Torpedo plans: "Ichthyosaurs" will be more

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Torpedo plans: "Ichthyosaurs" will be more

General view of the product UET-1E. Photo bmpd.livejournal.com

In the recent past, in the interests of the Russian naval fleet A promising electric torpedo UET-1 "Ichthyosaurus" was created. This product has successfully passed the tests, reached mass production and is now being delivered to the customer. Recently it became known that in the future the production of such weapons will continue and expand, and new submarines will become its carriers.

Torpedo in series


At the end of February 2018, the Ministry of Defense announced the signing of a contract for the supply of a new type of torpedo weapon. The Dagdiesel plant received an order worth approx. RUB 7,2 billion for the production of 73 new Ichthyosaurus-type torpedoes. Production was planned to be established in the same year, and the delivery of the first batch of products was scheduled for 2019. The last batch was expected in 2023. It was noted that reaching the required production volumes would allow considering the issue of increasing purchases.



Two years later, in February 2020, the industry announced the completion of state tests of a promising torpedo of an unnamed type. It has been suggested that this is a UET-1 product, but it has not been confirmed. In addition, it was not reported about the adoption of this torpedo for service.

The other day, on February 3, new plans for the production of "Ichthyosaurs" became known. An unnamed TASS source in the defense industry said that in the near future, the production of such torpedoes will continue, and its pace will increase significantly. To do this, the Navy plans to place a new long-term contract that will provide rearmament in the required volumes. At the same time, the cost of such an order and the number of required products have not yet been specified.

The TASS source also noted that plans for a new contract are associated with the limited potential of the existing order. So, 73 torpedoes will not allow for a full-fledged re-equipment of existing and under construction diesel-electric submarines pr. 636.3. To update their ammunition, at least twice as many products are needed.


Loading a torpedo on a diesel-electric submarine. project 636.3. Photo Sevastopol.gallery

On February 6, a TASS source (the same or a different one, unknown) revealed new details of the deployment of promising torpedoes. In the coming years, with the help of Ichthyosaurs, all diesel-electric submarines, etc. 636.3 and 677, will be re-equipped. Then some types of nuclear submarines will receive such weapons. Which nuclear submarines will be carriers of the newest domestic torpedo is not specified.

Quantity problem


Thus, next year the production of the first series of UET-1 torpedoes will be completed and the production of a new one will begin. The reason for this is the growing needs of submarine forces and the limited potential of current production. In fact, the production volumes of Ichthyosaurs do not yet correspond to the size of the modernized submarine forces.

Recall that at the time of the appearance of the contract for 73 UET-1 torpedoes, the Russian Navy already had six submarines of project 636.3 - as part of the Black Sea Fleet. It is easy to calculate that due to the existing order, each of them, in theory, could receive 12 torpedoes. This was quite enough to form one mixed ammunition load, including up to 18 missiles and torpedoes.

However, in 2017, the construction of the second series of boats for the Pacific Fleet began, and three of them have already been handed over to the customer. In addition, last year the lead diesel-electric submarine pr. range of carriers and the required number of weapons.

Obviously, 73 torpedoes are not enough for a full-scale rearmament of such a fleet. Some new submarines will have to use older types of torpedoes, which will affect their combat effectiveness. However, as early as next year, a new stage in the production of Ichthyosaurs will begin, and with its help it will be possible to gradually meet the needs of the submarine forces.


Model of the old USET-80 torpedo. Photo militaryrussia.ru

However, the real needs of the Navy and plans for future contracts remain unknown. The number and cost of the required torpedoes were not disclosed. Also remains unknown and the number of products per each carrier. At the same time, as reported and as can be judged, the total fleet needs for new torpedoes of the UET-1 type are many times higher than the current contract will provide.

Contemporary pattern


The UET-1 universal electric torpedo was created as part of the Ichthyosaurus R&D as a modern replacement for the aging USET-80 product. The work started in the XNUMXs and was carried out by the Dagdiesel enterprise. The development of a new project encountered a number of specific difficulties, but was successfully completed, after which testing and preparation for future mass production began.

At this stage, the new development was presented to the public and potential customers. So, in the tenth years, at various exhibitions, they began to show a model of a torpedo in an export version - UET-1E. Tactical and technical characteristics were also disclosed. Later, various reports appeared about testing and starting production. The data on the future release of weapons and their deployment on carriers were clarified.

The Ichthyosaurus project had several main tasks. First of all, the project should have used a modern component base. Due to this, it was necessary to improve the technical and operational characteristics. In particular, it was necessary to increase the speed and range, as well as to increase the reliability of the homing system.

UET-1 is made in caliber 533 mm and has a design traditional for electric torpedoes. As reported, the product has a high-capacity battery on board that provides power to the brushless motor. The power plant is built without the use of a gearbox and is characterized by high efficiency.


The submarine "Magadan" is the newest representative of project 636.3 in the Navy. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

For the export Ichthyosaurus, a maximum speed of 50 knots is declared. Travel range - 20 km; depth - up to 1 km. The possibility of changing the speed when moving towards the target was mentioned. The characteristics of the base sample for a domestic customer may be at the same level or better.

The UET-1 torpedo received a modern acoustic guidance system with enhanced performance. The detection range of underwater and surface targets has been increased. Like previous domestic torpedoes, the Ichthyosaurus can detect both targets and their wake, followed by aiming at it.

Executed and planned


Issues of this kind have not been officially disclosed, but there is reason to believe that the implementation of the current contract for 73 torpedoes from 2018 is close to completion. Direct deliveries of various batches of weapons were scheduled for 2019-23, and this period crossed the equator. Moreover, the penultimate year of the order fulfillment has come - which gives reason for optimism.

Known data and alleged events show that there is a new reason for optimism in the field of torpedo construction. One of the newest torpedoes has been successfully brought to the series, is supplied to the fleet and, apparently, is being mastered and used in training events. At the same time, production has reached the planned pace and the customer, as promised earlier, is considering the possibility of increasing production volumes.

The first results of such processes are already known, and their prospects are obvious. Over the next few years, the Russian Navy will receive a number of new-built submarines of various projects, and they will not be left without modern torpedo and missile weapons. Appropriate measures are being planned and taken now.
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  1. +17
    8 February 2022 04: 44
    Kirill! Why so long? It could have been in one paragraph.
    1. +6
      8 February 2022 05: 17
      Quote: kytx
      in one paragraph

      "73 UET-1 torpedoes were fired".... hi
      1. +5
        8 February 2022 05: 34
        Brevity is the godfather of conciseness.
        1. +4
          8 February 2022 05: 42
          Quote: Flood
          Brevity

          Brief - sister. talent... wink
    2. +5
      8 February 2022 06: 18
      Quote: kytx
      why so long?

      The fee, however.
      1. +9
        8 February 2022 06: 38
        received an order worth approx. RUB 7,2 billion for the production of 73 new Ichthyosaurus-type torpedoes.

        Almost 100 million rubles one thing ... However, robust belay
        1. +1
          8 February 2022 07: 07
          By the way, yes. It would be interesting to know the rationale for the price.
          1. +4
            8 February 2022 11: 49
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            It would be interesting to know the rationale for the price.

            Igor, how do you feel about Klimov?
            1. -1
              8 February 2022 13: 33
              To Gregory? Positively. Opens eyes to many hidden processes.
              1. +5
                8 February 2022 13: 58
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                To Gregory?

                laughing Maxim ... yes, it doesn't matter wassat
                A particularly violent reaction was caused by the "price tag" of the new torpedo - about 100 million rubles. On the one hand, this is not enough (the French F21 costs more than twice as much), and on the other hand, it is a lot, because such a price turned out to be formed by the cost of components, which in some cases could be either cheaper or not installed at all. However, here the requirements are dictated by the customer.

                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3946745.html
                1. 0
                  8 February 2022 14: 03
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Maxim ... yes, it doesn't matter

                  Who is Finn? I AM!!!! wassat
                  And for prices, I would still like to justify, because we have less salaries and materials.
                  hi
                  1. +3
                    8 February 2022 14: 07
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    for prices, I would still like justification

                    This is for you in the counting room! laughing
                    I can only say one thing, this torpedo is no more than 5 kopecks inferior to the aircraft in terms of technology!
                    1. 0
                      8 February 2022 14: 13
                      Quote: Serg65
                      This is for you in the counting room!

                      Come on, they really can’t explain where 1000% of cheating on PCR tests comes from! laughing
                      1. +2
                        9 February 2022 07: 06
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Come on, they really can’t explain where 1000% of cheating on PCR tests comes from!

                        laughing It is clear that you were interested in the question of price solely for the sake of the class struggle!
                      2. 0
                        9 February 2022 16: 19
                        In general, many inconsistencies in pricing interest me. It's all over the place now, you wouldn't know. And where the roots grow from is also interesting. For this is a concrete brake on development. But I think you know that too. wink
                      3. +2
                        10 February 2022 08: 23
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        In general, many inconsistencies in pricing interest me

                        Which ones?
                      4. +1
                        10 February 2022 09: 18
                        Sergey, don't be weird, you understand everything.
                        When for a penny analogue with Aliexpress, but with the nameplate "Made by us" they set a tenfold price, this is no longer a subtle hint to the prosecutor's office.
                        This system is in all areas. When the regional Ministry of Health buys medical masks for 250 rubles. apiece, and for this they are only removed from office, then something is clearly wrong in this state.
                      5. +3
                        10 February 2022 09: 25
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        When for a penny analogue with Aliexpress, but with the nameplate "Made by us" they set a tenfold price, this is no longer a subtle hint to the prosecutor's office.

                        Well, as an economist, do you explain that you can set any price? The "evil" market will determine whether you are stupid or not!
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        When the regional Ministry of Health buys medical masks for 250 rubles. apiece, and for this they just remove from office

                        Which area is the Ministry of Health?
                      6. 0
                        10 February 2022 12: 18
                        Quote: Serg65
                        The "evil" market will determine whether you are stupid or not!

                        This is not the case in defense.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Which area is the Ministry of Health?

                        Saratov. What do you think is the exception? lol
                      7. +3
                        10 February 2022 13: 58
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        This is not the case in defense.

                        But as? Are there specific examples? I must say right away that there is no need to refer to Skomorokhov!
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Saratov

                        Ahhh, I don’t argue, at the beginning of 20, many had itching to warm their hands on covid, but not everyone succeeded, including the Ministry of Health of the Saratov Region.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        do you think this is an exception?

                        No, I don’t think theft is a contagious disease, many are susceptible to this disease ... and United Russia, and communists, and Zhirinovites, and Stalinists, and Bolsheviks, and monarchists, and democrats! .... craving for someone else does not make out party affiliation!
          2. +6
            8 February 2022 18: 44
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            By the way, yes. It would be interesting to know the rationale for the price.

            There are some tattoos.
            1. Her brains are on the on-board computer and in general she is all "digital" (according to the general designer. This is the processing of h / a signals, the allocation of DS boats ... detuning from interference and GPA.
            2. The mover seems to have been brought up and now it has an efficiency of under 90% and there is a water cannon, like on the UGST.
            3. Transport characteristics have been improved due to LIAB, but it seems that there are also disposable (combat) ones based on aluminum-silver oxide.
            4. The emitter-receiver of the GOS was also brought up, because. 3,5-4,0 km we could not detect an underwater target.
            Torpedo without specifications, because D update small. It is most likely anti-submarine, because. quiet and has a decent stroke speed, which is regulated in accordance with the "search program" of the low-noise PTS.
            In the BC of the boat, there will most likely be 8 units (2x4), 4 anti-ship missiles, 6 anti-ship torpedoes. Although all can be universal. Perhaps there will be a couple of 91R-1. But it all depends on the tasks assigned to the ship.
            IMHO.
        2. 0
          8 February 2022 16: 45
          Yes, torpedoes are very expensive weapons - because they must have specific qualities and special equipment for the aquatic environment.
        3. -1
          10 February 2022 00: 19
          In Soviet times, one steam-gas torpedo 53-65K or SET65 cost about the same as the Volga gas-21, that is, about 10-15 thousand rubles. But 100 million?
    3. 0
      8 February 2022 10: 58
      7,2 billion for 73 torpedoes. Almost 100 lyams for a torpedo, isn't it crazy?
      1. 0
        8 February 2022 16: 46
        Physicist 1, aka UGST, is now probably under 150 million apiece.
  2. +1
    8 February 2022 06: 12
    This is how I understood the addition to yesterday's publication?
  3. +5
    8 February 2022 06: 17
    Third time in three days.
    Apparently, the topics on VO are very tight.
  4. +8
    8 February 2022 06: 50
    Only I have deja vu or is this the third article by no means?
  5. +2
    8 February 2022 08: 48
    I look forward to an article by the leading experts of the VO Maksik and Romek, where the covers will be torn off this, so to speak, an outstanding weapon!
    1. +5
      8 February 2022 09: 10
      they write that to (in the export modification - UET-1E) a range of 25 kilometers (for USET-80 - 18 km) and a speed of 50 knots (for USET-80 - 48 with a drop at the end of the trajectory to 42). note the noise immunity of homing (CCH) and a modern permanent magnet motor made according to a gearless scheme with a very high efficiency - 0,97–0,98 (for comparison: similar in design to the Italian Black Shark has an efficiency of 0,94). True, the range of the Italian 50 km , and when compared with the German SeaHake torpedo, then there is a range of 120 km, but it’s interesting why there is such a difference and what type of batteries are used in UET-1
      1. +1
        8 February 2022 22: 47
        I wonder why there is such a difference
        don't you guess yourself? Have you seen the dimensions? The Germans have a pipe 10m long. https://topwar.ru/16004-nemeckiy-podvodnyy-rekord-dalnosti-torpeda-seahake-mod-4-er.html
  6. -1
    8 February 2022 10: 45
    And what about the torpedo, Physicist, otherwise the tests were carried out, the characteristics seem to be almost like those of the Mk-48 and silence.
    Well, 120 km of a German torpedo is an analogue of a Russian rocket-torpedo. German under its own power, Russian rocket into the search box. Much faster.
    1. +2
      8 February 2022 11: 33
      Quote: svoroponov
      Russian missile in the search box. Much faster.

      Ага.
      But you can not even remember about secrecy.
    2. +4
      8 February 2022 11: 38
      Quote: svoroponov
      And what about the torpedo, Physicist, otherwise the tests were carried out, the characteristics seem to be almost like those of the Mk-48 and silence.

      what And you didn’t confuse with the "Case"? "Physicist" seems to have been produced by Dagdiesel since 2002 ....
      1. 0
        8 February 2022 15: 55
        I would like to know exactly about ,,Physics,,
        1. 0
          8 February 2022 16: 51
          According to it, most likely the same purchases go for several dozen pieces in the contract.
  7. +2
    8 February 2022 12: 28
    I don’t have any side to the fleet at all, but it’s all very interesting to me.
    Tell me, it's not clear to me.
    Is this torpedo still excellent or does it suck?
    how to write to memory?
    1. +2
      8 February 2022 13: 50
      Yes, write something like this "excellent sucks", if you erase something unnecessary later.
      1. +1
        8 February 2022 20: 58
        Unclear. Fresh development and performance characteristics are not very good. That's why it's not clear to me.
    2. +1
      8 February 2022 22: 55
      Excellent. This is an anti-submarine torpedo. It is launched into the alleged location of the enemy submarine. She goes there at cruising speed, looking for a target. And when found, it increases speed and attacks. Because of this, the mover is electric, as it is adjustable. Heat engines on single-component fuel, not convenient to use for anti-submarine purposes with submarines. They have one engine. As far as I read the info. Noise is just as important. The only downside is the lack of remote control. That is, an optical control cable, which allows you to control a torpedo at a distance of up to 20 km.
      1. -1
        9 February 2022 12: 22
        Got it, thank you
  8. -1
    8 February 2022 14: 18
    And for surface ships, is it planned to replace the old 533 mm Set-65 torpedoes?
    1. 0
      10 February 2022 00: 52
      Set65 torpedo of the sixties, if anything ....
      1. 0
        10 February 2022 19: 23
        So what? You do not believe that we are armed with such ancient junk? Read.
        http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/i/284/71/topic-469.html
  9. +2
    8 February 2022 14: 25
    Klimov on air!!! I want an opinion from an expert.
    1. +2
      8 February 2022 18: 42
      Quote: Saboteur
      Is this torpedo still excellent or does it suck?

      They raised an interesting question, sucks or sucks, and if sucks, why?
      If we compare the walking range of UET-1 25 km and SeaHake 120 km, then a fivefold difference is visible, !!!, this cannot be explained by the difference in battery capacity alone, well, our batteries are not 5 times worse than German ones, and both torpedoes are long (according to our data, not found) and our engine with an efficiency of 98%, as a distant amateur, I can only assume .... As you know, up to 80% of the fuel is consumed to overcome the friction of the ship's hull against the water at low speeds and up to 40-50% at high speeds to reduce losses are used in different ways, smooth surfaces, water-repellent coatings., special geometry, perhaps the body of a German torpedo is not as simple as they show us in the pictures, it is very likely that there are special protrusions on the body to form a bubble cavity at high speeds in which it moves torpedo., or some other method of cavity formation is used, which reduces friction.
      1. +2
        8 February 2022 20: 57
        That's why the question arose. It seems like a new type of weapon, but in terms of parameters it seems to be not very good.
      2. +1
        8 February 2022 23: 03
        As far as I know, the German torpedo floats on the surface. It is also longer in size. One and a half times exactly.
  10. +1
    8 February 2022 21: 22
    Before the army, about 50 years ago he worked at this plant, although he did not get into the assembly and manufacture of torpedoes.
    1. 0
      9 February 2022 09: 14
      Quote: agond
      Well, not 5 times our batteries are worse than German ones

      I thought this could not be, but it turns out it can not, (all together in terms of the combination of qualities, range, specific battery capacity, dimensions, weight, noise, guidance systems, shelf life)
      "Ichthyosaurus" and others. Electric torpedoes - new...
      sell-off.livejournal.com›46442352.html
  11. -1
    9 February 2022 13: 08
    Balm for the ears of hydromajor Klimov
  12. 0
    9 February 2022 18: 39
    100 million rubles for one torpedo?! One and a half months of life 40 thousand. cities!
    1. -1
      9 February 2022 19: 53
      If everything is so bad with the batteries, then they would put a proven thermal, turbine engine. A pair of ERW is highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide and kerosene or alcohol, the specific energy capacity is higher than that of any batteries (for reference, ERW with kerosene in an engine for space gives an impulse higher than a pair of liquid oxygen-kerosene) and it is an order of magnitude cheaper than the cheapest battery, during storage only 0.6% is lost per year, it does not explode from detonation, that is, if a container with ERW in an open field releases the entire store in winter, it will simply flow out onto the snow without any special consequences. and then in the USSR, rocket scientists worked a lot with it, and now it is being used in some places. and there is a “Kit” torpedo, although there were drawbacks, the turbine and the multi-stage gearbox were very noisy, but today you can use magnetic bearings and a turbine with a generator assembled on one shaft, and since the turbine speed is very large, the generator will be very compact and use an electric drive screw. The range of such a torpedo in normal dimensions will not be 25 km, but all 250 km.
    2. 0
      11 February 2022 01: 18
      Also tense about 100/1. Googled mk48 for sale for $10 million (750 million rubles)
  13. 0
    11 February 2022 01: 17
    At first I thought, "No way! 100 million rubles for a little thing! And then I googled the price of the MK 48 - $10 million, that is, 750 million per piece. Expensive pleasure