The use of the Armed Forces of the Javelin ATGM in the Donbass affected the capabilities of the LPR and the DPR for offensive operations

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What the residents of Donbass, and many residents of the south-east of Ukraine, who actively participated in the Russian Spring of 2014, wished for, finally happened - the Russian army launched a military special operation to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to peace. The people's militia of the LPR and DPR is now assigned an important role: to hold the groups of Ukrainian troops located in the Donbass, tie them down with military operations and prevent the transfer of troops to Kharkov and Kyiv, where serious battles are now taking place.

The Russian army, of course, is two heads stronger than the Ukrainian one, however, judging by what we are seeing at the moment, a military special operation for the RF Armed Forces will definitely not be an easy walk. For eight years, the Ukrainian military was brainwashed and prepared for war with Russia, which could not remain without consequences - the Ukrainian soldier was mentally prepared for such a development of events. It will not be easy for the Russian army, and in the current difficult conditions, the task of the People's Militia to tie down the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is an important milestone in the movement towards victory over the criminal regime that has settled in Kyiv.



At the moment, the People's Militia of the LPR has established control over the settlements - Lopaskino, Trekhizbenka, Muratovo, Grechishkino, Bakhmutovka and Stanitsa Luganskaya. Trekhizbenka and the bridgehead beyond the Seversky Donets were taken by the 16th armored personnel carrier of the NM of the LPR "Yarga", operating under the operational subordination of the 4th brigade of the NM of the LPR. It is led by a very literate man in military affairs, with the call sign "Peter", who served first in the Soviet and then in the Russian army, and retired from there in the 90s with the rank of "major".

It is thanks to competent and well-coordinated actions in this direction that the People's Militia operates successfully and quickly moves forward to Severodonetsk. Which, despite the partial withdrawal of Ukrainian troops to help Kharkov and Kiev, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not going to surrender without a fight. This follows, among other things, from photographs on social networks, which show how the Ukrainian military deploy artillery on the territory of schools and between residential buildings in Severodonetsk.

But in the direction of Happiness, the situation is a little different. On February 24, the adviser to the head of the LPR, Vitaly Kiselev (call sign “Communist”), announced on his Telegram channel that Happiness had come under the control of the LPR. However, in the evening, the People's Militia of the LPR announced that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were deploying equipment in Shchastya, hiding behind civilians, which contradicted the information about the transfer of the city under the control of the army of the republic. Subsequently, none of the officials reported anything about what was happening in this settlement.

What happened in Happiness? Unfortunately, nothing good. The people's militia of the LPR tried to take the city by storm with the support of armored vehicles, but this attack was repulsed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the equipment of the NM was partially destroyed, partially damaged. As a result of the attack, the dead and wounded... Vitaliy Kiselev apparently did not expect that the Ukrainian military would put up such fierce resistance, so he reported on the victory in his Telegram channel prematurely.

American SMAW grenade launchers and the same Javelin anti-tank systems, which, according to some experts, “do not pose a serious threat,” burned our equipment. Here is how the situation was described by Andrey Morozov, a fighter of the “Ghost” battalion, NM of the LPR, in his LiveJournal.

The presence of a modern ATGM with a tandem warhead in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, capable of confidently hitting any tank of the People's Militia of the LPR and DPR from 2+ kilometers, as I expected, had a very negative impact on our ability to actively tie down the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which can be deployed near Kharkov. I'm not going to escalate now, but something tells me that Kramnik won't tell what happened to Shchastya. Why after news there is no more news about his capture by the NM of the LPR. I can now begin to list the dead, give the figures of losses, including the number of BTTs shot down by the NM of the LPR, name other places where the NM of the LPR performed, to put it mildly, palely. Where it didn’t work out to fight the way it turned out and so far it’s working out for “Peter” near Trekhizbenka. Javelins, even in the face of not the defense of the NM Corps without the help of Russia, but Russian offensives from everywhere plus the offensive of the NM Corps, will change the balance of power
.

According to the latest information, Happiness still came under the control of the LPR. However, not because the People's Militia won in this direction, but because the Ukrainian military simply left it, as they had previously left Stanytsia Luhanska. Now they will try not to remember about the first unsuccessful assault attempt in the LPR, but the sediment, as they say, remained ...

There is no doubt that the People's Militia of the LPR will liberate the entire territory of the republic in the next few days and reach the administrative borders of the former Luhansk region, but there are still several tough battles ahead. Well, for the jingoistic patriots and highly paid experts who talk about the "non-threat" Javelin ATGMs, I advise you not to be surprised when Ukrainian propagandists post photos on the net with the military equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and LDNR destroyed by them with the help of this ATGM.
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  1. +17
    27 February 2022 05: 12
    Well, for the jingoistic patriots and highly paid experts who talk about the "non-threat" Javelin ATGMs, I advise you not to be surprised when Ukrainian propagandists post photos on the net with the military equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and LDNR destroyed by them with the help of this ATGM.

    We have already posted photos and videos of tanks destroyed by these ATGMs, including our tanks. Yesterday they posted a photo of the T-72B3 with a "gazebo" on the tower. They write that NLAW. On the 25th they destroyed the T-80BVM, there was a Javelin. Ours made an improvised checkpoint there.
    Now the Poles will still throw them in, in exchange for those destroyed in warehouses.
    1. +18
      27 February 2022 11: 04
      Not only the Poles, the Germans reported the transfer of 1000 ATGMs and 500 Stingers. A total of 27 countries rushed to supply weapons, equipment and fuel
      1. +2
        27 February 2022 13: 26
        They still need to be delivered to Ukra somehow ..
        1. +13
          27 February 2022 13: 39
          Yes, to supply them. Through Poland or Romania. They can fly to Lvov. We will not fire at such airfields where foreign planes will land.
          So you need to proceed from the fact that they will deliver and very quickly. It was not for nothing that Zelensky blew the negotiations.
          1. +14
            27 February 2022 17: 02
            Quote: YOUR
            We will not fire at such airfields where foreign planes will land.

            We will. And airfields, and transport columns.
            These are the lives of our soldiers. GDP warned...
          2. +1
            27 February 2022 18: 11
            Even if we do not shoot down Western aircraft, all this still needs to be delivered to the battlefield, and there are huge opportunities here, both for aviation and for the DRG.
          3. +2
            28 February 2022 02: 15
            So iozhet gouging GDP in Lviv? One Caliber and that's all)) No deliveries, no flights))
            1. +6
              28 February 2022 03: 30
              Here the article is Ukraine and our readiness for war https://topwar.ru/192621-ukraina-i-nasha-gotovnost-k-vojne.html.
              Look at the photos of the airfields that the calibers made. Almost nothing. This applies to WFP. According to the storage facilities for fuel and lubricants, according to the ammunition depots, they worked normally. But even for the parking of aircraft, the result is so-so. BUT!!! Let's say she gasped in the middle of the runway, a pit and what. The liquidation will take several hours. Rake the debris to the side, fill the pit with concrete and put a metal flooring on top. A day later, the flooring can be removed. The concrete will set.
              And one more but. They will not do this. And so the sanctions through the roof.
              1. 0
                1 March 2022 01: 17
                Quote: YOUR
                Let's say she gasped in the middle of the runway, a pit and what. The liquidation will take several hours.
                There are special bombs for this. Not large, they cover a large area, and after breaking through the concrete they do not explode immediately, but in random order. For example, one can explode in 5 minutes, and the other in a few hours, when everyone calms down and a sapper will work nearby.
                1. +1
                  1 March 2022 02: 17
                  I wrote about this above. Also about ohm that such ammunition is not used
              2. +1
                1 March 2022 10: 47
                There is a video with broken MiG-29s at the airfield. About 8 pcs. And without a special funnel on the runway ... I don’t know what arrived. And cruise missiles should work on the air defense system and control points. It's expensive to shoot at sheds!
                1. +2
                  1 March 2022 11: 05
                  You just confirmed what I wrote. Each ammunition has its own purpose, there is nothing universal, except perhaps nuclear weapons.
        2. +2
          27 February 2022 14: 14
          They say they have already been brought there a long time ago. Now they just voiced "intel" ...
          1. +1
            27 February 2022 17: 03
            Yes. They were originally brought there. We still laughed.
            1. +1
              28 February 2022 03: 35
              Those who did not serve a day in the army laughed, but mama don't cry.
              There is a site - Military chronicle. There are so many things. Incl. and about our
              For example, this
              https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/bolshoe_tankovoe_srazhenie_pod_zaporozhem_svodki_s_fronta_vecher_26_fevralja_50_video_obnovljaetsja_2022/60-1-0-11512
      2. +8
        27 February 2022 13: 47
        So you need to track the supplies and destroy immediately. And it’s better to capture and gouge dill equipment with javelins.
        1. +4
          27 February 2022 13: 52
          Well, you are starting to fantasize.
        2. +7
          27 February 2022 15: 04
          And even better, grab the equipment. It's like in football. Everyone knows how to do it, except for those who play.
    2. +2
      27 February 2022 11: 55
      Where can you take a look?
  2. +22
    27 February 2022 05: 17
    I am not surprised by the events taking place at Shchastya ... combat operations quickly sort out literate and illiterate commanders ... only those who perceive the enemy as a vicious and meticulous examiner and accordingly prepared for battle with him pass the exam.
    I would like to know the details of unsuccessful battles for debriefing on VO ... to analyze the errors and develop the appropriate correct solutions to deal with new challenges on the battlefield.
    1. +4
      27 February 2022 18: 06
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I would like to know the details of unsuccessful battles for debriefing


      Today they stopped blocking videos with losses of the Russian Armed Forces...
      I think there will be a lot of these reviews soon.
    2. -1
      4 March 2022 08: 05
      combat operations quickly sort out literate and illiterate commanders ...

      In this case, they sort not so much commanders as engineers of research institutes and design bureaus who develop military equipment.

      The result is obvious
  3. +31
    27 February 2022 05: 29
    All incoming weapons to Ukraine must be destroyed on the way by all means and methods ... there is no need to waste time on trifles.
    In addition, you can do dirty tricks to arms suppliers with very unpleasant things ... I won’t say what ... smart people will understand.
    1. +9
      27 February 2022 08: 59
      Therefore, it is urgent to block the western border of Ukraine to prevent new supplies of weapons. And the sky is somehow not tightly closed. The help of the Russian army in the Donbass is not felt at all, the LDNR police are alone.
      1. +3
        27 February 2022 14: 24
        Late. Everything was delivered in 8 years to the place. I wouldn’t be surprised either if thousands of uncles from PMCs live quietly in hotels in million-plus cities. No matter how it turned out to be a surprise too ... Our people believe that there are Ukronats as a last resort, but it could turn out to be someone much more serious ... Moreover, by analogy with weapons, as soon as they announce the possible arrival of foreign volunteers ...
    2. +3
      27 February 2022 20: 50
      In general, the position of the RF Ministry of Defense is not clear, to look like white knights. If the enemy snaps, you need to destroy him qualitatively, quickly and as harshly as possible, otherwise the losses will be unjustified.
  4. +41
    27 February 2022 05: 42
    - I repeat again - for the umpteenth time! - Where is aviation - VKS where, where are our UAVs, where is helicopter cover ??? - Where are the missile strikes, MLRS, where is the real powerful artillery ???
    - What else can be the LPR and DPR police (this police can only be used for cleansing and defense, and not for attacks against the Armed Forces of Ukraine) ??? - How can some kind of police on light armored vehicles and with a small number of tanks resist (and even attack) the regular army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ???
    - Why weren't all fuel depots and arsenals with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed and burned ??? - Where do the Armed Forces of Ukraine get fuel, fuel and lubricants and such an abundance of shells and ammunition ??? - Why are there no real air strikes against them ???
    - What other columns of tanks and armored vehicles can be without cover ???
    - Yes, you can see Shoigu - still that "strategist" !!!
    1. +2
      27 February 2022 06: 02
      Well, on the other hand, you are our strategist ... address all questions to the Russian General Staff.
      Shamanov proposed not to storm Kyiv, but to confine himself to a siege.
      1. +3
        27 February 2022 06: 26
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Well, on the other hand, you are our strategist ... address all questions to the Russian General Staff.

        What did you do to the woman? A person's emotions run wild, that's all.
        You need to understand.
        1. -6
          27 February 2022 06: 32
          Nerves are naughty, let him run away to a psychiatrist.
          And she came out on the podium, she must be responsible for her words expressed in public.
          1. +17
            27 February 2022 07: 02
            And you came out on the podium, you have to be responsible for your words expressed in public
            .
            - I didn’t want to answer - but I just got it !!!
            - I am responsible for my words !!!
            - How is it possible to conduct military operations in such a way - literally - as under Tsar Pea and with the same military means of the period of "King Pea" !!! - Where is our modern army and modern warfare methods ???
            - Even the Azerbaijanis in Karabakh fought competently and professionally, using more or less modern equipment !!!
            - What's going on now???
            - Uncovered from the air, the columns of our equipment are calmly moving through unfamiliar terrain - where they can easily be fired upon and destroyed !!!
            - And where are the strikes of our VKS, MLRS, missile strikes on the Armed Forces of Ukraine ??? - Columns of APU vehicles easily move and no one destroys them (and where do APU get fuel and lubricants?); and they have plenty of ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - they fire without ceasing !!!
            What do you disagree with what I said? - Tell yourself!!!
            1. -10
              27 February 2022 07: 36
              Quote: gorenina91
              What do you disagree with what I said? - Tell yourself!!!

              you've been answered
              with your excessive emotionality
              she doesn't belong here
            2. +8
              27 February 2022 07: 37
              Pay no attention. Android, as I noticed, is just a thrower of slogans. For the smart ones, in his opinion. And I have never heard a good one from him.
              1. +5
                27 February 2022 11: 14
                Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
                And I have never heard a good one from him.

                not familiar with Lyokha from Android and his comments
                but it became interesting that you found "worthy" in the comments, the author of which expressed support?
              2. +1
                27 February 2022 11: 27
                smile you might think you said something worthwhile.
                But tell me about the case ... are all the questions that the forum member asked meaningful?
                Have you even listened to Putin or not ... it seems that you didn’t listen.
                He bluntly said what the goals of this operation were ... and the appropriate forces and means were allocated for it.
                And here some members of the forum want to immediately completely defeat the enemy ... our troops do not face such a task ... think at least a little one step forward.
                1. 0
                  27 February 2022 14: 38
                  Yes, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not agree with the tasks of the Russian army. And yes, until targeted strikes begin on the enemy's manpower - barracks, warehouses, military camps, the Russian army will not fulfill any tasks. In principle, the military campaign has already stalled and a serious crisis is looming. But what can I say in the Russian General Staff, they are still strategists if they are outplayed by simple NATO advisers.
            3. +4
              27 February 2022 08: 38
              you do not show a movie live. Or they should report someone how, by what means and how much they destroyed. They are.
              1. +16
                27 February 2022 09: 05
                Quote: sifgame
                you are not shown a movie live

                That's bad.
                The country must know its heroes.
                there is a video from Ukrainian citizens on the net, look if you need

                Now re-read and think again.
                Why is there something to look for?
                Why video from Ukrainian citizens?
                Not to mention the fact that ours did not turn off the enemy’s communication, so the same mentioned Azerbaijanis flooded the entire Internet their videos about their victoriestaken from their UAVs.
                Where is it all from our MO?
                1. 0
                  27 February 2022 11: 10
                  Unfortunately you are right...
                  1. +4
                    27 February 2022 14: 53
                    As where"? In Rosmulfilm, where else in the "victorious reports" on the production of "unparalleled in the world", for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, as well as about "successful measures to protect" the Russian banking sector and economy ... on the basis of which he started all this ... And by the way, the forum began to clean up "inconvenient" articles and comments that did not fit into the official propaganda picture (for example, an article about the defeat on the information front) ... and articles about "heroism" began to appear - a bad sign ...
                2. +4
                  27 February 2022 18: 17
                  Quote: Jacket in stock
                  the same mentioned Azerbaijanis flooded the entire Internet with their videos about their victories, filmed from their UAVs.
                  Where is it all from our MO?

                  What, bread and circuses? What, he thinks, we suddenly forgot how to shoot sharply after Syria?
                  What goals did Azerbaijan have and what do we have? Now, if Ukraine attacked us and the Internet was filled with official videos of how our equipment and people are being destroyed, then if you were a peaceful layman, would you easily agree to peace with the aggressor? And if you were a military man, what would prevail in your soul - fear or an acute desire for revenge? That's because our leadership knows the answer to such questions, which is why there are no videos from the Ministry of Defense.

                  And the heroes will be shown after the fight, don't worry.
            4. -17
              27 February 2022 11: 29
              Woman, what would you understand there .. cook borscht, go, well, don’t go there, you don’t know what! Well, what do you think of modern war? , what to sweep everything to hell, regardless of civilian losses? The main task of the LPR and DPR is to keep the most prepared units of the Ukrainian army ..
              well, one of the most. Once again, you don’t have to climb there, you don’t understand anything
              1. +1
                27 February 2022 14: 39
                A woman writes correctly.
                1. -3
                  27 February 2022 14: 44
                  What does she write correctly? Can you imagine if a caliber with its warhead hits a village, a village, where hail or a howitzer stands between the houses ??
                  Modern warfare? And remember 2003, the most advanced weapon, more than 350 thousand US military and their allies invaded Iraq, on March 20, there, the Iraqi army was about the same as the Ukrainian and Americans, I dreamed all the hell with active actions until April 15 , moreover, in Iraq there is a huge darkness of desert places, and not densely populated conglomerates of Donbass.
                  The main efforts of our troops are in Ukraine, and the LPR and DPR are working in the Donbass
                  1. -2
                    27 February 2022 14: 48
                    She does not write about calibers, but about the use of military aircraft and drones. In general, this war has already shown that the Russian army was armed with the wrong things. The same "Lancets" seem to forever remain a dream. This is not Putin's fault, but the stupid warriors from our Defense Ministry, who still live with their views on the war of the 70s of the 20th century.
                    In general, the campaign has essentially failed. In 3-4 days, Moscow itself will already be begging for negotiations.
                    1. -2
                      27 February 2022 15: 01
                      All smart, did you serve in the army?
                      1. +3
                        27 February 2022 20: 39
                        You don't have to be in the military to be smart. Some are in the aviation, some in the navy. Some don't serve at all, but some are smart. For example, I often have to visit MEPhI - there are no problems at all with someone's mind.
            5. +1
              1 March 2022 01: 28
              Quote: gorenina91
              And you came out on the podium, you have to be responsible for your words expressed in public
              .
              - I didn’t want to answer - but I just got it !!!
              - I am responsible for my words !!!
              - How is it possible to conduct military operations in such a way - literally - as under Tsar Pea and with the same military means of the period of "King Pea" !!! - Where is our modern army and modern warfare methods ???
              - Even the Azerbaijanis in Karabakh fought competently and professionally, using more or less modern equipment !!!
              - What's going on now???
              - Uncovered from the air, the columns of our equipment are calmly moving through unfamiliar terrain - where they can easily be fired upon and destroyed !!!
              - And where are the strikes of our VKS, MLRS, missile strikes on the Armed Forces of Ukraine ??? - Columns of APU vehicles easily move and no one destroys them (and where do APU get fuel and lubricants?); and they have plenty of ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - they fire without ceasing !!!
              What do you disagree with what I said? - Tell yourself!!!

              All of the above is there, subscribe to the military review channel, a surprisingly good channel. There are a lot of videos with the work of the Aerospace Forces, and with the work of the RSZO and with missile strikes and with the burned columns of the Armed Forces, though we have enough losses and all these losses in cities where we do not work from artillery and RSZO of the same. Every night some warehouses, military units explode. And air cover is difficult due to the large number of MANPADS, and you can’t rise high, not all air defense has yet been knocked out. But I agree with the UAV, their work is not visible, although almost all the video that is available to us is a video shot on phones, you cannot shoot the work of a UAV on a phone. It seems to me that our MO is a lot of tufts, for me, if you have a weapon or a Molotov cocktail in your hands, then you are the target, no matter what you are wearing tights. And if they put equipment in the courtyard of the house, then this is also a goal.
          2. AUL
            +16
            27 February 2022 09: 29
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Nerves are naughty, let him run away to a psychiatrist.

            Can you actually answer at least one of her questions?
            1. -11
              27 February 2022 11: 34
              I can not. smile
              Let him turn to the information bureau of the Russian General Staff.
          3. +1
            27 February 2022 11: 37
            How does she know whether drones are used or not. How does she know about the VKS and Otrk strikes? Sitting on the couch or even on the toilet.
            More like an attempt to obtain operational information from the knowledgeable, but unrestrained.
            1. +4
              27 February 2022 12: 15
              That's right...sometimes members of the forum are held for suckers trying to pull out useful information.
              I vowed to post detailed information ... it's easy to get under the article.
              It's easier to work with slogans. hi
      2. +8
        27 February 2022 13: 26
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Well, on the other hand, you are our strategist ... address all questions to the Russian General Staff.
        Shamanov proposed not to storm Kyiv, but to confine himself to a siege.

        What a person wrote wrong. Some telegram channels are painful to watch. Our guys are lying, who were sent without any overlap into the battle of the Year, small drones of battalion groups, to track ambush from above. Why are the columns without cover, where is the BTR 82A. We went to Kharkov on Kamaz trucks (they showed us in the morning). Then they are already fucked up .. Where, where, where?
    2. -36
      27 February 2022 07: 00
      Quote: gorenina91
      - I repeat again - for the umpteenth time! - Where is aviation - VKS where, where are our UAVs, where is helicopter cover ??? - Where are the missile strikes, MLRS, where is the real powerful artillery ???
      - What else can be the LPR and DPR police (this police can only be used for cleansing and defense, and not for attacks against the Armed Forces of Ukraine) ??? - How can some kind of police on light armored vehicles and with a small number of tanks resist (and even attack) the regular army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ???
      - Why weren't all fuel depots and arsenals with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed and burned ??? - Where do the Armed Forces of Ukraine get fuel, fuel and lubricants and such an abundance of shells and ammunition ??? - Why are there no real air strikes against them ???
      - What other columns of tanks and armored vehicles can be without cover ???
      - Yes, you can see Shoigu - still that "strategist" !!!

      I don't understand what questions? Ros. don't watch TV? The Armed Forces of Ukraine demoralized and massively surrender! Resistance is provided by a handful of Nazis, a cat. are destroyed. Here is the victory! Hooray!
      1. -2
        27 February 2022 07: 15
        I don't understand what questions? Ros. don't watch TV? The Armed Forces of Ukraine demoralized and massively surrender! Resistance is provided by a handful of Nazis, a cat. are destroyed. Here is the victory! Hooray

        - Understood - your sarcasm !!!
        - But it's not funny anymore! - Everything is much more tragic !!!
        - As if Russia - would not have to give Crimea again to Ukraine at all !!! - Another week of such a "successful war" and you will have to "agree to negotiations on any terms" !!! - In order to "avoid The Hague" to all our leadership !!!
        - Russia needs to win - no matter what !!! - But, it seems that - bad luck Zelensky is starting to get lucky !!!
        - And our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have not yet seen progress !!!
        - My plus to you ...
        1. -30
          27 February 2022 07: 18
          It's nice to talk to smart...
        2. +14
          27 February 2022 09: 41
          Quote: gorenina91
          My plus for you..

          Congratulations!
          you plus an outright provocateur!
          what can I say ...
          they flocked to your "emotional" comments on the verge of a foul like flies to jam
          keep up the good work
          and more exclamation marks

          I already wrote that I consider such comments to be banal alarmism.
          conscious or unconscious is another question
          but they fit well with the comments of professional bots and instigators on the other side of the barricades
          1. +6
            27 February 2022 11: 31
            smile How easily people are led to even a slight provocation.
            Eh... that's why the West sometimes wins information wars.
        3. +11
          27 February 2022 11: 15
          Victory by all means?! Is it like in Finnish (winter) - having paid with the lives of your soldiers in a ratio of several (up to ten, according to some estimates) for one enemy? For a long time there have not been so many superfluous people in Russia for such "victories". Although they adopted a law that allows them to hide their losses, sooner or later everything will be revealed, and then someone will have to report, proving the inevitability and justification of the victims.
        4. -6
          27 February 2022 11: 31
          To the kitchen, to the stove!
    3. +7
      27 February 2022 07: 45
      Putin needs a victory with the least losses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine! He said - "he still has to negotiate with them." All cheers for the patriots on the front line. Put in tanks with panzer nets above the tower and forward to the "expired" javelins ...
    4. +20
      27 February 2022 09: 18
      Calm down. VKS strikes take place at warehouses, fuel storage facilities, columns and positions of the enemy. There is more than enough information on this. Yes, we would like more and better, but we have what we have. With the fact that we have big problems with equipping the Aerospace Forces with modern weapons and equipment, I wrote for a long time. The quality and quantity of UAVs, high-precision missiles and V-P bombs, reconnaissance equipment and electronic warfare systems leaves much to be desired. The enemy’s air defense has not been completely destroyed, the saturation of MANPADS and military air defense is high, this also adds problems.
      But there are blows, ours are fighting bravely and skillfully, there are no questions about the ground operation. And do not forget the war has been going on for 4 days, for the same unfortunate piece of land under the name of Karabakh they fought for 44 days. The scale of the territories is simply incomparable, we have already liberated a dozen Karabakhs in terms of area. Victory will be ours.
    5. +13
      27 February 2022 12: 11
      1. Infrastructure (military) and especially zealous fighters are destroyed (they give a chance to surrender to those who wish, minimize losses on both sides).
      2. They occupy key points, finish off warehouses, equipment and hunters to make war (still give a chance ...)
      3. Units are introduced to control and clear occupied points (still give a chance ...)
      4. They will not occupy everything, and even more so the cities (as during the Second World War). Is it not advisable and is it necessary? especially in the form of partisans.
      5. There is a "cleansing", not a full-scale war. There are no forces and opportunities for this. It is necessary to save something just in case, otherwise it is full of violent neighbors.
      6. 7. 8. etc. most importantly, the surprise factor worked, many counted on a gradual escalation. As well as not owning complete information it is useless, to prove and demand something, one can only guess.
      And considering that a lot has changed after Syria, it’s probably not fools who planned everything and the operation was planned in advance 100% (as well as the recognition of the LPR and DPR).
    6. -1
      27 February 2022 13: 21
      Warrior, go on your computer to the strategy, drive calm down the boy.
    7. -7
      27 February 2022 13: 28
      Another Marusya-boguslavka.
    8. +5
      27 February 2022 13: 32
      Aviation - I think, in other directions. Alas, we don’t have much of it, and in the current situation, exposing the rest of the western and not only borders is deadly ..

      MLRS and a powerful artel are extremely difficult to use given that the Ukrainian Wehrmacht is digging in in cities. Or do you propose, say, to iron Mariupol like the Americans Mosul?

      Warehouses destroyed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine - as I understand it, they still drive on the operational remains of fuel and lubricants in parts. It should be over soon..

      Columns without cover - yes, a real problem. But what is there to cover up with? Our number is no more than that of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the moment, to put a tank at every intersection - there will not be enough strength.

      It seems that the main task is to encircle the Donetsk group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And for the sake of this - they are rushing forward, sacrificing security. To what extent this is justified - we will soon find out ..
    9. +3
      27 February 2022 14: 52
      - Yes, you can see Shoigu - still that "strategist" !!!

      So the army is commanded by the General Staff, and the Minister is a political figure
    10. +8
      27 February 2022 15: 29
      I am a Kuban, but I live and work in Central Russia, my mother remained in the Kuban in the city of Primorsko-Akhtarsk. Ukraine is there across the sea, about 150 km to Mariupol and Berdyansk in a straight line. Airfield under the city. At the Su-25 airfield (those "scallops" that complete the aviation part of the parade in Moscow and draw the Tricolor, it's them, the Akhtars), Su-24, enemy voices said that they relocated a couple of Su-34s there, but the photo is of such quality that you will understand the hell, but that's not the point.
      Mother writes that yesterday they made noise almost without interruption, and hardly practiced throwing FAB across the estuaries. That is, aviation works. Another issue is that they don't show it. Coverage of the conflict, in general, through our ass. Well, yes, God bless him. The main thing is that the result is, and then we'll watch the movie.
      By the way, on the third day something allegedly flew in the direction of the airfield, there was a strong explosion. Maybe, at the same time as Millerovo, they launched a "fool" against Akhtari. But the tooth is not ready to give. The explosion was fact, the rest is fantasy.
    11. +1
      27 February 2022 18: 10
      You are confusing tasty with hot. The task of the DPR and OSR fighters is to tie down the enemy forces and prevent them from leaving their places. Well, develop the offensive, if possible. Also, because there is not enough manpower, vehicles often move faster than accompanying infantry. So she gets more. True, now, apparently, the tactics have been changed. They process the direction of movement of the Grads according to the identified targets and artillery, and then they go, reconnaissance, and only then the infantry with the support of tanks. And if there is a detection of manpower, they shoot to kill from long distances. Therefore, the pace is not high. Well, more. If they immediately tried to break into the settlement and capture it, now they simply began to surround or bypass it, blocking it, in order to identify enemy forces and means at this point. In short, the militias get smarter very quickly. And the losses in this direction could not but be based on the density of enemy troops created in recent months.
    12. +5
      27 February 2022 18: 36
      Quote: gorenina91
      Where... Where... Where... ?
      As for me - a banal dizziness from the success of the first day of the operation. But I think they have already understood that it will not work with "little bloodshed", and they will draw conclusions.
      Where are the missile strikes, MLRS, where is the real powerful artillery?
      The troops of the Russian Federation have an order to protect civilian infrastructure and the life of civilians. Plus - they suspended the offensive yesterday, when the Ukrainians imitated an attempt at negotiations (but in fact they regrouped and retreated to reserve lines).
      where are our UAVs
      - UAVs are not used due to the strong countermeasures of the EW/REW of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They could not be destroyed by the first blow, now they are dispersed and are actively working.
      where is the helicopter cover?
      everything is there, helicopters are used in such a massive way that the Russian army has never used it before.
      Only one landing near Gostomel - more than 200 helicopters were involved.
      Unfortunately, there are also losses (where is the KOEP on helicopters, your mother?! sorry, the cry of the soul since the days of Syria).
      What else can be the police of the LNR and DNR
      The People's Militia is just a name, but it is a full-fledged military force with a sufficient amount of armored vehicles and artillery.
      Why weren't all fuel depots and arsenals with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed and burned?
      They are slowly being destroyed. Many objects are located dangerously close to the civilian population, therefore, their destruction is difficult.
      So, the media space is already littered with fakes, it’s not worth adding real meat there.
      What other columns of tanks and armored vehicles can be without cover?
      This x##nya is eternal - it happened and is happening in any army in the world during every conflict - either circumstances or slovenliness are forced to launch columns without cover - and they are ambushed or covered with fire.
      It was, is and will be - it remains only to come to terms with it.
      Shoigu is still that "strategist"!

      Shoigu is not a military man at all, he is an EMERCOM nickname. I think that in the whole plan of this operation, his share of participation is no more than a few signatures on documents.
      All claims to the General Staff (and commanders on the ground - but since we are not in their place, we have no right to criticize them).
      1. -1
        4 March 2022 08: 19
        But I think they have already understood that it will not work with "little bloodshed", and they will draw conclusions.

        And what will be the conclusions - now we need a lot of blood?
    13. -1
      27 February 2022 18: 38
      Lady, don't be hysterical. I understand, of course, you are all right, but our country is not America, in other words, resources are limited. We do not have so many planes to cover everything and planes cannot fly 24 hours a day. UAVs are mostly in the "TV", at least drums, so it's better not to think about them. This is the answer to all subsequent questions about warehouses. As one Israeli said, the goals for the videoconferencing end in about 30 days, and you want everything to be fine with us on the third day? This is with incommensurable territories ???
      In general, there is no need to hysteria.
    14. +3
      27 February 2022 20: 51
      Shoigu has nothing to do with it at all, the General Staff is engaged in planning military operations. Shoigu clerk.
  5. +10
    27 February 2022 06: 25
    The main thing is that the fathers-commanders draw timely and correct conclusions from the experience gained.
    Of course, it's a pity for the fighters. But war is war. It gets killed from time to time.
    1. +2
      27 February 2022 08: 46
      That's for sure. Do not sit at the keyboard in RTS.
  6. +22
    27 February 2022 07: 37
    It is difficult to assume something, but the hope that in the southeast, the majority will meet us with bread and salt, did not materialize. No, of course there are ours there, but they will, wait, take risks, not knowing how long the Russian Federation will go, no one will. The success of the first day suggests that the idea is bold and good, not to mention the fact that ours showed themselves with dignity and heroism.
    Of course, smart and competent people are planning, but personally, I would like something a little different. With the start of the operation, practically no measures were taken to suppress the main grouping in the Donbass. Missile strikes in depth could be synchronized with such a strike. In the Donbass, the weather was fine - to suppress air defense, to work out aviation and artillery on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the BD line. Thus, inflict significant damage on the enemy at the forefront, draw their reserves from the depths, and not only in the Donbass, with their subsequent destruction on the march. This would also significantly reduce the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to shell settlements.
    I hope that the new day will bring more optimism in terms of getting out of the situation when it is "not possible" to shoot - there are "friends" there, and "to stand" is harmful and dangerous.
    1. +8
      27 February 2022 08: 00
      I hope that the new day will bring more optimism in terms of getting out of the situation when it is “not possible” to shoot, - there are “friends”, and “to stand” is harmful and dangerous

      - Alas; but I hope so too! - But nothing has changed!
      - All the same, our flawed media repeat the same "victorious reports" - and the same thing can be played all day long !!! - And at the same time - they constantly demonstrate in their videos - how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are destroying the economy and the civil structure of the LPR and DPR !!! - And - it is in these reports that every time more and more new videos and more and more victims are shown !!! - And these reports about the tragedy in the LPR and DPR - of course you believe - everything is really and reliably presented there !!! - But - in endlessly repeating the same "victorious reports" - somehow I can't believe it !!! - There, almost everything is presented schematically and unfounded - "believe it or not" !!!
      - And it is our Russian media that provide all this - there are no enemies here either !!!
      1. +5
        27 February 2022 14: 35
        Quote: gorenina91
        - Alas; but I hope so too!

        You are an interesting personality GoreNina91. The personal pronoun "I" inside the sentence is written in capital letters in English. There such a rule is instilled from childhood. In the Russian-speaking environment, this rule is absent, and in the middle of the sentence "I" is written with a lowercase (small) letter. Where did you come from to us? For what purposes?
    2. +11
      27 February 2022 09: 05
      In order to be greeted with bread and salt, it is necessary not to pass by the houses in a column, but to leave your garrison there so that it protects from the hidden scumbag neighbors.
    3. +2
      27 February 2022 14: 55
      It is difficult to assume something, but the hope that in the southeast, the majority will meet us with bread and salt, did not materialize.

      Absolutely not meet. I talked today with a childhood friend from Odessa. Nobody is waiting for us there. Even if they are not happy with their power, but this is their power and they are not on our side. The ukronations helped to unite again. In some ways, there was again a mistake of the headquarters. No one there knows and does not understand the situation and mood.
      1. 0
        27 February 2022 15: 38
        Quote: Stepan S
        No one there knows and does not understand the situation and mood.

        Partly right. I emphasize PARTLY. Never speak for all people. All people are different and not a single person can say that they say there is NO ONE ..
        This immediately begins to look like a cheap agitation, with the aim of formatting consciousness.
        1. +1
          28 February 2022 21: 05
          Partly right. I emphasize PARTLY

          Yes, I agree that someone is waiting, someone can be easily reformatted with sufficient diligence. But there is a problem. If they hated the Nazis until that time, now they have begun to support and this is bad. What will we do then, after the destruction of the army? They won't thank you for sure. And how is there power to change to a loyal one? It worries me that simply by defeating the army, we will not get the desired result. They will again choose the same ghouls for themselves, now they will still be heroes for them.
          1. +1
            28 February 2022 22: 35
            I just (literally half an hour ago) talked with a friend from Odessa. Exactly the opposite information. Odessans have been talking obscenities for a long time when you ask them about the Ukronazis.
            Therefore, the criterion "and here I have", "but my friend says" that "NO ONE IS..." - DOES NOT WORK.
            Let me reiterate that everyone is different. And certainly not worth arguing for the whole of Odessa.
            Another question is that, as the same friend of mine said, a very large number of Svidomo raguli arrived in Odessa, with families who occupied the housing of people who had fled from there, in 2014. And these will be difficult to pick out. In addition, there is a very difficult terrain, estuaries, floodplains, etc., where you can scuttle. Again, near the Romanian border.
            In general, we will see how it turns out there. It is a pity that not with my own eyes, the old one has already become .. ((
            1. +1
              28 February 2022 22: 45
              I just (literally half an hour ago) talked with a friend from Odessa.

              We get one-one. I have three friends in Odessa. I communicate with them. Before all this, they did not like the Nazis and their government, but now they all support the president as one, everyone is ready to go to war, and everyone says that now what kind of friendship can there be when they did this. Everything is not clear. Something went wrong.
              1. +2
                1 March 2022 02: 37
                What can you say? In these eight years, your buddies have been completely brainwashed for not understanding a simple thing. There is no war between Russia and Ukraine. There is a confrontation between the Slavs, with their orthodox cultural values, on the one hand, and the fourth international represented by the United States, and soldered them, on the other hand. But in order to understand this, you need to have critical thinking, and just the desire to think, and not repeat television / Internet chants and the desire to join the general flock, to be like everyone else.
                1. -1
                  3 March 2022 20: 58
                  If in your opinion "There is no war between Russia and Ukraine", then this is hardly called "critical thinking", rather fantastic.
                  You don't like that Stepan's friends don't want to live in Russia, you want them to join your flock, but every person has his own opinion! Is it really necessary to kill all dissenters?
  7. -6
    27 February 2022 08: 54
    Quote: gorenina91
    I will repeat again - for the umpteenth time!!! - Where is aviation - VKS where, where are our UAVs, where is helicopter cover ??? - Where are the missile strikes, MLRS, where is the real powerful artillery ???

    On TV...
  8. +5
    27 February 2022 09: 24
    Any ATGM is a threat to a Javelin, Kornet or Stugna tank, and one cartridge in a machine gun or rifle can kill a soldier, but all this has not canceled the war.

    It is necessary to fight not stupidly in the forehead, but to use the right tactics.

    If it is known that the enemy has a lot of anti-tank systems and he hits at 2,5 km, then you probably shouldn’t put tanks in the first line during an attack, but keep them in touch with the infantry, but behind it as self-propelled guns to suppress firing points and enemy equipment identified by observers.
    1. -1
      27 February 2022 09: 43
      And in which Instruction did you read that tanks, as a fire support group, rod ahead of the infantry?
      1. -2
        27 February 2022 11: 38
        And in which Instruction did you read that tanks, as a fire support group, rod ahead of the infantry?


        Well, put it in front as in the Manual - they will immediately be burned and the infantry will generally be left without support !!!

        When all the instructions were written, the calculation was that, at least from the front, the armor of the tanks protects it from both RPGs and ATGMs, but now this is not the case, the tank is hit by the first missile with a probability of more than 90%.

        Therefore, now a tank is not armor, but simply a self-propelled gun, and if you put it in front of the attacking formations, then you will be left without it altogether.
        1. +2
          27 February 2022 13: 17
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Well, put it in front as in the Manual - they will immediately be burned and the infantry will generally be left without support !!!

          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Well, put it in front as in the Manual - they will immediately be burned and the infantry will generally be left without support !!!
          An eyewitness or a participant in the events?
          Just, in the Manual, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles go behind the motorized rifle squad, platoon, company! And not the way you presented it in your first comment, and now you are getting out.
  9. -1
    27 February 2022 09: 44
    American SMAW grenade launchers and the same Javelin anti-tank systems, which, according to some experts, “do not pose a serious threat,” burned our equipment. Here is how the situation was described by Andrey Morozov, a fighter of the “Ghost” battalion, NM of the LPR, in his LiveJournal.

    So it seems that our aviation supports them, there are drones for reconnaissance. The United States in Iraq has always supported ground combat at the same time by aviation, and there was such awareness that each pilot knew the location of his units in battle and maintained direct communication, which excluded strikes against his own.
    1. +2
      27 February 2022 18: 25
      You can't imagine how many of their troops and allies were destroyed by friendly fire by the Americans and the British just in Iraq, in Afghanistan. About ,, every pilot knew, these are fairy tales about a white bull. A combat mission was assigned (a target for destruction) and the pilots carried it out. Sometimes they hit their own, because they did not have information about the change in the situation in the target area. Or they struck, where there was only a civilian, without correctly determining the target
  10. +7
    27 February 2022 09: 54
    Probably also affected by the limited use of heavy weapons in residential areas, because of the danger of injuring the civilian population. Abroad, high-precision, but limited in terms of damaging effect, weapons are given great attention. Expensive, but it would be useful to us now. It is a pity that the "Derivation-Air Defense" did not enter service, which could effectively work on the Javelin anti-tank systems.
  11. 0
    27 February 2022 11: 07
    The Russian army, of course, is two heads stronger than the Ukrainian one, however, judging by what we are seeing at the moment, a military special operation for the RF Armed Forces will definitely not be an easy walk. For eight years, the Ukrainian military was brainwashed and prepared for war with Russia, which could not remain without consequences - the Ukrainian soldier was mentally prepared for such a development of events.
    There is no doubt that the People's Militia of the LPR will liberate the entire territory of the republic in the next few days and reach the administrative borders of the former Luhansk region, but there are still several tough battles ahead. Well, for the jingoistic patriots and highly paid experts who talk about the "non-threat" Javelin ATGMs, I advise you not to be surprised when Ukrainian propagandists post photos on the net with the military equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and LDNR destroyed by them with the help of this ATGM.
    Sane people knew and understood this in advance ...
  12. +1
    27 February 2022 11: 47
    It is necessary to change tactics, infantry, followed by tanks to suppress firing points.
  13. +4
    27 February 2022 11: 57
    A military special operation for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will definitely not be an easy walk.

    in order to make it easier, it is necessary to discard stupidity and act as the commander in chief said:
    all responsibility for possible bloodshed will be entirely on the conscience of the regime ruling on the territory of Ukraine.

    will they hate us? no need to be afraid, they have been hating us for a long time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis are hiding behind civilians, and they stare because of the ficus, only the bombing remains! pointwise, once or twice solo will reduce the desire to hide
  14. +6
    27 February 2022 11: 59
    And already, as it were, not 13-14 years in the yard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are no longer the same.
    This is to be expected.
  15. +1
    27 February 2022 13: 30
    Not a relative of Biryukov from the censor for an hour?! wink
  16. +1
    27 February 2022 13: 43
    Quote: gorenina91
    Yes, you can see Shoigu is still that "strategist" !!!

    And who are you to know where "the one" is, where "the wrong one" is? What you write about is the level of the General Staff Officer. With one hand to point "forward" and with the other hand to hold back - this is our old tradition since the 18th century. To neutralize it, we need not Shoigu, but Suvorov or Nakhimov.
  17. AML
    +6
    27 February 2022 13: 53
    The slowdown in progress is also associated with a huge amount of everything that cannot be left behind just like that.
    For show, the building of the Kiev Rada could have been seized on the first day, but with a high degree of probability they would not have been able to hold it. And the capture group would have been simply destroyed. Terminators are only in the Ukrainian army, and in the army of the Russian Federation, guys of the same species as us are a reasonable person.
    It is purely my opinion that the operation is carried out according to a completely sane plan. Of course, there are miscalculations, and there are very critical ones, but in general, the norms.

    But where the Russian Federation is clearly losing is in the information field. Now it does not make sense, but in the future this component should be developed.
    1. +6
      27 February 2022 14: 14
      Quote: AML
      the operation is carried out according to a completely sane plan

      here's a sizk now, I'm watching footage from Kharkov - lightly armored tigers are at the forefront of the attack, with them tented Kamaz trucks. 15 minutes later - burning or abandoned tigers, killed and captured Russian soldiers. I personally have questions about this plan
  18. +1
    27 February 2022 14: 06
    There is a scenario i.e. its plan must be carried out, losses are inevitable, but orders must be carried out because the ultimate goal is the defeat of the Nazis and their associates.
  19. +6
    27 February 2022 14: 11
    KAZ on each tank - for such a land power as Russia is necessary like bread, like air. This is more important than drones and is comparable in priority to nuclear weapons. And even more important than the entire fleet combined. Without a kaz in front of any normal enemy, the current tank is just a target. The first task for the military-industrial complex, on which it was necessary to start 20 years ago. But ... They began to work on attack drones only after Karabakh, they will probably think about normal all-angle kazy after dozens, or even hundreds, of destroyed tanks in Ukraine. Thunder will not strike - Russian generals will not cross themselves.
  20. +3
    27 February 2022 14: 38
    Lots of tips here on how...
    It is clear that we do not have enough strength. Experts have been warning about this for a long time!! Too much territory and objects for this number. And even non-experts feel the lack of air support and heavy calibers. The LPR police will be defeated if our personnel officers do not come to them. And the west can strike! Entering the battle 10-20 F35. AND?
    1. +2
      27 February 2022 16: 13
      The fact of the matter is that it was necessary to immediately hit the Donbass grouping with all the forces and means, to hit the suitable reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not scatter all the forces. What's done is done, and ahead is a hard, long campaign with positional battles.
  21. 0
    27 February 2022 16: 32
    Can anyone tell me how the javelin understands that there is a tank underneath? Magnet, heat or something else?
    1. +1
      2 March 2022 10: 24
      The operator of the complex understands, aims at the target (not necessarily a tank). Then the rocket flies by itself.
  22. 0
    27 February 2022 17: 04
    Kharkov is not taken into the ring. Checkpoints are not everywhere, but only partially. The Armed Forces of Ukraine drive along the district from the south and east.
  23. -2
    27 February 2022 17: 11
    Have all the patience ... Based on the results, we'll talk ... what happened and what is in fact ... There should be negotiations - we'll see the results. What we guess as fortune-tellers... There is no war without blood. Didn't anyone die during the storming of Berlin? So here too...
  24. AML
    +1
    27 February 2022 17: 53
    Quote: Prometey
    The fact of the matter is that it was necessary to immediately hit the Donbass grouping with all the forces and means, to hit the suitable reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not scatter all the forces. What's done is done, and ahead is a hard, long campaign with positional battles.

    If we were talking about, say, Poland, then perhaps they would have done so. For this, a lot of resources are not needed. They would burn everything with a thermal bar and all the business. Ukrainian citizens are trying to protect. Although they are brainwashed, they are still ours. If a person is told every day that he is a pig, then sooner or later he will grunt.
  25. +1
    28 February 2022 01: 24
    I'll add criticism. Close Facebook. The third day to work with him is very difficult. Brakes! Loads for a long time. For a very long time. Pictures in ten minutes. And even then, muddy and fuzzy. Thus, we leave the battlefield to the enemy to send out a mass of fake information and simply agitate foreign users. You can't do this!
  26. +2
    28 February 2022 10: 40
    The use of the Armed Forces of the Javelin ATGM in the Donbass affected the capabilities of the LPR and the DPR for offensive operations

    There was a message on VO. There is our development "Cape" - it is a cover sewn to the size of a tank, infantry fighting vehicle or any other wheeled-tracked vehicle. The "cloak" is tailored in such a way that it completely covers, for example, a tank, including hinged dynamic protection. The camouflage performance is fantastic. The fabric consists of a special flame retardant synthetic thermal insulation material that reduces the temperature of its top layer to the same temperature as the surrounding air.
    https://rg.ru/2022/02/24/sozdany-kompleksy-zashchity-voennoj-tehniki-ot-samogo-vysokotochnogo-oruzhiia.html
    Why isn't she in service? Why is it so expensive and difficult to make them?
  27. 0
    28 February 2022 11: 30
    I hope that such a sad experience (and we discussed it more than once) will lead to equipping both the T72B3 and T90M KAZ tanks ..... and, in addition, the army will receive new infantry fighting vehicles
  28. +1
    28 February 2022 14: 52
    "...
    However, not because the People's Militia won in this direction, but because the Ukrainian military simply left it, as they had previously left Stanytsia Luhanska.
    ..."
    - it's fantastic...
    8-)))
    - that is, we were BROKEN FORONAL - not at all because we were GIVED IN THE FOREGO,
    But because we GOT ON THE FOREIGN...\
    - In this, you see - a GREAT DIFFERENCE. 8-))))))
    .
    The MOST IMPORTANT thing, gentlemen, ukrofascists - what is where YOU used to be
    - NOW YOU - THERE IS NO LONGER !!!!
    8-))
    and the flag to you in one place ...
  29. 0
    2 March 2022 12: 38
    A weapon, no matter who makes it, must be effective. Even the West underestimated the Kornet anti-tank missile, which instead proved effective, as did the Javelin. It's a pity that human ingenuity concentrates on these things.
  30. +1
    4 March 2022 01: 11
    Quote: YOUR
    We will not bombard such airfields

    And who is talking about airfields?
    Close up sky of Ukraine.
    Like the Americans in the SFRY, and shoot down aircraft whose transpods do not send the correct answer to the "friend or foe" request.
    Muscovites reminded the Americans how they destroyed this camp:

    https://t.me/grey_zone/12851
  31. 0
    6 March 2022 08: 28
    Any ATGM in urban environments is a serious problem. This problem was still in the Chechen war during the siege of Grozny.