About the anti-tank weapons that the UK transferred to Ukraine

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A fighter with an NLAW training complex, photo: wikimedia.org

Speaking on Monday, January 17, in the House of Commons of the British Parliament, Ben Wallace, the current Minister of Defense of Great Britain, said that the country had decided to supply Ukraine with "light anti-tank defensive weapons systems." So the British leadership decided to support Kiev in the light of the "increasingly threatening behavior of Russia."

According to the Ukrainian media, which was officially confirmed by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine on January 19, we are talking about the supply of fairly modern portable anti-tank systems NLAW (Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon). More than a thousand of these anti-tank missiles from the stocks of the British army were apparently transferred to Ukraine. Commercial is the supply or gratuitous is not reported.



The delivery of the complexes to the Borispol airport near Kiev was carried out by military transport aircraft Boeing C-17 Globemaster III of the Royal Air Force. Commenting on the deliveries, Ben Wallace noted that the complexes do not pose a threat to Russia and are intended for self-defense.

British military experts will help the Ukrainian military to master new weapons as part of the ongoing operation ORBITAL (the mission of British military instructors on the territory of Ukraine). The SAAB company notes that the average soldier can be taught to use the complex as part of an hour-long lesson.

What is NLAW?


NLAW is short for Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon. The man-portable anti-tank missile system is a joint Swedish-British development. The design of the complex was carried out in the early 2000s. On the part of Sweden, the military division of the large industrial concern SAAB participated in the development, on the part of the UK, the British branch of the Thales group of companies (Thales Air Defense).

NLAW fighters, photo: www.saab.com

The complex has already received the unofficial nickname "Javelin at the minimum wage" and it is largely justified. This type of weapon is a cross between conventional hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers and anti-tank systems, capable of hitting armored targets at a distance of several kilometers. At the same time, like its older American brother, the British-Swedish complex has a mode of hitting targets in the upper projection (roof of the hull / tower).

The anti-tank complex went into serial production in 2009, it is in service with about ten countries of the world. The main operators are the UK and Sweden. NLAW was also acquired by Finland, Switzerland, Malaysia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and a number of other countries. At the start of production, the British Army's need for new light anti-tank weapons was estimated at 20 units.

At its core, the NLAW is a portable large-caliber single-shot anti-tank grenade launcher. Rocket launch is carried out from the shoulder. With modern anti-tank systems, it is related by a “smart” missile, which allows the fighter to work in the “fire and forget” mode. At the same time, unlike full-fledged anti-tank systems, this is a short-range weapon. The effective range of NLAW does not exceed 800 meters.

According to the developers, NLAW allows you to deal with all modern types of armored targets, as well as unarmored wheeled vehicles, vehicles in caponiers, and enemy firing points. The declared range of the complex, according to the manufacturer, is from 20 to 800 meters. The time from the moment the target is detected to the shot is 5 seconds. The weight of the entire complex is 12,5 kg, length - 1016 mm. The caliber of the head of the missile with a warhead is 150 mm.

Anti-tank complex NLAW in the Swedish version, photo wikimedia.org

The rocket of the complex is equipped with an inertial control system that compensates for the impact of the external environment. At the same time, the shooter received a tool that facilitates shooting at moving targets - PLOS (Predicted Line of Sight) - a predicted line of sight.

The operator of the complex accompanies a moving target, holding it in sight for three seconds, after which it fires a shot. During tracking, the complex equipment activates the missile's inertial system, independently calculating the parameters of the target's movement and predicting the meeting point with it. Thanks to this NLAW operator, there is no need to independently take into account corrections for range, wind and target speed.

Pros and cons of the NLAW anti-tank complex


The pros and cons of the complex are very relative, given that this is a kind of intermediate tool between the simplest RPGs and the best modern anti-tank systems. When compared with the American Javelin complex or Russian Kornets, the NLAW firing range is, of course, small. But the complex was not created to compete with anti-tank systems in their niche. Also, a conditional disadvantage of the complex can be called its disposability and high cost compared to conventional RPGs.

At the same time, the NLAW shelf life, declared by the developer, is 20 years. This is quite sufficient for most modern weapons. If we consider that the first British anti-tank systems were released in 2009, then the Ukrainian military will have about 7 more years in reserve within the declared service life. This is true if the earliest complexes were transferred from the arsenal of the British army, which seems quite logical.

British soldier with NLAW, photo: wikimedia.org

The main advantages of the complex include its compactness and low weight. It is several times lighter than modern anti-tank systems, which increases the mobility of fighters. The complex is suitable for operations in urban areas and areas with difficult terrain. Launches can be made from various points, including the top floors of buildings, basements, ditches, and even from trees. Another advantage is that you can shoot from enclosed spaces, remaining out of sight of enemy armored vehicles. At the same time, shooting is possible even if there are other fighters in the room, according to the website of the developer company.

It is worth noting that in modern combat it is not always possible to detect the ATGM crew in time, in this sense, a single soldier with NLAW, who can be located almost anywhere, poses a serious threat to armored vehicles. Ease of use and portability only enhance this effect.

But, perhaps, the main feature of the NLAW complex is the presence of two modes of hitting a target. Unarmored or lightly armored enemy equipment, as well as enemy troops inside buildings, the complex is able to hit in the DA "Direct Attack" mode, in which the missile flies along the line of sight, and the explosion comes from a contact fuse.

To combat well-armored targets - primarily modern main combat tanks, the OTA (Overfly Top Attack) attack mode is implemented in the complex - hitting the target from above on the span. In this mode, the detonation of the warhead deployed at an angle of 90 degrees occurs at the moment when the missile is above the attacked object. This mode uses the capabilities of optical and magnetic sensors. When detonated from above, the impact core hits the tank in the most vulnerable places - the roof of the hull and turret.

Fighter with NLAW, photo: www.saab.com

In addition, the OTA mode allows the shooter to hit targets located behind shelters, terrain folds, standing in caponiers or in trenches. This feature is already available at a distance of 20 meters, making it ideal for close combat when the tank can be behind cover. At the same time, the operator of the complex does not even have to see the target completely, it is enough that only a small fragment of the tank is visible. The declared armor penetration of 500 mm makes it possible to reliably hit most of the existing MBTs in the upper projection.
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  1. -31
    20 January 2022 04: 51
    "light anti-tank defensive weapon systems".
    and are intended for self-defense.
    Defend yourself from the chantrap in the gateway, yeah! sad
    1. -5
      20 January 2022 07: 06
      Get tired of carrying. Try to wave 12 kilos "stupid"
      1. +38
        20 January 2022 08: 23
        From the "chantrap", yeah ... A modern and dangerous anti-tank system, with a lot of advantages. Russia doesn’t even have such weapons close, but we don’t need it, we’ll shower adversaries with hats and fill up with Calibers with Zircons, and who doesn’t have enough, we’ll add Iskanders, right? Yes
        1. +3
          20 January 2022 10: 57
          Quote: Snail N9
          Modern and dangerous anti-tank systems, with a lot of advantages.

          The Americans had similar weapons ... SRAW! They had such a weapon ... and refused! It turned out to be a little expensive according to the criterion: "cost / efficiency!
          Quote: Snail N9
          Russia doesn't even have a similar weapon

          Well, depending on what to put to the nose! Not in service, but in development it is worth remembering "Autonomy"! It is believed that this is a Russian attempt to create a Javelin, but if you think carefully and carefully, it is more likely to be drawn to a "Panzerfaust" like SRAW, NLAW ...! (I was not the first to "think" about this! The discoverer's laurels belong to another regular visitor to VO! But he convinced me!)
          1. +12
            20 January 2022 20: 24
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: Snail N9
            Modern and dangerous anti-tank systems, with a lot of advantages.

            The Americans had similar weapons ... SRAW! They had such a weapon ... and refused! It turned out to be a little expensive according to the criterion: "cost / efficiency!
            Quote: Snail N9
            Russia doesn't even have a similar weapon

            Well, depending on what to put to the nose! Not in service, but in development it is worth remembering "Autonomy"! It is believed that this is a Russian attempt to create a Javelin, but if you think carefully and carefully, it is more likely to be drawn to a "Panzerfaust" like SRAW, NLAW ...! (I was not the first to "think" about this! The discoverer's laurels belong to another regular visitor to VO! But he convinced me!)


            Well, the fact that our developments and prototypes are unparalleled is not a secret. So, put something away from your nose, and look for presence.

            “It is worth noting that in modern combat it is not always possible to detect the ATGM crew in time, in this sense, a single soldier with NLAW, who can be located almost anywhere, poses a serious threat to armored vehicles. Ease of use and portability only enhance this effect.” - this is also from reality, as well as about the shock core.
        2. +6
          21 January 2022 03: 41
          He has one advantage. In urban areas, it is convenient to fight on the sly. Just right for terrorists.
        3. +2
          22 January 2022 17: 23
          Playing a boatswain with a hangover?
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      2. -7
        20 January 2022 08: 30
        Why carry? We jumped out on an ATV, bang and retreated
        1. +10
          20 January 2022 09: 39
          Why carry? Jumped out on a quad bike
          what? Is the quad bike included? And also disposable? good
          1. -2
            20 January 2022 13: 29
            yes they will find it. The whole world is now collecting weapons and equipment
            1. +1
              21 January 2022 03: 42
              Does not collect, but saves on the disposal of obsolete samples. No need for bureaucracy, searching for licensed recycling companies. Just give all the garbage to the ukram. They will be happy.
          2. +7
            20 January 2022 14: 09
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Why carry? Jumped out on a quad bike
            what? Is the quad bike included? And also disposable? good

            On the cart, dear. Well, yak Nestor Makhno smile
            1. wow
              +3
              20 January 2022 16: 49
              Duc koniv already nemae! You will have to carry on your own.
            2. 0
              21 January 2022 06: 21
              Oo! Tse Garno! Bearded yak - Toyota carts
              1. 0
                3 March 2022 19: 58
                adversary's tongue are you an enemy? joking (although nowadays)
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          4. +4
            20 January 2022 20: 26
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Why carry? Jumped out on a quad bike
            what? Is the quad bike included? And also disposable? good

            Moreover, in the desert of Donbass, there is nowhere for a quadric to hide. And where will they get ATVs, this thing is more technologically advanced than the F-35
          5. 0
            24 January 2022 00: 03
            this is such a small pig.... laughing
      3. +8
        20 January 2022 17: 01
        And how much does "Bumblebee" or "Lynx" weigh? The same 11 ÷ 12 kg.
      4. +27
        20 January 2022 18: 50
        Get tired of carrying. Try to wave 12 kilos "stupid"
        I don’t see a problem, I ran for 3 years with the Pecheneg control panel, which, with a loaded box for 200 rounds, was just around 12 kg and ran out nothing, not counting that I always carried the same box for 200 rounds in reserve. I think for the average "sharavarnik" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will also not be a big problem to carry this pipe. If, judging from the video, they carry LNG-9 in two snouts, and this is 50+ kg for two, then 12 kg will not be a big problem for them.
        1. +15
          20 January 2022 20: 27
          Quote: Alexandr Bogun
          Get tired of carrying. Try to wave 12 kilos "stupid"
          I don’t see a problem, I ran for 3 years with the Pecheneg control panel, which, with a loaded box for 200 rounds, was just around 12 kg and ran out nothing, not counting that I always carried the same box for 200 rounds in reserve. I think for the average "sharavarnik" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will also not be a big problem to carry this pipe. If, judging from the video, they carry LNG-9 in two snouts, and this is 50+ kg for two, then 12 kg will not be a big problem for them.

          It's cool, you whip them in the face with facts, and they give you minuses. 12 kg for us and for them are different values, it seems.
          1. +27
            20 January 2022 20: 49
            And here, as I see it, there is no other way. In order to catch the pluses, you either need to humiliate your opponents without arguing, or simply blindly tear your shirt on yourself.
            I also wrote here under a different text about the same NLAW that KAZs should already be installed so that our boys would not be burned, and not just weld beds a la "and so it will do." So not only the minuses went to me, but also the accusations that I was a “sharavarnik”, served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and these NLAW will not help me.))) Here the audience is specific, very few people are interested in an objective opinion on the topic. You either need to tear your shirt off and then the pros, or into objectivity and then your version with the cons)))
            1. -4
              21 January 2022 16: 04
              Quote: Alexandr Bogun
              And here, as I see it, there is no other way. In order to catch the pluses, you either need to humiliate your opponents without arguing, or simply blindly tear your shirt on yourself.
              I also wrote here under a different text about the same NLAW that KAZs should already be installed so that our boys would not be burned, and not just weld beds a la "and so it will do." So not only the minuses went to me, but also the accusations that I was a “sharavarnik”, served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and these NLAW will not help me.))) Here the audience is specific, very few people are interested in an objective opinion on the topic. You either need to tear your shirt off and then the pros, or into objectivity and then your version with the cons)))

              Just under this post, I see more "blowers" than cheers patriots were noted ... or the Libera slipped through.
              1. +3
                21 January 2022 17: 05
                Just under this post, I see more "blowers" than cheers patriots were noted ... or the Libera slipped through.
                If, in your understanding, to think with your head and analyze rationally the strengths and weaknesses of ours and the enemy is to be a liberal, then it turns out that I am a liberal, although I rather thought that I was a patriot. But you can see.
                1. +4
                  21 January 2022 17: 14
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  Just under this post, I see more "blowers" than cheers patriots were noted ... or the Libera slipped through.
                  If, in your understanding, to think with your head and analyze rationally the strengths and weaknesses of ours and the enemy is to be a liberal, then it turns out that I am a liberal, although I rather thought that I was a patriot. But you can see.

                  I have nothing against you and in many respects I agree that I myself cannot stand jingoists. And I made a conclusion throughout the grid and not just according to your comments.
                  1. +2
                    21 January 2022 17: 26
                    Clearly, you may be right.
              2. 0
                1 March 2022 22: 12
                So it is, here the dominance of bots!
            2. -1
              3 March 2022 19: 59
              cheers for patriots at least 95 percent
        2. 0
          26 January 2022 16: 49
          I am not familiar with Pecheneg. We haven't had this yet.
      5. +2
        21 January 2022 09: 39
        "Take it easy to carry. Try to wave 12 kilograms" fool ""
        PC. with weaving tape, the same 12 kg
      6. 0
        26 January 2022 13: 50
        You can attach a carriage from Maxim. Or a wheelbarrow. Maybe a stretcher. You can carry around by tying threads. The main thing is not to lose it, not to sit on it, not to stand in front of it and, of course, behind it. There is an opportunity to do with him what Baron Munchausen did, only it is difficult to turn him around, the bastard rests.
        1. 0
          26 January 2022 16: 57
          Put on a gun carriage, and after a shot, throw a pipe and a gun carriage? Or leave the carriage, but the DRG is an extra hassle.
          Perhaps order a motor on Aliexpress? Then it's chic: fired on the gun carriage and home
    2. 0
      26 March 2022 04: 39
      One shot - minus three people and equipment. This technique should not fall into dill. As for me, all airports should be destroyed, all caravans should burn. When I see our tanks with flying turrets and armored personnel carriers, I feel such anger and pain ... No one should receive these weapons!
  2. +59
    20 January 2022 05: 05
    An excellent grenade launcher for fighting in urban areas.
    1. +1
      20 January 2022 07: 13
      Mini Javellin means, well, a year after the end of the database in Ukraine, there will be an analysis of the application on the Internet. There we will find out the effectiveness / inefficiency.
    2. +24
      20 January 2022 07: 15
      In the conditions of the city. Yes, but if: "the upper floors of buildings, basements, ditches" for the RDG is a wonderful thing. A group with similar crap can cause a lot of Skoda
      1. Urs
        0
        21 January 2022 14: 10
        However, this contraption is too heavy in the city and disposable for a sabotage group.
        A group of 10-12 fighters trained to fight in urban areas with "flies" 2-3 per snout, they will make so much rustle that mom don't cry (based on experience). So the effectiveness of this pipe in the city is highly questionable. In the field Yes good , on the defensive in prepared positions, for the attacking side this is a big "crap." I also question the effectiveness of using this device on the offensive, dimensions, weight, etc. negative will not go.
        1. 0
          22 January 2022 07: 26
          In conditions of stable defense, it is not very effective, and more serious installations are the most
          1. Urs
            0
            22 January 2022 12: 13
            Oops and stable defense is like request
            Perhaps you meant echeloned wink
            Well, the weapons of destruction of the BT of the first echelon just provide for saturation with mobile anti-tank systems. What we are discussing is what it is. But more "serious" installations, as I understand it, stationary ones, will take place in the second echelon. in a "serious" institution. wink
    3. -12
      20 January 2022 10: 41
      Quote: 72jora72
      An excellent grenade launcher for fighting in urban areas

      And why? Explain your vision of the "excellence" of this faustpatron! If you imagined that the ammunition is capable of "jumping" over city buildings, then you are deeply mistaken!
      1. +10
        20 January 2022 11: 16
        And why? Explain your vision of the "excellence" of this faustpatron!
        If you carefully analyze the use of armored vehicles in modern conflicts (Novorossia, Syria, etc.), then you will answer your own question ........
        PiSi. At one time I saw how up to ten hits from RPGs flew into the "box", and she left the battle on her own .....
        1. -4
          20 January 2022 19: 42
          Again, I didn’t hear how remarkable the NLAW turned out to be for urban combat compared to, for example, the more “old” TOW-2B? Or small-sized loitering ammunition launched from portable installations? Moreover, the NLAW cannot "jump" over a city building, unlike a "kamikaze" drone, for example ... Or it will not be able to do what, for example, a mortar can do!
        2. Urs
          0
          21 January 2022 14: 19
          Well, the fact that the "box" came out on its own after 10 RPG hits only says that the "border" was in the hands of a monkey wassat .And in a modern battle in a city on tanks, this is finally nonsense, so many books have already been written reports and recommendations about armored vehicles in urban areas.
          1. 0
            21 January 2022 14: 25
            .And in a modern battle in a city on tanks, this is finally nonsense, so many books have already been written reports
            Just the war in Syria and the Donbas showed what use of armored vehicles can be in urban areas ....
            1. Urs
              +2
              21 January 2022 14: 38
              That's it MAYBE in cleared areas to control straight streets within visual visibility to destroy firing points.
              Tell the "Budanovo" tankers about the use of BT in urban areas.
              Just on the basis of the battles for Grozny, a tough document was written on the use of BT in urban areas.
      2. +5
        20 January 2022 20: 30
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Quote: 72jora72
        An excellent grenade launcher for fighting in urban areas

        And why? Explain your vision of the "excellence" of this faustpatron! If you imagined that the ammunition is capable of "jumping" over city buildings, then you are deeply mistaken!

        Before this comment, for some reason I seriously read yours left above))))
    4. -3
      20 January 2022 13: 34
      I'm embarrassed to ask .. And what's worse than an RPG ...
      1. +7
        20 January 2022 14: 41
        I'm embarrassed to ask .. And what's worse than an RPG ...
        From an RPG it is problematic to get into the upper projection (top of the tower, hull), NLAW has much faster and more accurate aiming, and so on trifles .....
        1. -4
          20 January 2022 19: 54
          Quote: 72jora72
          From an RPG it is problematic to get into the upper projection (top of the tower, hull)

          For now, yes ...! But somehow the issue of developing SPB (self-aiming ammunition) for the RPG-7 was considered! I don’t know why this idea was abandoned, although nothing was said about the fundamental impossibility of doing this! RPG-7 is a more versatile and multi-purpose weapon, moreover, it still has the potential for further development compared to NLAW!
        2. Urs
          0
          21 January 2022 14: 24
          Oops, I didn’t cut it, what’s the problem. Getting into the roof of the tower or the roof of the MTO from the “border” from the second floor, that’s the problem request .In the field, of course, yes, it’s a problem. But there is a running board and a lot of other places and points, a poster in the training of grenade launchers fellow Funny pictures.
      2. +5
        21 January 2022 00: 41
        Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
        I'm embarrassed to ask .. And what's worse than an RPG ...

        Than an RPG grenade is worse than a homing missile. Was it sarcasm or an echo of the diagnosis?
    5. -7
      20 January 2022 13: 44
      An excellent grenade launcher for fighting in urban areas

      In the city, the infantry shoots at short distances - the "Bumblebee" flamethrower will be more optimal.
      1. +14
        20 January 2022 14: 44
        In the city, the infantry shoots at short distances - the "Bumblebee" flamethrower will be more optimal.
        And you will destroy a lot of tanks with a bumblebee ??
        1. Urs
          -2
          21 January 2022 14: 29
          And you smile
          "Bumblebee" one of the points of application provides for the destruction of armored vehicles, again I will send grenade launchers to training.
  3. +23
    20 January 2022 05: 34
    12,5 kg is not such a light thing. Although for defense, when it just lies nearby, it’s probably quite acceptable.
    I just watched a video of how the Swedes are praising her, well, just a child prodigy.
    Offhand, I could not even figure out how to simply and quickly deceive or fight back.
    If all XNUMX such dills are sent to the trenches, I don't envy the Donetsk/Luhansk ones.
    1. +13
      20 January 2022 11: 39
      As for fighting back, there is only one hope - KAZ, as for me. And then I don't know if it will work up. It remains only not to stick your head out of the tank and hope that the armor will save you, if suddenly something happens. And for the rest, shoot from the cannons immediately to where the shot was noticed, in order to send the entire floor and two neighboring ones for demolition, in order to guarantee the destruction of the calculation. To make it clear to every such calculation that this shot, most likely, will be the last in their life.
      But if we want absolutely no losses, then there is only intelligence and bribery. Find out how many of these pieces, where, from whom, send DRGs to hunt for those who are not in positions, shoot from helicopters with NARs (together with the building) those who are already in place ...
      But all this requires dashing cooperation of troops, quick reaction at all levels and well-trained special forces. Well... the same requirements as for any other situation, in general :)
      1. +3
        20 January 2022 16: 47
        This ATGM can also be used against low-flying helicopters, the effectiveness will be high. And the armor of the roof of the tanks will definitely not save the crew from breaking through the impact core, it breaks through 500 mm + dynamic protection.
    2. -8
      20 January 2022 19: 53
      Donetsk will be given Tosochki and Solntsepeki.
      And then you can’t even lure Ukrainians to the front with a goblet of lard.
      1. +2
        21 January 2022 05: 33
        Quote: Konstantin Sokov
        Donetsk will be given Tosochki and Solntsepeki.
        And then you can’t even lure Ukrainians to the front with a goblet of lard.

        Well, the Syrians have both Tosochki and Gorynychi and a lot of other things, so what? They couldn’t even smoke them out of the desert, but in dense buildings, they didn’t at all. The same Donetsk airport has not yet been taken.
  4. +10
    20 January 2022 05: 37
    What a vicious bastard....
  5. -5
    20 January 2022 05: 51
    During tracking, the complex equipment activates the missile's inertial system, independently calculating the parameters of the target's movement and predicting the meeting point with it. B

    Not strong in this topic, so the question
    And if the tank changed the trajectory of movement, or completely stopped. What will the rocket do?
    1. +14
      20 January 2022 05: 56
      Quote: Seryoga64
      During tracking, the complex equipment activates the missile's inertial system, independently calculating the parameters of the target's movement and predicting the meeting point with it. B

      Not strong in this topic, so the question
      And if the tank changed the trajectory of movement, or completely stopped. What will the rocket do?

      think.
      1. -1
        20 January 2022 06: 10
        Quote: Aerodrome
        think.

        And for how long? laughing
      2. +28
        20 January 2022 06: 57
        Maximum range 800 meters, maximum flight time 5 sec. Will the tank be able to radically change direction in 5 seconds?
        1. -2
          20 January 2022 11: 08
          Quote: YOUR
          Maximum range 800 meters

          800 meters is more of a "advertising move"! It will fly by ... but is it guaranteed to hit? The "analog" NLAW of the US SRAW was going to be used at a distance of 400-700 m ... I think that it will be realistic (effective) at a distance of 400-500 m ... ("Autonomy" -350 m)
          1. +10
            20 January 2022 11: 19
            Like an RPG-7. The aiming range is 700 m, but they shoot at a maximum of 500, and then with a low probability of hitting. Or AK sighting bar up to 1000, but the main shooting is no further than 400 m.
            But this is such a distraction from the topic. The question was what would happen if the tank turned away, you might think the tank is capable of making an anti-missile maneuver.
            1. -1
              20 January 2022 12: 17
              Quote: YOUR
              what happens if the tank turns away, you might think the tank is capable of making an anti-missile maneuver.

              The bottom line is that the movement of the tank (control ...) is pretty inertial! But "theoretically" one can imagine a "picture" when the driver (tank commander) while moving, noticing the launch of NLAW at the beginning of the "process" and at the maximum distance, slows down sharply ... For a tank "in a trench" there is probably no chance ... Unless the COP (or UYA) hit the "non-critical" part of the armored vehicles ... Also, the protection of the "roof" of the tank (the upper part of the turret ...) of the anti-cumulative remote sensing (if, nevertheless, the NLAW warhead is cumulative ...) or spaced protection (screen, "visor ...) with EFP-charge!
              1. +5
                20 January 2022 12: 58
                All this is nothing more than a theory. Seeing the flash of a shot, the maximum that will have time to do it is to shout a grenade.
                1. -2
                  20 January 2022 13: 09
                  Quote: YOUR
                  All this is nothing more than a theory. Seeing the flash of a shot, the maximum that will have time to do it is to shout a grenade.

                  Seeing the flash of a shot, the driver will sharply "slow down"!
                  1. +3
                    20 January 2022 13: 34
                    So what? A rocket flying over a tank will complete its task. The tank will not bounce to the side. And he will see the fur only if the shooter sits right in front of him.
                    1. +2
                      20 January 2022 13: 51
                      Well, at least you can quickly use the "aerosol smoke" hiding the tank. Well, move 1 body or slow down, and after shooting the checkers, why not.
                      1. +4
                        20 January 2022 14: 03
                        And all this can be done in 3-5 seconds.
                      2. +1
                        20 January 2022 14: 04
                        This requires automatic means of tracking these launches ...
                      3. +3
                        20 January 2022 14: 16
                        All this is fantasy. A tank of only defense systems will carry such an amount that it will look like a land whale.
                      4. +2
                        20 January 2022 14: 48
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Well, move to 1 building

                        To the side?
                        If the shot is on the course, then at least slow down, at least accelerate, it will not help.
                        And if on the side, then yes, but how to notice it?
                        Lucky only if the tank accidentally decided to turn just at the moment of the shot.
                      5. 0
                        20 January 2022 14: 59
                        If the shot is on the course, then at least slow down, at least accelerate, it will not help.
                        And if on the side, then yes, but how to notice it?

                        But doesn’t he attack from a dive into the upper hemisphere?
                      6. 0
                        20 January 2022 15: 11
                        Quote: alexmach
                        But doesn’t he attack from a dive into the upper hemisphere?

                        No.
                        It simply flies in a straight line in the direction of the target or lead point in excess of 1-2 meters and explodes without contact.
                      7. +2
                        20 January 2022 19: 02
                        Well, at least you can quickly use the "aerosol smoke" hiding the tank.
                        It doesn’t work out with smoke, when it captures the target, it follows the signature of the tank, and when it flies over it, it detonates already by magnetic radiation from the metal of the tank itself. Therefore, smoke will not help if he walked along a laser beam controlled by an ATGM operator, and in this case a grenade launcher, then yes ... and so it turns out a situation similar to Jevelin, if in these 5 seconds of a rocket flight there is no obstacle between the tank and the rocket in the form of a wall of a building or a large tree, that's all, minus the crew and MBT. The only sensible option is to put KAZ on equipment, but no one will spend that kind of money on the crew ... at most they will weld another bed on the roof and say "it will help")
                      8. +1
                        20 January 2022 19: 53
                        when she captured the target, she goes for the signature of the tank

                        For what else such "signature". What kind of "signature" is this, which the smoke during the flight of the ammunition does not hide?
                      9. +2
                        20 January 2022 20: 19
                        For what else such "signature". What kind of "signature" is this, which the smoke during the flight of the ammunition does not hide?
                        this refers to the sight of equipment while aiming a grenade launcher at this equipment. After that, if the object is in motion, then the equipment in the rocket itself records the speed and course of the object, after which the launch is performed and in the event of a change in speed or route, the rocket turns. You will not have time to see the launch, change the route of movement and also release smoke, and all in 5 seconds. If you roughly imagine how a tank moves in battle, then it either drives at the highest possible speed to overcome the danger zone and at the same time it will not be able to quickly notice the missile launch, brake, change course and shoot smoke (this is not realistic even in theory ). If he moves slowly in order to be able to conduct aimed fire, then he will get almost the same thing, he will be able (in theory) to see the launch of the rocket and even be able to become, in theory, even the smoke will be shot. But the result will be deplorable, he will not be able to make a sharp maneuver, but only has time to become, and the smoke will not knock the rocket off the target, since after launch it does not need an operator who must guide the rocket and visually observe. The rocket will still be in the right place above the tank and will detonate on the magnetic reflection from the tank.
                      10. 0
                        20 January 2022 22: 03
                        After that, if the object is in motion, then the equipment in the rocket itself records the speed and course of the object, after which the launch is performed and in the event of a change in speed or route, the rocket turns.

                        Well, how will she do it if the object is hidden by smoke? How will it detect the change in speed then that?

                        I must apologize, of course, I first entered into controversy and then only carefully re-read in the article exactly how this rocket is induced :). They write only about the inertial system, that is, the rocket flies to a given calculated point, there is no question of any "signature" memorized by the rocket.
                      11. +1
                        20 January 2022 22: 51
                        Well, how will she do it if the object is hidden by smoke? How will it detect the change in speed then that?
                        My friend, I am not a designer or operator of this product. I'm just saying what I read about him. It seems to me that the guidance head should have some kind of decent processor and sensors that calculate its place based on the stop and speed of the object. Moreover, you need to remember that speaking about smokes, you won’t be able to shoot them instantly as soon as the rocket left the container, if it’s the mechanic who notices the rocket and he immediately hits the brakes and somehow starts shooting the checkers right away, then everything will take 3 seconds, for this time, neither the smoke will have time to disperse to directly hide the tank, nor radically change the position. If the tank stops right away for, say, the second of the five seconds of the rocket’s flight, then 3 seconds is not enough either to change position or to trigger the smoke normally, and the rocket will just have time to steer, because if the tank stopped in the second second after launch, then this is approximately only 30% of the missile's flight path to the target and it has plenty of time to adjust. If the stop goes for 4 seconds of flight, then there’s no need to talk about any smoke, and the tank itself will, in fact, already be at the point at which it should have been when the rocket was launched. Only KAZ is common and that's it, otherwise these theoretical versions of ours are a pitchfork on the water)))
                      12. 0
                        20 January 2022 23: 00
                        It seems to me that in the guidance head there should be some kind of decent processor and sensors that calculate its place based on the stop and speed of the object

                        In my opinion, here you came up with abilities for him that he does not have. You are already describing a full-fledged third-generation ATGM, like Javelin-Spike. This one seems to be faster.
                        Judging by what is written in the article and from the photographs.
                        Once again, it is guided by an inertial system, along a pre-calculated trajectory, which does not change in flight. In any case, this is what I concluded from what I wrote.
                        3 seconds is not long enough to either change position or trigger normal smokes

                        Come on .. For a system like Curtains, 3 seconds is just more than.
                      13. +1
                        20 January 2022 23: 20
                        In my opinion, here you came up with abilities for him that he does not have. You are already describing a full-fledged third-generation ATGM, like Javelin-Spike. This one seems to be faster.
                        Judging by what is written in the article and from the photographs.
                        Once again, it is guided by an inertial system, along a pre-calculated trajectory, which does not change in flight. In any case, this is what I concluded from what I wrote.
                        She invented something exactly and before, otherwise I myself will not understand exactly the system of its action. But the fact that he corrects his flight in flight is a fact, it is written that he can turn on the scale of the sight. In theory, if you shoot not at a target that is not moving fast, but let's say at some kind of passenger car that drives along a good road, at high speed and at the same time has decent space for sharp braking and maneuvering, then it may have a real chance "to somehow manage to make maneuver or overcome the zone in which the missile can maneuver.But again, this is more of a mathematical-theoretical theory.In this theory, you need to understand the exact speed of the rocket, the object at which the shot is fired and what is the necessary maneuver and at what stage it should be performed to leave the zone missile maneuvering. This is even ridiculous to discuss in general.)
                        Come on .. For a system like Curtains, 3 seconds is just more than.
                        Well, the fact that the "Curtain" can work in 3 seconds is possible. But the fact that in 3 seconds she will have time to work and spray in order to have time to still and normally hide an object the size of a Tank? Here you already attribute beyond the possibility, but already to "Shtora")))
                      14. +1
                        22 January 2022 14: 18
                        Since it is said that the rocket is guided using an inertial and not optics, it means that it will not work to set the coordinates without a laser rangefinder. The only difference with conventional ATGMs is that it is not required to hold the laser on the target. The laser simply sets the coordinates of the target, including the moving one, and then the rocket flies using an inertial.
                        But then it will not work well against tanks that are equipped with a laser irradiation sensor system. And the question arises about the quality of the inertial. A good and such a compact inertial oh how expensive it is. That is, the further the accuracy will degrade. Will it be much better than a conventional grenade launcher with an effective range of 200 meters.
                      15. -2
                        24 January 2022 18: 07
                        a laser inertial is worth nothing. like an invention of the 80s? and in terms of accuracy it is sufficient even for civilian aircraft, which FIG knows how long they fly ... and here it’s only 800m
                      16. 0
                        24 January 2022 18: 17
                        If we are talking about a laser inertial, then it costs drop dead money and will not fit in size. In terms of accuracy, it makes any gyroscope. If it’s about a laser rangefinder, then it’s certainly cheaper, but on the one hand, it’s disposable, and on the other hand, accuracy is +/- 10 cm.
                      17. -1
                        25 January 2022 04: 41
                        from $30 to $1000 per amazon.som piece. can be found cheaper
                      18. 0
                        25 January 2022 07: 47
                        it's not laser.
                      19. -1
                        25 January 2022 22: 34
                        a laser inertial is a laser gyroscope plus a small module for calculating errors. maybe 3cm to 3cm size.
                        however, there is nothing to argue about as long as nlaw is not possible to parse.
                      20. 0
                        26 January 2022 09: 39
                        I can bet that there is definitely no laser gyroscope there. Ordinary accelerometers from $30 to $1000 per amazon.som piece.
                      21. 0
                        24 January 2022 18: 03
                        there is no signature in nlaw. there is a banal magnetic sensor. the ammunition explodes as soon as the magnetic field from the piece of iron begins to decrease. and the shaped charge looks slightly back. this is a classic - did the British seem to do it in 44 for air defense? only there is shrapnel, but here it’s a little easier - you can predict that the tank will be below.
                    2. +1
                      20 January 2022 18: 15
                      Quote: YOUR
                      A rocket flying over a tank will complete its task

                      Like "so what"? NLAW, when the tank is moving, works out the lead point (!) ... based on the constant movement of the vehicle! And then ... the tank stood up abruptly! From what roll must the ammunition fly over the tank? stop
                      Quote: YOUR
                      And he will see the fur only if the shooter sits right in front of him.

                      It is not necessary for the driver to see the "flash"! Here we are talking about the coordination of actions of members of the tank crew! The tank commander can also command: "stop!"; and the driver must unquestioningly execute the command this very second! Maybe the tank of the platoon commander, company! If the command order and its priority are defined, then the driver will also respond to other priority commands!
        2. +5
          20 January 2022 12: 55
          it's not just an rpg. there is a smart guidance system. there is a lot of video on how they shoot at targets moving in a perpendicular direction at the training ground and tell the principle of operation. first, the operator holds the crosshair on the target for several seconds, the system calculates the lead point, and after launch, the missile turns to this place. this is not homing, but if the tank has not changed direction in these few seconds, the missile meets it. magnetic fuse. for soft targets there is a direct hit mode
        3. -1
          21 January 2022 07: 11
          Quote: YOUR
          Will the tank be able to radically change direction in 5 seconds?

          At a speed of 10 km / h, the tank will cover 5 m in 14 seconds.
          Do you seriously think that 14 meters is not enough for a sudden stop, acceleration or turn?
          The question was not about the detection by the crew and the anti-ATGM maneuver - the question was - about the behavior (conditionally!) Of the missile - if the driver accelerates or slows down .....
          1. +2
            21 January 2022 08: 26
            I do not think, I know.
            1. -2
              21 January 2022 10: 27
              Quote: YOUR
              I do not think, I know.

              The missile flies to the ESTIMATED point - any displacement of the target will eliminate this point.
              And yes - there is not a word about a rangefinder. It is one thing a tank traveling at 800 m and another at 100. To calculate the meeting point without a distance, there is no way
              1. +2
                21 January 2022 11: 08
                And what about the RPG-7, RPG ........ 32. how are they with an offset of 14 meters to any point?
                Or are such shortcomings only in the weapon in question?
                1. -1
                  21 January 2022 11: 17
                  Quote: YOUR
                  And what about the RPG-7, RPG ........ 32. how are they with an offset of 14 meters to any point?
                  Or are such shortcomings only in the weapon in question?

                  No, naturally...
                  But the cost of RPGs is much lower, which allows you to arm a much larger number of people.
                  10 RPG grenades or 1 core will arrive - what will make the crew die sooner? Fig knows...
                  If they cost like 2-3-5 RPGs, there would be no questions ...
                  1. +3
                    21 January 2022 12: 19
                    Where can 10 RPGs come from if there is one grenade launcher in the squad.
                    And what's the point with RPGs if only a maximum of side armor can penetrate?
                    As for the cost, why count money in other people's pockets. Unfortunately, they can afford expensive weapons. We are not.
                    1. 0
                      21 January 2022 12: 36
                      Quote: YOUR
                      why count money in other people's pockets.
                      I don’t give a damn about their money - our army interests me. So that at a reasonable cost - our efficiency grows
                      1. +2
                        21 January 2022 12: 45
                        Yes? I thought that we are now discussing the effectiveness of the NLAW (Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon) anti-tank systems, which the arrogant people are transferring to Ukraine
                    2. Urs
                      0
                      21 January 2022 15: 10
                      Complete nonsense, you don’t understand what you are talking about, the task of the grenade launcher is to destroy the car, and for this there are a lot of places to hit so that (well, the training of grenade launchers, well, why didn’t anyone serve in the army request ) car1. immobilize (getting into the walker), which will subsequently cause complete destruction, 2 set fire to (cause a fire in the MTO), which will cause the death of the crew. For this, the sides and the walker are more than enough. 20 few wassat
                      1. +1
                        21 January 2022 15: 20
                        I just understand what I'm talking about, but some of my opponents fantasize too childishly. And the tank will slow down, but it will go faster, and so on. Install detection equipment, hang KAZ ..........
                        Kindergarten.
                      2. 0
                        22 January 2022 20: 49
                        Quote: YOUR
                        And the tank will slow down, but it will go faster, and so on.

                        Nene-tank will drive at a strictly fixed speed, otherwise
                        Quote: YOUR
                        NLAW (Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon)
                        offended - that he did not get ......
                        It is designed for a smooth asphalted landfill and without gusts of wind. I generally keep quiet about the features of driving a particular driver ....
                      3. +1
                        23 January 2022 12: 22
                        Do not tell me how to shoot from an RPG? Point blank?
                  2. 0
                    24 January 2022 18: 10
                    that is, getting an RPG into a moving target is fantastic?
              2. 0
                22 January 2022 14: 23
                No laser rangefinder. Most likely it is he who sets the direction and distance.
                It’s even scary to imagine how much this pleasure costs. Laser plus inertial and everything is disposable.
              3. +1
                23 January 2022 12: 21
                I wonder if at least once you fired from a grenade launcher, from a two-barrel gun?
                1. 0
                  23 January 2022 20: 36
                  Quote: YOUR
                  I wonder if at least once you fired from a grenade launcher, from a two-barrel gun?

                  You just gave a great example - if hunters with in the head much more powerful ballistic computers - every time they hit - then the game would have been gone a long time ago. And this game is not able to stop in flight and die - physically.
                  I repeat - if everything would be so simple and would guarantee a hit - no one would be messing around with much more complex ATGMs like Javeleni
                  1. +1
                    24 January 2022 08: 28
                    Those. you have no idea what optical devices are, a grid on them. You definitely need a laser rangefinder, a ballistic computer. Alas, for example, in RPGs of all kinds this is not the case. The main range measuring instrument is the human eye, optics and reticle. And the ballistic computer is again the human eye, optics and a grid on it.
                    What are all these Javelins and other ATGMs for, and in order to reliably destroy military equipment at long distances, and if they have already broken through, then various grenade launchers enter the battle.
              4. ada
                0
                26 January 2022 01: 09
                You are right, probably an optical sight with a rangefinder scale (scales) according to the projections of the target, the aiming order is most likely given in a truncated form. Rocket speeds at 1/2 -3/4 Dmax are not given, how many seconds of engine operation are not indicated. How does it keep the height for the effectiveness of the impact core at angles of elevation of the target that are different from the given horizon - only the IS is fixed? There are many questions. Warhead unidirectional? At what errors will there be low efficiency, in what angles and planes? There is nothing to talk about without documents.
    2. +9
      20 January 2022 06: 08
      The tank will not have time to sweep the trajectory, since the rocket is very fast and flies its maximum flight distance in less than 3 seconds
      1. -3
        20 January 2022 06: 21
        Quote from Naranek
        The tank will not have time to sweep the trajectory, since the rocket is very fast and flies its maximum flight distance in less than 3 seconds

        800 meters in three seconds?
        Actually, I mean random shifting and braking
        1. +7
          20 January 2022 06: 44
          There, about 400 m in 2 seconds.
          I think with his optics this is the maximum. I wrote below that emergency braking is the only option. it all depends on the speed of the tank. Dodge will not work, little time.
          In general, the problem is that the shot from this ATGM is extremely secretive. They won't see you in the tank.
          1. 0
            22 January 2022 14: 27
            If the tank is equipped with a laser irradiation sensor, they will see it.
            The range of this grenade launcher is clearly not determined by eye.
        2. +4
          20 January 2022 12: 35
          The article says clearly 5 seconds. Rocket speed - 160 m / s
          If we calculate that the cost is 3 seconds, then the speed increases to 266 m / s, which is quite acceptable for such projectiles.
    3. +1
      20 January 2022 06: 18
      It will fly by.
      1. +3
        20 January 2022 06: 37
        And suppose, in the Urals, tented from the flank? In the engine, or will the awning fly through? Is there a temperature guide? He himself served in air defense, he is not strong in this matter.
        1. +9
          20 January 2022 07: 02
          Quote: ASAD
          for example, in the Urals tented from the flank? In the engine, or will the awning fly through? Is there a temperature guide?

          There is no temperature guidance. Therefore, it doesn’t matter - a tank, a Ural, a pillbox, a window in the house .... The trajectory and fuse mode are switched - excess and optics + magnet against the tank, or pointing exactly at the target and contact in other cases.
          1. 0
            20 January 2022 08: 11
            Thanks for the information.
          2. -1
            24 January 2022 18: 14
            the optics most likely keep the ammunition at a height of 3 meters to the ground, and the magnet is a classic proximity fuse.
      2. -5
        20 January 2022 06: 50
        Quote: Old Tankman
        Will fly by

        Well, that's what I thought, but I figured I'd clarify just in case.
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          1. +2
            20 January 2022 07: 34
            I agree it won't fly. The fact is that if it flies by, the magnetic and optical sensors will work there and the impact core will fire. In general, it is interesting how far it shoots.
            1. +2
              20 January 2022 18: 47
              Due to the high speed and short flight time, it may not have time to react. Since during the flank movement of the target, the rocket moves to the calculated meeting point, and the target will not be there due to the stop.
      3. -3
        20 January 2022 07: 33
        Quote: Old Tanker
        It will fly by.

        No, it won't fly.
        Moreover, she doesn’t need to hit the tank exactly, she explodes 1-1,5 meters from the tank.
        1. +1
          20 January 2022 12: 21
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Moreover, she doesn’t need to hit the tank exactly, she explodes 1-1,5 meters from the tank.

          The impact core is quite small. Where it gets ... it must fall into a vulnerable spot. The tank passes 2 meters in 15 seconds along the intersection. It will simply start to go around the obstacle - there must be a miss. Or slow down.
    4. -1
      20 January 2022 06: 56
      Does the fig know her? I like "bagpipes" as they say: "dark forest"
    5. +3
      20 January 2022 09: 23
      Quote: Seryoga64
      rocket inertial system,

      The spatial orientation system of an object using "inertia": an accelerometer and a gyroscope, i.e. automatic control of the aircraft in roll, yaw and pitch. It is also used in ballistic missiles.
      There is another flying object control system - TERKOM, when an object moves along a map of the area embedded in the device, for example, a similar system is used in the famous Tomahawks ....
      1. -3
        20 January 2022 09: 34
        Quote: bistrov.
        i.e. automatic control of the aircraft in roll, yaw and pitch. Also used in ballistic missiles

        Well, I'm familiar with this. Gyro Command
      2. +2
        20 January 2022 14: 04
        "There is another flying object control system - TERKOM, when an object moves on a map of the area"
        Gravity field map
  6. +3
    20 January 2022 05: 55
    the minimum range is 20 meters, but it won’t cover its own? I'm not mad, I'm just asking
    1. +9
      20 January 2022 06: 19
      Well, if you stand and stare in full growth, then maybe. But rather catch a bullet.
    2. +8
      20 January 2022 06: 26
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      but will not cover his own?

      Will cover. We once had a certain urban madman shoot an RPG at the school wall from 30 meters. So shell-shocked on the spot and taken laughing
  7. +22
    20 January 2022 06: 02
    As "outdated weapons" were written in the news, of course everyone would be so outdated. "Javelin at minimum" does not make a slide like a classic dart, but is implemented on the principle of "impact core" like the American TOU-2B. In short, an interesting thing.
    1. +15
      20 January 2022 07: 02
      "outdated" - from which side to look.
      Probably the reporters decided: designed in 2009 therefore junk
    2. +4
      20 January 2022 07: 57
      As I understand it, there the warhead is not tandem, but quite powerful. DZ on the roof will withstand?
      And the approach is classic, along a flat trajectory, which means that in the presence of Active Protection, all Arenas should shoot down such a missile.
      And in local conflicts, the main defense of equipment is not armor, but tactics! Tanks usually do not stand and do not drive under enemy fire, but are used as snipers: first, reconnaissance of the target by infantry, then issuance of target designation, the tank quickly moves into position, hits the target and immediately dumps! If there are many targets, artillery covers them!
      1. -1
        20 January 2022 13: 06
        Dz will withstand, another thing is that there may well be two impact cores on the rocket, just to overcome the DZ.
      2. Urs
        0
        21 January 2022 16: 00
        Well, finally I see a sound judgment and there is knowledge of the use of bt and pts drinks
    3. +6
      20 January 2022 08: 15
      Quote: Alex_You
      As "outdated weapons" were written in the news, of course everyone would be so outdated. "Javelin at minimum" does not make a slide like a classic dart, but is implemented on the principle of "impact core" like the American TOU-2B. In short, an interesting thing.

      If memory serves, then the Britons bought several hundred pre-production ones in 2002 before the invasion of Iraq, they were very strained by a bunch, albeit rubbish, but still Saddam's equipment. Today, they are about to run out of storage, unless of course they were shot for 20 years in battles and exercises. It is for this reason that some especially “smart” military bloggers “pay_tsriots” began to write about the supply of scrap, but the supply is clearly larger than the first purchases, if there is anything left of them ...
      1. 0
        20 January 2022 12: 59
        It is unlikely that the Britons have had it in service since 2009, and besides these guns, they had something to calm down Saddam's tanks.
        1. +1
          20 January 2022 13: 54
          Quote: Alex_You
          It is unlikely that the Britons have had it in service since 2009, and besides these guns, they had something to calm down Saddam's tanks.

          I don’t remember exactly the number purchased in 2002, although I found it, but the fact of the purchase was.
          Here is a photo - clearly shaved from the early 00s (rifles, camouflage and armor were different in 2009). The fighter on the far right, an anti-tank system is attached to the backpack, at first I thought SRAW (which is strange, they were only in the ILC, even the American National Guard and landmen did not have them), but then I started looking and realized that it was NLAW.

          And yes, the Swedes bought a batch in 2007, in my opinion, and the Finns made the first order in 2008 ...
  8. +12
    20 January 2022 06: 04
    as usual, the British and Swedes help the Nazis
    1. +8
      20 January 2022 07: 00
      Quote: Charik
      as usual, the British and Swedes help the Nazis

      Sometimes it is not clear why gas carriers carry Russian gas to GB. And, sometimes, it is completely clear why the Russian oligarchs have chosen London ... Or is it theirs? recourse
      1. +3
        20 January 2022 07: 19
        not only in GB, also in yusa
      2. +7
        20 January 2022 09: 44
        Sometimes it is not clear why gas carriers carry Russian gas to GB
        business does not care about nationality and ideology. "just business! Nothing personal"
        1. +7
          20 January 2022 14: 49
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Sometimes it is not clear why gas carriers carry Russian gas to GB
          business does not care about nationality and ideology. "just business! Nothing personal"

          Greetings!
          hi
          This phrase is erroneously attributed to Marx. This quote is from Thomas Dunning.
          I remember it for the rest of my life, because at one time, thanks to this knowledge, I passed the test, which I failed)))
          1. +2
            20 January 2022 14: 50
            This phrase is erroneously attributed to Marx. This quote is from Thomas Dunning.
            Thank you! I know hi But who knows Dunning but who doesn't know Marx? drinks
            And yes, Marx made her a meme, so to speak. feel (as it is now fashionable to say)
        2. 0
          20 January 2022 21: 00
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          business does not care about nationality and ideology. "just business! Nothing personal"
          At the border they detained a young guy carrying enriched uranium in shorts...
          - I was paid $1 - so I agreed.
          - You won't have children!
          - Nothing even my grandchildren enough to live...
          wassat
      3. +3
        20 January 2022 16: 23

        Sometimes it is not clear how, after 30 years of capitalism, one can be surprised at the natural course of events...
  9. +8
    20 January 2022 06: 15
    In general, anti-tank systems are very interesting and dangerous. The impact core and into the upper hemisphere, this is modern.
    The most interesting thing is that in order to dodge tanks from this complex, it is enough to stop, but, this is in theory and not everyone under fire will be able to do this ...
    1. +6
      20 January 2022 07: 29
      Quote from Naranek
      to dodge tanks from this complex, it’s enough to stop

      Not even in theory.
      Only if you were driving fast, they shoot at you strictly from the side and from the maximum range. And you immediately noticed the shot. You will have 5 seconds to maneuver.
      In any other case, the rocket will fly over the tank and hit the roof.
    2. +2
      20 January 2022 15: 34
      Two modes - an impact core from above and a standard cumulative in the forehead imply either a complex warhead design, or two of them.
      That is, this is a compromise and universalization, which means that penetration into the forehead will not be very good. There, the entire installation is 12 kg, and Tou only has a warhead of 6 kilograms, and even then it doesn’t always take tanks in the forehead.
      1. +2
        20 January 2022 21: 01
        There are no complex warheads there. Everything is standard - one warhead deployed with a funnel down. Those. in the forehead "penetration" is purely high-explosive. Yes, and where the author got 500 mm of armor penetration is a mystery. There is a public video about the confident penetration of a remote sensing device of the Contact5 type + 70 mm homogenous + three millimeter screens. Which is quite normal for a UYa-type warhead. And 500 mm for UYa is fantastic.
  10. AAC
    -8
    20 January 2022 06: 26
    I think very quickly they will be on the black market.
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 08: 44
      I think that the owners have drawn conclusions and now you can’t drag them to the market just like that. They will control.
  11. -3
    20 January 2022 06: 56
    Commenting on the deliveries, Ben Wallace noted that the complexes do not pose a threat to Russia and are intended for self-defense.

    Look, what a concern ... Has the "grater" with Northern Ireland been quiet for a long time? And if Russia throws something there in self-defense? Fucked to the core!!!
    It hangs here:

    And they spit against the wind...
    1. +4
      20 January 2022 07: 06
      It's been quiet there for a long time. Since the Catholics have been the majority in Ulster.
      1. +1
        20 January 2022 07: 33
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It's been quiet there for a long time.

        Yes, I know... A photo from 2019... But, you know, any "bonfire" can be kindled if you periodically throw sticks into it... Why does GB like to do this with "Russian fires" so much?
  12. +9
    20 January 2022 07: 04
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    "light anti-tank defensive weapon systems".
    and are intended for self-defense.
    Defend yourself from the chantrap in the gateway, yeah! sad

    Not from shantrapa, but from urryakles from the sofa. Do not underestimate the enemy and his technique
  13. Two
    +4
    20 January 2022 07: 08
    It sucks! Especially if it's free.
  14. +9
    20 January 2022 07: 47
    This is a serious weapon ... especially in the hands of the RDG and those who are defending themselves. And as for the weight of the system, I think the one who served knows about forced marches with a weight of 25-30 kg on the back .. for trained fighters, 12,5 kg on the back is not a problem
  15. -31
    20 January 2022 08: 06
    In short, the British sold unnecessary blanks to the Ukrainians, which will soon expire, and they slap new ones on themselves. The tank will move forward after there is no one in the enemy trenches. At a distance of 800 meters, the trenches will be shot through and it will not be possible to quickly pull out a fool of 12 kg in weight, and even hold it for 3 seconds. For a local war with a weak enemy, it will do, but against a strong one, neither this, nor Jevelin, nor grenade launchers will do anything.
    1. +3
      20 January 2022 16: 58
      A very effective and dangerous melee weapon and at medium distances against armored vehicles and low-flying helicopters. And who said that units with these anti-tank systems in the trenches will sit and not drive the same Buggy, setting up ambushes for columns of equipment. And learn to handle this ATGM easily and quickly.
      1. -1
        20 January 2022 17: 28
        sorry. have you tested it in real combat conditions?
        1. +2
          20 January 2022 19: 19
          And how will real combat conditions affect its performance characteristics?
      2. -2
        21 January 2022 07: 20
        Quote: Vadim237
        . And who said that units with these anti-tank systems in the trenches will sit and not drive the same Buggy, setting up ambushes for columns of equipment

        You would watch less videos from the deserts ...
        In our middle lane in the back of the Urals, the conscripts were sick to the bone when driving more or less distances ...
        1. +1
          21 January 2022 17: 00
          These are conscripts - and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have mercenaries whom the West will bring there in thousands in case of something - from all over the world.
          1. 0
            21 January 2022 19: 33
            Quote: Vadim237
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine will be mercenaries whom the West will bring there by the thousands in case something happens - from all over the world.

            Oh .... and country 404 will find loot - to pay for mercenaries .... they are very unlikely to fight for hryvnia ...
    2. +3
      20 January 2022 17: 14
      unnecessary blanks that will soon expire
      .. I'm embarrassed to ask - did you read the news carefully (if you read it at all?
      At the same time, the NLAW shelf life, declared by the developer, is 20 years. This is quite sufficient for most modern weapons. If we consider that the first British anti-tank systems were released in 2009, then the Ukrainian military will have about 7 more years in reserve within the declared service life. This is true if the earliest complexes were transferred from the arsenal of the British army, which seems quite logical.
      maybe before you "throw caps into the air" in a jingoistic frenzy, will you try to understand the meaning?
  16. +4
    20 January 2022 08: 29
    Such a complex in the line would not interfere. And if the sight is "taught" to work on stationary targets and not thermal ones. Make it easier, kg by 4. Even if the range drops to 500. Such a good platoon thing. Expensive truth.
    1. +6
      20 January 2022 09: 44
      Quote: sleeve
      if the sight is "taught" to work on stationary targets and not thermal ones.

      And there is just optics, but smart, with a built-in ballistic computer. You can shoot at any target, the main thing is that the gunner sees it and can keep the front sight on it for 3 seconds.
      1. +7
        20 January 2022 09: 50
        Maybe I didn't read carefully? GOS with a ballistic computer? Serious thing. And the line is good, and most importantly, guerrilla-terrorist use. This time the Englishwoman screwed up so screwed up ...
        1. +3
          20 January 2022 10: 09
          Quote: sleeve
          Maybe I didn't read carefully? GOS with a ballistic computer?

          Not carefully.
          There is no seeker in the rocket, it flies to the point calculated by the sight.
          predicted line-of-sight mode PLOS. NLAW does not have a laser rangefinder or other laser systems. The gunner must aim the crosshairs of the sight and accompany the target for 3-5 seconds. The launcher electronics calculates the trajectory, range and angular velocity - after which it is possible to launch.
          After launch, the rocket moves along a given trajectory thanks to the inertial system in excess, so that it is about 1-2 meters above the target, that is, given the height of the armored vehicles, at a height of 3-4 meters from the ground, without bending around the terrain.
          Also, the NLAW complex has a "direct launch" mode - Direct Attack, to destroy light targets - cars, trucks and helicopters. It is also used to hit targets behind shelters ...
          1. -3
            20 January 2022 11: 41
            Yes, I have improved my knowledge. I take back my words. In the platoon line, this is not necessary. Only along the columns and only an ambush? Taking into account speeds of 600 m, the rocket will fly in 4 seconds (with acceleration). During this time, the tank moving in a "snake" will go at least 30 meters across the intersection (if it crawls) and, accordingly, will disappear from the calculated vector. Maybe there is something besides BV and inertia? Then the thing becomes serious, some kind of heat gun or magnet at worst?) Correct at a distance of 50 meters in a cone from above? If not, then this firewood is very expensive.
            1. +7
              20 January 2022 12: 40
              In the platoon line, this is not necessary.

              Of course, the RPG-7 is our everything! Nothing that there at 600 m a stationary target can only be hit by a miracle. Not to mention all kinds of snake movements, rough terrain ....
              If NLAW
              Only along the columns and only an ambush?
              , then it’s easier to immediately throw out the RPG-7 as a useless load, or use it for educational purposes - creating difficulties and deprivations of military service;)
              1. -3
                20 January 2022 12: 41
                I'm sorry, but are we talking about RPG-7?
                1. +5
                  20 January 2022 12: 44
                  And what do the infantrymen have in an ordinary motorized rifle platoon of the Russian army, except for the RPG-7?
            2. +1
              20 January 2022 14: 20
              Quote: sleeve
              Maybe there is something besides BV and inertia? Then the thing becomes serious, some kind of heat gun or magnet at worst?) Correct at a distance of 50 meters in a cone from above?

              Then it will be Javelin.
              And this is already a different size, a different weight, and a completely different price tag.
      2. 0
        20 January 2022 11: 53
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        with built-in ballistic computer

        I once read ...: "INS with a loginometer ..."! Or ... "calculation,, mathematical trajectory, flight (movement" ...
  17. -2
    20 January 2022 09: 12
    How can an impact core pierce 500mm, maybe 50 mm, or is there not a core?
    1. +1
      20 January 2022 09: 56
      Quote: tohoto
      How can an impact core penetrate 500mm,

      Well, in general, armor penetration is considered as Dx2, i.e. the core must penetrate steel with a thickness of 2 diameters of the ammunition funnel.
      If there is a charge of 25 cm in size, then theoretically it should pierce just those same half a meter.
      1. 0
        20 January 2022 15: 49
        Whence x2, there is half of the diameter or 1x of the diameter.
    2. +1
      20 January 2022 11: 49
      Quote: tohoto
      Or is there no core?

      Many reports about NLAW do not talk about a "strike core" ... they talk about a shaped charge like the warhead of the "Bill '' and ''Bill-2'' ATGMs ... But these are cumulative warheads!
  18. +1
    20 January 2022 09: 51
    Before the war in the SAR, ATGMs of the 2nd generation of the TOU-2V and Kornetov types went to the masses .. and caused great damage to modern tanks. Now we see the beginning of the transfer to third countries of the 3rd generation anti-tank systems (the first versions and not very long-range ones) And given that Ukraine is a marginal country, where such complexes will later be ..... the devil knows! And in the warehouses of Britain and the USA there are a lot of such anti-tank systems, in which the shelf life is coming to an end .... you should also expect them from various broads in Asia. And AZ on tanks has not yet been delivered to us.
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 19: 56
      Nlaw is still not up to the 3rd generation IMHO
      1. +2
        21 January 2022 09: 04
        Yes, 2 ++ like new versions of Tou2V .... there the ammunition detonation scheme is the same ... but it is more long-range. But we haven't gotten there yet.
  19. +9
    20 January 2022 10: 11
    Yes, an interesting thing. I served in an anti-tank platoon where we ran, or rather crawled with a combination of M72 and APILAS. And colleagues from the neighboring company are already with NLAW. We envied them :)
  20. +7
    20 January 2022 10: 31
    Strange ...
    Only yesterday there was an article on VO that these ATGMs are old, useless and useless trash
    1. +3
      20 January 2022 16: 15
      They have their own budgets ...... The Russian army does exactly the same in Syria or somewhere else .... the storage periods are suitable here - loyal countries .... both T55 and T62 ....... and here - old or not - there is no analogue in the Russian Federation yet!
  21. -9
    20 January 2022 10: 39
    The minimum wage of 20 meters smiled, the alert time was 5 seconds. I presented a bare field and then bang a grenade thrower at 20 meters. You can’t gain courage in 1 hour.
    1. +2
      20 January 2022 11: 05
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I imagined a bare field and then bang a grenade thrower 20 meters away. You can’t get courage in 1 hour.

      Funny.
      But nothing that in an open field a grenade launcher can appear from a kilometer. And there 5 seconds and arrived.
      But in the city, yes, maybe from 20 meters from under the rubble to emerge and even 5 seconds the tankers will not have.
      1. -5
        20 January 2022 11: 26
        I’m talking about the declared minimum distance and it’s in the bare field. Advertising is the engine of progress, and Jevelin’s minimum salary is slightly higher.
        1. +1
          20 January 2022 14: 02
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Jewelin has a slightly higher minimum wage.

          So he has a more serious maximum speed.
    2. +4
      20 January 2022 12: 21
      Funny.
      But nothing that in an open field a grenade launcher can appear from a kilometer. And there 5 seconds and arrived.
      But in the city, yes, maybe from 20 meters from under the rubble to emerge and even 5 seconds the tankers will not have.
      And if you strain your brain a little and imagine the situation in urban areas?
      Especially considering that you can shoot from the premises
      1. -3
        20 January 2022 12: 38
        Fighting in urban areas in Grozny taught us a lot, in modern maneuver warfare it is not necessary to enter the city.
        1. +3
          20 January 2022 12: 42
          If you read the charters, then in the main combat units it is necessary to bypass and block large cities. But after that, you still have to clear them if you want to maintain control over the territory. Which was confirmed by the wars in Chechnya and in the SAR
  22. -8
    20 January 2022 11: 06
    It was necessary at one time to transfer a couple of hundred DShKs to the IRA, then they would have spun as if under a pitchfork ...
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 11: 30
      The IRA is not the right contingent to blow up a bar, but to warn about it ten minutes in advance. Even the European Football Championship in England was not canceled after the terrorist attack in 1996.
      1. -1
        20 January 2022 11: 47
        They had groups that kind of got into gunfights
        1. 0
          20 January 2022 11: 53
          When I visited England for work, they only blew up. But with regularity, once a week. In Belfast, they might have been shot at.
  23. -3
    20 January 2022 11: 46
    We wait further and see what other weapons the Maydanuts will be stuffed with
  24. +5
    20 January 2022 12: 32
    the NLAW operator does not need to independently take into account corrections for range, wind and target speed.

    With the speed of the target, it’s more or less clear: when the target is tracked for several seconds, the inertial sensor calculates the average angular velocity, and the calculator built into NLAW predicts where the target will be (while maintaining the same average speed and trajectory) at the time of the missile’s approach (how much the target will move from the moment of launch until the moment the rocket crosses its course). But for an accurate calculation, you also need to know the range to the target, as well as the speed and direction of the wind.
    Therefore, questions arise:
    1. How does the built-in calculator in NLAW take into account the range to the target if there is no laser rangefinder?
    2. How does the built-in calculator in NLAW take into account wind speed and direction?
    1. +3
      20 January 2022 14: 06
       How does the built-in calculator in NLAW take into account wind speed and direction?
      no way, his inertial takes into account already in fact.

      Quote: Cympak
      How does the calculator built into NLAW take into account the range to the target if there is no laser rangefinder?

      But why?
      1. +1
        20 January 2022 14: 12
        How does the calculator built into NLAW take into account the range to the target if there is no laser rangefinder?
        no way, his inertial takes into account already in fact.

        The trouble is that the INS is not able to take into account uniform wind drift, only a change in course.
        How does the calculator built into NLAW take into account the range to the target if there is no laser rangefinder?
        But why?

        To calculate the estimated location of a uniformly moving target, you need to know the time it takes the missile to reach the target. and it depends on the distance.
        1. +1
          20 January 2022 14: 25
          Quote: Cympak
          you need to know the flight time of the rocket to the target

          But why?
          Well, this is not a cannon, the rocket flies in a straight line, but how fast it can fly, 2 seconds or 5, what's the difference.
          1. -2
            20 January 2022 17: 14
            Indeed, if there is no target to hit, then there is no difference, what for a rocket, what for a gun :)))
            1. ada
              -1
              26 January 2022 01: 52
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Quote: Cympak
              you need to know the flight time of the rocket to the target

              But why?
              Well, this is not a cannon, the rocket flies in a straight line, but how fast it can fly, 2 seconds or 5, what's the difference.


              They are crazy, frozen in "deep pardon" in front of a foreign miracle of artillery. He's still in stock. Time for fees!
            2. ada
              +1
              27 January 2022 01: 36
              Quote: Cympak
              Indeed, if there is no target to hit, then there is no difference, what for a rocket, what for a gun :)))

              Ultimate killer https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/503906-javelin-na-minimalkah-na-chto-sposobny-britanskie-ptrk-nlaw-peredannye-ukraine-video "... The missile itself calculates the trajectory, correction for wind and target movement. If there is another technique on the way to the target, and the real target is further, then you need to switch sensor on the "range to target" scale at 100 meters. The magnetic sensor will not respond to the first target, but will work on the second one. In addition to compactness and ease of use, ATGMs have other advantages. For example, a missile will fly to a target that is 600 meters from the operator in 3 seconds. And at a distance of 200 meters - 1 second. This allows you to shoot in direct launch mode with virtually no error. ... the missile is optimized for use with an ATGM tilt angle of up to +/- 45 degrees. Thanks to this, it is possible to fire from the upper floors.

              The disadvantages include the fact that if the target is behind an obstacle higher than 4-5 meters, then the rocket will not be able to overcome it. Plus ATGM disposable. After the shot, you can pick up the Trijicon ACOG sight, mounted on a standard Picatinny rail.
              There are nuances with range and limiting angular speeds, most likely, too. From the video, it seems to me that the rocket develops a speed higher than indicated in the active operation section of the turbojet engine and dies by 2/3 Dmax.
  25. 0
    20 January 2022 12: 53
    Advertising is good. 100% target hit. But this does not happen, for every action there is a reaction .. As for shooting at 20 meters, this is suicide.
    1. +2
      20 January 2022 14: 27
      Quote: 89268170588
      As for shooting at 20 meters, that's suicide.

      This is an opportunity, and how the shooter disposes of this opportunity is his business.
  26. -1
    20 January 2022 13: 27
    A good thing for CITY BATTLE !!!
    This tells what kind of war they were planning for the outskirts. For such humanitarian aid, the evil of London can gratefully send 10 scorning Maces around the island? Enough and completely. wink
    1. +1
      22 January 2022 12: 21
      No one will fight urban battles with these pan-headed Vikings, except perhaps the fighters of the LNR and the DNR, but they seem to just not use equipment (except for captured ones).
      A Syrian company has shown that this highly publicized tactic of mosquito bites is no longer as effective as it used to be. At least against in combat operations against the Russian Armed Forces.
      It is one thing for the Syrians to hammer or fight yesterday’s miners and tractor drivers of Donbass from around the corner or from the basement, and the modern Russian army, in which assault and mechanized units have real experience, honed both in combat conditions and in numerous exercises, is quite another.
  27. +1
    20 January 2022 13: 38
    In this mode, the detonation of the warhead deployed at an angle of 90 degrees occurs at the moment when the missile is above the attacked object.

    Those. if you shoot direct fire at a concrete wall in DA "Direct Attack" mode, then it will not be penetrated.
    1. -1
      20 January 2022 15: 15
      Quote: riwas
      if you shoot direct fire at a concrete wall in DA "Direct Attack" mode, then it will not be penetrated.

      It will not.
      You have to hit the window.
  28. +2
    20 January 2022 13: 42
    Well, the limes handed over weapons to Khokhls ..
    On the one hand, we somehow don’t care, because we are not going to break into Ukraine with tank columns.
    but on the other hand, the weapon is quite dangerous, and it may appear where the thread is in the hands of the bandits.
    And I think that this is on an ATGM, but an advanced RPG, in which there is a castrated calculator, which significantly increases the chance of hitting a moving target.
    Compare the probability of hitting from any RPG and from this NLAV !!! Even a poorly trained fighter has a chance to hit.
    What else - oh two options for the operation of warheads !!!
    Or a contact option or a non-contact option for breaking through a roof or hitting equipment in the trenches ... Here, too, the RPG is inferior.
    So this device is an interesting option, and you don’t have to laugh - it’s like heavy, but you need a target for 3 seconds ... Dangerous weapon.
    You need to think about how to look for opposition.
  29. -2
    20 January 2022 13: 59
    No wonder it turns out that soon this device will be a supporter of banned organizations in Syria and other hot spots. From where, who knows...
  30. +1
    20 January 2022 14: 06
    There was an interesting message about the delivery of something by 8 aircraft from Britain to Boryspil .. 8 aircraft is clearly too much even for 1000 ATGMs.
  31. +3
    20 January 2022 14: 07
    flashed the figure of 2000 shots delivered to Ukraine by the British ... plus some Javelins there .. Plus .. in general, there is something to think about.
  32. villi.shtug
    -5
    20 January 2022 14: 21
    curious to whom the Ukrainians will sell it.
  33. +1
    20 January 2022 16: 10
    It's my opinion that this entire cargo should have been destroyed. Together with the planes right on the runway. It just sat down and immediately exploded. Somehow, maybe the pilot made a mistake. Another question is what performance characteristics he has and where who and how will apply this rubbish.
  34. AML
    +3
    20 January 2022 18: 33
    I propose to transfer decommissioned and close to decommissioning MANPADS and ATGMs for recycling to Cuba, Venezuela and other Nicaragua in order to support the post-COVID economy in any way we can
  35. Cat
    +1
    20 January 2022 18: 54
    All this is great, if we assume that the enemy has nothing else besides tanks, he has not read instructions on tactics, and he hears about anti-tank systems for the first time in his life.
  36. -1
    20 January 2022 19: 13
    20 years of storage is a very relative figure, depending on many parameters. I don’t recall such stupidity as generosity behind the impudent Saxons))) if this weapon is transferred to the Papuans, then it does not suit the Britons themselves. We will find out the true reason for generosity later.
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 19: 37
      These complexes seem to have been released by several tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, since 2009, and the Brits, against which they use it in such quantities, live on the island, and they have shaken off the first batches of ATGMs that have already been changed in 7 years. But the trend is clearly not pleasant either for us or for the LDNR today Banderiyas are supplying massively modern anti-tank systems tomorrow they will be massively supplying MANPADS behind them with full-fledged air defense systems OTRK artillery and aviation - Stingers Hawks Patriots PAC 2 Spiders Palladins ATTACMS penultimate modifications of Apaches and F16 and stuffing for them - all this stuff in bulk in the west.
      1. 0
        20 January 2022 22: 12
        Well, it’s already navryatli that it’s large. ATGMs and MANPADS, the maximum that will be there, well, some other radio equipment, they won’t go further, it’s dangerous, but not Israel at all.
      2. -2
        21 January 2022 07: 27
        Quote: Vadim237
        Banderias supply massively modern ATGMs tomorrow they will massively supply MANPADS behind them full-fledged air defense systems OTRK artillery and aviation - Stingers Hawks Patriots PAC 2 Spiders Palladins ATTACMS penultimate modifications of Apaches and F16 and stuffing for them

        Are you making fools out of Americans? Otherwise, they don’t understand that country 404 will immediately sell all this joy ...
        1. 0
          21 January 2022 17: 09
          To whom they will sell this to you, not Soviet rubbish 40 years ago, not controlled by anyone and not taken into account anywhere - it will not work imperceptibly with this weapon.
          1. 0
            21 January 2022 19: 41
            Quote: Vadim237
            unnoticed to shake off with this weapon will not work.

            Option 1
            "The day before yesterday, the NM LDNR recaptured a warehouse from us. Even our dead are there ...." and then "Yesterday in Syria, ISIS had ATGMs from the LDNR"
            - the first available option for the country to sell 404 to anyone who doesn’t hit .....

            And so on - "kidnapped, stolen, burned, shot, spent ..."
            They can even plant - then!!! - some ensign, warehouse manager or captain of the RAV service

            "War will write everything off!" (c)
      3. +1
        21 January 2022 12: 29
        Fierce nonsense.
        No one will supply paladins, patriots, Apaches to Ukraine.
        Such expensive toys are not given for free. Even if you believe in fairy tales, Ukraine will not pull the operation of such equipment.
        1. -1
          21 January 2022 17: 05
          BU - today the Czechs will completely supply artillery shells, Estonia wanted to supply 122 mm howitzers and yes Stinger MANPADS over time and the rest will be pulled up. And in the US Congress they have already begun to talk about lethal weapons for Ukraine on lease.
          1. +1
            22 January 2022 06: 02
            Howitzers towed! It's not like a paladin at all.
  37. 0
    20 January 2022 19: 52
    I still don't understand how it captures the target. Magnetic sensor, optical sensor, inertial system for some reason.
    I don't understand.....
    1. +1
      21 January 2022 19: 46
      It doesn’t capture at all - the ballistic computer determines the approximate meeting point and went. Flying over the tank, it explodes due to sensors
      1. +2
        22 January 2022 06: 10
        I already figured it out :). On a moving maneuvering target, the chances of hitting are small.
        I watched videos from Anna-news from Syria, they installed cameras on the towers, the tanks hardly stand still, they crawl back and forth.
        I remember the defeat of the tank in the NLD, from the basement almost point-blank, with two RPGs.
        The tank was immediately pulled out by the second tank, the driver died.
  38. -3
    20 January 2022 20: 44
    Glass for a fool ... Either he breaks it or loses it, but a Ukrainian can still sell it or exchange it for lard
  39. +1
    20 January 2022 22: 11
    The negotiations showed that it is time to change the status of partners to the enemy. A clear understanding of who the enemy is, already a good result of negotiations and an understanding of your strategy for years to come
  40. 0
    20 January 2022 22: 17
    a tool that facilitates shooting at moving targets - PLOS (Predicted Line of Sight) - a predicted line of sight.

    As I understand it, this device does not have an active seeker on the rocket. The missile flies along the trajectory calculated in the process of tracking a moving target until the moment of firing (a gentle arc). At a distance of 800 meters, the ammunition will fly for 3-4 seconds. During this time, the tank will pass 30 meters, the car - 40 meters. Hence the question is what will happen if the target stops or changes direction in a given time? The answer is not complicated: nothing unpleasant for the target. Conclusion: shooting at a moving target will be more or less effective at a distance of no more than 300 meters, with a "guarantee" of 100 - 150. Isn't the distance for the infantry rather dumb?
    PS If wrong, please correct me.
    1. +3
      20 January 2022 23: 51
      Yes. Like that. This is a grenade launcher, not an ATGM.
      200-400 m.
      But if you shoot from ambushes, in urban areas, you can
      chop up armored vehicles ...
      1. +1
        21 January 2022 07: 30
        Quote: voyaka uh
        But if you shoot from ambushes, in urban areas, you can
        chop up armored vehicles ...

        Isn't it easier from an RPG?
        1. +3
          21 January 2022 11: 27
          RPG - easier and cheaper.
          But the Swedish grenade launcher has an important advantage:
          undermining the target. Defeat from above, in the lightly armored parts of the tank.

          In addition, there is a ballistic computer for lead, which
          effective over short distances. Allows you to shoot at a moving
          a tank is more accurate than an RPG.

          Moreover, the Swedish grenade launcher is of large diameter. Either 115 or
          150 mm - did not make out. Kumm. powerful jet.
          1. 0
            22 January 2022 15: 20
            What can I say, a good, fairly versatile thing, hitting the roof is a big plus .. Bulky, heavy, really .. It looks like it allows you to shoot from an enclosed space, which +
      2. Urs
        +1
        22 January 2022 13: 43
        Gee, the pipe is disposable, "to chop up armored vehicles" this is a conveyor that feeds into an ambush request lol
    2. ada
      0
      26 January 2022 02: 44
      A simple "sloping arc" does not work there, at least the rocket must perform two turning maneuvers from the moment of launch, the first in the direction of moving the target to the set Vmax and the second to the reverse arc or great circle chord with a quick set of Vmax close to supersonic in the maximum operating mode of the turbojet engine in order to cover the estimated possible band (spectrum) of intersections with the target, the engine should not die for at least 3 seconds to ensure that the design speed is maintained and exceeded from the moment it reaches maximum thrust. The above speed of 160 m / s (average) does not mean anything like that. You need to have tabular values ​​​​for shooting, performance characteristics and RBR before your eyes, then the process will be clear. Data on the range to the target simplify this task by several times, and data on the angular velocity of the target obtained in a combined way from the difference in ranges and angular deviations - dozens of times.
  41. 0
    20 January 2022 22: 45
    Quote: kytx
    I still don't understand how he captures the target

    Everything is simple, it calculates the angular velocity, finds the direction in advance, and as soon as it notices a massive object in its path, it is undermined
  42. +1
    21 January 2022 02: 51
    Evgeniy Damantsev was overtaken here and therefore he moved to eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/01/20/blizoruki-no-opasny-chem-grozit-postavka-kievu-britanskih-ptrk-nlaw
  43. -5
    21 January 2022 07: 52
    It seems to me that these things will not save these things from the "calibers", do the Angles really think that the troops will go wall to wall, some kind of childish naivety, they brought them like beads to the natives. square, then only the "terminator" will come up to clean up on "everything that moves", what an ambush here, it will already be all spattered with shit, or about Syria, how the RF Armed Forces operate there.
  44. -1
    21 January 2022 16: 12
    ... It is necessary that Syria share "Shells" and "Cornets" with the LDNR ...
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  45. 0
    22 January 2022 03: 12
    ... It's 2022, not the 90s!
    The Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also do not slurp cabbage soup. Surely there are effective plans to pre-empt, neutralize or counteract.
    In the same Syria, they worked out the tactics of urban combat very well.
    And KAZs are already putting on the modernized T72 ...
  46. -1
    22 January 2022 05: 48
    In the video about the roof and a direct hit, it’s clearer:
    1. Urs
      0
      22 January 2022 13: 36
      Well, what a normal advertisement for an expensive toy.
      To stand at full height, within visual visibility, a motionless target, and bullets do not whistle overhead, and operational snipers are all asleep and there is no infantry at all. fellow
      Well, why not make fun of wassat .The video finally shows the height of perfection, tankers be afraid to stand still and do not snap laughing
      1. 0
        22 January 2022 16: 25
        No, but what? laughing
        Such is the fate of any grenade launcher. Only with NLAW fate is more successful: both the tank has more chances to blow up, and to survive too. request

        But going to meet fair remarks, "Stand at full height, within visual visibility, a stationary target, and bullets do not whistle overhead, and operational snipers are all asleep and there is no infantry at all." the designers came up with different things in order to "why not be naughty."

        In the UK they use Exactor Mk 1, "nee" Spike-NLOS


        In Ukraine, it is even easier - a remote control is attached to the Stugna ATGM. Sit in your bunker and shoot.
        1. Urs
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          22 January 2022 17: 04
          Haha, that's a topic for another discussion.
          Not the right size, and the price is not the same, and the tactics of application are not the same.
          In short, this is about something else. You can also talk about the "chrysanthemum" and remember the "cornet".
          1. 0
            22 January 2022 19: 00
            Ha, it's not measured by size and cost.

            What can be hung on the back of an infantryman so that he can send greetings to the bunker / bunker / window of the third floor with a machine gun in a nine-story building? And in the unfortunate case of meeting with a tank "head-on" to fill it up too?
            Chrysanthemum or Cornet?

            As for the price - here is every third economist on the military forum - as they say, "there is no money - love at home" and fight with spears, they are almost not spent.

            And about, well, at least attach a protected remote control to the ATGM: well, why don’t we do this? Ok, the new generation of anti-tank systems does not work, well, at least you can take the operator away from the launcher by 50-100 meters so that he does not pretend to be a hero,
            there is a stationary target within visual visibility, and bullets do not whistle overhead, and operational snipers are all asleep and there is no infantry at all. fellow
            Well, why not be naughty wassat
            ?
            No, the troops still go "take what they give."

            finally the height of perfection, tankers be afraid to stand still and do not snap back laughing
            - regarding the protection of tanks, well, this is generally some kind of trash. Instead of doing, buying from the Israelis, or at least a KAZ "tac-scratch" for tanks, they make canopies over the tower, over which only the Indians do not laugh, because they think that this is an umbrella from the heat, like theirs.

            It's just that all this "urya-urya" is already over ......, and I "do not take bribes in bot farms - I feel sorry for the state." recourse
            1. Urs
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              22 January 2022 22: 00
              Along the way, dear, you don’t read at all on your own wave and don’t see the essence in the answers.
              The above video is not in the subject of discus, which I told you that this is the topic of another discussion. And about the cheers of patriotism, I have never been like that, this is the opinion of an officer who participated in real hostilities, before choosing a weapon, think a hundred times what for why and why, it’s in toys like Kof D that you can start life over again in real life, life is one and the board is one. And the hole in the side was just received as a lesson that in a real battle a second in an open area can be deadly. Also about a weapon, uncomfortable cumbersome or something worse, requiring time to be in an open area at full height, this is pure death. Therefore, I think so, samples of the front edge pts of the RPG7 type and its further modifications were chosen, although I preferred the "fly". But for the defense of the second echelon it's what's in the video. And about the KAZ systems, as a professional tank engineer, I declare that in the USSR they developed the concept and technology of this protection system. Neither in Israel nor in the states did they even guess that it was possible to protect BT in this way, and at our ZEM plant, design work on systems was already in full swing "lapwing" and "thrush" you probably never heard of such (these are working names), but they were. And I dare to assure you that no one has yet developed and applied full-fledged protection of the upper hemisphere of the BT.
              And that's enough of this chatter.
              1. +1
                23 January 2022 18: 03
                And that's enough of this chatter.
                - warmly support!
  47. 0
    22 January 2022 20: 14
    In principle, this topic has been discussed more than once. No matter how they swagger in commercials, this system has vulnerabilities, which means that countermeasure systems are not fiction.
    Moreover, the countermeasure complex is much cheaper, and you can install it even on the Ural, even on the BMP.
    The operator of the complex accompanies a moving target, holding it in sight for three seconds, after which it fires a shot.
    Half of this time is enough for the optics detector to detect the calculation. Here, little depends on people, the war of microcircuits begins.
    Quote: Plate
    As for fighting back, there is only one hope - KAZ, as for me.
    There are more options. The Floor Lamp, which is in standby mode, emits IR rays of the same spectrum as those coming from the engine. Just as SOEP did in Afghanistan, only there will be no dead zones. On the IR matrix, it will look something like this.

    The operator does not have much time. A chilled seeker cannot wait long. And an already launched missile will no longer find the desired target signature.
    1. 0
      23 January 2022 18: 02
      Chilled seeker can't wait long
      - especially if she's not in NLAW...
      1. 0
        23 January 2022 22: 29
        Your suggestions...
        1. +1
          23 January 2022 22: 48
          My suggestions to you?

          Continue monitoring, as soon as the GOS appears on the NLAW, give the command: "install the Floor Lamp, which is in standby mode, at least on the Ural, at least on the BMP!"

          Until the GOS appeared on NLAW and the "Floor Lamp" does not need to be installed, you can try to find out how the GOS Javelin works. The one that "a chilled seeker cannot wait long." Then - "understand and forgive" Floor lamp and others like him.
          1. 0
            25 January 2022 20: 15
            The rocket of the complex is equipped with an inertial control system that compensates for the impact of the external environment. At the same time, the shooter received a tool that facilitates shooting at moving targets - PLOS (Predicted Line of Sight) - a predicted line of sight.
            Do you believe in it? As mentioned above, it is suitable only for stationary purposes. Or a type of loitering ammunition launched from a portable installation, but then it is not a Javelin, and not even next to it.
            1. 0
              25 January 2022 21: 41
              Do you believe that?
              as it is written in the description, but what is the question?

              As mentioned above, it is suitable only for stationary purposes.
              that same PLOS just helps to shoot at a moving target, IMHO, based on "rectilinear and constant movement." PLOS is at least better than the world famous EYEball mark 1 system.
              It is strange, by the way, that the description does not indicate the possibility of dismantling the PLOS from the shot tube - but the rich have their own quirks.

              Or a type of loitering ammunition launched from a portable installation, but then it is not a Javelin, and not even next to it.
              well, yes, Javelin is somewhere around 3000 m range and 300 thousand dollars (rocket and launcher), and NLAW - 800 m and 20 thousand dollars.
              It's good for those who have it. and other....

              By the way, the good Israelis did finish their Spike before firing from the shoulder, as they say "cheap and cheerful and from the shoulder."
              Ukraine's neighbors in the Baltics already have one.

  48. 0
    24 January 2022 09: 53
    I offer readers instructions for the use of this grenade launcher, presented in a simplified and comic form. This is for those "experts" in VO who claim that in order to use this grenade launcher, you must graduate from at least an academy.

    https://u-news.com.ua/124187-vsu-poluchyly-brytanskye-granatmety-nlaw-poiavylas-zabavnaia-fotoynstrukcyia-po-strelbe.html
  49. 0
    24 January 2022 21: 44
    Quote: Alexandr Bogun
    I have never heard that the "sharavarniks" especially ran around there and were in a hurry to give up. I understand that it’s nice for us to think that it’s “wow” from us, but they are “shy nonsense” that just throws a weapon.

    Have you heard that some kind of psychological operations would be carried out for this? Both aimed at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so at the population? I didn’t hear something, they tried to return the prisoners and defectors as soon as possible to the hands of the SBU.
  50. 0
    24 January 2022 23: 54
    In flight, a guided missile of the NLAW complex maintains a given course using an inertial navigation system and flies to a predetermined meeting point. Course deviations are corrected automatically. Unlike classic ATGMs, the grenade launcher cannot control the missile in any way after it has been launched, and the missile itself cannot track the target. If the target after the launch of the missile changes its direction of movement or stops unexpectedly, then the missile will continue to fly to the meeting point calculated during launch.
  51. 0
    25 January 2022 16: 32
    Yes, I'm jealous. The question of “fire and forget” has matured and become overripe, but things are still there...
  52. 0
    27 January 2022 15: 59
    Quote: Alexandr Bogun
    ? I won’t talk about some details that I personally know from the fact that I served in the period 15-17

    YOU, dear one, don’t forget about the memoirs, not now, so maybe later you’ll be able to find out something, but memory, it’s such that it’s better to write it down, for reliability
  53. 0
    28 January 2022 10: 49
    They still can’t stop discussing the weapons of partisans and saboteurs. All large troop formations and supplies will be destroyed by long-range artillery and aircraft. Those who remain will be cleared by the people's militia with tracking using drones.
    As military practice shows, it is enough to incapacitate 20% of the most stubborn ones and all the rest will surrender. Those. for 250 thousand Ukrainian Armed Forces, 50 thousand are enough for the rest to surrender or run away. Of course, the fact of a conspiracy between the two parties about the so-called “appearance” of war cannot be ruled out. When capitulation is predetermined, but first it is necessary to kill and cripple the 2% most stubborn. The “warlike” Poles settled on these numbers and none of the cities built defensive fortresses.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland
    Although it is possible that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be hiding in cities with these RPGs, they are not religious fanatics and there will be very few of them.
  54. 0
    29 January 2022 13: 46
    On the YouTube channel of the Ministry of Defense they showed a tank visor to protect against them: https://d.radikal.ru/d22/2201/19/32c30affd24a.png
    At the very beginning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiZGjgOoTR8
  55. 0
    29 March 2022 15: 45
    Since this type is produced in thousands, it is clearly not 100% effective against tanks.
    1. 0
      29 March 2022 22: 19
      The author writes
      "-The caliber of the missile head with warhead is 150 mm."
      - "The declared armor penetration of 500 mm allows us to be guaranteed to hit the majority of existing MBTs in the upper projection."
      Obviously, the upper projection of the tank is struck by a shaped charge located across the missile body and its length cannot exceed the diameter of the missile head, those same 150mm, so a shaped charge 150mm long cannot penetrate armor 500mm thick. plus the detonation of the charge occurs when the rocket flies over the tank, that is, the cumulative charge jet moves at a right angle to the rocket trajectory, which leads to a lateral displacement of the jet relative to the surface of the armor, which noticeably weakens its effect. (depends on the speed during the flight)
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