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Guided projectile 3OF39 "Krasnopol". Opportunities and real-life applications

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Projectile 3OF39 "Krasnopol" in flight configuration. Photo by Wikimedia Commons


Rocket troops and artillery are actively involved in the current Special Military Operation. Using a variety of weapons and ammunition, they hit various targets and enemy targets. Recently, the Ministry of Defense showed how howitzer artillery uses Krasnopol guided missiles. Due to a number of features and advantages, this weapon It turns out to be a very successful and convenient tool for solving the problems at hand.

Precision Strike


The use of guided artillery shells in the current Special Operation was first shown on March 13. The Ministry of Defense published a short video filmed by a reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle. The fire mission was to defeat the enemy's camouflaged field command post. What kind of forces and means were involved in the strike is not reported, although the basic principles of its implementation are clear.

Video from the Ministry of Defense shows a section of the area with a forest belt; roads pass nearby, and some buildings are located at a distance. Then a large and bright flash appears among the trees from a shell explosion. In the following frames you can see a cloud of smoke. Unfortunately, green spaces and video quality do not allow viewing the target before the projectile hits or after the impact.


The use of "Krasnopol" on the Ukrainian command post

It is reported that the Krasnopol guided projectile aimed at the intended target and hit it. Means of objective control confirm the exact hit on the command post and its complete destruction. Thus, the ammunition and other elements of the artillery complex confirmed their characteristics and capabilities.

There is every reason to believe that the shown attack on the Ukrainian command post is not the first or the last of its kind. Such weapons can be actively used on all fronts against a variety of targets and objects, but not every such shot is shown to the public.

Artillery complex


The 152-mm projectile 3OF39 Krasnopol is the main element of the 2K25 guided weapon system for artillery. Its development has been carried out since the late seventies in the Tula Instrument Design Bureau with the participation of the Leningrad Optical and Mechanical Association and other organizations. The work was completed in the first half of the nineties, and in 1995 the 2K25 complex was officially adopted by the Russian army.

Guided projectile 3OF39 "Krasnopol". Opportunities and real-life applications

Frame from UAV video: terrain with a target

Subsequently, several modifications of the complex were developed with certain differences. So, in the project 3OF39M "Krasnopol-M" improved the design of the projectile, and "Krasnopol-D" provided for an increase in the firing range. Modifications of existing shells in foreign caliber 155 mm were also created.

Serial production of 2K25 complexes and 3OF39 shells was mastered in the mid-nineties. The Russian army became the starting and main customer of such products. At the end of the decade, export deliveries began: India and China received significant quantities of shells and related equipment. New orders were expected, with some foreign armies even conducting their own tests.

For a long time, Krasnopol products were used only as part of the exercises. The first cases of their combat use against real targets took place in 2016-17 as part of the Syrian operation. Guided projectiles were used to quickly and reliably destroy the enemy near the Khmeimim airbase.


Frame from UAV video: shell explosion

Now the Russian army is using 2K25 in the Special Operation to Protect Donbass. "Krasnopol" is already showing itself as an effective means of defeating small targets and is making a certain contribution to the overall processes of the demilitarization of Ukraine. The operation has not yet been completed, and it is to be expected that Russian artillerymen will continue to use their guided weapons - with understandable results.

Features of the complex


The 3OF39 Krasnopol basic modification guided projectile is made in a thin-walled body with a streamlined head and cylindrical tail. There are two X-shaped sets of planes that are laid out in flight. The total length of the ammunition is 1305 mm with a caliber of 152 mm. Weight without other components of the shot - 50,5 kg.

For use in self-propelled artillery, the long ammunition is divided into two compartments that are docked before use. The head control compartment accommodates the homing head, autopilot unit and rudders. The tail "projectile block" carries the warhead, stabilizers and a jet engine.

"Krasnopol" is equipped with a semi-active laser homing head 9E421. In the transport position and at the time of the shot, the seeker is covered with a drop cover. On the descending part of the trajectory, the head searches for a target illuminated by a laser designator. The QUO is provided no more than a few meters, regardless of the firing range. The defeat is carried out by a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 20,5 kg, the mass of explosive is 6,4 kg.


Composition of the 2K25 complex: Shot with a guided projectile 3OF39 with a semi-active laser homing head and a propellant charge;
Complex of means of automated fire control "Malachite". "Malachite" includes target designators-rangefinders 1D22, 1D26, LCD-3M1.

Communication facilities are also needed to coordinate the actions of reconnaissance and artillery. In recent years, the use of "Krasnopolya" is provided by UAVs of various models. In the latter case, an increase in the speed and flexibility of the use of the entire artillery complex is ensured.

The 3OF39 projectile is active-reactive and is equipped with its own engine. It is used as part of the 3VOF64 and 3VOF93 shots with a variable charge. Shots with "Krasnopol" can be used by any domestic 152-mm guns. Due to the propellant charge and jet engine, the firing range, depending on the gun used, can reach or exceed 20 km.

In the course of further modernization, the design of the Krasnopol was refined, and the main characteristics changed. So, when developing the 3OF39M Krasnopol-M product, they abandoned the detachable circuit, which made it possible to optimize the layout and other features. The monoblock projectile is 960 mm long and weighs only 45 kg. Reducing the mass made it possible to increase the range to 25 km. The minimum range of application is 3.000m.

In the middle of the tenth years, the development of the Krasnopol-D project was reported. Its main innovation was the use of satellite seeker. An increase in firing range was also expected. At the same time, the projectile was supposed to retain its former form factor and combat qualities.


Split layout of "Krasnopol". You can see the division into compartments and internal equipment. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

For export, 155-mm modifications of shells were created, differing only in the dimensions of the hull. On the basis of the basic Krasnopol, the product "Complex KM-1" was made. The modernized Krasnopol-M2 is the KM-2 Complex.

Combat advantages


The 2K25 complex with the Krasnopol projectile was created as a high-precision weapon capable of hitting small stationary targets with the first shot. The design tasks set were successfully solved, and the army received the desired guided munition. Then there were its improved versions with improved tactical and technical characteristics and new advantages.

The main advantage of the Krasnopol projectile is the presence of a seeker and the ability to aim at an illuminated target with minimal deviation. This dramatically increases the probability of hitting the target with the first shot, regardless of range and other factors. In addition, the risk of missing and causing damage to surrounding objects is reduced. With all this, the product 3OF39 surpasses the standard unguided "blanks" in terms of firing range.

The experience of defending the Khmeimim base shows that reconnaissance and strike circuits and complexes using Krasnopol are a highly effective means of defense. They are able to quickly and effectively identify threats, as well as hit them over the entire range of ranges.


Improved export "Krasnopol-M2". Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

As part of the current Special Operation, these advantages are again used. In addition, high accuracy is now of great importance. It allows you to hit specific objects and targets without threatening the surrounding buildings. Ukrainian formations are trying to hide behind civilians and civilian infrastructure - and Krasnopoli and other guided weapons allow them to be accurately hit without risks to the population.

Modern remedy


To achieve the required performance indicators of a modern army, high-precision guided weapons of various classes are required. In particular, rocket troops and artillery need such weapons. Since the mid-nineties, our gunners have had at their disposal shells of the Krasnopol family, which combine high accuracy, range and power.

Recently, Krasnopol products have been used in real operations. Together with various artillery systems and reconnaissance equipment, they hit enemy targets, ensuring the solution of assigned tasks with minimal ammunition consumption and virtually no collateral damage. All these qualities and opportunities have been actively used during the demilitarization of Ukraine in recent days.
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  2. Borik
    Borik 17 March 2022 04: 13
    +18
    So for these shells there are many point targets in Ukraine. So let's wish our gunners to put each such projectile exactly on target, since a miss is throwing a lot of money into the wind, and hitting the target saves the lives of our fighters.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 17 March 2022 04: 30
      -6
      The target at its price should be at least not much cheaper than the projectile, otherwise the work is at a loss. Accordingly, there are not too many goals suitable for him. I don’t know how much it costs, but from the description it’s clear that it’s a lot, but rather a lot, so that a Grad salvo will cost less, and the probability of hitting a target is, as it were, no more.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 17 March 2022 05: 19
        +14
        oh well .... let's look at the probability of hitting a dugout-type target with a hail pack and adjustable artillery ammunition. Of course, Krasnopol is expensive. And it is not intended for the denazification of a couple of ordinary dryers. But to destroy the control node is its level, and here the use is very justified.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 March 2022 09: 14
          +4
          For such purposes, there is a specific consumption of 152mm shells ... there you can clearly compare. There was also an analogue of Krasnopol, but less correctable.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 09: 44
            +10
            Quote: Zaurbek
            There was also an analogue of Krasnopol, but less correctable.

            I'll correct you a little ... There was a "Centimeter", but it is not an analogue of "Krasnopol"! "Centimeter" - correctable (RCIC technology); and Krasnopol is controlled ... (ACAG technology)!
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 March 2022 09: 46
              +3
              Yes, there it was necessary to carry out all the calculations .... and it was corrected in a narrow sector.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 10: 16
                +3
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Yes, there it was necessary to carry out all the calculations .... and it was corrected in a narrow sector.

                That's right ... "Centimeter" (152 mm)!
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 06: 21
        +13
        Quote: Nagan
        a volley of "Grad" will cost less, and the probability of hitting a target, as it were, is no more.

        Well, it's coming out-zoldaten placing heavy weapons near the walls of residential buildings, schools, kindergartens, hospitals ... and on them with "Grad" .or "Tornado"? belay Or will Krasnopol be more convenient? what
        1. Force
          Force 17 March 2022 09: 31
          -6
          Neither "Krasnopol" nor even "Petard", because there is a risk of detonation of the BC.
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 18 March 2022 10: 28
            -1
            So, after all, a reconnaissance drone sees when the Grad is discharged and at this moment it is necessary to bang it!
      3. Alex Kozyrev
        Alex Kozyrev 17 March 2022 08: 00
        +9
        The target at its price should be at least not much cheaper than the projectile, otherwise the work is at a loss. Accordingly, there are not too many goals suitable for him.
        I looked at the prices with one eye. A light howitzer cost 10K dollars 200 years ago, a basic howitzer 500K. I don't think prices have changed much. And Krasnopol, according to some sources, cost about 5 million rubles a couple of years ago. It's 50K dollars. Here, consider yourself. And all sorts of MLRS are much more expensive. And do not forget the main thing - the price of the weapon itself (the same howitzer) can be much lower than the damage it will cause.
      4. vvvjak
        vvvjak 17 March 2022 08: 12
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        The target at its price should be at least not much cheaper than the projectile, otherwise the work is at a loss.

        I read an article (I don’t remember where) that for the complete destruction of an enemy artillery battery, the estimated consumption of 152 mm shells is 900 pieces. To destroy the same target, you need 10 pcs. shells "Krasnopol". Here's what's cheaper.
      5. IT Analyst
        IT Analyst 23 March 2022 11: 32
        0
        The price of the fighters is priceless, so the use of such a projectile even against a sniper who has settled down is justified.
      6. Sergey79
        Sergey79 23 March 2022 12: 40
        0
        I fundamentally disagree with this reasoning. Firstly. An indicator of effectiveness can be damage to the enemy, and maybe prevented losses of friendly troops. Secondly. The price of 3OF39 is less than 1 million rubles. Thirdly. The probability of hitting a tank, even in the near, even in the far zone, is close to one. Fourth. The accuracy of the firing of MLRS units by conventional RS leaves much to be desired. These subdivisions are good for group objects that are large in size, as there is a large dispersion.
        ....................
        The article has many inaccuracies, errors and false information. There is no desire to edit. I have done this before, but it does not benefit the author ....
      7. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 18 May 2022 08: 16
        0
        Often the significance of the goal is important, not its monetary value.
      8. Sedoy
        Sedoy 29 May 2022 21: 17
        0
        I don't know how much it costs

        originally cost up to $70000...
        Might be cheaper now...
        the main problem in laser target designation is target illumination
        the last 10-15 seconds...
        those. I need a spy drone...
        otherwise, 25 km is inaccessible (you can’t send footmen) ...
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 March 2022 04: 47
      +2
      The enemy hides artillery in Kyiv in the yards of residential buildings ... is it possible to accurately hit the top ten in such conditions?
      1. Borik
        Borik 17 March 2022 04: 50
        +6
        You can get in, but the fragments will hit not only the enemy, but also nearby houses in the courtyard of which enemy guns or a combat vehicle are located. And the fragment does not choose whom to hit, it will be either a Natsik or a civilian ..
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 18 May 2022 08: 17
          0
          High-explosive shells, not many fragments are formed.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 04: 25
    +8
    In combination with the UAV, it's just a great thing! (It does not require illumination from the ground by a scout).
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 09: 19
      +2
      In China, on the basis of "Krasnopol" they made a "cluster" projectile with an anti-tank SPBE ...
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 09: 25
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        In China, on the basis of Krasnopol, they made a "cluster" projectile with anti-tank SPBE

        Interestingly, probably only the engine was used, otherwise what's the point of aiming a projectile with several submunitions.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 09: 36
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          what is the point of aiming a projectile with several submunitions.

          Yes, there is only one SPBE! There is no GOS ... GPS correction is somehow not clearly mentioned (it is not clear whether it exists or not!) ... "reliably" we can talk about INS!
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 09: 44
            +1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Yes, there is only one SPBE! There is no GOS ... GPS correction is somehow not clearly mentioned (it is not clear whether it exists or not!) ... "reliably" we can talk about INS!

            Well, if it’s self-aiming, then what kind of GOS is there, isn’t it? And it will not be difficult to pick up this GOS to the rudders, probably.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 18 May 2022 08: 19
        0
        And how many submunitions are placed in such a projectile?
    2. Sedoy
      Sedoy 29 May 2022 21: 20
      0
      but requires illumination from the air ...
      10-15 seconds
      with normal air defense, it’s quite enough to detect a drone ...
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 30 May 2022 03: 46
        0
        Quote: Sedoy
        with normal air defense, it’s quite enough to detect a drone ...

        There are much more opportunities to get a scout on the ground, even if the air defense is normal, and it’s a pity for a person.
        1. Sedoy
          Sedoy 30 May 2022 14: 37
          +1
          no doubt...
          only there you can’t get by with one scout ...
          a calculation of three people illuminates the target using a laser target designator-rangefinder, which is part of the Malachite portable automated fire control complex - which weighs 45 kg
  4. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 17 March 2022 05: 05
    +7
    I consider the Centimeter / Daredevil systems to be more advanced due to the extremely short residual correction time (about 3 seconds), in contrast to the Krasnopol, which is corrected from the middle of the trajectory and gives the enemy more time to detect illumination and apply mars (smoke veils). However, it will go well against detectorless barmaley.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 17 March 2022 05: 21
      +4
      giving the enemy more time to detect illumination and use mars (smoke screens). However, it will go well against detectorless barmaley.

      there are no systems signaling laser illumination even on Ukrainian tanks. What can we say about field fortifications.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      I consider the Centimeter / Daredevil systems to be more advanced due to the extremely short residual correction time (about 3 seconds), in contrast to the Krasnopol, which is corrected from the middle of the trajectory and gives the enemy more time to detect illumination and apply mars (smoke veils).

      Oh, I'm begging you! Do not confuse "fork with a bottle"! "Centimeter, Smelchak" - RCIC technology, and "Krasnopol" - ACAG ... different applications! RCIC-correction (!) within limited limits (20-600 meters) ... ACAG - "full" control! "Centimeter" and "Daredevil" - adjustable ... "Krasnopol" - controlled! The RCIC technology "promised" an "importantly wonderful" prospect: cheapness and ease of production; but the "promise" for some reason was not fully fulfilled ... And one more thing: about the use of "Krasnopol" and, even, "Gran ", "Daredevil" we hear from time to time ... But where was the "Centimeter" used? It is unlikely that he exists now "in nature"! Where is "Kitolov-2"? The only thing I remember ... it was somehow tested in combat conditions ... and that's it!
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 18 May 2022 08: 22
        0
        In my opinion, Kitolov stopped the outbreak of war between Eritrea and Ethiopia - they destroyed several tanks on the march, advancing to the starting line.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 March 2022 09: 16
      -1
      There is no need to count here .... there are global trends in this area.
      1. Massive (relatively) 155mm satellite-guided shells (not so accurate, probably)
      2. Krasnopol type with laser
      3. It is necessary to reach ranges comparable with Western 155mm corr shells.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 March 2022 23: 54
        -1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        1. Massive (relatively) 155mm satellite-guided shells (not so accurate, probably)

        They make an analogue of JDAM for shells. Those. an old 155/120 mm projectile / mine can be converted into a high-precision one by winding a special “fuze” M1156 Precision Guidance Kit. GPS Guidance, over 25 kits produced in 000.


        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 March 2022 09: 26
          0
          This is promising .... and relatively inexpensive and it is good that the Ukrainian troops do not use it.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 18 March 2022 09: 41
          +1
          Guidance module "Dynamics" from ICD "Compass"...


      2. Sedoy
        Sedoy 29 May 2022 21: 32
        0
        comparable to Western 155mm corr shells

        Excalibur, controlled by GPS. The experience of the combat use of the projectile in Iraq - 92% of the ammunition fell within a radius of four meters from the target at a range of up to 40 kilometers, and the latest Excalibur modifications are capable of flying 57 kilometers. Satellite navigation saved guided missiles from weather dependence.
        The price is 70 thousand dollars apiece.
        A less costly way to improve the accuracy of cannon artillery is to use fuses with trajectory correction. "Smart" gadgets with GPS sensors and miniature aerodynamic rudders are equipped with conventional ammunition. The Pentagon received several thousand M1156 PGK fuses worth less than $10 per unit. True, unlike Excalibur, PGK shells have half the accuracy.

  5. smaug78
    smaug78 17 March 2022 07: 50
    -1
    GOS and semi-active guidance are two big differences. Another cheers-half-delusions ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 08: 13
      +1
      Quote: smaug78
      GOS and semi-active guidance - two big differences

      What kind ? belay
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 March 2022 09: 18
        -1
        He means AGSN (like Iskander). GOS, which from a certain height itself identifies targets (such as a tank or others), selects priority and directs itself.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 09: 28
          +3
          It is possible that the commentator has in mind just such an aspect ... with a clumsy presentation of it! But the GOS is ... there are all sorts of things! wink It is possible that smaug78 was offended by the fact that in the article the satellite correction was called GOS!
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 18 March 2022 07: 40
            -1
            that in the article satellite correction was called GOS!
            Is it the same for you?
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 18 March 2022 09: 27
              +1
              Quote: smaug78
              Is it the same for you?

              Of course not ! hi
  6. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 March 2022 08: 54
    +2
    My friend studied at the Tula Art School, which, alas, does not exist now, so it was for this reason that he had a closed thesis, he spoke so sparingly, they say, Thing!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 March 2022 09: 19
      +1
      These threads are 30 years old. The question is the number of explosives, and the range of the projectile and the size of the quantum rangefinder (which needs to shine on the target)
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 17 March 2022 10: 22
    +1
    The quality of the video from the Ministry of Defense can hardly leave anyone indifferent ...
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 10: 30
    +1
    "Krasnopol" with a semi-active laser seeker is, of course, very good! And the GPS is not bad! But in one country neighboring Russia, a small-caliber television-guided ammunition was once developed ... I think that it would be a good fit as a control "nozzle" on the final section of the flight path to Krasnopol instead of a laser seeker! ("Krasnopol" with television guidance!)
  9. riwas
    riwas 17 March 2022 10: 44
    0
    It is reported that the Krasnopol guided projectile aimed at the intended target and hit it. Means of objective control confirm the exact hit on the command post and its complete destruction.

    KP is a worthy target for Krasnopol. If carefully, then you can hit some targets in the city. Something is inaudible about the use of the 240-mm guided mine "Smelchak". It is difficult to use it in the city, but outside it or at a checkpoint you can hit.
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 17 March 2022 10: 56
      -2
      Quote: riwas
      Something is inaudible about the use of the 240-mm guided mine "Daredevil"

      Well, you still ask for tactical nuclear weapons. A daredevil at a checkpoint is like a cannon at cockroaches.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 25 March 2022 16: 13
        0
        This is not the point, there is primarily a limited range, which is critical in these conditions.
  10. nonsense
    nonsense 17 March 2022 16: 10
    0
    Here's what I don't understand. When they first started working on these guided / guided projectiles with laser target designation in the 70s, WHY did they first focus on 152mm howitzer / cannon LONG-TERM systems? After all, logically, if you have the ability to target designation for such a projectile at only a distance of five kilometers, then WHY develop an adjustable / guided projectile with a range of 20 km? IMHO it was necessary to start developing such ammunition with min 120mm caliber! But we have the opposite - a bunch of precision-guided ammunition for 152mm guns and the only (and the latest developed) for a 120mm mortar (Gran), which no one in the army has ever seen! Where is the logic here?
    1. demiurg
      demiurg 17 March 2022 16: 41
      +3
      Because in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation 120mm mortars are at the battalion level. This is a firing range of 3-4-5 km. If the coordinates of the target are transmitted accurately, then 80 percent that the target will be destroyed by the first salvo of the battery with simple cast iron.
      UAS are needed from about a range of 10 km. And 10 km and above, this is a brigade or even divisional level. Suddenly, right?

      And with all this, there is the Edge and there is Kitolov. It's just that the use of these ammunition is too specialized. And the news is unlikely to show how they destroyed the sniper / ATGM interfering with the battalion.
      1. nonsense
        nonsense 18 March 2022 10: 38
        0
        by analogy with your "reasoning": guided missiles (TURs) are also unnecessary for tanks. There is the Divisional level and there is artillery with Krasnopolya and SPTRK ... And at 3-4-5 km, tanks will destroy any target with their cast iron ...
        1. demiurg
          demiurg 19 March 2022 17: 44
          0
          Brass knuckles and other Reflexes are very highly specialized weapons, for firing at a distance of more than 3 km at a maneuvering target. Up to 2.5-3 km, the tank does not need to take lead, the projectile flies for a second or one and a half, and if you aim at the roof of the tower, it will hit the hull, there is enough flatness. But at 3-4 km, you already need to use a laser rangefinder and calculate the lead.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 March 2022 17: 24
      +1
      There are also adjustable mine Smelchak M projectile Centimeter M and Kitolov 2 mine - but there is no data on their use in Ukraine.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 23: 19
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        There are also adjustable mine Smelchak M shell Centimeter M and mine Kitolov 2

        "Kitolov-2M" was forgotten! wink
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 19: 15
      0
      Quote: nespich
      the only (and the latest developed) for the 120mm mortar (Gran), which no one in the army has ever seen!

      Actually, I "heard" about the "Fringe" not so long ago! Perhaps even this was at the last (penultimate) major exercises of the Russian army! It was said that the tactics of using Krasnopol shells and Gran mines were worked out during the exercises!
      1. nonsense
        nonsense 18 March 2022 10: 35
        0
        so how :) after the "practiced tactics" is this mine now in every mortar battery at the front? -- no! Not to mention the anti-tank capabilities of mortars with such a mine - even the mine itself in a cumulative version does not exist in nature!
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 18 March 2022 12: 25
          0
          Quote: nespich
          after the "practiced tactics" is this mine now in every mortar battery at the front? -- no!

          No, what? You ...: "I haven't heard about the" Edges "and no one in the troops has seen them!" Me: "Recently I heard about" Facets ", which means that if you look, there will be some mortarmen in the troops who both saw and fired!" That's all ! wink By the way, the United States has JDAM guidance modules that can be fired into conventional (!) 155-mm shells and 120-mm mines ... belay In Russia, there have also been reports of the development of a similar guidance module "Dynamics" of the ICD "Compass"! yes Such a module costs many times cheaper than both Krasnopol and Grani! This is what you need to "take care of"! what
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 18 March 2022 11: 00
      -1
      Quote: nespich
      Here's what I don't understand. When they first started working on these guided / guided projectiles with laser target designation in the 70s, WHY did they first focus on 152mm howitzer / cannon LONG-TERM systems?

      I am not a big specialist in artillery, but as far as I remember, the main artillery nuclear munitions were in 152 mm caliber. It's probably a good idea to put a tactical nuclear button exactly at the control point at a distance of 20 km. What is the effect ... there was nothing and suddenly a mushroom blossomed, and only at the headquarters site. and the bulk of the troops are simply demoralized by the sight they saw belay laughing
      1. nonsense
        nonsense 18 March 2022 12: 03
        0
        we are NOT ABOUT THIS!
        PS: and tactical nuclear weapons are good because they DO NOT NEED to aim for sure ...
  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 March 2022 17: 03
    0
    For some purposes, upr.sn. and missiles can be used, but 80-90% of targets will be cheaper to destroy with conventional shells and missiles.
  12. svoit
    svoit 17 March 2022 22: 35
    +2
    Quote: Kostadinov
    but 80-90% of the targets will be cheaper to destroy with conventional shells and missiles.

    Most likely, on the contrary, it is 80-90% of targets that are cheaper and easier to destroy with high-precision b / n.
    the remaining 10-20% of targets fall on unexplored targets (areal) or high-speed
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 23: 50
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      Unfortunately, while talking about Krasnopol, they forgot to mention the "dynamics" guidance module once developed by the Compass Design Bureau, which can be installed on ordinary "free-falling" projectiles by screwing them in place of the head fuses! Thus, the resulting corrected (guided?) artillery projectile turns out to be much cheaper than the Krasnopol! That's just a "bad" ... for a long time something has not been heard about MN "Dynamics"!
  13. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 17 March 2022 22: 37
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    And why didn't the author give a comparison with the American "Copperhead"?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 March 2022 23: 40
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      Quote: Aviator_
      And why didn't the author give a comparison with the American "Copperhead"?

      Well, maybe because "Copperhead" is already dumb? request
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 March 2022 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      And why didn't the author give a comparison with the American "Copperhead"?

      Of course, it can be compared with the development of the 1970 M712 Copperhead, but now the M982 Excalibur is relevant, it has a laser-guided variant. In any case, the comparison is sad, in the first case, the United States had their analogue 15 years earlier, in the second they are superior to our projectile in all respects.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 18 March 2022 13: 55
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        In any case, the comparison is sad, in the first case, the United States had their analogue 15 years earlier, in the second they are superior to our projectile in all respects.
        Clear. Ryabov in his role.
  14. Elephant
    Elephant 18 March 2022 10: 53
    +1
    The Tula design bureau also needs to develop loitering ammunition similar to the American Switchblade. And it will be cheaper to use, because. there is no need for a link with a suggestive UAV.
  15. acetophenone
    acetophenone 19 May 2022 21: 12
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    I get the impression that the industry has gone somewhere. The one that is industry. There were some small-scale experimental installations. They will do something, they will test it, the prizes will be divided and taken for something else. Correct me if I am wrong. I'll be happy.