Better late than never

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slipped through the week news about what's in the sea Aviation the first new Su-30SM2 aircraft arrived, made me think. Rejoice? In our strange and difficult times - definitely. The only question is how deeply you need to rejoice, because in general things are going well with Russian naval aviation ...

Let's just look at the numbers and see how they stand.



I very much hope that our expert layer will agree that an aircraft over the sea is a very important combat unit. This has been going on since the Second World War, little has changed now.

Once, in another country, the military command understood this very well, and the Soviet Union had simply luxurious naval aviation. Its number exceeded a thousand aircraft for various purposes: missile carriers, attack aircraft, bombers, fighters, anti-submarine and transport aircraft.

Better late than never

2008 was a black milestone in stories naval aviation, during the reforms of Mr. Serdyukov, naval missile-carrying aviation was finally eliminated. The remaining "on the fly" Tu-22M3 missile carriers were transferred to the Aerospace Forces. However, from hundreds of MPA aircraft of the Navy, by that time there were several dozen operational units.

And even then, in connection with the liquidation of naval missile carriers, for example, the Tu-22M3 of the Pacific fleet were transferred from Sovetskaya Gavan to the Irkutsk region, to the Usolsky district, to the Belaya airfield. How justified it is to remove the former naval missile carriers from the coast for two and a half thousand kilometers, I can’t judge. But the fact that the 444th heavy bomber aviation regiment, where the aircraft of the 568th separate mixed aviation regiment was poured, should not be considered as a great help to the fleet - this is a fact.

There were no bombers and missile carriers left in the aviation of the fleets. This is a great "achievement" in the reorganization of naval structures aimed at strengthening the combat capabilities of the fleets.


It is good that they did not have time to reform the attack aviation of the fleets. And today there are still the 43rd separate naval assault aviation regiment of the Black Sea Fleet and the 4th separate guards assault aviation regiment of the Baltic Fleet.

The very name "assault regiment" is very conditional. In terms of the tasks performed, sea attack aircraft are closer to land front-line bombers, since the targets for sea attack aircraft are both attacks on ships and coastal stationary targets.


Therefore, the main naval attack aircraft is the Su-24M. But this aircraft cannot carry anti-ship cruise missiles. The main missile armament of the Su-24M is short and medium-range guided missiles capable of operating against targets on the coast. The Su-24M can also use its missiles against ships, but the effectiveness of such strikes will be more than doubtful. Mainly because of the range of weapons, which simply forces the attack aircraft to approach the ship's air defense coverage area.

In general, let's face it, the Su-24 is frankly outdated, like a strike aircraft. Its use is still justified in countries such as Syria, where the enemy does not have normal air defense, but actions against modern ships equipped with modern air defense systems can and will be successful, but the question is at what cost.

There is an opinion that this price will be very high. The Su-24M has been in service since 1983, and no matter how you modernize it, it remains an old front-line bomber in the service of the fleet.


Su-30SM2. This is a slightly different layout. This is the next generation aircraft, and if we take the Su-30SM2, then everything that is possible from the Su-35 was stuck there.


Yes, the Su-30 itself also does not dare to call it a modern fighter. As a fighter, just the Su-30, even in the latest modification, loses to the same Su-35. But how the Su-30 attack aircraft looks quite promising, because the aircraft is able to use two anti-ship missiles: the subsonic Kh-35 and the supersonic Kh-31. The Kh-35 is more powerful in terms of warhead (145 versus 95 kg), but slower than the Kh-31.


The X-31 is a missile with a very high degree of probability penetrating through almost any ship's air defense, being used massively. However, it still has the same drawbacks: a short flight range. There is a modification of the Kh-31AD, in which the range is increased by 50 km compared to the Kh-31A (flight range of 110 km), but the range of the SM-6 SAM, which is equipped with American ships, is 240 km. From this it is clear that the use of these anti-ship missiles will be a very, very difficult task.


X-35 is better. Yes, we can say that this is our Harpoon. It can be launched from a greater distance, outside the coverage area of ​​the ship's air defense. True, for firing from long distances, an appropriate radar is needed.

"Puma" and "Tiger" in the Su-24 - this is generally the day before yesterday. The Bars of the Su-30 is already better, but the confident radius of combat work is no more than 100 km.

Su-30SM2 will be equipped with the H035 Irbis product, all from the same Su-35. But the Irbis with a passive phased antenna array consumes an order of magnitude more energy than the Bars, so as part of the modernization, it was necessary to change the AL-31F engines to AL-41F all from the same Su-35. The Su-35 engine generators are designed for heavy loads and the Irbis will work with them without problems, since these are “his” generators.

The Irbis radar will allow the Su-30SM2 to see the target and launch the missile not just from a long distance, but from a safe distance. Yes, it will be the X-35, which will be easier for the ship's air defense to deal with, but this is a subject for a separate discussion.

It is important for us that the modernized Su-30 is capable of not only giving the pilot a chance to survive, but the aircraft can ensure the combat mission of countering enemy ships without unnecessary and unnecessary losses.

However, there is no clear information about which aircraft will be received in the assault regiments of naval aviation. It would be just fine if those Su-30SM2, which were discussed above, would get into service. But there is also information of a slightly different plan, less optimistic.

Some sources said (and indirectly confirmed by the military) that in the aircraft of the first series coming for the rearmament of naval assault aviation regiments, the engines would not be AL-41F. Accordingly, the radar will not be Irbis. Considering that we simply do not have other engines and radars, it means that these Su-30SM2s are not so SM2 after all.

In principle, in any case, it is better than the Su-24M. It's hard to argue with this. Moreover, wars are not expected tomorrow, so there is time to collect those aircraft that were originally announced. That is, the Su-30SM2.


A certain number of aircraft of the "transitional stage" - it's not scary if they are replaced by real aircraft of THE modification that was originally mentioned.

It would also be very nice if naval attack aircraft got at their disposal modern means of defeating the enemy. Of course, the Kh-35 (in service since 2003) and the Kh-31 (in service since 1989) can be called modern at a stretch, but both of them are from the 70s of the last century.

They promised a hypersonic air-to-surface missile. But for work on coastal infrastructure facilities. Anti-ship missiles are not expected.

But there is an Onyx, which may well get a residence permit on the Su-30. Were the Indians able to use a modified version of Yakhont, the export version of Onyx, on their Su-30MKIs?


"Brahmos" is quite normally placed on the Indian Su-30MKI, why can't "Onyx" be finalized? After all, the missile was originally created as an air-based anti-ship missile.

Let's just estimate how many Su-24Ms with Kh-29 or Kh-59 missiles (as ancient as the carrier) will be needed to cause at least some harm to modern destroyers like the American Arleigh Burke or the British Defender?

Even a “weakling” Briton can very sharply “show his teeth”, of which he has 48. Exactly as many cells in the Sylver A50 launcher for Aster 30 missiles with a firing range of up to 120 km and Aster 15 short-range missiles with a firing range of up to 30 km.

How many chances does the Su-24M have in such a case?

Su-30SM2 with modern strike weapons looks much more promising. The Su-24M is not only outdated, it is so outdated that it is out of the question to use it against modern ships. Such an attack would be senseless and merciless against the Su-24 pilots.

Therefore, the re-equipment of the two remaining regiments of naval assault aviation with more modern aircraft can only be welcomed. And, of course, you can be happy. But - optimism should be expressed when rearmament is completed.


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The revival of Russian naval aviation can be started in this way. The main thing is not to stop.
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  1. +34
    30 January 2022 04: 11
    Finally, at least someone at VO appreciated the Su-24 as it is.
    1. +9
      30 January 2022 04: 26
      Quote: mmaxx
      Finally, at least someone at VO appreciated the Su-24 as it is.

      Here is a good article on the subject:
      https://topwar.ru/84921-sluzhba-i-boevoe-primenenie-frontovogo-bombardirovschika-su-24-chast-2-ya.html
    2. +21
      30 January 2022 05: 11
      Finally, at least someone at VO appreciated the Su-24 as it is.

      The "Exoset" AM-39 on the Argentinean "Superetandars" had a range when launched near the ground of 50 km, and 70 km when launched from H = 10 km. Midget flight, slide, launch, descent and home. Skyhawks generally dragged ordinary land mines, almost clinging to the waves. They stuck them into the side, jumped over the ship and fled. If only the bombs exploded immediately, and not when the British sappers pulled them out of the bulkheads.
      Skomorokhov just forgot such a thing as a radio horizon. And the fact that attack aircraft themselves are not looking for anyone, but fly "on a tip".
      1. +18
        30 January 2022 06: 49
        The English air defense of the Anglo-Argentine war is simply a miracle. They were for peace.
      2. +18
        30 January 2022 10: 02
        The radio horizon is good, but NATO has an abundance of AWACS
        1. +12
          30 January 2022 10: 31
          The radio horizon is good, but NATO has an abundance of AWACS

          So these things are planned. Even the Argentines sent clean fighters (Israeli-built mirages) to tie up the carrier-based Harriers in battle. Yes, not well. Yes, the all-perspective "sidewinders" of the British gave them a huge head start. But after all thought, planned. And you immediately go to the embrasure with your bare ass, without covering the strike group with anything.
          1. +11
            30 January 2022 10: 39
            The problem is that NATO has many times more aircraft. Therefore, every time you spend planes to tie a unit into battle, the enemy sends more. The problem is the radically different size of the economy
            1. +19
              30 January 2022 10: 41
              The problem is the radically different size of the economy

              This is for Mishustin and Putin. wink We will not solve this "problem" with you.
            2. -2
              30 January 2022 13: 55
              to equalize economies in a total war, there is strategic nuclear forces. don’t mix everything together, we start with planning an attack on a separate ship, we end with planning actions in a global war)))
          2. +24
            30 January 2022 10: 46
            Quote: dauria
            So these things are planned.

            Plan. The Argentines, if anything, the fleet had AWACS aircraft - Neptunes. Yes, old and sick, but it was they who revealed the location of the KVMF and allowed them to strike at Sheffield.
            Where does our fleet have such aircraft?
            Quote: dauria
            Even the Argentines sent clean fighters (Israeli-built mirages) to tie up the carrier-based Harriers in battle.

            Nothing was sent. Naked shock groups were sent without cover. Fighters were sent at the initial stage to cover the islands.
            1. +22
              30 January 2022 13: 46
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Where does our fleet have such aircraft?

              IL-38?
              Tu-142?
              if by analogy with "Neptune" take. recourse
              A-50 \ A-50U, which you can count on your fingers and burst into tears?
              A-100, which is not there, but has been promising for 12-15 years?
              True, Sych containers for naval Su-30SM and other Su-34s have begun to arrive, and AWACS UAVs promise ...
              And of course "Mineral" for surface tracking equipment.
              The whole trouble is that we have in Naval Aviation in general with airplanes request bummer and confusion. The Fleet (admirals) does not like their Aviation, which is why they are in no hurry to order new aircraft. After all, they decided for themselves a long time ago that "There will be no war."
              ... What is 21 Su-30SM for all Naval Aviation ??
              For 4 fleets and one flotilla?
              And it seems that the General Staff completely agrees with the opinion of the admirals.
              Alas.
              1. +2
                31 January 2022 19: 56
                The admirals have no opinion. They do not plan, they do not allocate money, they do not receive either. Admirals only report on the percentage of work completed by the industry, without being able to control the costs of promos. Military acceptance only checks the quality. That's all the sailors can do.
                1. +1
                  31 January 2022 20: 31
                  And do the "chess players" draw up plans for the defense of water areas and adjacent water areas? Without applications for the needs of the defense of the entrusted areas, how will the chess players write out plans for you? They were taught differently.
                  All the post-Soviet years, the command of the fleets pushed its aviation, even tried to get rid of it - "only non-core chores", and "There will be no war!" .
                  Especially when the Fleet has almost no ships, how, except for aviation, to build defense from sea directions? How to deal with enemy strike and anti-submarine aircraft? How can naval bases be protected and protected from enemy aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic?
                  And if there are no applications for updating Naval Aviation, then it will not be.
                  In fact, she doesn't exist.
                  And water does not flow under a lying stone.
                  1. +3
                    31 January 2022 23: 42
                    It just so happens that everything is decided by politicians. And they supply the Army and Navy with what is beneficial to them, and not what the military needs. This is usually.
                    I don’t know if oxygen cylinders and KDA-30 equipment developed in 2 were removed from the Su-15SM1987, replacing them with the BKDU-130, as it is on the Su-35S.
                    If not, then the price of all this modernization is worthless. Worse than the Indians come out.

                    Like it or not, the Su-30SM was developed 20 years ago, based on the same Su-30MKI. Do not do it, but a completely modern aircraft cannot be made from it by definition.
                    It was necessary to force the 5th generation ...
                    1. 0
                      1 February 2022 01: 21
                      As a glider and base, the Su-30SM is quite good for itself, and I think in the new version of the SM2 everything that is possible from the Su-35 was dragged into it. That's just about the AL-41F1S engines - silent. Apparently the stone flower did not come out with remotorization. Before that, they mentioned that they were going to develop "something in between" in the dimension of AL-31F, but with the characteristics of AL-41F1S ... I think they will limit themselves to replacing blades to increase resource up to 4000 hours and an easy upgrade. But if they installed "Irbis" instead of "Bars" - already a huge progress.
                      For flying over the sea, the Su-30SM2 is a completely suitable version, if only they were not limited to such a ridiculous order. For Naval Aviation, you need to form / re-equip at least 4 - 5 regiments, so that there is at least something to cover the bases. And if they also compose decent anti-ship weapons, and the regiments will have not miserable 2, but as expected - 3 squadrons ... maybe there will be a sense.
                      That's just when?
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      It was necessary to force the 5th generation ...

                      With the 5th generation, I found a scythe for a sazhen. And apparently not only in engines (which may not work out), but mainly in avionics, radar, software and a radio component base.
                      For several years now, not a word, not a hint about the previously promoted "Squirrel" all-around. It can be seen that the stone flower did not work for "Danila the Master" either.
                      And launching a new glider with the old filling into a series is the height of blasphemy and shame.
                      Well, at least the old Su-27s and early Su-30s were replaced with the Su-35 and Su-30SM2 ... and several new regiments were deployed. On what is.
                      Or the same MiG-35S with the new AFAR radar would be launched into the series - those regiments that fly on the MiG-29 would be re-equipped - that would also be the case. Yes, you look and who would order ...
                      But the authorities only talk.
                      1. 0
                        1 February 2022 02: 18
                        The military no longer has any interest in the MiG-35 after the presentation of the Su-75. Apparently they are waiting for him, after all, the first comes from the 70s, and the second, although single-engine, is completely the latest car created from scratch.
                        And I don’t see the point in thinking about other engines on the Su-30SM, except for the standard Al-31FP, since this engine is the most successful in its class. It has high maintainability and interchangeability with Al-31F units, which should still be in stock and can be used from decommissioned vehicles where there is a rest of their resource. Or nodes.
                        Therefore, in terms of unification, it can be left as is.

                        As for aerodynamics, the Su-30SM is not the best compared to the Su-35S.
                        On the Su-33, the PGO was left in this layout in order to increase the lift of the wing during takeoff from the springboard;
                        at the Su-34, the PGO was left so that the plane would not "pound" at low altitudes;
                        Early Su-35s with PGOs were removed from service.

                        The Su-35S was created later than all of those listed, which is why they rejected the PGO on it already from experience. Due to uselessness.
                        The Su-30MKI was developed earlier, so we decided to leave everything as it is in terms of aerodynamics.
                  2. +1
                    2 February 2022 19: 20
                    The Naval Board (there is such an advisory body of respected people), the Commander-in-Chief and all sorts of theorists can write a sea of ​​​​applications. But MORF and the leadership of the USC come to Himself. The commander-in-chief is not included. Therefore, when the GDP directly asked: “Do we need an aircraft carrier at all?”, Evmenov, in the presence of Shoigu, kept silent in a rag. Because for extra words you can retire. From the fleet in MORF they are waiting only for peppy reports that we will sink everyone, are combat ready and we will defeat everyone, and we don’t need money. And if you report on the actual state, you will leave for demobilization like Bursuk. And if you can't do what you expect, you'll leave like Chirkov. Therefore, one should not expect anything from the new naval officials. They do not develop the fleet, they manage what they have, quickly make friends with the USC and go to the DMB to warm places.
                    1. 0
                      2 February 2022 19: 58
                      Well, therefore, such it is - the Kremlin Power.
                      Kindergarten competencies, but live in sweetness. bully
          3. +8
            30 January 2022 13: 01
            The Argentines lacked range. Strike groups flew even without the possibility of a second call. If there was any force majeure for maneuvering, then very often there was not enough fuel to the airfield. The plane was falling.
      3. 0
        30 January 2022 13: 53
        so it is, you only need the right tactics of application. made a slide found a target made a launch - yes, you are also likely to be detected, but most likely they will not have time to launch, and even if they do, again pressing against the surface, the chances of even an AP with a seeker to find you are very small.
        1. -1
          30 January 2022 14: 23
          again clinging to the surface, the chances of even a ZR with a GOS to find you are very small

          Everything is correct. And if the course of the aircraft is also across the course of the rocket, then the Doppler selection will not work to get rid of surface interference.
      4. 0
        30 January 2022 21: 53
        How many years have already passed, you would still remember the fleet of Troy or Nelson. In general, pacifists were sent to the Falklands, where the most ferocious were the Argentines and the SAS, recruited from emigrants for a green card.
    3. +16
      30 January 2022 08: 44
      Quote: mmaxx
      appreciated the Su-24 as it is.

      The author of the article did not quite correctly assess.
      The Su-24m he mentioned has long been withdrawn from service, and we need to talk about its modification of the Su-24m2, and the differences between them are significant.
      There are many inaccuracies in the article, it makes no sense to list everything.
      Just a few: -no one will ever send a Su-24m2 with an X-29 to destroy an aircraft carrier, that's just stupid.
      - bombers never entered the USSR naval aviation.
      - the former Minister of Defense Serdyukov did not and could not have anything to do with the collapse of naval aviation.
      With what we can agree, the Su-24m2 is outdated, it's time for a well-deserved rest.
      1. +17
        30 January 2022 13: 02
        Let's not quibble. But the Su-24 will not survive the war with a normal enemy now. Spend a resource in some Syria and send it to rest - to museums. The plane is beautiful.
        1. 0
          30 January 2022 15: 08
          Quote: mmaxx
          Let's not pick on

          Claiming in the article that the Su-24M was put into service in 1983, the author is talking about the Su-24M, that is, he does not even have a clue about the Su-24M2.
          This whole article is very naive and even funny, and can only arouse couch interest inside, let's say so.
        2. +1
          30 January 2022 15: 19
          Quote: mmaxx
          The plane is beautiful.

          There are not so many of these beauties left, they were re-equipped with Su-34s in the Air Force, those few that remained - they don’t spoil the overall picture, they honestly work it out.
          In naval aviation, where the Su-24 was assigned back in Soviet times by order, they are gradually changing to the Su-30
          1. -2
            31 January 2022 10: 38
            Naval aviation consists of fighter and bomber regiments
            Su-24M bombers will be gradually replaced by Su-34
            and Su-27 fighters on Su-30SM / 2
            1. +4
              31 January 2022 12: 02
              Can you give an example of a bomber regiment of naval aviation (do not offer disbanded ones)?
              1. -4
                31 January 2022 12: 10
                I was talking about squadrons and not regiments, full-fledged regiments are still far away
                The 72nd air base in Chernyakhovsk belongs to the Baltic fleet
                4th Composite Aviation Regiment
                1st Squadron with 10 Su-27s, 3 Su-27UBs, 2nd Squadron with 14 Su-24Ms, 3rd Squadron with 8 Su-30SMs, 4 Su-30SM2s
                here the 2nd squadron will be replaced by the Su-34, and the 1st squadron by the Su-35S (after Khotilovo)
                1. +3
                  31 January 2022 12: 11
                  Something you didn't google.

                  There is no 4th mixed aviation regiment, there is the 4th Guards Naval Assault Aviation Regiment in Chernyakhovsk and the 43rd Separate Naval Assault Airport in the Crimea.
                  1. -4
                    31 January 2022 12: 21
                    4th Guards Naval Assault Aviation Regiment in Chernyakhovsk

                    I meant this - 3 squadrons - according to my conclusion - mixed
                    2nd Fighter, 1st Bomber Squadron
                    1. 0
                      1 February 2022 16: 23
                      Once again for those who are in the tank.
                      Two regiments with strike aircraft - assault.
                      The type of aviation forces to which they belong in Naval Aviation is called "assault". No need to try to invent anything, especially you.
                      1. -2
                        1 February 2022 16: 58
                        4th mixed aviation regiment for those who are in the MiG-18
                        slang expression where mixed - described above
                      2. 0
                        1 February 2022 22: 39
                        4th Composite Aviation Regiment


                        There is no such regiment in naval aviation.
      2. +12
        30 January 2022 14: 44
        - bombers never entered the USSR naval aviation.

        Vladimir, hello.
        If you mean bombers in general, then this is a mistake. In the missile-carrying regiments armed with Tu-16s, the third squadrons were armed with bombers.
        1. -2
          30 January 2022 15: 12
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          In missile-carrying regiments armed with Tu-16, the third squadrons were armed with bombers

          That's just the point, that in general, as you put it.
          Having bombers in service does not at all mean having bomber aircraft.
          1. +8
            30 January 2022 15: 23
            I will not argue here. This is terminology. One of the main tasks of the third squadrons was precisely bombing. To accomplish this combat mission, appropriate bomber aircraft are needed.
            1. 0
              30 January 2022 15: 30
              Quote: CHEREDA73
              One of the main tasks of the third squadrons was precisely bombing

              By the way, in any regiment of any aviation, the third squadrons were for running in the young staff, or to perform some specific tasks, less complex, for example, electronic warfare.
              It is possible to adapt the An-26 to a bomber, easily, and there is a sight, and there will be accuracy.
              1. +9
                30 January 2022 15: 38
                I can't say anything about the "young" ones. And so in the MRAP (naval missile-carrying aviation regiment), when the Tu-16s were in service, the first and second squadrons were missile-carrying. The third is tanker aircraft and bombers, electronic warfare is also there. The Tu-16 was a full-fledged bomber in the third squadrons, no one "remade" them.
                1. +5
                  30 January 2022 15: 43
                  Quote: CHEREDA73
                  The third is tanker aircraft and bombers, electronic warfare is also there. The Tu-16 was a full-fledged bomber in the third squadrons, no one "remade" them.

                  Well, the composition of the third squadron was in the MRA - tankers, jammers, and bombers, the squadron was literally crammed with everyone and everything.
              2. 0
                31 January 2022 01: 33
                Quote: bober1982
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                One of the main tasks of the third squadrons was precisely bombing

                By the way, in any regiment of any aviation, the third squadrons were for running in the young staff, or to perform some specific tasks, less complex, for example, electronic warfare.
                It is possible to adapt the An-26 to a bomber, easily, and there is a sight, and there will be accuracy.

                I do not agree! Explain to me then the third squadron in OBVP, OTVP, OBViU ...?
            2. 0
              30 January 2022 15: 37
              Quote: CHEREDA73
              To accomplish this combat mission, appropriate bomber aircraft are needed.

              Our mutual friend BEZa had a story - how he bombed with a Tu-16, a very funny story, there the sight was installed almost from a captured Junkers (as I understand it), unless of course you believe him. An excellent OPB-16 was installed on the VVS Tu-11s
              Such were the naval bombers.
              1. +5
                30 January 2022 15: 42
                Here I do not know, so far my knowledge does not extend. By sight, you, as a navigator, know better.
                I am more or less aware of the third squadrons, because my father, before being appointed regiment commander, commanded precisely the third squadron (bombed and dragged a hose smile ) which did not prevent him from becoming an excellent missile carrier and refueling.
                1. +3
                  30 January 2022 15: 48
                  Apparently, when the Su-24 was transferred to naval aviation, they remembered the glorious bomber traditions of naval aviation.
                  For some reason, when political officer Sablin stole Watchdog, remembered the Yak-28 Air Force bombers
              2. +3
                30 January 2022 15: 48
                this is an excerpt from a poem by a veteran of the 924th Guards MCI, Major Karpov. Just about bombing.

                On the "combat" hatches are open,
                Our Stateland clung to the sight,
                Igor's hands go numb
                From waiting for commands.*18

                Semenov "behind" watches, * 19
                He "gives control" to the navigator,
                The bombs are definitely hitting
                And from the training ground they gave: "Zero"!

                *18 During bombing on a combat course, the commander of the ship, Berdnikov Igor Semenovich, major, military pilot of the 1st class, is obliged to clearly follow the commands of the navigator of the Shtatland ship Alexander Mikhailovich, senior lieutenant, military navigator of the 1st class, for an accurate approach to the target. The result of the bombing of the RP of the range is given in two numbers: Azimuth and Distance from the target. 0 and 0 means the bomb hit the target exactly.
                1. 0
                  30 January 2022 15: 52
                  I say it's funny.
                  Quote: CHEREDA73
                  0 and 0 means the bomb hit the target accurately.

                  Even funnier.
                  1. +2
                    30 January 2022 15: 54
                    What's funny there? Good poem. And the note is written for those who do not understand anything in this matter. What is "zero".
                    1. +3
                      30 January 2022 15: 55
                      I liked the poem too.
                      1. +3
                        30 January 2022 15: 57
                        It is generally large, dedicated to the veterans of the 924th Guards MCI. Googles easily. It is called "Piece of the Planned Table" by Karpov.
                    2. 0
                      30 January 2022 15: 57
                      About what Igor's hands are numb from waiting for commands.......
                      With such hands, they don’t bomb, or in the wrong place.
                      1. +2
                        30 January 2022 15: 59
                        Well...
                        It's still a poem smile Artwork, not a photograph. The author tried to convey the tension of the moment ...
                      2. 0
                        30 January 2022 16: 03
                        Sitting with numb hands on a combat course for a navigator means uncertainty, did you grab onto the sight? and chaotic thoughts in my head, it's better not to bomb.
                      3. +3
                        30 January 2022 16: 06
                        Okay, Vladimir, let's not find fault with the Author, especially since the Author is not a navigator, but a First Class pilot. After all, he did not write a report, but a poem ...
                        If you have the time and desire, then read ... hi
                      4. +3
                        30 January 2022 16: 41
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        If you have the time and desire, then read ..

                        I read this a long time ago, I always read this with interest, now everything is available, there would be a desire, but there is plenty of time now. And, my respect to you.
                      5. +3
                        30 January 2022 16: 44
                        Respect is my father. good
                        I didn't deserve...
      3. +1
        31 January 2022 12: 16
        Quote: bober1982
        The Su-24m he mentioned has long since been decommissioned.

        Hmmm... in March 2021 Monchegorsk Su-24M Nº40, Nº51 and Su-24MR Nº31 practiced refueling from Il-78.
        http://forums.airforce.ru/foto-video/2440-su-24m-polety-chast-2-a-50/

        The most interesting thing is that even "clean" Su-2016s served in naval aviation until 24 - in the 43rd omshap. It was the "marine" Su-24 on 31.08.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX that performed the last flight for machines of this modification.
  2. +12
    30 January 2022 05: 08
    In the Murmansk region sequestered behind the eyes and behind the ears. In the sense of combat units of the Air Force, Air Defense and Naval Aviation. The taxi driver didn't know...
  3. +9
    30 January 2022 06: 17
    The only question is how deeply you need to rejoice, because in general things are going well with Russian naval aviation ...

    It's just amazing to me that it's still there. Here is just one video about the former naval aviation base (Korzunovo - Upper Luostari):

    During my service, everything worked and flew there ... Maybe it seemed to someone that Norway had enclosed us in a strong embrace?
    How can you rejoice at a production that doesn't exist? Two planes instead of four or all four? ... There are fewer letters and numbers in the name of the plane than in the abbreviation of modernization ...
    Today I accidentally stumbled upon an enemy who posted a video about the production of drones. What's this?

    It seems that the Russian matrix works on lamps ...
    1. -11
      30 January 2022 06: 49
      I didn’t watch the entire video, it’s immediately clear that it doesn’t carry any objectivity. I got to the tables on wheels, we have all the racks on wheels, it’s very convenient. In order not to ride there are blockers. It is clear that production has not yet been put on stream at a new location. The Minister of Defense should have been invited to the plant at least six months later. But the information war is not waiting.
      1. -7
        30 January 2022 07: 12
        In the last article about the Kronstadt plant, he specifically wrote "Perhaps the Orions were delivered from other production facilities. Orion is perfectly packed in one box. Not one of them noticed in that article that the lighting in the place where the Orions were assembled does not comply with GOST. I can imagine how the assembly room and operational electrical group. You should not worry about 3 or 4 more production sites near Kronstadt. There is already a test airfield. And the equipment will be brought in over time. The most important production has already begun at a new facility. at what stage of readiness the object.
        1. +1
          31 January 2022 11: 56
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Not one of them noticed in that article that the lighting in the place where the Orions were assembled does not comply with GOST.

          Pfff .... we have a floating dock, which, according to the PUE, belongs to the first category of power consumers (at least two independent power sources, power supply interruption only for the period of automatic power restoration), drowned due to a missing power supply.
          1. +1
            31 January 2022 12: 01
            Quote: Alexey RA
            drowned due to power outage

            C'mon...ah informed sources they say that this is an aircraft carrier during the maneuvers to exit the dock, kissed wholeheartedly with the hull)
      2. +12
        30 January 2022 08: 02
        Quote: ASAD
        I didn’t watch the entire video, it’s immediately clear that it doesn’t carry any objectivity.

        This is how you showed objectivity?
        What do you say? fellow Bravo!
        This is what high-tech production looks like (cars, not even drones):

        And here you are telling that tables on wheels, wooden rulers, markers and tailor's scissors are "know-how" laughing ... stop fool Yes, this is the most common "how-to" ...
        Quote: ASAD
        But the information war is not waiting.

        What is on fire? Or the principle: he crowed, and there, even if it doesn’t dawn, does it work in all its glory? Well, yes ... Then you need to improve your skills:
        You can also understand:

        Quote: tralflot1832
        Not one of them noticed in that article that the lighting in the place where the Orions were collected does not correspond ...

        ... TU, SNiP and TB rules ...
        Again, this is honest, this is objective ... You alone see that everything is fine in the country, but we still find (what scoundrels-liberals) ulcers and flaws on the healthy body of capitalist production ...
        1. -11
          30 January 2022 14: 27
          This is how you showed objectivity?
          What do you say? brother Bravo!
          This is what high-tech production looks like (cars, not even drones):

          Yes ? Well, here is our high-tech production:

        2. +1
          30 January 2022 18: 00
          In fairness, automated car factories are still the 80s, the previous technological order. Now even everything is moving towards simplification, where it is possible instead of casting - a 3d printer, fewer parts, etc. It’s even a pity that after a total transition to electric trains, a bunch of sophisticated equipment and specialists will remain out of work.
      3. +14
        30 January 2022 11: 31
        Quote: ASAD
        I got to the tables on wheels, we have all the racks on wheels, very convenient.

        Do you distinguish a workplace (in this case, a table) from a rack?
        Have you ever stood at least behind a drawing board in your time?
        At the marking table?
        Or at least behind a workbench in your garage?
        On wheels ... convenient, damn it ... Yes, any safety engineer, seeing this disgrace without a rigid fixation of the desktop, would forbid even coming close to it.
        Such "conveniences on wheels" can be talked about by people who have not even watched the production process in any workshop out of the corner of their eye.
        The video is interesting, by the way. Sheer show. I found a couple more blunders that cannot be entered into the production process with all the desire.
        1. 0
          April 21 2022 06: 18
          I also think that constructive criticism is very important. It doesn't matter who it comes from, even if it's from the enemy. She must be able to listen and take action. Shutting mouths is destruction and hurts the REAL cause. I agree, this conveyor is definitely window dressing, even for a completely inexperienced eye. Maybe later they will fill this workshop with real equipment and a real conveyor, but showing THIS is a shame for the Moscow Region.
    2. +3
      30 January 2022 13: 12
      Norway, even when he was president, Dimon gave the sea territory of Norway equal in area to Crimea
    3. 0
      1 February 2022 11: 04
      So much free space in the workshop, you can play football. I have never seen or worked in such workshops.
  4. +20
    30 January 2022 06: 56
    The Su-34 was originally developed, among other things, as a carrier of anti-ship missiles. Its flight range and payload are greater than those of the Su-30SM2, the so-called "open architecture that allows the Su-34 to be adapted to perform various tasks. The cockpit allows pilots to comfortably carry out hours-long flights over the sea. Why bother with a new garden with the Su-30SM2 in the MRA?
  5. -8
    30 January 2022 07: 14
    Aviation modification of Onyx has long existed.
    1. +3
      30 January 2022 14: 21
      Quote: Dart2027
      Aviation modification of Onyx has long existed.

      Welcome.
      hi
      BrahMos has an air launch, but it's a joint venture. We do not produce them, although if there was a desire ..
      1. -5
        30 January 2022 15: 45
        Quote: Orkraider
        BrahMos has an air launch

        No, it's Onyx.
        In 2014, this missile was installed on 35 Su-30SM aircraft.
        https://militaryarms.ru/boepripasy/rakety/protivokorabelnaya-krylataya-raketa-p-800-oniks/
        1. +1
          30 January 2022 16: 16
          interesting link request

          If that's true, then that's great. Although I did not see a single photo, and there was no information about the release, let's hope that this is a secrecy that they began to remember.
          good

          But in this case, the su-34 could carry two of them, like a drummer, for sailors it is more interesting, in my opinion, of course))
          1. -4
            30 January 2022 16: 32
            Quote: Orkraider
            But in this case, the su-34 could carry two of them, like a drummer, for sailors it is more interesting, in my opinion, of course

            Maybe I didn't see any photos either.
          2. -1
            16 March 2022 12: 39
            onyx has long been positioned as an aircraft rocket.
      2. 0
        30 January 2022 23: 02
        they don’t release it in the Russian Federation, but the Hindu Su30s were remade by us for testing by Brahmos-Sushka, like the rocket itself, they made it with us, then they returned it all to India and tortured it. So most likely, they know everything, they either want to and should or vice versa.
  6. +3
    30 January 2022 08: 35
    naval aviation should be homogeneous - fighter and assault regiments should be armed with one machine - it would be better if the su34 is capable of operating in several configurations
  7. +4
    30 January 2022 10: 37
    bmpd writes that these 2 SU-shki have an old version of the engines.
  8. +4
    30 January 2022 14: 47
    the Soviet Union had just luxurious naval aviation

    Appeals to what the Soviet Union had are completely unfounded. In order to have what the USSR had, it is necessary to return to the USSR, moreover, not by "collecting lands", but by restoring the corresponding socialist system.
    Since a return to socialism is an unrealizable dream in the foreseeable future, then dreaming of having what the USSR had was a waste of time.
    1. -2
      16 March 2022 12: 37
      Quote: Undecim
      then dreaming of having what the USSR had was a waste of time

      ek you wrapped! But how then to explain that Tu-160s fly?
      These are cars from the USSR.
      and even worse are the Tu-160s transferred from Ukraine.
      It's just on tracing paper - they dreamed like in the USSR and got it.
    2. 0
      April 20 2022 22: 29
      It's hard to argue with that, it really is!
  9. -1
    30 January 2022 22: 27
    and where is the news about the Su-30SM2?
  10. 0
    31 January 2022 08: 33
    My opinion, as usual, if you give the sailors a plane, they will drown it. The fleet should not have any combat aircraft, everything that flies should be subordinate to the unified command of the Air Force. In our country, if for good, even the construction of a boat should be justified at the level of the Ministry of Defense, but the fleet just needs to receive funding and maintain positions.
  11. +2
    31 January 2022 14: 32
    I'm trying to be stupid!!!
    two stupid questions
    1. Why is it necessary to stick the Su-30cm2 and not the Su-35 into naval aviation ???
    2. Why are the Su-34s not armed in naval aviation ???
    I would understand if the Su-30SM were in service with the MA and they were finished up to the level of the Su-30SM2 ...
    And so I don't understand..
    Or again choose what is cheaper ??? Not better but cheaper
  12. +2
    31 January 2022 15: 18
    Even a "weak" Briton can very sharply "show his teeth", of which he has 48

    The “weakling” has one of the best ship radars and air defense systems. Second only to the latest "flights" "Arly Burke".
    They also - on strike weapons, but here we are talking specifically about air defense.
  13. 0
    1 February 2022 04: 47
    That's right: 4 received Su-30SM aircraft are not SM2 at all, that is, without engines and Su-35 radar.
    They wrote that CM2 will be ready at the end of 2023
  14. 0
    1 February 2022 10: 05
    Roman, thanks for the article. Weighed, with calculations and conclusions!!
    And most importantly: where necessary with criticism, and where necessary with recommendations and with "restrained" optimism!! good
  15. 0
    6 February 2022 17: 46
    Did they put in new galoshes, or even those of the Soviet design, those for Africa?
  16. 0
    16 March 2022 10: 39
    The variable geometry of the wing and UHT Al-41F allows the Su-24 to hang in stratospheric winds much longer at altitudes up to 11 km West-East on AWACS with the Irbis radar.
  17. -1
    16 March 2022 12: 35
    it seems to me that it is high time to use groups of specialized machines
    one is reconnaissance and radar, which will provide stealth and target designation, the other is a truck with bombs
    I understand that for a front-line bomber that attacks an armored personnel carrier, this is somewhat overkill, but a ship is already a completely different and valuable target, saving more money here.
    Americans have been using a flight order from different machines for a long time.
    And we are all rushing around with the idea of ​​​​universal and as cheap as possible.
    I recently went to the USA in the f-15 EX series. This is a truck with bombs and missiles, no pretensions and will operate in conjunction with other vehicles.
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