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Hypersonic... rifle! Electromagnetic weapons

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Hypersonic... rifle! Electromagnetic weapons

An explosive type solenoid that provides an unprecedented increase in the strength of the electromagnetic field. Rice. A. Sheps


“Today we are in a unique situation.
in our new and latest stories:
are chasing us.
No country today has
hypersonic weapons generally,
and continental-range hypersonic weapons
especially".
V.V. Putin

Weapons of the near future. And it happened that back in 1930, the future science fiction writer Alexander Kazantsev invented a cannon with an electromagnetic drive and showed it to the then People's Commissar of Heavy Industry Sergo Ordzhonikidze. Well, the tests themselves took place in the office: this model with its iron shells will ruin all the walls in his office. But the people's commissar replied that the repair would require less funds than the development of this promising invention, and immediately ordered Alexander Kazantsev to be transferred from the Ural Metallurgical Plant to Podlipki near Moscow, to an artillery plant.

Actually, Kazantsev did not offer anything particularly new then. What he did was the already well-known "Gauss cannon", and it was possible to seduce with it only our military leaders like Tukhachevsky, and people's commissars like Ordzhonikidze. Be that as it may, but, although his “gun” did not go further than a desktop model, he nevertheless wrote the novel “The Burning Island”, and he entered the golden fund of our national science fiction.


This is how, according to the publishers of the American journal Modern Mechanics, an electromagnetic gun of the near future could look like

Years passed, and now, thanks to the achievements of science and technology, Kazantsev's dream of creating electromagnetic weapons began to gradually take shape.

In particular, at the end of July 2021, the American company Arcflash Labs demonstrated its development of the GR-1 electromagnetic rifle, which represents the most powerful Gauss rifle available to the mass consumer. The rifle can be ordered and received in six months.

In fact, this is one of the varieties of the electromagnetic mass accelerator, which was named after the German scientist Karl Gauss, who laid the foundations for the entire mathematical theory of electromagnetism. Structurally, any rifle or Gauss gun is a solenoid, inside of which there is a barrel made of a dielectric. The shot is fired with a special ferromagnet projectile. This device operates very simply: as soon as an electric current appears in the solenoid coil, an electromagnetic field arises, which the projectile accelerates.


American electromagnetic gun EM-01-Alpha

In order for the effect of the current pulse in the solenoid to be powerful and short-lived, high-voltage electrolytic capacitors are used.


And his image in graphic design

Interestingly, the rifle received the designation GR-1 ANVIL ("Anvil"), the company advertises it as the world's first serial model of a rifle, that is, a hand weapon operating by the force of electromagnetism.

It is noted that the GR-1 can accelerate ferromagnetic projectiles with a diameter of one and a half inches to a speed of 75 m / s, while its rate of fire can reach 100 rounds per minute. The standard magazine holds 10 bullets. The 6S LiPo battery allows you to shoot 40 shots on just one charge. Moreover, the shooter can change this indicator from 20 rounds per minute at full power to 100 rounds per minute with a power of 50 percent. Shells for it have different lengths: 32, 42 and 52 mm.


Another "miracle rifle" with an electromagnetic drive. It even has an optical sight installed ...

Experts note that the "Gauss gun" has advantages that other types of small arms do not have. And in fact, she does not need sleeves for her. Its ammunition theoretically can be dispersed to a very high speed, a projectile fired at no more than the speed of sound is silent. The recoil is low, the wear resistance of the barrel is high, and it is possible to work even in outer space.

But her shortcomings are very serious, and the most important of them is low RPP. In addition, due to the presence of electromagnets and a battery of significant capacity, it has a lot of weight, and the bullet speed is still low, that is, for shooting for fun, this is just the “thing”, but for participating in hostilities 75 m / s - this is ridiculous.


But what if in the near future there will be such hypersonic sniper rifles with explosive pumping? Explosive-type solenoids are known. New materials that make it possible to obtain record magnetic field strengths have already been created. What if we combine all this in a single design, and use an ordinary ... rifle as a “booster” for a bullet, but only firing a steel bullet? For example, such as you see in this photo. Of course, the “fairy tale is a lie”, but ... After all, almost all the “bricks” for it are already there today, and they all work! Well, outwardly, this is the most ordinary sniper rifle, except that its barrel is longer than usual. In the photo it is shown in the position before loading.

Theoretically, if it is possible to create small-sized and extremely powerful current sources and high-temperature superconductors (200–300 K), then it will be possible to talk seriously about this weapon. Although there is another way...


In this photo, a magnetron solenoid and a suppressor are already put on the barrel, and an optical sight is fixed on the Picatinny rail

So, specialists from the National Laboratory for High Magnetic Fields in the USA (MagLab) managed to create an extremely powerful electromagnet that can even fit in a small handbag, and it weighs only 390 g.


Magnetron, A-shaped bipods with retractable parts, upper and lower receivers and a bolt of the simplest design - that's all this rifle could hypothetically consist of today

But he creates a magnetic field with an induction of a record 45,5 T, while in a tomograph (MRI) the magnet produces only some 2–3 T. Such high performance was finally achieved thanks to the use of a superconducting alloy based on barium oxide, copper and rare earth elements, which was used in the form of very thin tapes.


Cross-linked aluminum A-arm for greater rigidity is easily adjustable in height…

Here it should be recalled that the most powerful artificial magnetic fields are obtained by compressing the magnetic field inside the electromagnet, which occurs due to the detonation of an explosive charge. Therefore, such magnets are called explosive pump generators. The magnetic field at the time of the explosion can reach 1 T in a few microseconds. Here, in fact, the same principle was used, plus superconducting materials.


Upper receiver with two clutches and a spring inside. The barrel is screwed into one sleeve, slides into the other at the moment of the shot and pushes the bolt back

By the way, for the first time, work on explosive electromagnetic generators was carried out back in the USSR at the VNIIEF nuclear research center in Sarov in the early 1950s, and only after that in the United States at the Los Alamos National Laboratory.


The design of the bolt handle is nothing less than a tribute to tradition. In principle, it can be any other form convenient for the shooter. The L-shaped plate in front of the trigger guard is used to place one of the bipod legs on it when transporting the rifle

The generator is very simple: an explosive charge in the form of a cylinder covers a tube with a superconducting film wound around it in the form of a tape and is blown up so that the compression of the cylinder would begin at the very moment when the current passing through the solenoid was at its maximum. Then the magnetic field around it will be maximum in its strength!

But what if we make a sniper rifle working on this principle for ... special operations ?! For shooting from a long distance at extremely important targets ?!
Let's imagine a single-shot sniper rifle, in general, of a conventional design. In the upper receiver there is a barrel wrapped with a spring, on the lower there are guides for the shutter, a pistol grip for holding, a trigger, and a battery for supplying the solenoid. The cartridge is ordinary, rifle, but only the bullet for it should be steel with a copper leading belt and an inner core of tungsten carbide.


These are the mounts for the left bipod on the left side. The upper receiver, in principle, is also removed from the rifle, but it makes no sense to do this during transportation

The part of the barrel that is in the receiver is rifled, and the part that comes out of it is smooth. A cylinder with five sections inside, made of high strength steel, is put on the barrel behind the receiver before firing. Inside each section is a solenoid coil wound from a superconducting alloy tape, and each of these coils is lined with an explosive charge. So the cylinder itself must also be very strong (and therefore heavy, with a total weight of at least five kilograms!) So that it does not break when fired. A suppressor is put on the end of the barrel at the muzzle - a promising type of silencer combined with a muzzle brake, which provides less and far from unnecessary noise absorption of the shot, and also eliminates the muzzle flame that unmasks it and also performs the role of a muzzle compensator.


The rifle with the barrel removed from it in the transport position. Rectangular box under the butt - rechargeable battery

When fired, the bullet first accelerates in a rifled barrel to standard rifle barrels of 750-820 m / s. But as soon as it hits the smooth part of the barrel, the microprocessor, which had previously powered the solenoid with electricity from the battery, gives the command to alternately detonate the charges in the solenoid cylinder. A traveling magnetic field of colossal intensity arises, which can very well accelerate the bullet to a speed of 5–7 km / s, that is, to hypersonic speed. In this way, it will fly a distance of five kilometers in just one second, and when it hits the target, it will immediately turn into plasma. After the shot, the barrel moves back along with the bolt, and the spring itself returns back by the force of the spring.


Suppressor (left) and magnetron solenoid (right). It has a strap for easy carrying. The rifle itself is not very heavy, but with a magnetron put on it, its weight increases dramatically. True, this also gives it greater stability when fired.

Immediately after this, the suppressor is first removed from the barrel, then the accelerator-magnetron, in which, after some time, the fuses will have to work and release it from the hot gases inside. Then a new magnetron is put on the barrel, then a suppressor, a new cartridge is loaded into the rifle, and it is again ready to fire.

Yes, this is not a quick thing and will require the help of a partner shooter. But after all, a shot is fired from a distance of at least five kilometers, so that all this can be done completely unnoticed by the enemy, and the shots themselves were fired not even one, but two or three. And more is not needed if, for example, fire is fired at combat aircraft taking off from some remote airfield. Or - according to the engines of the VIP aircraft, they are also on takeoff. No matter how expensive a shot from a rifle like this is, destroying an aircraft worth millions of dollars will pay for any expenses.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 March 2022 05: 01
    +8
    Raised the morning mood Vyacheslav this article.
    If I had a battery with infinite energy capacity, I would immediately build a hyperboloid of engineer Garin ... that there is some kind of Gauss rifle here.
    But alas, the technical level of human civilization has not yet grown to this... and this is very good... it is too early for him to have such a weapon of self-destruction of humanity.
    hi
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 07: 53
      +6
      The work is definitely of high quality and well illustrated, but I personally .. “I don’t like” when Vyacheslav Olegovich delves into science fiction topics and purely political ones.
      I would like something a little “rusty” over the centuries, or smelling of bitter gunpowder, or exhaust soot! I especially respect the culinary, castle and historically educational topics of the Author! In a special place are Vyacheslav's memories from his childhood, essays on models and soldiers!
      Therefore, I apologize to the Author, I read it with pleasure, but not mine !!!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. kalibr
        20 March 2022 08: 50
        +13
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I would like something a little “rusty” over the centuries, or smelling of bitter gunpowder, or exhaust soot! I especially respect the culinary, castle and historically educational topics of the Author!

        Dear Vladislav! I also like these topics, otherwise I would not write, but I have nowhere to go from materials on the "theme of ideas." And it is the military. This has been going on since 1980, when I invented my first pistol on a dirty autumn road to my Pokrovo-Berezovka. And although the answer from the USSR Ministry of Defense came that “it’s no better than Makarov ... and we can’t accept it,” I was encouraged by the fact that in general a thing turned out that specialists discussed very seriously. And then the message came about the O'Dwyer system, a lot of things. So I can’t deny myself the pleasure of working with my hands and head, and then I can’t write about it. Maybe nothing will come of it. Maybe someone will be interested and this interest will lead a person to a new profession, maybe the idea will turn out to be sound ... You never know here, right? But other topics have not been forgotten: there are articles on moderation about the Boer War, and a new article about unusual ones (rusty revolvers), there is very interesting material about medicines and medicinal plants of the Middle Ages. So ... there is not and will not be an excess of "home-made weapons" among my topics. And to make such a rifle with your own hands is not so easy.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 March 2022 09: 35
          +4
          there is a very interesting material about medicines and medicinal plants Sr.vekov. good
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 12: 36
          +3
          Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich, I have no doubts about your talents! Just expressed my opinion.
          For me, a gaus weapon is something from the battletech robots (mechvarior).
          1. kalibr
            20 March 2022 16: 10
            +4
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Just expressed my opinion.

            And you expressed it well! And I wrote to you in response that there is and put a plus.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 20 March 2022 16: 35
              +3
              Vyacheslav, hello and thanks for the new article! good
              I see that you will soon accumulate a solid arsenal of products of your own production. smile
              Are you changing your old barrel for a more powerful one? Well, now mutants cannot live in the Zone! wink
              1. kalibr
                20 March 2022 18: 25
                +3
                Oh Konstantin! I would be happy to collect my "handicrafts", but to whom will I leave them? The granddaughter is categorically against it... And so I put them in the country, and take them and fall on my daughter. Well, she defeated them in their hearts. As a result, today I have only two submachine guns available, this "sniper" and a pistol. And there is nowhere to store it. Well, that's how the "corona" subsides, I'll try to make a TV show "A Story about Weapons" in my city and use them there too.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 20 March 2022 18: 52
                  +2
                  Well, that's how the "corona" subsides, I'll try to make a TV show "A Story about Weapons" in my city and use them there too.

                  Good deal. smile In Moscow, the "mask regime" was canceled, I hope that everything will work out for you soon. drinks
                  1. kalibr
                    20 March 2022 19: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    I hope

                    And me too!
          2. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 21 March 2022 10: 39
            +1
            A Gauss gun (not for professional use) has not been difficult to make for a long time, and not for long, from improvised materials. Ammunition is everywhere (ball bearings, bolts...), a battery from a screwdriver, there are no complaints about the quality of the barrel in this case either. A little knowledge in the field of physics and electrical engineering. DSP16 pierces flat with a bolt for 10 hits. holes fellow
            Played around at work
    2. Bogatyrev
      Bogatyrev 20 March 2022 14: 18
      +1
      Duc from 5 km and with hypersound, you can shoot from a car, and stuff a full trailer into a dynamo car with batteries. 5 km is 5 km.
    3. vick vickers
      vick vickers 20 March 2022 21: 42
      0
      "It's too early for him to have such a weapon of self-destruction of mankind."
      More like a weapon of self-destruction shooter ...
  2. demiurg
    demiurg 20 March 2022 05: 47
    +7
    What is the point of blowing up a substance by converting thermal energy into electrical energy? If you really want to shoot at 5 km, since 1940 there seems to be 14.5 / 114. It flies for 7 km, with 100% lethality even if the target is wearing body armor. In any case, the accuracy will be comparable.
    A bullet weighing a gram and a half accelerated to 5-7 km / s will evaporate on the first kilometer.
    Well, in general, if the target is in direct line of sight at 3-4-5 km, it’s easier to illuminate it with a laser for Centimeter / Krasnopol, shoot Cornet with a thermal bar, or plow Pinocchio’s territory or completely cover it with battalion artillery.

    The future lies in situational awareness and the ability to transfer target coordinates from forward detachments to weapons.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 March 2022 06: 35
      +3
      Quote: demiurg
      Well, in general, if the target is in line of sight at 3-4-5 km, it’s easier to illuminate it with a laser for Centimeter / Krasnopol, to shoot Cornet with a thermal bar, or to plow Pinocchio’s territory or completely gone to cover with battalion artillery.

      I don’t know what you meant by battalion artillery, but setting overwhelming (important, global, key) tasks for a mortar battery and a grenade launcher platoon really went ...
    2. kalibr
      20 March 2022 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: demiurg
      A bullet weighing a gram and a half accelerated to 5-7 km / s will evaporate on the first kilometer.

      But does the article indicate that the bullet weighs a gram and a half?
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 20 March 2022 13: 06
        +2
        And if more, then the recoil of this gun will be many times greater than that of the PTRD. Energy increases with the square of speed.
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: demiurg
          And if more, then the recoil of this gun will be many times greater than that of the PTRD. Energy increases with the square of speed.

          Of course not. The bullet is not ejected by gas pressure, but by an electromagnetic field. Get online and read...
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 20 March 2022 13: 21
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: demiurg
            And if more, then the recoil of this gun will be many times greater than that of the PTRD. Energy increases with the square of speed.

            Of course not. The bullet is not ejected by gas pressure, but by an electromagnetic field. Get online and read...

            As far as I understand, the Internet has not yet canceled Newton's 3rd law laughing
            1. kalibr
              20 March 2022 15: 59
              0
              You read what it says about the Gaussian gun. Moreover, the article contains photos of images that have gone on sale. There are also reviews on the web. Everything is...
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 20 March 2022 16: 16
                +6
                Quote: kalibr
                You read what is written there

                So. The client persists in his delusion...

                Dear, did you go to school? Physics, Newton's 3rd law... it's just about recoil, yes. Including for any gun, including Gaussian ...

                Quote: kalibr
                There are also reviews on the web. Everything is...

                And then there is your blah blah. It seems that physics, even school physics, is not for you.
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 18: 31
                  +1
                  Once again: there are texts that are written by technically literate people, there are products that are produced and sold. There are videos of the use of these products. I use it. You can use the school physics textbook, no one forbids it. Write your article with a detailed discussion of the problem of Gaussian guns, clever formulas and calculations without blah blah. Then let's see what you can do.
                  1. Cube123
                    Cube123 20 March 2022 18: 54
                    +4
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Write your article with a detailed discussion of the problem of Gaussian guns, clever formulas and calculations without blah blah.

                    The articles have already been written. In particular, Academician A.D. Sakharov. In 1965, 1966 With a description of experimental work in 1952
                    http://elib.biblioatom.ru/text/saharov_nauchnye-trudy_1995/go,68/
                    Article 7 "Magnetic cumulation" p. 65. And article 8 "Explosive magnetic generators" p. 69. There are many interesting formulas, including the energy of the magnetic field in tons of TNT (9). AND
                    experimental results are available.

                    And with regard to the idea itself, it will not be possible to greatly strengthen the magnetic field. The final diameter of the coil during compression cannot be less than the diameter of the projectile. So the field amplification is a maximum order through the ratio of the initial and final areas of the coil turns. For a reasonable rifle design, of course.
                    1. kalibr
                      20 March 2022 19: 28
                      -1
                      Very interesting, I have not read these articles. But maybe you could make their content more popular? Still, VO is not a scientific journal, but it would be interesting to a lot of people.
                      1. Cube123
                        Cube123 20 March 2022 22: 23
                        +1
                        It is not very clear what to chew there. Articles are interesting in description of experimental results. And in terms of theory, there is one conclusion: the field amplification is proportional to the ratio of the areas of the coil at the beginning of compression and its end. The energy of the magnetic field through the TNT equivalent gives the lower estimate of the required amount of explosives. And, apparently, there are kilograms required.

                        The results achieved are also mentioned in
                        https://ozlib.com/856478/tehnika/vzryvomagnitnye_generatory

                        Everything else is the same as in conventional Gauss guns. A good overview even with links to programs for calculating them. There is also a description of self-made ones with decent energy:
                        https://habr.com/ru/company/ruvds/blog/583914/?
                        There is even a design similar to yours
                2. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 18: 32
                  0
                  Features include "relatively low recoil (equal to the momentum of the ejected projectile, no additional momentum from powder gases or moving parts)" I didn't write this.
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 20 March 2022 18: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: kalibr
                    The features include "relatively low recoil (equal to the momentum of the projectile that has flown out, there is no additional impulse from powder gases or moving parts)" This is not what I wrote

                    This is Vika. But even it says:

                    Quote: Vika
                    equal the momentum of the fired projectile

                    Q.E.D.

                    Further, everything is simple - we look at the declared speed and mass of the bullet, we consider the momentum ... the return, by the way, is proportional squared impulse, if sclerosis does not change me. Everything is very simple yes
                    1. kalibr
                      20 March 2022 19: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Repellent
                      if sclerosis does not change me.

                      Then, probably, it will not be difficult for you to calculate it for a bullet weighing 11 g. This is just the weight of a B-30 trilinear bullet. I've always been bad at math. It would be useful and instructive in every respect.
                      1. Bormanxnumx
                        Bormanxnumx 21 March 2022 11: 19
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Quote: Repellent
                        if sclerosis does not change me.

                        Then, probably, it will not be difficult for you to calculate it for a bullet weighing 11 g. This is just the weight of a B-30 trilinear bullet. I've always been bad at math. It would be useful and instructive in every respect.

                        If we take the weight of your "shooter" as 10kg, the bullet 11g has a speed of 7000m / s, then the shooter will be recoiled with a force of 296J. For example, the Barrett M82 has a return of 127 J
                      2. kalibr
                        22 March 2022 19: 32
                        0
                        Quote: BORMAN82
                        For example, the Barrett M82 has a return of 127 J

                        So you need to reduce it to this value! There are two ways to do this: reduce the mass of the bullet, or reduce its speed, or reduce both. Let's say the weight of the bullet is up to 9 g - "Nine grams in the heart, wait, don't call!", And the speed is up to 3,5 M, which is also a lot for a bullet. Mosinka for example gives 820 m / s. Then just be the Barrett M82.
                  2. Droid
                    Droid 22 March 2022 18: 13
                    +1
                    Have you tried reading carefully? This lowest recoil is for this particular rifle with a muzzle velocity of 75 m/s.
                    Your rifle firing an 11 g bullet with a muzzle velocity of 7 km/s has a recoil energy ~8,5 times greater than that of an SVD. Yes, the arrow will cripple nafig.
                3. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 21 March 2022 10: 48
                  -1
                  The Gauss cannon actually has no recoil. The acceleration of the projectile is fast, but smooth. From boredom gathered to indulge. About seven years ago. But about a Gauss rifle with an explosive charge No. I hear it for the first time
                  1. Droid
                    Droid 22 March 2022 18: 05
                    0
                    Did you also forget your school physics course? The law of conservation of momentum has not yet been canceled.
                    1. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 24 March 2022 21: 19
                      0
                      . The law of conservation of momentum has not yet been canceled.

                      The coil and the projectile are attracted mutually, towards each other. Well, this is not a chemical reaction in a firearm, when a bullet is pushed out by powder gases, and the gun, accordingly, moves in the opposite direction to the bullet fellow
                      1. Droid
                        Droid 25 March 2022 17: 45
                        0
                        It does not matter. The law of conservation of momentum and Newton's third law do not care about such trifles.
                        Well, for those who have forgotten the physics of the video about the Gauss gun (desktop model), watch from the 2:11 mark, you can clearly see how it shifts from the recoil.
            2. barbos
              barbos 22 May 2022 23: 14
              0
              This is nothing more than a core, albeit a movable one in an oscillating LC circuit. Therefore, there are no violations of the laws of mechanics, which are not dominant in this device. A large voltage was applied to the coil, the energy of the electric field stored on the capacitors in the coil (any solenoid is an inductor) was converted into a magnetic field, which begins to move the core (our projectile). This uses up the energy of the magnetic field. Roughly speaking, as in an asynchronous motor, the rotating magnetic field of the stator drags the squirrel cage of the rotor along with it.
              As for the return, it is there a little different kind. Since the electromagnetic energy is the main one, its remnants are then extinguished on the resistance. This can be considered a return.
          2. demiurg
            demiurg 20 March 2022 13: 39
            +2
            Ay yai yai, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 20 March 2022 13: 57
              +1
              Offtopic amateur question - can a pulsating electromagnet in a tank deceive an NLAW target sensor that is triggered when flying over a target?
          3. igor_sabadah
            igor_sabadah 20 March 2022 14: 34
            +6
            The recoil will not go anywhere from this, physics doesn’t care what to throw with gunpowder or a magnetic field
            1. kalibr
              20 March 2022 16: 02
              0
              Features include "relatively low recoil (equal to the momentum of the ejected projectile, no additional momentum from propellant gases or moving parts)"
            2. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 21 March 2022 10: 54
              0
              . The recoil will not go anywhere from this, physics doesn’t care what to throw with gunpowder or a magnetic field

              If they ask the car to push, it is better to rest against it gradually giving it acceleration or run up as it should and ... fellow
              Here you can feel the return. wassat
              The acceleration speed is controlled by a sequence of coils with different magnetic induction. In a unit of time, you experience not such a reaction. On the last coil, let's say, the projectile speed is 7,2 km/s, and at the exit 7,5 km/s. P=m*u. P=m*(7,5-7,2)
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 11 May 2022 09: 10
                0
                If they ask the car to push, it is better to rest against it gradually giving it acceleration or run up as it should and ... fellow
                Here you can feel the return. wassat
                Your constructions about "smeared recoil" would be valid if the accelerating section were several kilometers long. When taking into account the final velocity of the projectile in ... let it be 7 km / s. So, you have:
                1. On the powder section of acceleration - an increase in speed from zero to about 0,8 km / s, with a length of the accelerating section of 20-50 cm. At the same time, the shooter noticeably feels the standard return.
                2. On the magnetic section of the acceleration - an increase in speed from 0.8 km / s to 7 km / s, with a length of the acceleration section of 20-30 cm.

                And here you are trying to persuade us to reduce recoil due to its temporary smearing.
                Wherein:
                1. According to even the school basics of physics, the required energy grows in the square, with increasing speed.
                2. To create an explosive amplification of the magnetic field, it will be necessary to detonate several (or many) kg of explosives at a distance of no more than a meter from the shooter's head. This is comparable to the explosion of an anti-tank mine. Creating a sufficiently blast-resistant chamber for such a performance will most likely require a metal chock comparable to a piece of a gun muzzle from a battleship, 200-300 kg. At the same time, the weak points of this design for the breakthrough of gases from the explosion will remain: a) channels for the wires of the control electric igniter; b) the central channel of the barrel, along which the accelerated projectile moves. That is, despite the strength of the main part of the structure, the danger to the shooter will be unacceptable.

                Another point that will not allow a shot to be realized using several explosive magnetic field amplifiers in such a short area to create the desired accelerating wave is the following:
                As stated in the article, at an extremely short distance inside the explosion-proof chamber, several charges should be detonated sequentially (as the bullet moves), increasing the magnetic field. BUT! The detonation wave during the detonation of the first charge for most explosives has a speed in the range of 5-8 km/s. Don't believe? You can refer to the relevant reference literature. There is an article about this in Wiki. That is, while your bullet will pick up speed from 0.8 km / s to 1-2 km / s (the first centimeters of the accelerating section), the detonation wave from the detonation of the first charge will long reach the next (all subsequent) accelerating charge and undermine it too.
                I'm not going to speak for the monstrosity of the design, comparable to an ordinary artillery gun.
          4. vick vickers
            vick vickers 20 March 2022 21: 46
            +1
            "No, of course not. The bullet is not thrown out by gas pressure, but by an electromagnetic field. Get on the Internet and read ..."
            Dear author, where will you put the law of conservation of momentum?
  3. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 20 March 2022 06: 24
    0
    if it is possible to create small-sized and extremely powerful current sources and high-temperature superconductors (200-300K), then it will be possible to talk about this weapon seriously

    This is the essence of E / M weapons, incl. laser. Everything else blah blah blah.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 20 March 2022 10: 26
      +2
      This is not enough. It is also necessary to ensure the short duration of the pulse at its very high potential strength. And it can't be done on a solenoid basis. Why ? Because in a solenoid, the higher the current, the higher the self-inductance.
      1. kalibr
        20 March 2022 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        And it can't be done on a solenoid basis.

        This has already been achieved both by us and the Americans. where and when the article says.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 20 March 2022 11: 48
          +2
          Then you simply do not know many nuances.
          1. kalibr
            20 March 2022 13: 21
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            Then you simply do not know many nuances.

            As times I something very many nuances and know. I have been dealing with this topic for a long time. You can read my articles on Pravda-ru. There are also about DARPA projects ...
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 20 March 2022 16: 19
              +1
              Maybe then you know about turnless induction devices in which the self-inductive process develops is not equivalent to the possibility of passing large currents. And therefore, you should know that there are limits to magnetization, after which a breakdown occurs and how this problem is solved. Then it is probably worth knowing what modulation current should be used.
            2. vick vickers
              vick vickers 20 March 2022 21: 54
              +2
              "It's just that I know a lot of nuances. I have been working on this topic for a long time. You can read my articles on Pravda-ru. There are also about DARPA projects there ..."
              Dear author, what you propose is a linear version of TOKAMAK with the appropriate weight and cost ... only one-time. The question arises: who needs it, and what will happen to the shooter?
      2. barbos
        barbos 22 May 2022 23: 27
        0
        Quote: gridasov
        in a solenoid, the higher the current, the higher the self-inductance
        not quite so, more precisely not at all))) In a solenoid, the inductance is determined by its design, like the capacitance of a capacitor. But the EMF of self-induction is proportional to both current and inductance. In fact, it is the very return that many commentators are looking for))) This EMF of self-induction can reach very large values. On household DC relays, values ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbcan reach several kilovolts, so it is quenched by high-voltage diodes connected in parallel in opposite directions. In this prodigy, most likely an assembly of high-voltage diodes and quenching resistors.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 23 May 2022 00: 12
          0
          The mathematical model of the distribution of magnetic force fluxes in the coils, taking into account linear force magnetic fluxes in combination with spin rotating magnetic fluxes, absolutely accurately shows the causes of self-induction. Therefore, the issues of capacitive parameters in the inductor have a slightly different justification. In doing so, I am talking about a clean process without additional adjustments by other electrical devices. Hence, the inductor with minimized self-inductance processes has a fundamentally different design.
          1. barbos
            barbos 24 May 2022 17: 23
            0
            Hence, the inductor with minimized self-inductance processes has a fundamentally different design.

            The fact is that there is no term on self-inductance))


            Well, maybe
            https://otvet.mail.ru/question/9970282
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 24 May 2022 20: 44
              0
              You just need to understand the causes of inertia, self-induction, etc.
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 March 2022 06: 30
    +4
    I have been interested in science fiction since childhood ... Any idea has the right to exist, if it does not contradict the laws of nature and can be implemented with minimal (acceptable) costs ...
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 07: 30
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I have been interested in science fiction since childhood.

      Good morning, Yuri Vasilyevich. I, too, experience, only in this case, all this is not so fantastic. All parts for this weapon are already there. There is a magnetroe of explosive pumping. New materials for creating coils have already been created. There is nothing to say about rifles - there are excellent Lobanov rifles. What is missing and what remains to be done: Calculate the firing time of the explosive solenoid and create a processor that would provide the desired response time. Calculate the required explosion force and magnetron wall thickness. Considering that now synchrophasotrons have been created on which the inclusion of magnets accelerating particles is measured in millionths of a second, then this is not a problem either. So it's not that fantastic. There was simply no order and no one seemed to think of it.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 March 2022 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        So it's not that fantastic. There was simply no order and no one seemed to think of it.

        I do not argue. Only funds for useful research in our country are disproportionately less than for ostentatious events, advertising and various political chatter.
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 08: 40
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Only funds for useful research in our country are disproportionately less than for ostentatious events, advertising and various political chatter.

          And I won't argue with that. Although ... I know, for example, from my own university, how much one of our departments received for the development of a binary alloy for containers for storing radioactive waste ... many, many millions. But there is no doubt that even more should be given to science!
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 March 2022 09: 04
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            And I won't argue with that.

            And you don't need:
            In 2021, 486,1 billion rubles will be allocated for scientific research and development for civilian purposes, follows from the explanatory note to the draft federal budget for the next three years. This is 6,3% (or 32,8 billion rubles) less than planned at the end of 2019 when the previous budget was approved.
            For 2022, it is planned to reduce appropriations for civilian research and development by 4,8% compared to pre-crisis projects, to 514,4 billion rubles.

            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/06/10/2020/5f7b372b9a7947fe8e8d644f
            Or here are the top priorities:
            The Government has proposed an 11,8% increase in allocations under the budget subsection “Functioning of the President of the Russian Federation” in 2021 compared to pre-pandemic plans. This is stated in the draft federal budget for 2021-2023.
            Expenses under this subsection will amount to almost 27,5 billion rubles next year. In 2022, they will be at the level of about 27 billion rubles. (7,7% more than originally expected).
            As part of this subsection, about 149 million rubles will go annually to the "maintenance and functioning" of the president. About 14,8 billion rubles in 2021 - to ensure the functioning of the presidential administration.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/finances/01/10/2020/5f74ed909a7947262e66cc40
            Yes, to hell with it - this science would not knock ... It will be necessary - they will still get developments from Soviet zagashniks. There, enthusiasts (marching to their march) came up with ideas for many years to come ...
            lol
      2. Mister X
        Mister X 20 March 2022 08: 29
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        it's not that fantastic

        Good morning.
        Photos of the product do not seem to be found anywhere else.
        By chance, not your homemade?
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 10: 50
          +4
          Well done isn't it? When I was filming, a man walking by asked me not to shoot in urban areas under any circumstances - "And you never know what!" And when the shutter twitched, he would speed up the course ...
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 20 March 2022 11: 05
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            Well done isn't it?

            Yes, this is not a crossbow for you from boards and tubes to bungle
            Or a prototype made of plastic tubes

            Quote: kalibr
            a man walking by asked me not to shoot in urban areas under any circumstances

            Well, at least he didn't tell the police wink

            Quote: kalibr
            And when the shutter twitched, he would speed up the course ...

            Do not shoot white swans
            1. kalibr
              20 March 2022 11: 18
              +3
              Quote: Mister X
              Well, at least he didn't tell the police

              Can you imagine how interesting that would be? To be honest, I even regretted that he did not.
              Quote: Mister X
              Or a prototype made of plastic tubes

              Once, someone here on VO posted a photo of such a rifle made of pipes, which, for the sake of advertising, stood in a store of related goods. Of course, it was more funny than "natural", but in general I liked the idea, as well as the A-shaped bipod on the Lobanov rifle. There are actually two transverse mounts for rigidity. But this is a trifle. By the way, it has good ergonomics. He lay with her on the carpet ... But he did not lie down in the snow. Ahead is another such homemade product and there are thoughts for two more. And everything seems to be there ... The jug of thoughts shows the bottom.
              By the way, about vigilant citizens: in 1995, I had a series of programs on local TV - Weapons of Victory. Well, one was about bottles of fuel and directly from our museum, and I showed them from the funds. And what would you think? A certain woman immediately called the FSB and said that I was teaching people bad things. And they were just watching this program ... Well, they laughed. And I was there and the book, most importantly, showed "Weapons of Victory". But... she didn't see it.
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 20 March 2022 11: 38
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                A certain woman immediately called the FSB and reported

                The lady is clearly from the category "Better to be safe."
                Do you know how many calls she made in her life?
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 11: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Mister X
                  Do you know how many calls she made in her life?

                  I don't know, and I don't know anything about her. They just called me directly on TV and told me about the fact. On the one hand, it's even good ...
                  1. Mister X
                    Mister X 20 March 2022 14: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: kalibr
                    I don't know anything about her

                    Surely back in the 80s she reported on neighbors and colleagues
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 20 March 2022 16: 57
                      +3
                      "But one day I met a fellow traveler,
                      I'll tell you about him - get acquainted ... "(c)



                      Good afternoon, Mikhail. smile
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 March 2022 17: 16
                        +2
                        But one day I met a fellow traveler,
                        I'll tell you about him - get acquainted ... "(c)

                        "The fifty-eighth is given an article,
                        "Nothing, they say, you are so young!",
                        If I knew with whom I am going, with whom I drink vodka,
                        He would fucking drive to Vologda "(C)
                        Hi Uncle Kostya!
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 March 2022 17: 21
                        +3
                        Hello Anton! smile
                        And about the Gauss gun, somehow it didn’t impress me in Stalker, I preferred to run around the zone with AKM. wink
                        PS And I really liked the plumbing sniper you posted, people have a sense of humor. good laughing
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 March 2022 17: 45
                        +2
                        1. Eh, Uncle Kostya, you are not a "doomer" at all! Here "BFG-9000" is a thing!
                        2. To be honest, this is a pathetic piece of fun plastic. In St. Petersburg, in one of the stores of the Metizy chain, there was a similar model made in metal, that is, from chrome-plated brass. That one was impressive! It's a pity I didn't take a picture at the time, and the store has already closed.
                        3. "A long time ago, in a distant galaxy, there was an arms company" Shpakovsky Arm's Ltd ". They made "Gauss guns" for suckers, and for real boys - pipe blasters!"
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 March 2022 17: 58
                        +2

                        What a nightmare! wassat Even for Bloomer. laughing drinks
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 March 2022 18: 15
                        +2
                        No, but what? For those years, cyberspace was quite a promising wave.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 March 2022 18: 58
                        +2
                        I played Fallout a hundred years ago, I don't remember anymore. request
                      7. kalibr
                        20 March 2022 18: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        A long time ago, in a distant galaxy, there was a weapons company "Shpakovsky Arm's Ltd". They made "Gauss guns" for suckers, and for real boys - pipe makers! "

                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 20 March 2022 12: 12
                +4
                Once, someone here on VO posted a photo of such a rifle made of pipes, which, for the sake of advertising, stood in a store of related goods.
                I can post again.
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 13: 24
                  +4
                  You see, Anton, what is the use of your comments for me. I have long wanted to make a model of such a rifle. I drew several options. But I got down to business only after seeing your photo!
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 20 March 2022 17: 21
                    +2
                    You see, Anton, what is the use of your comments for me.
                    "- You see, Andy, - said Sam, slowly starting to brush Gailey's horse. - I'm a wonderful person, because I have such a habit of noticing everything. This is very important for Andy. And I advise you too: develop this habit in yourself with Well, lift her leg up, Andy. So, Andy, some blacks are wonderful and some are not. That's the whole difference. Haven't I noticed in the morning where the wind is blowing? Mrs. ought to, although she did not say a word about it? So, I, Andy, are wonderful. There is nothing to be done - talent! Different people have different talents - some have more, others less, but diligence can achieve a lot. "(with )
                    1. kalibr
                      20 March 2022 18: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      much can be achieved with diligence

                      ++++++++++++++++++++++
      3. Alien From
        Alien From 20 March 2022 08: 43
        +3
        Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich! Interesting as always) a breath of fresh air in this information carousel hi
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 20 March 2022 16: 47
      +3
      I have had an interest in science fiction since childhood.


      Well, Yuri, then you certainly know that the problem of the "Gauss gun" was solved long ago and quite successfully. laughing



      Now, having captured the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, it remains only to establish production here, but with the stigma of the Kalashnikov concern. fellow bully
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 20 March 2022 06: 33
    +4
    it could only be seduced by our military leaders like Tukhachevsky, and people's commissars like Ordzhonikidze

    Well, who is Ordzhonikidze compared to Shpakovsky! Some kind of illiterate people's commissar, who did all that he created the heavy industry of the USSR. Whether it's Shpakovsky. Will write another pa ... i.e. an ambiguous article about the USSR and good.
    ps by the way. The author of the article is oh so far from the popularity of the writer Kazantsev ...
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 07: 22
      +4
      Dear Viktor! You have chosen a very good pseudonym. Because these are the people who don't think when they write. Did Orlzhonikidze lead the creation of industry? Yes, he led. But with education, he really had a hard time. And the losses with which this industrialization was carried out in our country, and everything else, is known. So what are you standing up for? For making important decisions by "faithful", but not competent people? We go further, in the days of these science fiction writers in the USSR could be counted on the fingers. And there are very few of those who connected the party line with science fiction, he, Adamov, and even Lagin. There is no competition. Now only on the site author. today there are 35 thousand authors, and many of them have not one book, but ten. The competition is very big. Not without reason earlier circulations of books were in 100 thousand copies. And now 5 thousand is already the limit, and circulations of 2-3 thousand are coming out. So there is no need A: to elevate to the absolute what took place in the dead country, B - it is somewhat better to know the situation on that "field of play" about which going to write. In this particular case, on the field of scientific literature.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 20 March 2022 07: 47
        0
        he, Adamov, and even Lagin.

        "Red Count" with Aelita and Hyperboloid you do not attribute to writers?
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 08: 33
          +2
          Quote: Amateur
          "Red Count" with Aelita and Hyperboloid you do not attribute to writers?

          Why do you think so? It doesn't matter, even if Belyaev is added to it - 35 thousand. won't pick up. God bless ten. Belyaev even had to write an article about our science fiction as about poor Cinderella. Moreover, the same Tolstoy, and Belyaev, wrote until 1941, and Kazantsev's first book was published in 1940 on the pages of Pionerskaya Pravda. So both Tolstoy and Belyaev were no longer competitors to him.
  6. Whowhy
    Whowhy 20 March 2022 06: 41
    +1
    Well, blowing something up under one's nose is not at all "camille", but putting such a "stray" on a drone or rocket, it seems to me, is already quite realistic. First, you just need to decide on worthy goals ....
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 07: 39
      +2
      Quote: whowhy
      to put such a "stray" on a drone or a rocket, it seems to me, is already quite realistic.

      Already placed. At least in the United States, a missile with a magnetron was tested to disable enemy electronic equipment. I had an article about this on the site Pravda.ru. You can view...
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy 20 March 2022 07: 47
        0
        Well, we are talking about a railgun, and not a magnetron, as such. wink
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 08: 31
          +1
          Quote: whowhy
          Well, we are talking about a railgun, and not a magnetron, as such.

          Relstron is a thrower. Magnetron - generator.
          1. Whowhy
            Whowhy 20 March 2022 11: 29
            0
            Oh really? good
            1. kalibr
              20 March 2022 11: 58
              0
              A railgun (English railgun - rail gun) is an electromagnetic mass accelerator that accelerates a conductive projectile along two metal guides using the Ampere force. - Vicki.
              This design gives the magnetron the ability to generation Microwave Radiation - Wiki
              A device capable of generating - a generator!
              1. Old Michael
                Old Michael 20 March 2022 14: 06
                +4
                Good day, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
                It seems that you really liked the word "Magnetron"! laughing
                Although this device is absolutely not suitable for the role of an electromagnet / solenoid, because with a reasonable size of the resonator chambers, the frequency of the generated EMF will not be lower than 0,5 GHz (this is a fundamental physical limitation).
                The mechanical analogy of the magnetron is a police whistle, only in the magnetron a swirling flow of electrons, not air, resonates, and therefore the oscillations are generated electromagnetic (moreover, microwave), and not acoustic. For those interested in details - an article in the Great Russian Encyclopedia (https://bigenc.ru/technology_and_technique/text/2152377).
                The second fundamental physical limitation of solenoid structures is the impossibility of the transition of a substance into a superconducting state when exposed to a magnetic field. So the Gauss gun is doomed to low efficiency with any tricks.
                However, it is still possible to create an effective electromagnetic weapon. The same railgun does not rest on such restrictions. There are problems of a different nature - energy and technological. But in principle they are solvable.

                Yours faithfully,
                hi
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 15: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: OldMichael
                  The second fundamental physical limitation of solenoid structures is the impossibility of the transition of a substance into a superconducting state when exposed to a magnetic field. So the Gauss gun is doomed to low efficiency with any tricks.
                  However, it is still possible to create an effective electromagnetic weapon. The same railgun does not rest on such restrictions.

                  And good day to you and what is left of it. I read about it ...
                2. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 20 March 2022 19: 38
                  +1
                  There are problems of a different nature - energy and technological. But in principle they are solvable.
                  Quite right. I dealt with a railgun at the branch of IFVTRAN 15 years ago. A good thing. It is indispensable as a stand for testing anti-meteorite protection for spacecraft.
                  1. Old Michael
                    Old Michael 20 March 2022 20: 16
                    +1
                    Sergey, good evening to you!

                    A good thing. It is indispensable as a stand for testing anti-meteorite protection for spacecraft.

                    Not only.
                    The potential of such structures stems precisely from the absence of fundamental restrictions for converting available types of energy into the kinetic energy of the projectile. Well, technologies (including in the energy sector) have room to develop.
                    hi
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 20 March 2022 20: 50
                      +1
                      Not only.
                      Yes, who would argue, of course so. In barrel systems (and the railgun belongs to them), the speed of the object being thrown is determined by the molar mass of the products that carry out the throwing. Therefore, the so-called light gas guns have been used as experimental stands for 70 years, where the model under study is ejected by hydrogen or helium compressed by the previous stage.
                      1. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 20 March 2022 21: 31
                        +1
                        the speed of the thrown object is determined by the molar mass of the products that carry out the throwing.

                        +++++++
                      2. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 20 March 2022 21: 53
                        +1
                        Such a light-gas gun is, for example, at the Institute of Mechanics of Moscow State University, where the KS-19 anti-aircraft gun is used as the first stage, and a set of barrels that are already filled with hydrogen or helium are used as the second stage.
                      3. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 20 March 2022 22: 23
                        +1
                        Such a light gas gun is, for example, at the Institute of Mechanics of Moscow State University

                        There are a lot of amazing things at MSU.
                        But alas, Sergey, ballistics in general and internal ballistics in particular are not my forte (at all), although I can imagine the principles of using a light gas gun not only in a weapon application, but also as shock-wave loading systems for the structures and materials under study.
                        However, this topic is likely beyond the scope of the forum.
                        But I am very glad that there are people who are seriously and for the future dealing with such issues.
                        Good luck to you!
                        hi
                      4. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 21 March 2022 09: 11
                        +2
                        Shock wave loading is a whole area of ​​great interest. The pictures are very impressive when whole pieces break out from the back of the sample without breaking through - the result of wave interference in it. Good luck to you too!
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              3. Whowhy
                Whowhy 20 March 2022 14: 35
                +2
                Actually, the electroexplosive magnetic generator (EVMG) has nothing to do with the magnetron. No.
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 15: 23
                  -2
                  Quote: whowhy
                  electroexplosive magnetic generator (EVMG

                  True, but instruments are often given... "names they like." Well, try to quickly say EVMG ... "Give me EVMG" ... well, no one will say that. Or an electromagnetic generator. And "magnetron" is essentially incorrect, but a short and capacious name.
                  1. Whowhy
                    Whowhy 21 March 2022 14: 53
                    +1
                    Well, I’m reminded of grandfather Shchukar from the Quiet Don, who found a piece of an explanatory dictionary and molested Nagulny (almost wrote to Navalny) lol with their interpretations: "What is a" curb "? I'm thinking that this is a walking girl" .... laughing
                    1. Whowhy
                      Whowhy 22 March 2022 10: 42
                      0
                      True, this is from "Virgin Soil Upturned", but do not judge strictly - I read it about 50 years ago .... fellow
  7. Monar
    Monar 20 March 2022 07: 03
    +2
    A suppressor is put on the end of the barrel at the muzzle
    And how can a protective diode reduce the volume of the shot and extinguish the flame? Or is there something like RB1 genes put?
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 07: 36
      +1
      Alexey! And who told you that this is a diode? There are other meanings of this word. We open the Internet and read: Quick response
      Suppressor (in domestic terminology - "low-noise firing device" (PMS), "tactical silencer-flash suppressor") - military version, involves firing with conventional supersonic cartridges and bursts; it provides less, but often not very unnecessary noise reduction, and also eliminates the muzzle flash that unmasks the arrow and at the same time acts as a muzzle compensator
      .https://wht.ru/notes/budushchee_za_supressorom.html
      And in general, before writing a comment, look on the Internet, where you can easily resolve all your perplexities.
      1. Monar
        Monar 20 March 2022 08: 10
        +3
        A suppressor is a semiconductor device, a voltage limiter. From the same Internet and acquaintance with such in my line of work.
        Well, personal opinion. If there is already Russian terminology, then it should be used in an article in Russian on a Russian site.
        1. kalibr
          20 March 2022 08: 28
          0
          Quote: Monar
          If there is Russian terminology, then it should be used in an article in Russian on a Russian site.

          The terminology used is that used by those skilled in the art. In this case, the military. You know the name of the site.
          1. Monar
            Monar 20 March 2022 09: 00
            +3
            And experts do not use the term PMS? They themselves wrote
            in domestic terminology
            1. kalibr
              20 March 2022 10: 51
              0
              Quote: Monar
              They themselves wrote
              in domestic terminology

              I didn't write this. This is a phrase from the internet. And why write three words when you can write one? The suppressor is widely used in our country too: see articles on the Internet and on ... IN!
              1. Monar
                Monar 20 March 2022 11: 47
                +2
                There is a lot of writing on the internet. There is a term. Domestic. PBBS, PBS or just a muffler. And all three options are one word. “One should not multiply things unnecessarily.”
                1. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 12: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Monar
                  just a muffler

                  But a suppressor is not just a muffler. I see you don't like the term? Well, there's nothing you can do about it. In this case, what matters is what I like. Your opinion is one of thousands of readers who are satisfied with everything. I know about Occam's Razor. But it doesn't always work.
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 20 March 2022 12: 53
                    +2
                    It's not a matter of like or dislike. Can I have an excerpt from the documentation "from the warriors" where this term is mentioned?
                    1. kalibr
                      20 March 2022 13: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Monar
                      Can I have an excerpt from the documentation "from the warriors" where this term is mentioned?

                      Open the Internet and read ...
                      1. Monar
                        Monar 20 March 2022 13: 35
                        +3
                        "Open the Internet and read" is a synonym for the fact that you do not know if the term "suppressor" is in the official documents of the RF Ministry of Defense.
                      2. kalibr
                        20 March 2022 15: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Monar
                        official documents of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the term "suppressor".

                        I don't know about documents. But there are really a lot of articles where the "cat" is called "cat" on the Internet. And I have already given you an excerpt from one such material.
                2. kalibr
                  20 March 2022 12: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Monar
                  There is a lot of writing on the internet.

                  A lot doesn't mean wrong.
                3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 12: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: Monar
                  There is a lot of writing on the internet. There is a term. Domestic. PBBS, PBS or just a muffler. And all three options are one word. “One should not multiply things unnecessarily.”

                  These are three similar but essentially different devices.
                  PBBS - silent flameless shooting device.
                  PBS - silent shooting device.
                  PMS is a low-noise firing device.
                  The latter is used on machine guns under a rifle cartridge. There, God forbid, it is trite to reduce the shock wave from the shots.


                  Low-noise firing devices.
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 20 March 2022 12: 50
                    +3
                    Thanks for the clarification.
                    But something tells me that the term "suppressor" is absent in modern domestic regulations, instructions, warehouse and technical documentation. And the English "suppressor" does not fully reflect the purpose of devices that are different from each other.
                    1. kalibr
                      20 March 2022 13: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Monar
                      in modern domestic charters-manuals, warehouse and technical documentation, the term "suppressor" is absent.

                      For now, yes. Bye...
                      1. Monar
                        Monar 20 March 2022 13: 47
                        +4
                        Here you go. Why drag literary (albeit kind of beautiful) terms to VO? I've seen "shutter driver" instead of "return spring" before.
                      2. kalibr
                        20 March 2022 15: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Monar
                        I have already met the "gate driver"

                        The driver hardly fits the spring. A suppressor is a word that is used more and more often. So why not use it. Capacious and exhaustive.
                      3. Monar
                        Monar 20 March 2022 16: 00
                        +2
                        What does it mean that the driver is unlikely to fit? Tomorrow they will start using more and more. Capacious and exhaustive. :)
                        Kote pane Kohanka mentioned three similar devices. This, in my humble opinion, should be the level of VO. And not a "beautiful" word from the English language ..
                      4. kalibr
                        20 March 2022 18: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Monar
                        And not a "beautiful" word from the English language ..

                        A kid in wet shoes stomped on a trample on a disgrace! - we've been through this before.
                    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 13: 33
                      +4
                      English terminology is more used in describing airguns.
                      We have our own school, which is rather original.
                      For example, in an article before last, Vyacheslav Olegovich wrote that the British, when describing short-barreled automatic weapons, preferred to call them self-loading. In fact, this approach is also characteristic of the domestic weapons school, which, unlike the continental one, distinguishes between self-loading and automatic weapons. As an example, we can cite the fact that ours use the distance between the fields when determining the caliber of small arms, in a number of countries they take as a basis the bore between the rifling or the caliber of the ammunition.
                      There are enough such nuances, but when working with materials on the Internet, “foreign turns” pop up dug up. So he personally came across that Google translator is trying to use a “cylinder” instead of a drum, and a “store” instead of a “clip”.


                      Izh-61 with a suppressor.

                      Izhik with a moderator.
                      In fact, both devices perform only one role - they allow the bullet to more “smoothly” get off the rifling.
                      But the names "marketing" caress the ear of the buyer and soil the booklets of the seller!!!
                  2. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 20 March 2022 19: 31
                    +2
                    There, God forbid, it is trite to reduce the shock wave from the shots.
                    A classic barreled weapon has two shock waves - a muzzle, the actual sound of a shot, and a ballistic one - a shock wave from a supersonic bullet (projectile). Fight with one and the other in different ways.
                    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 20: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      There, God forbid, it is trite to reduce the shock wave from the shots.
                      A classic barreled weapon has two shock waves - a muzzle, the actual sound of a shot, and a ballistic one - a shock wave from a supersonic bullet (projectile). Fight with one and the other in different ways.

                      I did not delve into the physics of the "shot". In special weapons, even the sound of mechanics is taken into account.
                      By the way, just because of the noise, I don’t like to shoot at shooting ranges and from covered positions of shooting ranges.
                      Ear strain is horrendous.
                      As for silencers, the best Vintorez complex is Val. Although it must be understood that it is "subsonic", and the integrated silencer is an order of magnitude better than any external bank.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 20 March 2022 20: 55
                        +2
                        Well, this is another level, the very last one is to get rid of the clang of the shutter. At one time, a picture of a shot fired at me - the gas-dynamic structure of the outflow from the barrel of combustion products and a rocket launch with a strongly underexpanded engine jet are absolutely similar.
                      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2022 04: 35
                        +1
                        You know better!
                        Personally, having become interested in jet engines in the 2000s, it was very difficult and with a creak to accept the mechanism of operation and design of a fan turbine. It seems that the drawings are cut in front of the eyes, the description of the specialist is under them, but in the head the dynamics itself does not add up.
                        With the physics of a shot from a firearm, it is easier. Although I must admit the theoretical part was firmly hammered into me at HSE.
                        Regarding the clang of the shutter. When firing from
                        Vintorez, you can hear the “bang” and the clang of the ejected cartridge case! Moreover, the noise is comparable to a shot from an air rifle, even quieter.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 21 March 2022 09: 21
                        +1
                        it was difficult and with a creak to accept the mechanism of operation and design of the turbine of the fan type.
                        The mechanism there is simple - to take some of the energy (or almost all) from the flow to rotate the compressor or the main rotor of the helicopter (when almost all is taken). The compressor is needed to ensure the process of fuel combustion, therefore, for high speeds, where there is enough compression in the air intake, the compressor (and turbine) is not needed at all, they are dispensed with by a ramjet engine. But then you need to pre-disperse the device.
  8. riwas
    riwas 20 March 2022 07: 42
    +1
    And more is not needed if, for example, fire is fired at combat aircraft taking off from some remote airfield. Or - according to the engines of the VIP aircraft, they are also on takeoff.

    It is still far from practical implementation, but who knows what awaits this idea in the future. But in reality, for such purposes today there are ATGMs and MANPADS.
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: riwas
      But in reality, for such purposes today there are ATGMs and MANPADS

      Which have a big drawback: weight and unmasking flames and smoke. In addition, their combat units today have already learned how to intercept. Even mortar mines of 120-mm caliber are already being intercepted with less or more success. In Israel, they are actively engaged in this, by the way. A steel bullet flying at a speed of 7 km / h cannot be intercepted.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 24 March 2022 21: 40
        +1
        . A steel bullet flying at a speed of 7 km / h cannot be intercepted.

        wassat unless a wheelchair user catches up wassat
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 March 2022 08: 30
    +1
    Vyacheslav hi , well, as an energy source, you can use an atomic battery, compact samples have long existed. Only, if the speed of the projectile is hypersonic, and you don’t find a way to shield it with plasma, but after a couple of seconds it evaporates from banal friction in the dense surface layers of the atmosphere. In addition, the barrel will become disposable, acceleration to hypersonic should be along the entire length of the barrel so that the ammunition does not quickly slow down in flight. And, then the barrel, if it withstands a shot, is simply deformed in the process of natural cooling. Forced cooling, for example, with liquid nitrogen circulating in a sealed thin-walled tube under high pressure will only allow the barrel to be used for a few more shots. The idea is good, but a working sample of such a weapon will cost too much, and a considerable number of problems will surface during operation!
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      And, then the barrel, if it withstands a shot, is simply deformed in the process of natural cooling.

      No. I asked physicists. Won't make it. It will heat up like a normal shot.
    2. kalibr
      20 March 2022 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      but a working sample of such a weapon will cost too much

      That is why it is offered for special operations, when the price of weapons does not matter!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 March 2022 16: 50
        0
        They do not appear, you have to be born with them! laughing
    3. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 21 March 2022 11: 24
      -1
      Instead of atomic batteries, batteries from screwdrivers are well suited
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 March 2022 10: 17
    +2
    Where did Vyacheslav get sabotage inclinations? belay
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Where did Vyacheslav get sabotage inclinations?

      Read my novels more and you will find something else in them ...
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 March 2022 12: 31
        +3
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Where did Vyacheslav get sabotage inclinations? belay

        If Penza runs out of beer, we will know who is to blame!!!
        Although, Vyacheslav Olegovich periodically hangs all the "dogs" from the collapse of the "Union" to the "fall of the Russian Empire" !!! laughing
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 March 2022 10: 31
    +2
    Well, EMP Gun projects have been offered with enviable constancy (and regularity!) for a very long time! yes What was not offered! fool Of course, the most "popular" bombs and shells were projected on the principle of an "explosive magnetic generator"! recourse Yes, so far, and "the stone flower has not come out"! No.
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Yes, so far, and "the stone flower has not come out"!

      So with the thermonuclear station, there are no breakthroughs so far. But they do it step by step.
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 March 2022 11: 36
    +3
    Vyacheslav, I think that this is an unnecessarily expensive and complicated solution. An explosion generator is a rather expensive device, with it the SV will become even more cumbersome, its single use is also not buzzing.
    In fact, it is equivalent to a sleeve, because it is disposable, only a sleeve, even an extra-large caliber, will seem small against its background. It seems to me that for shooting at such distances it is best to use small rockets or guided missiles - the distances will be comparable + there will be the possibility of adjustment. Of course, the unmasking factor is a minus of such a solution - but on the other hand, the linear dimensions of such a device and the great primitiveness of the launcher would make it possible to work with it in an automatic or semi-automatic version.

    As long as there is no room superconductivity, Gauss will be a toy.
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 12: 05
      +2
      First of all, I didn’t give you a minus! And secondly, yes, that's right. But... who knows how things can turn out... in the heads and authorities. Even just thinking about it - "it will work, it won't work" is already +, because it develops brains!
    2. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 21 March 2022 11: 20
      -1
      And yet this toy can be shot. And make it easier than a gunshot. And there is no recoil (I'm talking about the Gauss electromagnetic gun)
  13. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 20 March 2022 13: 53
    +2
    "There is a traveling magnetic field of colossal intensity, which can easily accelerate the bullet to a speed of 5-7 km / s, that is, to hypersonic speed. In this way, it will fly a distance of five kilometers in just one second," The author forgets a small detail - the friction force is proportional to the square of the speed. Those. the net effect of friction/air resistance at the same distance will be highly dependent on speed. A bullet will not fly 5 km in 1 second. It will not fly 5 km at all, it will be erased by the air. At best, she will simply lose her lethal power at such a distance.
    1. igor_sabadah
      igor_sabadah 20 March 2022 14: 38
      +1
      It also made me laugh that no one will understand where they are shooting from, but there the track will be like from a meteor :)
      1. kalibr
        20 March 2022 15: 33
        +1
        Recently filmed the flight of a hypersonic Dagger. It glows itself, but there is no trail behind it like from a meteor. Look, there are photos on the Internet.
    2. Nikolay Sayenko
      Nikolay Sayenko 22 March 2022 08: 34
      +1
      most likely it will turn into a drop of molten metal, but if it is covered with Teflon ... lol
    3. barbos
      barbos 22 May 2022 23: 48
      0
      the force of friction is proportional to the square of the speed
      Kind of like a cube of speed. This is often mentioned in the automotive industry, when you accelerate a car from 10 km/h to 100 km/h, the resistance increases a thousand times. Only this resistance strongly depends on the profile of the projectile being thrown. If it is a uranium crowbar with a tungsten tip, then another conversation turns out about lethal force and friction against air.
  14. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 20 March 2022 13: 59
    +1
    Quote: kalibr

    So with the thermonuclear station, there are no breakthroughs so far. But they do it step by step.

    So after all, they worked with the philosopher's stone and with the perpetual motion machine for a long time, although there were no breakthroughs. There have been and will be many dead ends in scientific and technological development.
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 15: 31
      0
      Quote from Scientist
      There have been and will be many dead ends in scientific and technological development.

      So this will be one of them!
  15. Nikodim
    Nikodim 20 March 2022 17: 30
    0
    Ehh, as I remember, dozens, no, even hundreds of hours of hiking through the wastelands of Northern California with a Gauss at the ready in the second Fallout ...
    Go run something again, shake, so to speak, old
  16. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 20 March 2022 19: 23
    +2
    in honor of the German scientist Karl Gauss, who laid the foundations for the entire mathematical theory of electromagnetism.
    In fact, Maxwell laid the foundation for the theory of electromagnetism with his four equations. Gauss worked in this area, but the equations are still Maxwell.
    1. kalibr
      20 March 2022 19: 37
      0
      Here, Sergey, I generally pass - I took the phrase from the Internet only slightly changing it. And about "Maxwell's Equation" I know only from the NF story of Anatoly Dneprov.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 20 March 2022 19: 45
        +4
        took the phrase from the Internet only slightly changed.
        Vyacheslav, when my students at the exam, instead of solving problems, give out garbage from the Internet (I allow everyone to use them), I first analyze their mistakes, and then I say that ignoramuses like themselves pour garbage on the Internet. And then I propose to solve a simple problem on this topic, which I just invented (of course, it is not on the Internet). I mean, the Internet is a place where everything is. Well, like a dump.
        1. Old Michael
          Old Michael 20 March 2022 20: 29
          +4
          when my students at the exam, instead of solving problems, give out garbage from the Internet (I allow everyone to use them), I first analyze their mistakes, and then I say that ignoramuses like themselves pour garbage on the Internet. And then I propose to solve a simple problem on this topic, which I just invented (of course, it is not on the Internet).

          I sincerely hope that, thanks to you, at least 3-5 intelligent specialists will come out of hundreds of students who will be able to use the acquired knowledge properly. More will come out - honor and praise to you!
          hi
        2. kalibr
          20 March 2022 21: 36
          -2
          Quote: Aviator_
          I mean, the Internet is a place where everything is. Well, like a dump.

          I also allowed mine to use the Internet. And yes, everything is there. There are many such places. The Bible has everything, in the PSS of V.I. Lenin ... you can find anything.
  17. Daddy pig
    Daddy pig 21 March 2022 02: 44
    +1
    As before, the most terrible weapon invented by the author is his articles ...
    Mercilessly incinerates the brains of everyone who has studied at least 9 classes in high school
    1. kalibr
      22 March 2022 19: 44
      0
      Have you read all 1650? Yes, you are just a genius of patience!
  18. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 22 March 2022 08: 30
    0
    By the way, Kazantsev designed work on unmanned aircraft in "The Burning Island" .... he was a smart comrade! good
    1. kalibr
      22 March 2022 19: 46
      0
      Yes, there he has a squadron of heroes of the Soviet Union operating on radio fighters.
  19. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 24 March 2022 21: 31
    +2
    Quote: igor_sabadah
    The recoil will not go anywhere from this, physics doesn’t care what to throw with gunpowder or a magnetic field

    You won a lot of pluses, and minus me wassat
    During a chemical reaction, powder gases push out a bullet, a gun, respectively, moves in the opposite direction.
    In a railgun, the coil and the projectile are mutually attracted to each other. With the same mass, the return is 0.0%. But if in the mass they differ a thousand times .. what
    There is every chance to fly away to the target along with a projectile and a gun, or to get an injury incompatible with life with a butt in a jug. wassat
    We collected it, shot it, I'm not talking from words
    1. kalibr
      25 March 2022 06: 00
      0
      Quote: igorbrsv
      but to me minus

      Not mine! My - + (and not one!). And there are a lot of fools!
  20. Electrical
    Electrical 8 May 2022 08: 23
    0
    The fiction is good, but in fact it is almost zero!
    1. agond
      agond 17 May 2022 20: 04
      0
      I’m embarrassed to ask, should the shooter take in the shoulder the entire recoil momentum that arose when accelerating a conventional bullet to 5 km / s?
  21. futurohunter
    futurohunter 17 May 2022 21: 12
    +1
    I didn't quite understand either. The author uses the term "magnetron", but, in fact, this is a generator of electromagnetic waves in the centimeter range. Further. There are explosive magnetic generators, but, in fact, they do not generate a magnetic field, but an electromagnetic pulse, after which they are destroyed. How is it supposed to transfer the EMF from the explosive magnetic generator to the solenoid? Won't the wires and the solenoid itself burn out corny from such a large EMF, more precisely, from the current generated by this EMF? Wouldn't it just be a one-time design? What else ... The electromagnetic pulse received from the explosive magnetic generator is too short, will it have time to disperse the bullet, taking into account its inertia and air resistance in the barrel? An explosive magnetic generator together with a solenoid can simply form an oscillatory circuit. And the EMF is also induced in the pool. It turns out a transformer. And the impulse in such a transformer will inevitably give rise to damped oscillations, which will lead to a slowdown of the bullet after acceleration. In short, the idea is cool, but in practice it is too difficult to implement. Approximately similar to the preparation of Belaz for Formula 1 races. Maybe it's better to use such an explosive magnetic generator against drones? No weak links in the form of solenoids are needed. The main thing is to successfully aim it at the drone. And, of course, it must be installed on the ground, and not in the hands of the shooter. Yes, and it’s better for the shooter to be at a distance from him, away from the “damaging factors” of the explosion
  22. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 23 May 2022 00: 25
    0
    Quote from barbos
    often mentioned in the automotive industry, when you accelerate a car from 10 km / h to 100 km / h, the resistance increases a thousand times. Only this resistance strongly depends on the profile of the projectile being thrown. If it is a uranium crowbar with a tungsten tip, then another conversation turns out about lethal force and friction against air.

    They lied to you with cars, not those speeds. The material for such projectiles must be magnetic and not electrically conductive, so a uranium crowbar with a tungsten tip will not work. Yes, and such a crowbar will burn out at such speeds. For the tips of space (and probably hypersonic) rockets, hafnium carbide is used - a very hard material that is resistant to both mechanical abrasion and oxidation (combustion) by atmospheric oxygen.