prices for all this do not fly to sky-high heights (and they, the prices, have already started there, yes). Because then you have to sell more villas and Mercedes.
    And when these sides come to the troops, then there will be some kind of effect, expressed in the destroyed positions and personnel of the enemy. Because in many areas, the Ukrainians stupidly piss constantly turn on the electronic warfare, realizing that the "jammer" has a good bearing and is instantly destroyed by artillery fire. This does not mean that they do not provide any resistance at all, they have "anti-drone guns" in their troops, but this, compared to systematic jamming, is much less effective guerrilla warfare.
    Prior to this, inexperienced operators can simply rebuild the "Minki", obeying the requirements of the authorities to squeeze out of the machines what is not included in them.
    So it will turn out to be at least a little closer to equipping enemy troops with quadrics, whose troops have already received Mavic 3 in large numbers.
    "

    Well "It should be noted that the tradition of re-equipping corps UAV units instead of missing or buried aircraft with quadrics is an old one that has taken root, so to speak, but this time people have surpassed themselves."

    But again we are waiting for something ... we don’t have "individuals who are personally responsible".
    1. +4
      30 March 2022 12: 43
      By the way, Mavic 3 is an excellent copter and has a range of 12 or 15 km and a flight time of 45 minutes, it seems to be for reconnaissance and min 120mm, that’s it, there was an article about an armored personnel carrier of a ukrovermacht with a mortar not long ago, but where is our Nona SVK? They are mobile, they fired and changed positions, the Americans fitted them with counter-battery radars at the enemy, where are ours?
      1. +5
        30 March 2022 13: 30
        IMHO, that's not the issue, it's that Mavic 2 and 3 you can just take and buy. Now. And save a lot of lives with it.
        1. Buy
        2. Teach (yes, s.ka, it's like with a collective farm - "spring came suddenly" and you have to teach people by the "immersion" method 24/7). To take as a teacher those who can, the same Murza. Here right now.
        3. "starting from the company-battery link at least" - right now.
        4. Let's do it today - save our fighters today. Tomorrow we will do it - we will save tomorrow.

        But my IMHO, what will not happen today, tomorrow - will not.
        And there will be a conference "Following the results ...", at which the importance will be "emphasized", "experience summarized". Candidate and doctoral theses will be defended in "military science".

        S.ka, well, from 08.08.08 even to .... it came to the conclusion that "UAVs hang overhead, MANPADS don't "lock" them, they don't take memory devices, give at least a hang glider with a machine gun."

        When we get to the "company-battery link at least" with the UAV, I don't know. "Copeish question", and for the budget of the Moscow Region.
        1. +4
          30 March 2022 13: 40
          Maviks looked now decently cost from 200t₽ and up to 500t₽ I agree that we need to buy now, by the way, they are buying, I saw maviks, nightlights and warmers for the militia of the DPR and LPR. so far I haven’t seen ak pc and svd about teplyaks at all, this is the experience of Syria how they bought quadrics and night vision devices and teplyaks for terrorists and they also drank blood (((
        2. +4
          30 March 2022 13: 44
          Mavic copters are norms for observation, but I see a lack of grip on medium-sized Orlan 30 UAVs with illumination and zala, which was shown in Syria and a lack of shock UAVs Lancet 3 there, in fact, the Lancet can be conditionally shock like RPG 26, RPG 28 and RSHG 2
          1. +4
            30 March 2022 15: 02
            I see a shortage of medium-sized Orlan 30 UAVs with illumination and zala, which was shown in Syria and a lack of shock UAVs Lancet 3 there, in fact, the Lancet can be conditionally shock like RPG 26, RPG 28 and RSHG 2

            hi
            What can be done / developed / released in sufficient quantities is about "beautiful far away".
            I write about what works now. And what can be "taken off the shelf."
            Maybe someone will read it, even if not the military (here there is little hope), but at least our SOBR, OMON or someone else will be sent to the NVO zone.
            The thing is good, you can buy it, it solves intelligence problems, especially in urban combat. It's "hard" in terms of money, but you can chip in as a unit.

            In a couple of days, even without a "teacher", it is possible for a couple of employees to master the control of UAVs in the city at an elementary level, even with the help of a competition "who will find more naked drones in the windows of neighboring high-rise buildings."
            Then, in the NWO zone, you won’t have to send anyone to see “what’s around the corner,” “in the next block,” or “what’s on the upper floors.” And "running into ambushes" when observing from a copter in the city can be much less.
            Murz (fighting cat) writes about adjusting the art, but this is the next stage.
  19. +6
    30 March 2022 11: 23
    first of all, it is necessary to increase the number of cannon artillery and air defense in these brigades
    respectfully, but I disagree.
    Most of all, well-trained, equipped and provided with everything necessary for "battle and march" motivated infantry is needed. Under the command of experienced officers and having undergone combat coordination precisely as a single unit, precisely with the personnel with whom it will go to war.
    This is a long and unpleasant topic, why "infantry must be trained no worse than air defense and artillery" or why "smart - in artillery, handsome - in cavalry, a drunkard - in the navy, and .... - in the infantry" is wrong.
    And why it is impossible to replace infantry training with "pumping" the most modern equipment, from individual to unit training.
    Without good infantry, it turns out what happens. Those who wish can see for themselves photos and videos of equipment, for example, marked "two oak leaves". Evaluate, so to speak, personally.
    1. +6
      30 March 2022 12: 25
      . Most of all, well-trained, equipped and provided with everything necessary for "battle and march" motivated infantry is needed

      Hello.
      I always enjoy reading you.

      Of course you're right.
      Absolutely.

      But, according to our states, by strengthening one division, we expose others.

      Arta, anti-aircraft weapons, communications - this old headache .....
      We need to change the schedule. And not only in this.
      There are already experimental formations in four divisions, where 2 motorized rifle and 2 tank, for example.
      This is a huge topic.
      1. +2
        30 March 2022 12: 31
        Hello Alex hi I wanted to ask you, does the MTO T 72 port withstand a 30mm hit or only 12,7mm?
        1. +1
          30 March 2022 13: 10
          Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
          Hello Alex hi I wanted to ask you, does the MTO T 72 port withstand a 30mm hit or only 12,7mm?

          Hello, Alexander.
          hi
          Yes, who knows. I didn’t fly there from the “thirty”.))
          I won't be smart.
          You need to look at the thickness of the armor there, I don’t remember from memory.
          1. +3
            30 March 2022 13: 20
            I mean, I watched the video like this armored personnel carrier 4 ukrofashikov fired at our armored personnel carrier 82 and T 72b3 got from a cannon into the MTO and caught fire, is there even a fire extinguishing system? And as you and I talked about tanks, you need a zpu like on a T-90, by the way, there are norms for the Agat mdt sight
            1. +2
              30 March 2022 13: 46
              . Is there a fire suppression system in there?

              Of course have.
              My lungs still remember her.))

              I described it in an article a long time ago:
              "T-72B3... What kind of animal is this?"
              Here, on VO.
              You can find it in a search engine.
            2. +2
              31 March 2022 00: 53
              I think I saw this video.
              T72 "got" to the starboard side, and there, IMHO, the fuel from the fender tanks caught fire ....
              IMHO, even Alex TV wrote that "to go into battle with empty" external tanks "", and in the "guiding documents", IMHO, the same thing is written ....
              I won't post a video.
          2. +4
            30 March 2022 13: 26
            In general, I watch and damn mats, they didn’t even take into account the lessons of the Afghan war, I watch the military themselves weld additional armor onto the Tigers, damn it they were given by the Tigers of the first series with 3rd class of armor, this is the old class now introduced, and the Russian Guard has 5th class with loopholes and where protection of the shooter, at the ukrovermacht I look armored shields, ours don’t, if they do it themselves, there are also few of them about the Crossbow
          3. +5
            30 March 2022 13: 34
            Alex, I noticed that for many T72b3 the Pine scope is bolted there, damn it, it’s not fate to do swing, there, by the way, on the site they sorted out the deliveries of T 90 and BMP 3 of Iraq with additional BMP3 armor, and they also had optics covered from chips then they dismantled them here that they took into account the experience of hostilities
            1. +5
              30 March 2022 13: 49
              . sight Pine there it is on bolts, damn it, and swinging is not fate to do

              I'm already tired of swearing about these bolts ...))
              The hinged armored curtain has already begun to be installed, finally.
              Say it's from last year.
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  21. 0
    30 March 2022 11: 39
    And also to create full-fledged (!) Structures using UAVs for reconnaissance purposes, starting from the company-battery link at least.


    We have forgotten how to organize the mass production of weapons in a short time. This is possible only in a planned economy, and not in a corrupt oligarchic one.
  22. +5
    30 March 2022 12: 19
    I would like to add a little from the "history" section. As far as I understood at the time, the term "battalion (brigade, company) tactical group" appeared and became widespread during the fighting of the US coalition groups and their allies during the Persian Gulf War.
    If greatly simplified, then the main goal of their creation is to bring together into combat-ready units and military units heterogeneous expeditionary formations of various states, sometimes putting up, for example, a whole platoon of RKhBZ in the theater of military operations. In order to adequately designate the resulting formations in official correspondence and on staff maps, they came up with a new (conditionally new, in fact) name for them.
    Thus, "real" TGRs are tactical-level modular formations formed from units that are not part of the same formation of a higher level, and sometimes even of completely different nationality. Our analogue is the "consolidated unit".
    What today we call TGr-s is not any TGr-s in their classical sense, as I think. This is just a fashionable wrapper of what we have called "reinforced battalion (company)" from time immemorial. Just like a regular schedule is now everywhere called a road map, and the receptionist is called a receptionist.
    1. +2
      30 March 2022 13: 13
      . This is just a fashionable wrapper of what from time immemorial we have called "reinforced battalion (company)

      Hello.

      Yes. Absolutely.
      They just elevated it to the "Concept" of tactical use.
      And this is serious.
      From this there are pluses and minuses.
      1. +2
        30 March 2022 13: 47
        Good afternoon!
        It even seems to me that this phenomenon has a fairly accurate analogue in Russian history - the creation of "shock" and "assault" companies and battalions in the Russian army in 1916-1917. When all the best, including personnel, were gathered in one unit, equipped with the most advanced weapons (grenades, bombers, etc.), they were reinforced by units of other branches of the military (engineering). As a result, the regiment / division had an elite unit capable of performing the most difficult combat missions.
        That's just not good, in the end, it did not lead. Since for the sake of this elite unit all the rest were "bled" and only one company or battalion was able to perform the combat mission on the front of the division. The entire combat potential of the division "shrank" to the level of a company or battalion. Yes, this battalion could break through two or three enemy defense lines, but then it was surrounded and, having suffered losses of 60-70% of its personnel (selected l / s division, by the way!), Retreated to the original. Since the neighbors on the right could not help him. All in all, that was the solution.
        I hope that this analogy is conditional.
  23. 0
    30 March 2022 13: 04
    It is not clear why the emphasis is placed precisely on the battalion level, because the larger the military formation, the more ambitious tasks can be solved. And in Ukraine, the scale can be compared with the operations of the Second World War.
  24. +3
    30 March 2022 15: 55
    At first, I was tense from the phrase about "largely equal sides." Then he figured that there was no possibility for aviation to operate in areas of direct contact. The same with fire support. Limited. But the opposite side, please, if you manage to cover the "trunks" with people with high quality, then they work for this side. Limited targets for destruction due to attempts to preserve infrastructure. This, to a large extent, unties the hands for maneuvering the enemy. In a situation of "absence of the civilian population factor," I think pure hell would have been created in the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Plus quite a noticeable numerical superiority. We have nowhere to get the "declared" 200 thousand contract soldiers, so the balance of power is most likely quite "interesting" despite the factor of the DPR and LPR. Plus operational reconnaissance escort from the United States. In short, yes, you can agree with this.
  25. +2
    30 March 2022 17: 09
    assault engineer-sapper brigades (ShISBr)
    These were totally insane.


  26. 0
    30 March 2022 20: 17
    Secondly, the regiment is the minimum tactical and administrative military unit that can do anything.
    It seems that the division has always been "the minimum tactical and administrative military formation that can do anything."
    1. 0
      30 March 2022 20: 35
      An independent administrative and economic military formation is a military unit - a separate battalion, regiment, brigade. How far these formations "can do anything" in relation to solving tactical tasks depends on what is meant by the concept of "everything".
      Division - the maximum formation of a tactical level. Everything above is already an operational-tactical link. In peacetime, administrative and economic functions are assigned to the headquarters of the division insofar as and for the most part relate to the life of the headquarters itself.
  27. FVA
    +2
    30 March 2022 20: 49
    The author's arguments are quite coherent. But they do not answer the question what will be the form of warfare of the BTGR or BRTGR. Obviously it will be a fight! Tactical form B.D. Accordingly, the depth of action will be from 5 to 10-15 kilometers. This is exactly what we observe during the NWO in Ukraine. The troops cannot break through the usual field defenses, let's leave the stories about concrete to the dummies! They gnaw through it, but they cannot increase their efforts by bringing reserves into battle. This gives the enemy time to maneuver with forces and firepower, to organize defense on new lines. The OMG operational maneuver group would help here, at least from 100-200 tanks (1-2 tank divisions), reinforced by 1 motorized rifle division and up to 3 self-propelled artillery brigades, with the support of the Aerospace Forces. But where is she? We see the mistakes of the Second World War, when the Airborne Forces without tanks perform the role of infantry near Kiev. It is obvious to transfer the experience of the Chechen war and Syria to the Ukrainian theater of operations, which is a mistake. 19 orbr (Point) still cannot be found. Instead of a harmonious multi-species operation sequentially [/b] solving operational problems, we see the simultaneous solution of all problems. Completely ill-conceived operation. No need to listen to the tasks of the Supreme, he is a civilian, you need to carry out planning as taught at the General Staff Academy!
  28. FVA
    +1
    30 March 2022 21: 02
    In addition. What is this task to spare the enemy? This may be required by the Supreme, MG, Head of the General Staff. But what right do direct commanders have to give such an order? Is that what they were going to "mother-in-law for pancakes" ?! I'm just outraged by this disgrace. As a result, all the combat units managed to occupy the defense areas on alert (Kharkov 92nd brigade, 19th brigade, etc.)
  29. 0
    30 March 2022 22: 26
    we need other equipment for battalion tgr. An ordinary infantry fighting vehicle no longer takes out, it is expensive and gluttonous like a tank, it fights too badly with infantry and is itself very vulnerable to infantry anti-tank systems. What's a two, what's a triple. To quickly break through the defense and suppress enemy infantry units, a conditionally "infantry" light tank is needed. Sort of like a minimerkava.
    Approximately 30 tons with a well-protected frontal projection from everything except the adversary's tank gun. With weapons from the BMP-3 (100m high explosives for shelling firing points and 30 (57) mm for dismantling any lightly armored trifle. You can take all this out like an armata into an uninhabited module. And you definitely need an 82mm mortar, maybe something cornflower-shaped automatic, so that effectively "scratch" greenery and reverse slopes of hills and optionally 2-4 anti-tank missiles.
    Ordinary tanks will shift into the role of tank destroyers in the Second World War, and carry infantry in mraps
  30. 0
    April 2 2022 23: 00
    My deep couch opinion.
    The regiment should consist of three battalions, reinforcements and support.
    The division should consist of three regiments, reinforcements and support.
    What is a brigade? whichever you take, then three linear battalions and reinforcement ......
    Remove them altogether.
    I don't see the point in them.
    But the shelves need to be strengthened. So that everyone has the norms. Electronic warfare unit, UAVs, snipers at long distances, sapper assault. And that these units have a structure that can be divided into three equal parts in order to give the three battalions a regiment.
    Author! What do you think?
  31. 0
    April 5 2022 16: 34
    yes, I remember that in 2012 the Germans built a test site for the BTG somewhere in the Gorky region, but in 2014 they stopped its unfinished construction ...
  32. 0
    April 8 2022 02: 06
    Everything is clearly described.
    But!!
    Just watching a movie "Battalions ask for fire."
    That's where we see the work of the battle tactical group.
    You can say nothing more.
  33. -1
    18 May 2022 09: 48
    What a crap article ... Is it really an aftyr from the generation of C-grade officers who entered the Military Schools in the 1970s-...1990s? Okay, let's go through it in order:

    1. (introductory)
    There are mutual exceptions in one bottle:
    - Sprut-SD is not a tank, it's a self-propelled gun! - Get pluses and a chorus of approval.
    After few years:
    – Sprut-SD is a real light tank! - Get pluses and a chorus of approval.
    What about people who initially believed that the 2S25 system was NOT a tank destroyer, but a light tank for the Airborne Forces (because it was made on the BMD-3 chassis), but their opinion was drowned out by "their fronts"? But along the way, it turns out that now airborne ATGMs are additionally required for the Airborne Forces.

    2.
    A tactical group is a military term denoting a certain formation of subunits or units into a single consolidated combat unit to perform a specific combat mission. Accordingly, the TGR is created temporarily and has a kind of “floating” staff.
    There is no such "definite combat mission" in military affairs, but there are the terms "immediate task", "subsequent task" and "daily task" (I believe that in the future this term will only expand, for example, "day task" and "night task" will appear separately /SMU"). The degree of long-term action depends on the quality and quantity of forces and means of reinforcement - sometimes, in order to advance the MSR-MSB, the firepower of the entire division may be required (and in the case of reconnaissance units this happens most often) - this is not only the actions of the DAG, but also the involvement of all PAGs able to reach ( BrAG) and full-time battalion batteries, as well as the involvement of TAON and aviation.

    3.
    In the post-war period, the Soviet army also practiced the creation of military formations from units and subunits united under a single command. For example, a motorized rifle regiment reinforced by means of a senior commander.
    And here one should not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. If we take the very early post-war years, it turns out that there were only 1 company of tanks in motorized rifle regiments (and the Americans, similarly), it was later that a tank battalion appeared in each SME. So, if we take the period of "stagnation", it turns out that the motorized rifle regiment, before receiving reinforcement from the division, could field 1 "battalion group", and with it (with full staffing of l, s and military equipment, of course) already FOUR - for in reinforcement included not only an artillery regiment with the rear of the division, but also a tank regiment with 3 TB and 1 SSB.

    4.
    The division, squeezing as much as possible, milked out of itself, at best, a combat-ready regiment. So they were called "prefabricated regiments", but we ourselves called them more precisely - "rabble regiments". At that time, people were simply scraped from everywhere, equipment even in storage was partially understaffed due to lack of supply and support. Rarely, but there were separate battalions, but they were called “separate” or “reinforced”.
    Well, here is another example of a narrow-minded narrow-mindedness of consciousness. The fact is that in the Soviet Union there were formations with varying degrees of mobilization readiness, from the full-blooded type "A" with 90 ... 100% of the HP, to the type "G" with 20 ... 25% of the presence of soldiers. And with the collapse of the Union in the RF Armed Forces, the influx of conscripts decreased due to the reduction in the number of "resource base" from 208 million people. up to 148 million people - at the same time, full-blooded deployed formations of the SGV, TsGV and YuGV, as well as from Central Asia, were withdrawn to the territory of the Russian Federation from the countries of Europe - of course, there were no longer enough conscripts, because not only combat units were staffed, but also rear services from battalion to central subordination. So “we are scraping up the troops” did not come from poverty, but from the wealth that was inherited from the Soviet Union and which they did not know where to put and what to do with it (in a good way, all the “superfluous” should be rolled up in the BHRVT).

    5. Now the main thing:
    But still, the general skeleton, of course, is:
    - 3 motorized rifle companies,
    - tank company
    - 1-2 artillery batteries,
    - mortar battery
    - air defense platoon,
    - grenade launchers, anti-tank units,
    - a platoon of communications, intelligence, engineering service,
    - units of electronic warfare, UAVs,
    - repair and evacuation and rear support units.

    Well, what do we see: a typical reinforced battalion, which turned out, with the exception of some components, by "ripping apart" regimental means for reinforcement - only in the "old Soviet" regiment all THREE battalions could have such a composition (more precisely, 2 is guaranteed and the 3rd battalion was in reserve, because anti-aircraft gunners and anti-tankers have in their batteries a control platoon and 2 fire platoons), and as practice shows, modern Russian regiments hardly form 2 armored personnel carriers, while, judging by the indicated composition of the armored personnel carriers, everything is it also stands out for a tank company - accordingly, a more powerful option "tactical group = sb + tb + sadn + rear" (with the allocation of 2 other sb for flank support) seems to be impossible. By the way, if you write, then please show sources from serious publications, for example, the issue of ZVO or VM:


    But judging by these schemes, they also have their drawbacks.

    6. And finally:
    BTGr, as mentioned above, is sharpened to perform specific combat missions and is self-sufficient for attack and defense.
    BTGr, in fact, has no weaknesses, except for the radius of application and the depth of use.
    And here is the mistake - BTG has all the disadvantages of transitional formation, in particular:
    a) the implementation of a "specific combat mission" constantly requires that the OShS be flexible, including through reinforcement from the forces and means of the nearest senior commander, even though the tasks are usually typical - therefore, these very forces and means of reinforcement from the regimental commander should be diverse in their functionality, while being capable of both splitting into all 3 "line" battalions in equal composition, and capable of centralized use at the NSU-NSOU.
    b) with an increase in the number of l / s, weapons and military equipment, the rear also grows accordingly - for example, according to correct and long-established standards, 1 cook should fall on 60 people who feed, the supply of spare parts, fuel and lubricants and other military equipment is similar - the growth in supplies directly depends from the "thickness" of the formation. If this does not happen, then people will starve and not get enough sleep, and the equipment is doomed to idle idle.
    By the way, when Serdyukov’s “New Look Brigades” were just being formed, smart officers immediately said that these were “well ... divisions with the muzzle of a regiment” - in a similar way, the BTG is “the muzzle of a battalion and half the ass of a regiment” - and all because the probability of using tactical nuclear weapons in modern conditions is not taken into account, where there are completely different layouts for the deployment and use of troops.
  34. -1
    19 June 2022 15: 12
    "... using UAVs for reconnaissance purposes ..." Why only for reconnaissance? The future belongs to UAV bombers, which will partly replace cannon artillery.
  35. 0
    4 October 2022 13: 43
    So far, judging by the course of hostilities, criticism from Western experts is confirmed. The BTG, having a large strike force, due to a powerful artillery group, has an insufficient number of infantry to clear and hold the area.
    Although of course CBO, something special, incomprehensible. But it is already clear that without high-quality infantry, in difficult terrain, simply strike power is not enough. Especially when conducting hostilities, with a fairly well-trained and equipped army.