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Someone else's platform and their own components. Reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost-R"

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"Outpost" of the basic version

In the recent past, the Russian army received the first Forpost-R reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicles. This drone was developed on the basis of a foreign model, produced in our country under license. As a result of deep modernization, it completely switched to domestic components, and also acquired new functions and capabilities.


Foreign experience


History the current project "Forpost-R" dates back to the end of the XNUMXs. By that time, an understanding of the need for modern UAVs of all classes had already appeared in our country, but the competence for the development and production of equipment of some classes was lacking. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense was forced to use foreign products.

In 2009, the Russian army acquired two Searcher II unmanned systems from the Israeli company IAI for study and experience. The tests were completed successfully, and the following year a contract was issued for the licensed assembly of such equipment at Russian sites. The licensed UAV received the designation "Outpost". The assembly of such products was first set up at the Kazan Helicopter Plant, and then transferred to the Ural Plant of Civil aviation (Yekaterinburg city).

The Israeli-Russian agreement provided for some degree of production localization. The Russian side made some of the units independently, but the key components were supplied from abroad. Thus, Forpost retained imported control systems, optoelectronic devices, an engine, etc. It is noteworthy that we received export-made products with understated characteristics.

Experienced "Forpost-R" preparing for the first flight, 2019

To date, the Ministry of Defense has acquired several dozen Forpost complexes, each of which includes three UAVs, a command post and auxiliary equipment. This technique is capable of carrying only optical-electronic systems and is intended solely for reconnaissance.

Despite all the limitations in terms of characteristics and functions, "Forpost" was a necessary and important acquisition. With the help of licensed UAVs, it was possible to provide the army with the necessary equipment and close one of the main niches before the appearance of its own developments. In addition, they allowed us to gain experience for the further creation of our own projects.

Ways of modernization


"Outpost" as a platform had a certain modernization potential and could receive new functions. In this regard, in the second half of the tenth years, the development of a modernized UAV, which received the designation "Forpost-R", began. The main goal of this project was assigned a complete transition to the use of domestic components. In addition, it was planned to supplement reconnaissance functions with shock capabilities.

In August 2019, UZGA completed the production of the first prototype "Forpost-R" and began its flight tests. Almost simultaneously with this, new components and assemblies of domestic development were presented, intended for this UAV and capable of replacing foreign counterparts.


Factory and government tests of the upgraded drone took place in 2019-20. At the same time, the first contracts for the production of serial complexes with new UAVs appeared. In the future, the Ministry of Defense has repeatedly announced the acceptance of such equipment, and deliveries will continue.

By now, the army has received several new unmanned systems, and they are already finding practical application and solving all the main tasks. For example, in September last year, during the Zapad-2021 exercise, the Forpost-R UAVs not only conducted reconnaissance, but also attacked a simulated enemy with specially designed small-caliber bombs.

Design improvements


The Forpost-R project provided for the preservation of the general architecture and the main design features of the drone while simultaneously replacing all key units. The main goal was the rejection of imported components and the use of domestic counterparts, incl. having an extended set of functions. As shown by tests and exercises, these tasks were successfully completed.

The deeply modernized Forpost-R UAV looks similar to the base IAI Searcher II. A composite glider with a developed fuselage and a double-girder tail section, a straight wing and a fixed landing gear has been preserved. The layout remains the same: the target equipment is located in the nose and center of the fuselage, and the engine is placed in the tail. In the manufacture of the airframe, Russian materials are used that fully meet the requirements of the project.

The imported UAV is equipped with a Limbach L550 four-cylinder petrol engine with less than 50 hp. The Forpost-R project provides for its replacement with the Russian APD-85 85 hp engine. A new two-bladed propeller of domestic design was also introduced.


A complete replacement of control systems and the use of Russian software are announced. However, the list of new units has not yet been announced. It is known that Forpost-R received Russian navigation, communication and control aids that fully comply with modern domestic standards.

Payload


The UAV retains the ability to conduct surveillance and reconnaissance. To do this, its payload can include at least two optics options. The Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant has developed the GOES-540 station, and the NPP Aviation and Marine Electronics offers the GOES-4 product. Earlier it was reported that GOES-540 is considered as the main option, and the other station will be optional.

These products are built using different components, but share common functions and characteristics. Both stations are equipped with a gyro stabilizer and have a day and night channel, as well as a laser rangefinder with a target illumination function. With their help, you can conduct reconnaissance and determine the coordinates of objects, as well as issue target designation, incl. directly guided weapons.

The fundamental innovation of the "Forpost-R" project is the ability to carry and use weapons... To do this, under the wing of the drone, there are two external suspension units, on which small-sized small-caliber ammunition can be installed. At present, various enterprises are developing a number of missiles and bombs of this class. In the future, they will be used by both Forpost-R and other UAVs.

The use of guided weapons in the Zapad-2021 exercises

An example of such a weapon is the KAB-20 aerial bomb, the use of which was shown during the Zapad-2021 exercises. This product weighs approx. 20 kg and carries only 7 kg of explosive. At the same time, it uses satellite or laser guidance, due to which high accuracy and efficiency is ensured.

Effective approach


A series of UAV projects "Forpost" demonstrated an interesting approach to the creation of new technology and the development of promising areas in general. Not having its own sample of the required class, the Ministry of Defense acquired a foreign one. This technique made it possible to equip new unmanned units, which then gained the necessary experience.

Subsequently, this experience and our own developments ensured a deep modernization, as a result of which only the basic platform remained from the original "Outpost". This made it possible to concentrate all forces on updating the complex of equipment and weapons. At the same time, the losses in characteristics due to the peculiarities of export and import were made up, and fundamentally new opportunities were obtained.

In its current form, "Forpost-R" retains a certain technical similarity with the Israeli IAI Searcher II, but receives the most serious advantages. Thus, the Russian project provides for the use of a more powerful engine that improves flight performance. Newer, more efficient and stable electronics have been used, the creation of which took into account the experience of the last decades. The key difference is the ability to carry and use weapons.

"Outpost-R" became one of the first Russian reconnaissance and strike UAVs that passed all tests and ended up in the army. Serial production of such equipment has been successfully mastered, deliveries in the interests of the Air Force have already begun and are scheduled for several years in advance. At the same time, the production of the most important sample no longer depends on imported products and technologies. All this allows us to talk about the successful completion of the project, pin great hopes on the new UAV and, not without reason, believe that it will justify them.
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  1. vervolk
    vervolk 13 January 2022 18: 25
    .
    and how many spiteful critics were there who lied that Russia "has lagged behind in terms of UAVs"? and that we don't have our own components?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 January 2022 18: 42
      +7
      Quote: vervolk
      and how many spiteful critics were there who lied that Russia "has lagged behind in terms of UAVs"? and that we don't have our own components?

      Well, until they did it, they lagged behind, but when they did it, they caught up.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 13 January 2022 22: 56
        +6
        Now I’ll throw it on so I’ll throw it on the fan. And who approved the purchase of Israeli technologies, for a very tidy sum. Hated by everyone: SERDYUKOV. hi drinks Happy New Year, according to the old style. We are already booming with might and main. Finally, sobriety is the norm of life. drinks
      2. Puzoter
        Puzoter 14 January 2022 06: 53
        -1
        This is a tactic - "one step behind." Allows, with a slight lag, to save a lot of money on research. They waited for the partner / conditional opponent to create an effective model, took it as a basis and riveted their own ones. This technique allowed the USSR to lag behind the United States in the arms race at much lower defense costs.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 14 January 2022 09: 48
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          Quote: puzoter
          This is such a tactic - "one step behind." Allows you to save a bunch of grandmas on research with a slight lag.

          you are right in terms of savings, but still you always have to be "one step behind"
          at all times, technological advantage often gave victory in battle.
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 14 January 2022 23: 46
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            In battle, it gave, only the economy did not pull out the war. It is better to make three 34s than one Tiger - proven by history.
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 15 January 2022 09: 46
              -1
              Quote: puzoter
              In battle, it gave, only the economy did not pull out the war. It is better to make three 34s than one Tiger - proven by history.

              tell that to soldiers with muzzle-loading weapons who met the enemy with breech-loading weapons.

              the latter gave at least three times as many volleys in one period of time.
              as an example.

              ps
              according to your logic, why make 100 T-34s if you can make 5000 Renault-FT model 1917 using the same resources?
              1. Puzoter
                Puzoter 15 January 2022 11: 25
                +1
                No, you did not read carefully what I wrote.
            2. Vissarion Golubov
              Vissarion Golubov 19 January 2022 14: 12
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              According to this postulate, the Guards TA burned down in the oncoming battle, they could not approach the "Tigers" ...
        2. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 14 January 2022 11: 32
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          Quote: puzoter
          This is a tactic - "one step behind." Allows, with a slight lag, to save a lot of money on research. They waited for the partner / conditional opponent to create an effective model, took it as a basis and riveted their own ones. This technique allowed the USSR to lag behind the United States in the arms race at much lower defense costs.

          Or maybe it would be faster and better to act like the Iranians.
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 14 January 2022 23: 44
            -1
            No better, no faster. The USSR / Russia has its own experience through the roof.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 15 January 2022 13: 36
              +1
              Quote: puzoter
              No better, no faster. The USSR / Russia has its own experience through the roof.

              If so, then why did they buy decommissioned complexes from Israel and swing for so long?
              1. Puzoter
                Puzoter 16 January 2022 14: 34
                0
                Because they decided so. Can you do better and cheaper? Do it.
                1. SKVichyakow
                  SKVichyakow 16 January 2022 14: 51
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                  Quote: puzoter
                  Because they decided so. Can you do better and cheaper? Do it.

                  Do you think that this is the answer, because because, correct? Now I'm not surprised why we moved forward so slowly.
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        3. Looking for
          Looking for 14 January 2022 18: 21
          +1
          a piece of plywood with a motor - is there a lot of "research is needed? They hang noodles on their ears. Projects of such" liners "in Soviet times" middle students of aviation universities. successfully "defended"
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 14 January 2022 19: 17
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            Quote: Seeker
            piece of plywood

            Composite.

            Quote: Seeker
            how much research is needed?

            Software is the most difficult thing in any modern complex.
            How many do-it-yourselfers in / in Ukraine burned out with their projects of unmanned tanks and aircraft ...

            Quote: Seeker
            middle students of aviation universities successfully "defended"

            An example in the studio, please.
            1. this
              this 14 January 2022 20: 29
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              Not software at all, software is not a problem for us to make, but electronics.
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 15 January 2022 10: 39
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                Quote: tohoto
                software is not a problem for us to make

                Problems arise at every stage, including software development.
                Of course, you can find guys who speak C and Assembler.
                But writing software and getting a tested working product are two big differences.
                This is orders of magnitude more complicated than the IL-2 flight simulator, or WOT.

                Quote: tohoto
                and here is the electronics

                I agree with electronics, also a problem.
                Everyone knows where the Russian Federation imports components from.
                But both the US and the rest of the world get most of the details "from there."
                Therefore, even the automotive industry of auto giants depends on the supply of electronics from Asia.
                Do you agree?
                1. Martin
                  Martin 19 January 2022 15: 57
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                  Quote: Mister X
                  Of course, you can find guys who speak C and Assembler.
                  It's not done that way smile
                  To develop software, especially for "polite" technology, "patty loners" who know how to use C are not taken. Teams of specialists work here who have proven themselves in other projects, for starters - civilian ones. By the way, this also applies to electronics. Imported components - yes, so far a problem for domestic equipment. Therefore, we can afford to fight with the Hindus, and we must cooperate with the Celestial Empire for as long as possible. And we have professional teams of circuit engineers, they work.
                  1. Mister X
                    Mister X 19 January 2022 20: 54
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                    Quote: Martyn
                    “patlaty loners” are not taken

                    I agree.
                    I will add that it can take years to develop and fine-tune.
                    Even a banal online store on PHP requires 300-600 hours.
                    Depends on functionality.
                    And for military software, orders of magnitude more resources are needed.

                    At one time, I published a series of articles "Reconnaissance robot for the ATO zone".
                    It also casually mentions problems with software for drones.
                    1. Martin
                      Martin Yesterday, 16: 27
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                      Quote: Mister X
                      And for military software, orders of magnitude more resources are needed.

                      If the UAV is already in the army, then the work on the software has not only been completed, but also passed all the stages of testing. I don’t know about the rest, but the software that ensures the operation of the engine is updated regularly already in operation. "There is no limit to perfection." ©
      3. Sling of David
        Sling of David 14 January 2022 09: 46
        +11
        The author just forgot to mention that the IAI Searcher II itself was decommissioned in Israel 13 years ago.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 14 January 2022 11: 36
          +5
          Quote: David's Sling
          The author just forgot to mention that the IAI Searcher II itself was decommissioned in Israel 13 years ago.

          So that's why they sold it to us, because they themselves have already written it off. They sold it to us in 2009.
        2. this
          this 14 January 2022 20: 31
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          There, only the shell remained old, and I don’t care how these whatnots look there, they are not planes at all.
          1. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 17 January 2022 11: 25
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            Quote: tohoto
            There, only the shell remained old, and I don’t care how these whatnots look there, they are not planes at all.

            you can hear it for miles.
      4. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 14 January 2022 09: 56
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        In the recent past, the Russian army received the first Forpost-R reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicles. This drone was developed on the basis of a foreign sample, produced in our country under license.

        is the author embarrassed to name the country of origin?
        dare, where is the courage?!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 14 January 2022 11: 50
          +7
          Quote: Maki Avellievich

          is the author embarrassed to name the country of origin?
          dare, where is the courage?!

          Is it bad to read the article beyond the first paragraph? wink
          In 2009, the Russian army acquired two Searcher II unmanned systems from the Israeli company IAI to study and gain experience. The tests were completed successfully, and as early as next year a contract for licensed assembly of such equipment at Russian sites appeared. The licensed UAV received the designation "Forpost".
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 13 January 2022 18: 51
      +5
      how many were spiteful critics

      And a lot of them are on duty here, so that they can immediately throw on the fan.
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        1. Secutor
          Secutor 14 January 2022 00: 06
          0
          internet law
          "Complaining about cons, you get cons"
          request
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 14 January 2022 09: 24
            0
            I'm not complaining, I'm stating a fact. There are such kids on the site on the sly. quiet people, crap .. Like the Israelis, hiding behind someone else's plane, they are shelling peaceful states ... Or from someone else's territory. And they call it military cunning.
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 14 January 2022 09: 53
            +3
            Quote: Secutor
            internet law
            "Complaining about cons, you get cons"

            continuation of the law - "Complaining about the cons, you're a jerk"
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 14 January 2022 08: 11
        -2
        Quote: puzoter
        waited for the partner / conditional adversary to create an effective model, took it as a basis and riveted their own

        Quote: Stepan S
        And a lot of them are on duty here, so that they can immediately throw on the fan.

        1 The partner did not rivet anything, but sold for 400 thousand $ As you understand, for that kind of money, you could have done it yourself, if you could.
        2 You would like to be the only source of information, even if it does not correspond in fact.
      3. Looking for
        Looking for 14 January 2022 18: 23
        +2
        yes, and there are no less "caps".
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 13 January 2022 19: 49
      +15
      Recently there was a publication of Skomorokhs, where he argued that it was more than sad for us with the UAV.
      So think how in reality?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2022 20: 13
        +9
        There are more and more UAVs produced in the world, their diversity is growing ... in general, there is something to work on, for the future.
        1. Andrey Moskvin
          Andrey Moskvin 13 January 2022 21: 44
          0
          Quite thoughtful.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 January 2022 22: 04
            +7
            Why climb into the jungle in which the "specialists" are already higher than ... the sky? and everyone has their own, the most correct opinion.
            I, personally, collected radio-controlled models of aircraft in the years since the 70s ... a lot has changed since that time, although in principle NOTHING ... the fuselage, wings, tail "empennage" and a fiery engine !!!
            Oh yes, the electronic filling ... back then, you had to assemble it yourself ... there were no Chinese plug-in kits!
            1. kytx
              kytx 14 January 2022 04: 44
              +4
              A lot has changed. The drone flies by itself, you don’t need to pilot it, but you just need to show where to fly. There were electronic systems ols, radar, rangefinders, etc. This fundamentally changes things.
              And the physics of flight is described in detail at the turn of the 19th-20th centuries.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 January 2022 09: 54
                +1
                No question ... and will continue to change! Faster, higher, smarter.
                There will come a moment and fundamental changes ... this is progress.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 14 January 2022 18: 30
              +1
              there was no main thing - all sorts of "offices" and "desk" giving out the primitive developments of their foreign partners for a "masterpiece of engineering" and selling them to Russian departments for "a small fraction"
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 January 2022 18: 44
                +1
                The problem is not in the offices, but as experts in the departments !!! It is difficult to distinguish a good VESCH, from a team of crafts, which has a place ... not a place in the troops, for example ???
                Sometimes not big, not parent enterprises create masterpieces! One must be able to distinguish them from handicrafts made by artisans.
                Everything is complicated / simple.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 13 January 2022 22: 59
        0
        Quote: vladcub
        Recently there was a publication of Skomorokhov

        In half the cases I guess this author by the title of the articles.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 14 January 2022 07: 45
          +3
          I recognize the names of the Samsonovs, and Skomorokh, by the way, is similar in style to his namesake. They have a fiery manner
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 January 2022 19: 37
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            Quote: vladcub
            I recognize by the names of the Samsonovs b.m.

            Him too.
      3. Romeo
        Romeo 14 January 2022 00: 51
        +6
        And don't listen to him. He is paid to write. Analyze yourself. Many sources
    4. Momento
      Momento 14 January 2022 00: 34
      +1
      The glass is either half empty or half full. everyone sees his own.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 14 January 2022 08: 25
        +1
        Sergeant Major Momento, removed from the tongue!
        In fact, it is quite possible that the author is right. We are able to catch up. I fully admit that this Forpost R surpassed its Israeli "dad" in flight characteristics, but in optics ....
        Bespectacled people will confirm: a lot depends on high-quality optics.
        And with optics we have .. Weak
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 14 January 2022 09: 46
          +1
          Quote: vladcub
          I fully admit that this Outpost R surpassed its Israeli "dad" in terms of flight characteristics,

          It's normal for children to outperform their parents.
          Given that the "daddy" "Searcher Mk II" was adopted by Israel in June 1998.
        2. Martin
          Martin 14 January 2022 15: 35
          0
          Quote: vladcub
          And with optics we have .. Weak

          I think the specialists of Shvabe, which supplies products to 95 countries of the world, will not agree with you.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 14 January 2022 19: 11
            0
            But "Forpost R" does not have: "Shvabe"?
            1. Martin
              Martin 19 January 2022 15: 47
              0
              Agree that “at the Forpost” and “at our place” are different things, if we consider that “at our place” is generally in Russia. I don’t know how the choice of optics for the Outpost took place. The choice of components in technology is generally associated with a lot of conventions, including subjective ones, which interfere with the optimal option. However, quite often (sorry, not always) optimization is achieved stepwise. First, some systems are brought to mind, they fight, as they turn out, then the next ones.
              The main thing is that there would be plenty to choose from.
    5. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 14 January 2022 08: 27
      0
      We lagged behind, because we didn’t do this, now we are slowly catching up.
      1. Momento
        Momento 14 January 2022 21: 25
        0
        UAVs are an industry where super large capital investments are not needed. and you can catch up very quickly.
        in my opinion, this lag is rather dictated by mines of defense. they just didn’t understand why they needed drones for a long time. but now it is simply not possible to ignore the successes of others. all recent conflicts have shown why drones are needed.
        I think soon they will be many and different.
    6. 2112vda
      2112vda 14 January 2022 15: 51
      0
      What is there? Dedicate please!
      Our ministers are full of "Gishpan cavaliers", English "sulfurs", German "gers" and other knights of all kinds of orders. But they are all "hyper effective managers" and "competent competent." That under the tsar-priest all our elites were hanging around Europe, that now our "bright-faced" are ready for an instant start to their foreign residences. It looks like they feel something with the "spinal cord".
  2. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2022 18: 46
    +2
    At the same time, the production of the most important sample no longer depends on imported products and technologies. All this allows us to talk about the successful completion of the project.

    We are just delighted ... Ours !!! Those. can when they want ...
    Is it bad when there is a strong army?
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 13 January 2022 20: 13
      +6
      What I sincerely don’t understand is that in a country, thanks to the legacy of the great USSR, which still produces modern fighters, and even strategic bombers, is it a problem to make an UAV glider and a piston engine for it ??? belay what
      1. Hermann
        Hermann 13 January 2022 21: 13
        +3
        The problem was to make a thermal imager with acceptable performance characteristics, the main thing is the electronic filling.
      2. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 14 January 2022 00: 07
        +3
        the problem is to make an UAV glider and a piston engine for it ??? belay what

        Just like in "Yeralash": Can you get a rocket?
        Can we fix the aircraft engine?
        How about making a key to the apartment? - No, we can’t, there are no blanks!
      3. Secutor
        Secutor 14 January 2022 00: 09
        -1
        The problem of optics and electronic filling. Systems that allow UAV weapons to be guided. And everything like that...

        Now anyone can assemble an airplane, but the rest is a snag.
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    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 13 January 2022 19: 16
      +4
      Well, you take it easy. And then I already received a warning for such a description of the author.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 13 January 2022 19: 51
      +3
      Doubt about Ryabov?
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  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 13 January 2022 19: 10
    +4
    UAV ... And "the other day" I read in one article that UAV is an outdated name! A more modern, and therefore more correct, name is UAV! What to do brothers-boys? Once I preferred to use the name UAV, but I have to give it up, because. UAVs were inserted everywhere! And I'm used to it, and everyone is used to it! Now what? Has "power" changed again? By the way, this is happening (happened) with many modern terms! At first, one expression is most often used ... they get used to them ... And suddenly some "bad", but in "ranks and in power" announces that we will write and speak differently ... how he "likes" him, and not as everyone is used to! This applies, for example, to the words flash drive and flash drive, realtor and realtor, karate and karate ... and so on! As for me, as I used the words in the usual way, so I will! (By the way, I prefer E ...)
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 13 January 2022 20: 01
      +5
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And "the other day" I read in one article that the UAV is an outdated name!

      be proactive
      since in 25 years the aircraft will most likely be largely unmanned, then they will be called by default aircraft
      and rare manned vehicles will be called ... PLA
    2. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 13 January 2022 21: 48
      +2
      I recently asked here why the UAV, because "unmanned" is written in one piece. Also, a dispute ensued.
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 13 January 2022 23: 44
        0
        - So it stuck. smile
      2. jonht
        jonht 14 January 2022 01: 32
        +2
        So it seemed like the decoding was like this "unmanned manned aerial vehicle" .... hi
        There is no pilot on it, yes, but a person controls it, while still .... hi
  5. Vintorez
    Vintorez 13 January 2022 19: 58
    +3
    Outpost is a good reconnaissance drone. Cameras with sufficient resolution. At night, you can turn on a thermal imager or a night vision camera, you can see everything perfectly.
  6. kostavit
    kostavit 13 January 2022 20: 02
    -6
    A year and a half ago, Outpost-R was shot down by the Syrians from Pantsir-S. The number of photos in the Arab media went through the roof.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 13 January 2022 23: 43
      0
      - Have you gone nuts, or what ?! Theirs - are they knocking down ?!
  7. Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 13 January 2022 20: 36
    0
    A bit unclear: there was an Israeli reconnaissance drone with a 50 hp engine. and a flight duration of 15-18 hours. Russian engineers stuck in an 85 hp engine, hung up bombs and declared... all the same 18 hours of flight. Magic?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 January 2022 23: 02
      0
      Quote: Torvlobnor IV
      Russian engineers stuck an 85 hp engine, hung bombs and claim ... all the same 18 hours of flight

      Well, he has a takeoff weight of 500 kg, while the IAI Searcher has 372 kg.
  8. Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2022 20: 42
    +3
    Quote: vladcub
    Recently there was a publication of Skomorokhs, where he argued that it was more than sad for us with the UAV.
    So think how in reality?

    Skomorokhov is a universal expert in everything. I mean, he thinks so.
  9. swan49
    swan49 13 January 2022 20: 43
    0
    Now a new term has been introduced in the Air Code. Not a UAV or UAV, but "Unmanned aircraft - an aircraft controlled, controlled in flight by a pilot who is outside the board of such an aircraft (external pilot)".
  10. shpon123
    shpon123 13 January 2022 21: 00
    0
    The fact that we have begun to do at least part of the UAVs ourselves is, of course, good, but we are 10-15 years behind the leading countries in this area.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 22
      -6
      on the strength of 2-3 years, and then because of the electronics
      1. Martin
        Martin 14 January 2022 15: 28
        -2
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        on the strength of 2-3 years, and then because of the electronics
        We are fine with electronics. And the software is fine. Organizational issues - yes, you need to optimize.
  11. ZeeD
    ZeeD 13 January 2022 21: 45
    +1
    It sounds strange: there was a sercher - they localized and it turned out an Outpost. We finished, finished, and then localized and localized ... Outpost R. turned out to be "Externally similar" to Sercher 2.
    So the question is: was it definitely finished and finished, or was Sercher 2 licensed again (so it looks like it), but what is the fruit of active work being served?

    I would be glad if you did. The author made a very suspicious footnote ... :-( * sad smile *
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 January 2022 12: 11
      -1
      Quote: ZeeD
      It sounds strange: there was a sercher - they localized and it turned out an Outpost. We finished, finished, and then localized and localized ... Outpost R. turned out to be "Externally similar" to Sercher 2.
      So the question is: was it definitely finished and finished, or was Sercher 2 licensed again (so it looks like it), but what is the fruit of active work being served?

      Why license Searcher II a second time? wink
      Russia bought a license for Searcher II and first assembled them in Kazan from original Israeli machine kits. Then UZGA took over the assembly, and some of the components (secondary) were already domestic. These UAVs were called "Outpost".
      In 2017, during Shoigu's visit to UZGA, the plant's management announced the development of a completely localized UAV based on Searcher II, then called "Forpost-M". Its first flight was planned for 2019. At the end of 2019, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of 10 complexes with these UAVs - already under the name "Forpost-R".
      1. ZeeD
        ZeeD 14 January 2022 13: 39
        +2
        If so, then this is called: they mastered the licensed assembly with modifications. ((
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 14 January 2022 19: 05
          -2
          Quote: ZeeD
          If so, then this is called: they mastered the licensed assembly with modifications. ((

          Not really. "Outpost" - yes, this is a licensed assembly with modifications. As the first AMO of the Ryabushinsky plant. But "Forpost-R" is already its own production.
          The difference is like between a Christie tank and a BT-5.
  12. tarakan
    tarakan 13 January 2022 21: 45
    -1
    Quote: Torvlobnor IV
    A bit unclear: there was an Israeli reconnaissance drone with a 50 hp engine. and a flight duration of 15-18 hours. Russian engineers stuck in an 85 hp engine, hung up bombs and declared... all the same 18 hours of flight. Magic?

    Did you neglect the load?
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 13 January 2022 23: 28
      -1
      Since the maximum flight time has not changed, it means that a supply of fuel was added to a more powerful engine. The drone has become heavier, but it is still unclear: 18 hours at Forpost-R - is it with bombs or in a reconnaissance setup?
  13. svoit
    svoit 13 January 2022 21: 51
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Well, until they did it, they lagged behind, but when they did it, they caught up.

    Well, to catch up, you have to go a lot, at least a start has been made, the road will be mastered by the one walking
    So far, we are still lagging behind noticeably, but there is still hope to reduce the gap from 20 to at least 5-10 years. But when will this bright future come?
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 23
      -4
      on the strength of 2-3 years, and then because of the electronics
    2. Martin
      Martin 14 January 2022 15: 43
      -1
      Quote: svoit
      Well, to catch up, you still have to go a lot ...

      And why did you decide that the modernization of the Outpost is just “caught up”? And not "caught up and overtaken"? After all, the article says that through import substitution, they received not a similar product, but an exceeding imported analogue. Since the purchase of the first sample 12 years ago, the element base, the internal combustion engine control algorithms, and materials science have stepped forward seriously.
  14. tarakan
    tarakan 13 January 2022 21: 51
    -2
    Quote: shpon123
    The fact that we have begun to do at least part of the UAVs ourselves is, of course, good, but we are 10-15 years behind the leading countries in this area.

    ???? More details? Application, production?
  15. tarakan
    tarakan 13 January 2022 21: 57
    +1
    My opinion is that the UAV is reconnaissance, target designation. The rest is fine and cheap and can be worked out from the "ground"
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 13 January 2022 23: 42
      +1
      - The deepest error! fool All cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are also UAVs! wink laughing
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp Today, 10: 39
        +1
        All cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are also UAVs!
        And anti-aircraft the same. In the late 50s, they were called "unmanned interceptor"
  16. Outsider
    Outsider 13 January 2022 23: 40
    +3
    Quote: vladcub
    Recently there was a publication of Skomorokhs, where he argued that it was more than sad for us with the UAV.
    So think how in reality?

    - "Everything is relative in this world!" Against the background of the United States, Israel and China - "shitty", against the background of third world countries - "hit!" laughing lol Everything is relative...
  17. Outsider
    Outsider 13 January 2022 23: 51
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    UAV ... And "the other day" I read in one article that UAV is an outdated name! A more modern, and therefore more correct, name is UAV! What to do brothers-boys? Once I preferred to use the name UAV, but I have to give it up, because. UAVs were inserted everywhere! And I'm used to it, and everyone is used to it! Now what? Has "power" changed again? By the way, this is happening (happened) with many modern terms! At first, one expression is most often used ... they get used to them ... And suddenly some "bad", but in "ranks and in power" announces that we will write and speak differently ... how he "likes" him, and not as everyone is used to! This applies, for example, to the words flash drive and flash drive, realtor and realtor, karate and karate ... and so on! As for me, as I used the words in the usual way, so I will! (By the way, I prefer E ...)

    - UAV - tracing paper from English, - UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle. But for a long time, in addition to UAV, UCAV appeared - unmanned combat aerial vehicle:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle
    So shta, trudging in the wake of bourgeois terminology, it would be correct UAV (UAV) - and, accordingly, UAV (UCAV).
  18. eehnie
    eehnie 14 January 2022 00: 11
    +1
    The technical level of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles was good during the Soviet era. At the end of the Soviet Union, research was delayed due to lack of funding, as in many other areas, but in this area, the rapid evolution of the concept of unmanned technology made the gap more evident.

    Another important fact is the small number of unmanned aerial vehicles that Russia inherited from the Soviet Union, since most of the Tu-141 and Tu-143/243/300 aircraft were deployed in Ukraine at the end of the Soviet Union. It is highly likely that Russia inherited a certain number of Tu-141s and a limited number of Tu-143s and about 90 Bees.

    In the early 2000s, the development of a new generation of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles began, but until the end of 2013 these were not new Russian drones that were technologically competitive for procurement for the Russian Armed Forces. It was a bid for 20 Tipchak units in 2008, but the batch purchases were rejected by the Russian Armed Forces.

    Apparently, in 2009, a contract was signed for the purchase of 8 I-View Mk 150 drones, 2 Bird-Eye 400 and 2 Searcher 2, which were delivered in 2011. Then, apparently in 2011, a new contract was signed for the local production of kits of 27 Bird-Eye 400, designated Zastava, and 10 Searcher 2, designated Outpost. An additional purchase of the I-View Mk 150 was rejected by Russia. The kits were received in 2012 and 2013 and the local production of the order was completed probably by the end of 2013. Outpost production was completed with the completion of the kits received. And Russia decided to continue its own production of Forpost, as described in the article.

    The earliest samples of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles of the new generation began to be delivered also before the end of 2013.

    In my opinion, the number of unmanned aerial vehicles received from Israel was too low to have a real impact on Russian military capabilities. In addition, the time lag between the delivery of Israeli drones and the arrival of the first new Russian drones was too small to have a real technological impact. It is necessary to take into account the tough Israeli conditions in contracts that prohibit the transfer of technology to Russia. Only the local production of Forpost after 2013 with import substitution made this model more important for Russia. I am inclined to think that the new generation of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles was developed by the own efforts of the Russian industry.

    All this led to the fact that until the end of the 2010s in Russia there were few unmanned aerial vehicles to deploy on the front lines.

    In fact, it is very likely that the drones Tu-141, Tu-143, Pchela, Tipchak, I-View Mk 150 and Bird-Eye 400 / Zastava are completely exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces. It is highly likely that they have been exhausted as targets for the development of new air defense systems and due to the strong training needs of hundreds of new UAV crews.

    This probably makes the "Forpost" the most experienced unmanned aerial vehicle in active service in the Russian Armed Forces. In fact, it is clear that the new Russian drones have surpassed the Outpost and are unlikely to stay in production for long. The production of the new Altius / Altair drone at UZGA makes this very likely. The outpost is still useful and will most likely be heavily used to exhaustion before becoming completely obsolete.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    The technical level of the Russian UAVs was good at the time of the Soviet Union. At the end of the Soviet Union the research was delayed by lack of funding, like in many other areas, but in this area, the fast evolution of the concept of unmanned technologies made the gap more evident.

    Other important facto is the low number of unmanned aircrafts inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union, because most of the Tu-141 and Tu-143/243/300 were deployed in Ukraine at the end of the Soviet Union. Very likely Russia inherited some Tu-141 and limited amounts of Tu-143 and around 90 Pchela.

    In early 2000s the development of a new generation of Russian UAVs started, but until late 2013 it were not new Russian UAVs technologically competitive for procurement for the Russian Armed Forces. It was a bid with 20 units of the Tipchak in 2008, but serial procurement was rejected by the Russian Armed Forces.

    Apparently in 2009 was signed a contact for the purchase of 8 I-View Mk 150, 2 Bird-Eye 400 and 2 Searcher 2 UAVs, that were delivered in 2011. Then, apparently in 2011, it was signed a new contract for local production from kits of 27 Bird-Eye 400, that received the Zastava designation and 10 Searcher 2, that received the Forpost designation. Additional procurement of I-View Mk 150 was rejected by Russia. The kits were received in 2012 and 2013, and the local production of the order was completed likely by the end of 2013. The production of the Zastava was finished with the end of the kits received. And Russia decided to continue with own production of the Forpost like explained in the article.

    The earliest samples of the new generation of Russian UAVs started to be delivered also before the end of 2013.

    In my opinion, the number of UAVs received from Israel was too low to make a real impact in the Russian military capabilities. Also the time gap between the delivery of the Israeli UAVs and the entry of the first new Russian UAVs was too short to make a real technological impact. It is necessary to take into account the strong israeli conditions in the contracts against technological transfer to Russia. Only the local production of the Forpost after 2013, with the import substitution, made this model more important for Russia. I tend to think that the new generation of Russian UAVs was developped by the own effort of the Russian industry.

    All it made that Russia had a low number of UAVs for deployment in the frontline until the late 2010s.

    Actually, very likely the Tu-141, Tu-143, Pchela, Tipchak, I-View Mk 150 and Bird-Eye 400 / Zastava UAVs are totally exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces. Very likely they have been exhausted used as targets for the development of the new air defense systems and by the strong training needs for hundreds of new UAV crews.

    It likely makes the Forpost, the most veteran UAV in active service in the Russian Armed Forces. Actually it is evident that the Forpost has been surpassed by the new Russian UAVs, and likely will not stay much longer in production. The production of the new Altius / Altair UAV in UZGA, makes it very likely. The Forpost still is useful, and very likely will be intensively used until total exhaustion before to become totally obsolete.
  19. DEDMOROZOV
    DEDMOROZOV 14 January 2022 09: 56
    +1
    Quote: vladcub
    Recently there was a publication of Skomorokhs, where he argued that it was more than sad for us with the UAV.
    So think how in reality?

    Turn on your brain if you have one and compare the performance characteristics of this wretched craft, at least with a bayraktar about reaper or gray needle, I am silent
    Well, the details of the performance characteristics of Global Hawk or Triton can drive you into depression, so I don’t advise
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 14 January 2022 11: 03
      +1
      Turning on the brains, you can see that Global Hawk and Triton are products of a completely different class. Both a manual coal wheelbarrow and KAMAZ transport goods, but they belong to completely different groups of products.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 15 January 2022 13: 22
        +3
        Until you build the An-2, you will not build the An-225. Design experience is being developed. So far, we have ordered a "coal wheelbarrow" from Israel. laughing laughing hi
    2. this
      this 14 January 2022 20: 36
      0
      You compare their sizes before sketching, orion is a classmate of bayraktar.
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 January 2022 10: 49
    0
    The "Surcher" itself is quite a popular device, many people bought it under license .... and the USA and Europeans.
  21. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 January 2022 16: 40
    +2
    Ten years, copying is clearly not in a hurry. With the union, they would have done it in a couple of years.
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 15 January 2022 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      Ten years, copying is clearly not in a hurry.

      Yes, in ten years, they made the insides of an Israeli UAV from the 90s. A breakthrough! wassat wassat hi hi
  22. svoit
    svoit 14 January 2022 20: 31
    0
    Quote: evgen1221
    With the union, they would have done it in a couple of years.

    How much did it take for the B-29? I think 2 years
  23. Timur_3
    Timur_3 15 January 2022 06: 14
    0
    Yes.
    Lies, she is.
  24. fa2998
    fa2998 15 January 2022 13: 17
    +1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Well, until they did it, they lagged behind, but when they did it, they caught up.

    Licensed production, or just copying, these are yesterday's models. The author took up their development 10-20 years ago (in our case, the Israelis showed a sample in 1998, which means they were developing 30 years ago), while they mastered copying, organized production, there already New models. hi hi
  25. stankow
    stankow 15 January 2022 16: 12
    0
    The aerodynamics of the fuselage is clumsy. An early sample? Export model probably.
  26. Valery Vl.
    Valery Vl. 15 January 2022 19: 05
    +1
    Once upon a time, in the palaces of the pioneers, there were excellent sections for ship modeling, aircraft modeling, and radio engineering. If they had not gone in cycles in the destruction of ideology and had not buried them together with the communist future, then Israel would not have had to turn. Where now to raise future engineers for the same military-industrial complex? There are no sections, the school is lost, hundreds of thousands of boys poke their fingers into the screens of foreign smartphones, playing tanks. Here's what to think about.
    1. bovi
      bovi 16 January 2022 00: 13
      +1
      everything is lost!
      and grandfathers somehow could, right?
      No, no, it's all gone, you don't understand anything!

      In the 90s, the Russian Federation lost its independence in domestic politics, and only with stamina and ingenuity could it live for 30 years with faggots in the brain. One of the tasks of the liberal team was to eradicate the competitive advantage of the former Soviet people. Naturally, the education system was formatted according to the fashionable consumer profile.
      It's all being decided. It doesn't take long to realize how important this is. But for some reason it seems to me that people like Serdyukov, who are blamed, but then it turns out that something there, thanks to it, determined for years to come ... - this is all for a reason. Ask yourself: who kept the national course of the Russian Federation in the bacchanalia of betrayals?
      In short, while the Russian has a point, he rarely thinks sensibly about his own survival. So let us wish to learn wisdom in fat years and in the era of change to learn more than yesterday.
  27. bovi
    bovi 16 January 2022 00: 27
    -1
    Regarding the "lag" for years, kmk is stupid speculation. When the army abandoned the searcher, new directions and new requirements for flying aircraft appeared. And these requirements are known from the examples of the developed devices. Naturally, the possession of such devices gives the experience of acceptance and feedback in the form of new technical specifications. So, has Russia lagged behind for a long time or a short time? They have recently taken a full spoonful of experience, they have familiarized themselves with the best samples, their own base for deepening understanding has already matured ... All that may be missing is a sound organization of order - research - production. Expertise is needed and will is needed, and it’s a pity to even discuss the technical issues of kmk.
    In the coming era of turbulence, it will be important to maintain or develop connections where it seemed yours did not exist. The same developers of electronic and optical systems who spoke Russian yesterday, then worked in Israel, may end up in the South Caucasus. Ordinary people who want money to raise children. Even if they do not want this in Mordor, I did not notice any patriotic ideas behind them.
  28. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 16 January 2022 00: 41
    0
    Quote: David's Sling
    The author just forgot to mention that the IAI Searcher II itself was decommissioned in Israel 13 years ago.

    Thank you fellow countryman.
    And it has not yet been indicated that one Israeli general sneered fiercely on Israeli TV at the Russians, who were "charged" with junk.
    Such passages take place regularly in the Russian-Israeli "cooperation".
    The dodgy Zionists sold our moldy ministers, ancient junk, so that Russia, violating contractual obligations, would not deliver the S-300 to Iran then.
    Then, having studied our complex, with partners (to develop countermeasures), they (the Zionists) condescendingly allowed Russia to fulfill these obligations.
    The Iranians have not forgotten this.
    But what to do if even the software that collects data about us to fight terrorism in Russia is using Israeli software.
    Thanks to the Israeli relatives (daughter and grandchildren) of one of our ministers!