UAVs in Global War: From Concepts to Action

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Expeditionary Wing 432 operators pose with an MQ-9 Reaper at Creech Air Force Base, Nevada. Photo source: US Air Force

For many years, most opponents of UAVs in Russia have often used the very dubious thesis of unsuitability as a key argument. drones to action in a global war.

It is very difficult to call such a point of view justified - the entire world experience of using drones says the opposite. So, for example, during the Cold War, the forces of the North Atlantic Alliance, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities in Europe, were going to use several thousand disposable BQM-74 UAVs to "open" the air defense of the Warsaw Pact bloc. A wave of these target drones was supposed to reveal the Soviet radar stations, which were planned to be hit by the HARM PRLR. No less significant was the defeat of the Soviet-Syrian grouping in the Bekaa Valley, known as Operation Medvedka-19 - an important role in identifying and destroying anti-aircraft missile divisions supplied by the SAR from the Soviet Union was played by Israeli small reconnaissance UAVs Tadiran Mastiff, IAI Scout and even outdated American-made AQM-34 Firebee drones.



Over the past decades, NATO has only improved its concepts and tactics of using military drones. Unfortunately, for Western countries, their value was obvious, while the Russian armed forces lost several decades, breaking spears in the debate on the topic "is it fit for war with a serious adversary?" All this time, the military of the Alliance has been developing its UAV fleet, every year better and better adapting it for operations in conditions of a large-scale military conflict.

From an article by Colonel General Grigory Pavlovich Yashkin, Chief Military Adviser in the Syrian Armed Forces “We fought in Syria. There were not only advisers there ":

“A group of electronic support for the strike was created. This group included unmanned reconnaissance aircraft such as "Scout" (Israel) and "Fireby" (USA). Flying over the positions of SAM-6 air defense missile systems, they conducted a live television broadcast of the image to the command post. Receiving such visual information, the Israeli command made unmistakable decisions to launch missile strikes. In addition, these same unmanned aircraft jammed. They tracked the operating frequencies of the radar and guidance equipment of the Syrian missile systems. Moreover, playing the role of "decoy", causing the fire of the Syrian air defense systems, the reconnaissance aircraft diverted it from the combat aircraft. "

Particular attention is paid to UAVs by the American armed forces and the military-industrial complex. So, a few years ago, Northrop Grumman began developing a special drone control system commissioned by the US Air Force. This is a large-scale project of deep modernization of the software of unmanned aerial vehicles, designed for, perhaps, the most unfavorable military scenario of all possible - the complete destruction of the US satellite constellation and subsequent hostilities, even in an atomic war.

The system was named Distributed Autonomy / Responsive Control - DA / RC and is already under active practical testing in the US Air Force. The Pentagon plans to soon begin a large-scale modernization of the entire fleet of American drones, and without any deep work directly on the "hardware" of the aircraft.

The project is intended to give the US Air Force drones the ability to operate almost completely autonomously from external control systems - in fact, without direct operator control and interaction with external communication sources. But the main highlight of the project is the creation of specialized software that will allow drones to independently process and analyze the data received. According to representatives of Northrop Grumman, the computing power of the UAVs in service are being used ineffectively - their potential capabilities make it possible to issue a comprehensive analysis of the tactical situation based on information collected by drones during combat or reconnaissance operations.

In addition, the communication and control system of drones itself is being modernized - it is becoming unified and domain-wide, and is fully consistent with the concepts of network-centric warfare. Now, even the destruction of the main command posts will not guarantee that the drones will be left without control or will be chained to the ground - absolutely any communication terminal will be able to assume the role of command post.

The last forty years of the development of military affairs can be called the era of high-precision weapons... Now, the United States of America and its allies are entering a qualitatively new era in which autonomous intellectual weapons rule the ball.

MQ-9 Reaper - reaper of global war


The United States Air Force does not limit its drone deployment to theoretical groundwork, laboratory research and limited testing. By no means, the US Air Force is actively working on the organizational and logistical structure for the use of drones, even in conditions of enemy dominance in the theater of operations. As mentioned above, these are completely discouraging scenarios - such as large-scale atomic attacks on the military infrastructure of the US Armed Forces, disruption of the chain of command, and a global lack of communications.

Quite eloquently, this approach describes the development of long-range flights of the MQ-9 Reaper, which the US Air Force is conducting in the Pacific Ocean. As can be judged from open sources, such events have recently been held regularly. In fact, they are logistic exercises: military personnel are trained to operate UAVs from non-specialized command posts, and to service them at airfields using a limited amount of equipment and tools. In addition, these flights are carried out using exclusively untrained personnel who do not know how to refuel, service and operate drones. In short, the US Air Force has demonstrated to themselves the incredible flexibility of drones.

As a vivid example of such events, one can cite the ACE REAPER exercise, which was conducted by the US Air Force from September to October this year on the basis of the 556th Test and Assessment Squadron. MQ-9 Reaper automatically took off from Creech Air Force Command Base in Nevada and flew unattended to a Marine Corps base in Hawaii, where they automatically landed.

As mentioned above, after landing, maintenance and refueling was carried out by untrained personnel in the person of the marines. Then MQ-9 made training flights directly to Hawaii, performing patrol and reconnaissance missions, after which new technical teams were trained in their service (they were different for each flight). Very interesting in this stories one more point - pre-flight training was carried out according to a shortened schedule prepared especially for unskilled personnel and took only 20 minutes (instead of the standard 3 hours). It is also worth noting that the Air Force did not just work out close cooperation with the Marine Corps - the latter is actively training within the framework of the new MCDP 7 doctrine, developed by Commandant David H. Berger. The doctrine includes the large-scale use by the Corps of attack unmanned aerial vehicles of various types, incl. from pre-fabricated (within XNUMX hours) field airfields.


An MQ-9 Reaper is on the runway at Creech Air Force Base. Photo source: US Air Force

From Hawaii, MQ-9 flew to Andersen Air Force Base, located on the island of Guam. It is noted that the flights were carried out with a minimum number of connections with the devices - in fact, they moved without any reference to satellites (which, in fact, was laid down in the terms of reference when developing the Distributed Autonomy / Responsive Control - DA / RC system, about which was said earlier).

On the basis of "Andersen" UAVs were planted by hand, but with the help of a not quite standard control center - it was a computer station used for pre-flight testing of aircraft on-board systems. Maintenance was again carried out by untrained personnel, and with a minimum amount of equipment and personnel: only a cart with hand tools, an independent power source in the form of a generator that powered the pump for pumping fuel - in a word, this "logistic complex" devoid of sophistication imitated the harsh conditions of wartime ...

The US Air Force drew very interesting conclusions from the measures taken, having found out that such a high-tech device like the MQ-9 Reaper can be serviced and remain functional with a 90% reduction in technical personnel, a 95% reduction in equipment required for technical maintenance, and a 100% reduction in equipment required to take off and land an attack drone. The experiments of the American Air Force clearly demonstrate that UAVs can be used in the most non-standard and unfavorable conditions - in the event of the destruction of air bases and the loss of a large number of qualified technicians, or directly on the front line, where even soldiers without special training can serve them without any problems, which is very important for the planned military operations against China (most of which will fall on operations with the capture of the islands and the organization of field bases on them).


The MQ-9 Reaper performs a training flight over the Nevada Proving Grounds. Photo source: US Air Force

A further and no less interesting experiment with the participation of UAVs is planned for the next, 2022 - MQ-9 Reaper will take part in the exercises "Valiant Shield 2022", where they will actively interact with the forces fleet and the Marine Corps. There, the capabilities of their field service under a reduced program will be tested in conditions close to combat - and, perhaps, the organizational and conceptual conclusions of these activities should be looked at no less carefully than the results of the ACE REAPER exercises.
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  1. +10
    30 December 2021 18: 25
    UAVs have already become an integral part of any war. In the 30s, they will replace manned aircraft. There are already a lot of projects of jet UAVs, they have the main advantage: there is no fragile person.
    1. -10
      30 December 2021 18: 54
      This is also the main disadvantage - non-standard and "illogical" decisions during the battle
      1. +7
        30 December 2021 19: 21
        Quote: Krasnodar
        This is also the main disadvantage - non-standard and "illogical" decisions during the battle

        This made sense at the beginning of the aviation era, when there was a minimum chance of a 1v1 battle and that flight was the smallest tactical unit. Now the system is at war against the system, with several types of aircraft and hundreds of them. These systems do not accept initiative and non-standard solutions from its elements; strict and unquestioning execution of the order is necessary. At the command level, on the contrary, these qualities are needed, but it is there that the person will be present.
        1. -3
          30 December 2021 20: 27
          In some situations, it is this non-standard behavior that can radically change the course of the battle between hundreds of units))
      2. +5
        30 December 2021 19: 21
        Non-standard and illogical actions in most cases lead to death. And only in very rare cases can they surprise someone. And then these cases become a legend.
        1. -3
          30 December 2021 20: 29
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          Non-standard and illogical actions in most cases lead to death. And only in very rare cases can they surprise someone. And then these cases become a legend.

          Non-standard and illogical actions are performed when you face obvious death
          1. 0
            1 February 2022 22: 35
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Non-standard and illogical actions are performed when you face obvious death

            What army did you serve in, dear, that such thoughts swarm in your head ?! For this, the political officer beat him on the head with a stool! In battle, you must act exclusively according to the combat charter! And the recommendation "Act according to the situation" in no way implies that the combat charter can be sent to ...!
        2. +2
          31 December 2021 11: 17
          A classic example of survivor error.
    2. 0
      31 December 2021 00: 52
      Tell me, would Iran be able to land the RQ-170 strategic drone if there were a "fragile person" there?
      Tell me, why is Israel, NIFIGA, who used drones so successfully in Syria, does not use drones in Syria?
      Well done, right, drones, yes, they have evolved, oh, they have evolved ... So what? Iran arranges exhibitions of downed American ones, in Syria after the first attacks - silence, the Houthis who shot down Bayraktars have long been abandoned - tired of it.
      Drones will play their role, but there is no need to sculpt a panacea out of them, especially from IMPACT, about which it is said that they are only good for barmaley. It is about the sect of amateurs such as Bayraktars! And strategists in a shock version - Iran has repeatedly shown how terrible these strategists are to it.
      What does the author have to do with the "one-time breakthroughs PYVYO"? Whose air defense to break through - Barmaleev? Did someone say about them that barmaleevs were good enough to drive?
      Moreover, even these do not whip - there are imitation missiles, MUCH cheaper than a drone - for without brains
      1. +5
        31 December 2021 16: 46
        Would Iran be able to land a strategic drone RQ-170 if there were a "fragile man" there?


        The RQ-170 crashed due to a technical malfunction, as Lockheed Martin engineers repeatedly reported during the incident. If there were a pilot, the device would have fallen with exactly the same probability.

        Tell me why Israel, which used drones in Syria so successfully, NIFIGA does not use drones, in Syria


        Because Israeli UAVs do not carry long-range air-to-ground missiles and are not designed to replace strike aircraft ... all of a sudden, right?

        Iran arranges exhibitions of downed American


        For 20 years, Iran has shot down as many as ... 9 American UAVs. I studied this topic in detail, looking for information on the formation of the Iranian aviation industry.

        the Houthis downed Bayraktars have long been abandoned - they are tired of


        With such fact-checking, you would, comrade, better not write anything about UAVs at all.

        1. The Saudis have no Bayraktars.
        2. The Houthis shoot down Chinese drones from the Saudis, which are much worse than Western models - they, for example, are entirely made of aluminum and shine on radars.

        especially from the IMPACT, about which it is said that they are only good for barmaley


        This is said mainly by amateurs and military retirees with knowledge of the 80s, who have a poor idea of ​​how strike UAVs generally operate.

        Iran has repeatedly shown how terrible these strategists are to it.


        I understand that it is already NG, but you also need to have a snack - there are strategic reconnaissance UAVs, but there are no drums as a class. By the way, the RQ-170 was not even a "stealth", but for years it flew over Iran and over the DPRK, and over strategic defense facilities. One crashed aircraft for dozens of flights is ridiculous, dear.

        Whose air defense to break through - Barmaleev?


        The Soviet military - barmaley, since their air defense was broken through with the help of UAVs (moreover, the first generations)? Okay, so we'll write it down.

        there are imitation rockets, MUCH cheaper than a drone - because without brains


        Here you have expressed the first common idea, but the absolute misunderstanding of the role of drone UAVs in this case leads you to a false conclusion.
    3. -1
      31 December 2021 02: 19
      Moreover, his eyes, brain and animal instinct for survival are absent.
    4. +1
      31 December 2021 05: 02
      It is necessary to understand fundamental things if we are not talking about "teasers" for air defense.
      IMPACT UAV is only an element of a very large and complex UAS system, by no means the most complex and not the most expensive, and therefore until a "new era in which autonomous intellectual weapons rule" (in the XXII century, if the UN allows) it is extremely closely depends on satellite communications and navigation, respectively, here is the "Achilles' heel" of the UAV. Otherwise, we forget about precision weapons.
      That is why they talk about the UAV as a "weapon of the barmaley and against the barmaley." Until they turned off the GPS. But these are flowers.
      The United States with the most powerful satellite communications constellation is actively and successfully developing the direction, but even they have strict restrictions on the number of simultaneously operating UAVs (do not lift more than 4 RQ-4Bs!).
      And so now StarLink is flying in batches to help the Pentagon.

      Where are we going? We have a very bad connection with satellite channels; in the Arctic, such communication does not work. The "Messengers" grouping is capable of transmitting SMS within 53 hours. StarLink will not save, inclination XNUMX °, Peter lacks, does not work to the north.
      Orions and others are turning into RPVs, into rc-drones with line-of-sight flights. Flying repeater tricks are theoretically possible, but practically unable to compete with broadband VSAT.
      1. 0
        4 March 2022 14: 18
        You can be considered a connoisseur and this is commendable. However, physicists must understand that the transition to more energy-efficient principles for the transmission of an El magnetic impulse in space is a decision of fundamental importance. And I'm not talking about the aspects of mathematics embodied in the algorithms for the transmission of these impulses that are unattainable to the enemy or, on the contrary, affect the information channels for transmitting information.
    5. 0
      4 January 2022 14: 28
      Anyone other than nuclear ...

      The "software" gadgets mentioned by the author of the modernized US and NATO UAVs (RPVs) in any case are implemented "through hardware." And if the mentioned "hardware", in parallel and synchronously, is not brought to a higher level of resistance to the "influence of factors", then there will be no sense from the software bells and whistles, no matter what "autonomy" they provide, there will be ...

      For, when using nuclear weapons, "suffers" (to the level of destruction of an irreparable nature), first of all, iron. About the so-called "failures" with the possibility of subsequent, full or partial restoration of functioning, I do not even mention ...

      Yes, the US and NATO have money and are doing useful work. But, their attempts to assert that it "even" in the event of a nuclear war, will provide "autonomous functioning", this is to do lies ...

      In the event of a hypothetical destruction of the satellite constellation, yes, it will allow, in part, to maintain autonomy and controllability. But nothing more ...
  2. +8
    30 December 2021 18: 44
    When we got Orion, then they almost stopped writing about the fact that UAVs are suitable in a war only against the barmaley.
    It's just that, until recently, we did not have an attack UAV, but the United States did, therefore, UAVs were not suitable for a war with a serious enemy.
    And so, yes, of course, anyone understands that today the UAV is very important, both in a full-scale war, and to drive the barmaley.
  3. +6
    30 December 2021 18: 46
    Yes, the Americans turned out the Reaper. For them, this is already the second generation. A real rider of the post-apocalypse. When all the main bases are burned and the few surviving combat aircraft worth hundreds of millions of dollars are left without maintenance, drones will fight.

    Our military seems to have to be kicked and kicked. Very slowly they are realizing the lag in this most serious branch of the troops. Last week, only the assembly of the Orion assembly hangar in Dubna was completed. But is there anything to collect from, while the silence. The story about engines that locate, wait and see, and optics, which is not understood who produces, has long been reminiscent of a fairy tale about a white bull.

    Moreover, you have to be able to use drones. Instead of endless waiting, it was necessary for a long time to buy a couple of dozen shock Chinese, and start practicing the use, albeit at a foreign base.
    1. +10
      30 December 2021 20: 16
      Why should we kick our military? The problem is not in them, but in the country's technological impotence. As soon as the sanctions were introduced, almost all high-profile high-tech projects were blown away. Due to the almost complete technological dependence on the West. If the engines for the Navy and aviation ours still pull, then microelectronics is unlikely. Especially considering the actual plans of the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the "development" of domestic microelectronics, which under Stalin would have been unequivocally defined as sabotage and subversive activities in favor of the United States.
      Buying Chinese drones is yet another sabotage and subversive activity, only in favor of China. After that, together with the developers of microelectronics, UAV manufacturers will also die out.
      1. 0
        30 December 2021 20: 46
        Quote: Passing by
        Why should we kick our military? The problem is not in them, but in the country's technological impotence.

        What is so super-tech in light-engine aircraft engines in essence? Range 500-900 HP Twenty years ago, there have been a bunch of proposals in this regard. Nothing implemented, nothing localized. On the contrary, everything flowed to the west is produced there.

        Quote: Passing by
        Buying Chinese drones is yet another sabotage and subversive activity, only in favor of China. After that, together with the developers of microelectronics, UAV manufacturers will also die out.

        And now we have to wait when our microelectronics manufacturers will mature and learn something? And only then start to think? Today, without our own application practice, we cannot even clearly formulate the requirements for UAVs. Americans and Jews will definitely not share their experience of real combat use. There is no doubt that the requirements for the performance characteristics of the same Orion are formed by scratching in the back of the head and picking in some kind of ear. We do not have our own combat practice. And waiting until a few dozen Orions are smashed until the experience is gained is also stupid. All this must be done in parallel. No time to scratch and sway!
        1. 0
          30 December 2021 22: 34
          Quote: Saxahorse
          What is so super-tech in light-engine aircraft engines in essence? Range 500-900 HP

          It depends on what performance characteristics in the UAV to lay. In aviation, the engine weight / efficiency complex is critical, a modest advantage here gives an immodest advantage in flight duration and range. In addition, the Rotax piston type can copy and is not a problem, but only for a large UAV it is not suitable, because the resource of the aviation piston is depressingly small, and the UAV implies constant vigil in the air. With a piston, an uncompetitive misunderstanding will turn out. Therefore, we need a turboprop. And at the same time, so that it is economical as a piston. And this sounds like fantasy. But the Americans did it, in MQ-9. For they own super technologies.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          And now we have to wait when our microelectronics manufacturers will mature and learn something?

          It's pointless to wait. Such things do not spontaneously arise from desire or need. They are cultivated.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Today, without our own application practice, we cannot even clearly formulate the requirements for UAVs.

          We will buy Chinese, formulate the requirements, and what next? We won't have microelectronics anyway. And accordingly, without the permission of the West, there will be no worthy and, most importantly, massive domestic UAVs. Wasted money. Or rather, not down the drain, but to finance the Chinese / Western superiority over us.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          No time to scratch and sway!

          Microelectronics has been nurtured for decades, by billions, by the best minds. If there is no time, there is no money for a long time, minds are questionable, then you can safely go and dig yourself a hole 2 meters deep. And it is better not to give money to the Chinese, but to burn it. At least we will warm ourselves up for last.
        2. 0
          4 January 2022 15: 26
          "Today, without our own application practice, we cannot even clearly formulate the requirements for UAVs."
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          Objective requirements for the performance characteristics of any weapons and military equipment (UAVs / RPVs) are determined by the availability of the practical ability to predict as accurately as possible in the medium and long term the nature of wars and military conflicts in which the country may have to participate. And I'm not convinced that our military, here in some way the United States, NATO, Beijing or Tel Aviv are inferior ...

          As for the aforementioned "practice of combat use" of UAVs by Israel or the United States, it is, frankly, very "local". For neither Washington nor Tel Aviv have ever encountered a military adversary with a high and massive modern air defense / missile defense potential and personnel who have the skills to operate it competently ...

          And how much the performance characteristics of their UAVs / RPVs will be adequate in this case, it is also written with a "pitchfork on the water" ...

          So far, they cannot defend Israel's territory even from the permanent strikes of Palestinian and Hamas, semi-handicraft "MLRS". And if these strikes are "not effective", it is only because the "MLRS" have low accuracy performance characteristics, and not because the Israeli air defense / missile defense or UAVs are "very effective" ...
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    2. +1
      4 January 2022 15: 12
      No need to kick our military ...

      It is necessary to kick the "non-our" politicians who were in power and their "advisers" who brought our state practically to the stage of complete collapse and left the Armed Forces for a decade and a half, practically without funding ...

      For us, in case of the so-called. "big war", both in the hypostasis of the USSR and in the hypostasis of "present" Russia, it was and remains important to PRACTICAL PROVISION of the possibility of GUARANTEED DESTRUCTION of the main MILITARY enemy and his so-called. "allies", and not some kind of "victory" over him ...

      And it is GUARANTEED to provide this REAL POSSIBILITY of REAL MILITARY deterrence in any conditions of the situation, only the presence and constant, PRIORITY, improvement of nuclear potential (both "strategic" and "non-strategic") allows. Especially in conditions when the country does not live off the "printing press", but is forced to clearly build defense priorities and, accordingly, costs ...

      And UAVs (RPVs) in the event of the aforementioned war, there is only "one" of the possible means (platforms - carriers) of delivering nuclear weapons to the designated target. No more...

      Well, and under "normal" conditions, of course, an effective means of monitoring the situation in any theater and conducting "conventional" military operations in a local or regional conflict. It does not pose a threat to the existence of the Russian state ...

      So, everything has its place and its own "queue" in the list of priorities ...
      1. +2
        4 January 2022 17: 55
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        No need to kick our military ...

        Are you afraid the dust will fall off? Yes, many financial standards for senior command personnel have been canceled, strong and fit generals are no longer in trend.

        Quote: ABC-schütze
        AND IS GUARANTEED to provide this REAL POSSIBILITY OF REAL MILITARY deterrence

        The theory of "containment" is based on the so-called "unacceptable losses" for a potential adversary. Today's epidemic has raised a big question in this part of the theory .. In the states, there are already over 800 thousand dead and the elite does not even itch, they see no reason for fussing about because of the mass death of ordinary Americans. And why do you think that the death of 10-20 million in the event of our retaliatory strike worries them greatly? They themselves, in advance, have looked after a bunker somewhere on the outskirts of civilization. Moreover, as the initiators of the war, they have the opportunity to secure themselves and loved ones in advance.

        Quote: ABC-schütze
        So, everything has its place and its own "queue" in the list of priorities ...

        Apparently, you think that the military, who make decisions, are never wrong, and even more so in no case participate in the endless fuss of large corporations to divide the budget. Unfortunately, not every project looks perfect, even from the outside. The famous low-speed and unarmed corvettes of the project 22160 have long been raising questions, and nothing, they still continue to be built. I'm not talking about super-projects like Poseidon. There is little information on them, but the idea itself back in the time of Sakharov, 60 years ago, was rejected, underwater explosions against the enemy's coast are ineffective. If "Kuz'kina's mother" was considered of little use in this version, then why has this been invented over the past couple of years?

        No matter how you look, you are wrong .. The military needs vigilance and readiness more than ever today.
        1. 0
          5 January 2022 12: 51
          "The theory of" containment "is based on the so-called" unacceptable losses "for a potential adversary. Today's epidemic has raised a big question at this point in the theory ..."
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          Not on some unacceptable "losses", but on inflicting unacceptable damage on ALL the enemy's state potential - economic, military, demographic, environmental, political, administrative and managerial, scientific (and not just "people-population"). More precisely, it is in the context of global nuclear deterrence - IRREVERSIBLE damage. In contrast to the definition of "unacceptable", which is the result of rather subjective interpretations, the threshold of damage beyond which the IRRESOLUTION occurs can be quite objectively determined. For this, the reference to the American "losses from covid" does not cause any "question" in anyone. For, in the context of the topic under discussion, this is a link "to nowhere" ...

          "And why do you think that the death of 10-20 million in the event of our retaliatory strike worries them greatly?"
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          Counter-counter, this is a "beautiful theory". Yes, such options for action should be planned. But the potential of the Russian strategic nuclear forces should be such as to ensure the GUARANTEED infliction of irreversible damage to the aggressor in the course of a deep retaliatory strike. Those. when the bulk of its warheads have already reached our territory. For this, the potential of our strategic nuclear forces should obviously not be "reasonably sufficient", but "sufficiently redundant." In order to GUARANTEE DESTROY, and not at all "bother" the "them" you mentioned ...

          "It seems that you think that the military, who make decisions, are never wrong, and even more so they do not in any way participate in the endless fuss of large corporations to divide the budget. Unfortunately, not every project looks perfect even from the outside."
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          The priority of strategic nuclear forces as the most effective means of strategic deterrence and ensuring global stability is no longer a "project", but a theory PROVEN BY SEVEN DECADES. That is, it is quite an objective scientific approach. And if there is anything a "mistake", it is only a voluntaristic and populist ignorance of the mentioned theory. Let's say, in the form of a transition to some kind of "nuclear zero" ...

          "About super-projects like Poseidon, I am completely silent. There is little information on them, but the idea itself was rejected in the time of Sakharov, 60 years ago, underwater explosions against the enemy's coast are ineffective."
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          60 years have passed since the idea of ​​"Sakharov's time". Technological capabilities, especially in the development of nuclear weapons and carriers with nuclear power plants, have grown by an order of magnitude. And Russia is a world leader in this. While in the field of UAVs (RPVs), Russia will be nothing more than "one of the many" few "... That is to say, out of 10 - 15 world manufacturers ...

          So, this means that there are no grounds for a change of priorities and the "surrender" of unequivocal leadership in the nuclear sphere (civil and military), "in favor" of one of the niche areas. Yes, useful and promising, but in the context of strategic containment - just "one of ..."
          1. +1
            5 January 2022 21: 32
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            More precisely, it is in the context of global nuclear deterrence - the damage that is irreversible

            We already have catastrophically insufficient warheads to cause irreversible damage. even for all the cities of the United States is not enough. You quote commercials and nothing more. the Americans have been in advance for a long time, the threshold for strategic nuclear forces has long been below this irreversible ..

            Quote: ABC-schütze
            not a "project", but a PROVEN PRACTICE OF SEVEN DECADES theory.

            Apparently, therefore, everyone has amicably hammered into this theory and pretend that the remaining warheads after numerous reductions are enough to scare the enemy. And the enemy himself, yeah, pretends to be afraid like ..

            Quote: ABC-schütze
            60 years have passed since the idea of ​​"Sakharov's time". Technological capabilities, especially in the development of nuclear weapons and carriers with nuclear power plants, have grown by an order of magnitude. And Russia is a world leader in this.

            In general, complete nonsense. Nothing more powerful than a 10MT warhead has appeared since then. The futility of coastal explosions is proven by the low efficiency of detonating a thermonuclear warhead in a shallow, coastal layer. The same warhead, detonated in the air in the same place, will be ten times more effective in destructive effect.
  4. +2
    30 December 2021 22: 18
    Quote: Passing by
    under Stalin would be unequivocally defined as sabotage and subversion in favor of the United States

    Well, yes. And they would put everyone who could pull out this microelectronics. Don't be under the illusion that a technological leap can be made with such simple methods as repression. And under Stalin, some branches of science were simply destroyed. For example, cybernetics or genetics are the venal wench of capitalism. Need to work. Long and hard, and not wave a saber.
    1. +1
      31 December 2021 02: 48
      Quote: eckons
      Well, yes. And they would put everyone who could pull out this microelectronics. Don't be under the illusion that a technological leap can be made with such simple methods as repression.

      Oh, these echoes of the dumbest propaganda of the 90s. Repression is a secondary factor, a consequence of industrialization not by market methods. And the primary (if not to touch on Marxism) - in 1928 Comrade. Stalin declared a departure from the Leninist NEP, i.e. departure from the "magic hand of the market", and taking a course on planned industrialization. Those. carried out by command-and-control methods. And the result was stunning. For us, the present is stunning. After some miserable 25 years, by 1953, the USSR turned from an agrarian darkness into a superpower directly competing in industry and science with the United States and the West. What illusions there can be, everything is extremely obvious.
      Quote: eckons
      Stalin, some branches of science were simply destroyed. For example, cybernetics or genetics are the venal wench of capitalism

      Another set of propaganda manipulations from the 90s.
      There really was a persecution of genetics. But you don't need to deal with the substitution of entities, and hang all the dogs on Comrade. Stalin. Genetics was not dispersed by Comrade. Stalin, but the leading elite from science. Under the yoke of dirty politicized rhetoric and the authority of comrade. Lysenko. Stalin, on the other hand, imprisoned anyone, it was indiscriminate, either geneticists or Lysenkoites. And the reasons there were not at all in genetics, but in the absence of a result, or for the "enemy" worldview. Genetics did not particularly suffer from this, because the plantings of biologists were generally sporadic. And she suffered from the mass dismissal of "geneticists" in '48. Inspired comrade. Lysenko. Agree, these are two completely different phenomena - repressions of the NKVD "for nothing", at the behest of Stalin, and a dirty intradepartmental struggle against massive dismissals of opponents.
      About the persecution of "cybernetics" is generally an absurd propaganda manipulation. Manipulation of terms. There was no persecution of automation systems, computers and electronics in general under Stalin, and could not have been, because all this was urgently needed for science, industry and weapons systems, and therefore there was funding and all-round development and borrowing of the best world experience. It was under Stalin that the first computers appeared in the USSR. Criticized, however, were strictly selective fragments of the newly emerging American "cybernetics" concerning government systems, deduced by Winner from the analysis of complex computer systems. For in those days the only true doctrine about society could only be Marxism-Leninism, another heresy and pseudoscience. Everything else, directly related to control systems and computers, was carefully adopted and developed in every possible way. It was simply called differently, such as the theory of control systems or something similar.
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        1 January 2022 00: 10
        Quote: Passing by
        And she suffered from the mass dismissal of "geneticists" in '48. Inspired comrade. Lysenko

        The fact that Lysenko was a layman knew 90% of Soviet scientists. It's just that Lysenko realized that one should show oneself not to the scientific community, but to the powers that be, then to Stalin. And Stalin and his organs, the NKVD-MGB, had already arrested and shot all Lysenko's competitors. You understand that not a single biologist could instruct the guards of the Saratov prison to starve Vavilov to death, and investigator Khvat to destroy the results of scientific expeditions and diary entries in these expeditions of N. Vavilov to search for new varieties and remove topographic plans from British fortresses on Afghan border, on which the USSR spent fabulous sums in the interwar period. Any scientist, even a geographer, even a biologist, would have tore Hvat to pieces for his crime against Soviet science and cursed his descendants by forbidding them to hold leading positions in the country for what their ancestor-saboteur and pest had done.
  5. -2
    31 December 2021 02: 16
    The UAV construction plant in Dubna is opening - they delightfully explain to us what kind of cool America. Wow "review".
  6. 0
    31 December 2021 03: 11
    Quote: Passing by
    For us, the present is stunning. In some pitiful 25 years

    For us, the current ways of that industrialization would be overwhelming. The majority still whine about how bad they live. Try to tell them that for 25 years you will have to deny yourself everything, and only then.
    Quote: Passing by
    hang all the dogs on comrade. Stalin. Genetics was not dispersed by Comrade. Stalin, but the leading elite from science.
    Well, you see the ingenious management of Comrade. Stalin was not saved from the fact that some kind of elite was doing lewdness. So now there will be some kind of top.
    It is not a question that reindustrialization is needed, the question is whether it is needed by such methods now.
  7. 0
    31 December 2021 17: 14
    I do not quite agree with the author of the article that our military did not realize the role of drones in a possible war with the West. In any several design bureaus of the aviation industry, including the design bureaus of Tupolev and Lavochkin, back in the 60s, the development of various drones, including heavy ones, was assigned, and our Scientific Research Institute of SA in the 70s was tasked with the development of an ACS by Air Force units that were supposed to be equipped with drones. https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/202011271227-bOHfw.html
    And it is not the fault of the Customer and the developers of the UAV and related ground systems that with the coming to the top of power of the "peacemaker" Gorbachev, and then the "terminator" Yeltsin, all these projects were, to put it mildly and roughly speaking, fucked up.
    And then a course was taken for close cooperation with a potential enemy, i.e. with the West, including in military-technical areas, as a result of which we now have what we have, including a serious lag behind the West in terms of creating a variety of UAVs
  8. 0
    1 January 2022 18: 05
    If you look at the statistics of the use of UAVs, then one interesting question arises. And where is at least one military conflict with active opposition against the UAV by the other side. And not just opposition, but opposition at the same technological level?
  9. 0
    6 January 2022 09: 50
    Quote: Passing by
    Buying Chinese drones is yet another sabotage and subversive activity, only in favor of China. After that, together with the developers of microelectronics, UAV manufacturers will also die out.

    Strange opinion. The purchase of Israeli drones was beneficial, and Chinese attack drones can be bought, including for their study, accelerating the development and production of their own.
  10. 0
    9 January 2022 14: 08
    Quote: gsev
    The fact that Lysenko was a layman knew 90% of Soviet scientists.


    But Vavilov, it seems, was not in the know. It was he who put forward Lysenko, Lysenko was his student.
    And it was Lysenko who did everything to preserve the unique collection of plant species collected by Vavilov.
    At the insistence of Lysenko, an institute was created in Leningrad, in which this collection was preserved, having survived the blockade.
  11. +1
    9 January 2022 14: 13
    Quote: eckons
    Quote: Passing by
    under Stalin would be unequivocally defined as sabotage and subversion in favor of the United States

    And under Stalin, some branches of science were simply destroyed. For example, cybernetics or genetics are the venal wench of capitalism. Need to work. Long and hard, and not wave a saber.


    How could Stalin destroy cybernetics if it did not yet exist in the USSR?
    As for genetics ... this scientific discipline was especially zealously developed in the Third Reich, with its help the Germans brought a scientific basis for their racial theory and carried out monstrous eugenic experiments. So the prejudice against the "Weismanist-Morganists" in the post-war USSR is understandable.
    It remains to add that modern genetics has little in common with the dogmas of the then "formal geneticists". Approximately, as quantum mechanics - with the doctrine of Democritus about atoms.
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      9 January 2022 14: 29
      So the prejudice against the "Weismanist-Morganists" in the post-war USSR is understandable.
      It remains to add that modern genetics has little in common with the dogmas of the then "formal geneticists".

      Khrushchev hung all the dogs on Lysenko. Although he was not against genetics, he was against the development of virgin lands, he believed it was necessary to restore agricultural production in the central regions of the country that suffered from the occupation. Vavilov wrote a bunch of denunciations against Lysenko, although he didn't really do anything for the country, unlike Lysenko. Lysenko did not write a single one. Thanks to the Lysenko method of minting cotton, we were able to increase the production of gunpowder during the war, for which Lysenko received the Order of Lenin. And this is just one example of Lysenko's merits.
  12. 0
    11 January 2022 09: 49
    Quote: Saxahorse
    Yes, the Americans turned out the Reaper. For them, this is already the second generation. A real rider of the post-apocalypse. When all the main bases are burned and the few surviving combat aircraft worth hundreds of millions of dollars are left without maintenance, drones will fight.


    No, they will not do. They also need maintenance, control, communications, intelligence, a GPS system.
    Do you think all this will exist after "all the main bases are burned"?
    Doubtful.
  13. 0
    11 January 2022 09: 53
    Quote: Saxahorse
    We already have catastrophically insufficient warheads to cause irreversible damage. even for all the cities of the United States is not enough.


    And for all it is not necessary. It will be enough to destroy a hundred cities.
    Have you calculated the consequences of such a blow? What will happen to the economy, finance, infrastructure, public administration?

    In an exchange of nuclear strikes of equal power, US casualties would be three times higher than that of Russia.