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How and how to shoot down Russian planes

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When this material comes out, the Russian armadas will not once again cross the border of Ukraine and will not go to Kiev. And this is just fine for Ukraine, because ahead tank wedges driven into the well-frozen Ukrainian black soil, not countless, but significant flocks of Su-24s, Su-25s and Su-34s will fly, demolishing everything on earth. You can, of course, plow the Tu-22M, but this is already too much, it seems to me, because there will not be so many targets on earth.


The question arises: what will the glorious fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do with all this?

From the materials of the Ukrainian media, I regularly conclude that the cyborgs are going to fight exclusively as in the Donbass, that is, without planes, helicopters, tactical missiles and other modernities. Exclusively tanks, infantry and artillery.

Involuntarily, you will remember the times of the First World War.

However, we have everything we need. And in Ukraine there are, oddly enough, sober heads who are well aware that the best description of everything that is happening is the word “haplyk”. If the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov himself says that the country's air defense system needs to be improved, this can only mean that it (the system) actually does not exist.

When, after the events of 1991, the inheritance of the Soviet army was divided, Ukraine got a lot of useful things. But 30 years have passed, and it's easier to appreciate what's left. And there really isn't much left. All this, according to the world media, will soon have to fight the Russian army in all its glory.

The most long-range means of air defense today in Ukraine are the S-300PS air defense systems.


At the time of its release, that is, the beginning of the 80s, the S-300PS was, of course, an advanced complex. After 40 years, it is more than doubtful, because, alas, nothing from the range of air defense systems was produced at the Ukrainian enterprises of the military-industrial complex.

Repair and maintenance of all equipment was carried out approximately as navy, that is, keeping afloat and nothing more. You should probably not be surprised that most of the Ukrainian air defense systems after a while turned out to be completely incapacitated.

Currently, the number of combat-ready S-300PS is estimated at 7-8 divisions, which together gives about 50 combat-ready launchers. 200 missiles is a lot, but given the size of the country and the scattered complexes, it looks completely frivolous. Even if they are all moved to the border with Russia.

In addition, there are many complaints about the missiles themselves, because nothing was produced for missiles in Ukraine either. Even the fuel was Russian. This suggests not very pleasant conclusions that these 5V55s will be able to fly somewhere at all. Ukroboronservis is carrying out repair and restoration work at its enterprises, but it is difficult to say how serious these efforts are.

The lack of specialists in the S-300, the lack of enterprises that are initially capable of carrying out repairs and upgrades are great difficulties. Of course, you can try to repair a racing car in the workshop of Uncle Lesha. There is only one principle, but what the result will be is clear. Approximately the same "Ukroboronservis" "repairs" missiles from the S-300.

And it cannot be said that Ukraine turns a blind eye to this. No, there are smart people in the defense department who know how sad everything is. The very sad state of the air defense systems prompted them to emergency patching and theoretical commissioning of the very old S-300V.

However, I would like to emphasize that the technical reliability of the XNUMX-year-old complexes is highly questionable.

The situation is no better with medium-range air defense systems, which are represented by the Buk-M1 complexes, which are no younger than the S-300PS. About 60 units have been preserved.


There could have been more, but it was precisely the Bukami that Ukraine intensively supplied Georgia, having sold two divisions. One of the sold Ukrainian divisions distinguished itself by shooting down Russian Tu-22M3 and Su-24M.

This, in fact, put an end to all attempts by Ukraine to acquire something newer from Russia. For several years, negotiations were underway on the purchase of S-300PMU-2 complexes for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the sale of weapons to Georgia and insolvency left Ukrainian air defense at the same level as 20 years ago.

Well, it’s worth saying that short-range air defense systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are represented by S-125 Pechora complexes, which, due to their old age, are purely nominal.

How and how to shoot down Russian planes

By the way, with the means of detecting, identifying, guiding and tracking air defense missiles in the Ukrainian air defense forces, everything is just as sad, because they all come from Russia.

The Ukrainian military-industrial complex could somehow provide for some kind of scheduled repairs aimed at maintaining the operability of the Soviet / Russian radars, but there is no need to talk about serious upgrades.

Ukraine is also unable to independently develop a radar station, since all the capacities in this direction remained abroad with Russia.

The fact that peppy statements were made in the Ukrainian press about the adoption of new radar stations is not entirely true. They are not that not new, but ... however, judge for yourself.

79K6 "Pelican". The latest Ukrainian radar with a phased antenna array.


The development of this station began in 1981. Engaged in the creation of NPK "Iskra" from Zaporozhye. In 2007, the station was put into service. By 2020, there were TWO such stations in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The rest looks no less “advanced”: the 2011N5AMA radar, adopted in 84 in one copy, is nothing more than the Soviet P-14F Lena, which has served faithfully since 1959 and was withdrawn from service in 2003. Malachite, adopted in 2013, is again the Soviet P-18 Terek, which has been in operation since 1971.


In general, the level of modernity of Ukrainian technology is understandable.

Since military cooperation with the “aggressor” country is impossible under any circumstances today, there is only one way out if Ukraine wants to have at least some protection against air attacks at all. This is the purchase of foreign-made air defense systems. In the West. Not that the classic “Europe will help us”, rather, it is worth looking at the American partners. Moreover, one can expect such generosity in theory from the current US President Biden. Trump is not pragmatic.

The first thing that comes to mind is the PAC-2 Patriot.


A middle-aged, but well-established complex, which is capable of not only shooting down planes, but also intercepting missiles. True, the Russian Iskanders are not exactly Soviet-made Iraqi Scuds, but nonetheless. The complex is bought. Poland, Romania, Korea all want protection, so $4 billion for a set doesn't seem like such a high price. Of course, PAC-2 is not PAC-3 or MIM-104, but still, it is better than C-125.

The latest American-European development of medium-range air defense systems MEADS, which was created by the United States, Germany and Italy, the Ukrainians are clearly not going to pull at a price. Although the complex looks very impressive and promising.


You can turn to the French, who, after numerous failures in the global arms market, may be able to provide conditions that are acceptable for Ukraine.

By the way, the French short and medium-range SHORAD VL MICA complex, developed on the basis of the Mika air-to-air missile, of a Franco-British design, is quite good. The rocket is in demand and bought by other countries, so it makes sense.


The French also have Crotal, a very good air defense system.


Suffice it to say that China is arming its fleet with its own "copier" of the French air defense system called "Hongqing-7". The "Red Banner" is very successfully used by the Chinese, but apart from China and France itself, "Crotal" is used by 12 more countries, so the Ukrainians have the prospect of having "Crotale-NG".

You can try to drive up to the Norwegians through the Americans. Norway produces for itself a NASAMS mobile air defense system based on the American AIM-120 AMRAAM missile.


The complex is not bad mainly due to mobility, a relatively modern missile and a range of up to 25 km.

But there is also the latest in all respects Turkish air defense system "Hisar", and with Turkey Ukraine now has friendship in full.


British, Israeli products ... In general, the world market for anti-aircraft missiles is more than huge. And there is something to choose from. In theory.

With practice, things will get a little more difficult.

Anti-aircraft missile systems are very expensive products. Launchers are the cheapest they have. Command centers, radars, data analysis systems are much more expensive. In addition, it is not enough just to buy new systems, it is also necessary to train the calculations and link new weapons into a single air defense control system.

And here the most terrible word is “buy”. Lack of money in Ukraine is an eternal problem that makes the country a completely unattractive client for military equipment sellers.

And to teach calculations is also money. Large, because it is necessary to carry out firing, and, moreover, with military missiles. Without it, nowhere, but it's money.

All in all, billions of dollars. Considering that the entire military budget of Ukraine in 2019 amounted to 7,1, and for 2022 11,2 billion dollars, it can be concluded that there are no new air defense systems for Ukraine.

Romania's deal to acquire the Patriots was $4 billion. Poland purchased for 4,75 billion. Poland will receive 16 launchers, 4 radar stations and 208 missiles. Romania - seven radar stations, seven command posts, 28 launchers, 56 Patriot MIM-104E anti-aircraft guided missiles, 168 PAC-3 anti-missiles.

Will Ukraine master this? Of course not.

There is no such money and it is not expected. Accordingly, the only thing the Ukrainian military can count on is free handouts in the form of some junk like the Hawk or Hercules air defense systems. That is, they do not pose a particular threat to Russian aircraft.


In addition, there is another unpleasant aspect for Ukrainians. It is doubtful that even under the flood of requests and tearful complaints, Americans and Europeans will want to put something more or less modern.

NATO allies have the sad experience of losing modern equipment in the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict and the civil war in Donbas. So it is very doubtful that the allies will want to disclose the details of the performance characteristics of their air defense systems by transferring them to Ukraine.

There is no doubt that sooner or later they will be at the disposal of Russian specialists. How did the same stations of counter-battery work hit.

From this we can conclude that if Russia’s aggression against Ukraine does take place, the only thing the Ukrainian military can firmly count on is very old Soviet complexes and no less ancient Stingers donated by the United States .

In general, war is not for the poor. Especially modern warfare, when high-tech types are used weapons.


It is possible to resist the Russian army with the help of Javelins, Bayraktars and Stingers. The only question is the time that this confrontation and effectiveness will last. But neither today nor tomorrow, the air defense of Ukraine is not able to provide at least minimal resistance to a normal air force. Too outdated equipment in too deplorable technical condition.


It is good that everyone in the Armed Forces of Ukraine understands this, up to the Minister of Defense. But understanding is one thing, and being able to somehow turn the tide is another.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 17 February 2022 05: 55
    +6
    It is good that everyone in the Armed Forces of Ukraine understands this, up to the Minister of Defense. But understanding is one thing, and being able to somehow turn the tide is another.
    I see no reason to grieve!
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 17 February 2022 06: 02
      +1
      Well, the United States made a kind gesture in the form of an Israeli dome, although they had previously agreed to ban supplies from the manufacturer. But what support! !! good good laughing
      1. Autocorrect
        Autocorrect 18 February 2022 01: 17
        +5
        ... made ...

        Dvoeshnik bully
        1. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 18 February 2022 04: 33
          -1
          Well, they fixed it and support. After grandchildren, eye and eye for T9. They did everything for the convenience of the people, unobtrusive service. And what is it, cut your eyes? laughing
          1. kytx
            kytx 18 February 2022 08: 28
            +1
            We know better from the 9th mulberry :)
        2. KLV
          KLV 18 February 2022 11: 41
          +3
          ...which will last...
          Trouble, just trouble with this -tsya / -tsya and commas. laughing
          It seems that the texts of R. Skomorokhov do not pass moderation and error checking, since he himself is a moderator at VO.
          1. kytx
            kytx 18 February 2022 16: 15
            +1
            Not only Skomorokhov has a lot of typos in his articles. The editors do not proofread them at all.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 February 2022 06: 03
      +10
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      to have a possibility at least somehow turn the tide

      And Rabinovich has long offered to surrender, why not a way out? wassat
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 17 February 2022 06: 05
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        And Rabinovich has long offered to surrender, why not a way out?

        So they surrender strenuously to Europe and the States, but they don’t need what for, except as meat against Russia.
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 06: 17
        +14
        Quote: NDR-791
        And Rabinovich has long offered to surrender, why not a way out?

        1. Civil
          Civil 17 February 2022 07: 17
          +10
          In general, war is not for the poor.

          War is just the lot of the poor, the lot of the rich is to set them off and sell them weapons.
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 17 February 2022 07: 20
            -1
            But in this case, they don’t play off, but set the poor on the one who is richer and much stronger
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Seryoga64
                Seryoga64 17 February 2022 07: 29
                -4
                Impressive. But Russia is not set on fire
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 17 February 2022 07: 59
                  -1
                  Uh-huh... they tell her right in the headlines when to attack. And she never comes to war. Our General Staff probably every morning, reading these "media" wallows with laughter.
                  1. Seryoga64
                    Seryoga64 17 February 2022 08: 02
                    -3
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Our General Staff probably every morning, reading these "media" wallows with laughter.

                    Do you think they read this nonsense?
                    I doubt it
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 17 February 2022 08: 14
                      +8
                      Well, maybe not the entire General Staff, but surely there is a department that monitors this nonsense as well. It may be nonsense, but the analysis of media publications, as a means of intelligence, is a necessary thing. You need to know what people are stuffed with in the countries of potential opponents.
                      1. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 08: 17
                        -3
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Well, maybe not the entire General Staff, but for sure there is a department that monitors this nonsense, including

                        Yes, they have already developed immunity laughing
                        Try to watch the funniest comedy movie 10 times. At 6-7 viewings, you won’t laugh anymore laughing
                2. Civil
                  Civil 17 February 2022 08: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  Impressive. But Russia is not set on fire

                  How to provoke. The open Russophobia of official Kiev is a well-thought-out position. Knowing the post-imperial traumatic shock of the ruling circles of Moscow, this position of Kiev is the result of the work of entire institutions in the West. Unfortunately, due to the destruction of pro-Russian civil institutions in Russia itself, we cannot oppose something clever to Western social technologists, transferring the struggle for Ukraine to the minds of Ukrainians.
                  1. Seryoga64
                    Seryoga64 17 February 2022 08: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: Civil
                    transferring the struggle for Ukraine into the minds of Ukrainians.

                    Already 2 generations have been lost and they will never consider Russia not an enemy
                    There are no more minds
                    1. ved_med12
                      ved_med12 17 February 2022 08: 30
                      +2
                      I completely agree, a generation has already grown up there that sees the enemy in the person of Russia
                      1. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 08: 36
                        -3
                        Quote: ved_med12
                        I completely agree, a generation has already grown up there,

                        Well, what do you want, if for more than 30 years, 8 days a week, 25 hours a day, from each iron, hammer into your head "Russia is an enemy"
                        Processions with cries of "Maskalyaku on Gilyaku"
                        And school rulers with "Who does not jump that Muscovite"
                        That's the roof and demolished
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 09: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Quote: ved_med12
                        I completely agree, a generation has already grown up there,

                        Well, what do you want, if for more than 30 years, 8 days a week, 25 hours a day, from each iron, hammer into your head "Russia is an enemy"
                        Processions with cries of "Maskalyaku on Gilyaku"
                        And school rulers with "Who does not jump that Muscovite"
                        That's the roof and demolished

                        Isn't it the same in Russia? On all central channels, Ukraine is Bendera and fascists, but on this site? How many scenarios to bomb and capture? Let's do it the other way around, if tomorrow Ukraine starts, according to the Georgian scenario, an operation forcing the Donbass regions to Peace. , one hundred Russia will not come to war?
                      3. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 10: 36
                        +6
                        Quote: igor67
                        On all central channels, Ukraine is Bendera and fascists,

                        30 plus years?
                        Before the Maidan, we didn’t even remember you. You were the first to ask
                        Show At least one poster "Khokhlyak to Gilyak"
                        Video with screams "Who does not jump that Ukrainian"
                        You started!!!
                        You openly go with a swastika. Not fascists?
                        You have torchlight processions marking another fascist henchman who spoke about you

                        And our President NEVER insulted you
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 10: 44
                        -7
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Quote: igor67
                        On all central channels, Ukraine is Bendera and fascists,

                        30 plus years?
                        Before the Maidan, we didn’t even remember you. You were the first to ask
                        Show At least one poster "Khokhlyak to Gilyak"
                        Video with screams "Who does not jump that Ukrainian"
                        You started!!!
                        You openly go with a swastika. Not fascists?
                        You have torchlight processions marking another fascist henchman who spoke about you

                        And our President NEVER insulted you

                        Yes, there were such slogans from the Soviet era, but only in Western Ukraine, I remember at 73 I came with my parents to the Lviv region to my relatives, and they explained why, but it was minuscule, but with the start of hostilities to unite the nation, as usual, they find this idea came up for the fight, and the Russian Federation did a lot for this, you can write as much as you like that Russia did not come to the war and that under Yanukovych raider seizures of enterprises are all a chip, but the fact is that they embittered the people,
                      5. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 10: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: igor67
                        and what under Yanukovych

                        And what does this one have to do with it? belay
                      6. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 10: 58
                        -5
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Quote: igor67
                        and what under Yanukovych

                        And what does this one have to do with it? belay

                        And the conflict began, according to you, from scratch, when raiding began, enterprises began to go bankrupt and people did not receive salaries for months, which is why they went out into the street,
                      7. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 11: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: igor67
                        And the conflict began, according to you, from scratch, when raiding began, enterprises began to go bankrupt and people did not receive salaries for months, which is why they went out into the street,

                        And what about Russia????
                      8. prior
                        prior 17 February 2022 10: 49
                        +10
                        There is not in Russia not so alone
                        Russia has not adopted a single Ukrainian-phobic legislative act.
                        Not a single terrorist act has been carried out in Ukraine, not a single Russophobe-Banderite has been killed.
                        Russia was the first not to break a single treaty or agreement.
                        Ukraine, armed with the ideology of Bandera, has brought up a Russophobe in itself.
                      9. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 10: 59
                        -7
                        Quote: prior
                        There is not in Russia not so alone
                        Russia has not adopted a single Ukrainian-phobic legislative act.
                        Not a single terrorist act has been carried out in Ukraine, not a single Russophobe-Banderite has been killed.
                        Russia was the first not to break a single treaty or agreement.
                        Ukraine, armed with the ideology of Bandera, has brought up a Russophobe in itself.

                        Like this? What about the Budapest Accords? Didn't it cancel?
                      10. prior
                        prior 17 February 2022 11: 01
                        +1
                        You yourself, with your Maidan, completely anonymized the Budapest agreements.
                        Or you don't understand it.
                      11. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 11: 14
                        -6
                        Quote: prior
                        You yourself, with your Maidan, completely anonymized the Budapest agreements.
                        Or you don't understand it.

                        Of course not in Ukraine only Selyuks and Bendera
                      12. prior
                        prior 17 February 2022 11: 23
                        +6
                        Of course not.
                        It’s the Russians, long before any Maidans, that forced you all to jump to the chants about Gillyaks and Muscovites. And walk with torches. And demolish monuments.
                        So, why not whine now: "It's not my fault. He himself came."
                        The fox has come.
                        Meet.
                      13. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 11: 31
                        -6
                        Quote: prior
                        Of course not.
                        It’s the Russians, long before any Maidans, that forced you all to jump to the chants about Gillyaks and Muscovites. And walk with torches. And demolish monuments.
                        So, why not whine now: "It's not my fault. He himself came."
                        The fox has come.
                        Meet.

                        But why are you so nervous, and who whines, except for articles on VO, no one whines, I haven’t lived in Ukraine for 20 years, I just come to my relatives, but some volunteers fought and they don’t hate specifically Russians, just bewilderment why? All with respect hi
                      14. mark1
                        mark1 17 February 2022 12: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: igor67
                        and they have no hatred specifically for the Russians, just bewilderment why?

                        traditional - and why are we?
                      15. igor67
                        igor67 17 February 2022 12: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: mark1
                        Quote: igor67
                        and they have no hatred specifically for the Russians, just bewilderment why?

                        traditional - and why are we?

                        Like you: and we are for WHAT, but what does all this have to do with the topic? Do you have anything to say on the topic? You can express all your dissatisfaction in the topic about LDNR
                      16. mark1
                        mark1 17 February 2022 12: 49
                        -3
                        Quote: igor67
                        But what does all this have to do with the topic?

                        What double standards do you have! And note - I'm not the first to start off topic.
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                      18. Momento
                        Momento 17 February 2022 18: 17
                        -3
                        and with the collapse of the ussr, all the treaties of the ussr were annulled?) to be honest, the foreign ministry could have come up with something more original.
                      19. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 11: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: igor67
                        Didn't it cancel?

                        Yes, this memorandum has not been ratified by anyone
                        25 years ago, Ukraine, the USA, Great Britain and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum. The parties pledged to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and not to use weapons against it, and Kiev, in exchange, transferred all nuclear weapons to Moscow and joined the NPT. After the events of 2014, the Ukrainian authorities have repeatedly accused the Russian Federation of non-compliance with the provisions of the document. In response, Moscow noted that they did not violate the agreement, which, moreover, did not oblige the Russian side to “accept the state anti-constitutional armed coup” that took place in Kiev. At the same time, experts emphasize that the memorandum is advisory in nature. and has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries.

                        https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/694192-budapeshtskii-memorandum-istoriya-zelenskii
                      20. Alexander Popov_1963
                        Alexander Popov_1963 19 February 2022 01: 29
                        -1
                        The Budapest Accords never existed in nature. There was the Budapest Memorandum. What is the difference? Agreement - a type of contract. Discussed, agreed, fixed. Memorandum - memorandum. Well, not to forget what the conversation was about. Explain further?
                      21. Maikcg
                        Maikcg 21 February 2022 18: 16
                        -1
                        The Budapest memorandum, first of all, is a declaration of intent, not an agreement.
                        And secondly, it was violated by the West during the Euromaidan.
                      22. igor67
                        igor67 21 February 2022 19: 54
                        -2
                        Quote: MaikCG
                        The Budapest memorandum, first of all, is a declaration of intent, not an agreement.
                        And secondly, it was violated by the West during the Euromaidan.

                        Russia recognized the new President Poroshenko, Putin congratulated him and wished the normalization of relations then, so they didn’t violate it, it was necessary not to recognize
                      23. Maikcg
                        Maikcg 21 February 2022 21: 48
                        0
                        3 item
                        What happened next does not matter anymore, the memorandum has already been violated by the Western side.
                    2. this
                      this 17 February 2022 21: 21
                      -6
                      It is enough for us to become more attractive in terms of immigration than the West, it will not be long to wait, Moscow is already the best metropolis in Europe.
                      1. victor50
                        victor50 18 February 2022 03: 11
                        +5
                        Quote: tohoto
                        attractive

                        It will be difficult. First, education needs to be raised, then everything else.
                      2. this
                        this 18 February 2022 10: 48
                        -6
                        Education? like it's better there.
                      3. victor50
                        victor50 18 February 2022 11: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: tohoto
                        Education? like it's better there.

                        And we strive to become leaders in this negative indicator?! There are certain successes... But I would like to hope that the path to leadership is long.
                      4. this
                        this 18 February 2022 12: 06
                        -1
                        Hmm, the educated people of the USSR ruined it, well, that's the way it is.
                      5. victor50
                        victor50 18 February 2022 12: 14
                        0
                        Quote: tohoto
                        Hmm, the educated people of the USSR ruined it, well, that's the way it is.

                        Maybe. Prefer everyone to be uneducated? And, by the way, illiterate Ukrainians also ruined their state. Not? laughing
                    3. marat2016
                      marat2016 17 February 2022 22: 39
                      -1
                      1. Do you consider the inhabitants of Ukraine to be a homogeneous mass, only thinking how to defeat the Russian Federation :)))) 2. The socio-economic system in the Russian Federation and Ukraine is the same (of course, with its own characteristics in each country), if the Russian pipes, hung thieves, engaged in science and education, etc. etc. one country would be formed very quickly and very quickly ..... But alas.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 17 February 2022 13: 17
      0
      In fact, the situation is even worse than the author writes. The last time SAMs for the S-300 were purchased in 2002-03, and not for everyone, but for some SAMs, it must be understood - the oldest. Moreover, the warranty period of operation is 10 years. That is, now there are no combat-ready S-300s in the Bandera Air Defense. With "beeches" a little better, in 2006 - 08, several (the exact number is not known) were repaired with modernization in Russia. It is possible that they were supplied with new missiles. But some of them have become trophies in Georgia, and the part that is still in Banderland is approaching the deadlines for operation or has already passed them.
      1. Momento
        Momento 17 February 2022 18: 20
        +3
        service life limits are bullshit. tell this to the B-52 or Tu-95 operators. they will laugh.
        all deadlines can be extended and how to do this is not a secret.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 17 February 2022 19: 21
          +1
          Tell me how you can extend the life of solid rocket fuel?)))
          1. Momento
            Momento 17 February 2022 19: 34
            +1
            solid propellant rockets usually use cheap propellants based on nitrocellulose in nitroglycerin.
            there are two options 1) replacement 2) adding additives (which slightly reduces its quality, but prolongs the shelf life). both options were well developed back in the USSR, and there are probably specialists in large storage facilities who own them.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 17 February 2022 19: 38
              0
              If everything was as simple as you write, then long-range air defense systems would be done by everyone, including Paraguay and Myanmar))) there are only a dozen countries that produce such air defense systems.
              1. Momento
                Momento 17 February 2022 19: 43
                -2
                Well, where is Paraguay and where is Ukraine ... but I remember in Bulgaria they changed gunpowder ammunition from the Czech Republic.
                By the way, long-range air defense systems have more complex fuel. but s300 and buk-1m, I think, are not included there.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 17 February 2022 19: 44
                  -1
                  Look at Wikipedia to which class C - 300 belongs)))
      2. marat2016
        marat2016 17 February 2022 22: 41
        0
        Can you provide more details on the procurement of missiles?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 17 February 2022 22: 48
          0
          More will not work, my relative, who served in Vasilkov, retired in 2007. Now, about Bandera Air Defense, I can only judge from open sources. But I don't think the situation has improved. Rather, it got even worse.
      3. Kestrel
        Kestrel 13 May 2022 12: 52
        0
        The same Dots, which are already a hundred years old at lunchtime, nevertheless fly perfectly beyond all conceivable warranty periods. And also on solid fuel. At the same time, points were put in service before the 300s.
    4. w70
      w70 18 February 2022 07: 18
      -2
      like it or not, javelins can handle it
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 18 February 2022 14: 17
        -5
        With aviation and missile strikes?))))))
  2. alone
    alone 17 February 2022 05: 59
    +4
    Rearmament is too serious a matter. And it is unlikely that all sorts of scammers are able to do anything .. Their destiny is the appropriation of financial resources.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 February 2022 06: 02
      0
      Quote: lonely
      it is unlikely that all sorts of scammers are able to do anything .. Their destiny is the appropriation of financial resources.

      As the names suggest. After all, not Ukroboronprom, and Ukroboronservice...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 17 February 2022 07: 29
      +1
      Not only, because the air defense is functioning. True civilian aircraft are shot down .. Utyrki, their mother
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 February 2022 13: 20
        -1
        He shot a "beech", which, at that time, still had suitable missiles - repair and modernization in Russia, in 2006 - 08. Now, the newest missiles, with a guarantee of 10 years, are already 14 years old. How the rocket will behave now is a very difficult question.
        1. Momento
          Momento 18 February 2022 18: 46
          -1
          Looks like we'll find out in a week.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 February 2022 20: 15
            -1
            It is unlikely, not in vain that the Natsiks shout at their paid shares: "Zelya stsyklo)))
            1. Momento
              Momento 19 February 2022 01: 48
              -1
              so it does not depend on them - someone will ask them?
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 19 February 2022 10: 51
                0
                So nothing depends on Zelya, his owners will decide for themselves.
                1. Momento
                  Momento 21 February 2022 23: 12
                  0
                  it is not clear what depends on whom.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 22 February 2022 12: 59
                    0
                    Why is it unclear? I live in Ukraine, I watch all this nonsense up close. Everything is very clear.
  3. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 17 February 2022 06: 14
    -3
    In general, war is not for the poor.

    But you can "win" without fighting laughing
    ⚡Zelensky announced victory over Russia
    “The fortitude of the Ukrainian people made the aggressor cowardly run with his tail between his legs. Our flags and our unity have worked better than incense,” he announced.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 February 2022 08: 37
      +4
      Quote: Seryoga64
      Our flags and our unity

      laughing laughing laughing I was especially impressed by the choral singing in the Rada! So far, the cat has not crawled out from under the bed! lol
      Serge hi
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 08: 42
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I was especially impressed by the choral singing in the Rada!

        Even more impressive how they celebrated it in Odessa laughing
        You can see it in Politics
        But the most laughing masterpiece, Anthem of the USSR on the Maidan on the night of February 16 laughing
        To Vladimir hi
        Well, for the fact that we did not plunge into the manure into which we were pushed drinks
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 17 February 2022 09: 03
          +2
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Anthem of the USSR on the Maidan at night

          This is super masterpiece!!! good It is necessary not only at night, but also during the day. And in all the cities of the "square", so that they would remember where they came from!
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  4. KCA
    KCA 17 February 2022 06: 23
    0
    But what about the S-200D? It was they who shot down the TU-154, for some reason they are not mentioned in the article
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 17 February 2022 07: 10
      +6
      Quote: KCA
      But what about the S-200D? It was they who shot down the TU-154, for some reason they are not mentioned in the article

      All S-200 air defense systems in Ukraine were decommissioned in 2017.
      The passenger Tu-154 was shot down by the S-200VM complex.
      1. KCA
        KCA 17 February 2022 07: 23
        0
        I myself am from Dubna, and therefore I remember that the S-200 "Dubna" complex shot down, looked, the entire Internet also writes that the S-200D complex was. And, yes, is it decommissioned, disposed of or sent to storage?
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 17 February 2022 07: 52
          -3
          what's the difference? The deployment of any long-range air defense system will be detected, the air defense system will be destroyed, especially such a non-mobile one as the S-200
        2. Toucan
          Toucan 17 February 2022 11: 33
          +2
          You are mistaken, there were no S-200D air defense systems in the armed forces of Ukraine. In general, very few complexes of this modification were built. As part of the Ukrainian air defense there were modernized "Vegas". Currently, they are all disposed of as exhausted resources.
        3. Toucan
          Toucan 17 February 2022 11: 51
          +3
          Here are some very good articles on Ukrainian air defense published in 2016. I am sure that nothing has changed in this country in terms of air defense over the past years. No.

          https://topwar.ru/100322-sovremennoe-sostoyanie-pvo-stran-byvshih-sovetskih-soyuznyh-respublik-chast-2-ya.html

          https://topwar.ru/100863-sovremennoe-sostoyanie-pvo-stran-byvshih-sovetskih-soyuznyh-respublik-chast-3-ya.html
        4. Comet
          Comet 18 February 2022 23: 54
          0
          Yes, the S-200D has never been to Ukraine.
      2. Comet
        Comet 18 February 2022 23: 59
        -1
        The passenger Tu-154 was shot down by the S-200V missile system, without the letter "M".
        1. Toucan
          Toucan 19 February 2022 01: 05
          0
          Quote: Comet
          The passenger Tu-154 was shot down by the S-200V missile system, without the letter "M".

          By that time, only the modernized Vega remained in service.
          1. Comet
            Comet 21 February 2022 22: 06
            0
            One ZRDN S-200V from the Kiev ZRBR took part in the firing. It was the S-200V air defense system from this division that launched the 5V28 SAM. There is no mention of the S-200VM in any document about those events.
            1. Toucan
              Toucan 22 February 2022 05: 38
              +2
              Quote: Comet
              One ZRDN S-200V from the Kiev ZRBR took part in the firing. It was the S-200V air defense system from this division that launched the 5V28 SAM. There is no mention of the S-200VM in any document about those events.

              By 1991, all existing S-200Vs had been upgraded.
              1. Comet
                Comet 24 February 2022 00: 26
                0
                Yes, they were modernized, otherwise they could not use 5V28 missiles. But these are changes (air defense systems) in the K-3 and PU equipment. The RPN equipment remained the same. S-200V remained S-200V even after modernization, and according to all the documents of that incident - S-200V air defense systems and 5V28 missiles.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 February 2022 06: 44
    -2
    It is good if the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine understands how the attempt to "strain" the Donbass will end for Ukraine. It remains to convey this to the inflamed brains of the leadership. Although ... management probably knows too. Yes, he has nowhere to go ... for so many years they fed and watered ... Now it's time to go to the sacrificial altar ... And you won't get away, you won't laugh it off with a successful reprise. Bets have been placed...
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 17 February 2022 07: 13
      -5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      .so many years fed and watered.

      Work on any need request
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 19: 27
      -5
      There are still no guarantees that the United States Patriots will not deliver the same by installments, like NATO allies - the West allocates money in billions, they can also supply complexes for barter in exchange for stakes in Ukrainian enterprises.
  6. Serg Kam
    Serg Kam 17 February 2022 06: 47
    -5
    Of course, a larger state will crush a small one.
    And Ukraine will not be able to fight against Russia in an organized way - a maximum of guerrilla warfare. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine will heroically die / scatter in the very first days.
    True, the arrow does not turn, as soon as a conversation begins about the war between NATO and Russia, it immediately becomes "this is different, you don't understand"
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 17 February 2022 07: 15
      -5
      Quote: SergKam
      as soon as the talk of NATO war begins

      Which peryamo declared that they were not going to fight for the outskirts
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 February 2022 07: 30
      +10
      Quote: SergKam
      Of course, a larger state will crush a small

      Did the US crush Vietnam?
      1. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 17 February 2022 07: 42
        -12
        Did the US crush Vietnam?

        Yeah, only the USSR and China fought there against America. Haven't you heard of the pilot Li Xi Qing?
        Not so long ago, even officially opened a memorial to the fallen Soviet military.
        https://vostokmedia.com/news/society/10-12-2009/v-kamrani-vietnam-otkryvaetsya-memorial-pogibshim-sovetskim-i-rossiyskim-voinam
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 February 2022 07: 47
          +2
          Quote: SergKam
          Yeah, only the USSR and China fought there against America. Haven't you heard of the pilot Li Xi Qing?
          Not so long ago, even officially opened a memorial to the fallen Soviet military

          Much less than in the sky of Korea. And fought in the ground forces? And they broke into the American embassy in Saigon? They just shrunk in size... laughing
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 17 February 2022 07: 55
            -9
            Much less than in the sky of Korea.

            Who is less? air defense? Airplanes? tanks?
            The USSR alone delivered about a hundred of the most modern S-75s and about 7 missiles for them.


            Plus, the USSR sent about 500 tanks and about 150 aircraft.
            China sent a total of about 320 people to Vietnam.
            North Korea sent 2 air defense regiments and its fighters.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 17 February 2022 09: 16
              +4
              Quote: SergKam
              Plus, the USSR sent about 500 tanks and about 150 aircraft.
              China sent a total of about 320 people to Vietnam.
              North Korea sent 2 air defense regiments and its fighters

              We seem to be talking about the troops? And about the military. And not about the supply of weapons.
              The number of Chinese "volunteers" in Vietnam is for how many years? And how were they distributed over the years?
              Other sources give 170 thousand Chinese for all time, and losses of 1100 people. testify to the small participation of the Chinese in the battles ... 15 years of war!
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 17 February 2022 07: 59
        -5
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Did the US crush Vietnam?

        And how they draped from Afghanistan
    3. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 17 February 2022 08: 58
      -2
      Quote: SergKam
      And Ukraine will not be able to fight against Russia in an organized way - a maximum of guerrilla warfare. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine will heroically die / scatter in the very first days.


      Why bring this up? Ukraine, after all, at all levels has fixed (and legislatively) a strategy to combat Russia, its army, special services are working against the Russian Federation, and if one day it arrives, then there will be merit, exclusively by the current government of Ukraine .... and what is the benefit of Ukraine? In theory, Ukraine, on the contrary, needs to reduce the heat, implement the Minsk agreements, establish a dialogue with Russia and trade ... and then attract investment / business to the country and improve the standard of living if Ukraine wants to be a European country. And so ... live constantly in a state of war, spend huge resources on the army, when there is no chance to solve the problem of Donbass by military means, why?
  7. O. Bender
    O. Bender 17 February 2022 07: 29
    -2
    It's clear as daylight why the forelocked Sumerians are as angry as dogs, because they are hungry people and thieves.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 February 2022 08: 42
      -2
      Quote: O. Bender
      angry like dogs

      .so many years fed and watered.

      Work on any need
      And I don’t want to go to the slaughter! recourse
  8. sagitovich
    sagitovich 17 February 2022 07: 51
    -4
    Author, you acted like an expert hired by Ukraine to check the readiness of air defense systems to shoot down aircraft. With recommendations on the possible renewal of the air defense fleet of Ukraine. In general, their capabilities should not be underestimated. In Yugoslavia, the "invisible" Russian complex shot down the S-200.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 17 February 2022 08: 28
      +3
      It seems that f117 was shot down by c125.
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 17 February 2022 08: 51
        +1
        Shot down due to carelessness in planning the operation. The Americans relaxed and got what they deserved. The Serbs, on the other hand, did well, who saw through the vulnerability and skillfully took advantage of it.
    2. Ruby
      Ruby 17 February 2022 10: 07
      +8
      Quite right. Any unsuppressed air defense system, regardless of the generation and date of production, poses a threat to aviation. Iraq, Yugoslavia, Georgia are examples of this. And do not underestimate the potential enemy. How many times has this rake been stepped on. If there was a war, not couch experts will be substituted for missiles, but real crews.
    3. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 17 February 2022 14: 04
      -1
      Quote: sagitovich
      In Yugoslavia, the "invisible" Russian complex shot down the S-200

      "Neva-M" S-125 worked in Yugoslavia
      1. sagitovich
        sagitovich 18 February 2022 19: 03
        -4
        I did not focus on what kind of complex the plane was shot down in Yugoslavia. I am a civil engineer and you don't know much about my profession. I’ll tear in professional terms like a heating pad.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 19: 33
      0
      Ukraine also has an air defense system Cube M4, of course, the complex is old, but it may well work despite the fact that it was serviced and in Ukraine, most likely, there are enterprises that can repair and service air defense systems.
    5. marat2016
      marat2016 17 February 2022 22: 44
      0
      S-125 modernized by the Serbs .....
  9. Wildcat
    Wildcat 17 February 2022 08: 06
    +14
    It is possible to resist the Russian army with the help of Javelins, Bayraktars and Stingers. The only question is the time that this confrontation and effectiveness will last. But neither today nor tomorrow, the air defense of Ukraine is not able to provide at least minimal resistance to a normal air force.
    the author also forgot about Shilki, it’s good that MANPADS were mentioned at the end.

    About the time of confrontation, we look at a fresh example - Syria: 2015 - present. time

    On the effectiveness of the confrontation, we look at a fresh example - Georgia, 2008. Five days of war, 6 shot down (including "friendly fire") 3-4 - damaged. https://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2009/07/090709_russia-georgia_airforce_losses

    In general, it is amazing how a war with the largest country in Europe (after the Russian Federation), with a population of about 40 million and its own military-industrial complex (plus half of NATO signed up for the "quartermasters" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) is described as a cakewalk.
    The example of Syria, which is three times smaller than Ukraine in terms of area and at least 2 times smaller in terms of population, does not teach anything.
    1. VSO-396
      VSO-396 17 February 2022 18: 13
      +3
      There are also % 80 "Hurray-patriots" who did not serve, drawing knowledge from the Zvezda channel and YouTube, or former Soviet political officers.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 19: 38
      +1
      Given our non-combat aviation losses in Syria at the start of intense hostilities with a country like Ukraine, these losses can repeatedly increase per unit of time, since a large number of aircraft and helicopters will have to be used and the intensity of sorties will be high - our exercises for airfield personnel and pilots from such intensity of work in general at least once carried out?
    3. garrett
      garrett 18 February 2022 11: 37
      0
      We look at a fresh example of the effectiveness of the confrontation - Georgia, 2008. Five days of war, 6 shot down (including "friendly fire") 3-4 - damaged

      This is truly a disgrace.
      During the conflict, either by rodents or by Ukrainians, a Russian Tu-22M was shot down. If cars have a soul, then this plane is almost certainly sitting in the sky with a sickly coolface now, because the aforementioned incident has generated and continues to generate tons of srach IRL and, especially, on the Internet. There are two reasons for this.

      Firstly, the undeniable and undeniable fact even by the most stubborn couch warriors is the fact that losing such an epic aircraft in a five-day non-war is at least an epic fail. But the main srachenny moment is still not in this. He is in…

      ... secondly, someone once very successfully threw in the idea that the Russians were so bad with reconnaissance equipment that they had to call in a long-range bomber (sic!) And use it as a reconnaissance. The butcher, having heard this, immediately crawls into Wikipedia for a refutation, but most often he, at best, finds out that the Tu-22 and Tu-22M are not the same thing; but to his horror and the greater buhurt, he is convinced that they are indeed bombers. Thus, the proponent of the "fat-all-polymers" version is often the winner. The fact that the Tu-22MR, a tactical (that is, long-range) reconnaissance aircraft based on the Tu-22M bomber, was used in the saber conflict, and, accordingly, the argument about the purely military use of bombers is untenable, as a rule, none of the sides of the srach ever finds out.

      By the way, one slightly more than authoritative source (OBS) claims that the reason why the TU-22MR was shot down is the ignorance of army intelligence about the actual state and deployment of Georgian air defense facilities, as a result of which one of the pilots converted to Islam and was drunk out fit, flying plane.
      1. Kestrel
        Kestrel 13 May 2022 12: 57
        0
        This is a copy-paste from a lurka, or what? It hurts the eyes.
  10. Expert2017
    Expert2017 17 February 2022 08: 11
    -1
    If something happens, then the blows will be delivered without entering the airspace of the dill. There are enough funds. From Hurricane to X-59 and Caliber.
  11. Eug
    Eug 17 February 2022 08: 24
    +9
    "Pechora" was very robustly modernized with the transfer to the "figure". As for solid fuel for missiles, that is, the Pavlograd chemical plant, which made solid fuel for missiles, I do not think that it is not able to make it for missiles. Well, electronic elements for the S-300 were made in Kharkov, Svetlovodsk and Poltava. As for me, the main issue is money to maintain working condition, repairs and modernization ...
    1. Pattor
      Pattor 17 February 2022 10: 01
      +11
      Well, Roman tactfully skips this. As well as control detection tools. But there he quite produced modern stations, locators. Another issue is practically not in service. The bewildering attitude of ours and commentators is simply puzzling. Either the mind is narrow-minded, or the brain is littered with a box. Alas
      1. gjkrjdybr50
        gjkrjdybr50 18 February 2022 10: 49
        +1
        I want to correct you and Eug a little. As for the modernization of the S-125, but the transmitter was corrected, new equipment and other circuitry solutions were shoved into the same dimensions of the blocks. They did it not for Ukraine, but for far abroad countries, but fellow countrymen, as always, sat on their tail. I know because participated myself. There were no special changes in the performance characteristics of the system.
        In terms of components for the S-300, practically nothing was produced in Ukraine. 2 microcircuits, several transistors and one power element from a crane with an electric drive. It is unlikely that this will help in upgrading the system.
        According to the radar station, and in Zaporozhye, PRV and 19Zh6 were produced. PRVs are now living out their lives, almost all radars are three-coordinate. The P-18 was upgraded pretty well, but the P-18 is not the kind of radar on the basis of which you can build a reconnaissance system, so to control the near zone at airfields or for standby mode with a focal radar field.
        I don’t know about gunpowder for missiles, I’m not an expert, but given the need to test missiles with new gunpowder, both static and in flight, I strongly doubt that they could make checkers and change them. It seems that the repair of missiles was carried out in Boryspil, but knowing the general decline of enterprises, there are strong doubts that all products were repaired. Extending a resource is a very difficult and troublesome business, and it cannot be extended indefinitely.
        By the way, one should not forget about EVP, especially about generation, all klystrons, TWTs, etc. are made only by us. I doubt that there are enough of them in Ukraine. Their resources are very limited. I remember the scandal somewhere in 2008-2010. with attempts to illegally purchase devices from us. Many sat down. Based on the foregoing, one can imagine the state of affairs with "iron" in the air defense of Ukraine and further prospects.
  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 17 February 2022 08: 29
    -4
    With Buk, the problem is solved like this
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 17 February 2022 08: 54
      +2
      The photo is not very legible, but it seems to be the weight and dimensions? laughing
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 February 2022 08: 57
        -3
        What I don't know, I don't know. Blue electrical tape - forever!
    2. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 17 February 2022 09: 20
      -3
      Quote: Aviator_
      With Buk, the problem is solved like this

  13. Amateur
    Amateur 17 February 2022 09: 15
    -2
    Once upon a time, it was in Kiev that the Kiev Higher Engineering Radio Engineering School of Air Defense was stationed - the alma mater of missilemen of the air defense of the USSR.
    Liquidated in 1992.
    It remains a little bit to wait for the Turkish air defense system, which they will someday make.
  14. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 February 2022 09: 38
    -1
    Now is the time to introduce real, not paper, sanctions, completely interrupt the supply of fuels and lubricants, close Ukrainian transit through our country, sell oil to Belarus only within the framework of its needs, so that it does not drain fuels and lubricants to Ukraine, completely ban the import of any goods and products from Ukraine, tightly control this and punish those who violate it, in six months Ukraine will grunt and the population itself will demolish Ze and other husks, and recognize the LPR and DPR, arm and freely supply food, goods, and buy their coal
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 17 February 2022 12: 31
    +2
    ... in Ukraine there is, ..., ... in Ukraine also ... , ... in Ukraine they are closing ...
    As far as I remember, according to the rules of the Russian language, it has always been AT Ukraine, but never В. You don’t say, “I spent the summer in Kamchatka,” or “I flew to Sakhalin Island,” just as you don’t eat В Ural and В Caucasus. It would be interesting to see how you go to rest В Baikal ... What they write to themselves In Ukraine, ON MOV, it is not at all necessary to apply IN THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE. No need to spoil the great and mighty...
  16. Temnukhin Anton
    Temnukhin Anton 17 February 2022 13: 05
    +2
    Foreword: I sincerely hope that there will be no conflict and that the fraternal peoples will not have to shoot at each other. Ordinary proletarians have nothing to share.

    Main body: Thank you very much for the material. It was interesting to read. Modern air defense is a vital component of the armed forces in modern warfare. With the old air defense systems and radars, you won’t get victory ... But it’s quite possible to inflict losses, if desired and skillfully used. So, with all the apparent problems, the ear must continue to be kept alert and not amuse oneself with hatred. In addition, our aviation is also not just off the assembly line. Yes, modern stuffing is good. But whatever one may say, the SU-24, SU-25, and even the very same SU-34 is also not exactly new cars.

    PS: but I repeat, I hope that ordinary guys will not have to get into the mix. As always, all the squabbling over which of the guys upstairs wants more money. Capitalism, after all. Substituting your neck for this is a dubious pleasure.
  17. Temnukhin Anton
    Temnukhin Anton 17 February 2022 13: 08
    +1
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Now is the time to introduce real, not paper, sanctions, completely interrupt the supply of fuels and lubricants, close Ukrainian transit through our country, sell oil to Belarus only within the framework of its needs, so that it does not drain fuels and lubricants to Ukraine, completely ban the import of any goods and products from Ukraine, tightly control it and punish those who violate,


    We all know perfectly well that this will not happen. The capitalist is ready to do anything for the sake of 300% profit) all the same, all these refueled tanks will shoot at the "commoners", but they are not a pity.
  18. Tomcat_Tomcat
    Tomcat_Tomcat 17 February 2022 16: 37
    +2
    From the USSR, Ukraine inherited the most powerful grouping of air defense and radio engineering troops. Of course, over the years, all this economy has significantly lost its power, the sky is full of holes, but something remains. Air defense of Ukraine does not have modern systems, but, as practice shows, even outdated systems can cause certain problems. In Ukraine, there are still air defense systems, there are fighters. Therefore, a hypothetical operation "easy walk", during which you can forget about the elementary rules of warfare and consider the enemy insignificant, I still would not dare to call it. The Americans in Mogadishu in 1996 also thought it would be an easy ride, and how it all ended, many of us know. Or a downed "lame goblin" in Yugoslavia in 99.

    Until 2008, Russia cooperated with Ukraine, incl. and in the field of air defense. After the "divorce" with Russia until 2018, Kiev still pinned its hopes on Tse-Europe and the USA, and then they began to slowly stir themselves. They began to repair and restore their complexes, in particular "three hundred" and missiles for them, radar and RTR stations. They have S-300PS, S-300PT, modernized S-125-2D "Pechora", "Buki", "Tora", "Osa", "Shilka" and "Tunguska". The legacy of the USSR is still strength even after 20 years.
    Knowing the locations of very few S-300s, it will not be difficult to "slam" them, which can provide a flight zone over the entire country, but you will have to tinker with mobile systems. And it’s not a fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be provided with technical support from the NATO countries - in the form of intelligence information from their radars, AWACS and reconnaissance, which can help maintain a significant air defense potential, simply by “burying” it, and using a third-party control center.
    Risks must be calculated in all seriousness, there should be no stupid losses (as with the Tu-22 in 2008).

    But still I hope that the crisis will be resolved through diplomatic means. It was not enough for us to wet each other for the sake of the West, to which we are so persistently pushed. Why go for an open confrontation, and with consequences that are not the most desirable for us? In extreme cases, solving the issue by force, isn't it more interesting to arrange (for example) a coup d'état, and after a fight it will be too late to wave your hands - and who will, seriously?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 19: 52
      +3
      The author forgot something about the ST 68UM radar, but it is quite modern and is produced at the Zaporozhye Scientific and Production Complex "Iskra"
      1. Comet
        Comet 18 February 2022 23: 52
        -2
        How is he "quite modern"?
  19. Bradley
    Bradley 17 February 2022 16: 44
    +3
    The Patriots won't sell them.
    Ukraine is not a very rich country. Yes, their economy has grown compared to 2014 or earlier, but still not strong enough to pull big expenses.
    Yes, the States and Europe can help, but what next, after the help, when Ukraine loses its relevance for them? That's just it, that you will need to swell your hard-earned money.
    That is why Ukraine needs to develop the economy.
    Progress is already being made when compared to 2014 or earlier.
    Someone will laugh, they say - Ukraine and the economy. And remember Poland, after the collapse of the Union. Where was she and where is she now?
    If the Ukrainians carry out the right reforms, they may well become Poland 2.0. It's more than real!
    And then they will be able to afford both the F-16 block 70/72 (maybe they will take the BU from the Poles) and the Patriots.
    But Ukraine also needs to deal with armored vehicles. They have two directions - Belarus and we - Russia.
    It is very costly to close two directions, both technically and economically. And even then, against us it is only time to win.
    Here we must be aware that in the event of a war with us, Ukraine is doomed. Too big a difference in numbers, and today and manufacturability.
    There will be tactics like Hussein's - maximum damage to the invasion troops. There can be no talk of any victory.
    Ukraine is for us like Iraq is for the States.
    It is clear that the Ukrainians understand this, and therefore they want to join NATO, which will protect them. But will they take them? Time will tell.
    1. sagitovich
      sagitovich 18 February 2022 02: 37
      -4
      "But will they take them? Time will tell." Don't give them that time...
  20. Architect
    Architect 17 February 2022 21: 30
    +2
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Now is the time to introduce real, not paper, sanctions, completely interrupt the supply of fuels and lubricants, close Ukrainian transit through our country, sell oil to Belarus only within the framework of its needs, so that it does not drain fuels and lubricants to Ukraine, completely ban the import of any goods and products from Ukraine, tightly control this and punish those who violate it, in six months Ukraine will grunt and the population itself will demolish Ze and other husks, and recognize the LPR and DPR, arm and freely supply food, goods, and buy their coal

    We have a positive trade balance with Ukraine, they buy everything, and even food. By introducing a ban, we will strike at ourselves first of all, because. we will lose money. The conflict will end sooner or later, and then the trade partnership will not be restored.
  21. Fisherman
    Fisherman 17 February 2022 22: 32
    +1
    Each pilot of our Air Force is VALUABLE! Therefore, it’s not worth the risk of “shooting down or not shooting down”, but suppressing everything that can be suppressed and razed to the ground by electronic warfare systems that poses a danger to the army of the DPR + LPR. The Anglo-Saxons put motley systems rather for sabotage and terrorist attacks after the liberation of the Ruins from the Nazis, because training and coordinating units with such anti-tank systems and air defense systems takes months and years, but here they are rather stuffed with weapons to pollute the land and provide future gangs for terror in the rear.
  22. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 17 February 2022 23: 18
    0
    More and more often, even in the "smoking room" with fumes and tobacco,
    pops up like this from the "authors".

    Around Google - translation, as I understand it?
  23. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 February 2022 08: 01
    -1
    Quote: Civil

    War is just the lot of the poor, the lot of the rich is to set them off and sell them weapons.


    If the rich are smart ... and if like the Americans?
    Record holders for involvement in military conflicts over the past 100 years.
  24. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 February 2022 08: 07
    -3
    Quote: igor67

    Like this? What about the Budapest Accords? Didn't it cancel?


    Nullify from the inaccessibility of normal sex. laughing

    The Budapest agreements are an empty piece of paper. This agreement was not ratified, even by the Ukrainian side. An agreement without ratification is worth no more than the paper on which it is printed.
  25. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 February 2022 08: 09
    -4
    Quote: Bradley
    Someone will laugh, they say - Ukraine and the economy. And remember Poland, after the collapse of the Union. Where was she and where is she now?


    Now she is in a deep hole. Since Polish enterprises have long been bought up by foreign capital, mainly German, so it's just a colony.
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 February 2022 08: 13
    0
    Quote: Wildcat
    The example of Syria, which is three times smaller than Ukraine in terms of area and at least 2 times smaller in terms of population, does not teach anything.


    Comparison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ISIS (plus other spooks) - specifically by the cash register.
  27. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 19 February 2022 10: 54
    0
    Several hundred missiles capable of reaching a height of 10 kilometers is a lot.

    Su-24/25/34, if they fly, then only after drones and a couple of hundred anti-radar missiles.
  28. Andre
    Andre 24 February 2022 01: 29
    0
    China uses what it produces. And why is all this to China if it's all pissing. Really.
  29. XNUMX%
    XNUMX% 26 March 2022 13: 58
    0
    Interesting article. Especially in light of recent events in Ukraine.
  30. DeGreen
    DeGreen April 2 2022 21: 42
    0
    Well, of course, such an article is only from Skomorokhov
  31. silver_roman
    silver_roman April 7 2022 21: 13
    +1
    I read this nonsense and went nuts ... and then I saw the publication date of this shit. February 17. But it turned out that the aircraft of the VKS landed very well, even with the junk of Ukraine. Of course, if you fight like the Russian Federation: with one hand ... with your left, when you are right-handed and also blindfolded. At the same time, Ukraine has all the power of Western intelligence. so after February 24, a lot of military "experts" (those who were virologists until recently) will reconsider their shitty approach to assessing the Air Force and air defense systems in general. So, balabols, go and learn new realities.
  32. Glagol1
    Glagol1 April 9 2022 10: 32
    +1
    Yes, the hatred was expensive. MANPADS are a formidable force, everything below 5 km is at risk. SU-25 and totally all turntables...
  33. DEDMOROZOV
    DEDMOROZOV April 13 2022 07: 07
    0
    hat throwers have arrived again
    States in Vietnam failed
    Now we are in the role of states and 404 in the role of Vietnam, but the whole world helps them, and we only have CHIK CHHYRYK begging for handouts
  34. tsvetahaki
    tsvetahaki April 16 2022 04: 56
    -1
    All this is good, but somehow it does not seem that aviation is operating freely over Ukraine ...
    Tanks drive, cannons and rockets fire, railways work, troops are transferred, oil refineries and storage facilities - on the 50th day are still being destroyed - mainly by calibers, etc. "Decision centers" are generally on the list of friendly targets ...
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 2 May 2022 20: 58
      0
      "Decision centers" are generally on the list of friendly targets ...
      Maybe this is where we should start? Launching strategists at a height of 10k + with MiG escort, and rolling up the CPR even with cast iron, is not a problem, as it were. But someone ... Here we are at war, here we are not at war, but here, in general, "respectable people" are making their own gesheft.
  35. Proctologist
    Proctologist 10 May 2022 23: 22
    0
    Funny to read in May 2022. Thanks for the article!

    123 Russian aircraft shot down are photo-documented, including 25 aircraft and 41 helicopters. The enemy must not be underestimated! "It's better to be safe than sorry" - that's how we were taught in our youth.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-aircraft-losses-during-2022.html
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 10 May 2022 23: 32
      0
      Quote: Proctologist
      oryxspioenkop.com

      US site, however. You would also refer to Ukrainian, purely for humor.
      1. Proctologist
        Proctologist 11 May 2022 09: 26
        0
        Photos don't matter? Photoshop? And YouTube is also a Shatatovsky site, for example.
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 11 May 2022 09: 47
          0
          Quote: Proctologist
          Photos don't matter?

          Quantity photos (and recorded cases) matters.

          Russia - 123, of which: destroyed: 96, damaged: 2, captured: 25
          Ukraine - 47, of which: destroyed: 41, damaged: 1, captured: 5

          Do I need to explain, or is it clear? wink
          1. Proctologist
            Proctologist 11 May 2022 11: 36
            +1
            Everyone sees something different. For example, looking at the documented losses, it is possible to assume that the losses [of one of the parties] are underestimated, not all existing photos are shown. But in terms ofNo less than..."can be assessed.

            Given the specifics of the conflict with the use of the same / very similar weapons on both sides, one can still assume a partial substitution of the photo of the losses of one side - the photo of the opposite. But in this case, it will be necessary to allow the huge numbers of the Ukrainian Air Force.

            I still believe Oryx's data is true. Quite possibly, not the whole truth and the truth, presented from a certain angle. Therefore, I simply cite specific photos as an example, and do not recommend their website or them as analysts. And in no case do I propose to compare the losses in aviation in Russia and Ukraine according to this site. But only to assess the scale of the losses of the Russian Federation from the photos, which personally seem to me reliable.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 11 May 2022 11: 42
              +1
              Quote: Proctologist
              Quite possibly, not the whole truth and the truth, filed from a certain angle

              I would replace "quite possibly" with "certainly".

              Quote: Proctologist
              in no case do I propose to compare losses in aviation in Russia and Ukraine according to this site

              Ok I will not laughing

              Quote: Proctologist
              assess the scale of losses of the Russian Federation from photos that personally seem reliable to me

              Thank you, I understand.
  36. Gunther
    Gunther 13 May 2022 23: 30
    0
    The author, it is clear that the hat is the pursuit of attracting attention, but the head must be turned on, the title of the article is extremistlaughing