Sanctions for Ukraine and our truck production

KAMAZ 65225. Without imported components for the 16-speed ZF gearbox, its production turned out to be impossible. Wikipedia photo

The consequences of the special military operation in terms of industrial production are beginning to show. This material concerns the production of such products necessary for the economy and the army as trucks.

Unhealthy start

I must say that the problems here began long before February 24. Since the end of last summer, there has been a shortage of trucks in the Russian Federation, which in turn led to a serious increase in prices for them.

There is only one example of how the price has changed - the Ural 63704 tractor (pictured) has risen in price by 2021 million rubles over the summer of 1 - from 6,3 to 7,3 million rubles. retail average.

"Ural 63704", photo UralAZ

This difference in price, of course, fell on the cost of transport services, and it was disproportionately heavy - the vast majority of trucks in the Russian Federation are not bought, but are leased, and there is an overpayment in leasing, which, of course, also fell on the cost.

The reasons were, firstly, the destruction of supply chains of components due to the COVID-19 pandemic, secondly, dollar inflation, which spurred the prices of everything that contains imported components or imported borrowed money, thirdly, some strange problems with the supply of Chinese trucks to the country, which, exactly at the time of the formation of our deficit, began to arrive in the Russian Federation with delivery dates in months, instead of being in stock, and also became a shortage (a strange coincidence, by the way), and fourthly, spring a price rally for the metal associated either with the same dollar inflation, or with a global cartel of ferroalloy suppliers, or with both taken together - depending on who you ask.

The last straw was the sanctions against Belarus with its MAZ, which also affected the delivery time. All these facts are absolutely unknown to the layman, but in terms of the economy and the average check in Pyaterochka, they hit and hit.

By February 24, 2022, the domestic truck market approached in a very unhealthy state - a deficit in many positions, although not the same as in 2021, a price race and generally very high prices, the growth of which very seriously, at times, overtook ruble inflation by more than half a year in a row.

But in general, it was possible to live - the delivery time for the entire range was reduced, there were signs that the shortage would not go beyond the reasonable and would gradually decrease (and it was reduced by many positions), in addition, all these processes did not affect to any extent such an important aspect as the production of vehicles for the armed forces - the army continued to receive those vehicles that it ordered in the right quantities.

And then Russian troops launched a special operation in Ukraine.

sanctions strike

Almost immediately, without waiting for a political reaction from their national governments, foreign companies began to leave the Russian market.

In the case of the automotive industry, the critical exit from the Daimler Trucks market. This made it impossible to continue the production of a line of KAMAZ vehicles manufactured using components from the German concern. We are mainly talking about models 5490 and 65206 in different versions. It also became impossible to produce “Mercedes-shaped” dump trucks, which, despite their high price, were steadily gaining popularity. The refusal of the Germans to supply components covered all these undertakings, the production of machines turned out to be impossible.

Kamaz 5490, now everything will be very unclear with these machines

KAMAZ itself makes loud promises about his newest line, and apparently his management believes in them themselves, but this is not a quick business anyway. But that was half the battle.

There is reason to believe that ZF is about to leave Russia. This company is a global supplier of gearboxes, and it cooperated with KAMAZ in this capacity. Gearboxes from Tsanradfabrik are produced in many countries, even, for example, in Iran. But everywhere the company adheres to the rule - no full localization. Typically, gearboxes are localized by 80%, and the rest of the components are imported.

Here this German material indicatesthat, on the one hand, ZF requires the use of its checkpoints only on non-military equipment, and on the other hand, that this checkpoint is used on equipment captured by Ukrainians, and on a large scale.

Neither KAMAZ nor ZF announced the termination of cooperation, but judging by the fact that KAMAZ was included in the latest sanctions list, and German checkpoints on Russian military equipment were in the German press, this issue should be considered resolved. And this is going to be a huge problem.

For light-class vehicles with a chassis load capacity of up to 17 tons, KAMAZ puts not only the nine-speed ZF9S, but also its own 10-speed 154 gearboxes. If KAMAZ had a chance to keep the build quality high, it would be a good "box". For the army and export markets, the “ten-step” of the previous generation “152” is still being produced. It is possible to produce a five-speed "144".

But on heavy vehicles, with a payload of 20 tons or more, only the 16-speed ZF16 is installed. This checkpoint is installed on road dump trucks 6520 with a carrying capacity of 20 tons and on 25-ton 65201, it also helps to move all heavy all-wheel drive KAMAZ trucks, thereby doing the lion's share of transport work in our North.

The KAMAZ 65221 truck tractor was also produced with a ZF gearbox. Photo "TrakHolding"

There is no alternative - its own "big" gearbox "161" has long been discontinued, and there are irreplaceable imported components from the same ZF (like synchronizers). And this meant that domestic trucks with the above load capacity should cease to be produced.

Which, in turn, raises questions from civilian users like “where can I get an all-terrain tractor for a heavy-duty semi-trailer?” - they don’t make new ones, and due to the withdrawal of Western truck manufacturers from the market, they hardly bring them to the country. MAZ and the Chinese will not saturate the market. And without heavy tractors in the north, sooner or later, the oil industry will stop.

But the army will receive the main blow from, apparently, the departure of ZF - chassis 63501 for a mass of military special equipment, was left without a gearbox, without it, the heavy eight-wheeled chassis 6560 was left, on which they put the Pantsir air defense system, and these vehicles will also not be produced yet, and most importantly, the army was left without a 65225 tank carrier, since it is also equipped with a ZF gearbox.

ZRAK "Shell" on the KAMAZ 6560 chassis, the only gearbox is ZF. Wikipedia photo (Aleksey Toritsyn)

Against this background, the presence in the machines of a mass of imported components is “simpler” and the simultaneous doubling of the cost of both the dollar and the yuan against the ruble already passes under the heading “other problems”, but these other problems cannot be ignored either. The mass of parts of the brake system, all fuel equipment, part of the electrical equipment of KAMAZ trucks are imported. And over the last 4 days of February, their price has increased. The cost of foreign loans also soared, and working with banks outside the Russian Federation became very complicated.

Some jingoistic patriot would have guffawed that, they say, there are no problems, there will be other suppliers or we will do it ourselves. The reality, however, is different - since April, KAMAZ has stopped accepting applications for the production of vehicles of the current model range, these vehicles are being discontinued. Instead of modern light class vehicles with a carrying capacity of up to 17 tons, KAMAZ launches their analogues, which were on the assembly line in the late nineties - the first half of the XNUMXs, in a series. With a corresponding deterioration in performance.

As for heavy vehicles and tractors with Mercedes-Benz units, they are simply taken out of production, without replacement. It’s just that for some time, apparently, the remains of civilian vehicles of the modern model range will still roll off the assembly line in April, but rarities will go from May.

It is possible that equipment for the army will be made for some time on old stocks, but this will not last long either. The same goes for models that had no other engine than Cummins, such as the small 4308.

KAMAZ 4308, Cummins engine, ZF gearbox. This car is doomed. Photo by RusBusinessAuto

They won't either. But the country would easily survive this, unlike dump trucks and "Shells".

Time machines

Ahead of us is a certain form of surrealism in reality - as if the VAZ-2107 was put into production again. Old motors without electronics with a capacity of 240 and 260 hp. s., iron cabins without a plastic body kit, the same instrument panels ... Of course, KAMAZ may not produce the same configurations of old models that were 15-20 years ago, and slightly modernized versions of them, such as export models adapted for Russia for African markets. However, the effect will be noticeable. For example, it was - chassis 65115.

Photo "Kamcenter"

It became - chassis 53229.

Photo retrotruck.ru

But, of course, this “change” is worse: it was a dump truck 6520.

Photo "Techautocom"

After:

Photo freepik.com

What are the consequences for the economy such a primitivization of the model range entails? Well, for example, the fact that in order to transport 45 tons of bulk cargo on a dump truck, it will be necessary to make not two trips to 65201, but three to 65115, which also has a significantly smaller resource. Plus ecology, plus higher fuel consumption in older engines.

This is a very strong blow to our already African labor productivity and the economic efficiency of the transport sector. It has already been said about the consequences for the army - a lot of special vehicles, tractors for transporting armored vehicles and chassis for the "Pantsir" will not be produced. For a complete understanding of the issue, here is a list of models that KAMAZ leaves in production.

53215 "Euro-2" (6x4, load capacity 12 tons),
53229 "Euro-2" (6x4, load capacity 17 tons),
43118 "Euro-2" (6x6, load capacity 12 tons),
43253 "Euro-2" (4x2, load capacity 8 tons),
4326 "Euro-2" (4x4, load capacity 5 tons),
53605 "Euro-2" (4x2, load capacity 13 tons) and vehicles based on them. As well as

truck tractor 65116 "Euro-2" (6x4, saddle load 15 tons),
dump truck 65115 "Euro-2" (6x4, load capacity 15 tons),
onboard 65117 "Euro-2" (6x4, load capacity 14 tons).

Everything. For those who do not understand, search engines can easily find both photos and technical characteristics of any of these cars.

Why did KAMAZ do just that? After all, at first glance, everything is solved simply. No ZF-16 gearbox? We put the Chinese Fast Gear 16JS, the quality is the same, the parameters are the same, it fits the engine normally according to the “bell”, the SAE standard is the same for everyone.

There is no way to install BOSCH fuel equipment? There is AZPI, and it was this equipment that saved KAMAZ at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, when imports turned out to be impossible.

But the auto industry doesn't work that way. The produced machine must have a complete set of documentation, on the basis of which it is produced. If this kit is not available, then it means that the imaginary model-alteration cannot be put into production. A set of documentation must first be developed. This time.

You can switch to the specifications for the old chassis simply by order, and the production, which has all the documentation and stocks of spare parts for "African" and military vehicles, will be able to quickly reorganize. On an imaginary model from another checkpoint - no.

In this regard, the decision of KAMAZ may not be critical for the economy - if there is a quick return to "normality". If the plant decides to take its time and stick with the old lineup while trying to launch its ultra-modern 54901 with the new KAMAZ in-line engine, then this will hurt the economy, and possibly defense capability.

Such a decision is quite possible, since the domestic manufacturer will have almost no competitors on the market, MAZ, if only, but it has its own niche. And there were precedents in the world - for example, in the photo below, a truck manufactured by Iran Khodro Diesel from Iran, squeezed by sanctions, this car is still being produced.

Photo ieb.today

And here it is necessary to voice two possible ways out of the production impasse, each of which is technically feasible, only one is fast, easy and not very useful for the country, which will continue to live like a besieged fortress, and the second is complex and problematic, but much more correct from the point of view of the country's long-term interests.

Before moving on to consider both options, we need to take a look at KAMAZ's competitor, UralAZ, and its engine supplier, Yaroslavl Motor Plant, YaMZ.

Ural

UralAZ has not yet done anything similar to KAMAZ, but no deadlines are given for those positions that could fall under Western sanctions. That is, you can order a tractor with a ZF gearbox (“Urals” of a number of models come with them), but no one names the dates when the car will be shipped. In fact, they can be very long. But for now, modern in-line diesel engines YaMZ - 536 and 653 are being produced. Iveco cabs for the cabover series are manufactured in Miass, Next cabs, common to all cars of the GAZ group (the hood is different), are also still available.

So far, in addition to the ambiguity with machines that have a German gearbox, some unpredictability has appeared about what can be obtained at the factory and what is not. But in general, production is underway, cars are being handed over, if everything goes on as it goes on, then there will simply be unstable deliveries of those models that are equipped with the Yaroslavl checkpoints YaMZ-236 and YaMZ-1105. But the prospects for light class cars with a ZF gearbox and the entire heavy class (there is no replacement for the German gearbox yet) are very vague.

You can, of course, hope that ZF will continue to supply checkpoints to URALAZ - the money doesn’t seem to smell, but there was no talk of Urals in the EU, and military Urals are not used from this checkpoint in Ukraine. They talked only about KAMAZ trucks.
But you should not hope for this, and problems with ordering cars confirm this.

For some time, there may be problems with BOSCH fuel equipment, which YaMZ engines are equipped with today - up to the loss of the ability to use it in principle. In this case, YaMZ will have to look for a way out, and apparently, it will be AZPI.

Another problem will affect the road line of UralAZ - non-wheel drive "Urals" 6x4. It cannot be said that these cars were very popular, but now, in the conditions of the withdrawal of foreign manufacturers from the domestic market, there will be a shortage of cars for some time, which will have to be filled.

Non-wheel drive "Urals", while serial. UralAZ Photos

However, in addition to fuel equipment, parts of the brake system and the RBL steering mechanism, road Urals have a very large and expensive imported unit - Chinese-made drive axles. The same ones that recently began to be installed on their "Mercedes-like" KAMAZ vehicles.

There are no problems with obtaining these bridges - China will supply as many as needed, but, as in the case of Chinese trucks, the ruble exchange rate becomes a problem - it has fallen since February, and the bridges, accordingly, have seriously risen in price.

The plant is working on expanding its production of bridges, and it was funded by the government, but even before the start of the operation in Ukraine, the first bridges were expected in 2023, now, apparently, they will be later.

It is also impossible not to note that if YaMZ switches to AZPI products, and then KAMAZ also returns to Euro-5, then AZPI may not be able to pull out. It must be borne in mind that its power is not infinite.

MAZ

Finally - Belarusian brothers. In conditions of unclear prospects for KAMAZ and UralAZ, and Westerners who left the market, they become monopolists in several classes, albeit not for long. For example, China has all-wheel drive dump trucks in general, but they don’t have single-wheel tires and 16.00R20 tires. And in the north, this is often what you need.

MAZ 6502N9 is the most glamorous MAZ all-terrain dump truck

Previously, they were made by MAZ, KAMAZ and Ural, the last one from this list was the best, MAZ had the worst proposals in terms of the sum of qualities. But now it doesn't matter. As soon as the available warehouse balances and production reserves run out, there will be no alternative to MAZ.

And, by the way, the sanctions that Belarus fell under do not interfere with the production of MAZs of any configuration, they simply complicate the financial part of the issue. But not technological. Motors "Mercedes" except that they will not be now, but this, in fact, is a trifle.

Well, now - the actual solutions.

"Return to normal" or a step forward?

There are two ways to solve the problems that have arisen and to prevent a “rollback to the past”. One of them is faster, easier and cheaper in the short term. The second one is more difficult, more expensive in the short term, will require greater organizational efforts from manufacturers and state intervention in the process. But more correct.

Let's briefly review both options.

"Back to normal". This is simply a matter of switching suppliers in collapsed supply chains.

Roughly speaking, instead of the ZF gearbox, the Chinese Fast Gear gearbox comes, either to KAMAZ or to Ural, then YaMZ updates the design of its engines, changing the fuel equipment to AZPI, some of the KAMAZ engines, however, continue to come out in the variant until AZPI will not be able to fully compensate for the dropped out BOSCH. Then everyone returns to Euro-5.

Instead of currently unavailable Cummins engines, KAMAZ can find a supplier in China, after all, it already has a partnership with the Chinese concern Weichai, the largest manufacturer of diesel engines in the world. Some of the Chinese engines can replace Cummins engines on the smallest KAMAZ trucks.

Only the need to sort things out can get in the way. relations with Americans from Federal Mogul, with which KAMAZ has a joint production of piston group parts for its modern V-shaped eights. On old machines, they have a working volume of 10,85 liters, on the current ones, which will temporarily go “into the shadows” - 11,86 liters and not quite domestic piston. But here the permission to ignore other people's patents can help, and it will have to be used. However, the media has not yet reported any problems with this partner.

UralAZ is still simpler: replacing BOSCH with AZPI in Yaroslavl, instead of the nine-speed ZF gearbox, modification of its 9-speed YaMZ-239 gearbox, instead of the 16-speed ZF - the same Chinese gearbox as the future heavy KAMAZ trucks. Chinese bridges will just buy expensive until they start making their own. And that's it, the issue is closed, it takes several months to develop new modifications and put them into production. By the end of the year, the lineup will return to normal, minus the change of main suppliers.

Everything, the matter is closed, everyone returned to "business as usual." But is it right?

Step forward.

There is an alternative that is more difficult, but more correct. Self-reliance. True, the state cannot be dispensed with here. Let us briefly list what KAMAZ needs:

- restarting their Euro-5 engines (meaning the 740th series), with a working volume of 11,86 liters and modern fuel equipment. What is needed for this? Yes, by and large, nothing, such engines are already mass-produced, just not all components are available. What are the big issues that need to be addressed? Yes, three - the required number of sets of AZPI fuel equipment, somehow settle issues with Federal Mogul (if they exist at all), start buying various small things somewhere else;

– Gearbox to replace ZF-16. The correct option would be to purchase 16JS as a palliative, while simultaneously restarting the production of a 14-speed gearbox in Tutaev, at the Tutaev Motor Plant. Once it was known as the YaMZ-330, and its modification may well replace the ZF16 and the Chinese gearbox too. At the same time, you need to return to the checkpoint "161" and slowly bring it to mass production, and without imported components, since the presence of a 14-speed gearbox will allow you to take your time.

And now the most important thing is that the government, which has limited ability to influence KAMAZ through Rostec, must force PJSC KAMAZ and the GAZ group to cooperate. What for? Well, for example, because if the launch of a 14-speed gearbox in Tutaev or the 161st gearbox in Chelny turns out to be impossible within a reasonable time, then the production of a nine-speed gearbox capable of transmitting the torque of any of the KAMAZ engines is quite established in Yaroslavl, minimal modifications are needed for "merging" the Yaroslavl checkpoints with KAMAZ. Yes, from a technical point of view, the solution is so-so, but it allows you to restart the production of heavy machines very quickly.

And YaMZ also has an alternative to Chinese-American diesel engines - more or less modern in-line six-cylinder engines that completely cover all the needs of KAMAZ that it can only have. Of course, KAMAZ, which has its own Euro-5 engines with a capacity of 260 to 420 hp. from. and bringing to the market an even more powerful in-line “six” for mainline tractors, it is unlikely to purchase the entire line of engines from YaMZ, but it is more than possible to replace Cummins on light two-axle vehicles 4308, 43253, 43255 with the Yaroslavl 536th series, this is a complete analogue and according to power, and in terms of weight and dimensions, and in terms of working volume, but KAMAZ does not have its own such engine.

Engine of the 536th family. Complete replacement for Cummins ISBe6.7

As it appears, it will be another conversation, but for now it would be nice if the money went not to China, but to Yaroslavl. The KAMAZ 5-speed "144" or some version of the YaMZ-1105 adapted to another car can be used as a gearbox for these cars.

There is also a reverse option - KAMAZ has drive axles for road vehicles, both for two-axle and three-axle (twin bogies). And here it is already logical to persuade UralAZ to use KAMAZ axles in their models, until it is possible to launch a new production of drive axles, which is currently being worked on.

Moreover, if KAMAZ manages to put into production a 14-speed gearbox in Tutaev or a 161st gearbox in Chelny within a reasonable time, then these gearboxes can already get on the Ural, replacing both real ZF and virtual Chinese gearboxes. .

The disadvantage of this whole scheme is that the iron will of the state is needed, which will have to achieve effective cooperation between competitors, since they themselves will not do this.

Pros.

Firstly, the fact that in the conditions of the most severe economic sanctions, the Russian Federation will not fall into additional dependence on a foreign supplier, which also has to be paid in foreign currency.

Secondly, the fact that the country will develop its production of auto units, and from this one step to their export independent of cars - to the same MAZ, which now puts on its cars both German, and Chinese, and ours (YaMZ-239) transmissions, however, are ours only for a few models and not much. Own production will make it possible to turn the tide and increase the export of the same gearboxes, and other units.

And there, you see, you can enter some other markets - there are decades of industrialization of Africa ahead, including the creation of your own car industry there, and it would be quite nice to show up there instead of Eaton and the like.

Let's summarize. In a few months, both KAMAZ and URALAZ may well close their weaknesses with subcontractors and resume the production of normal vehicles again in the case of KAMAZ and the entire Ural model range, including both heavy-duty vehicles and road cars. This also applies to military vehicles. The most important fact here is that it is possible to get out of this crisis with the help of real import substitution, giving impetus to the development of our own industry.

At the same time, KAMAZ has such an option as the production of modern models, but with engines without electronics. It is also possible to develop documentation for the production of such machines very quickly, and they also do not need to develop new units, everything is there. This move may well neutralize any difficulties with the expansion of production at AZPI, which will need to supply the entire country with fuel equipment, and will allow not to reduce the production of trucks while the Altai plant is increasing the production of its products. For engines without electronics, fuel equipment is made by YAZDA, and the problems of AZPI in this regard will be indifferent to KAMAZ.

Yes, and UralAZ has such an option with its V-shaped six. If something happens, it is quite possible to put YaMZ-236NE Euro-2 on the old bonneted Urals with an iron cabin, at least also as a half measure.

And when they start doing everything in the right quantities in Altai, go back to Euro-5.

In general, the fact that the production of trucks in Russia has found itself in the most severe crisis since the fire at the KAMAZ engine plant (not so bad, of course) is a fact. The fact that these problems are not only solvable, but also can make the auto industry less dependent on imports and more developed is also a fact.

And this must be done in the shortest possible time. We need to stop relying on foreign countries, especially where we can do everything ourselves.

Comments

[jonht]

In general, all this is true, but since it is unlikely that we will respect their intellectual property, therefore, we can quite repeat their devices, use their technical solutions all the more. As they say, we use the experience of China, we will launch a photocopier of what is needed but not developed.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: jonht

In general, all this is true, but since it is unlikely that we will respect their intellectual property

What about property? Now processors are shoved into every iron, nafig not needed, and the software and the processors themselves form the basis of the IS.

At the same time, KAMAZ has such an option as the production of modern models, but with engines without electronics. It is also possible to develop documentation for the production of such machines very quickly, and they also do not need to develop new units, everything is there.

The author writes correctly, there is an opportunity - you need to use it! And not at the expense of electronics, but at the expense of materials and design.
I'm not against processors, but you need to know the measure!

[Popandos]

back to Euro 5.

I'm not against processors, but you need to know the measure!

In general, does it need EURO 3,4 or 5,6, etc., as for me, this is more of a competitive war in the market.
Make ECONOMIC (fuel consumption, purchase price, repair price) fuel equipment, and we won’t be able to enter the markets where all these EUROS rule the show for a very long time.

[NIKN]

Quote: Popandos

where all these EUROS rule the show, we do not shine for a very long time.

Not for a long time, well, relatively, then it’s not camilleto to catch up, and not only the market rules here, in the same India they wanted to have all these euros, but the ban on the use in Europe without euros affects cargo transportation, and buying their cars for this, what would they have to go there, even worse. Yes, and it’s not particularly problematic to comply with it, there is nothing from the space industry there.

[Popandos]

Yes, and it’s not particularly problematic to comply with it, there is nothing from the space industry there.

Yes, there is nothing like that, but there is a big BUT, I have a DAF euro 3, which means there is no urea, it eats almost any diesel fuel with an acceptable consumption, and repairs can be done almost everywhere.
And there are all sorts of smart fuel tanks with euro 5 or 6 that need to be poured with urea, the repair costs like an average small car, and you can just find normal craftsmen who can repair this horseradish fuel, there is no diesel fuel of this quality in Russia for mother (do not believe any inscriptions, on the fence too they write different things, but there is firewood).
All this from personal experience of long-distance combat.

then catching up is also not Camilfo,

And don't forget, you're trying to play by the rules with cheaters by the rules of cheaters.

[NIKN]

I know about urea MAN himself exploited. Who prevents us from supplying what is in demand to the domestic market, but we cannot do without foreign cargo transportation, and there is a high probability that the requirements will only increase after that. It was already with planes, according to the noise level, it was forbidden to land at their airports. What have we done? Purchased and rented Boeings and Airbuses. What's wrong with them now? What is now with our civil aviation industry?

[Popandos]

but we can't do without overseas cargo transportation

Yes, there is no way without it, but who will guarantee that our diesel engine that meets ALL the requirements of gay Europeans will receive their permission to enter the European Union, cheaters are sitting at the table, why should they let a competitor into their field, they didn’t come up with this EURO for this.

[NIKN]

Quote: Popandos

not for this they came up with this EURO.

Doing nothing at all is not an option, for example, airplanes. And there life will show, maybe we will create for them some kind of standard "Sibir6" instead of the EURO. Let's wait and see, the world does not stand still, you can see for yourself.

[Popandos]

And there life will show, maybe we will create for them some kind of standard "Sibir6" instead of the EURO.

I completely agree with you, I am in favor of expelling marketers from the design bureau, and recruiting engineers so that they create things that it would be profitable for us to buy, and not the guano that is now being imposed.
Commercial vehicles with a mileage of 100 thousand and in repair, this is a laughing matter for chickens.

[Ilya_Nsk]

obtain their permission to enter the European Union

what? everyone, departed .. They will disown us, going on principle, and will not let us in on anything.
It was necessary to think before starting this mess .. It turns out that the "Tiger" drives Cummins, it will be funny. I remember that almost all of their own were in Kamaz and drove, but LiAZs were already on Hungarian bridges. This decision destroyed the whole world and God forbid we raise it in 30 years to of yesterday level. Let's see what happens in a year

[Popandos]

everyone, departed .. They will disown us, going on principle, and will not let us in on anything.

Okay, well, we won't let you in. They will be unloaded at the border, and our carriers will already take them around the country. The balance of trade is in our favor, they bring more trucks to us.
I am for, I will have more work.

[Siberian54]

The article was written in February .. In May, it is already known that cargo transportation in the euro area will not shine for us for a very, very long time, the ruble won back its positions (that we failed to arrange a military coup in Kyiv, that they failed to destroy our financial system. The conflict went in long-term construction and pirated copies clearly received government approval

[911sx]

Absolutely agree. I will add. EURO 3,4,5 drive internal combustion engines, especially diesel, into very tough, almost impossible limits, invented by the green, but by no means engineers. Real toxicity standards are at the level of EURO2 or 3. And, there, battery injection is optional, mechanical one will also cope, with high-quality fuel equipment. Take a look at the EURO3 era Scania

[timokhin-aa]

There are issues of export and movement abroad, and here we cannot do without environmental standards.
The second point is the health of our population - the amount of soot in the exhaust of Euro-2 and Euro-4 is very clearly visible even to the eye.

[911sx]

Quote: timokhin-aa

There are issues of export and movement abroad, and here we cannot do without environmental standards.
The second point is the health of our population - the amount of soot in the exhaust of Euro-2 and Euro-4 is very clearly visible even to the eye.

I agree, but only partly. Diesel EURO 5 at min. mileage already does not correspond to this EURO, which has been repeatedly proven by experts when measuring toxicity, again, fuel consumption, all other things being equal, is higher (there is no forced cold storage, because the catalyst or particulate filter must be kept warm), hence the SW. operating fuel consumption - even if the toxicity standard is met, then the volume of exhaust gases is leveled. With EURO 5, the volume of gases began to be regulated - at the output of hybrids, then it was also tightened at the level of manufacturers - an increase in the share of electric vehicles.

[911sx]

It turns out a vicious circle. More precisely, a movement to a dead end. EURO 3 is the practical maximum. Perhaps, due to Battery injection, it is achievable with reservations and EURO4, but no more. Look at the torque shelf of today's diesels - it's Common rail. The injection is divided into 5-7 innings, delicately calculating the lead, the boost pressure is constant, etc. throughout the entire range. However, where earlier x.x. was 600-650 rpm, now 850-950, with max. decreased from 2100-2300 to 1900 rpm. And this is all coupled with a decrease in the slave. range requires 16-speed transmissions, driving the operation mode into stationary (almost).

[Siberian54]

And now, from the realm of fantasy, a steam engine running on low-temperature liquids .. the heater nozzle can be made ideal in terms of emission, the efficiency on modern materials will be comparable to fuel consumption, and any and the gearbox is simpler

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Everything is fine, only the Miassians in the XNUMXs already had "graters" because of the cabs with KamAZ, and the first ones remember this very well.
For the first and second to forget this, a steel will or a carrot from the state is needed!

[hohol95]

Turley, who should produce cabovers?

[timokhin-aa]

Well, the article says that without state coercion in any way

[Proxima]

The Russian economy is first and foremost the legacy of the Stalinist economy, which strove for autarky and to a large extent achieved it. Even small North Korea, Iran, and (in the past) South Africa have done a fine job of dealing with sanctions. So it’s a sin for Russia to complain, you just need to develop national production.
“You have to understand that before the war we imported a lot of valuable equipment from abroad. Many factories were built on American and other equipment, for example, all tractor, automobile, aviation plants, UZTM, NKZM and others, and now the Americans do not give us equipment "We must organize the production of such equipment ourselves. This is a difficult task, but in two years we will learn how to do it and will be completely independent from abroad. In two years we will thank the Americans for not giving us equipment and for teaching us how to make new equipment" - fragment of Stalin's speech. As you can see, nothing is new under the sun.

[Far B]

necessary just develop national production

Not at all easy - with the current financial and economic situation, which they are not going to change (which was confirmed by the submission of Nabibullina's candidacy for a new term, yes).
To drag Stalin into the current situation is generally beyond the bounds: where is Stalin, and where are the current rulers? And where would the current rulers be under Stalin? However, it seems that under Stalin they would just raise the country's economy - they felled the forest with a jigsaw or something like that. All the same, they are not focused on more constructive activities.

[Vadim237]

And how the Central Bank relates to the development of national production is not its function, it is a financial regulator, but neither as a manufacturer nor an investor should and do this: the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Economic Development, Rostec - large medium and small businesses. The main problems of our manufacturers are bad advertising, the same bureaucratic red tape, bribery, lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers in the domestic market and distrust of their consumers in their domestic products.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vadim237

And how the Central Bank relates to the development of national production is not its function, it is a financial regulator, but neither as a manufacturer nor an investor should and do this: the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Economic Development, Rostec - large medium and small businesses. The main problems of our manufacturers are bad advertising, the same bureaucratic red tape, bribery, lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers in the domestic market and distrust of their consumers in their domestic products.

Is it okay that the financial regulator is responsible for the percentage of a loan in a bank by regulating the discount rate? Is it okay that the Central Bank blew 300 billion of gold and foreign exchange reserves? Did someone else buy American securities (Ministry of Finance) instead of developing their economy

[parusnik]

So it’s a sin for Russia to complain, you just need to develop national production.

...Then when the cancer on the mountain whistled even after the rain on Thursday. We need to develop, only this should have been done 30 years ago ... Otherwise, the West will help us, we will attract foreign capital ... Well ..
"- What, son, did your Poles help you?
- So sell? sell faith? sell yours?" (c)

[surok1]

The lone inventor Sergei Arkadyevich Vedeneev corrected a mistake in the theory of planetary gears, the result of this correction was a class of "impossible" gear continuously variable gearboxes, reduced in size, with a high load characteristic. Does it have a future in the capitalist world? There were also roller blades.
Inventor Zverev, who "Design Bureau Russian Motor" with fuel gasification. The late Ibadullaev, with an absolutely understandable theory of internal combustion engines, was ostracized.

[timokhin-aa]

There is one problem that is not obvious to the layman - materials. For example, in the west, steel is lighter and stronger in general.
Some primitive synchro with German bronze will work, not with ours, etc.
And this is often an unresolved issue.
Sometimes there are simply no technological possibilities, for example, an aluminum sheet with a width of 3 meters is made only in Germany and that's it, nowhere else.
In short, it's hard

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Sometimes there are simply no technological possibilities, for example, an aluminum sheet with a width of 3 meters is made only in Germany and that's it, nowhere else.

A few years ago I worked in a boarding school for the blind. So. The sheet was in stock. Aluminum, six millimeters thick, three meters wide, and four meters long. Who released? And HZ...

[timokhin-aa]

German. We have 1 meter, no more, if you need a large panel, then you need to weld end-to-end.

[Thrifty]

There have been fights here for a long time '"wall to wall"! Some said that the West will sell EVERYTHING to us, the question is the price, and there is no need to strain, I bought their craft and installed it. that the West is no help to us, and the Chinese will sharply raise prices for the necessary products, even if they are of nasty quality. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO YOUR OWN! Do not destroy production in the country, for the sake of "partner friends", but invest in new developments, technologies, new jobs! How strong is the West for you? Now you need to invest trillions, speed up development, use Ukrainian production, among other things, and create jobs there, but solve problems with imported components. Launch in deed, not in words, the notorious import substitution. There is simply no other way for us! And, the conclusions should be drawn that Russia has only one resource - its population. That you need to rely only on yourself. No friends exist, it's fiction. It will be hard, but this is an inevitable price to pay for blind faith in "friends-partners"! I would like to believe that at least here the Kremlin will definitely draw conclusions and begin to act in practice, without "faith in partners."

[avg avg]

Quote: Thrifty

The more reasonable ones, who were massively minus, turned out to be right in the main

Yes, you are just some kind of modest one!

[cat-begemot]

With all due respect to the author, 3 weeks of operation, the warehouses should still be full of spare parts, no one bothers to replace the Germans with the Chinese, we will produce something ourselves, something Belarusians. perspective. And in 3-6 months, either the "partners" will return or the issue of replacement will be resolved.

[Thrifty]

Hippo cat - it's time to start living and working on your own, forget these partners like a bad dream. The do-it-yourself principle should rule the country!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Thrifty

Do-it-yourself principle should rule the country

So it is so, and in all industries. But you are aware that in order to reach at least an average level, decades and enormous funds are needed.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Decades and enormous funds are needed.

So the fact of the matter is that for three decades they have already squandered .. Huge funds, not in the hands of the state. We hope that private business will invest its money in production, and private business will buy yachts and castles ... there. .I diligently invested in their economy and it turns out that time is lost and there is no money ..And where can I get all this time and money?

[NDR-791]

Quote: Thrifty

it's time to start living and working on our own, to forget these partners like a bad dream.

It seems that everything is described in the article - and what needs to be done and where are the bottlenecks ... But! Even now, the author cannot subconsciously get rid of the "ghost of globalization" or, in other words, from such admiration. Here in two places, for example: About the impossibility of putting another box on KAMAZ due to the stupid lack of documentation with all the available possibilities ??? Is it crying about exports that will not be allowed without a piece of paper? Or moaning on the return to Euro-2 and the inability to fully release Euro-5. What's this? Also moaning about exports? We, as it were, in this situation, should not give a damn about all sorts of Euros and other standards from a high bell tower.

[your1970]

Quote: NDR-791

About the impossibility of putting another box on KAMAZ due to the stupid lack of documentation with all the available possibilities ??? Is it crying about exports that will not be allowed without a piece of paper?

No, this is an understanding of the fact - that if tomorrow 5-10-50 drivers die due to the failure of the box and Kamaz does not have a complete package of documentation, then the leadership of Kamaz will sit down.
And if you think that this will not happen - it will ....
When the plane with the ensemble died, relatives were paid the due compensation for the military, insurance for civilians.
Relatives were not satisfied with this and they sent an international court with claims for 21 million each. They say the flight, although a military aircraft, is foreign, and there are such payments

[parusnik]

And in 3-6 months, either the "partners" will return or the issue of replacement will be resolved.

Or will we replace some "partners" with others? ..Again, hope for the Russian, maybe, maybe, will be decided? What if you decide? Only with the decision does not dance.

[timokhin-aa]

The question is which way things will go.

[timokhin-aa]

Since April 1, the order for normal cars has been stopped, which means that it will not be possible to receive them without restrictions from May.
There are stocks, of course, there is a backlog and even equipment in warehouses, but this is not always the case.

, no one bothers to replace the Germans with the Chinese, we will produce something ourselves, Belarusians will do something.

It's just not a snap of the fingers, and the article is just about that.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: timokhin-aa

It's just not a snap of the fingers, and the article is just about that.

Kitayez conveyor to the fullest launched. Hawal in the Tula region.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: timokhin-aa

It's just not a snap of the fingers, and the article is just about that.

Kitayez conveyor to the fullest launched. Hawal in the Tula region.

All Chinese cars rot 2 times faster than Western ones. Well, except for the first three manufacturers, there may be

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Pilat2009

All Chinese cars rot 2 times faster than Western ones. Well, except for the first three manufacturers, there may be

I know. Repaired a Chinese car. The metal is bare foil, the wings are screwed on with two bolts. And at the same time, Chinese assemblers receive more than ours. They even disdain to buy cigarettes in Russia, they write out their own.

[Soldatov V.]

Thank you very interesting article. Everything is on point. Is it possible to solve the problems indicated by the author in a short time? I think it's possible. Especially in the internet age. For example, create a platform for supply and demand for spare parts and assemblies for cars. And if someone has the necessary machine park and equipment, let him enter into cooperation. This is how the Japanese industry works.
If someone has a desire and highly qualified specialists, but there is no specific equipment, then the state should help here
If you do not imitate vigorous activity as effective managers, then it is possible, and indeed necessary, to give impetus to the development of our own 100% automotive production.

[9PA]

It is not possible to quickly replace entire nodes. But we have no choice until China then has its own. But it needs to be thought about and implemented. Are we still capable of this?

[Soldatov V.]

A normal design engineer, a process engineer with a highly qualified turner and a fitter should easily reproduce the ZF gearbox. Casting the body is not such a problem. You can announce a competition with a good prize.

[Vikxnumx]

A normal design engineer, a process engineer with a highly qualified turner and a fitter should easily reproduce the ZF gearbox. Casting the body is not such a problem. You can announce a competition with a good prize. hi

It's not about the blueprints! Technology is needed. Otherwise, they would have been driving spare parts for all imports for a long time. A gear is easier to make than a piston ...

[9PA]

The same Mariupol Azovstal would be nice to keep and include in its orbit

[Soldatov V.]

I wrote that a process engineer is involved, who is taught at the institute how to do something from scratch, with what characteristics, or take drawings from a designer and come up with a diagram, a technological process for manufacturing a part or assembly, or in general, for example, an internal combustion engine. In principle, there is nothing so complicated, almost everything has been worked out, the main thing is to maintain the dimensions and cleanliness of processing in the required parameters. I say this as a process engineer for the repair and manufacture of ship machines and mechanisms with work experience. Why a turner of the 6th category and a locksmith? Highly qualified specialists, they accurately maintain the necessary parameters and experience, experience.

[Vikxnumx]

I wrote that a process engineer is involved, who is taught at the institute how to do something from scratch, with what characteristics, or take drawings from a designer and come up with a diagram, a technological process for manufacturing a part or assembly, or in general, for example, an internal combustion engine.

This is if this technology already exists! And when it is necessary to give birth, then not every institution will cope. I say this as an engineer for the repair of imported agricultural machinery and CUMMINS engines with experience in the mechanical workshop of a machine-building plant.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: V.

I wrote that a process engineer is involved, who is taught at the institute

Uh-huh, do you know what kind of fucking lizards study there? My neighbor taught mechanics at the institute.
Worth a student.
Question:
What is the threaded connection called?
The miracle is fading...
Neighbour:
- Hey, well, you never had a bicycle?
- Was ...
- How did you repair it?
- And my dad repaired it.
Zvizdets. The neighbor is in the draft, the girls are prompting the student: "Bolt! Screw! Screw, his mother is like that!"

[Soldatov V.]

The author of the article raised a very serious topic about import substitution, and for example, I don’t have time for bullshit and laughter. Recall WWII, problems with transport, the same situation may arise now, if it has not already arisen.
In principle, there are problems in all transport and in road and air and water. We need to look for people who can take responsibility for the restoration of all types of transport. We need brainstorming with the involvement of engineering, financial, economic, scientific potential.
Attract people of action, not Gobseks sitting on chests of gold in London.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: V.

and for example, I’m not up to yernichestvo and laughter.

So my laughter is bitter.

Quote: V.

Attract people of action, not Gobseks sitting on chests of gold in London.

That's it. In the meantime, "chests" are sitting, not techies.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: V.

I wrote that a process engineer is involved, who is taught at the institute how to do something from scratch, with what characteristics, or take drawings from a designer and come up with a diagram, a technological process for manufacturing a part or assembly, or in general, for example, an internal combustion engine. In principle, there is nothing so complicated, almost everything has been worked out, the main thing is to maintain the dimensions and cleanliness of processing in the required parameters. I say this as a process engineer for the repair and manufacture of ship machines and mechanisms with work experience. Why a turner of the 6th category and a locksmith? Highly qualified specialists, they accurately maintain the necessary parameters and experience, experience.

I have no doubt that they can make piece products, but for the flow you need automated lines, tools,

[Soldatov V.]

I may not have noted that they take measurements, make drawings, select materials, write a technical process, make prototypes, test and then transfer them to the enterprise for mass production. I think that boxes are not made on automated lines, there is a lot of manual adjustment.

[Vadim237]

Russia can do everything in terms of iron, rubber-plastic products, hydraulic fluids, oils, but with microelectronics, we can’t develop it, but we don’t have a school to produce anything, and we don’t have a backlog for the production of means of production in this direction of the same photolithographic equipment and in a year two four five and even ten you won't create it for years.

[911sx]

Agree. My friend manufactures parts for the rear axle and gearbox MAZ, BelAZ and YaMZ, respectively. The quality is not worse than the factory one - work in quarries is a confirmation of this. With high-quality materials (steel does not always correspond to the declared one), he could at least supply parts to the conveyor. I bought a CNC, so it is more idle - there are no norms. orders. Yes. materials science in the post-Soviet space is lame, but these are solvable issues, but the machine tool industry needs to be restored - a fact.

[Lech from Android.]

Everything, the matter is closed, everyone returned to "business as usual." But is it right?

What a childish question... war has been declared on our economy... but in war, as in war... everything that is at hand is used... I'm sure we'll get out in this situation too.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Lech from Android.

.. war has been declared on our economy.

It only remains to figure out who fought more with our economy. We ourselves or foreign adversaries ...

[Nitarius]

they want to survive .. they will find how and from what to do .. no other is given! but at the expense of the fact that the old .. not sure! a lot to this day! works and no problems!

[riwas]

In the case of the automotive industry, the withdrawal of Daimler Trucks from the market was critical. This made it impossible to continue the production of a line of KAMAZ vehicles manufactured using components from the German concern.

Russia is in the circle of enemies and can only rely on itself in the event of a critical situation, like the USSR once did. Despite Putin's calls for import substitution, no one was in any particular hurry. But the situation has changed dramatically and business will have to deal with it, willy-nilly, if it wants to survive.

[Svetovid Vatnikov]

I was especially touched by the plastic body kits for trucks, the men in the garages pour for cars, and the auto giant spreads little hands. And of course GLORY to Elmira 20%! Apparently this woman, along with Siluyanov, thought and immortals for each specific manufacturer of studs, bearings, tubes, etc. will hold meetings at an individual reduced interest rate? Can you imagine what a jump in corruption will be?
Yes, they’ve been great for twenty years preparing gas lanes through pipes to the west, inflating them from pressure, processors on the PC were burning, recoding and pumping ones and zeros of trillions of gold reserves of the Russian Federation in the same direction, and we cannot produce KorPer, although we produce nuclear submarines, fighters, etc. etc. Probably the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation, distrusting the liberal-Western economic leadership of the Russian Federation, hid from them their intentions to create a multipolar world, get up from their knees, de-dolorize the economy, etc. and conducted work on the defense industry in deep secrecy. The question is why it was hidden, and not replaced or forced to act in the interests of Russia. Yes, a question of questions. Maybe it’s really time for the leader to convene the State Defense Committee, with broad powers to manage and the Central Bank, economic and power blocs, etc. with clearly defined, and accordingly voiced publicly, goals and objectives. But, most importantly, it should be smart, professional and clean people who did not have and, most importantly, do not accept corrupt interests. Are there such people rather yes than no. Is it possible? Yes. But the will of a particular person is needed.

[your1970]

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

Yes, they’ve been great for twenty years preparing gas lanes through pipes to the west, inflating them from pressure, processors on the PC were burning, recoding and pumping ones and zeros of trillions of gold reserves of the Russian Federation in the same direction, and we cannot produce KorPer, although we produce nuclear submarines, fighters, etc. d.

And before that - another 30 years of gas through pipes in Germany ...
And the USSR - just like the Russian Federation now - did not know how to make normal cars, although it knew how to make chic nuclear submarines and fighters ...

[Svetovid Vatnikov]

Quote: your1970

And the USSR - just like the Russian Federation now - did not know how to make normal cars, although it knew how to make chic nuclear submarines and fighters ...

That's right, only in the USSR they knew how to make trucks and in sufficient quantities and did not whine that there was no "this, that, fifth, tenth" and that's it. And civil aviation had its own. Stop spitting in the USSR. The USSR was on the world map for 68 years, the Russian Federation for 32 years, and if we compare who has achieved what, it will clearly not be in favor of the Russian Federation.

[your1970]

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

only in the USSR they knew how to make trucks and in sufficient quantities and did not whine that there was no "this, this, fifth, tenth"

Of course they knew how ... who argues ..
For example, they did Zila 157 - on which the steering wheel had to be held with a certain grip. Otherwise, the fingers were knocked out by the steering wheel ...
But the funniest thing is on him WAS(!!!) hydraulic booster. Only they didn’t install it from the factory - why did he drive and spoil the soldier ????
They did everything - it will come down and so ...
Or the heater valve on the VAZ2106 - which has been running for 40 (!!!!) years of production of the car .. even in the recommendations they wrote they say "open at the beginning of the season and close at the end"
Nuclear submarine or civil aircraft - easy, heater tap - hyper duper complexity that the USSR could not
Grandfather - a war invalid - stood in a preferential (!!!) -3 summer - queue for a car. He wanted a green Muscovite, his father wanted a white Niva.
They drove ..... orange VAZ2102 ...
"If you don't want it, don't take it ..." and wait another 3 years. These were the rules in the USSR ..
Or Chinese sneakers on coupons for handed over 100 kg of butter. We needed 45 sizes - they brought 43.
3 months changed in neighboring areas with the same "lucky ones"
Six months of humiliation from communicating with "Tuvaraved" and Chinese sneakers - which now cost 2000 - are finally ours ...

And yet - despite all the achievements - no one stood up for the USSR. Actually, no one ... No one shot himself out of shame, no one led his regiment to the defense, no one led the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha to the back against the wall ...
Everyone didn't care...

[Svetovid Vatnikov]

Quote: your1970

Of course they knew how ... who argues ..
For example, they did Zila 157 - on which the steering wheel had to be held with a certain grip. Otherwise, the fingers were knocked out by the steering wheel ...
But the funniest thing is that there WAS (!!!) a hydraulic booster on it. Only they didn’t install it from the factory - why did he drive and spoil the soldier ????

Well, yes, just like that in 91, the entire Soviet army and the civilian sector were on zil 157.

Quote: your1970

Or the heater valve on the VAZ2106 - which has been running for 40 (!!!!) years of production of the car .. even in the recommendations they wrote they say "open at the beginning of the season and close at the end"
Nuclear submarine or civil aircraft - easy, heater tap - hyper duper complexity that the USSR could not

Thank God you lived to capitalism with a human face, all in the name of man, all for the good of man, enjoy a non-leaking heater. Only apparently the concept of competition does not tell you anything, affecting the range and quality of products. Reflect, correlate the political and economic situation of my country at the end of the last century and at present with the provision of consumer goods. And so a hint: if your fabulous world of globalization wins, purely hypothetically, you will if you remain alive and creditworthy, but still with the same current heater tap.

[your1970]

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

Thank God you lived to capitalism with a human face,

That is, when in 1987 in Moscow in Molochny near Profsoyuznaya metro station, in response to a request, the saleswoman threw a ladle of sour cream in the face of a war veteran (with order blocks) - it was socialism with a human face? The whole queue - about 20 people - was silent in unison, turning their faces away ... arguing with the seller in the USSR was more expensive for themselves ...
Yes???
Or when they lied "No one is forgotten .." - and in the Kursk region, not far from the village, when plowing, the skulls were plowed out. Conscientious tractor drivers piled them on the boundary, and the rest plowed further.
The military commissar knew, the chairman knew, everyone was familiar with Feng Shui ...
On that field of ours, the Germans laid a lot - along the border there was a strip of skulls ...
Who remembered them - under socialism with a human face?
When was it possible to remove a company / battalion from painting grass and leaves and at least collect those skulls and bury them humanly?

Zy it was the only drive to the police in my life - for a fight in Dairy.

[Svetovid Vatnikov]

You got it mixed up, I'm not a defender of that private or systemic rubbish that happened in my country to one degree or another, a mistake. Such a Mr. can be scraped together about any country and any socio-political system, so I will not be in defiance of any "compromising evidence" about a more modern period, again, my country. It's pointless. The meaning, the rotten meaning, manifests itself in the deeds of those who collect dirt and spit on the past of my country, unwinding the manifestations of human weakness in private actions, the act of a scoundrel to the national level and a historical sentence to millions of honest people and the Greatest country that has ever existed on planet Earth. All this already happened not so long ago, and it didn’t lead to anything good, but there are those who didn’t understand this, but really decided that the Russian Federation is the fruit of the democratic impulse of the population.

[Svetovid Vatnikov]

We add. Okay.

Quote: your1970

Grandfather - a war invalid - stood in a preferential (!!!) -3 summer - queue for a car. He wanted a green Muscovite, his father wanted a white Niva.
They drove ..... orange VAZ2102 ...
"If you don't want it, don't take it ..." and wait another 3 years. These were the rules in the USSR ..
Or Chinese sneakers on coupons for handed over 100 kg of butter. We needed 45 sizes - they brought 43.
3 months changed in neighboring areas with the same "lucky ones"
Six months of humiliation from communicating with "Tuvaraved" and Chinese sneakers - which now cost 2000 - are finally ours ...

About the barefoot and hungry childhood, because all the butter was spent on sneakers (one constant for both times they are cross-country, Chinese), I'm not interested. A little lower it was suggested to think a little, but apparently children's insults do not give rest, after neither 40 nor 50 years.

Quote: your1970

And yet - despite all the achievements - no one stood up for the USSR. Actually, no one ... No one shot himself out of shame, no one led his regiment to the defense, no one led the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha to the back against the wall ...
Everyone didn't care...

You are poorly informed, you were shooting. Yes, such a ruling bydloelita was formed in our country by the end of the 80s, and such is the level of mutual trust between the people and these elites, i.e. they had, what they had, that from among them, these very elites, no one, relying on the result of the all-Union referendum on the USSR, 76,4% of those who voted for its preservation, did not find the courage to prevent its collapse. the elite despised their people and did not trust them, because they no longer lived only in dreams of Chinese sneakers, but the people hated this elite and did not trust it either. And those of the elites who could do this did not have the necessary authority, power, level of organization, etc. Or maybe you believe that the Bandera Maidan in Koklandia for 14 years is an impulse of the masses and it was not necessary to have organizations, power over the masses and their leaders were directly torn out of the people? Regarding the shooting of three pigs, but something gives up and, as I remember, the president of the country, a certain Gorbachev, was not able to do this, because. most likely was in the same deck with this caudle.
The collapse of the USSR is a tragedy of its people and the most disgusting page of our elites, where they behaved below the plinth in a provincial pigsty. That is why now the support of Putin from the people is so high, he did not merge and merge the country as the Soviet party nomenklatura did. Although the current elite has not grown to the level of the national one, and you will not hear much good words about it from ordinary people.
In custody. Being forced to repeat childish insults with sneakers and half-eaten butter is not a reason to shit on the historical past of your country, well, if it is such for you at all. If you want to continue the memories of what you didn’t eat up and didn’t wipe, if you please, without me, I’m not interested, the smell of someone else’s from you.

[your1970]

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

You are poorly informed, shoot yourself

Can you name at least a dozen surnames? Otherwise, for 7 years of service in the army, I haven’t heard about a single general or colonel - “they say they didn’t want to swear again out of grief ...”
Not about one...

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

the elite despised their people and did not trust them, because they no longer lived only in dreams of Chinese sneakers, but the people despised this elite and also did not trust her.

16 million communists + Komsomol ....

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

Forced to repeat childish insults with sneakers and half-eaten butter, this is not a reason to shit on the historical past of your country,

In my opinion - they didn’t even crap - they crap it too affectionately - all those party and military functionaries (as well as tractor drivers) who were just above the knee on those skulls on the boundary ...
For 30 years after the war, not a single one bothered about that field - "well, they died and died, why not fulfill the sowing plan now?"

and with sneakers, it’s just that mom wanted to give her son a gift for graduation ... instead, she had to walk around the offices and humiliate, humiliate, humiliate ...
First hand over 100 kg of oil, get a coupon, and then buy back what they bring, then change them in search of the right ones

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

from you the smell of someone else.

And from you it reeks like dead meat of the CPSU. Everything about the country as a whole and do not care about the people living in it.
Grandfather (from May training camp until the winter of 1943 - when he was blown up by a mine - artillery reconnaissance) in 1985 was given the Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree and a neighbor who spent the whole war in the commandant's office in Samara - too .. Grandfather recognized and never put on his own - a block with He wore his own, but he never wore this one.
And then people like you are surprised - whose awards have depreciated? And the military commissar could say to an Afghan with a short circuit - "But I didn't send you there !!"
You yourself write about it ...

Quote: Svetovid Vatnikov

the elite despised their people and did not trust them, because they no longer lived only in dreams of Chinese sneakers, but the people despised this elite and also did not trust her

[Alexander Shilov_3]

Again liberoid: - "Sentry !!!!! Everything is gone !!!" How tired of all of them. First, in the 90s, the entire industry was turned into dust, and now the snot is being smeared.

[timokhin-aa]

Well, go to the Aftershock with patriotic ponytails, jump together, everything is always good and right there.

[sergo1914]

Timokhin and trucks? Unexpected. But this is power. We are waiting for Klimov's article about housing and communal services.

[surok1]

Europeans can introduce Euro-know-it-knowscoka norms and not let our trucks in. And planes. Moreover, they will lie that everything is normal for them, but it doesn’t correspond to ours, they don’t give a damn about objectivity. They have been using the WTO for a long time in one gate. Like "what are you going to do?" We were banned from seed production. And now let's go to x-y-j. Even if Putin wants the opposite, you can't push pasta into a tube.

[werk326]

All this has long been known and what the political situation in the world is heading towards. So there is no need to wring your hands and say the Germans bastards took away the box when it was still said about import substitution, especially since the use of foreign components for army trucks was not initially allowed, and there are already questions for the military. acceptance. We survived, we can’t do the box, we can’t do it, put it from the moon rover, let Rogozin do it for you.

[Chikua]

KAMAZ at 37% APR!? New realities and about spare parts!

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Mdaa ... like in a fairy tale by A.S. Pushkin "About the fisherman and the fish":
.... returned to the old woman -
Look: again, before him is a dugout;
On the threshold sits his old woman,
And before her a broken trough.

[ALARI]

But it’s interesting that the Germans, introducing sanctions, didn’t give a damn about contracts? Why are we giving them gas then? Turn off and negotiate on new conditions, we will give you gas, you boxes, and according to the list. I don’t understand what our people in the government are counting on when they are carried around the table like that with their faces.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: ALARI

But it’s interesting that the Germans, introducing sanctions, didn’t give a damn about contracts? Why are we giving them gas then? Turn off and negotiate on new conditions, we will give you gas, you boxes, and according to the list. I don’t understand what our people in the government are counting on when they are carried around the table like that with their faces.

And there are no sanctions on gas yet. And in the near future this is the only source of currency along with oil

[Vikxnumx]

Cars with a carrying capacity of 20 and 25 tons!
The author, and under what axle load is the main part of the roads of the Russian Federation designed? And what these herds of trucks turn them into. It is necessary to force Russian Railways to work on the principle of "the spirit of carrots" and reduce prices!
This drive-up in rail freight prices has driven herds of trucks onto the roads.

[timokhin-aa]

It is necessary to build normal roads, in the same Iran and Pakistan they immediately build them in such a way that they can carry trailers with 11 tons per axle, and no stakes roll there.
As a result, 50 cubic meters of fuel per trip or 50 tons of cargo is the norm.
In the third world!

[Vikxnumx]

Roads need to be built

We in the city during the repair of the avenue "United Russia" promised ten years of maintenance-free operation of the coating ...
Well, it took a couple of years! And you are for the whole of Russia!

[Vikxnumx]

As a result, 50 cubic meters of fuel per trip or 50 tons of cargo is the norm.
In the third world!

Until recently, our "hamsters" (grain carriers) carried 60 ... 65 tons each! Himself fucked up with such a download! KAMAZ with CUMMINS! The engine was laid down for the season ...

[timokhin-aa]

This is an abnormal load, where the frame dies, and bridges and everything

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, in terms of natural climatic conditions and soil characteristics, Russia is not Iran or Pakistan, with the construction of high-quality roads, everything is much more complicated and, as a result, more expensive.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: VIK1711

Cars with a carrying capacity of 20 and 25 tons!
The author, and under what axle load is the main part of the roads of the Russian Federation designed?

Actually, according to the regulations of the Russian Federation - 25 tons, for a 3-axle vehicle - it is allowed!

[Vikxnumx]

Actually, according to the regulations of the Russian Federation - 25 tons, for a 3-axle vehicle - it is allowed!

Want to add weight to your car?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: VIK1711

Actually, according to the regulations of the Russian Federation - 25 tons, for a 3-axle vehicle - it is allowed!

Want to add weight to your car?

Wow what are you talking about...
I don't pay attention to these little things.
For the eye already works only on a loaded car, and not on a separate load.
There is no non-load on the axle of a laden/ballast machine in the regulations.
There is simply a maximum axle load.
If without special permissions.

[Vikxnumx]

There is a whole GOST. And trucks get out of it easily. And the quality of road construction ... is lame on both legs. For there, issues are resolved with money ....

[infantrefir]

Sooner or later, the West would show its fangs anyway. Well, they can't do it any other way. The only way out is self-sufficiency.

[KSVK]

Good article, author!
With trucks, the issue is resolved, it seems.
But I would love to hear what we have with passenger transport. What is interesting about Moscow going to work in a couple of years of sanctions? That's where the sadness is. And it's not just buses. And trams and trains and metro. I didn’t delve into electric transport, but in the same KamAZ-on NefAZ, only our body and rubber. Everything else is an import. In LiAZ, there is also a Yaroslavl engine. And LiAZs are being withdrawn now.

[Alf]

Quote: KSVK

What is interesting for Moscow to go to work in a couple of years of sanctions?

What couple of years? Already started..

[timokhin-aa]

It's true. Already overhauled automatic transmissions were allowed to be installed on new buses, as far as I know.

[KSVK]

Quote: V.

A normal design engineer, a process engineer with a highly qualified turner and a fitter should easily reproduce the ZF gearbox. Casting the body is not such a problem. You can announce a competition with a good prize.

As operating experience shows, it’s impossible to copy, even reconfigure the gearbox from Cummins to YaMZ. Boxes are flying fast, and you say copy ...

[Vikxnumx]

Competitors somehow changed on a Buhler Versatile 2425 Cummins N14 tractor for a Tutaevsky diesel 420 hp. ... Three engines lay down! One tightly, two - for the "capital" ... And the Rostselmash plant continues to install the M11 and there are no problems with it. In this configuration, the 2375 tractor is produced for 30 - 35 years ...

[timokhin-aa]

Well, more from now on please

[Vikxnumx]

The nee tractor was New Holland. A line of tractors with engines of 260, 335, 375, 425 hp was produced. Then the US anti-monopolists forced New Holland to sell the plant to protect the market from monopolists. The tractor changed its name to Buhler Versatile and reduced the line - 2335, 2375 and 2425. Then 2425 was removed from this line. The CUMMINS N14 engine still runs on trucks without problems. On a tractor, the mode of operation is more intense, and the engine could not withstand such mockery. Remained tractors with CUMMINS QSM11. In this form, grandfather Buhler sold the plant to RSM. But in the Russian Federation they managed to bring in a decent bunch of model 2425 before that. And then problems began with spare parts - the tractor and automobile versions are different ... And as a result, the idea of ​​​​remoting tractors arose. Two solutions appeared: CUMMINS QSM11 or TMZ-8481 in 420 hp.
As practice has shown, QSM11 takes root better ....

[Togilen]

And here are the prospects for light class cars with a ZF gearbox and the entire heavy class (there is no replacement for the German checkpoint yet)

Author, what the hell are you talking about? At YaMZ, under the existing line of all its engines, gearboxes 1901/2391 were created and launched into the series - with input torque up to 2100 N * m (for SKSh BAZ gearbox 2394/2393 together with TMZ). KAMAZ checkpoint 161 will not launch technical equipment and equipment for scrap long ago, the same can be said about checkpoint TMZ 14.180 for example. At the moment, TMZ can produce the ancient YaMZ-2381 (-300) (input moment 1275N * m). The YaMZ-202 box was sent to Minsk a long time ago (the issue was mastered by the MZKT), which is now not in the know with it.
So stop "yelling right away" and run to Fast Gear (which is licensed by Eaton-Fuller). All power characteristics of any V8 (except TMZ-880) are closed by YaMZ,

We go further. Who and why decided that there would be no KAMAZ-6520 car. I remind you that the engines for the 6520/6350 KamAZ-740.50/52 were available without any electronics back in the mid-90s (they were simply not mass-produced), in addition, put on army cars engines Euro-5 utter nonsense! E-2 engines were installed on 6520 until 2009 !!!!
Bridges 6520 are on 65225, 6560 - NO problems.
Here it remains only to agree with KAMAZ with YaMZ, or at the extreme with MAZ on the supply of manual transmissions.
The issue is closed and I see no reason to panic. And why not breed it like cretins did with sugar, shot themselves in the foot and gave the manufacturer and traders the opportunity to raise prices (I hope the relevant FAS services, the prosecutor's office will work quickly).
PS
For a very long time, you can buy kits to reduce the "Euro" rating of engines.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Togilen

Author, what the hell are you talking about?

Urya-urya!
Here's my auto repair shop.

[Vadim237]

Now there is a lot of cargo services and repair of construction equipment across the country - your plant has long been irrelevant.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

your plant is no longer relevant.

But how. Irrelevant, mln. Hey, Vadik, do you provide your workers with huts for 80 square meters? And we were issued.

[Vadim237]

All of mine have been provided with housing for a long time - they earned and bought what they wanted and where they wanted now everything individually, everyone decides for himself, and yes, the fact that in the USSR all these factories built housing and other things did not belong to the workers, but to the state, it built all this by taking part of the workers’ wages for for a month, workers could earn 500 and 700 and 1000, but they were given 150 - 200 in their hands, everything else went to the construction of all of the above in the country.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

earn and buy what you want and where you want

How? You sound, comrade.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

in the USSR, all these factories built housing and other things did not belong to the workers, but to the state it built all this by taking away part of the workers’ wages per month, the workers could earn 500 and 700 and 1000, but they were given 150 200 - 300 in their hands, everything else went to construction all of the above in the country.

Marama you, Vadik. If I say that we were given a hut with a pink toilet and a similar bathroom, would you believe it? And the construction team pasted the wallpaper for us. The plant built, not the state. So keep your mouth shut, you fucking millionaire. What did you build for the hard workers yourself?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vadim237

All of mine have been provided with housing for a long time - they earned and bought what they wanted and where they wanted now everything individually, everyone decides for himself, and yes, the fact that in the USSR all these factories built housing and other things did not belong to the workers, but to the state, it built all this by taking part of the workers’ wages for for a month, workers could earn 500 and 700 and 1000, but they were given 150 - 200 in their hands, everything else went to the construction of all of the above in the country.

But due to what the worker worked out for 700 rubles? Does he have four hands? It’s clearly a matter of production standards and violation of the technical process. A delegation from Uralmash came to America and at some plant ours decided to compete with an American turner. I turned the part one and a half times faster. The master praised him and sent the part to the trash. At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

What are these, for example, "properties"?

Quote: Pilat2009

The master praised him and sent the part to the trash

Lies...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

What are these, for example, "properties"?

Quote: Pilat2009

The master praised him and sent the part to the trash

Lies...

You probably don’t know why processing modes exist. Therefore, their engines go up to a capital of 500 thousand, and ours are 150-200

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

You probably don’t know why processing modes exist. Therefore, their engines go up to a capital of 500 thousand, and ours are 150-200

Cool. That is, "their engines run" so much thereforethat "I probably don't know" ... Funny hypothesis

Now answer the previous question: which ones "metal properties", In your, change so dramatically as turning speeds up?

And this is so you don't accidentally forget what I'm talking about:

Quote: Pilat2009

turned the part one and a half times faster. The master praised him and sent the part to the trash. At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

Come on, prove yourself already ... specialist

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

You probably don’t know why processing modes exist. Therefore, their engines go up to a capital of 500 thousand, and ours are 150-200

Cool. That is, "their engines run" so much thereforethat "I probably don't know" ... Funny hypothesis

Now answer the previous question: which ones "metal properties", In your, change so dramatically as turning speeds up?

And this is so you don't accidentally forget what I'm talking about:

Quote: Pilat2009

turned the part one and a half times faster. The master praised him and sent the part to the trash. At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

Come on, prove yourself already ... specialist

First, you tell us why there are processing modes, or is it just that?

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

First you tell

What would that be? Questions - in the order of receipt. You said:

Quote: Pilat2009

At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

I specified: which ones properties?

It's your turn, please... but I warn you - you've got it because I understand the topic quite well. Unlike some, uh, young and zealous

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

First you tell

What would that be? Questions - in the order of receipt. You said:

Quote: Pilat2009

At an increased processing speed, the metal loses its properties

I specified: which ones properties?

It's your turn, please... but I warn you - you've got it because I understand the topic quite well. Unlike some, uh, young and zealous

Not much, for I have no intention of lecturing the deniers:
Using a Versa 3D electron microscope, it was possible to visually observe and compare the deformation zones under the machined surface at various cutting speeds during turning.
As a result of visual analysis of images (Figures 2-4) of the deformation zones of steel 14X17H2 under the machined surface at various cutting speeds during turning, the following conclusions can be drawn.

First. For these processing modes (t = 1 mm, S = 0,11 mm/rev) and three values ​​of cutting speed, different depths of the deformation zone are visible. At a cutting speed of 10 m/min (Fig. 2) it is 4,22 µm, at a cutting speed of 30 m/min () its value is 2,741 µm, at a cutting speed of 40 m/min - 3,186 µm (Fig. 4).

Second. The values ​​of the depth of the deformation zone of steel under the machined surface, measured in the same section, repeat the nature of the change in the value of the surface roughness of the part (see "How the cutting speed of a lathe affects the surface roughness of the part", Fig. 2.) on the cutting speed.
In turn, the depth of the deformation zone under the machined surface at different cutting speeds is a consequence of the impact of different levels of normal and shear stresses.

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

I don't intend to lecture

You are incapable of this. Your copy-paste does not answer my question. Again:

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

With increased processing speed metal loses its properties

What exactly are the properties?

Be careful and you'll be fine. Maybe

Hint: the properties of a metal are, for example, electrical conductivity, hardness, density ... metallic luster, finally

So which of these properties does the metal "lose" when turning is accelerated?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

I don't intend to lecture

You are incapable of this. Your copy-paste does not answer my question. Again:

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

With increased processing speed metal loses its properties

What exactly are the properties?

Be careful and you'll be fine. Maybe

Hint: the properties of a metal are, for example, electrical conductivity, hardness, density ... metallic luster, finally

So which of these properties does the metal "lose" when turning is accelerated?

If you are trying to get away from the topic, you succeed. Keep up the good work. The metal structure does not deform, the part can be safely put into the Soyuz rocket.

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

The structure of the metal is not deformed

Well, why are you talking about the structure so much

Quote: Pilat2009

the part can be safely put in the Soyuz rocket

Clear. For lack of arguments - nonsense went.

And now - the correct answer: the desired properties (including the structure, within known limits) of the details are achieved, in particular, heat treatment. Heat treatment is performed after machining the part.

And deep from the bell tower, with what speed this detail was turned. That's the way. Chatterbox

[Konnick]

Commendable.
But this does not play a special role in the resource and quality. This is how they tried to introduce a 12-jaw chuck for processing brake drums at GAZ, such as increasing manufacturing accuracy, unlike a standard three-jaw chuck.
But for the box, the accuracy of manufacturing gears is important. Our boxes are buzzing ... they never introduced gear rolling.

[timokhin-aa]

At YaMZ, under the existing line of all its engines, gearboxes 1901/2391 were created and launched into the series - with input torque up to 2100N * m (for SKSh BAZ gearbox 2394/2393 together with TMZ)

1800 is enough. And the article says about it, you just need to read to the end and not jump at the first unpleasant moment

From the article:

And now the most important thing is that the government, which is limitedly able to influence KAMAZ through Rostec, must force PJSC KAMAZ and the GAZ group to cooperate. What for? Well, for example, then, if the launch of a 14-speed gearbox in Tutaev or the 161st gearbox in Chelny turns out to be impossible within a reasonable time, then the production of a nine-speed gearbox, capable of transmitting the torque of any of the KAMAZ engines, is quite established in Yaroslavl, minimal modifications are needed to “splice” the Yaroslavl gearboxes with KAMAZ. Yes, from a technical point of view, the solution is so-so, but it allows you to restart the production of heavy machines very quickly..

It is seen?

KAMAZ checkpoint 161 will not launch technical equipment and equipment for scrap long ago, the same can be said about checkpoint TMZ 14.180 for example.

There is documentation, samples can be found, so you can try to restart. It’s just that this time, but you can temporarily block YaMZ-239, which is written in the article.

So stop "yelling right away" and run to Fast Gear (which is licensed by Eaton-Fuller). All power characteristics of any V8 (except TMZ-880) are closed by YaMZ,

Stop hitting the buttons before the brain mastered what was read

We go further. Who and why decided that there would be no KAMAZ-6520 car.

KAMAZ decided. Do you have connections at KAMAZ? Call and find out about ordering new 6520 from 01.04.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX

I remind you that engines for 6520/6350 KamAZ-740.50/52 were available without any electronics back in the mid-90s (they were simply not mass-produced)

Need 740.35

besides, putting Euro-5 engines on military vehicles is utter nonsense!

And who offers? Euro-5 for civilian vehicles, the military only needs to replace the checkpoint, instead of ZF, find another one.
Here, in principle, the 239th would apparently have gone to them, but here again everything rests on forcing Rostec to cooperate. that someone has to do.

And why not breed it like cretins did with sugar, shot themselves in the foot and gave the manufacturer and traders the opportunity to raise prices (I hope the relevant FAS services, the prosecutor's office will work quickly).

Take a sedative already.

PS
For a very long time, you can buy kits to reduce the "Euro" rating of engines.

350 pieces with work, needs some machining of mounting surfaces on the block.
You have to be more modest, citizen.
You are not the only one here.

[Togilen]

The right question must be asked. And why was this not done for 8 years of the so-called "import substitution"? Or maybe we will immediately cover the entire line of power of GDP (and Medvedev) at 23 years old?
Where the hell did everything suddenly go and we flew off to the mid-90s?

[Vadim237]

Our main problem now is microelectronics, all iron, engines, gearboxes, transfer case bridges, all kinds of ceramic-metal and rubber seals, friction discs, hydraulic blocks, etc., we can make them ourselves, but control units, sensors, without a foreign component base are not.

[kimdmitri]

Well, at least the situation with trucks is better than with planes.

[Vadim237]

With aircraft, the situation is even better than its parts and assemblies Superjet Neo MS 21 310 and IL 114 300 will be more than 97% and we can produce IL 96 400M and it is completely domestic for flights at a distance of 9000 kilometers is enough - and for flights over 15000 you will have to wait jointly with the Chinese wide-body but it needs PD 35 work on it, most likely the same will be sharply accelerated so that by 2025 it would already be under the wing and on certification.

[Dedok]

Lots of letters...
In 30 years, we have lost a lot of what we could.
To say that we will return to box 15 and its modifications is somehow dumb: to also talk about engines, not only do they need to be "learned" to do again - remember the saying that "you cannot enter the same river twice?" , so the engine will not work without TA ... as young people now like to say in such cases, "competencies" have been lost.
In general, the picture is not very optimistic, and the above analysis is simplified, superficial.
50 years ago when we perfected it - we grew up when the engine block stopped bursting - we felt almost a victory! and now we have to go back there, again.

[Vadim237]

For Aurus, a 9-speed automatic transmission was made, and the engine for Kamaz R6 x is 80% domestic - there will be no problems with iron, rubber, and plastics. But on microelectronics will be.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vadim237

For Aurus, a 9-speed automatic transmission was made, and the engine for Kamaz R6 x is 80% domestic - there will be no problems with iron, rubber, and plastics. But on microelectronics will be.

Therefore, Aurus costs like 3 Mercedes.

[Togilen]

Go to the YaMZ website, they STILL produce ICE with E-2 and even E-0 by order

[KSVK]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Well, more from now on please

On LiAZ 5292 is our YaMZ 53633, on NefAZ Cummins. YaMZ is more powerful and "momentary". Box on both ZFs. But the gearbox control program for each engine has its own. And to replace the program, specialists from ZF are always invited. We can't reconfigure. Any unauthorized interventions in the software of the unit led to its rapid failure. Yes, and integral axles with air suspension, both front and rear, also produced by ZF on both. As well as on electric buses. So it goes.

[timokhin-aa]

Clearly, the bus theme. Well, yes, it's quite possible.

[ycuce234-san]

At the same time, KAMAZ has such an option as the production of modern models, but with engines without electronics.

Foreign markets of third countries can now be entered using the semiconductor crisis. This semiconductor crisis is still for many years and it is possible to have time to establish sales in Africa and Latin America.

[Knell wardenheart]

Thanks for the interesting article!
I do not consider it reasonable to deepen our dependence on China even in this. This addiction is superfluous and goes to an unpleasant extreme. Those products that we are able to adjust in production - it is best for us to adjust in production. Sanctions will not end tomorrow - most likely it will be for years.

[APASUS]

Our business is striving for quick money, it is not interested in investing in R&D. That's why we fly into space, but we don't make an automatic gearbox for a truck

[Togilen]

Automatic boxes A - stopped R&D stools, B - stopped KAMAZ and Rostec when they crushed TMZ.

[Zaurbek]

Business is different - it will go bankrupt ..... and the State must create conditions for the necessary projects. And it saved up 600 billion dollars in a jug ... out of which 300 were arrested.
By the way, there is a KAMAZ K5 assembly in Uzbekistan .. maybe expand it?

[Alexfly]

And how many annual budgets were taken out by the oligarchy? Denyushki should spin inside the country ..

[timokhin-aa]

Right now, the time is not peaceful, the state must and can show will in this matter

[Zaurbek]

Shells can be put on MAZ ..... there is an 8x8 version. and to Baz...

[timokhin-aa]

At BAZ, yes, but MAZs are past here.
But the fact is that Rostec will not give this glade to anyone, KAMAZ crawled through like a cancerous tumor wherever possible, and in some cases it will be very difficult to replace its chassis with others, Pantsir is just such an example.

[Zaurbek]

For export they put on MAN and the Indians on Tata ......

[Alexfly]

Here is the promised import substitution - everything was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines ...

[Scharnhorst]

The essence of the problem of import substitution arose with the collapse of the Union, while there was a single national economic complex. Now we will attract the so-called Ukraine into our orbit and maybe the bankrupt KrAZ, ZAZ and others will come in handy for something. There are not enough people and time in our country ...

[Vadim237]

In order for Ukraine and everything that has been launched and plundered to be restored there, tens of trillions of rubles need to be restored - where to get them from us now the situation with the economy is terrible and, apparently, it will be like this for another 10 years.

[Sergey Tankist]

Author! Do not cry, everything will be fine ...

[timokhin-aa]

People like you will have to cry here soon, I know about the problems and threats in advance.

[Vadim237]

And you will have to make new holes in the belt in order to tighten the belt tighter - like everyone else in Russia for many years to come.

[timokhin-aa]

But there's a big difference between "according to plan" and "suddenly realizing," isn't there?

[lis-ik]

How many people here used up when I wrote that only a nameplate on the cab is from KAMAZ.

[Div Divich]

Why so immediately. They have factories. Process change takes time and money. If they do not find a replacement, and cannot make a copy, then they will have to return to the old developments. The best option is cooperation with other domestic manufacturers to develop the required product.

[timokhin-aa]

This was true about the Mercedes-shaped ones, but not about the rest of the models.

[acetophenone]

the iron will of the state is needed ...

If she is needed, then we're still floundering. But if subscription is required...Then, as they say, houston we have a problem...

[hector]

MAZ found itself in this situation in 2021 after the elections, when the West imposed sanctions. Mercedes also refused to supply engines and gearboxes, although they did not fully trust the "decency" of the West beforehand and built joint factories with Fast Gear and Weichai near Minsk, now MAZ has completely switched to these units.

[timokhin-aa]

ZF is also doing it, but there will be no more Mercedes-Benz engines.

[hector]

ZF is only delivered to buses, trucks are in flight

[max_everhead]

Maybe it's all for the best. Finally, this sur with trucks in the army will end. Absolutely no unification, different cabins, axles, gearboxes, engines. A bunch of car families with similar or identical characteristics, no clear strategy for the development of military automotive technology. We still can’t make an automatic gearbox, there is no normal line of engines. If your brains are no longer there, then at least you can copy the development strategy from the United States

[timokhin-aa]

The entire auto industry will have to be rebuilt. The United States succeeded because the auto industry there was initially organized differently, the units were made by some companies, the assembly of cars by others.
And we do not.
Well, how can KAMAZ and URALAZ be forced to make the same cars? No way.

[hector]

Quote: timokhin-aa

The entire auto industry will have to be rebuilt. The United States succeeded because the auto industry there was initially organized differently, the units were made by some companies, the assembly of cars by others.
And we do not.
Well, how can KAMAZ and URALAZ be forced to make the same cars? No way.

In order to force there is a system of industry standardization, you just need not be lazy and do it wisely. The same bearings, there is an international standard in electrical engineering, etc., which makes it difficult to do the same for a certain nomenclature in the army.

[Yuri Stepanov]

I would like to remind the leadership of Kamaz and others that after the war, the Tupolev Design Bureau dismantled B 29 to the last screw, put it all into drawings, transferred all dimensions from inches to mm and within 1 !!!!! One year released an exact copy of the Strategic bomber, aka Tu-4. And all this without CNC machines, without computers and other things. Further more - the Chinese bought Su 27 from us, so now they spank them in packs, they bought an aircraft carrier like our Kuzi, now they already have 3 of them. And then there are groans about some kind of checkpoint, especially since 80% of its parts are made by us. Are they not funny? What's inside nanobiotechnology? In 2015, NTV showed how ordinary self-taught locksmiths from Belgorod, it seems, in garage conditions, modernized the steering rack from Mazda 6, so that it would be eternal, but what is here? Some groans and hints of $$$$. Since we, Russia, are considered in the world to be lawless, so let's be lawless, like the Chinese, it won't get any worse anyway. Announce a competition for these gearboxes and engines, 100% there will be guys who will not only clone it, but also improve it. And then you read straight, well, it’s the end of the entire auto industry. I work in the service myself, so you will surprise me with all this know-how. How many times have they changed or completed cars with parts from other brands. And nothing, everything works.

[hector]

Absolutely right, the KAMAZ managers will probably minus.

[kig]

something else will happen with the program for the construction of arctic gas carriers at the Zvezda plant ... there is also a lot of foreign equipment and technology. We must hope that our leader has foreseen everything.

[moscowp]

That's right, many industries are now faced with this. The restructuring of production is a long and complex process. But the worst thing is where we do not produce anything and most likely will not be able to on the horizon of a decade - the production of modern microprocessors. Take care of the server comrades!

[Arkady007]

You need to make similar moves in return.
Germany needs gas, we need spare parts - barter.
It's simple.

[power max]

Russia can produce EVERYTHING (this was proved by the centuries of the existence of the state)
Only there should be the WILL of the ruler, but it is not yet visible ...

[hector]

Not only the ruler, but even more performers.

[Metlik]

We also have a domestic box from Katya on Aurus. A good technological backlog for modern automatic transmissions.

[Architect]

It's strange that ZF kobenitsya.
With the trend towards electric vehicles, they are generally superfluous on the market.
They would hold on to us, and not turn their backs like they do now.

[timokhin-aa]

the agenda

[MauZerR]

Show me a sane electric truck. Not those funny crafts with 3 tons of batteries for 300 km of travel. While ICE reigns in the cargo world, boxes are needed.

[MauZerR]

The modern civilian KamAZ K5 is: a cab based on Mercedes engineering (the frame and external panels are from the Aktros MP4 cab, except for the front mask and plastic lower belt), the engine is Liebherr engineering, its roots are generally from the MAN D28, the gearbox is the ZF Traxon robot , rear axle - Mercedes, KamAZ itself developed only the frame and front axle, although on the first K5 the front axle was Chinese. Well, in a bunch: Knorr-Bremse brakes, Grammer seats and other things ... So quickly localize the production of cars with new cabs, but it won’t work on old engines and gearboxes, and the ancient V8 won’t get up normally under the floor of the Aktros cabin, where it stands originally in-line 6-cylinder.
"Troubled times are coming Gangrene... Troubled"

[timokhin-aa]

Well, why write nonsense?

So, it will not be possible to quickly localize the production of cars with new cabs, but it will not work on old engines and gearboxes, and the ancient V8 will not normally stand under the floor of the Aktros cabin, where the originally in-line 6-cylinder is located.

https://kamaz.ru/production/serial/samosvaly/kamaz-6520-21010-43/
bestseller a couple of years ago.

And there were four axles.
Everything falls into place.
The rear axle on the tractor is ready from Han De, the cabin is already being produced in the country, the gearbox can be immediately inserted into the Fast Gear mechanics, you can wait for 14 mortars, then 161
The rest is China with creeping localization here.
Everything can be done if you do it.

[MauZerR]

Write to Igor Valeev at KamAZ (deputy chief engineer responsible for K5). If only everything was as simple as yours. Go to KamAZ to work if you know everything and know how.

[timokhin-aa]

This is why they are on their way, and therefore they promise that the K5 will be produced again in the foreseeable future.
Another thing is that these machines and small things are not localized, and now for literally every position it is necessary to first find a replacement, then rework the project, issue documentation for production, sign contracts with suppliers, all this in the conditions of sanctions and a more expensive currency.

Hence the time.

I personally believe that KAMAZ will restart its K5s, it just won't be fast.
Here they would somehow quickly return ordinary cars to production ...

[MauZerR]

K5 is localized for small things, it has a foreign engine, rear axle and gearbox. The engine is assembled from us, but from imported components, the rear axle Mercedes supplied as an assembly, it is the same with Aktros and K4. The front axle already has its own, it just started to be installed in the fall. Gearbox - ZF Traxon comes assembled (came...). I also believe in KamAZ, but all this time and considerable efforts to change production lines, equipment and supply logistics. We'll see, but the plant in Wörth also stood up, there was nothing to produce Actros, pieces of iron from KamAZ went there too.

[timokhin-aa]

Mercedes supplied the rear axle as an assembly, it is the same with Aktros and K4.

Last year they started betting on Han De, and on 5490 and 65206 too.

[MauZerR]

We need to produce our own bridges and engines, and robot boxes, and electronics. Otherwise, all this euro-"lohalization" with Mercedes will come out sideways. China will close itself from the world and will not notice, but alas, we cannot do this yet ...

[timokhin-aa]

it is clear what is needed.
But as I understood from Manturov's recent speech, the priority is to replace some foreign suppliers with others.
Apparently, with a delay of five years, URALAZ will start production. I'm not sure about KAMAZ

[MauZerR]

KamAZ said that the K5 cabin will be localized by January next year and its production will be resumed. K4 (5490) is planned to be discontinued this year. As long as there are warehouses, K4 and K5 will be assembled until about the end of May this year. In any case, Daimler is constrained, because. he cannot leave the joint venture with KamAZ, for this he needs permission from the government of the Russian Federation, especially the main shareholder - Rostec, he will actively block any attempts by the Germans to leave. The Germans have taken a wait-and-see attitude, too much has been invested and at stake, including integration with the Wörth plant, where Actros are assembled.

[timokhin-aa]

K4 (5490) is planned to be discontinued this year. As long as there are warehouses, K4 and K5 will be assembled until about the end of May this year.

There will be no orders from April 1, I wrote. Now, from the received backlog, they will collect what they can and that's it.

[MauZerR]

That's right, there will be enough spare parts to collect current orders In the warehouses of the kit until about the end of May. Next, we'll see.

[timokhin-aa]

Are you from KAMAZ yourself?

[MauZerR]

No. But I spoke with the deputy chief engineer Igor Valeev.

[timokhin-aa]

And now in contact with him?

[MauZerR]

Alas, not yet. Now Igor is trying not to give unnecessary comments, he still has corporate obligations.

[Megatron]

Cancel patents, permits, ecology. So let's break through!!

[timokhin-aa]

Already.
Result - Euro-2 on the conveyor

[Evil eye]

Hello, Alexander!

You write, you need to look to the future. Why not look even further - beyond the limits of motoring as such? For example, trunk transportation hang on trains. After all, other things being equal, even with zero corruption, we still have a climate that is not Iranian, and any road will be more expensive, and the return on it will be worse than there. But the piece of iron is salvation.

Or, if there are problems with gearboxes, take a closer look at the electromechanical transmission.

[kneeval]

many beeches. in India, about 10 years ago, they made a passenger car - an engine, a box and dimensions and a price for it was $ 1000, they sold it out. Let's go this way

[DienBienPhu]

As long as we can't produce ourselves, use a Chinese engine and transmission, that's very good and not a problem.

[Vladimir Michailovich]

An interesting article by the author on a topical topic, only here:
1. For some reason, Russian workers and engineers are remembered when foreign partners throw.
2. YaMZ -5,6 and possibly the 7th family contain from 40 to 90% of imported units.
3. The Tutaev Motor Plant is being consistently destroyed by the leadership of Rostec, headed by Chemezov, in the interests of Western capital, in particular Liebherr and Daimler Benz. Most of the other officials and oligarchs are doing the same - Deripaska, Kakogin, Manturov.
Hence the conclusion:
-Nationalization of all automobile enterprises is necessary.
- a complete ban on the use of foreign components and assemblies, patents and know-how, environmental standards and so on.
-reduction of the tax burden for manufacturing enterprises - VAT zeroing.
- the introduction of protective duties on all foreign trucks, including here and MAZ. (De facto fallen under the control of Chinese capital.

[Electrical]

This is the expected failure of the state's liberal policy! Only a fool or a provocateur can think that everyone around him is friends and brothers! So, yes, there are a lot of questions, both about economics and politics! It is especially unclear what is happening with the course of the state and the property of its power, as well as with them? Somehow the necessary special operation does not fit in with palaces and yachts. Yes, they are fascists and this is undeniable! But why are Russian capitalists robbing the people of Russia better, and how much?

[Eug]

I think that the state is capable of buying out significant stakes in automobile industry enterprises (if this has not already been done) and pursuing a technical policy taking into account all the factors listed in the article and many more. And this needs to be done in many areas of production.

[73bor]

The author is not aware that the ruble has been strengthening for months now, has become detached from life or something!? Although I have no illusions about our automobile industry, work is underway, it is not possible to produce everything ourselves, we were built into this gigantic cooperation from which we were thrown out, a gearbox can be made, a cabin, bridges, and gas and oil if you have it no never .

[Dedok]

The article is correct, in general, but the questions need to be posed more harshly: we cannot do anything ourselves/we have forgotten how and now we need to restore the skills and abilities we have lost; Over the past period of time, since 2007 (Munich Conference), we had to carry out a program to “bring up” our suppliers to the modern world level, buy licenses and implement them into production. And what was done: they bought the goods, counted the “profits” and reported in the spirit of Leonid Utesov - “... everything is fine, beautiful marquise...”

[Dedok]

Quote: 73bor

The author is not aware that the ruble has been strengthening for months now, has become detached from life or something!

and on ALI - what course do the Chinese (“friendly”) set?
that’s the whole answer about the Central Bank rate