Parabellum for the police. Safety, security and more safety

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Rice. 1. Policeman P.08, equipped with a Shivi fuse, with a police-type holster (author's photo)

Safe handling weapons increased attention has always been paid, both in the army and in all units of other state power structures, such as, for example, the police. Rigorous adherence to strict safety rules from shooters is required in sports. And these requirements are almost identical in all countries of the world. But non-combat losses of personnel due to incidents with weapons, especially in peacetime, unfortunately, have occurred, are occurring and, alas, will continue to occur. According to unofficial statistics, about 50% of such losses among law enforcement officers are due to a disdain for the observance of security measures when handling weapons.

What this leads to, I had to face while serving in the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSVG).



After standing up for a day in a detachment for the database, I went to the regiment headquarters to hand over my service PM to the gunsmith. I went to the door of the Duty officer's room, and ... I heard a shot. Then there was a ringing silence, which was interrupted by a selective mate. I open the door, and I see - there is a pale ensign with a Makarov in his hand, a meter away from him at the window - a shelf officer with a face as white as chalk and a cigarette in his hand. And three more officers yell at the ensign, scolding him with the very last words.

What happened?

The culprit of the commotion bluntly violated the order of unloading the Makarov pistol. The standard procedure is to first remove the magazine, then pull the bolt back to make sure there is no cartridge left in the barrel. Then - the control trigger release and setting the weapon to safety.

Either a sleepless night in a dress, or just slovenliness, but the ensign first mechanically pulled the bolt, then took out the magazine and pulled the trigger. The cartridge, of course, remained in the barrel, and there was a shot. By a lucky coincidence, the bullet did not hit anyone in the rather cramped room and after a triple ricochet flew out the window past the attendant. The captain, by the way, has gone through Afghan twice, has seen a lot and experienced. But, according to him, for the first time in his life, literally speaking, he was so wildly scared.

It must be said that in the process of evolution of firearms, not only their lethal abilities were improved, but also devices that make them safe to use.

For example, the 6-round Colt Walker capsule, developed in 1847, was only loaded with 5 rounds for safety reasons, so that the empty chamber could be installed opposite the trigger, which allowed the shooter to safely carry a loaded revolver without fear of accidentally dropping it. or strike, inadvertently initiating a shot. Moreover, all the charged chambers in front were smeared with grease in order to avoid the ignition of the gunpowder in them from accidental sparks when fired (also a kind of fuse).


Rice. 2. A shot from the Western "Dead and Fast" directed by Sam Raimi, where at the 27th minute the process of charging the Le Mat primer revolver is shown in detail. Finishing operation - the front drum chambers are thoroughly smeared with fat

The appearance of the unitary cartridge saved the shooter from performing this procedure. Nevertheless, the same famous Colt Peacemaker was still recommended to be loaded with only five rounds.

Adopted by the French army twenty-six years later, the revolver "Chamelo-Delvin" M 1873 already had a trigger with a release of the trigger, which, when the trigger was not pressed or released after a shot, was retracted a few millimeters back. In this position, the hammer of the hammer did not touch the cartridge primer located in the drum chamber, which made it possible to carry the weapon completely safely in a fully loaded position.

Later, the trigger mechanisms of revolvers were equipped with the so-called transfer rods, which did not allow the striker to reach the cartridge capsule in the revolver drum, if the trigger was not pressed. Which made the weapon even safer.


Rice. 3. Revolvers: Abadi model of 1886, equipped with a trigger trigger (above), and a Sturm Ruger Speed ​​Six of the 1970s with a transfer bar in the trigger (below) (photo by the author)

The advent of self-loading pistols gave impetus for further development and safety devices for them. Especially considering that, unlike revolvers, it was impossible to visually determine if there were cartridges in the pistol magazine.

Fuses of various types and purposes were born. Some - blocked the trigger or drummer, not allowing them to be released from the combat platoon and thereby firing a shot. Others - the trigger, still others - whispered. Some were triggered by forced rotation / movement of the key / button, others - when the pistol grip was covered with a hand, and still others - when the magazine was inserted / removed.


Rice. 4. Pistols equipped with various fuses. From left to right: Sauer 38H has a safety trigger system and a safety catch; Frommer 37M - safety cocking of the trigger, handle and lever fuses; Luger 1900/06 - handle and lever fuses; Hungarian FIREBIRD and Spanish Star B - trigger guard and safety lever (photo by the author)

The flight of the designers' thought was not limited to the vastness of their imagination ... But this "flight" did not always lead to the desired results. The presence of safety devices, manual or automatic, definitely made the weapon safer to use.

But was the possibility of an unauthorized shot always excluded?

If, say, the design features of a weapon make it possible to fire a shot from it in an abnormal situation, be it accidentally or intentionally, then this is most likely a miscalculation of the designer and, accordingly, the imperfection of the design of his brainchild (we do not take into account the malfunction of the weapon in this case) ...

And it is not always possible to compensate for such shortcomings only by strict adherence to the requirements and rules for the safe handling of weapons set out in the user manual or operating instructions for each specific sample. As a rule, in such "manuals" they are reflected in great detail and with all the nuances.


Rice. 5. Page of the original operating instructions for P.08 (flick.com)

Dangerous Parabellum


But, alas, it is impossible to foresee everything.

The human factor has not been canceled - as experience shows, this is the main source of danger and the overwhelming majority of accidents, be it anywhere at work, on the road, at home or at work. And the use of various safety devices is one of the solutions to this problem.

But sometimes that doesn't help either. And then additional protection is required - the so-called "protection from the fool", acting automatically, without the need for a person to participate in its activation.

A similar situation has developed with the famous Parabellum.

The experience of using a pistol in the army and the police has revealed one unpleasant feature of the weapon. The design of the 08th and the procedure for its incomplete disassembly did not rule out the possibility of an unauthorized shot with a partially disassembled pistol, if a live cartridge remained in the chamber. To do this, it was enough to accidentally press the sear before removing the bolt group from the receiver.


Rice. 6. That very dangerous point - accidentally clicking on the sear in this place when the drummer is cocked - and a shot can occur if there is a cartridge left in the chamber (author's photo)

The danger of such an unintentional shot was recognized by all P.08 users. Therefore, in order to avoid such incidents, the command of the army and fleet In Germany, instructions, posters, and illustrated leaflets were regularly published to train personnel in the safe handling of the Pistole 08.

Parabellum for the police. Safety, security and more safety
Rice. 7. An educational wall poster for the Luftwaffe, issued by the commander of the anti-aircraft forces: "Beware: danger here." The sear is highlighted in red and the cartridge is shown in the chamber. The Lance Corporal, disassembling the pistol, approached the sear dangerously with his left thumb.

But the leadership of the German police considered such measures insufficient.

And it has taken additional and more radical steps to minimize such incidents with the P.08, which usually occurred when weapons were taken apart for cleaning.

It happened against the backdrop of stormy historical events that shook Germany after the First World War.

Police of the times of the Weimar Republic


On November 9, 1918, the leftist revolution overthrew the Kaiser and on November 11 forced Germany to conclude an armistice. The Reich ceased to be a monarchy, a parliamentary form of government was established. The Weimar Constitution entered into force with its signature by President Friedrich Ebert on August 11, 1919.

In the newly created republic, there were few organizations to maintain order. There was no nationwide police. There were internal affairs bodies of individual states included in the federation. Because all police powers were delegated in accordance with the new constitution to the seventeen states of Germany. Prussia was the most powerful among them.

In addition, there were voluntary law enforcement organizations in the Länder - the Public Police (Gemeindepolizei). Also separately in each state there were state security organs, for example, the Prussian political police (Preußische politische Polizei), etc.

In addition to the organized police, governed by the land (state), there were quasi-military organizations (eg Freikors, "Steel Helmet") that performed police duties. The Weimar Republic also laid the foundation for the so-called security police (Schutzpolizei, SchuPo), a unit whose main purpose was law enforcement, patrolling, receiving applications, controlling roads, searching, etc.

The existence of such a "diversity" of police forces in one state could not last long. Centralization was needed. Hitler's rise to power hastened it. On June 16, 1936, the National Police was created under the leadership of Heinrich Himmler. The state power structures of the Lands lost their autonomy.

After the First World War, weapons in Germany remained in abundance, including the Parabellum pistol, which had proven itself in war. Therefore, he was adopted by the police.

The real danger of accidental firing when disassembling a P.08 with a cartridge in the chamber was recognized early in his service with the Prussian police in the 1920s. Police captain Gustav Schmidt, in Waffentechnisches Unterrichtsbuch fur den Polizeibeamten, first published in 1923, illustrated this with his improvised accidental firing device.


Rice. 8. Device for demonstrating the possibility of accidental firing when disassembling a P.08 with a cartridge in the chamber. After clicking on the sear at point S, a shot is fired. (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")

For this, the upper part of the pistol, complete with the barrel and the bolt group, was fixed on the board with nails (N1 – N2). At the back, this structure rested on a wooden block. For the purpose of simulation, the chamber was loaded with a blank cartridge, then the sear safely descended from the combat platoon at point S, simulating an accidental shot, in order to draw the students' attention to the possibility of such a dangerous situation arising if the pistol was not completely disassembled. The blank cartridge used was presumably star-crushed, as the wooden bullet cartridge (which was in service with the police in the 1920s) was almost as dangerous in classroom demonstrations as conventional bullet ammunition.


Rice. 9. Blank cartridges. Left to right: 2 pcs. with a blue wooden bullet and stamps 11 26 and 1 27 on the bottom of the cartridge case for the Bavarian police, 2 pcs. experimental with a red paper bullet, and one crimped with an "asterisk" for MR.38 / 40. Below is a cardboard box for blank cartridges of a characteristic orange-red color, indicating the type of ammunition (author's photo collage)

Accidents when an unwary shooter himself or someone else got hurt were pure coincidences and took place from time to time. But after the adoption of the Parabellum, such incidents in the Prussian police service apparently began to occur with sufficient regularity.

Part of the reason, as noted by the leadership, was both inadequate training of personnel, and in excessive savings in practical combat firing - only 60 rounds of ammunition were allocated annually per policeman.

Therefore, the increase in the number of accidents when handling weapons has renewed interest in systems for the protection of accidental shots. And the current situation required the police authorities to take radical measures as soon as possible to prevent such emergencies.

Double insurance


In order to exclude the occurrence of such excesses with the P.08, the Prussian police planned at the end of the 1920s to equip the weapon with two additional fuses. This was supposed to achieve two goals:

• Impossibility to fire a shot with the magazine removed ("magazine fuse").

• It is impossible to fire with a partially disassembled pistol by simply pressing a finger on the sear (“sear safety”).

Unfortunately, it is now difficult to establish exactly when the corresponding requirements of the Prussian Ministry of Internal Affairs were formulated and published.
However, it is clear from the database of the German Patent Office that between 1929 and 1932, many well-known German firearms specialists and arms companies enthusiastically developed magazine-type fuses and sear fuses for pistols in general and for the P.08 in particular. ...

About a dozen registered industrial designs and patents were registered in the Patent Office between 1929 and 1932. The list of firearms firms involved in this program was quite extensive and included well-known companies such as Carl Walther in Zella-Melis, ERMA in Erfurt, Simson & Co and Sauer & Sohn in Suhl.

As a result, in accordance with the circular decree of the Ministry of the Interior of Prussia of August 30, 1933, two additional fuses for the P.08 police were adopted for mandatory use.

These were:

• Magazine or trigger safety, protected as German registered design DRGM 1 237 949 dated 01 October 1932, issued by Waffenfabrik Carl Walther of Zella-Melis. The ministry decree itself does not mention either the number or the name of the document, but the origin of the design cannot be mistaken if we compare the store fuses in the surviving police pistols with the drawing given in the DRGM.

• Whisper fuse patented by a Berlin inventor named Ludwig Schiwy - DRP 501 267 dated July 19, 1929. And again: neither the name of the author, nor the number of his patent are mentioned in the decree of August 30, 1933. But both the drawing in the patent and Shivi's letter with his proposal to the Bavarian Ministry of the Interior allow us to identify the origin of the structure.


Rice. 10. Letter from Ludwig Shivi to the Bavarian Ministry of the Interior with a proposal to equip the P.08 pistols with an additional whisper fuse of his own design (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")

Here it is necessary to give a little explanation regarding the German patent law of that time and the abbreviation designations of the corresponding documents.

DRP (Deutsche Reich Patent) - German Reich patent.

DRGM (Deutsches Reichs-Gebrauchs-Muster) - a model established in the German Reich or a registered model of the German Reich.

What is the meaning and what is the difference between these designations?

From 1877 to May 1945, the state registration and patenting system of Germany issued the Patent of the German Empire - DRP to applicants and the corresponding marking was put on products protected by such a patent. It must be said that German patents were prohibitively expensive. And many manufacturers simply could not afford to pay the full patent filing fees (German patent fees were 36 times more than US patent fees). Those who could afford a patent in Germany put the DRP or DRP stamp on their products. Such a patent provided the patent holder with a full 15-year copyright protection.

DRGM was not a German patent in the full sense of the word. If a manufacturer did not want to pay the very high patent fees charged by the state, he could, instead of a patent, obtain a document to protect his copyright for the intended use or design of his product. In other words, register the design in all German states, its design or function. Since 1891, such products made in Germany could have a corresponding stamp - DRGM. Initially, this copyright was extended for 3 years with the possibility of renewal for another 3 years. This gave the copyright holder protection for a maximum of 6 years.

Figuratively speaking, DRGM is a copyright in Germany at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

No wonder a well-known company like Karl Walter won a government tender. She just had to do it.

But Ludwig Shivi, on the contrary, was practically unknown to anyone in comparison with her competitor. Former officer in reserve; motorist, sportsman-shooter; owner of a small factory for the production of guns and their accessories (Gewehr-Fabrik Vandrey in Berlin, located at SW68, Lidenstrasse 90). In 1924 he received a patent for a rifle stock with a special forend (DRP 419 182).


Rice. 11. Parabellum carbine with custom-made stock in a leather case from Gewehr-Fabrik Vandrey. The inside of the lid is embossed in gold on a red leather label: “L. Schiwy Gewehrfabrik Berlin SW68, Lidenstrasse 90 "(Joachim Görtz, Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess" The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols ")

In a tender for additional fuses for the police, he proposed two inventions: a sear fuse, as indicated above, and a store fuse (DRP 587 871 dated February 10, 1932). The latter lost to Walter's fuse.

The first one was adopted for unknown reasons. Perhaps because it was better / simpler / cheaper than all the proposed solutions. Perhaps Shivi had connections and acquaintances who knew the right people. Or maybe he was just the first to come up with the right solution, getting a patent six months earlier than any of the competitors.

The story is silent about it.

Be that as it may, but the police have adopted precisely its development.


Rice. 12-1. Patent DRP 501 267 dated July 19, 1929, issued to Ludwig Shivi for the "Automatic safety of the whispered small arms" (Selbsttätige Sicherung für die Abzugsstange von Handfeuerwaffen) (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")


Rice. 12-2. Drawing from the patent DRP 501 267 of July 19, 1929, issued to Ludwig Shivi for "Automatic safety of the whispered small arms" (Selbsttätige Sicherung für die Abzugsstange von Handfeuerwaffen) (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")

It should be noted that the production version of the fuse was slightly different from the one stated.

The patent shows that the safety catch is a lever rotated around the horizontal pin E1 by a leaf spring e4 with a thinned end, and the locking pin e2 should have a rectangular cross-section. But during production they made a simplification - the rear end of the lever was simply riveted vertically to the sear casing, while it itself was a flexible leaf spring of constant cross section, and the locking pin was a cylindrical rivet.

Since 1933, the fuse has been installed on all existing P.08 police in Prussia, and since 1937 - in the rest of Germany.


Rice. 13. Receiver of the "policeman" R.08 with the installed fuse Shivi (above) and the usual (below) Parabellum (photo by the author)


Rice. 14. Receiver of the "policeman" R.08 with a Shivi fuse - you can see a fixing pin and a hole in the sear (photo by the author)


Rice. 15. Receiver of the "policeman" P.08. Shivi's fuse in working position - a fixing pin protruding from the bottom of the sear fencing is visible (author's photo)


Rice. 16. Whispering "police" (above) and ordinary (below) R.08. The arrow indicates the hole for the fixing pin of the Shivi fuse (photo by the author)


Rice. 17. Side cover of "policeman" (left) and usual (right) P.08. The cutout for the Shivi fuse is highlighted in red (photo by the author)


Rice. 18. Two Р.08 made in 1916 by DWM (upper) and Erfurt arsenal (lower). In 1920, adopted by the police (second date) and later equipped with a Shivi fuse. Under them is a police-type holster (photo by the author)

Without a doubt, Shivi's whispering fuse, however simple it was, really served its purpose. It actually prevented a shot from the receiver with the barrel and bolt group removed from the frame.

The device was a leaf spring riveted on the top left of the receiver above the sear casing, carrying a 1,4 mm diameter pin, which automatically entered the hole in the front sear lever, blocking its displacement when the side cover was removed. As a result, the striker, if cocked, could not be released from the combat cocked intentionally or accidentally.

When installing the side cover, the locking pin was lifted and released the sear, ensuring the normal operation of the shock-and-sound mechanism. To mount the fuse, a cutout was made in the upper part of the side cover, and a small hole was drilled in the sear at the top in the front part for a locking pin. Another hole of the same type was drilled in the back of the sear fencing for a rivet to secure the plate.

Whether the Shivi safety catch is present on the pistol or not, the receiver with these modifications identifies any P.08 as an ex-cop.


Rice. 19. Ex-policeman P.08 produced by DWM. Shivi's fuse is removed, a hole for fixing it is visible in the sear (arrow on the left) and a hole for installing a fuse in the sear casing (arrow on the right) (photo by the author)

Walter's magazine fuse was a U-shaped piece bent from stamped sheet spring steel, with three cams, followed by finishing hardening. It was installed on the left under the frame panel and cheek, directly in front of the trigger guard, and was held by a curved protrusion No. 3 in a slot milled in the lower part of the frame sidewall.

This slot uniquely identifies such a pistol as an ex-policeman P.08, regardless of whether the fuse is present or removed, as is the case with the Shivi's fuse.

In front of the U-shaped spring there were two cam-projections bent at right angles to the pistol axis. Cam # 1 interacted with the magazine through a hole drilled above the trigger. A magazine inserted into the handle was pushed outward, while cam No. 2 behind the trigger moved to the left, removing the lock from the trigger. When the magazine was removed, the cam returned to its original position behind the trigger by the force of the U-shaped spring, blocking it.

Protrusion No. 3 was used to install a safety device in a vertical slot milled in the lower part of the pistol frame.


Rice. 20. Shop fuse designed by Friedrich Walter for R.08 (author's photo collage)


Rice. 21. Illustration for the application for a registered design of the German Reich DRGM 1 237 949 dated October 01, 1932, issued to the company "Karl Walter", under the name "Magazine safety lock for multiple-shot weapons". For mass production it was slightly simplified - this can be seen in the isometric view (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")


Rice. 22. Two of the rarest copies of the P.08 policemen with intact Walter fuses. The magazine is removed, the safety cam goes behind the trigger from behind and locks it. In the photo on the right: a window under the fuse is cut out in the upper left cheek (author's photo collage)


Rice. 23. Rare P.08 with intact Walter fuse (morphyauctions.com)

Both fuses were approved for use by a circular decree of the Ministry of the Interior of Prussia dated August 30, 1933, which became known on September 6, 1933. The goal of this decision was declared "to prevent accidents."

It is worth noting that the decree and the fuses themselves were intended only for the Prussian police units and never for military units or commercial sale. Their installation was carried out at local or regional weapons depots, and not by forces and / or personnel of weapons manufacturers.

To ensure the correct installation of the sear and magazine fuse, one pistol with fuses installed, a set of drawings required for drill operation, two calibers and a copy of the modification instructions were prepared as a reference sample for each police warehouse.


Rice. 24. Information bulletin of the Prussian Ministry of Internal Affairs of September 6, 1933, in which the Decree of the Prussian Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 66 / 33V of August 30, 1933 was published (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")

Judging by the decrees and other guidance documents published in the information bulletins preserved in the archives, the installation of additional fuses was initiated in the winter of 1933-1934 and extended to pistols on the staff of the Prussian police.

There are no records as to how long it took such a retrofit of the weapon.

Also, there is no documentary evidence of whether or not the Mauser company produced the new P.08 with the sear and store fuses originally installed at the factory, since the number of pistols ordered from the Mauser company for the police was extremely small compared to military orders. Moreover, it seems unlikely that the Ministry of the Interior would agree to an additional payment to Mauser for the production of a special pistol, while the required tools, calibers and instructions were at hand in the police arms depots.

The life of a magazine fuse protected by DRGM 1 237 949 was rather short.

Walter's development was installed only on those P.08 of the Prussian police that were released in 1933-1934. Moreover, the rather hard contact of the fuse cam with the magazine caused damage to the latter. First of all, the protective coating of the store was worn out and sometimes the front left edge of its body was deformed.

By order of the "Reichlider SS and Chief of Police of Germany" on May 27, 1937, the trigger guards and any similar devices were canceled. This obviously applied to Walter's fuse as well.


Rice. 25. Decree of the Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of Police of Germany on May 27, 1937 (Joachim Görtz "Die Pistole 08")


Berlin, May 27, 1937
Reichsfuhrer SS
and Police Chief of Germany
Reich Ministry of the Interior
O. - Kdo. T (3) 306 Nr. 8/37
Topic: Sears Fuse and Operation Manual for P.08 Pistol
Reference: Circular Decree of December 15, 1936 O. - Kdo. T (3) 71 Nr. 19 III / 36
In order to avoid accidents and to ensure uniformity of training, the sear fuse - made by Vandrey - of the P.08 pistol, which was already presented in Prussia and some other lands, is currently accepted by all units of the Guard Police, Gendarmerie and the Public Police.
The demand for fuses in the Länder was whispered to the Technical Police Academy, Berlin, deadline July 1, 1937 (separately for the Public Police). The required amount will be purchased and distributed.
By the same date, all lands, except Prussia, must send one P.08 pistol to the Technical Police Academy. These pistols will be fitted with sear fuses and will then be returned to departments to serve as samples. In this case, 1 drill gauge and 1 fuse installation instruction will be sent to each weapon repair shop.
All fuses whispered of other existing designs on P.08 pistols of the Guard Police, Gendarmerie and Public Police in all lands except Prussia, and all trigger fuses of any design must be disabled.
(The article of the decree concerns the adoption of the army manual P08 H. Dv. 255 for the police and the modification of this instruction in accordance with the safety requirements for whispering and cleaning equipment 34 see Ch. 5).

As a consequence, it is now very difficult to find an intact Walter fuse.

Most of these have been modified by grinding the front cam tabs to make it inoperative and leaving it solely to fill a groove in the sidewall of the frame, but in some cases they have simply been completely removed.


Rice. 26. Walter's fuse, deactivated in accordance with the decree of May 27, 1937. The cams interacting with the magazine and the trigger are cut off (author's photo collage)

In accordance with the same decree, all whispered fuses, except for those produced by Vandrey (that is, Shivi designs), were to be disabled. Including the whisper fuse, invented by the senior gunsmith of the Hamburg municipal police, Emil Schmidt, and protected by the DRGM certificate 1 228 449 dated 25 July 1932, which he offered to the police departments of Hamburg, Bremen and Bavaria. The basis of his invention was an elongated sear plunger, which, when the side cover was removed, entered a groove in the front of the receiver, blocking the sear. With the cost of the device ranging from 0,15 to 0,20 marks, it took only two to three minutes to install it.

The decree of May 27, 1937 also ordered the use of a sear fuse (Shivi design / Vandrey production) by all non-Prussian German lands that had previously refrained from using this device. This also applied to Bavaria, where the police leadership had already tested the Shivi fuse in 1932, but refused to implement it, citing mainly the fact that the pistol could be scratched when the modified side cover was reassembled.

Shivi's fuse can be found on P.08 policemen produced up to 1942. The last production batch with the "y" prefix in the number was obviously prepared for its installation (which may indicate a factory modification of the pistols), but the spring plate itself was missing from the left side of the receiver. Whether this was a consequence of the decree not to install such devices anymore or, perhaps, the Vandrei company in Berlin, which was engaged in the manufacture of Shivi fuses and accessories for it, became a victim of Allied bombing, it is unknown.

Almost no copies of the P.08 have survived with additional fuses installed, since in the early 1930s there was no commercial market for such a pistol outside Prussia. And the pistols in the police service in accordance with Himmler's decree of May 27, 1937 in all German states were brought to a single state, having lost such devices.

And only a small number of them, by some miracle, remained intact, becoming incredibly rare specimens of Parabellums that can adorn any collection.


Rice. 27. Two rarities: R.08 produced by DWM (upper) and Erfurt arsenal (lower) with preserved additional Shivi fuses (author's photo)

Another interesting fact worth mentioning.

For wearing the Parabellum on a waist belt, the police adopted their own type of holster, which differed from the army's method of closing it "with a lock." What caused this - history is silent. But according to my personal subjective feelings, it is much easier to unfasten a police holster in order to remove a weapon from it than an army one.


Rice. 28. Leather holsters for Р.08: in the center - for the police, on the right and left - for the army and the navy (photo by the author)

Not much information and details about other additional safety devices for the P.08 survived also because, although they were protected by DRGM certificates, in the 1950s a massive destruction of the pre-war register records of the German Patent Office was carried out. And therefore it is worth talking about them separately ...

To be continued ...
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  1. +8
    19 December 2021 04: 59
    Good morning dear friends!

    "Everything is returning to normal", so we returned to "Parabellum". smile
    Well, the machine is worthy and it's not a sin to gossip about it once again.

    Thanks to Yuri, there will be something to do on Sunday! good

    PS Yura, however, they quickly posted an article with moderation, thanks for that too.
    1. +17
      19 December 2021 07: 41
      Excellent article, this is not Shpakovsky's translated tops, there is serious work here!


      Moreover, all the charged chambers in front were smeared with grease in order to avoid the ignition of the gunpowder in them from accidental sparks when fired (also a kind of fuse).

      If I knew about an empty chamber for safety for a long time, then I did not even suspect about fat against spontaneous combustion.

      Hungarian FIREBIRD
      This is a Hungarian modification of the Soviet TT under 9 mm Para, developed for Egypt ..



      The new pistol first received the designation TT-9P, but in the final version it was named Tokagypt 58 (Tokarev-Egypt model 1958).
      The Tokagypt pistols produced but not delivered to Egypt were sent for commercial sale on the international market under the designation "Firebird" (Firebird).
      It is considered the most successful version of the TT.
      1. +14
        19 December 2021 08: 06
        I absolutely agree with you - the article is simply gorgeous! good

        If I whispered about the "surprises" from the "Eight", since I myself, while working in the museum, fiddled with these pistols, then about the fuses of Shivi and Walter neither sleep nor spirit. And the patent case for me is generally a dark forest. request

        But in the case of "crossbow", in violation of the rules for the use of weapons, I had a chance to be present once. It was about the guard, my last winter, I was a pomnakar and at the time of the return of the shift from the posts I spoke on the phone with the officer on duty (my comrades), and then everything was almost exactly as Yuri described: a shot, a couple of seconds of silence and immediately the most selective mate in a few sips. Only instead of the PM was the AKM. And this idiot did almost everything as it should be - a machine gun in a pyramid for discharging on the street, disconnected the store and on the descent, only before that he removed the machine from the fuse and twisted it. It happened at night, several people were discharging and the wrench did not notice anything. And after all, in the third year he was doldon, so he got to the dundel right away and to work. And there the company commander rushed in from the regiment headquarters for a shot and ordered another one. This is our army service. wink
        1. +13
          19 December 2021 08: 41
          If about security measures!
          From the author's article.
          By a lucky coincidence, the bullet did not hit anyone in the rather cramped room and after a triple ricochet flew out the window past the attendant.

          Randomness is at least cube. At your place of service, normative acts were not simply ignored, but laid down on them with a “slide”.
          1. In the room, at least, there should be a bullet trap and the ensign should make his manipulations by directing the weapon at "his handsome".
          2. The room was supposed to be responsible from the leadership and the warrant officer. The rest of the "personnel" had to wait for their turn behind the bulletproof door.
          3. The person on duty in the room could not be in principle. Its place in the KHS with which the KVO is associated with is strictly regulated by the size of the window (no larger than the window).
          4. And what are the vents in the KVO? Blank walls, a table for disarming and cleaning weapons, a hood, lighting and posters.
          I just want to write in bold type "statutes are written in blood."
          Thanks for the parabellum!
          1. +9
            19 December 2021 14: 34
            like this cop
            1. +9
              19 December 2021 15: 52
              5 points! drinks
              Where did you find this masterpiece? laughing

              Best regards,
              1. +6
                19 December 2021 16: 22
                Dear Yuri! Great stuff, congratulations!
                1. +5
                  19 December 2021 18: 35
                  Great stuff, congratulations!


                  Thank you!
                  As in the movie "Legend # 17", I would like your speed ...
                  It's always nice to chat with like-minded people!

                  Best regards,
                  1. +3
                    19 December 2021 18: 59
                    Quote: Gunfighter95
                    I would like your speed ...

                    Well, you don't seem to be retired, right? I have nothing to do except reading and writing.
                    1. +2
                      19 December 2021 19: 34
                      Retired, but I work.
                      There is no time to engage in your favorite hobby ...

                      Best regards,
                      1. +1
                        19 December 2021 19: 38
                        Quote: Gunfighter95
                        Retired, but I work.

                        What a fine fellow you are! I also tried that, but under the weight of innovations at the Higher School I decided that ... it's enough to work for a pittance for our state. Let him do without me, and I certainly can do without his work. And cost it!
                      2. +2
                        19 December 2021 22: 38
                        As they say - Long summers to you!
                        You are doing a good thing!

                        Best regards,
              2. +4
                19 December 2021 17: 01
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                5 points! drinks
                Where did you find this masterpiece? laughing

                Best regards,

                Not long ago I accidentally watched this video, someone sent it, just to the topic. Sincerely!
            2. +5
              19 December 2021 16: 21
              Paragraph!!! And a pistol on a string ... laughing

              Immediately I remembered about the monkey with a grenade.

              1. +5
                19 December 2021 18: 39
                Immediately I remembered about the monkey with a grenade.


                No wonder the naval do not favor women on the ship. No offense to the fair sex said.
                But women and weapons are dissonance.
                There is an exception though.
                For example, the Fausti sisters.

                Best regards,
                1. +5
                  19 December 2021 18: 45
                  Very lovely ladies. smile

                  1. +2
                    19 December 2021 19: 28
                    Very lovely ladies

                    Yes, just beautiful and charming Italians.
                    Also with weapons!

                    Best regards,
            3. +4
              19 December 2021 17: 04
              It feels like she is sleeping on the go. Look, she doesn’t know what she’s doing. Sleepy grouse
              1. +5
                19 December 2021 18: 40
                The feeling is that a person is dealing with PM for the first time.
                The one standing nearby is also somehow indifferent ...

                Best regards,
                1. +5
                  19 December 2021 19: 25
                  Quote: Gunfighter95
                  The feeling is that a person is dealing with PM for the first time.
                  The one standing nearby is also somehow indifferent ...

                  Best regards,


                  Quote: vladcub
                  It feels like she is sleeping on the go. Look, she doesn’t know what she’s doing. Sleepy grouse


                  Quote: Gunfighter95
                  Immediately I remembered about the monkey with a grenade.


                  No wonder the naval do not favor women on the ship. No offense to the fair sex said.
                  But women and weapons are dissonance.
                  There is an exception though.
                  For example, the Fausti sisters.

                  Best regards,

                  Well, dear people drove around the "women with pistols", and now a few dry facts.
                  With the ratio of men and women in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia to about 50 to 50, only every third state of emergency with weapons is behind the weak half of humanity. So 2/3 bibisians with a grenade are men. Now live with it !!! laughing
                  1. +7
                    19 December 2021 19: 32
                    With the ratio of men and women in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia to about 50 to 50, for the weak half of humanity only every third emergency with weapons
                    .

                    Yes, but in fairness it should be noted that far fewer women than men deal directly with weapons.
                    Well, the arrogance of men, alas, often fails ... you understand ...

                    Best regards,
                  2. +4
                    19 December 2021 19: 45
                    Well, now you can't have fun, no personal life. sad
                    1. +3
                      19 December 2021 22: 43
                      A friend's wife is a master of sports in bullet shooting. He says I never argue with mine ... I don't want to portray a "running boar" target at all ... wassat laughing lol

                      Best regards,
                      1. +2
                        19 December 2021 22: 49
                        I don't argue with my wife either, firstly there is no point, and secondly, she is most often right, in everyday matters. smile drinks
                      2. +3
                        20 December 2021 00: 06
                        secondly, she is most often right,

                        As the French say - if a woman is wrong, then you need to ask her forgiveness. laughing

                        Best regards,
                2. 0
                  20 December 2021 07: 40
                  Precisely noticed, and the tech is already solid
          2. +8
            19 December 2021 18: 10
            Randomness is at least cube. At your place of service, normative acts were not simply ignored, but laid down on them with a “slide”.


            In the army, as I understand it, often "should be" and "really is" often follow parallel paths.
            Therefore, in 99% of cases of emergency, only the "human factor" is to blame.
            They remember the charter when "a roast cock bites" ...

            Thanks for the parabellum!


            Thank you for your kind words!

            Best regards,
        2. +4
          19 December 2021 09: 35
          "in case of violation of the rules" we have the commander of the 2nd battalion, he cleaned the pistol and accidentally shot his wife ..
          True, my friend whispered to me that he deliberately did it. Their relationship was strained, and I did not want to believe it.
          1. +3
            19 December 2021 09: 56
            I apologize, but where did he clean the barrel even with his wife ??? Houses??? On the kitchen???
            1. +2
              19 December 2021 13: 09
              I didn't see how it happened.
              They said the unfortunate, and the friend clarified
              1. 0
                20 December 2021 07: 06
                Vera, I don't know all the circumstances of what happened. But at first glance, based on your information - slaughter, the command, in order not to fall under the distribution for violations during storage and issuance of a service certificate, supported the version of careless handling.
          2. +3
            19 December 2021 22: 52
            It was about two years ago.
            A man served under the contract and came home.
            And he had a row with his wife in the kitchen.
            Word for word, he takes out a grenade, the pin is out - an explosion.
            Himself to pieces, wife to death.
            My mother-in-law was in the next room - a heart attack.
            Two girls-schoolgirls were left orphans ...

            You always have to stop on time ...

            Best regards,
            1. 0
              20 December 2021 07: 02
              Not an authorized grenade in your pocket is one thing, but cleaning the service barrel ... with your wife is a little different, you must agree.
              1. +1
                20 December 2021 14: 17
                This is yes, I agree.
                I'm talking about something else - you need to keep your head on your shoulders, and not in another place.
                And yet - how permissible is it to carry a service card home?
                Especially if you clean it?
                To be honest, I don’t remember how it is regulated.
                But I never cleaned my report card at home.
                Just based on safety regulations.

                Best regards,
                1. +1
                  20 December 2021 16: 29
                  I'm talking about something else - you have to keep your head on your shoulders,
                  good
                  That's right, even from the lessons of CWP I remember the basic rule - treat any weapon as if it were loaded. These rules are written in blood. And the case about the cleaning and the wife - I painted an approximate version of "how it was". The command, in order not to be caught for gross violations of the rules in handling, went for a "soft version" of negligent handling. Although here article 105 glows on the forehead.
                  But I never cleaned my report card at home.

                  If not permanently worn, then what kind of home ??? And in army units, what is the constant wearing? If not in a war zone?
                  1. +1
                    20 December 2021 17: 44
                    treat any weapon as loaded.


                    100%
                    In the air defense, all the radar stations stationed on the detection unit each morning entered "friend or foe" identification codes. To do this, each station chief in the special unit received such a small box weighing about 3 kg and ran with it to the radar to enter the codes. Since the procedure was top secret, a fighter armed with a machine gun had to accompany him. The procedure for some unknown reason was not worked out. Where can I get cartridges, at least one magazine, to arm the accompanying soldier for real, and not an AK-74 with an empty magazine and an attached bayonet-knife, like a lance?
                    The directive demanded that the soldier be armed with a machine gun with cartridges.
                    Each battalion commander had one horn with cartridges in his safe. When he walked behind the block for entering codes, the fighter approached the headquarters and received a horn with cartridges from him. Such a semi-legal system operated until an emergency occurred in a neighboring regiment.
                    The head of the station came to enter the codes, and they announced their readiness number 1. The accompanying fighter was the station operator. According to the staffing table, he took his place at the IKO. And he gave the machine gun with a horn full of cartridges to another soldier. He stood, stood, then pulled the shutter out of boredom. I saw another soldier - my fellow villager. He threw the machine gun up to his shoulder and jokingly told him that he would kill him, and he would not go for demobilization before him.
                    I killed. He went home, but already in zinc. And this one - in the disbat ...
                    Just kidding ...

                    Best regards,
        3. +5
          19 December 2021 09: 51
          One to one, only with AK74. On guard, in a neighboring platoon, a cadet fired at a bullet trap (a board above the discharge site). Everyone is shocked. Starley, keeping calm, says "well, go on" ... And the cadet ONCE pulls the trigger with the magazine unbuttoned !!!
          Here he already, in the literal sense, earned on the neck.
          And they told us about the sloppiness of handling weapons:
          Two comrades, two warrant officers were on duty at the Batu school. At night, out of boredom, one began to play with a pistol. I took out the magazine, but forgot that I had sent the cartridge into the chamber before. I aimed at a friend and pulled the trigger. He did not miss and was sentenced to ten years.
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          2. +3
            19 December 2021 16: 46
            Trusting a weapon to idiots - it will be more expensive for yourself
            1. +3
              19 December 2021 22: 59
              Trusting a weapon to idiots - it will be more expensive for yourself

              Sometimes it turns out too late ...

              A soldier, a native of Central Asia, was on guard.
              They came to change him - he started shooting.
              The platoon commander from the starting battery was then standing in full force, and he told me this incident. No matter how they tried to persuade the fighter, he was not in any way.
              The songs are sung, those who try to enter the technical territory - shoot.
              In general, while he was diverted from one side, the platoon sergeant crept up to the shooter and threw a raincoat over him.
              Then it turned out that the guy's head was not all right.
              I served a year and a half, there were no problems.
              And then something "covered" him.
              And how could such a turn have been predicted?

              Best regards,
              1. +2
                20 December 2021 07: 36
                I heard about similar cases.
                There was a case in our village. The guy went to the army, and someone wrote to him that his girl publicly torn the photo.
                That machine with 2 horns and home. Somewhere I got civilian clothes for my own village, and a village is a village. Someone saw and the whole district recognized. He was going to shoot the girl and her friends.
                I was 10 years old then, I don't remember now, I think he seriously wounded three. And the girl was not to blame, someone "joked".
                He is in a durka, his parents left the village. And the girl left. I saw her about twenty years later.
                Who * joked "?
                1. +1
                  20 December 2021 14: 29
                  In the regiment, according to the order of the commander of the GSVG, every Friday, at the evening check-up, orders were read to all personnel about the emergency in the Group for a week. Such "love" postrelushki figured every time.
                  And the regiment commander after that "washed" the soldiers' brains with his heartfelt speech. Its meaning boiled down to the following: it is we, the men who are getting married, and not they are us. Therefore, it is not necessary to toil with foolishness, it is necessary to serve the Motherland. He presented it in a colorful way, using untranslatable puns using local idiomatic expressions ...

                  Best regards,
                  1. +1
                    20 December 2021 18: 30
                    Thank you. Immediately I remembered: "damn it"
                    1. 0
                      20 December 2021 20: 36
                      drinks
                      It's like a friend or foe identification code. And no password is needed. good

                      Best regards,
                      1. 0
                        20 December 2021 21: 08
                        Yur, when is the next material for you?
                        I won't lie, I read your articles about an aristocrat from Pasadena, I didn't like them. They are inferior to the "fuse" here they just told and showed.
                        I'm a pretty picky reader. Hottsa for me: interesting material and easy to explain.
                        I wish you success.
                        PSVY gave good comments, I remember from my first coming. This is my third reincarnation
                      2. 0
                        20 December 2021 22: 58
                        I cook the second part with fuses. I would like to have time to finish it this week. I guess I'm too meticulous. I "dig" a lot. Therefore, it is written slowly.
                      3. 0
                        20 December 2021 23: 29
                        Regarding Auto Mag. Probably, you just don't like the "American". Therefore, it did not "go".
                        Purely American weapon, little known in Europe.

                        I myself would love to read something interesting.
                        Believe me, writing is not easy at all.

                        I wish you success.


                        Thank you!

                        It also takes a lot of time to prepare comments.
                        And he is sorely lacking ...

                        Best regards,
          3. 0
            9 January 2022 19: 06
            A colleague of his grandfather, taking out a TT from the holster with frozen hands for cleaning, shot the owner of the hut through the plank wall, as he guessed in the head - it is not clear. This is from the words of my grandfather, who taught me how to handle weapons in early childhood.
            The front-line soldiers wore TTs with a cartridge in the chamber, cocking the hammer from a half-platoon when taking out the weapon. And in that case, the hammer remained cocked normally.
        4. +6
          19 December 2021 14: 16
          If I whispered about the "surprises" from the "Eight", since I myself, while working in the museum, fiddled with these pistols, then about the fuses of Shivi and Walter neither sleep nor spirit


          This is not surprising - more than two hundred zero-eighth different modifications passed through my hands, and only two were with a Shivi fuse. And also, probably about 5-6 pieces with traces of its installation. With Walter's fuse, none. And only one luger with traces of its installation.
          And it is surprising that they survived, given the pedantry and commitment of the Germans.

          Best regards,
        5. +7
          19 December 2021 16: 07
          Only instead of the PM was the AKM.


          And it was with AK too!
          I came to change a lieutenant, a command platoon commander, for a database. He hisses - his voice ripped off. I looked - the soldiers were painting the bullet trap shield in a new way (yesterday they only painted it - they were preparing for the spring verification). I ask, what happened?
          He shows me 6 holes repaired. Yesterday they were not there, I remembered exactly.
          What happened?
          At 4 in the morning, a patrolman came from the route (there were patrolmen, not sentries in the air defense on the base), began to unload the AK-74.
          I put the machine gun in the cradle, removed the machine from the fuse.
          I pulled the shutter and pulled the trigger. The roar of the queue woke everyone up.
          And even a half-asleep lieutenant who controlled the process of unloading the weapon.
          He instantly knocked the fighter's hand off the machine with a blow.
          AK is usually very tightly removed from the fuse, requiring considerable effort. At the same time, he usually immediately slips down to the position for conducting a single fire. But in this case, according to the law of the cavity, he was stuck in an intermediate position - AB, automatic fire.
          Well ... six holes in the bullet trap.
          The soldiers told me later that the lieutenant had never swore so masterly and loudly ...

          Best regards,
          1. +1
            22 December 2021 16: 00
            Quote: Gunfighter95
            And it was with AK too!

            And also with NARs ...
            A colleague told me: he served near Brest as an SD technician on a Su-25 ("two-year"). On the last flight day before his demobilization the warrant officer-gunsmith forgot to put the safety devices on the NAR block, and then climbed into the cockpit and began to check the operation of the chains (something like this (I don’t remember the cause of the incident in details: it was a long time ago)).
            The man said that the rocket went right next to him. He began to swear at the ensign. He looks: people are running to his plane from all sides. They ran up and asked what happened here. He: "How what ?! - He almost killed me with a rocket!" And those answered: "And we only heard your obscenities ..."
            1. +1
              22 December 2021 17: 43
              "And we only heard your obscenities ..."

              laughing laughing laughing
              They made fun ... Although the guy had to be relieved of stress, of course.

              Let's increase the "caliber" so to speak ...
              The year, in my opinion, 1988 "distinguished" the start-ups of the KRUG complex in the GSVG.
              What exactly happened, we were not told then.
              Either a short circuit in the control circuit, or someone's "skillful handles", but the missile "left" from the launcher, which was in position in the stowed position during the exercise.
              The main engine spontaneously worked, and she "flew away". Fell on the territory of Poland in an open field.
              Considering the fact that the artillery unit was not raised up, it was so at "low level" and whistled in front of everyone present.

              We were then bored with checks, although we had a CUBIC, not a CIRCLE.

              Best regards,
              1. +1
                22 December 2021 18: 31
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                They made fun ... Although the guy had to be relieved of stress, of course.

                The last day before demobilization!
                Moreover, in life his voice was quiet and even kind of insinuating ...
                1. +1
                  22 December 2021 20: 59
                  The last day before demobilization!

                  Here, in my opinion, even the first day of service - everyone wants to live.

                  At the expense of the quiet voice.
                  The comrade also has a low voice.
                  Once he was walking home from work, and a Rottweiler flew out of the bushes, the size of a calf.
                  He only managed to say one word: "Fu"!
                  And the dog stood rooted to the spot.
                  A neighbor heard his "fu" - from the 16th floor, by the way, he jumped out with a gun. lol
                  Comrade, the next day I could only speak in a whisper ... laughing

                  Best regards,
              2. +1
                22 December 2021 18: 38
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                The year, in my opinion, 1988 "distinguished" the start-ups of the KRUG complex in the GSVG.
                <...>
                The main engine spontaneously worked, and she "flew away". Fell on the territory of Poland in an open field.

                "A circle"? There is a 3M8 rocket. She has a sustainer - ramjet engine. It does not work at low speeds. Maybe accelerators? ...
                1. +1
                  22 December 2021 20: 52
                  Maybe accelerators? ...

                  It may well be. It happened more than 30 years ago.
                  They also concealed the incident then.
                  But she flew far away. Soaring low above the ground ... laughing

                  The very fact of an unauthorized launch is surprising.
                  They did it alone, but they all got ridiculous - they spent a month loving us with checks.

                  Best regards,
      2. +8
        19 December 2021 09: 54
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Excellent article, this is not Shpakovsky's translated tops, there is serious work here!

        For once and for all I agree with you.
        There is no longer the strength to endure the dominance of carelessly sketched articles about the shooter.
        1. +5
          19 December 2021 15: 49
          Thanks for your kind words!
          I agree with you - there are enough negligence in publications, which is very "eye cuts" ...

          Best regards,
      3. +8
        19 December 2021 13: 30
        Thank you for your kind words! I did my best. :)

        If I knew about an empty chamber for safety for a long time, then I did not even suspect about fat against spontaneous combustion.


        I somehow posted in the comments stills from the filming of the Arsenal program about the Russian SV. There you can see very clearly how the flame breaks through between the barrel and the drum. It was safe for a unitary cartridge. But for a primer revolver without grease, this was fraught with the transformation of the weapon into a multiple launch rocket system, such as a "Katyusha"







        This is a Hungarian modification of the Soviet TT under 9 mm Steam, developed for Egypt


        That's all right. You have the "Firebird" in the photo, not Tokagypt. What was at my fingertips, from that and built a composition. request
        It was also necessary to put the FN HP 35 next to it - it is one of the few that has a store fuse.

        Best regards,
      4. +3
        19 December 2021 16: 17
        The "successful version" is the first thing that catches your eye - "modern" cheeks. As I remember: the Hungarians adapted it for the 9mm parabelum cartridge?
        1. +2
          19 December 2021 18: 43
          Hungarians adapted it for the 9mm parabelum cartridge?

          That's right!
          The request from the Egyptians was for 9 pairs.
          And yes, the cheeks are quite comfortable.

          Best regards,
    2. +8
      19 December 2021 09: 43
      Good morning everyone.
      Indeed, a wonderful addition to the "parabellum" cycle. Illustrations are a special conversation, also decent and rare.
      Thanks to the author!
      1. +9
        19 December 2021 13: 35
        Thanks to the author!


        Thank you for appreciating my work!

        I try to shoot a lot myself - in the Internet and in books, there are often only general photos.
        But it is not always possible to describe in words simply, and it will not turn out so clearly.
        Unfortunately, the stocks of deductive material are not the same, alas ...

        Best regards,
    3. +10
      19 December 2021 13: 08
      however, we quickly posted an article with moderation, thanks for that too.


      Thank you for your kind words, Kostya!
      I gave it to the moderator on Wednesday. It didn't depend on me further.
      The moderator should be thanked that he quickly took the article into work.

      Best regards,
      1. +3
        19 December 2021 15: 17
        Yuri, let me personally express my gratitude to you for the quality article! Don't stop there!
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. +3
          19 December 2021 18: 32
          Thank you for appreciating my work!
          I will try! There are some considerations.

          Best regards,
      2. +3
        19 December 2021 16: 26
        "what quickly took to work" apparently, the person is not a hack
        1. +3
          19 December 2021 18: 33
          I agree!
          It's nice to deal with caring people.

          Best regards,
  2. +8
    19 December 2021 06: 05
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky's Parabellum and pistol lovers club has expanded to VO. smile
    An excellent article ... with all the details ... thank the author for the quality work. hi
    I look forward to continuing to VO.
    I would like to know more about the stupidities committed by the owners of pistols ... is there a border of protection from their stupid and inexplicable actions.
    1. +7
      19 December 2021 13: 39
      I thank the author for the quality work.


      Thank you for your kind words! Glad you liked it!
      I am working on the continuation.

      Borders, alas, no ...
      As there is no limit to human stupidity. Well, who served in the army - he can tell a lot ...

      Best regards,
    2. +6
      19 December 2021 18: 13
      I would like to know more about the stupidities committed by the owners of pistols ... is there a border

      There is no barrier to patriots. I personally know a person in the house who discharged a pump in a gas cylinder. Bullet. The balloon got sturdy, got off with a solid dent. It would be a rifled one, or a worse cylinder ...
    3. +5
      19 December 2021 18: 30
      I would like to know more about the stupidities committed by the owners of pistols

      Nonsense is done not only by the owners of the short-barrel.
      Back in 1969, during my carefree childhood, our neighbor on the staircase somehow learned something that I still remember ...
      My friend's father was an avid hunter.
      I remember that he had three guns, which were just standing in the corner of the room behind the curtain.
      One of them is the first Soviet semiautomatic device MC 21-12.
      At that time, it was just a curiosity and rarity - 4 rounds in an under-barrel tubular magazine.
      Once a grandmother came to them - the mother-in-law of a hunter soed.
      And he decided to show off to her "new clothes" - he bought a gun the other day.
      He got it out, began to show it, pulled the trigger ...
      How will it go bang!
      There is a funnel-dent in the ceiling, the "shooter" all dressed in white, like at a flour mill, sits sprinkled with whitewash and plaster, on the floor, holding a gun between his legs.
      The mother-in-law looked at the "hunter", and calmly betrayed - well, you and, son-in-law ...
      The woman's nerves were iron!
      It was a good bullet, not buckshot, or shot ...
      Could have crumbled everyone.
      The man believed that the gun was unloaded, and the cartridge was in the barrel ...

      Best regards,
      1. 0
        20 December 2021 09: 33
        Didn't know what was in the table? Or did they sell him a charged one?
        1. +1
          20 December 2021 14: 04
          He managed to go hunting with him, shoot.
          Either he miscalculated the consumption of ammunition, or he simply forgot.
          One cartridge was in the store.
          He pulled the shutter and pulled the trigger.

          Best regards,
          1. +1
            20 December 2021 18: 34
            Yuri, it seems to me that that man was of a mediocre mind
            1. +1
              20 December 2021 20: 43
              laughing
              It was a long time ago ... Now, from the height of the years lived and the experience gained, at least, we can gouge a neighbor ...

              Best regards, wassat
      2. +1
        21 December 2021 17: 11
        Yes, you are absolutly right. The probability of a bullet ricocheting into a specific spatially limited object is significantly lower than that of a shot projectile, in multiples of the number of pellets. In physics, there is the concept of an absolutely elastic impact. It would seem that when colliding with a fixed obstacle, the projectile loses the overwhelming part of its kinetic energy, but if the obstacle is not pierced and y does not hold the projectile, then the reaction of the support remains equal in magnitude, but opposite in direction. Everything could be much sadder in the story you told hi
        1. +1
          22 December 2021 02: 05
          That's right! There is only one thing to add here:
          - "Freaks" are lucky ...

          Best regards,
  3. +16
    19 December 2021 07: 44
    Reference! This is how you write articles about weapons.
    1. +12
      19 December 2021 09: 02
      I join! There is one more word - fundamental!
      Sincere gratitude to the author for his work and wishes for further creative success!
      1. +8
        19 December 2021 16: 11
        Sincere gratitude to the author for his work and wishes for further creative success!


        Thanks you!
        For the sake of such grateful readers, it is not a pity to spend time and effort!

        Best regards,
    2. +9
      19 December 2021 13: 43
      Reference! This is how you write articles about weapons


      Thank you for appreciating my work!
      So we both in the Soviet school and at the institute were taught to prepare the material.

      Best regards,
  4. +12
    19 December 2021 07: 54
    A Darwin Prize nominee will not be saved by any “foolproof”. One of them comes to hand over his weapon. Pulling out the cartridges one by one is too lazy. Squeezes out the feeder and shakes out the cartridges. The last cartridge, of course, remains in the store and gets on the priest. He lowers the feeder and he hits the primer. How zhahnet !!! The store was swollen, an eccentric with a different letter grabbed his face with his hands and blood through his fingers ... The person on duty on the shelf at him at first in an amicable way, and then obscenely: "Get your hands off !!!". And he just howls and clings to his face with his hands. The man on duty thought his eyes had been knocked out. Then he tore off his hands and realized that the fools were lucky. The Darwin Prize nominee only had a splinter of a shell on his forehead and a little concussion.
    1. +9
      19 December 2021 13: 46
      There is no limit to human stupidity ...
      Only initiative is worse than a fool.
      The trouble is that normal people can suffer from one "eccentric".

      Best regards,
  5. +7
    19 December 2021 08: 42
    Comrades, I liked the work for which I thank the author. Also thanks to the moderators for handling it quickly.
    But I got confused: the Shivi fuse, abolished in 1937 and immediately read: "adopt the Shivi whispered fuse."
    Help, figure out this rebus
    1. +7
      19 December 2021 13: 56
      thanks to the author

      Thank you for your kind words!

      But I got confused: the Shivi fuse, abolished in 1937 and immediately read: "adopt the Shivi whispered fuse."
      Help, figure out this rebus


      Helping! drinks

      In accordance with the decree, all the fuses whispered, other than those produced by Vandrey (i.e. Shivi designs), should have been disabled.

      The decree of May 27, 1937 also ordered the use of a sear fuse (Shivi design / Vandrey production) all non-Prussian Germanic lands that previously refrained from using this device.

      In 1937, all fuses were removed, except for the Shivi fuse.
      By the same decree, all other lands were ordered to adopt this fuse into service. In Prussia, it has already been officially adopted.

      For the rest of the fuses that were developed for the P.08, a story in the next article.

      Best regards,
  6. +4
    19 December 2021 09: 22
    Colleagues, good morning. I glanced at the title and immediately thought: Vyacheslav Olegovich, but I was mistaken.
    Ultimate work, and protected life.
    1. +4
      19 December 2021 16: 15
      Yes, times were mistaken. stop
      Not Victor, and not Olegovich. love

      Best regards,
      1. 0
        19 December 2021 17: 51
        Actually, I said: Vyacheslav Olegovich, but I don't know Victor.
        1. +4
          19 December 2021 18: 49
          All the same, and not Vyacheslav.
          Do not be offended. Really business, nothing personal.
          I am glad that ladies are interested in such articles and weapons in general.
          My wife, alas, is indifferent to my opuses ... laughing

          Best wishes and best regards,
          1. +3
            19 December 2021 20: 07
            Yuri, I don't know the middle name. I, too, was completely indifferent to weapons, but in the 90s I realized: in the modern world, a woman and a pistol are perfectly combined!
            My second mother died in Uzbekistan when the nationalists started a "war" with the Russians. They confidently went to kill her, knowing that she was not protective. She pushed her daughter out the window, and she herself was left with a frying pan in her hands, and there were 3 of them and with a weapon.
            Itself for several years "played" PSM. I bet, as the pig says, not all colleagues on the site will be able to disassemble and assemble the PSM in this way! And the PM can be easily disassembled.
            It suits me that I'm Russian and I live in Russia. But I fiercely envy: Estonians, streams or Americans, in short, everyone who can have weapons at home! How happy I would be to have my PSM on the table !!!
            1. +6
              19 December 2021 20: 28
              Vasilevich.
              Damned nineties ... Please accept my most sincere condolences ...
              In our company, the chief accountant in the 90s fled from Azerbaijan in the same situation. Thank God, everyone survived. I wish you one thing - so that you NEVER have to take up arms to protect yourself and your loved ones.

              In our regiment, the deputy commander once arranged classes in the evening to study the service PM. Officers and warrant officers gathered everyone who was not in the outfit or the base. There were about 60 people. Almost everyone mastered the incomplete disassembly.
              Then there was a complete disassembly of the PM. Then the deputy commander said that whoever collects his PM is free. The rest will sit at the headquarters until they are assembled.
              It was a circus with horses and clowns - three lines lined up with caps in hand. In each cap - disassembled "to the screw" PM.
              Of the entire regiment, only three people could assemble their own PM - myself, one senior and one ensign.
              There were queues for the three of us ... wassat
              On the one hand, it’s like a ZRP, you don’t go on foot to attack.
              On the other hand, how is it that a career officer does not know his weapon.

              And I, too, envy those who can have their own COP at home.
              But alas, this is not permitted by law.
              Therefore, for now I can be content with MMG, alas ...

              Best regards,
              1. +1
                20 December 2021 08: 37
                Yuri Vvsilievich, what is MMG?
                1. +3
                  20 December 2021 14: 11
                  Layout Mass-Dimensional.
                  This is a military weapon rendered inoperative.
                  It is impossible to charge and shoot from it.
                  All major parts (barrel, bolt, frame / receiver) are deactivated - that is, irreversible changes have been made to them so that they cannot be used for firing a shot.
                  The law is allowed for free circulation.
                  All my photos in publications appear MMG.
                  Outwardly, it is impossible to distinguish from a combat one.

                  Best regards,
  7. +16
    19 December 2021 09: 36
    What happened?
    Inspired by a little black humor
    - What happened to him?
    - I cleaned my weapon and accidentally shot myself.
    - And why is he all bruised and bruised?
    - Refused to clean the weapon.
    1. +9
      19 December 2021 14: 02
      From the series "I announce to you three days of execution, .. uninterrupted ..."

      Best regards,
  8. +10
    19 December 2021 10: 57
    Thank you. Excellent detailed article. Not even an article, but a whole lecture at the faculty of firearms ...)))))
    All the best to the author, we look forward to continuing.
    1. +5
      19 December 2021 14: 05
      Thank you for the appreciation of my work and for the kind words!
      I wrote in such a way that it would be interesting to read it myself. good

      Best regards,
  9. +4
    19 December 2021 12: 07
    Kote pane Kohanka (Vladislav), dear, you seem to rely only on the documents of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation of the late 20th - early 21st centuries. But there were and still are nuances in the 3-letter system. For example, in the 90s of the last century, your colleagues from the Severodvinsk station rode accompanied by the Arkhangelsk-St. Petersburg train (there were trailers from Severodvinsk at that time). -Arkhangelsk, to which the cars were attached to St. Petersburg, it was about 1,5 o'clock. Yes, the person on duty at the LPM received a PM for a day, but in the morning. And no one from the leadership of the LPM in the Severodvinsk Department of Internal Affairs, where there was a gun shop, in which the linemen's weapons were kept, were neither at the delivery nor at the reception of weapons. The very leadership of the LPM at the Severodvinsk station could have been at the time of the issuance of weapons in Arkhangelsk: at the LPM at the management or in the transport prosecutor's office, or at the Office, already in Yaroslavl ... Dear Morskoy Kot (Konstantin), did not write where and when the shooting took place .. ...
    Today is the day of military counterintelligence in the Russian Federation. Contracts serving the White Sea naval base PMy, in the 90s of the 20th century, did not receive their own every day. But the "green" that the air defense regiment served, had weapons in constant storage and carrying, it took almost an hour and a half to go to the gunsmith of his own department, the Far North ...
  10. +6
    19 December 2021 12: 11
    Okolotochny (Alexey), and at home the kitchen is the most convenient place. For many years I only cleaned there in the apartment. On the balcony, in the bathroom and in the toilet, however, I have never tried it, I tried it in the rooms - but I didn’t like it.
    1. +2
      19 December 2021 18: 07
      "in the bathroom and toilet" I also did not clean the toilet. Usually I cleaned in the corridor, and my husband was in the room.
    2. +3
      19 December 2021 18: 51
      the kitchen is the most comfortable place.

      It looks like everyone has this most comfortable place ... laughing

      Best regards,
  11. +7
    19 December 2021 12: 27
    Thanks to the author. A very useful article.
    The detailed description of the design was very pleasing.
    To be honest, I did not even know about such a feature.
    1. +5
      19 December 2021 18: 53
      Thank you for your appreciation of my work!
      Best regards,
  12. +7
    19 December 2021 13: 43
    When I first dealt with Parabellum (1984), the "feature" with a sear was perceived not as a design jamb, but as a special one. counter (the ability to shoot "from the sleeve" by disconnecting the barrel with the receiver from everything else) winked what can you do, young green. The article is credible, although only one episode from the history of "fuses for Parabellum" is covered, but it is fully covered, not "from a cavalry raid", as is the case recently for some articles on topwar.
    1. +5
      19 December 2021 15: 17
      Thanks for your kind words!
      The rest of the fuses that did not pass the tender will be continued.

      Best regards,
  13. +12
    19 December 2021 13: 48
    Firstly, thanks to the author for the interesting material.
    And I will add a little.
    But Ludwig Shivi, on the contrary, was practically unknown to anyone in comparison with her competitor.
    The first one was adopted for unknown reasons. Perhaps because it was better / simpler / cheaper than all the proposed solutions. Perhaps Shivi had connections and acquaintances who knew the right people. Or maybe he was just the first to come up with the right solution, getting a patent six months earlier than any of the competitors.
    The story is silent about it.

    Here the author is a little mistaken. Ludwig Shivi was well known among the Berlin gunsmiths.

    In this photo from about 1920, Ludwig Shivi is the second from the left among the famous Berlin gunsmiths, members of the capital's hunting club "Diana". It is one of the oldest hunting clubs in Germany, founded in 1896. True, formally, from 1938 to 1945, the club was disbanded, but the connections did not disappear.
    And the second point. Ludwig Shivi was one of Hermann Goering's favorite gunsmiths.

    This is a double-barreled fitting made by Ludwig Shivi in ​​1932 and owned by Goering.
    1. +9
      19 December 2021 15: 42
      - thanks to the author for the interesting material

      Thank you for the kind words and for very interesting addition!

      Yes, Ludwig Shivi was famous in certain Berlin circles.
      In this case, in comparison with the firm Karl Walter in the rest of Germany, he was not so famous.
      But! By the way, you gave me an interesting idea!
      Hermann Guerin on February 2, 1933 personally headed the Prussian police.
      From April 11, 1933 - Minister-President of Prussia.
      On January 30, 1935, Hitler instructed Goering to fulfill his duties as the Reichsstatgalter of Prussia.
      On April 25, 1933, Goering created the State Secret Police (Gestapo) and became its chief.
      And if, as you write, Ludwig Shivi was one of Hermann Goering's favorite gunsmiths, it becomes quite obvious why the police of Prussia, and then other Lands, adopted the Shivi fuse, and not some other fuse.
      It is likely that personal acquaintance with Goering played a decisive role.
      How can we not recall the story of the Parabellums for the Luftwaffe ...

      Can I recognize you as a source of information?
      I use only proven facts for each publication.
      I double-check information from different sources.
      About Ludwig Shivi himself, they write differently in the Internet, for example, on Ganz.ru:
      "Ludwig Shivi is one of the best German gunsmiths who worked before the war. Some" experts "claim that Shivi is supposedly Goering's favorite gunsmith. These are fairy tales, although Goering really had a Shivi gun."
      Therefore, I would like to glean information from trusted sources ...

      Best regards,
      1. +5
        19 December 2021 16: 20
        Can I recognize you as a source of information?

        Of course you can
        https://www.jaktojagare.se/kategorier/nyheter/gorings-bossmakare-20070109/
        https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/schiwy-ludwig-of-berlin/

        This is a plate from the fitting in my first comment.
        1. +4
          19 December 2021 18: 57
          Great addition!
          Thank you very much!
          It looks like another little secret in story 08 has been revealed!

          Best regards,
  14. +9
    19 December 2021 14: 29
    hi Many thanks to the dear Author, Yuri Kudelin, for an Interesting Topic and a very Detailed, very Visual High-Quality Article! good
    Once again I am convinced that
    Live and learn!
    Yes
    1. +3
      19 December 2021 18: 58
      Thank you for your attention and kind words!

      Best regards,
  15. +6
    19 December 2021 14: 41
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    One to one, only with AK74. On guard, in a neighboring platoon, a cadet fired at a bullet trap (a board above the discharge site). Everyone is shocked. Starley, keeping calm, says "well, go on" ... And the cadet ONCE pulls the trigger with the magazine unbuttoned !!!
    Here he already, in the literal sense, earned on the neck.

    Our regiment commander believed that the shot when unloading was the fault of the nachkar (KZakVO 83-85), I remember, they just came from training to the regiment, passed the checkpoint and then a loud command: "Unload the weapon!" - the clack of the bolt and a savory blow, we look: in the guard town at the unloading stand, two changing of the guard are in formation and the lieutenant-nachkar is trying to make a "random shot when unloading", i.e. twitches the shutter without disconnecting the magazine, does not have time to press the trigger, because he immediately gets a ramrod on the hand from the lieutenant colonel standing next to him and so several times in a row, to fix it so to speak .., we are all stunned, far from easy,: it turned out - - two hours before that, a "accidental shot when unloading" was fired and the regiment commander thus demonstrated that there could be no such accidents if everyone was responsible for fulfilling their duties; the lesson was memorable even for us, who saw it from the outside.
  16. +4
    19 December 2021 15: 06
    Gunfighter95 (Yuri), dear, the question is not entirely on the topic: Who, where, when and why produced cartridges with a wooden bullet in Germany? I had to hold in my hands 7,92 for 57 Mauser cartridges with a pointed bullet and 9 for 19 pairs, with wooden bullets without painting (unlike those shown in the photo), in color like oak or hornbeam.
    ,
    1. +7
      19 December 2021 15: 55
      Who, where, when and why produced cartridges with a wooden bullet in Germany?

      It is called Platzpatrone in German. These are training cartridges. Produced in almost all countries, including Russia, even before the First World War. Moreover, not only with wood, but also with paper.
      1. +3
        19 December 2021 23: 46
        It is called Platzpatrone in German. These are training cartridges.

        Probably, after all, a blank cartridge.
        Cartridges with a wooden bullet and loaded with gunpowder are blank cartridges.
        But there were also dummy cartridges with a wooden bullet - there was no gunpowder in such cartridges.
        Later, the training cartridges had a different look.



        Best regards,
    2. +5
      19 December 2021 23: 26
      Almost all manufacturers of cartridges produced cartridges with a wooden bullet in Germany. Such cartridges were in service not only with the police, but also with the army. There were several options. One of the types bore the name "Platzpatron 33", which translated as "Blank cartridge" - it was a rifle cartridge 7,92 x 57. Basically, such cartridges were used for training purposes - to practice the skills of the shooter and during training. When fired, this bullet shattered into many chips, capable of severely injuring a person at a short distance.
      A cartridge with a wooden bullet and no gunpowder was used as a training cartridge.
      Another version of such cartridges with a wooden bullet was used by the Germans to shoot rifle grenades. In 1940, they adopted a thirty-millimeter rifle grenade launcher in the form of a mortar attached to the muzzle of the barrel. 16 types of such grenades have been developed. To fire a grenade, a blank cartridge was used. Each type of grenade had its own such cartridges with different amounts of gunpowder.

      For Parabellum pistols, 9x19 blank cartridges with a wooden bullet were used.
      Until 1940, they had a color, later they were produced without a color.

      Best regards,
  17. +1
    19 December 2021 16: 30
    [quote = Vladimir_2U] Excellent article, these are not Shpakovsky's translated tops, this is serious work!
    What would you do without me! Since March 2021, the author has only 6 articles, and I have 180. If the site was guided by such articles, you would have nothing to read in it. Updates would take place once a month. And he would go broke in a month, because he would have nothing to sell! Don't be like a pig under an oak tree.
    1. +1
      19 December 2021 16: 39
      Don't break your heart, Vyacheslav Olegovich. For readers of this kind, the main thing is to regularly upload relevant content to the "News" section.
      1. 0
        19 December 2021 17: 14
        Quote: Undecim
        Don't break your heart, Vyacheslav Olegovich. For readers of this kind, the main thing is to regularly upload relevant content to the "News" section.

        As if you don't know me, Viktor Nikolaevich. I write this that two fingers ... be. What a rush here ...
        1. +7
          19 December 2021 19: 23
          I write this that two fingers ... be.


          I envy you with kind white envy.
          I can't write that fast. Apparently, experience is not enough ... lol

          Best regards,
    2. +9
      19 December 2021 19: 20
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, take it easy!
      How many people, so many opinions.
      You write interestingly and about many unusual things!
      It's always a pleasure to read you!
      I like no one understand the difference between "write" and "read".
      Writing is always much more difficult than reading. ...
      Anyone can offend an artist.
      I don’t just have so much free time to "sculpt" articles on naked altruism.
      I do it in my free time from work. Therefore, there are only 6 articles.

      I wish you creative success!
      I will always be glad to read something interesting signed by V. Shpakovsky!

      Best wishes and best regards,
      1. +3
        19 December 2021 19: 48
        Thank you, Yuri! It was nice to read this from you. When a person writes himself, and writes well, very well, then it is easy for him to understand his colleagues in the shop. But I'm just all easy. I have a textbook for universities on online journalism written including examples from VO. And there is just about this ... that ... let's say "you" online and "you" - "in real" - these are very different things! And this is exactly what professionalism is.
        1. +7
          19 December 2021 20: 43
          It's just always nice to chat with like-minded people!
          And instead of, Pardon me, "sracha" I prefer a constructive dialogue.
          Nobody is safe from typos, misprints and simple mistakes.
          You can, of course, scrupulously look for the slightest flaws and inflate them to the skies, or you can simply suggest where the author's inaccuracy is.
          I prefer the latter.
          You have to use different sources.
          And their quality is also different. There are also language problems.
          Here, the quality of the translation also largely influences the quality of the publication.

          Best regards and best wishes,
          PS Thanks for the message. I will definitely answer you.
  18. +3
    19 December 2021 20: 36
    Excellent material, painstaking work. With love for your work. How does the author relate to the three main problems of the Luger P.08 - locking, releasing the drummer after the delivery, capricious ramming?
    1. +4
      19 December 2021 23: 58
      Thank you, I'm glad that you liked it and that you appreciated my work!
      As the experience of wars has shown, a high production culture often goes sideways in terms of the reliability of weapons. This did not pass and Parabellum. Small clearances, in fact, selective assembly with manual adjustment of each sample made the pistol very sensitive to contamination, lack / excess of lubricant. Experienced front-line soldiers, after sending the cartridge into the chamber, necessarily "slammed" from above along the rocker at the point of its connection with the bloodworm. In order to ensure that the shutter is closed. This can only be viewed negatively.

      Best regards,
  19. +2
    19 December 2021 21: 09
    Undecim, dear, thank you for your prompt reply, and even with a photo! I didn’t read about paper bullets, didn’t hear about the production of training cartridges in Russia, alas, didn’t know. Did the Germans have gunpowder in such training cartridges, their charge was not reduced? I also heard either a legend, or ... that the Germans used such cartridges with a reduced charge of gunpowder and a wooden bullet to shoot prisoners.
  20. +1
    19 December 2021 21: 33
    Gunfighter95 (Yuri), Astra wild2 (Mother's joy) remember the movie "The Adventure of Electronics"? and a dog named Rassie of the Airedale breed? Here is the same goof named Chief with cunning eyes, mustache, beard and ears at different heights (no matter how much his ears were glued, the right one did not rise exactly in height with the left one), not very shaggy paws, the height at the withers is the maximum according to the standard and docked tail took up a lot of space in the corridor in my apartment. There was no way he could fit in the corridor with the PM, although the table was there.
    1. +3
      20 December 2021 00: 15
      I understand you very well.
      I've got a cookie, girl, by minimum standards.
      But it has some mystical property to occupy all the free space in the apartment ... laughing

      Best regards,
  21. +1
    19 December 2021 21: 38
    Parabellum for the police is a bit of a strange choice in my opinion, as it is an army pistol (large and lethal).
    I represent law enforcement officers with Stechkin in a holster, instead of Makarov. what
    1. +3
      19 December 2021 22: 14
      the first major buyer is the Swiss police, although in a different caliber, in fact, for them, the Swiss, the Parabellum competition was made, because they refused to buy Borchard.
      1. +3
        19 December 2021 22: 27
        It is clear, of course, that since he got into the police, there were reasons ...
        But, discreetly or in a pocket, it is not very convenient to carry it, something more "flat and smooth" is asked for. Well i think so what
        1. +3
          19 December 2021 22: 41
          just at the time of the announcement of the competition, the best that was was the Mauser S96 and Borchardt, so the Luger in caliber 7.65, created under their own Swiss requirements, was for happiness, because it was 1899. Actually Luger, which we know and love, is a police pistol, the way the police saw it at the end of the 5th century. A flatter and more convenient one, without a big loss in performance characteristics, appeared only after 10-XNUMX years.
          1. +4
            20 December 2021 00: 32
            A flatter and more convenient one, without a big loss in performance characteristics, appeared only after 5-10 years.


            That's right!
            The Karl Walter firm was perhaps the first to create a pistol specifically for the police - PP, Police Pistole.
            And later, even more compactly, PPK - for the criminal police. Perfect for concealed carry.
            Unas is just one PM - both a reaper and a player on the pipe.
            And so in the police of other countries, there was still a division into weapons for the patrol police (larger) and for concealed carrying.

            Best regards,
      2. +3
        20 December 2021 00: 33
        They did Parabellum because they refused to buy Borchard

        At that time, the brainchild of Luger was perhaps the most compact pistol of this class.

        Best regards,
    2. +4
      20 December 2021 00: 24
      a bit of an odd choice as this is an army pistol (big and lethal).

      In 1910, the Gendarmerie tested weapons in order to select and accept the winner for service.
      Tested pistol Dreise caliber 9 mm, R.08 and Reichsrevolver model 1883 with a double action trigger.
      All other samples were dropped during the selection stage for testing.
      As a result, they made a choice in favor of R.08.
      In Brussels in 2001, I saw police officers with FN HP in holsters.
      And you can't call high power small.

      Best regards,
  22. +2
    20 December 2021 01: 12
    "Senior corporal ..."?
    - Obergefreiter, with your permission ... Air defense artilleryman.
    1. +2
      20 December 2021 17: 31
      Lance corporal.
      Thanks! I will not argue.
      In this case, I relied on the original source - from the English rank it says "Lance Corporal".
      Most likely, it was the authors of the book who indicated the rank of corporal (accepted in the American army) as equivalent to the German rank of corporal.
      To make it clearer for the English-speaking reader.
      The rank of corporal in the German army corresponds to the rank of corporal in the American army.
      And, probably, I should really have indicated the title in the German manner - the poster is still German.

      Best regards,
  23. -4
    22 December 2021 17: 21
    Maybe someone will explain, but did not understand the most important thing: after all, a revolver is considered a police weapon, and a pistol is an army weapon.
    I admit that in our country the PM replaces everything and everyone, but this is because of poverty .... We make both an airplane and a helicopter so that it can work at the same time even instead of a sewing machine. But the Germans? A rich state where they don't even steal ...
    1. 0
      23 December 2021 12: 14
      There is no such division into police and army weapons by their type.
      Now the police are all armed with pistols.
      And the army simply refused them.
      But before the advent of self-loading pistols, all the armies of the world without exception were armed with revolvers.
      It is not for nothing that some models are called that:
      Colt Army Special, Colt New Army, US Army M1917, S&W US Army M1917.
      And for the police:
      Colt Offical Police, Colt Police Positive, Colt Detective Special, S&W Military and Police (by the way, universal - for the army and police), S&W Highway Patrolman, etc.

      Best regards,
  24. 0
    10 January 2022 15: 09
    Thanks a lot for the article. I knew nothing about it. Now I know I have a 1942 Parabellum holster. You didn't say anything about the pocket inside the holster. For the patron? What for?
    1. 0
      13 January 2022 02: 00
      Thanks so much for the article.


      Thank you for your kind words!
      Are you talking about the triangular pocket in the holster lid?
      This is for the screwdriver / loading booster (makes it easier to equip the magazine with cartridges).
      Shown in the photo with a red arrow.

      Best regards,

      1. +1
        13 January 2022 13: 28
        Yes, exactly this one. An unexpected solution to this riddle for me. But she is over 50 years old. Thanks again.
        1. 0
          13 January 2022 13: 30
          Always happy to help!

          Best regards,