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The first flight into the future: Tu-160M ​​of a new construction entered the tests

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On January 12, a completely new strategic bomber-missile carrier Tu-160M ​​took off from the airfield of the Kazan Aviation Plant for the first time. This event is of great importance for the development of domestic combat aviation... It shows that the production of the most complex aviation complex has been fully restored and is ready to fulfill orders from the Ministry of Defense.


The road to trials


Work on the restoration of the serial production of Tu-160 aircraft has been carried out since the mid-tenths. The preliminary measures took several years, and at the end of 2018, the Ministry of Defense announced the start of construction of two new bombers at the Kazan Aviation Plant. Unlike the machines already under construction, it was planned to make them practically from scratch - using newly manufactured structures and assemblies.

The construction of the first of the new Tu-160Ms was completed last year. In November and December, information appeared in the press about the imminent start of ground and flight tests. It was reported that KAZ works in three shifts and prepares the plane for planned events. The possible dates of the first flight were also given - it could take place at the end of 2021 or at the beginning of 2022.

In recent weeks, the new Tu-160M ​​has passed all the necessary ground checks and made its first flight on January 12. The bomber was in the air for about half an hour; the flight was carried out at an altitude of 600 m. The Tupolev test pilot crew performed the flight according to a simple program and determined the stability and controllability of the aircraft.


Now the project participants will have to carry out the entire range of flight tests. During these events, it is planned to confirm the calculated characteristics, as well as to determine the compliance of new solutions and technologies with the requirements for the modernized project. In addition, within the framework of the tests, certain shortcomings can be identified and corrected.

It is not known how long the tests of the first new Tu-160M ​​will last. The high degree of novelty and the corresponding responsibility require a particularly careful approach. However, there is no doubt that over the next few years, the new bomber will be handed over to the customer and will go into operation, complementing the aircraft of the previous series.

Solved Tasks


The new Tu-160M ​​was built from scratch and without using the existing stock or old-made units. In addition, the aircraft is made according to the modernized design and differs significantly from the technology of the old release. All this became possible thanks to the successful implementation of a complex multicomponent program for the resumption of production and restoration of competencies.

This program provided for a wide range of various measures, in fact, affecting all stages of the project. Thus, a fundamentally new digital environment was created for working on a project. It included a number of design organizations involved in the program in different roles, and all documentation was created in digital form.


Using this approach, a new version of the Tu-160 project was developed. It is distinguished by the use of a large number of modern systems and components that ensure the growth of various characteristics and parameters. General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar noted that in the latest version of the Tu-160M ​​systems and equipment were updated by 80%. In fact, only the outer appearance of the bomber has been preserved, while inside it is almost completely updated.

In order to prepare for the future production of units and the assembly of aircraft, several enterprises involved in the project were modernized. In particular, the Kazan aircraft plant, which plays a leading role in the project, updated approx. 40% of workshop equipment. A unique installation for electron-beam welding and vacuum annealing of titanium, used for the manufacture of key airframe units, was restored and put into operation. Part of the plant's employees involved in the construction of the Tu-160M ​​underwent retraining with advanced training. The flight test base has been updated, where all new aircraft will be tested, and not only the Tu-160M.

The key task of the program was to restore the production of NK-32 turbojet engines. The United Engine Corporation and the UEC-Kuznetsov company successfully coped with this and set up serial production of the upgraded NK-32-02 products. They are already being used in the construction and modernization of the Tu-160.

The efforts of other project participants have developed and modernized a lot of electronic systems and devices intended for use on the Tu-160M. With their help, compliance with modern requirements is ensured, as well as a number of operational and combat characteristics are increased.


Considering the overall scale of the program, the initial conditions, the volume of work carried out and the changes made to the project, one can speak not just about the restoration of the existing production. In fact, it was built and re-launched - and now it gives the desired results. So far, we are talking only about one new aircraft, but more are expected in the near future.

Production plans


The construction of new Tu-160M ​​aircraft is carried out in accordance with an order from the Ministry of Defense issued in January 2018. This document provides for the construction of 10 missile-carrying bombers of a new series by 2027. It was reported that the first flight of the lead aircraft will take place in 2021, and supplies of equipment to the troops will begin in 2023.

The recent start of flight tests of the new Tu-160M ​​shows that the work is generally proceeding in accordance with the established schedule. The first flight of the car took place a little later than the previously named date, but such a lag cannot be called significant or capable of negatively affecting the entire program.

Even at the stage of launching the production recovery program, it was argued that the Ministry of Defense could order 50 new aircraft over the next few decades. In addition, it was planned to carry out overhaul and modernization of existing machines of the previous series. Both tasks are being successfully solved at the present time.


Currently, the Russian Air Force has less than 20 Tu-160 bombers in several basic modifications. At the same time, the modernization of equipment continues, which gives known positive results. The appearance of a dozen new missile carriers by 2027 will significantly improve not only the qualitative, but also the quantitative indicators of the bomber. fleet.

In the future, most likely, the production of new Tu-160M ​​will continue. The fulfillment of new contracts will again increase the number of bombers. In addition, in the distant future, the technology of future series will make it possible to decommission old aircraft, which by that time will have reached their end of life.

As a result, we can expect that in a few decades - in the middle of the century or later - a noticeable share of our strategic aviation will continue to be Tu-160M ​​in the current modification at that time and with a sufficient remainder of the resource. Even after the appearance of the promising missile carrier PAK DA, the new Tu-160M ​​will not lose their significance.

First flight to the future


Thus, the Russian aviation industry and related industries have successfully completed the necessary work and restored the entire production cycle of Tu-160 strategic missile carriers, and immediately in a modernized version. Proof of this success is now the lead aircraft of the new series, which recently made its maiden flight.

Now "UAC", "Tupolev" and allied companies will have to carry out tests, perform the necessary modifications, hand over the aircraft to the customer - and continue the construction of the series. The production resumption program has passed the first difficult stage and begins a new stage. It will not be simple either, but now its results will be real aircraft entering the Air Force.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 January 2022 05: 39
    +2
    First flight to the future
    Sounds optimistic! good
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 14 January 2022 06: 00
      +10
      However, there is no doubt that over the next few years the new bomber will be handed over to the customer and will go into operation.

      Doesn't sound optimistic. whatToo vague.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 January 2022 06: 31
        -5
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        , Does not sound optimistic. what is too vague.
        , there can be no doubt that over the next few yearst the new bomber will be handed over to the customer and will go into operation, supplementing the aircraft of the previous series.
        .

        a few years - somehow yes ... vague ...
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 January 2022 11: 55
      +3
      The main thing is that there will be a global platform for launching new products.
      The upgraded Tu-160M ​​strategic missile carrier will carry a new generation of various types of cruise missiles, writes The Drive. In an article dedicated to the first flight of the aircraft built from scratch, the publication talks in detail about the Tu-160M ​​and, perhaps for the first time, names its new weapons.


      .Although the overall parameters of the weapon bays remain the same - they contain two drum launchers for 12 cruise missiles - the missiles themselves will be different. After analyzing data from open sources, the publication suggested that the Tu-160M ​​arsenal - in addition to the already existing X-101 and its nuclear counterpart X-102 - will include several types of medium and long-range missiles that are under development.

      The Kh-SD uses the same guidance system as the Kh-101, but the new missile is smaller and less visible to radar. The long-range X-BD is a development of the X-101, but it will have a one and a half times greater flight range - up to 7500 kilometers. As part of the program to create a hypersonic aviation missile for long-range aviation, X-MTS is being created. It will be able to accelerate to Mach 6 and fly 1500 kilometers.

      https://rg.ru/2022/01/13/nazvano-novoe-vooruzhenie-tu-160m.html
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 January 2022 14: 43
        -1
        "As part of the program to create a hypersonic aviation missile for long-range aviation, the X-MTS is being created. It will be capable of accelerating to Mach 6 and flying 1500 kilometers." This missile is clearly replacing the X 15.
  2. Asad
    Asad 14 January 2022 05: 43
    +4
    Successful tests, and execution of plans without shifts to the right.
  3. Lykases1
    Lykases1 14 January 2022 06: 13
    +5
    I am glad that we managed to restore the process.
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 January 2022 06: 52
    0
    We repeated the achievement of forty years ago ....
    Success, cho.
    1. Asad
      Asad 14 January 2022 07: 09
      +4
      It's better than nothing!
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 15
      0
      technology was lost
    3. ZAV69
      ZAV69 14 January 2022 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      We repeated the achievement of forty years ago ....
      Success, cho.

      We repeated that, but the Americans cannot saturn 5.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 14 January 2022 14: 17
        -2
        Can
        The launch of the Space Launch System is scheduled for mid-February 2022.

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/space-launch-system-gotova-k-zapusku.html
        naukatehnika.com
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 14 January 2022 14: 59
          +3
          That's when they deliver a man to the moon, then they can. For now, no.
      2. ramzay21
        ramzay21 15 January 2022 20: 29
        +2
        The Americans are not trying to restore B-1 production, they are not even trying to restore B-2 production, they are building a new aircraft and doing it systematically.
        As for Saturn 5, they don’t need it, they are building new rockets that will deliver spacecraft to Mars much cheaper, at the price at which Saturn-5 did it, they don’t need these flights.
  5. ohka
    ohka 14 January 2022 08: 10
    +9
    Who will clarify whether the plane is "absolutely new" or a glider was used from stocks, "shaggy" years of construction.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 January 2022 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: ohka
      Who will clarify whether the plane is "absolutely new" or a glider was used from stocks, "shaggy" years of construction.

      Here:
      For the first time, the strategic missile carrier Tu-160M, built from scratch, took to the skies
      https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-01-12/419326-vpervye_podnyalsya_v_nebo_postroennyy_s_nulya_strategicheskiy_raketonosets_tu_160m
    2. frog
      frog 14 January 2022 09: 46
      -2
      But how many of them remained, not let into the metal, so many of them will be .... new ......
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 14 January 2022 14: 12
        +1
        a start.
        by 2030 there will already be 10 pieces at least + 17 modernized = 27
  6. yuriy55
    yuriy55 14 January 2022 08: 14
    +2
    With these characteristics, the Tu-160m2 has a long and fruitful future.
    good
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 14 January 2022 09: 43
      +2
      hi With NK 32 02 engines, the Tu 160 is the only military aircraft that can fly supersonic for 2 hours. Others have options.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 14 January 2022 11: 54
        +10
        Quote: tralflot1832
        which can fly supersonic for 2 hours

        What for?
        For such aircraft, the range and duration of the flight are very important, and "supersonic" limits precisely these parameters.
        The times of a supersonic low-altitude air defense breakthrough are over, modern missile launchers are used without entering the enemy air defense coverage area.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 13: 59
          +3
          Quote: Bez 310
          For such aircraft, the range and duration of the flight are very important, and "supersonic" limits precisely these parameters.

          To quickly reach the missile launch line and quickly get away from enemy fighters. In addition, now there are engines with non-afterburning supersonic, though so far only on fighters. If you create for the Tu-160, then the duration of the supersonic flight will increase significantly. That will give a tactical advantage.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 14 January 2022 14: 55
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            To quickly reach the missile launch line and quickly get away from enemy fighters.

            The "strategists" enter the missile launch zone in advance, without any haste, and these zones are located outside the reach of enemy fighters.
            As far as I know, the letters "Air Force" in your name do not at all indicate your aviation education, so it's better to absorb knowledge and not demonstrate aviation ignorance.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 15: 09
              -5
              Quote: Bez 310
              The "strategists" enter the missile launch zone in advance, without any haste, and these zones are located outside the reach of enemy fighters.

              If supersonic would not be needed, the Tu-160 would be made subsonic and would save a lot of money. If he is, then this gives him some kind of tactical advantage.
              Well, why do you need it? In what situations is it needed?
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                  1. andranick
                    andranick 14 January 2022 16: 06
                    +7
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    the site would have closed long ago

                    Apparently, you didn’t catch the time when it was those who were interested and involved were sitting on the site. And the discussions were far from hatred, on the contrary - much more substantive.
                    1. Lt. Air Force stock
                      Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 16: 12
                      -4
                      Quote: andranick
                      those who are interested and involved.

                      So it is now also. There are interested (non-specialists) and involved (specialists). But there is a lot of news and you will not be an expert in all branches. And to speak out, to clarify, to ask and to speculate is interesting at times. This is where gaslighting by the experts begins.
                      1. andranick
                        andranick 14 January 2022 16: 23
                        +7
                        Far from the same. The current specialists are more rated specialists - from that, yes. A year as registered - and already in the generals. And those who have achieved something in real life and, accordingly, can comment on something professionally and based on their experience (or ask, which is also normal) - there are few of them left. The main thing is to get in the front rows from the sofa so that the message is in the top.
                      2. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 16: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: andranick
                        The current specialists are more rated specialists - from that, yes. A year as registered - and already in the generals.

                        This is all the administration urges to comment more actively. She reset the rating several years ago, relatively speaking, who was the marshal, reached this rank and calmed down on the site. Demoted to colonel and a new wave of comments began.
                        Quote: andranick
                        , maybe comment something professionally and based on your experience (or ask, which is also normal) - there are few of them left

                        Even if a person has achieved a lot, he usually has little to say in the comments for obvious reasons. Relatively speaking, a non-specialist commentator says something is wrong, but a specialist cannot say how right because of non-disclosure, and here the transition to personalities begins. "You're wrong, you d-k, etc." and everything like that.
                      3. andranick
                        andranick 14 January 2022 16: 42
                        +3
                        Not only. The VO platform has become one of the top media with rather mild moderation of comments. Hence, there is a spur on by the interested forces, on the one hand, urya-cap-throwning, and on the other, all-propalism. And in order for the comments to look significant, for example, by (suddenly) 2024, you need to gain a rating and experience. At least I see the same picture as in 2018.
              2. Outsider
                Outsider 14 January 2022 20: 20
                +4
                Lt. Air Force stock (LZVV)
                Well, why do you need it? In what situations is it needed?

                - Today he is no longer needed - nowhere and to anyone. Today Russia needs a long-range subsonic stealth missile carrier capable of operating from the ground - both in winter and in summer.
                Lt. air force reserve knows what it is dispersal?!
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 20: 31
                  -3
                  Quote: Outsider
                  Today it is no longer needed - nowhere and no one. Today, Russia needs a long-range subsonic stealth missile carrier capable of operating from the ground - both in winter and in summer.

                  No one has a strategic bomber capable of landing in the field.
                  Quote: Outsider
                  Lt. does the Air Force reserve know what dispersal is ?!

                  A strategic stealth bomber will not be able to land in the field.
                2. Elturisto
                  Elturisto 14 January 2022 23: 17
                  -1
                  Absolutely true statement. By the way, the Tu-95s flew and landed from the ground, the resource certainly suffered, but the planes were by and large disposable. All this fuss with the Tu-160 is a PR campaign for internal use. then...
          2. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 14 January 2022 15: 05
            +4
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            To quickly reach the missile launch line and quickly get away from enemy fighters

            It was necessary to stop at the first half of the phrase, because the second does not make sense. If there are enemy fighters nearby, then no supersonic will help to get away from them. Their rockets still fly faster.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 15: 12
              -4
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              If there are enemy fighters nearby, then no supersonic will help to get away from them. Their rockets still fly faster.

              Fighters nearby still need to reach the launch line and it is not 160 kilometers, with electronic warfare and high speed, the range of the so-called Zone no escape is somewhere around 100 kilometers.
          3. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 14 January 2022 15: 08
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            If you create for the Tu-160 then

            As our Boss said, "if grandma had... it would be grandpa"
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 15: 16
              -1
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              As our Boss said, "if grandma had... it would be grandpa"

              Well, now the cruising speed of the Tu-160 is subsonic, somewhere around 900 km / h. When supersonic, afterburner is activated, additional fuel enters the afterburner, which greatly reduces the flight range due to increased fuel consumption. With afterburner supersonic flight range is significantly increased due to lower fuel consumption. So there is a point.
        2. Rutrick
          Rutrick 15 January 2022 18: 00
          0
          Well, it seems that the range and duration of the flight with the new engine also increased.
  7. Bez 310
    Bez 310 14 January 2022 08: 25
    +5
    Unfortunately, this happened a flight into the past.
    Yes, very good planes were built in the USSR, but in Russia this is just a disaster. And confirmation of this is the "new" Tu-160, Tu-22m3, Il-76 ...
    I do not see any reason for pride and jubilation, all this is very sad.
    1. kapitan281271
      kapitan281271 14 January 2022 09: 34
      +2
      Here, as always, the question arises of the notorious glass of water, whether it is empty or full. We have not been in the USSR for a long time (which, as you know, according to the great statesman, “I couldn’t even produce galoshes”), and therefore this is a breakthrough in the new realities. In fairness, even now almost all the so-called developed countries are not able to produce such machines.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 14 January 2022 09: 38
        -1
        Quote: kapitan281271
        ... in the new realities, this is a breakthrough.

        Well, yes, a breakthrough in the past ...
        1. prior
          prior 14 January 2022 10: 22
          +3
          Let's just say that the production of Soviet "galoshes" has been restored at KAZ, the shape is the same, and the interior decoration has been somewhat modernized.
          1. S. Nikolaev
            S. Nikolaev 17 January 2022 21: 01
            0
            the form is the same

            And what, during this time on Earth, the laws of aerodynamics have changed a lot?
            As for "breakthroughs into the past", here is a message from one of the forums:
            ... Is this a "hint" to the antiquity of the Tu-95MS-6 / Tu-95MS-16? Which ones are being upgraded to the Tu-95MSM?
            I bring to your attention that all Tu-95MS combat vehicles were built in the mid-80s - early 90s.
            The available Tu-95 fleet is the same age as the B-1B Lancer.
            And, on average, even younger.
            Not to mention the fact that the Lancers, unlike the Tu-95MS, were rolled into "trash". "Live" only 6 "sides".
            I am generally silent about the B-52. The last one was made in 1962.
            Relatively recently 2 pcs. The B-52 was assembled from several that were stored in a dump in the desert.
            About our Tu-160 and Tu-22M3, against the background of such "achievements" of partners, you can not talk at all.
            So who has "almost the entire flight fleet of strategists from the rarities of the Khrushchev era" (c)?

            And I think this man knows what he's talking about.
        2. andranick
          andranick 14 January 2022 10: 22
          +4
          Bez 310... But I have a personal question for you. From the height of your experience, how do you see the use of "swans" at the beginning of a hypothetical global conflict, where Russia (again hypothetically) will first have to repel a massive blow from the aggressor? And will there be any point in using "swans" after repelling the first strike?
          Why am I asking. It's just that in my opinion there are not so many basing points for "swans", and measures will be taken for sure to prevent the take-off of missile carriers. Only those who are in the air on combat duty remain relevant (if you're lucky). The use of missile carriers remaining on the ground for a retaliatory strike will be problematic or impossible (and, perhaps, belated).
          So why this plane? No joke, I really don't get it.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 14 January 2022 10: 57
            +5
            Quote: andranick
            how do you see the use of "swans" at the beginning of a hypothetical global conflict, where Russia (again, hypothetically) will first have to repel a massive blow from the aggressor?

            I would like to believe that during the threatened period, "strategists" will begin to be on duty in designated areas to use weapons in the event of a "hypothetical massive strike by the aggressor."
            1. andranick
              andranick 14 January 2022 11: 22
              +2
              Thank you for your reply!
          2. English tarantas
            English tarantas 14 January 2022 18: 00
            -1
            So why this plane? No jokes, I really don't understand

            We can look at the experience of the Americans. B-52, 1, 2 were used to bomb Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq. An airplane that can bomb a good one at a time is very useful when you need to bomb a lot and in a short time. The same Yugoslavia, there was air defense, even decent, but the fact is that if all their air defense were crushed, then other types of troops remain, sufficiently developed to inflict serious losses, so an aircraft that carries a load "for three" in one flight is very useful , even without nuclear weapons
            1. andranick
              andranick 14 January 2022 19: 23
              +2
              Thanks for the answer. But I simulated a slightly different situation. And the answer of Bez 310 completely coincides with my understanding, I heard it in full.
              It is undoubtedly good when there is where to take off, who is to lift the strategists into the air, and when these strategists are. Then yes, maybe it will make sense to bomb out something simpler, but thicker, then the situation will determine.
        3. Momotomba
          Momotomba 14 January 2022 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: Bez 310
          Well, yes, a breakthrough in the past ...

          And what would you, as a person from aviation, would like to see instead of a new old aircraft?
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 14 January 2022 10: 53
            +5
            Quote: Momotomba
            would like to see instead of a new old aircraft?

            I would like to see new passenger regional aircraft to replace the An-24, Yak-40, Tu-134, An-2.
            1. Momotomba
              Momotomba 14 January 2022 11: 48
              +5
              Quote: Bez 310
              I would like to see new passenger regional aircraft to replace the An-24, Yak-40, Tu-134, An-2.

              It's hard to argue with this...
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 January 2022 14: 47
                -6
                IL 114 - 300 is not a replacement, like the updated Superjet and Baikal.
                1. Serg Kam
                  Serg Kam 15 January 2022 06: 04
                  +2
                  IL 114 - 300 is not a replacement

                  After the tragedy with the Il-112, all test flights of the Il-114-300 were suspended.
                  It is not known when the aircraft will be tested again. And even more so, it is not known when it will go into series.
            2. Barberry25
              Barberry25 14 January 2022 16: 26
              -7
              and when they appear to declare that this is "not that" ... We passed, we swim, by the way, the replacement for the Tu-134 is called the Sukhoi SuperJet .. but let me guess, this is not it?
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 14 January 2022 16: 35
                +6
                Quote: Barberry25
                .We passed, we swim

                It is difficult to argue with you, since you, being an absolute amateur in all matters, speak with "patriotic" slogans in almost all discussions, turning calm conversations of VO visitors into rallies. Sorry, but I don't participate in rallies...
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 14 January 2022 16: 37
                  -6
                  Well, what else can you say? You said that you were "waiting for a replacement", I named the aircraft that was developed and produced, but instead of answering I heard an excuse, because if you answer after the fact, then either you have to admit "yes the aircraft is designed and produced" or " aah, this is a superjet, this is not what you need"
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 14 January 2022 17: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    I named the aircraft that was designed and produced

                    It is hardly possible to consider a device with more than 70% of components, including engines, imported as a Russian aircraft.
                    The features of this aircraft are evidenced by the fact that most airlines refuse to operate it, due to economic inexpediency. All these features can be found on the Internet, so I do not intend to discuss them.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 14 January 2022 17: 45
                      -4
                      several refused due to difficulties with the logistics for the delivery of spare parts, not to mention the fact that the SuperJet-Russian is soon being prepared completely from our spare parts .. Not to mention the fact that "if it weren't so bad," they would not have produced more than 200 boards with an order for another 150 boards. But in general, I understood the position - everything is bad in Russia, nothing will change and vaapshe .. I'll just return to this conversation in 2 years, when the MS-21 will already be serial and IL-114, to hear how bad they are and "jerk into the past" ...
                      1. andranick
                        andranick 14 January 2022 19: 31
                        +4
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        SuperJet-Russian completely from our spare parts
                        When someone talks about completely Russian spare parts, I have a mad desire to see the interior of multifunctional indicators. Namely - to see the manufacturer's nameplate directly to the display panel (matrix). Nowhere did I meet who makes them with us. Maybe someone in the know?
                    2. VladGTN
                      VladGTN 14 January 2022 21: 36
                      0
                      Azimuth learned
                      1. andranick
                        andranick 14 January 2022 23: 27
                        +1
                        Didn't find any mention of it
                      2. VladGTN
                        VladGTN 15 January 2022 20: 39
                        0
                        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/786717
                        Azimuth claimed 12 hours a day
                      3. andranick
                        andranick 16 January 2022 17: 40
                        0
                        I'm sorry, I was wrong. I thought this was in response to my comment on panel makers.
        4. Victorio
          Victorio 15 January 2022 21: 00
          0
          Quote: Bez 310
          Quote: kapitan281271
          ... in the new realities, this is a breakthrough.

          Well yes, breakthrough. to the past...

          ===
          it can't be, it's more like the present. stretch your legs along the clothes
      2. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 14 January 2022 09: 56
        -7
        in the new realities, this is a breakthrough

        What exactly is a "breakthrough"? Tu-160s were built in piece quantities both in the 1990s and in the 2000s, if anything.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 16
          +2
          no, not built from scratch
    2. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 14 January 2022 10: 12
      0
      Yes, very good planes were built in the USSR, but in Russia this is just a disaster. And confirmation of this is the "new" Tu-160, Tu-22m3, Il-76 ...

      Well, the joke here is that EMNIP, with the exception of China, is the new heavy bombers that NOBODY in the world creates at all. Exactly. American B-52Hs will soon have a physical age of 60+ years, for example. Well, that is, from the moment they were built. The newest B-1B "Lancer" was released from the hangars of the aircraft factory in 1988, the newest B-2 "Stealth" - in 1997. Now in the United States, the B-21 Raider strategic bomber is being developed, but judging by the available data, this is essentially a cheaper version of the B-2 with new (modern) avionics, to replace the actual "old" B-2 and B-1B.
      With the latter, by the way, a particularly interesting point is that under the Treaty on the Reduction of Offensive Arms, B-1Bs were converted with the exception of the possibility of using nuclear weapons. Therefore, there is a non-zero probability that the new B-21 "Raider" will also be in the "non-nuclear" configuration o.O
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 14 January 2022 16: 16
      -2
      and what are the complaints about the IL-76MD-90A? Was the production of the modernized IL-76 launched .. or did you have to reinvent the wheel again?
  8. Graz
    Graz 14 January 2022 09: 35
    +1
    they would give the troops 2-3 units a year. then it would be ok
  9. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 13: 17
    0
    He would have engines with supersonic afterburner.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2022 14: 50
      -5
      It may be necessary to create new engines in the future when we start creating hypersonic bombers there and create a supersonic engine capable of reaching supersonic without afterburner for takeoff and for switching to scramjet operation.
  10. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 14 January 2022 13: 24
    +1
    A very good deal. Necessary equipment, unlike aircraft carriers.
  11. BAI
    BAI 14 January 2022 14: 25
    +2
    Even after the appearance of the promising missile carrier PAK DA, the new Tu-160Ms will not lose their significance.

    So that's the whole point. Most likely, PAK DA is being delayed indefinitely, which is why the Tu-160 had to be reanimated.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2022 14: 52
      -7
      And what is there to delay - the aircraft is much easier to develop and build than a supersonic bomber, especially since the engine for it is already being tested in a flying laboratory and it can be unified with the Tu 160, the same avionics, chassis, hydraulic system, armament suspension.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 14 January 2022 15: 12
      0
      Quote: BAI
      So that's the whole point. Most likely, PAK DA is being delayed indefinitely, which is why the Tu-160 had to be reanimated

      So that's the whole point.
      PAK YES is delayed because all the forces went to the Tu160.
      1. eehnie
        eehnie 14 January 2022 22: 43
        -2
        The return to production of the Tu-160 will ensure that the level of the Tu-PAK-DA will surpass that of the Tu-160. Otherwise, the Tu-160 will receive orders from the Russian Armed Forces.

        Russia is the world's technological leader in the field of strategic bombers, which has created its own line and appreciates the results.

        I have no doubt that the development of the Tu-PAK-DA will be completed within the time frame required to complete the development of new generation weapons and support materials.

        (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

        The return to production of the Tu-160 assures that the level of the Tu-PAK-DA will surpass the level of the Tu-160. Otherwise the Tu-160 will get the orders of the Russian Armed Forces.

        Russia is a technological leader worldwide on strategic bombers that created its own line and appreciates the results.

        I have no doubt that the development of the Tu-PAK-DA will be completed in the timeline to complete the development of the new generation of armament and auxiliary material.
  12. Glagol1
    Glagol1 14 January 2022 15: 18
    +1
    Now there are probably 16, combat-ready, most likely a little less. Plus 10 will be built. Stripes are already buying diaper futures. True, they are preparing their board, but it is still 10 years before the combat units. Or even more.
    The correct decision was on the 160th. According to PAK YES, you can work without haste. TU-160 is a grandiose platform for a long arm.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 14 January 2022 20: 27
      +2
      - There is nowhere to disperse it - there are so many suitable airfields ... In theory, they should be covered in the first hours of the war, with the first salvo of enemy ICBMs and ballistic missiles on nuclear submarines ...
      1. Roman_vh
        Roman_vh 14 January 2022 23: 34
        -2
        So I'm wondering, is there something that can satisfy all the "desires" of local regulars?
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 15 January 2022 01: 22
          0
          - It must be done - then it will be. Otherwise, no...
  13. Outsider
    Outsider 14 January 2022 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Bez 310
    For such aircraft, the range and duration of the flight are very important, and "supersonic" limits precisely these parameters.

    To quickly reach the missile launch line and quickly get away from enemy fighters. In addition, now there are engines with non-afterburning supersonic, though so far only on fighters. If you create for the Tu-160, then the duration of the supersonic flight will increase significantly. That will give a tactical advantage.

    - Such a project does not have the slightest chance of being realized!
    Take a look at what's in the global trend today: subsonic stealth missile carriers, B-21 USA, H-20 in China:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-21_Raider
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-20
    Tu-160 - today is archaic, the last century, it is no longer suitable for the Third World War.
  14. Outsider
    Outsider 15 January 2022 01: 21
    +1
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Outsider
    Today it is no longer needed - nowhere and no one. Today, Russia needs a long-range subsonic stealth missile carrier capable of operating from the ground - both in winter and in summer.

    No one has a strategic bomber capable of landing in the field.

    - Tu-16 could, Tu-95 could.
    Quote: Outsider
    Lt. does the Air Force reserve know what dispersal is ?!

    A strategic stealth bomber will not be able to land in the field.

    - And this is how you do it!
  15. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 15 January 2022 18: 55
    0
    A very correct decision.
    They are well aware that the KLA / Tupolev will thwart the PAK-DA for 20-25 years and have insured that they will not be left without strategists.
  16. Azimuth
    Azimuth 16 January 2022 23: 40
    0
    Quote: CastroRuiz
    A very correct decision.
    They are well aware that the KLA / Tupolev will thwart the PAK-DA for 20-25 years and have insured that they will not be left without strategists.

    Yes. There is simply no time, you need it tonight and no later than tomorrow morning. Moreover, for the same PAK DA, it was necessary to restore a lot of production, a strategic bomber is not a maize bomber, everything needs to be rolled back on the already known one.

    Tu-160s have already flown to Venezuela, it is quite possible they will start flying more often. Even one strategist diverts forces and means that the Su-35 regiment never dreamed of.
  17. SF127
    SF127 19 January 2022 02: 33
    0
    An epoch-making event happened in Russia the other day: the first Tu-160 bomber, built from scratch in Russia according to a recreated Soviet project, took off into the sky. Many do not know, but this aircraft made its first flight already in 1981, and mass production began in 1984.

    40 years have passed. They broke the old country, with an inefficient planned economy, which, according to the president, could not produce anything but galoshes. And no one needed those galoshes. We have built a new country, correct and democratic, with fair elections and an efficient market economy. And suddenly it turned out that this newest country was not even able to produce galoshes.

    For the technologies are gone and everything needs to be recreated. And in 2022, after 40 years of breakthroughs, accomplishments, incessant victories over the “bloody scoop” and bringing the West to its knees, we are proud that we are stupidly able to repeat the successes of our ancestors 40 years ago and somehow rivet one galosh with the last of our strength by putting a new insole inside (the project is modified!). And this is still a solid success, because a few months ago we were proud of repeating Belka's success with Strelka 60 years ago when we launched Yulia Peresild with a cameraman into space!