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"Buratino" and "Sunlight". Quantity question

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In 2000, the press around the world reported on the use of new by Russian troops weapons. During the fighting for the village of Komsomolskoye (Chechen Republic), self-propelled heavy flamethrower systems TOC-1 “Buratino” fired at the positions of the militants. Soon after these messages, some details began to appear concerning the technical and combat characteristics of the complex. In addition, the high impact effectiveness of unguided rockets caused a specific reaction from some human rights defenders. These people considered the TOC-1 an inhumane weapon and even began to demand from the world community to condemn the actions of the Russian military. Nevertheless, the entire foreign reaction was limited only by restrained criticism and restrained praise. More than ten years have passed since then and the TOC-1 complex, along with its modernization of the TOC-1A, "Solntsepek" continues to be in service with the Russian RCBZ troops. At the same time, the total number of built heavy flame-throwing systems, according to various estimates, does not exceed two to three dozen. Why did the weapons, which received a lot of laudatory reviews and provoked a critical reaction, entered the army in such limited quantities? Let's try to figure it out.



Let's start in order. The basis of the combat vehicle of the TOS-1 and TOS-1A systems is the tracked chassis of the main combat tank T-72. Diesel engine V-46 with a capacity of 700 hp provides mobility and maneuverability to a 46-ton vehicle at the level of other armored vehicles, which allows it to operate as part of mobile strike groups. So, in the course of the already mentioned use of TOS-1 missiles for targets in the territory of the village of Komsomolsky, flamethrower systems were covered by T-72 tanks. Due to the same base and insignificant difference in the combat mass, Pinocchio and tanks did not have any problems in interacting on approaching and leaving the combat position. Modification TOS-1A "Solntsepek" received a new power plant - a diesel V-84MS with a capacity of more than 800 horsepower. This innovation to some extent improved the driving performance of the combat vehicle.

As you can see, the running performance of the Buratino and Solntsepe armored combat vehicles equipped with launchers could hardly have caused a small number of ordered vehicles. Perhaps, claims of the military are caused by other vehicles of the complex? Probably. The initial complex TOC-1 had a transport-charging vehicle (TZM) based on the KrAZ-255B truck. The wheeled chassis was equipped with a cargo crane and devices for the transport of unguided missiles. It is quite obvious that the wheeled chassis of the TZM flamethrower system had not such indicators of speed and maneuverability as the combat vehicle had. For this reason, the upgraded TOC-1А received a new transport-charging vehicle made on the chassis of the T-72 tank. The target equipment of the new TZM was modified accordingly. In addition, special armored jackets were added to the design, closing the missiles from bullets and fragments in the stowed position. Each combat vehicle of the Buratino and Solntsepek complexes is attached with two TZMs with a set of unguided rockets. If necessary, a number of trucks may be attached to the connection of flamethrowers to transport the stock of missiles, but in this case, for security reasons, it is required to bring the missiles to the combat vehicle exclusively on TZM with a closed housing.

Fighting vehicle BM-1 in firing position


So, all the machines of the complex are maximally unified and protected from enemy attacks. When creating a new version of a heavy flame-thrower system, a number of wishes of the military were taken into account, which, for example, led to a number of innovations related to the level of protection of ammunition and, as a result, machines. The main armament of both complexes - unguided missiles MO.101.04 and MO.1.01.04М caliber 220 millimeters. Both types of missiles are equipped with a volume-detonating or incendiary warhead. The first came projectile MO.101.04. With a length of 3,3 meters, it weighs more than 170 kg and has a maximum range of 3600 meters. The new MO.101.04M rocket is longer (3,7 meters), heavier (217 kg) and flies farther, six kilometers. Missile launch is made from a package of tubular guides. Externally, it is a box inside which are placed "nests" for rockets. On the combat vehicle of the TOC-1 complex there are 30 rails, on the TOC-1А - 24. The package of guides can be induced in the horizontal and vertical planes: the turning mechanism is installed on the seat of the standard turret of the T-72 tank. Vertical guidance is carried out by lifting the entire package.

One of the main differences between the original and the upgraded version of the flame-thrower system is a different number of guides for missiles. The reason for this was the peculiarities of the combat use of the complex. Since the maximum launching range of MO.101.04 type rockets was relatively small, the troops immediately began to take measures regarding the safety of the vehicle and crew. The space-detonating or incendiary warhead, having been damaged on the launcher, can destroy the entire machine. In order to avoid such incidents, even during the first applications of TOC-1 in Afghanistan (late eighties), the crews left the extreme side guides empty. Because of this, the relatively rare fragments and bullets of the enemy had almost no chance of damaging the missiles. Taking into account this experience, the engineers of the Omsk transport engineering design bureau redid the design of the launcher. Firstly, the “loss” of six missiles in practice did not have a significant effect on the effectiveness of the shooting. Therefore, only 24 guides were left. Secondly, the saved volume and weight was given to ensure the protection of missiles. Now the external lining of the launcher is made of armor plates and can withstand the hit of an armor-piercing bullet B-32 (cartridge 7,62х54 mm) from a distance 500 meters. Thus, the combat vehicle of the TOC-1A complex is practically not at risk of destruction as a result of damage to the missile warhead with small arms or splinters, especially when firing the MO.101.04М at a maximum range. With regard to the protection of the chassis and crew, the anti-shell protection of the armored hull of the T-72 tank does not withstand hitting only powerful cumulative and high-speed sub-caliber feathered projectiles.

Transport-loading machine TZM-T


The version of the inadequate protection of combat and transport-charging vehicles can also be deleted. Perhaps, the potential buyer is not satisfied with the fighting qualities of unguided missiles? You can immediately say: and satisfied, and no. Volley the first version of the ammunition - MO.101.04 - ensured the destruction of targets in an area of ​​up to two thousand square meters at distances up to 3,6 kilometer. A full volley when shooting at a maximum pace takes between six and twelve seconds. In terms of its effectiveness, a salvo of one combat vehicle is equal to the relatively long work of an artillery battery. At the same time, "Pinocchio" and "Solneptek" have no sufficiently large range of compatible ammunition: only incendiary and thermobaric. In some cases, the action of such combat units is insufficient, for example, when it is necessary to destroy any structure. This requires a direct hit of the projectile inside the target, followed by an explosion. Such features of the warheads of the MO.101.04 and MO.101.04М missiles severely limit the range of their use, although they increase the area of ​​destruction. The second problem of unguided rockets was their relatively short range. 3600 meters of the first version of the MO.101.04 missile were considered to be too short a range, especially in comparison with other multiple launch rocket systems. In the face of a collision with a seriously armed enemy, the use of TOC-1 or TOC-1А is a rather difficult task. With proper organization of interaction between units, the enemy, if it gives the combat vehicle a chance to enter the position, it will not allow launching. In this regard, heavy flamethrower systems again lose the "classic" MLRS. Thus, the Smerch 9K58 complex with the 300-mm 9М55С missile with a thermobaric warhead is capable of hitting targets from 25 to 70 kilometers, without endangering itself to return fire. At the same time, the warhead of the 9М55С rocket weighs a quarter more than the entire MO.101.04M rocket of the Solntsepe complex.

So, we have found that stumbling block that hinders the mass production of heavy flame-throwing systems and the equipping of troops with them. This is a specific ammunition, not giving the possibility of widespread use. Yes, in its combat effectiveness, it exceeds a number of other similar systems. But the price of this is the short range, the risk of catastrophic consequences if the ammunition is damaged, and the need for serious cover on the position. All these factors seriously reduce the possible conditions for the use of heavy flame-thrower systems. And the small range of available warheads for missiles is not conducive to frequent use. The combination of the pros and cons of the TOC-1 and TOC-1A systems makes it possible to give an approximate representation of the “ideal” situation in which the use of heavy flame-thrower systems will be reasonable and effective. This is the shelling of areal targets from a relatively short distance. In addition, the attacked enemy must have relatively weak training and not have serious anti-tank weapons or artillery. Thus, the ideal task for “Pinocchio” or “Suntsepek” is to strike at a camp or convoy of vehicles of a weak army or armed gangs. When using new shells MO.101.04M increased range, the general features of a hypothetical volley remain the same.

"Buratino" and "Sunlight". Quantity question


In general, in the case of the heavy flamethrower systems “Buratino” and “Sunlight”, we observe a specific situation. An interesting and undoubtedly promising project in practice turns out to be rather poorly adapted to real combat operations and requires the involvement of additional forces. Another reason why TOC-1 and TOC-1A were not ordered in large quantities relates to the specific tactical niche of the complexes. Of course, if necessary, it would be possible to increase the firing range of flame-throwing systems. But in this case, they will "overlap" with the existing MLRS. Meanwhile, purchases of new multiple-launch rocket systems continue, which cannot be said of heavy flame-throwing complexes. Thus, the only suitable tactical niche for heavy flame-throwing systems remains small special operations, where rapid deployment and immediate destruction of manpower and poorly protected equipment over a relatively large area are required. At the same time, the very idea of ​​a special salvo fire system for RCBZ troops is interesting and, possibly, promising. For example, MO.101.04 missiles can be equipped not only with a volume-detonating or incendiary warhead. On the basis of this munition, a special projectile can be created, carrying a mixture to extinguish fires. With such use of heavy flamethrower systems (it sounds ironic - fire extinguishing with the help of a flamethrower system), there is no need to provide fire cover for the combat vehicle, and all the advantages remain in full. Similarly, TOC-1 and TOC-1A are capable of eliminating small clouds of toxic substances or similar aerosols. However, the authors of the projects of heavy flamethrower systems have not yet presented alternative projects for their use and, it seems, do not even have such plans.


On the materials of the sites:
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
http://arms-expo.ru/
http://globalsecurity.org/
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/
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  1. itr
    itr 25 September 2012 08: 11
    +3
    In my opinion, Pinocchio appeared in the last year of Afghanistan ??
    1. ural70
      ural70 25 September 2012 10: 51
      +3
      According to my data, practically at the withdrawal of troops, the chief of staff told at one time about her that her effect made an indelible impression
      1. Priboi
        Priboi 27 September 2012 07: 18
        +4
        So, they first used it on terrorists? Not bad...
        I am satisfied am
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 2 October 2012 00: 41
          0
          Thus, the ideal task for Pinocchio or Solntsepek is to strike at a camp or convoy of vehicles of a weak army or armed bandit formations.

          and we just need it. War "front to front" as in 1941-1945 will no longer be, most likely the next war will be like in Syria, a gang of terrorists. And if such a gang is noticed, the very thing is to fire up such a "Butatina" on them, and there will be no wet place from them.
  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 25 September 2012 08: 23
    +5
    a beautiful car, yes, God forbid, getting hit by it ... yes, it was surprising to extinguish fires with the help of this magnificent flamethrower machine ...
    1. chistii20
      chistii20 27 September 2012 07: 31
      0
      Quote: sasha 19871987

      a beautiful car, yes, God forbid, hit it ... yes, it was surprising to extinguish fires with the help of this magnificent flamethrower machine ..

      correctly wrote
  3. Prohor
    Prohor 25 September 2012 08: 39
    +17
    It is incomprehensible that the complex is in the RKhBZ troops, it has a place in artillery or tank units.
    The wretched range of ammunition has become, unfortunately, the hallmark of Russian artillery! And the old woman BM-21, and "Hurricane", and "Smerch", and "Solntsepёk" - this is an uncultivated field for ammunition designers, sculpt anything - from agitation shells laughing to tactical nuclear!
    Did they die out, these designers? request
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 25 September 2012 09: 00
      +6
      Quote: Prokhor

      It is incomprehensible that the complex is in the RKhBZ troops, it has a place in artillery or tank units.

      And this is exactly what it is the main problem heavy flamethrower systems. With tank-busting, but artillery-for sure.
      Systems should be in service in units with a staff of artillery batteries. With the appropriate means of reconnaissance and surveillance, with personnel having artillery training. They must be subordinate to the chiefs of artillery brigades to which they are assigned to include them in the fire system of artillery units
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 February 2016 11: 58
        0
        The system was designed to degass / deactivate large areas. Therefore, chemists
    2. rennim
      rennim 25 September 2012 10: 04
      +14
      And you didn’t know what was bad with the designers now ... We’ve lost everyone ... Now we need damn lawyers ... we need
      1. nikoli25
        nikoli25 25 September 2012 14: 57
        +2
        the Yeltsin hatched all the specialists, leaked to the west
      2. geo1286
        geo1286 25 September 2012 22: 44
        +2
        But wherever you spit, the manager at the marketing and economist drives ....
      3. Larus
        Larus 27 September 2012 18: 51
        0
        On the website of the Ministry of Defense, the military is not needed, they need managers, economists and lawyers. Until now, not all real estate has been mastered, reinforcement is needed.
    3. datur
      datur 25 September 2012 13: 02
      +1
      Prohor, money and money again - that’s what it all comes down to !! as the cat Matroskin said, in order to sell something, you need to buy something !!!! Have you seen how our R&D is financed ???? you do it so that UH, BUT I won’t give you money - well, maybe then, probably !!!
    4. iwanniegrozny
      iwanniegrozny 25 September 2012 13: 50
      +5
      And "flamethrowers" have always been part of the chemical troops, so it was "custom"
  4. Trailer
    Trailer 25 September 2012 08: 44
    +3
    ". Similarly, TOS-1 and TOS-1A are capable of eliminating small clouds of toxic substances or similar aerosols." With such ideas, can you launch salutes from them? I’m a non-war person, but my imagination is enough to imagine how well these vehicles could cover military ground units from a sudden attack!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 September 2012 18: 51
      +3
      And at the border posts, too, would not hurt!
      1. starpom
        starpom 25 September 2012 22: 11
        +6
        Play "Damansky-2"
  5. pepelacxp
    pepelacxp 25 September 2012 09: 03
    +3
    great article "+"
  6. DIMS
    DIMS 25 September 2012 09: 11
    +6
    The range for such systems is not at all critical. They just cover the "dead zone" of the MLRS. Accuracy, ammunition nomenclature and tactics of use are critical.

    With fire-fighting use, the idea is very sound, only the base should be different, this one is redundant. Especially when fighting forest fires. And if you put one vehicle with trained crews at each ammunition storage base, it would be a fairy tale.
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 13 March 2014 13: 34
      0
      Yes sir!!! It is possible to cover a column of armored vehicles for 20-30 km with heavy MLRS. But the attack of an enemy tank company at the MSB position using TOC can be thwarted without any particular strain.
    2. your1970
      your1970 2 February 2016 12: 29
      0
      Dims
      In case of fire, beat in warehouses ??? belay good drinks
  7. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 25 September 2012 09: 27
    +2
    I can perfectly work against the Chinese army.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 September 2012 18: 52
      +3
      Uh-huh. If they go in a dense crowd, like in the movie "Chapaev"!
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 25 September 2012 20: 17
        -1
        unfortunately they will go
        1. Su24
          Su24 26 September 2012 19: 26
          0
          Why "Unfortunately?))
  8. igordok
    igordok 25 September 2012 10: 21
    +9
    Why was TOS-1 called Sunflower? It would be better to call Pinocchio-A, Malvina or Karabas-Barabas lol
    1. dixicon
      dixicon 25 September 2012 13: 14
      +1
      Well, in the light of "modern" tendencies, it is impossible to assign names with a reference to this fairy tale, it is also possible to corrupt the child's psyche. so neither
    2. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 25 September 2012 21: 24
      0
      Karabok- Barabok is also nothing !!!
    3. chistii20
      chistii20 27 September 2012 07: 38
      0
      igordok,
      And you didn’t pay attention to us. A lot of things connected with nature. And it’s a very formidable weapon. God forbid to get hit by Russian weapons
      1. igordok
        igordok 27 September 2012 15: 17
        0
        Yes, and the "flower" series, and the "river", But somehow "fabulous" names are not enough.
  9. understudy
    understudy 25 September 2012 10: 42
    +9
    Lyaya ... I'm surprised at the mental turbulence of common people and other "human rights activists" ... And what should be the WEAPON, except as "inhumane"?
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 25 September 2012 13: 00
      +6
      Under "inhumanity" usually means causing suffering, and from this point of view, "Buratino" is just an example of "humanism", because the enemy does not have to suffer after the explosion of a thermobaric ammunition ...
  10. IRBIS
    IRBIS 25 September 2012 10: 44
    +5
    Back in the 80s, while studying at VU, I heard about "Buratino", the teachers told me. Thirty years have passed. And all the same complex, and all the same disadvantages. It seems that the development of missile technology has passed by. And the complex is good in terms of firepower, especially when used in populated areas. It would be worth thinking about development.
  11. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 25 September 2012 11: 17
    +3
    Here you can recall the history of the FOG during the war years, this thing was a serious trump card "Initially, flamethrower units were separate companies of high-explosive flamethrowers. The company consisted of three platoons of three sections in each. The company had 180 flamethrowers. In total, from December 1941 to April 1942. 93 separate companies of high-explosive flamethrowers were formed in the summer of 1943, instead of the existing separate companies of high-explosive flamethrowers on horseback, flamethrower battalions of two types began to form: separate motorized anti-tank flamethrower battalions (OMPTOB) on mechanical traction and separate flamethrower battalions (OOB) on horseback by road.
    Their main difference was that the OMPTOB had a large number of people, weapons and vehicles. The battalions of the first type had 540 high-explosive flamethrowers each, and the second - 576. The battalions of high-explosive flamethrowers were attached to the combined arms armies and rifle corps and were used, as a rule, centrally in the combat formations of infantry and anti-tank artillery. "As soon as they were not used ... in defense , in the offensive, they were irreplaceable during the assault and put a fat point.For example, the storming of the railway station in Berlin ... the Germans resisted until they broke the floor and flooded the contents of the flamethrowers ... But the disadvantage is not a long distance of flamethrowing ... despite the appearance of the RPO they were not forgotten until 70 g and TPO-50M appeared ... the experience of that war should not be forgotten.
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 25 September 2012 12: 56
      +3
      As they just did not use ...
      That's right, the little thing is great, but very specific. It is for this reason that TOS does not need much, hundreds will be enough, just give it to the gunners and expand the range of BP.
      1. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 25 September 2012 14: 42
        0
        And he can create separate assault units and include Pinocchio, Tulips in the armament, what is planned Instead of the “Terminator” http://vpk-news.ru/articles/9317 engineer-engineer units ... that is, everything you need to quickly make ... an analogue of special assault battalions of engineering and combat engineer brigades since the Second World War.
        1. Su24
          Su24 26 September 2012 19: 36
          0
          And why in one unit have a 203-mm self-propelled guns with a range of up to 40 km, and a jet flame thrower with a range of 6 km?
          1. viruskvartirus
            viruskvartirus 27 September 2012 12: 46
            +2
            I recall how Tulpans were used during the storming of Grozny "When conducting military operations in urban conditions, the 240-mm self-propelled mortar" Tulip "was first used, which demonstrated great fire efficiency. - GN Troshev," Chechen Break: Diaries and Memories ".
            "A 240-mm mortar, firing both conventional and guided mines, is indispensable when storming fortified positions, as well as during military operations in settlements. For example, a 240-mm mortar can be placed at a distance of 10-20 meters from a multi-storey building, give the maximum elevation angle and when firing at 1st and 2nd (small) charges, the steepness of the fall of the mines becomes almost vertical, that is, you can hit the enemy who has taken refuge behind the opposite wall of the house. Explosions of 240-mm mines have a huge moral impact on the enemy. Especially the fanatical Muslims who, having lost their bodies, lose their chances of going to heaven, where each of them is expected to have 500 houris. "
  12. Bugor
    Bugor 25 September 2012 12: 55
    +1
    It seems that someone in the know posted that these "toys" are good at decontaminating the area after using bacteriological and other such weapons. Throw a link, pliz ...
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 25 September 2012 12: 59
      0
      Yeah, biological weapons burn out along with the diseased. Yes, all this nonsense, dear.
      1. Kars
        Kars 25 September 2012 13: 02
        +5
        By the way, no nonsense - these installations were developed as a counter to chemical weapons, burning phosgene, mustard gas, etc. there were even developments with turbojet engines on the Mazov chassis that would change the wind direction zonally.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 25 September 2012 13: 11
          +1
          The direction of the wind can be changed. It was definitely possible to create fires in the path of the cloud. But to burn out and even more so with the help of "Pinocchio" is like trying to kill a mosquito with a hammer on your own forehead
          1. Kars
            Kars 25 September 2012 14: 26
            0
            Quote: DIMS
            try to kill a forehead mosquito

            Well, when a cloud of poisonous gas floats in the direction of the hammer is not a hammer. Yes, and does not pull Pinocchio on a hammer, not even a fly swatter with a natyazhka.
            It turned out to be interesting - the German Nebelwerfer did to set the smoke curtains, but in the end they got the MLRS. Here they are the same.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 25 September 2012 14: 45
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Well, when a cloud of poisonous gas floats in the direction of the hammer is not a hammer. Yes, and does not pull Pinocchio on a hammer, not even a fly swatter with a natyazhka.

              This is all in theory. The times when gas was fired from its first trench towards the enemy with a favorable wind went back to World War I. In the case of real use, such fires will have to be created in their battle formations

              Quote: Kars
              It turned out to be interesting - the German Nebelwerfer did to set the smoke curtains, but in the end they got the MLRS. Here they are the same.

              The smokescreen is an allegory.
              1. Kars
                Kars 25 September 2012 14: 51
                +1
                Quote: DIMS
                Smoke screen is an allegory

                There is no allegory --- especially considering how well the Germans used the smoke.
                Quote: DIMS
                create in their battle formations

                Not necessarily, the modern war as such is mobile, so it’s hard for the enemy to create a cloud precisely in orders of magnitude. So Pinocchio can be difficult to use against a gas attack, but the idea itself.
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 25 September 2012 15: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  There is no allegory --- especially considering how well the Germans used the smoke.

                  Precisely an allegory. "Smoke battalions" were created for the use of toxic substances.

                  Quote: Kars
                  Not necessarily, the modern war as such is mobile, so it’s hard for the enemy to create a cloud precisely in orders of magnitude. So Pinocchio can be difficult to use against a gas attack, but the idea itself.

                  Maybe someone suggested this, "you can use it this way," and some group of experts kicked a baldon on this topic, but TOC was created from the very beginning precisely to defeat the enemy's railway.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 25 September 2012 16: 07
                    0
                    Quote: DIMS
                    "Smoke battalions" were created for the use of toxic substances

                    But it would have become oligoria if it hadn’t used smoke, but it’s just that it didn’t use chemical weapons. But in 1938 the PCx-132 was used to name poisonous substances
                    Quote: DIMS
                    TOC were created initially to defeat the enemy’s railways.

                    Then our strategists would think about a range of more than 3.5 km - especially when there were already BM-24 and M-24 F and FUD shells
        2. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 25 September 2012 14: 22
          +3
          Yes there was a scope. There was such a machine
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 25 September 2012 14: 33
            +1
            "Warming up"? It is somewhat differently intended
            1. viruskvartirus
              viruskvartirus 25 September 2012 17: 10
              0
              Yes, I know ... I just presented it as "developments with turbojet engines on the Mazov chassis to change the direction of the wind zonal." will look and remember about warming up ...
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 25 September 2012 19: 38
                0
                Yes, no, rather like this:

                Only stuccion is not for zonal wind changes, but for degassing, disinfection, decontamination and the creation of smoke screens.
                1. Dinver
                  Dinver 25 September 2012 23: 28
                  0
                  The machine in the photo is very similar to a hair dryer for cleaning the runway.
                2. Lieutenant colonel
                  Lieutenant colonel 26 September 2012 07: 39
                  0
                  You are not quite right. Degassing - removing droplet gases from the object (drying, physical removal - that is, handles), Disinfection - removing bacterial preparations and carriers of pathogens (steaming roasting - there are owls cars and trailers). Decontamination - removal of radioactive contamination from the surface of an object by exposure to a strong jet of air (possibly heated) or soap solutions using, say, an SF parachute and specialized containers such as ARS, etc. So this system is intended, as you rightly noted, to set up smoke screens and deactivate armored objects in motion. How this was conducted (and is being conducted) is a separate topic of conversation
        3. Lieutenant colonel
          Lieutenant colonel 26 September 2012 07: 26
          0
          These are installations for the decontamination of equipment and not "change the winds")))))
        4. Alex20042004
          Alex20042004 2 October 2014 13: 13
          0
          By the way, men. The Germans, when they first created unguided missiles, hoped that these missiles would deliver chemical weapons, because for chem. weapons do not need much precision.
  13. Bugor
    Bugor 25 September 2012 13: 23
    0
    Here I am about it ... Give a link, or a book, where to read it.
    Quote: DIMS
    biological weapons are burned out along with the diseased. Yes, all this nonsense, dear.

    Why not? Based on the realities of Vietnam - it could very well be ...

    Pts bad function on the site - "answer". It turns out that you can insert an answer into the thread that you have successfully passed ...
    2 DIMS. Why beat on OWN forehead. It is possible for someone else. A friendly contingent captures the territory. Taking into account the share :).
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 25 September 2012 14: 49
      +1
      The arrow to the right of the response time helps. hi
  14. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 25 September 2012 22: 12
    +2
    Heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1 "Buratino" were created for making passages in areas of contaminated terrain and minefields. They were in service with the RChBZ troops and engineering troops. The vehicle was not intended against infantry and equipment. The first time they used it in Afghanistan out of despair, since they could not get the "spirits" in the mountains either by aircraft or artillery. We decided to use Buratino. The effect was unexpected, no one expected this. In the epicenter of the explosions, people were torn to pieces, those "spirits" that were further away were dead, but without visible damage (as if they were frightened of something and died). When the bodies of the "spirits" were opened, it turned out that instead of the internal organs there was porridge. Back then, the European people raised a howl that the USSR had used a non-humane weapon against the "spirits." I had to abandon the application. After combat experience in Afghanistan, shells with a thermobaric warhead for MLRS were developed and adopted.
  15. Magadan
    Magadan 26 September 2012 07: 27
    +2
    I don’t understand why Solntsepek is compared to Tornado or Hurricane. Tornado is an offensive weapon, and Solntsepek is rather defensive. So what, that only shoots for 3 km, can you imagine if they are to be beaten from an ambush by an advancing enemy? Hit and disappear immediately if only a few seconds are required for a volley! They write that the enemy will not give him a shot, how is it? For example, a battle on the outskirts of a city: drove out of some garage and fired a volley within a minute. Will they have time to discover him in a minute? Or from an ambush in a forest along a column. A song, not a weapon. They certainly, with skillful actions can nullify any numerical superiority.
    1. Simon
      Simon 26 September 2012 14: 04
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      Nothing, the main idea is good, and you can develop it further. So time will pass and will shoot further. yes
    2. smel
      smel 26 September 2012 18: 22
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      Well, yes .. I made a volley and died.
  16. Larus
    Larus 27 September 2012 18: 53
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    I represent a combined unit consisting of tanks, pinocchio and terminator, flavored with motorized arrows.
  17. Artillerist
    Artillerist 30 September 2012 00: 28
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    It is advisable to have a TOS-1 battery in the amount of 6 units as part of the engineer battalion of the MSD. In any division there will be a place for such a battery, but considering that Russia is switching to a brigade organization of troops, I do not even know ..... where it can be "stuck".
  18. Romeohihnic
    Romeohihnic 8 October 2012 19: 07
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    TOS-1A "Solntsepek" was created on the basis of TOS-1 "Buratino". The system includes the BM-1 combat vehicle, which has 24 guides for incendiary and thermobaric missiles of 220 mm caliber. In addition, the TOS-1A includes the TZM-T transport and loading vehicle. "Solntsepek" is capable of striking enemy targets at ranges from 3,6 to six thousand meters (depending on the type of missile), and the area of ​​destruction is from one thousand to two thousand square meters.
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 8 August 2013 15: 01
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      ..and sho ???? But nothing that banged him when entering the firing line ???
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 February 2016 12: 40
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        A lot of stuffed?
        Isn’t he on the tank? That is, tanks at the same frontier exactly in the same danger — that is, CBT.
        It is necessary to cover with infantry, if the commanders are normal ... And if the maydauns, they were not taught this ....
  19. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
    Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 8 August 2013 14: 59
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    Heh heh !! Much Tukhachevsky recalls: a formidable, terrible, expensive weapon, has already been put into production .... but there is nowhere to use it, or the use of a crane is a failure.

    And what did you think before releasing ?????