Critical damage in numbers. Ukrainian losses of the first week

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A typical result of demilitarization - it used to be a fighting vehicle of the Ukrainian army

Since February 24, the Russian armed forces have been systematically and inexorably carrying out measures for the forcible demilitarization of Ukraine. Due to precise strikes and a constant offensive, various objects are destroyed, equipment and weapons, as well as other materiel, are hit and become trophies. As a result, the potential of the Ukrainian army and its ability to resist are gradually reduced, and their restoration is no longer possible.

Recent successes


At an evening briefing on March 2, Defense Ministry spokesman General Igor Konashenkov announced the latest news, and also revealed the main results of the first week of the current Special Operation. He said that the Russian army is successfully advancing in all directions and taking control of new territories, including large cities.



Attacks on military installations, weapons and equipment continue. By the time of the briefing, since the beginning of the operation, 1533 military infrastructure facilities had been hit. This number includes 54 enemy control and communications points, 52 radar stations of various types, as well as 39 anti-aircraft systems of several models.

Enemy losses in armored vehicles were estimated at 484 units. Ukrainian artillery lost 217 guns and mortars, as well as 63 multiple rocket launchers. 336 units destroyed. automotive and special equipment.

The enemy air forces were left without several dozen aircraft. 47 units were destroyed on the ground, another 13 were shot down in flight. 47 unmanned aerial vehicles were also hit.


BTR-4. Perhaps this particular car has already been hit and burned down.

It should be noted that not all combat vehicles and objects are destroyed. As the troops of Russia, the LPR and the DPR advance, weapons and equipment abandoned by the former owners remain in the controlled territory. In addition, the Ukrainian military surrenders and hand over their equipment. Unfortunately, the number of such trophies was not reported. However, there is reason to believe that the count goes to tens or hundreds of units.

Was and gone


During the first week of fighting, the Ukrainian army suffered the most serious losses in manpower and equipment, which negatively affected its potential. At the same time, it is possible to assess what proportion of objects and materiel was destroyed - and how this affects combat capability.

Data on the state of the Ukrainian army in the recent past can be taken from the IISS The Military Balance for the past year. It reflects the indicators at the turn of 2020-21, which subsequently, before the start of demilitarization, did not change significantly. At the same time, it should be taken into account that the authors of the guide did not have access to all relevant information. In particular, they could not find out which part of the equipment and armaments had the required condition and was really fit for use.

According to TMB, at the beginning of last year, Ukraine had 858 tanks several models. The number of armored vehicles for the transport of infantry was estimated at almost 2400 units. The share of combat-ready products is unknown. The Russian army destroyed 472 armored vehicles in the first week; an unknown number were abandoned by crews. The vehicle fleet also suffered significant losses.

Thus, armored and motorized rifle units lost at least 15% of the total number of combat vehicles. However, this indicator does not take into account the actual combat readiness of equipment and abandoned samples. If it were possible to take into account these indicators, the share of losses would be higher. In addition, the actual combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian army is hit by the fact that the equipment of advanced units with the best supply and training was destroyed or captured.


The Ukrainian Air Force is almost completely destroyed

The total number of Ukrainian artillery, according to TMB, exceeded 1800 units. This number included more than 600 self-propelled guns and over 500 towed guns, 350 MLRS and various mortars. The Russian army successfully destroyed about 20% of the barrel and rocket artillery. A few more percent to this indicator will be added by captured whole samples. At the same time, we are again talking about the technology of the most combat-ready formations.

Military and object air defense were armed with approx. 400 missile systems and some other obsolete products. The basis of air defense was 322 S-300P systems and more than 70 Bukov-M1. The military defense involved the S-300V, Strela-10 and Tor products with a total of approx. 75 units The Russian army has successfully destroyed about 10% of all this equipment. In addition, fifty radar stations were knocked out, as a result of which the air defense was “blinded”, and the remaining missile systems became almost useless.

The payroll of the Ukrainian Air Force a year ago included approx. 200 units technology, including unsuitable for use. OK. 125 aircraft were tactical aviation, mainly they were MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters. There were also several dozen transport aircraft and helicopters. On the ground (mostly) and in the air, about a third of the entire fleet was destroyed. It also caused the most serious damage to unmanned aircraft, but it will not be possible to accurately assess it.

The situation around the Ukrainian Navy looks curious. Already with the first strikes, the Russian army hit several bases and damaged or destroyed several ships and boats. In the following days, new naval facilities were taken under control. As a result, the Ukrainian fleet still retains some combat units, but their use is effectively excluded. The Ukrainian Navy as a combat-ready structure no longer exists.

Additional factors


It should be recalled that the first missile strikes from the Russian side were aimed at weapons, ammunition and fuel depots, boxes with equipment and other objects. Accordingly, some of the tanks, artillery, etc. was destroyed in the first hours of the Special Operation and does not participate in further events. Whether such enemy losses are taken into account in the current statistics from the Ministry of Defense is unclear. If our military only counted the objects hit, but not the equipment in them, then the Ukrainian losses in absolute and relative figures should be even higher.

Critical damage in numbers. Ukrainian losses of the first week

British NLAW grenade launchers. As it turned out, these are future trophies

You also need to take into account that the combat effectiveness of the army depends not only on the amount of equipment, but also on stocks and logistics. The Russian army with the help of high-precision weapons successfully knocked out a lot of warehouses and destroyed stocks on them. In the near future, the enemy will be able to fully experience the shortage of fuel and "shell hunger." These factors will additionally hit his combat capability.

Losses of ammunition and fuel can be replenished by supplies from abroad. However, such measures of the recent past have already shown their futility. Foreign partners in large quantities transferred to Ukraine the most modern infantry weapons of "defensive purpose". Now these products regularly become trophies of the advancing forces. In addition, certain quantities of grenade launchers and rockets were simply destroyed along with warehouses.

In the current situation, the Ukrainian army can only rely on available weapons and equipment. There is no time and resources for the re-opening of materiel from storage. Receiving foreign aid that can change the situation is generally impossible. All this again reduces the chances of successful resistance.

From bad to worse


The process of forcible demilitarization of Ukraine in order to eliminate military risks began a little over a week ago and continues successfully. The Russian army successfully knocked out more than 1500 military installations and destroyed hundreds of pieces of equipment and weapons. This is far from all that was listed in the Ukrainian armed forces, but they have already suffered critical damage.

The combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian army is falling, but the current authorities of the country are still hoping for something and are trying to continue resistance. The consequences of this are obvious. Russia will have to continue the special operation - and the indicators of Ukrainian losses in absolute and relative numbers will continue to grow, which will soon be reported again by our Ministry of Defense.
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  1. +21
    3 March 2022 05: 17
    It is obvious that Zelensky will put off negotiations with all his might and deceive our negotiators, he will try to conclude an agreement on his own and American terms... I clearly see Blinken behind his back.
    To be honest, I'm not looking at the figures of the Ministry of Defense on the amount of equipment destroyed, but at the results of operations to destroy and capture enemy manpower.
    It is necessary to beat out the Nazis with all available means ... these Nazi commissars in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the main reason for the stubborn resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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      1. +32
        3 March 2022 06: 23
        Unfortunately, there is no war without losses ... I wish there were fewer deaths of our soldiers.

        I believe that the high losses of our forces are due to the fact that ukrobandits-Bandera are hiding among the civilian population, in schools, hospitals.

        Eternal memory to the heroes! We will win!
        1. +6
          3 March 2022 11: 15
          It remains to understand what percentage of these very Bandera among the civilian population. 1, 10, 50, 80?
      2. 0
        3 March 2022 17: 17
        Monuments of grandfathers to return in place! Restore street and city names!
    2. +7
      3 March 2022 07: 08
      When our troops crush the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when their losses increase exponentially, then they will whine about speeding up the negotiation process, and so they are engaged in "postponing the end."
      1. -1
        3 March 2022 07: 28
        First messages read:
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Nazi commissars in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the main reason for the stubborn resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

        Quote: Bearded
        Eurofascists need to be finished off.

        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I wish there were fewer deaths of our soldiers.

        They say that most users of the site understand all the nuances and problems of the special operation.
      2. 0
        4 March 2022 02: 02
        Quote: tatarin1972
        "pulling the end".

        Do you think it's an extension? fellow
    3. +1
      3 March 2022 09: 43
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is obvious that Zelensky will delay negotiations with all his might and deceive our negotiators,

      The Ukrainians have learned to "pull the ox", and they have been good at it over the past 8 years, when they were pulling the Minsk agreements and the "ceasefire" in Donbass. And the Belarusian negotiations today will not be the last and will last until Russian troops occupy all of Ukraine.
      1. +3
        4 March 2022 02: 18
        Ukrainians have learned to "pull an ox", and they have been good at it over the past 8 years
        ... Regrettably, but, besides this, for all these 8 years, talking heads from TV boxes and other resources .... have been strenuously "sowing" information into the heads of the townsfolk (to put it mildly) completely not in favor of Russia ....! And it gave thick shoots this year! And against the background of the current realities of the war (with casualties, destruction and other "charms" ...), these shoots will simply grow wildly! Very difficult now!
    4. 0
      3 March 2022 10: 47
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is obvious that Zelensky will delay negotiations with all his might and deceive our negotiators,

      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We must beat out the Nazis with all available means ...

      It is more profitable for Zelensky to make peace earlier in order to keep the same Natsyks (Benderites, Right-wingers, etc.)
      According to the mind, there would be to clean everything to the root and only then begin to negotiate.
  2. +5
    3 March 2022 05: 18
    Unfortunately, it is not without losses on our part. But even with the lies coming out of the euro and the followers of Goebbels, the loss figure differs by an ORDER!
    1. 0
      3 March 2022 09: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But even with the lies coming out of the euro and the followers of Goebbels, the loss figure differs by an ORDER!

      The Goebbels Agency exists in order to lie. Yes, the system worked perfectly. No matter how badly we talked about "Dr. Yosya", he was friends with brains.
      1. 0
        3 March 2022 09: 52
        Quote: tihonmarine
        No matter how badly we talked about "Dr. Yosya", he was friends with brains.
        I am glad that his followers are much thinner in brains.
      2. 0
        4 March 2022 10: 19
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The Goebbels Agency exists in order to lie. Yes, the system works perfectly.

        Unfortunately, on the information front, the situation for us is worse than on the military one. The West in the field of "brainwashing" has much more resources and experience. And in our country, even the "fifth column" feels quite comfortable inside the country. The authorities have only now come to their senses and began to do something in this area. Finally, we got to all sorts of "rains" and "echoes" that for many years poured tons of slop on the heads of Russian citizens. How many "bulk" brought up during this time. But in the West they don’t bother with this and close their mouths with objectionable moments.
    2. 0
      3 March 2022 11: 17
      And according to the number of Russian prisoners, it's so simple millions of times.
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    1. +5
      3 March 2022 07: 05
      Because "stoned", as you said, are a minority.
      And they live in the same cities as everyone else.
      If they collectively lived in the same city, yes, I agree, he could not be spared.
      But unlike you, our command understands that our enemy is not an ordinary hard worker from Cherkasy or Kherson. Our enemy is the national battalions and the authorities of Ukraine.
    2. +1
      3 March 2022 10: 55
      Quote: just explo
      not enough, ours had to not turn on the humanist mode, but stupidly bomb everything that is green and not ours.

      Uh-huh ... it can be even simpler - put a pair of nuclear weapons in each city. In general, there will be no losses ...
      fool
  4. +3
    3 March 2022 05: 24
    This is not a military special operation, but a full-scale war. Such a large state as Ukraine cannot be conquered by 100 thousand groups. On the offensive, the ratio of forces should be at least 3 to 1 in favor of the attackers. I think our military has a lot of surprises there.
    1. +13
      3 March 2022 06: 31
      On the offensive, the balance of forces should be at least 3 to 1 in favor of the attackers.

      Forget 80-year-old requirements. The more technologically advanced army wins. Superiority in the air allows you to reduce this multiplicity to zero. Returning to this operation, questions arise, for some reason, having superiority in the air, your command does not prevent the movement of a large nomadic group south of Kharkov?
      1. +3
        3 March 2022 07: 51
        Don’t talk nonsense, no matter how high-tech the army is, the final victory is achieved by ground forces and NOT OTHERWISE, which is why the number of personnel in Ukraine during a special operation should be greater, AT LEAST, in order to prevent the defeat of their rear columns. And so that in the future there would not be all these tanks and other armored vehicles abandoned by us, which got up either because it broke down or ran out of fuel and lubricants. You have overly high expectations about the "technological war".
        When asked why ours allow "for some reason, having air superiority, our command does not prevent the movement of a large nomadic group south of Kharkov?" I answer ... because air superiority has not yet been achieved by us, it is generally abstract, due to the fact that Ukrainian air defense systems, even based on this article, have a large number, albeit outdated, but still representing a danger to our LA complexes. And it is absolutely impossible to suppress everything. Therefore, our Air Force and army aviation are shackled, and therefore there is no air escort over the columns, from army aviation. And their Air Force, although sporadically, can still act.
        1. +1
          3 March 2022 09: 47
          no matter how high-tech the army is, the final victory is achieved by ground forces and NOT ELSE

          There was no ground operation in Yugoslavia at all. They bombed for several months and that's it.
          1. 0
            7 March 2022 11: 12
            Quote: glory1974
            There was no ground operation in Yugoslavia at all. They bombed for several months and that's it

            In Yugoslavia, they didn’t bother with the consequences. And secondly, NATO’s potential will still be more
    2. -3
      3 March 2022 07: 32
      Let me disagree with you! This is not yet a war, but a special operation! To be more precise, the initial stage of the war. What basically started it? From Putin's speech about removing US nuclear weapons from Europe, pushing NATO back to the 1997 borders, what gestures did the US make? Not! Now there is a demonstrative flogging ... Planning of actions of the RF Armed Forces and tactics "on top"! "Blitzkrieg" was not planned by anyone, the general thoughtfulness of actions and the maximum preservation of the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces, along with fairly swift actions.
      The next stage will be very interesting - how will the situation with Western Ukraine develop? Again, to save the lives of the "civilian population" at the cost of the lives of our guys, or how are the Americans used to "carpet bombing"? Stop at the border with Western Ukraine? Then there was no point in this special operation!
      The time has come for Romania and Poland to think about the existence of positional areas with Mk.41 installations ... And also for those who have US nuclear weapons in their warehouses. Psychosis has begun in Europe!
      Russia's nuclear triad has been placed on a special alert regime!
      Worrying! Impression of the current situation as "Caribbean Crisis" No. 2 ...
      1. -7
        3 March 2022 11: 38
        //Now comes the demonstrative spanking//
        Stop ... so the US and NATO need to "flog" ... And the blow to Kiev. There is an economic war against the Russian Federation, but they are hitting neighbors with a Russian-speaking population, well, how many Nazis are there - 10 percent ... The rest don’t care about politics at all ... Civilians have already been killed more than losses in the RF Armed Forces.
        1. 0
          3 March 2022 11: 52
          Quote: Shahno
          More civilians have already been killed than losses in the RF Armed Forces

          Link to the studio. Already busted.

          Here your colleague claimed that "the Russian army is inflicting point strikes hail (!!!) on residential buildings in Kharkov", however, he was unable to confirm.

          Let's see how you do.
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            1. +4
              3 March 2022 12: 48
              Quote: Shahno
              Is the Ministry of Health of Ukraine official enough?

              Everything's clear with you. It's not even funny.
              1. -5
                3 March 2022 13: 02
                Ah, clearly, fake ... well, okay. During the hostilities there, unfortunately, there are no international observers, and even if there are, no report will be given now.
                So in any case, the losses are voiced by the officials of the structure or the ministries of the parties to the conflict. Either that, or you can’t trust any numbers on both sides at all ..
                That is, until the end of the conflict, it is still a transfusion from empty to empty ..
                1. +4
                  3 March 2022 13: 05
                  Quote: Shahno
                  until the end of the conflict, it is still a transfusion from empty to empty ..

                  Exactly.

                  They never lie as much as during the war, after the hunt and before the elections.

                  That is why I try not to touch on such topics at all. And I don't recommend it to others. Yes
                  1. -5
                    3 March 2022 13: 37
                    Perhaps it doesn't need to be touched. But there is one rational grain .... All the same, you see an estimate up to the order of losses, that is, thousands or tens of thousands. It is clear that crazy fakes need to be cut off ... like 100 downed planes.
                    Again, there are objective numbers of refugees. That is, in principle, even from such dirty information, we can understand what is happening and on what scale, and where it is going.
                    1. +4
                      3 March 2022 13: 44
                      Quote: Shahno
                      But there is one rational grain...

                      There is none.

                      But the fact that there is a desire to "warm up" the situation, I willingly believe. In this model, in addition to your "thousands", the "precision strikes with the Grad" I mentioned also fit well.
                      1. -4
                        3 March 2022 14: 44
                        Yes, I counted from the available information from both sides of the loss ... I shed a tear. 2800 against 500, moreover, against layered defense, without covering the columns in the first 7 days ... where the losses of the DPR and LPR, the National Guard, did not understand, but without this data, in general, what's the point. Some kind of nonsense comes out ... and 5000, according to the Ukrainian side, is also unclear from where it was sucked out ... Both sides keep silent. It is clear that there are significant losses.
                2. +1
                  3 March 2022 17: 38
                  I agree with you on the part "you can't trust any numbers on both sides"!
                  The war is big truth and each side has its own! She's a big lie, again from both sides!
                  But believe -pravda-com-ua. this is absolutely insane!
                  1. -5
                    3 March 2022 17: 58
                    //According to the UN, in seven days, from February 24 to March 2, 2022, 227 civilians, including 15 children, were killed on the territory of Ukraine. 525 people were injured, including 28 children[7].

                    For comparison: over the past four years (2018-2021) of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, 136 civilians were killed and 577 were injured[194]//
                    Can this be trusted? How do you think?
                    1. +1
                      3 March 2022 18: 04
                      Can the UN be trusted at all? Are you sure that this was done by Russian military personnel, and not by the National Battalion, hiding behind civilians?!
                      1. -6
                        3 March 2022 18: 19
                        I don’t know about the UN, Russia is in the Security Council, so you can trust ... probably.
                        It is clear that the data is incomplete and will be adjusted upwards ...
            2. 0
              4 March 2022 01: 41
              Quote: Shahno
              Is the Ministry of Health of Ukraine official enough?

              There he is a kite looming in the window,
              He gave a sign to someone, the paramedic will tear out the wires ... (c)
          2. +1
            3 March 2022 16: 04
            on residential buildings in Kharkov," however, he was unable to confirm.

            The problem is that no confirmation is needed for the other side. They attribute all the victims and destruction to our account, at least from the logic that it was we who came to them. I spoke now with a childhood friend from Odessa. A week ago he was less aggressive, and today was a difficult conversation.
            1. -1
              3 March 2022 16: 19
              Quote: Stepan S
              The problem is that no confirmation is needed for the other side. They attribute all the victims and destruction to our account, at least from the logic that it was we who came to them

              Does it follow from this that our Israeli colleagues should not be answered in such cases?

              Quote: Stepan S
              today was a difficult conversation

              I'm sorry.
            2. -4
              3 March 2022 18: 25
              //A week ago he was less aggressive, but today he had a difficult conversation.//
              I have been talking for several days like a fish on ice.
        2. 0
          3 March 2022 17: 50
          And you know how in a lousy yard, they send the smallest and most greyhound kid to the next yard to get behind, and then they stand up for this "offended" brat! And everyone calms and supports the offended: "You are right, you are strong, but we will always help!" In the ending "tear claws"! And then, hiding behind a fence (in our case, behind a puddle), they curse and throw rotten tomatoes (in this case, sanctions).
          So the role of Ukraine and NATO with the United States is clearer? And who sent the signal?
      2. -4
        3 March 2022 16: 05
        Quote: Yngvar
        The next stage will be very interesting - how will the situation with Western Ukraine develop?

        I believe that in no way, our army will not go there. The Supreme Commander very clearly set the task: the defeat of the military machine of Ukraine. I can assume that after the defeat of the group north of Mariupol and the surrender of heavy weapons, Putin will consider the task completed and conclude a truce. Occupying the whole of Ukraine has neither the strength nor the special meaning.
        1. -1
          3 March 2022 17: 08
          Naive reasoning. Without occupation (not occupation) of the entire territory, nothing of the plan will come of it. What will not be occupied will become a springboard for conducting hostilities against us - the West will try. The only thing that can (and should) be changed is to discard "humane" considerations in advancing to Western Ukraine - one should feel sorry for one's own.
          1. -1
            3 March 2022 17: 59
            Without the occupation (not occupation) of the entire territory, nothing of the plan will work.

            Then you need to mobilize another half a million fighters and keep them for several years (or decades) in Ukraine. Is it needed?
          2. -1
            3 March 2022 23: 21
            Without the occupation (not occupation) of the entire territory, nothing of the plan will work.

            We will not be able to occupy, occupy all of Ukraine. How much strength is needed. One fuel to carry across the country, supply. We also need to set up camps for the fighters, they also need to wash and rest. I don’t see how it’s possible to get out of there so that they become loyal, and we won’t be able to stay there.
            1. -2
              4 March 2022 16: 27
              No one is going to occupy ALL of Ukraine! From 1944 to 1958, did anyone occupy it (if you do not read and listen to Bandera propaganda)?
              What was being done? Work with the population, the opening of caches, the destruction of gangs (it's a pity in 1955 Khrushchev gave amnesty to all this muck). They returned home, raised a "worthy" generation, some even retained the form of "Galicia" and caches with weapons.
              What forces? Yes, at first there were even military operations that ended with a mass clearing of forests in 1947, then special forces (including Smersh, it was a pity that they were disbanded early) got down to business, after which local cadres perfectly remember the horrors that Bandera did (even the Germans were unbearable on look at this), of course, intelligence work was carried out by the MGB (later the KGB).
              Fuel is not a problem at all! In Afghanistan, the ENTIRE contingent was provided with a high-pressure pipeline, solarium and gasoline! It's easier here - the shortest way from Belarus! By the way, the pipelines from Belarus remained intact! Yes, and not as much fuel is needed as in the offensive.
              About the loyalty of the local population. Not everyone supported the regime that was established after the coup and the arrival of Poroshenko's junta! "Mova" and in Kyiv no one knew and even rarely heard, only when the Westerners came! And to the east there are generally Russian-speaking cities, and in terms of the composition of the population, like on Noah's ark, each creature is a pair! Dnepropetrovsk, by the way, ranked first in the USSR in terms of the concentration of the Jewish population, they even jokingly called it differently ...
              What equipment of camps for fighters are you talking about? Actually, in the army language it is called a military camp, a military unit, a base, finally ... I assume that some infrastructure has remained from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, some adaptation to our standards is possible! Ours are not going to linger there, there are enough other tasks, it is easier to control the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who preferred to stop hostilities, and in some cases even "slap" a couple of Nazis. For example, as in Volnovakha "Point-U" (three times).
              Well, it is necessary to equip the "camps" for the stubborn, although it may be cheaper not to take them prisoner ...
              1. 0
                5 March 2022 11: 22
                opening caches, destroying gangs

                You linger in the past and absolutely do not own the situation for today. There will be no caches because there will be caches in every house and apartment. and there will be no population on which you can rely, for destroy it and ruthlessly from the first days, if someone decides to appear. We need something different and unique. I can't figure out what.
                1. -1
                  5 March 2022 11: 35
                  I don't claim to be an expert! If you noticed, it was about those events that were held after the Second World War! For now - only assumptions from old memory ... Naturally, there were methods of another fight against this dirty trick! Let's see!
                  1. -1
                    5 March 2022 11: 37
                    We will see!

                    we'll see, yes. This question worries me very much in terms of its solution, since I know the mood of many in the city, and precisely those who until recently drowned for Russia. Very offended. I have childhood friends there. It's getting harder and harder to talk, but we're still talking. They don't want to hear the voice of reason.
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    3. 0
      9 March 2022 13: 02
      Samara RUBP was torn off there, tomorrow the neighbor is leaving.
      1. +1
        9 March 2022 13: 06
        I am not against our operation, it is long overdue. I hope our politicians will not give up.
  5. 0
    3 March 2022 05: 42
    The question is when NATO decides to get in. And it will certainly get in. We must end with humanism in relation to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We will sort the rest after their surrender.
    1. +11
      3 March 2022 06: 14
      Both the Americans and the Germans have repeatedly stated that their intervention will lead to a full-fledged war, so no one will interfere
    2. +7
      3 March 2022 06: 24
      They will not fit under the gun of a nuclear weapon!
    3. -1
      3 March 2022 07: 37
      Quote: shinobi
      The question is when NATO decides to intervene. And it will certainly fit.

      I do not share your opinion ... Even the NATO military recognizes the high level of training of the RF Armed Forces. And they are well aware that the declaration of war by the Russian Federation (taking part against the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine) will mean that the sources of danger will receive their portion of "slaps" immediately.
      Quote: shinobi
      We must end with humanism in relation to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The rest will be sorted after their surrender.

      Here I agree. According to the law of war: either the surrender of weapons, or - the tribunal.
      It is to ensure the cleansing of the Nazis that the moratorium on the death penalty can not be used ...
    4. -1
      3 March 2022 07: 43
      In order to get into this conflict, there must be preparatory actions for the concentration of NATO troops and equipment. Nothing like that happens.
    5. +1
      3 March 2022 08: 06
      There are no suicides in NATO, do not consider them fools. Putin clearly warned them not to interfere. Who wants to start a nuclear war, where there will simply be no winners.
      1. -1
        3 March 2022 11: 44
        They are just fools. After the 90s, they believed in their invincibility. They already carried out the concentration of their strike forces, how powerful they are, another question. for Russia. We had to respond on unfavorable terms and NATO would have come in all its glory to help the defenders of the independent when they would have managed on their own. , the topic is separate. Now they are at a loss. It will pass. Then they decide to save face.
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    7. -2
      3 March 2022 23: 22
      And it will certainly fit.

      WILL NOT get in. They will then fly not only to military facilities. You can't get by with a couple of sheds.
    8. -2
      5 March 2022 11: 24
      The question is when NATO decides to intervene.

      NATO will not fit in, because they see what can happen to them, and no one will stand on ceremony with them, they will remain without light, water and sewerage in the first days. and no one canceled Hiroshima in London and Paris separately
  6. +3
    3 March 2022 05: 48
    This is all good, of course, but absolutely not enough. It will not work with a 150-strong group to defeat the Ukrainian army of 250 + SBU + teraborona + mercenaries. My personal opinion is that you can only win this "military special operation" by mobilizing! It just needs more people.
    PS And yes, not only will Ukraine not capitulate, but it will not even make concessions until it receives a serious military defeat.
    1. +10
      3 March 2022 07: 17
      It will work out.
      Because the 150 who are fighting on the part of the Russian Federation are precisely the fighters.
      and 250 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine is the total number, including accountants and waitresses in the Moscow Region.
      In reality, the number of fighters there is, well, a maximum of 80 thousand. Yes, plus the national battalions.

      The second is air on the side of the Russian Federation. For a couple of days now, it has been completely, which shows, for example, that the turntables are now escorting the columns, which was not there before because of the not completely suppressed air defense of Ukraine.
      Third - calibers and other missiles, which Ukraine practically does not have. Single launches in Taganrog, this just proves that these missiles were also knocked out from Ukraine.

      Well, and the fourth - there is a complete tactical superiority of the command of the RF Armed Forces. At all levels.

      And by the way, I completely agree that there is no need to rush. The operation to roll out the "most powerful army in Europe" is not for five or ten days. It's about a month.
      So far, I assess the progress of the forces of the RF Armed Forces extremely positively.
      I used to travel three days from the Staropromyslovsky District to the House of the Press in Grozny in the old days. Although it would seem - to walk down the street. Just... :)
      And here the guys work just amazing as well.
      1. -3
        3 March 2022 08: 03
        You are mistaken. Escort of the columns from the turntables goes where there is no resistance at all, and this is from the Donbass, in short, where our film crews can operate, for the picture and nothing more. And where there are full-fledged databases, there is not even close to it.
        1. +2
          3 March 2022 08: 08
          Strange.
          There is a video near Mariupol, there is a video of the column near Nikolaev. There is a video from Kyiv.
          Unless there is no video near Sumy and Kharkiv. But there are no columns there either, there are urban battles.
          1. -4
            3 March 2022 08: 13
            Well, just those who go to Mariupol from the Donbas side accompany them.
            If you have relevant video materials...I will be grateful if you provide them here.
            1. +4
              3 March 2022 08: 20
              those who go to Mariupol from the Donbass
              DPR forces are approaching Mariupol from the Donbass.
              They do NOT have turntables. Do you understand the difference between the forces of the Russian Federation and the LDNR?

              I’m really interested, because this is not the first time I see a misunderstanding of what really is, the police of the LPR, the DPR and the RF Armed Forces are DIFFERENT things. This is not a TV picture. These are really different formations with different command, structure and other things.
              Yes, it is clear that they work together, but these are DIFFERENT structures and their weapons are different.
              1. -7
                3 March 2022 08: 23
                Excuse me, but who told you that ONLY units of the LDNR are advancing from the Donbass!?
                So far, with the escort of the columns, I have seen only ONE video that is constantly played on TV.
                1. +1
                  3 March 2022 08: 27
                  The DPR is advancing/advancing towards Marik from the Donbass.
                  It is in a bunch of maps on the Internet. And look at the info from the head of the DPR - you will hear exactly the same thing.
                  There are no "columns of Russian troops" that are moving from the Donbass to Marik.
                  Therefore, there are no turntables that you want to see above "those who go to Mariupol from the Donbass" no. They cannot physically exist.
                  1. -4
                    3 March 2022 08: 42
                    These coloring pages that we see can draw the same as you and I (I mean that there are a lot of these cards on the internet).
                    Second ... of course, Basurin will speak for his own. Thirdly, if you are not told about something, it does not mean that it does not exist. Look carefully at the map, where is Mariupol, and where is our border with Ukraine in the place where Taganrog is. Do you really think that this SAFE corridor, where there are already friendly units of the LDNR, ours do not use for the passage of our troops and do not use this direction, to build up efforts, to storm Mariupol !? And yes, there are materials where our turntables also flew over the territory of the LDNR, and our statements that the LDNR, with the help of OUR troops, is trying to move the Armed Forces away from their cities
                    And of course it would be nice to see these videos of yours.
                    1. 0
                      3 March 2022 08: 47
                      What videos?
                      You want "those who go to Mariupol from the Donbass" to be accompanied by turntables.
                      I'm telling you for the THIRD time - this is not and cannot be.
                      Because the DPR police are coming from the Donbass side.
                      They don’t have any Ka-52s and other things.
                      1. -2
                        3 March 2022 08: 58
                        Why can't they be there!? What prevents them from being there, religion? Or is your belief in it? Or do you think that since Basurin and the RF Ministry of Defense do not tell you about this, it means that they were not there and cannot be?
                        I have a video of our helicopters flying over Donetsk from the Telegram channel, military informant.
                        Here is the link: https://t.me/milinfolive/76861
                      2. +1
                        3 March 2022 09: 17
                        For the fourth time I say: You asked for escort by turntables of columns that go from Donbass to Marik.
                        I tell you the fourth time - this is NOT. Because the DPR militia columns are moving from Donbass to Marik.
                        They do NOT have turntables.
                        Do you understand?
                        NO.

                        The fact that helicopters act in the interests of the common forces, well, the conversation is not for that, but for escorting police columns, which you asked.
                        Please don't overdo it.
                        And why Russian helicopters do not accompany the columns of the DPR or LPR is a good question, but again, outside the context of our conversation.

                        Because you yourself set the topic - where is the video of the escort of the columns to Marik from the Donbass. And I tell you and I will say - they are NOT and never will be.
                      3. -4
                        3 March 2022 11: 25
                        You seem to have lost the thread of the conversation. I talked about the fact that ours are accompanied by OUR turntables, which go from the Donbass to Mariupol. You answered me that there were none of ours there at all and began to fuss about the fact that I already did not distinguish between the forces of the LDNR and our troops. Therefore, I answered you that, firstly, there are ours there for anyone and it’s stupid to deny it, and secondly, these turntables accompany OUR columns in those safe zones where, in fact, they are not in danger, but a link to the video (if you watched of course ) I threw it off to confirm the fact that our turntables also operate from the Donbass side too!
                        And I asked for a video of helicopters, which, precisely in those places where the database is maintained, accompany and cover the rear columns.
                        Well, if not, then what can you do.
                      4. +2
                        3 March 2022 18: 48
                        1.
                        just those who go to Mariupol from the Donbass and accompany them. If you have relevant video materials...I would be grateful if you provide them here.
                        That's where it all started. These are your words.
                        2. I didn't write ANYWHERE that "ours aren't there at all." Give me such words, please, if it seems to you that I said such things.
                        I only said that the militia of the DPR is advancing from the side of the DPR. That's all. She doesn't have helicopters. That's all I said.
                        3. You asked me not to video the helicopters of the columns, but you said very directly "those who go to Mariupol from the Donbass". And I'm telling you for the fifth time - there is NO such video and there can't be. Because the DPR is advancing from the DPR, and they don't have turntables.

                        Will you explain the same thing for the sixth time or will you finally understand?
                      5. -3
                        4 March 2022 01: 29
                        Under these my words "just those who go to Mariupol from Donbass accompany them." The units of OUR Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were meant, when will you finally understand this ahh !? The fact that you are trying to prove that OUR armed forces are allegedly not coming from the Donbass, I already understood this, as well as you don’t have evidence that OUR armed forces are not there! And nowhere have I stated that the LDNR has helicopters. It's not my fault that you didn't understand what I was talking about.
                        And this is your thesis "I only said that the DPR police are advancing from the DPR. That's all. And she has NO helicopters. That's all I said." This is exactly what I refute, THAT ONLY DPR FORCES are advancing from the DPR! That is the subject of our discussion! And you are trying to prove everything to me, re-read the entire branch of our dialogue, you see, you will understand.
                        AND I REPEAT AGAIN... I didn’t ask for video footage of how the DPR soldiers were escorted by helicopters (it was you who started to explain to me what is the difference between the RF Armed Forces and the DPR units, although I knew it without you), I REQUESTED VIDEO MATERIAL FROM OTHER OPERATION SITES WHERE ALLEGEDLY FROM YOUR WORDS, OUR TURNS ARE ACCOMPANIED, AS YOU SAY, OUR COLUMNS!
          2. +2
            3 March 2022 17: 12
            You're bad at things like this. And providing the troops with everything they need is daily columns with fuel, ammunition and food. They just become the target of attacks.
      2. -3
        3 March 2022 09: 34
        Quote: Denis812
        It will work out.
        Because the 150 who are fighting on the part of the Russian Federation are precisely the fighters.
        and 250 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine is the total number, including accountants and waitresses in the Moscow Region.
        In reality, the number of fighters there is, well, a maximum of 80 thousand. Yes, plus the national battalions.

        The second is air on the side of the Russian Federation. For a couple of days now, it has been completely, which shows, for example, that the turntables are now escorting the columns, which was not there before because of the not completely suppressed air defense of Ukraine.
        Third - calibers and other missiles, which Ukraine practically does not have. Single launches in Taganrog, this just proves that these missiles were also knocked out from Ukraine.

        Well, and the fourth - there is a complete tactical superiority of the command of the RF Armed Forces. At all levels.

        And by the way, I completely agree that there is no need to rush. The operation to roll out the "most powerful army in Europe" is not for five or ten days. It's about a month.
        So far, I assess the progress of the forces of the RF Armed Forces extremely positively.
        I used to travel three days from the Staropromyslovsky District to the House of the Press in Grozny in the old days. Although it would seem - to walk down the street. Just... :)
        And here the guys work just amazing as well.

        And I think that relying on a small victorious "special operation" is a miscalculation and a huge mistake, I think that mobilization is needed, people will still need to get equipment in the camps and prepare. If not needed, it will simply be possible to declare demobilization. We don't give a damn about the economy now, it's not our main problem.
        1. -2
          3 March 2022 09: 40
          And who and where said that it would be a "small and victorious special operation"?
          Can Vladimir Vladimirovich report to you personally?

          If so, please share with the public.
          Personally, I have not heard this from him in his speeches. And from Shoigu too. And from Lavrov.
          I heard only for the purpose of the operation. I haven't heard any dates from Putin.
          Precisely because he just understands that no easy walk will work.
          It’s not for you to drive bearded men in Syria.
          This is the second army in Europe after the German one.
          This is serious.
          1. -2
            3 March 2022 09: 46
            Quote: Denis812
            And who and where said that it would be a "small and victorious special operation"?
            Can Vladimir Vladimirovich report to you personally?

            If so, please share with the public.
            Personally, I have not heard this from him in his speeches. And from Shoigu too. And from Lavrov.
            I heard only for the purpose of the operation. I haven't heard any dates from Putin.
            Precisely because he just understands that no easy walk will work.
            It’s not for you to drive bearded men in Syria.
            This is the second army in Europe after the German one.
            This is serious.

            I really hope so, but something does not give confidence that we did not even bomb the Kremenchug oil refinery and it continues to produce fuel for enemy equipment.
            1. 0
              3 March 2022 09: 54
              they didn’t bomb it, apparently for the same reason that the gas pipeline is working.
              And that's why we don't grind cities into powder.
              Because this is our land.
              If you look closely, what are the RF Armed Forces blowing up?
              Airfields, warehouses, headquarters, etc.

              If the Russian Federation would like to destroy Ukraine, well, OK, send a dozen rockets to the center of Kyiv and that's it, tomorrow there would be no "power" in Kyiv.
              But Russia doesn't do that.
              We must try to save people and all the good to the maximum. Hence the "slow" progress. "Corridors for withdrawal" and so on.
              1. -4
                3 March 2022 10: 18
                Quote: Denis812
                they didn’t bomb it, apparently for the same reason that the gas pipeline is working.
                And that's why we don't grind cities into powder.
                Because this is our land.
                If you look closely, what are the RF Armed Forces blowing up?
                Airfields, warehouses, headquarters, etc.

                And oil-fuel storages are blown up, but for some reason the main one of them is the Kremenchug refinery is not touched. All the same, his dill will blow up during the retreat.
                Quote: Denis812
                If the Russian Federation would like to destroy Ukraine, well, OK, send a dozen rockets to the center of Kyiv and that's it, tomorrow there would be no "power" in Kyiv.
                But Russia doesn't do that.

                And what does it give? Well, the deputies would have died, then what? This would not lead to capitulation. And the destruction of the refinery is of real benefit to the cause.
                Quote: Denis812
                We must try to save people and all the good to the maximum. Hence the "slow" progress. "Corridors for withdrawal" and so on.

                This is the wrong approach, the only task should be to do everything for a speedy victory. The longer we pull, the more corpses will be at the end.
                1. -2
                  3 March 2022 10: 37
                  1. If they blow up, then THEY will blow up. For some reason, I have a feeling that they will be paid and they will not blow up. And it’s not the Russians who will pay, but whoever has the gesheft from this plant.
                  2. The destruction of the top of power would serve as a reason to choose another one that would be more loyal to the Kremlin, as it would see what happens to those who the Kremlin does not like.
                  3. Nobody knows this. We are not wangs with you. Therefore, I rely on the tactics of the RF Armed Forces. And their progress so far is 90% consistent with my ideas.
                  1. -5
                    3 March 2022 10: 45
                    Quote: Denis812
                    1. If they blow up, then THEY will blow up. For some reason, I have a feeling that they will be paid and they will not blow up. And it’s not the Russians who will pay, but whoever has the gesheft from this plant.

                    Yes, THEY will blow up, but they will say that we blew it up and everyone will believe them. And now they continue to refuel their armored vehicles and kill us with them. How will we force Ukraine to capitulate if we are not even trying to drive it into a corner, but are playing giveaway? And we pay for it with blood.
                    1. -1
                      3 March 2022 10: 55
                      Yes, they are believed.
                      Ну и что?
                      It is more profitable for us to try to get this plant. They feed from it for another week, and then we will.
                      And understand - we are not at war with the population of Ukraine, but with its authorities and national battalions.
                      Although we pay for it with blood, yes.
                      We do not want to make dead zones out of Ukrainian cities. These are our people.
                      Although technically, of course, they could take everything to *** and say, well, they were Nazis.
                      Do not confuse the population of Ukraine with the scumbags that our Armed Forces are now enduring.
      3. -4
        3 March 2022 13: 27
        Yes, the air behind the Aerospace Forces, just yesterday, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis shot down Su 25SM and Su 34 before that, at least 4 more helicopters were lost and 1 Su 25. Now all our aviation has begun to fill up their western MANPADS, as flies will start to knock down, since the border with Poland and Romania is not blocked and most of 70% of the territory of Ukraine is not occupied.
        1. -1
          3 March 2022 17: 10
          YOU are right, the threat of using MANPADS is great, I think that DRGs are already working on the border, which, as columns with weapons are advanced, will direct aircraft at them, or ambush small columns, it is necessary to blow up the railway lines leading from Poland and other countries to Ukraine, and also try to destroy the wheelsets in the places of their replacement, I am sure that they are working on this, we will wait, it depends on how long the operation will last, and the number of deaths.
          1. -2
            3 March 2022 17: 33
            How they will direct aircraft at numerous cars and how they will find out in which of the cars the weapon is - all the weapons are transported from Poland to Ukraine just like mercenaries so that it would be impossible to track. Here, it is only necessary to tightly block the entire border, otherwise the flow of weapons and mercenaries will not end.
            1. 0
              3 March 2022 17: 42
              You won’t be able to take a large batch in a passenger car, in addition, undercover work, you can instantly give the whole alignment on a mobile phone, including numbers and brands of cars, the number of guards, so if the numbers change, then it’s more difficult to change the brand and color, in addition, the weapon weighs a lot and you can see by loading what they carry, air or iron.
      4. 0
        3 March 2022 20: 22
        he has been fighting for 8 years. xs, of course, but there is a front. get off the couch and refute your words
    2. 0
      3 March 2022 07: 51
      And you did not think that this can be done in parts. Now we will finish off this grouping and block Kyiv in parallel. Then we regroup and move on. At the moment, I don't see any point in sprawling across Ukraine, because we are becoming vulnerable. I think it is necessary to finish with this boiler and there is no need to rush.
    3. -2
      3 March 2022 23: 25
      It will not work with a 150-strong group to defeat the Ukrainian army of 250

      The turning point is coming soon. But they will remain in the cities with small arms and grenade launchers. And they won't give up, and we won't be able to enter and clean up all the cities. The situation will not be unambiguous, how to go out and what is considered a victory.
  7. +9
    3 March 2022 05: 56
    The grouping in the Donbass is actually surrounded, only separate groups of personnel can get out of the boiler, since all roads that are more or less suitable for the withdrawal of surviving equipment are controlled by Russian aviation. Thus, the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian troops will be destroyed in the very near future. This is also facilitated by the depletion of the group's ammunition. The remaining points of ammunition are constantly identified and destroyed. The grouping is deprived of the possibility of replenishment with personnel and equipment. After the destruction of this grouping, there will actually be no fully combat-ready military formations. There remain garrisons in large cities and semi-partisan bands that have dispersed over a vast territory.
    1. 0
      3 March 2022 06: 16
      They've been scaring this cauldron all week, but it still hasn't formed.
      1. +3
        3 March 2022 07: 17
        in your opinion, where is it easier to chop dill: when it is in fortified positions (fortified for 8 years) and among residential buildings, or to gouge it from the air in an open field when it moves in marching columns? Here, ours also think the same, therefore they do not slam the lid on the boiler, inviting Banderlogs to the vastness of the Pavlodar steppes so that there are fewer of them in the cities of Donbass. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been raked while trying to get out of Kramatorsk on the 27th, the remnants have returned, there are no more fools yet.
      2. -1
        3 March 2022 07: 19
        It's already done.
        If you are waiting for a cauldron in the understanding of the Second World War, when tankers meet from two sides and begin to shake hands with each other, this is no longer necessary. Roads have been cut. Air - for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Where are they to go?
        Therefore, physically, the ring may not form at all.
      3. -1
        3 March 2022 23: 33
        The most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the southeast have left to defend Kyiv for several days. Even if this area is surrounded, the balance of power will not change much.
  8. +9
    3 March 2022 06: 15
    Unfortunately, the number of such trophies was not reported. However, there is reason to believe that the count goes to tens or hundreds of units.

    With all due respect to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the information support of the special operation is out of hand. Frankly speaking, it is not clear to me how it is possible to report on the position of the belligerents in a specific period of time without showing the situation on the map? And did someone see Konashenkov with a pointer near the map with the situation on it? In addition, I am sure that there is a report card at the headquarters of our grouping, as well as in the governing bodies of the NM of the DPR and LPR, which at least twice a day reflects all the little things and changes that have occurred in the areas and in the troops during this period, in including captured enemy soldiers and captured equipment. But this information is not reported to the people. There is no public page in MO where you can see all the reports in their unclassified part. Thank God, the country is sufficiently provided with the Internet and the interested part of the population may well have fresh information, as they say, first-hand. This, in turn, would lead to a decrease in the effectiveness of the propaganda of the enemy (the West). Rumors and conjectures are born on the basis of the lack of truthful information. Once again, we (our leadership) demonstrate a misunderstanding of the importance of explanatory work with the population on particularly resonant issues in the life of the country.
    1. +6
      3 March 2022 06: 30
      The "departed" memory is ours.
      Agree with colleague
      Quote: Hagen
      With all due respect to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the information support of the special operation is out of hand.
    2. -3
      3 March 2022 11: 18
      Quote: Hagen
      did someone see Konashenkov with a pointer near a map with the situation printed on it? In addition, I am sure that there is a report card of urgent reports at the headquarters of our group, as well as in the governing bodies of the NM of the DPR and LPR, which at least twice a day reflects all the little things and changes that have occurred in the areas and in the troops during this period, in including captured enemy soldiers and captured equipment. But this information is not reported to the people.

      fool fool
      For showing such a map and such reports to the USSR, everyone would sit down. For disclosure ...
      By and large, nothing has changed in relation to these documents.
      Quote: Hagen
      But this information is not reported to the people.

      You will believe, I will believe, and the second half of the VO will shout - that 'This is a propaganda fake!!!"
      And they will wave calculators - they say UNIAN says about 5000 killed, the Moscow Region about 498, which means "They killed somewhere in 2500 !! MO lie !!"
      And it will be regardless of who says it.
      Doubt??? I - no ....
      1. +4
        3 March 2022 12: 00
        Quote: your1970
        For showing such a map and such reports to the USSR, everyone would sit down.

        You, my friend, either never served, or have long forgotten about everything, including the USSR. During the war, every small and small owner of a large map considered it his duty to mark with flags on a needle that front line, which was named in the cities and villages in the latest report of the Sovinformburo. There is no secret there. And besides, I already mentioned (you probably didn’t notice in the heat of the discussion), about ".... all the reports in their unclassified part." You do not think that you are the only such fighter for "military secrets". Just when everything becomes a "secret" due to someone's thoughtlessness, people begin to overcome a flurry of rumors and unhealthy fantasies. And if you systematically say what is then confirmed by real life, then that source will be trusted. And if you believe, I believe, then there will already be two people less than alarmists and all-propagators. Two is already an element of civil society, this is strength ...
        1. 0
          3 March 2022 16: 44
          Quote: Hagen
          During the war, every small and small owner of a large map considered it his duty to mark with flags on a needle that front line, which was named in the cities and villages in the latest report of the Sovinformburo.
          - will you be satisfied with a map - of the "USSR map" format ?? Where were Donetsk/Lugansk/Mariupol marked and all?
          For some reason I think not - when everyone around is discussing at the level of "100 meters from the fork in Shirokino" (conditionally!) ...

          Quote: Hagen
          And besides, I already mentioned (you probably did not notice in the heat of the discussion), about "....all reports in their unclassified part."
          - and who will watch them? People are interested in-
          Quote: Denis812
          I'm actually more interested number of remaining belay belay belay Caliber, Iskander and others.
          and 4"+" supported him....
          And you are anecdotal against their background - "a map with flags", yeah ...

          Quote: Hagen
          Don't you think that you only such a fighter for "military secrets"
          - I don't think so. I know...
          to my locality 1926 Topographical survey of the VSNKh 25 and 000 was carried out. 96(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) years have passed and even 50 cannot be found on the Internet - it is still stamped. I am silent about 000 - it will probably be "secret" for another 25 years.
          Even the relief has changed dramatically during this time, I’m silent about the population in principle ...

          ZY
          Quote: Hagen
          You, my friend, or have never served
          9 years in the army lol (2 in the SA + 7 in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation)
          1. +2
            3 March 2022 18: 13
            Quote: your1970
            when everyone around is discussing at the level of "100 meters from the fork in Shirokino" (conditionally!) ...

            No need to bring the idea to the point of absurdity. I believe that the situation in the theater of the scale that exists in Ukraine should be shown on the map, because it is not only housewives and "2 + 7 specialists" who are watching it. Don't you think so? Well, don't count. Is your surname Konoshenkov? You have no complaints.
            Quote: your1970
            who will watch them?

            Nobody knows. But they would make a page, the counter would show whether the information is in demand or not. That would be a fact. And you have some assumptions, that is, with a "pitchfork on the water."
            Quote: your1970
            And you are anecdotal against their background - "a map with flags", yeah ...

            If for you the history of your own (including mine) country in the Second World War is an anecdote, then what's the point of wasting time on you? I, moreover, did not at all suggest blindly copying that experience. And yes, people may be interested in the availability of resources in case of a possible complication of the situation. I don't see any contradiction here. And here, keeping the state secret, it would be possible to formulate the answer. But neither yours, nor mine, nor anyone else's opinion, the service "for promiscuous public relations" is not interested. This is where the problem is.
            Quote: your1970
            9 years in the army (2 in the SA + 7 in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation)

            Can you share your experience, how without a map you can report the decision of the commander at least to the MSR for some type of battle? In fact, in terms of service life, as it were, it’s not very soft ... And judging by your thoughts, you haven’t grown far in the leadership of units ... Your emoticons are from unfounded arrogance.
            1. 0
              3 March 2022 22: 56
              Quote: Hagen
              I believe that the situation in the theater of the scale that exists in Ukraine should be shown on the map, because it is not only housewives and "2 + 7 specialists" who watch it

              Those who understand - see it anyway. Sources of information - the sea
              Quote: Hagen
              If for you the history of your own (including mine) country in the Second World War is an anecdote, then what's the point of wasting time on you?
              - at that time there were no online broadcasts of battles. And everyone was satisfied with ".... the cities of Mariupol and Donetsk ..." and that's all
              Quote: Hagen
              And yes, people may be interested in the availability of resources in case of a possible complication of the situation. I don't see any contradiction here.

              And I see - I'm an example for you 96 He brought the summer map for a reason. It is still secret - and you are talking about "the people want to know ...". The fact that such an interest would have come under the USSR is not even discussed. Give them the number of missiles, yeah ...

              Quote: Hagen
              And here, keeping the state secret, it would be possible to formulate the answer.
              - And How? "The Armed Forces are moving in the direction of Tau-Kit" or "deep into Ukraine" - will not suit you. And "they are moving in the direction of Kharkov with accommodation in the village ....." - may already be the cause of problems for the RF Armed Forces
              Quote: Hagen
              without a map, can you report the decision of the commander at least to the MSR for some type of battle?

              We generally discussed information for NOT military - but for civilians. For the military, reports of dryness are not needed - they already have information
              Quote: Hagen
              Your emoticons are from baseless arrogance.
              no, they from impossibility express your emotions in words. Alas, they are banned ...
              1. 0
                4 March 2022 06: 12
                Quote: your1970
                Those who understand - see it anyway. Sources of information - the sea

                In this case, why do we need such a department with a whole generals at the head and not a small salary? I think that you need to do your job in such a way that there is no need to resort to third-party sources. We have to be productive.
                Quote: your1970
                But I see

                Well, look ... In a large bookstore today there are topographic maps from the General Staff with a stamped out stamp. Although I didn’t say a word that such detail is needed. You obviously have never seen a gluing of 12 sheets laughing and, probably, you can’t imagine what a decision is for a march of 60 kilometers with the situation of the SME commander. The situation in one narrow direction, for example, to Severodonetsk, on such a map that you mention will take up the entire wall laughing Conclusion: for an overview of the situation, a map with such details as to be secret is not needed. I don’t know what you did for 9 years in the Ministry of Defense + Ministry of Internal Affairs, but you definitely touched the maps and the regime “very sporadically”. And even less often by applying the situation and her report laughing .
                Quote: your1970
                Military reports of dryness are not needed - they already have information

                Those who are in the subject have no time to watch TV. The rest use the "time" program and reports from "pen pals". It is this work without a map that leads to the fact that when mentioning the occupation of Novoprokopovka by our troops, the journalist concludes that they are squeezing the ring around Mariupol. (almost word for word). Now look where is Novoprokopovka and where is Mariupol. And everyone is happy with everything. Question: why then tell something at all, if "who needs to know anyway", and not a specialist did not understand before, and after that he began to understand even less. Is this not fertile ground for disinformation from the outside?! Actually, take a look at the telegram channels on the topic. There are a lot of maps, but all in English. Is the authorship clear? What about the goal? This is how bit by bit they hammer the information "they need" into our heads. The question is, why do we need DIMK MO?
                1. -1
                  4 March 2022 16: 20
                  We are talking about different things...
                  me (conditional!) + housewives - general phrases are enough - we will not climb on the map with a ruler to measure out - who is standing where. Levitanovsky "They occupied the city of Belgorod ..." is quite enough
                  even if they show you something on the map, it will still not be enough. you will start checking, watching TLG channels
                  Given the fact that we (me + housewives) are much larger than you, the Moscow Region is broadcasting.
                  Housewives would rather believe "horror-horror" from a girlfriend - than Konashenkov for half an hour leading a pointer on the map ...

                  ZY
                  Quote: Hagen
                  In a large bookstore today there are topographic maps from the General Staff with a stamped out stamp.
                  -5-10 kilometer declassified almost under Khrushchev .... no one needed for nothing ...

                  Quote: Hagen
                  You obviously have never seen a gluing of 12 sheets

                  Quote: Hagen
                  I don’t know what you did for 9 years in the Ministry of Defense + Ministry of Internal Affairs, but you definitely touched the maps and the regime "very occasionally"

                  lol Moscow topographic polytechnic, diplomas - topographer and aerial surveyor.
                  And glued, and applied, and the tolerance was appropriate.
                  He even took part in the creation of fresh maps of the S. Caucasus and Stavropol under the USSR
                  Here in the army, yes - I didn’t have to command divisions, I didn’t grow up request
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2022 17: 33
                    Quote: your1970
                    me (conditional!) + housewives - enough general phrases

                    Are you enough? That's okay. And for housewives, the decision does not have to be made. They are very different, and I doubt that they authorized you to represent them.
                    Quote: your1970
                    diplomas - topographer and aerophotogeodesist.
                    And glued, and applied, and the tolerance was appropriate.

                    Then it’s not clear at all, for what purpose are you talking about the secrecy of the map? Although, if you
                    Quote: your1970
                    5-10 kilometer declassified almost under Khrushchev

                    (for a minute: 5-kilometer - 1 kilometers in 5 centimeter. With this scale, probably half of the maps in the school atlas !!!) Yes, you are still a topographer .... laughing You may also remember the globe marked "secret" laughing
                    Quote: your1970
                    He even took part in the creation of fresh maps of the S. Caucasus and Stavropol under the USSR

                    This is what I can believe. Tripods also had to be carried by someone laughing Okay... Don't be offended, I'm not evil... I expressed my vision, you didn't agree with it... I don't see anything wrong with that. You have the right. This is not a reason for serious hostility. drinks What difference does it make what Konashenkov is carrying there?! The main thing is that our Mariupol be taken at minimal cost ...
  9. +4
    3 March 2022 07: 03
    I'm actually more interested in the number of remaining Calibers, Iskanders and other things.
    Now they will finish with Kharkov, Mariupol, completely surround Kyiv.
    But then there will be Western Ukraine. But is there still enough missiles for her?
    1. -2
      3 March 2022 10: 34
      "I'm actually more interested in the number of remaining Calibers, Iskanders and other things" - your desires are very suspicious (joke). In fact, no one will tell you this. After the operation in Yugoslavia, as far as I remember, they wrote that the Amer. ended in 2 weeks.
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      1. -6
        3 March 2022 11: 42
        he is almost already under control)))) so we can say that he was taken
      2. -6
        3 March 2022 12: 10
        How do you imagine finishing with Kharkov? Take down to zero? Will Ukrainians Throw A White Flag? Russia will use nuclear weapons? Will the city starve to death?

        We'll see how it goes

        Kharkov will belong to the Russians. Or no one will!
        1. +5
          3 March 2022 13: 36
          It belongs to the Russians. Only they are clearly not enthusiastic about the liberators - the degree of hatred is now going through the roof, and active shelling of the city makes any reconciliation with the liberators simply impossible in the foreseeable future.:(((
          1. 0
            3 March 2022 17: 16
            At 45 in Germany, too, not everyone was glowing with happiness, but at 49 the GDR was already created and further improvements went on, I had to live in Germany at 92-94 and believe me, not everyone liked living in a single country.
            1. +1
              3 March 2022 17: 19
              Therefore, the Berlin Wall was demolished in a single impulse due to one small mistake of a mediocre official?
              Maybe in 50 years separate ones will appear, but aren’t you thinking too long for today?
    3. -1
      3 March 2022 13: 28
      Starting from 2010, the Ministry of Defense purchased Calibers from 200 to 400 pieces per year, at least Iskanders.
      1. -1
        3 March 2022 23: 40
        "200 - up to 400 pieces per year"///
        ---
        A completely unrealistic number. Cut 5 times. Caliber is an expensive and complex product.
        Here is the Iskander BR - much simpler in design.
        Su-57 managed to collect 2 in a year, and Caliber - 400?
        1. -11
          3 March 2022 23: 46
          Calibers and Iskanders ended in 3 days of fighting. And I had to switch back to cast iron. A couple more weeks of fighting and Russia will be left without an army. And in the light of sanctions, without any real prospects to restore military potential
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  10. +1
    3 March 2022 07: 17
    Will military and civilian communications in Ukraine be cut off in the near future? Especially in the western parts? Judging by the materials filmed there, those units that have lost contact with the command are surrendering. More prisoners, fewer victims. Fewer victims - fewer embittered relatives of the dead Ukrainians, ready for any meanness and fewer lost our soldiers. There will also be fewer attacks and victims from the militias of the defense forces. EW jamming cellular communications, the Internet, military communication channels? Also, if Poland still receives Western weapons, the lack of communication will affect the effectiveness of its distribution - they will not know the Armed Forces of Ukraine where it is and how much.
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      1. -2
        3 March 2022 11: 44
        these are prisoners who were detained and will not be released, and many hundreds have already been released home, for example, about 1000 border guards
        1. -2
          7 March 2022 11: 46
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          and many hundreds have already been released home, for example, about 1000 border guards

          By the way, even in this regard. We release them, and they are mobilized again.
    2. +7
      3 March 2022 13: 34
      So far, electronic warfare has shown itself less than nothing.
  11. +3
    3 March 2022 10: 31
    Critical damage in numbers. Ukrainian losses of the first week

    Based on the statements of the leadership of the United States and Ukraine, they are going to fight to the last Ukrainian. So our people need to prepare for a long war and not build illusions on this score. There is no turning back for us. Now only until the end.
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    1. -1
      3 March 2022 11: 47
      did you see how many protesters? in a city where there are hundreds of thousands of people, there are only 200 protesters)))) and how many of these 200 will take up arms? man 20? thirty?
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        1. 0
          3 March 2022 17: 24
          To the main question The main answer, I personally have not seen a single picture, from any side, where during the hostilities someone met someone with bread and salt. About the above photo, I can assume 1: they could have been kicked out under the threat of a weapon, don’t you agree? Then the second, no one is afraid of the armed Russian army, because they know no one will shoot at them.
          1. +2
            3 March 2022 17: 49
            I have never seen a single picture, from any side, where during the hostilities someone met someone with bread and salt

            there are enough such photos, and just with joyful smiles, and really with bread and salt, you just didn’t look for

            https://victory.rusarchives.ru/photo/krestyanin-sela-nizhne-skalnik-yan-sitarchik-ego-zhena-mariya-i-doch-anna-vstrechayut-hlebom

            But obscenity, as in Berdyansk, Melitopol or the same Energodar, there is such a video - this is how not quite liberators are met: (((
            1. 0
              3 March 2022 18: 01
              I wrote to you in relation to a specific situation, I don’t see that hostilities are taking place in your pictures, the first picture is not Ukraine, judging by the tricolor flag, the second annexation of Austria, dig around and find Lviv, Vilnius. I can also assume that in your picture a column of civilians is trying to leave the city so as not to fall under shelling, judging by the Ukrainian flags, they are held by the Ukrainian checkpoint, and do not let them out of the city, hiding behind residents from shelling.
              1. 0
                3 March 2022 18: 08
                you read your post
                I personally have not seen a single picture, from any side, where during the hostilities someone met someone with bread and salt

                And both pictures are from Czechoslovakia, there is a link there.
                As for "he wrote in relation to a specific situation", you can often find videos where the liberators are greeted with obscenities, and not a single one where they are greeted with joyful greetings. And we are talking about the Russian part of Ukraine ...
                1. 0
                  3 March 2022 20: 58
                  I love such connoisseurs of history, have you heard anything about the Sudeten Germans, do you know how many millions of Germans lived in the Czech Republic? It is not surprising that they met Hitler in this way. The fate of these Germans was terrible, for belonging to the German nation, the brave Czechs killed them by the thousands after the war, read about the Born March, they were expelled from their homes in the Sudetenland, they were killed, the corpses were rafted along the Elbe, at that time many corpses of women, old people, children floated along the Elbe. By the way, Bandera at the end of the war also killed their comrades-in-arms in the fight against Bolshevism, and after the war many joined the CPSU, or their children like Farion and others, almost all post-perestroika ideologists of nationalism were former active members of the CPSU.
            2. 0
              3 March 2022 18: 12
              Is this a photo of a meeting of advanced tank columns? Something doesn't look right.

              Quote: Avior
              But obscenity, as in Berdyansk, Melitopol or the same Energodar, there is such a video

              Then they will be ashamed, those who are on the video. Very Yes

              By the way, you were introduced to me as the leader of the local Ukrainian "warriors of light". Wrong?
              1. -2
                3 March 2022 19: 19
                Is this a photo of a meeting of advanced tank columns? Something doesn't look right.

                does not look like it? well, bring a photo of the meeting of non-advanced non-tank columns of the current liberators ...
                And for example, here is a photo of the meeting of those very advanced liberators, there is nowhere more advanced.

                The liberated have no bread and salt, sorry, but the emotions are unambiguous. and not at all like the ones we see now among the liberated.
                1. -2
                  3 March 2022 19: 30
                  Quote: Repellent
                  you were introduced to me as the leader of the local Ukrainian "warriors of light". Wrong?

                  I'm inclined to believe.

                  It is incorrect to compare the liberation of the concentration camp and the city of Kharkov by the advanced column, for example. And those who like to distort are beaten with a candlestick Yes

                  Question: do you have a lot of photographs in your bosom, in which the inhabitants of the city meet with flowers (or bread and salt) a column of advancing tanks? Around the same time - "the war in the Crimea, everything is in the smoke."

                  You demand such scenes to confirm the loyalty of the population of the Russian Army, right? Well, present ... a prototype, so to speak.
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2022 19: 44
                    And those who like to distort are beaten with a candlestick

                    I can see from your posts that you've covered the issue in detail.
                    So where
                    give a photo of the meeting of non-advanced non-tank columns of the current liberators ...
                    ?
                    and don’t writhe, like in a frying pan ....
                    1. -1
                      3 March 2022 19: 49
                      Quote: Avior
                      And those who like to distort are beaten with a candlestick

                      I can see from your posts that you've covered the issue in detail.
                      So where
                      give a photo of the meeting of non-advanced non-tank columns of the current liberators ...
                      ?
                      and don’t writhe, like in a frying pan ....

                      Um... are you healthy? You became somehow inarticulate what

                      Quote: Avior
                      give a photo of the meeting of non-advanced non-tank columns of the current liberators ...

                      Where did the quote come from?

                      Quote: Avior
                      but don’t fidget, like in a frying pan ...

                      Snake here while you practice, as far as I can see wink

                      PS: The swamp is silent, the swamp does not respond ... request
                  2. +3
                    3 March 2022 19: 48


                    Will it fit? Both were filmed in Western Ukraine with a difference of about four years.
                    1. 0
                      3 March 2022 19: 55
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      Will fit?

                      Yes thank you.

                      I have the impression that the locals don't care who they meet. What white, what red ... and green, probably, too.
                      1. +2
                        3 March 2022 21: 24
                        I'm more about the fact that not everyone who was met with flowers was worth it. Yes
                        Quote: Repellent
                        the locals don't care who they meet

                        You know, I had a friend on urgent duty - Romka Gavor from Ivano-Frankivsk. And we, essno, no, no, yes, violated discipline by using C2 H5 OH and derivatives from it.
                        And in this state, with an equal degree of probability, he could drag out: - "I'm still young, I still wanted to live, but they took me away from Bendery," or maybe a song about partisans. request
                        As for the meeting of the troops, when the ATO began, the locals in Eastern Ukraine also greeted their army and volunteers with spit. Incidentally, Gordon has repeatedly mentioned this in his programs.
                      2. 0
                        3 March 2022 21: 29
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        when the ATO began, locals in Eastern Ukraine also greeted their army and volunteers with spit

                        Yes, their reaction is understandable: after all, everything was calm, and then they came in to free them, glass breaks, fires and other delights. I would be outraged too.

                        It’s not easy for ours now, it’s not easy at all ... recourse
                      3. 0
                        3 March 2022 23: 45
                        Yes, their reaction is understandable: after all, everything was calm, and then they came in to free them, glass breaks, fires and other delights. I would be outraged too.

                        It’s not easy for ours now, it’s not easy at all.

                        It is not even easy, and now and after the hot phase it will be.
                  3. -2
                    4 March 2022 02: 00
                    Quote: Repellent
                    . And those who like to distort are beaten with a candlestick yes

                    How many times to repeat fool Chandelier on the way out! wassat
            3. 0
              4 March 2022 13: 08
              It’s a pity that the photo from Energodar was removed, but why are you modestly silent about the fact that the inhabitants are against the conduct of hostilities in the territory where the nuclear power plant with six power units is located, probably they just don’t want their families to die, it will be the same at the South Ukrainian nuclear power plant and Rovno and Khmelnytsky. People do not want an atomic nightmare, Putin started the operation because Zelensky promised to create a nuclear bomb.
      2. 0
        3 March 2022 23: 42
        in a city where hundreds of thousands of people have only 200 protesters))))

        Have you seen how much came out in Energodar? And there is a town for 50 thousand people. How to get through such a crowd? We can't even scare them, and you're not their Nazis, who would not stand on ceremony.
        1. -2
          4 March 2022 00: 09
          Quote: Stepan S
          How to get through such a crowd?

          Well, let's say there are plenty of ways to drive ...

          Quote: Stepan S
          We can't even scare them.

          But this is wrong, in my opinion. It is simply necessary to scare such people ... they wave, you know, with some kind of rags, they say obscene chants ... a mess request
  13. 0
    3 March 2022 11: 20
    Receiving foreign aid that can change the situation is generally impossible.

    Why? birds and MANPADS go by the thousands. All Russian armored vehicles have no protection from the former.
    Motivation and morale are very high. Human resources are available, mobilization is underway. In urban development, there is nothing to oppose to ours, large cities (Kharkov, Kyiv) cannot be taken. And if you take it, it’s not clear what to do with them next.
    1. -3
      3 March 2022 13: 31
      And it's true that the armored personnel carrier BMP MTLB has no protection - everyone is naked.
      1. -2
        3 March 2022 17: 43
        most importantly, tanks do not have it. from the javelin for the third decade already. from new ATGMs with tandem warheads too. the development of an all-angle kaz has been asking for 3 years, but no one itches
  14. +2
    3 March 2022 14: 10
    Actually, the point is just that the numbers are not critical at all. 10-15% of equipment and 2-3% of personnel per week is frankly not enough and does not affect the state of the army as a whole. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still combat-ready and put up stubborn resistance; strategic success has not been achieved on any of the fronts. For comparison, more than 7 (!) Iraqi tanks, armored personnel carriers and guns were destroyed or abandoned during Desert Storm, most of them even before the start of the ground operation. And the loss ratio was over 100 to 1.
  15. +2
    3 March 2022 15: 34
    Gentlemen, and who is not lazy, take a look at the list of the lost equipment of both sides, compiled by interested parties based on photos from tyrnet:

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    I don’t quite understand how they establish the ownership of unmarked equipment, and where can there be any setups - the list of losses for the RF Armed Forces is too fat, it’s suspicious
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      1. -3
        3 March 2022 18: 06
        Railroad worker, you are a talker and talk nonsense. Better tell me what a crutch is.
      2. +1
        3 March 2022 18: 17
        Decisions are sometimes made not as soon as they are ready, but also because of extreme necessity. These are not very good decisions, but without them there are more victims.
  16. -2
    3 March 2022 20: 49
    I wonder where the author found 322 S-300P units. We didn't even release that many. Apparently a typo - there should be 32 pcs.
  17. -2
    3 March 2022 21: 29
    .however, they have already dealt critical damage.
    Well, of course, you’ve had more than enough, with 10-20% of what was destroyed, this is quite a bit, we still don’t control the border, even the special forces are busy with other tasks, so it’s wide open
  18. -2
    4 March 2022 15: 25
    It is already noticeable that, unfortunately, the main, most severe losses of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine occur 1) from artillery strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on columns on the march or at forced stops of columns on the roads. 2) from attacks on forward columns in urban and private residential areas. The practice of entering populated areas in a small advanced column along one main street in armored cars and trucks is erroneous.
  19. -2
    4 March 2022 21: 29
    of course, you need to understand who we are dealing with. The truth is always limited by the truth, and the lie is limitless. So is this military operation, as its reflection. Consider that you can negotiate with the Nazis ... You look at the picture - Russian diplomats, real diplomats , and the Nazis have some homeless people from the street!
  20. +2
    5 March 2022 04: 54
    15% loss of armored vehicles and 20% of artillery is by no means a disaster, in 1941 everything was much worse ....
    The small number of prisoners is surprising, since the beginning of the fighting, less than a thousand people.
    So far, no new "Illovaiskov and Debaltsevo" with mass destruction and seizure of military equipment have been organized either.
    Not everything is going as smoothly and smoothly as the General Staff planned.
  21. +1
    7 March 2022 10: 26
    If the Minsk or Byelorussian truces happen again, then hostilities will last for decades.
  22. 0
    7 March 2022 15: 35
    Ukrainian equipment still drives and fights on Russian and Belarusian fuels and lubricants.
    There are no others!
  23. 0
    11 March 2022 02: 00
    The key point for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is that Ukraine is physically unable to make up for the loss of materiel on its own. The destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a matter of pure time if NATO does not fit in.
  24. 0
    12 March 2022 08: 00
    It became interesting to me. The irretrievable losses of ukrov are declared at more than 15 thousand. But the prisoners at the same time - less than a thousand. Are they not taken prisoner, or do they not surrender themselves?