Stopler, Daft, Collier revolvers. How did it all begin?

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Stopler, Daft, Collier revolvers. How did it all begin?

The very first revolver in the world. Year of manufacture 1597. The stamp belongs to the German blacksmith and gunsmith from Nuremberg Hans Stopler. Eight-shot revolver with snaphons lock. Meichgen Museum in Lillehammer, Norway

… And quickly the lightning of His judgment flashes.
Sirach 43: 14

History firearms weapons. Needless to say, the firing of the first fire-fighting guns was not only quite effective, but at the same time extremely slow, which, of course, could not but irritate all those who used them. The archer managed to fire 12 arrows or more, while the arquebusier, fiddling with gunpowder, a bullet, soda and a wick, was just finishing preparations for a shot.

Therefore, it is not surprising that the reloading of hand-held firearms was immediately tried and accelerated - they came up with multi-barrel wick systems. They fired really quickly, but the presence of several barrels at once significantly increased their weight and metal consumption. Therefore, already at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, people thought of pistols and guns with store food, in which the charges were placed in cylindrical drums.




And this is his drum and flintlock. The sliding covers above the ignition holes on the drum are clearly visible ...


Revolver by John Daft. Right view. Royal Arsenal, Tower

A feature of the Daft revolver was a drum that rotated inside the casing, which was undoubtedly done in order to protect the covers of the ignition holes from possible displacement. Thanks to the casing, it was only possible to open the cover that was at the top under the lock!

And already in 1530, an arquebus with a wick lock and a drum for ten charges appeared in Germany. The same system, of course, with manual rotation of the drum, was used in pistols.


Drum device


The same revolver, left side. The metal brace with which he was attached to the waist belt or harness is clearly visible ...

But such a system was very inconvenient and did not find widespread use.

People all the time tried to speed up not only the reloading process itself, but also the firing process, and over time it succeeded. Instead of a primitive and extremely dependent on weather conditions, a wick lock was invented first a wheel lock, and then a snaphons or schnaphan lock, that is, a “striking trigger”, in which a trigger with flint or pyrite struck an L-shaped flint, located above the firing hole on the barrel flange.

And with this castle, John Daft, a London gunsmith, around 1680 created a six-shot revolver with a rotating drum, which is considered the very first revolving pistol of this type.


Revolver Daft. Front view

The surviving example, which is in the Royal Arsenal, does not have the name of the manufacturer, but it is nevertheless believed to be the work of John Daft, a "free man" of the London Arms Company. In 1683, Daft was accused of supplying weapons to the alleged assassins of King Charles II, who were involved in the Rye House conspiracy. He was acquitted and, despite this episode, received the title of "master gunsmith" in 1694, three years before his death.


Revolver Daft. Front view. The drum was fixed with a plate with protrusions, under which recesses were made on the drum

There is another flintlock revolver in the Tower Arsenal, but the exact time of its manufacture is unknown. It could have been made in 1600-1699. Not earlier, but not later ...


Revolver 1600-1699 Royal Arsenal, Tower

Around 1700 (or about 1710), the Snaphons revolver, designed by Master Anneli, appeared.

This is a very early example of a "real" revolver with a fixed barrel in front of a rotating cylinder and a side flintlock. On top is a flat spring with an end pin, which, with its help, held the drum in the correct position for the shot (through the corresponding holes on the drum).

The barrel is typical for British pistols "cannon shape", with the exception of the breech, which is somewhat enlarged and has a cutout, which could be seen on later revolvers of the Colt type, which served to facilitate drum loading. The barrel also features light hardwood engraving.


Revolver Anneli

The drum contains eight chambers with matching recesses that are closed by sliding covers, each with a small handle and controlled by a flat spring to keep it open or closed (not halfway).

The L-shaped flint is specially curved to center it above the drum. Accordingly, a spring is screwed to it, which holds it either in a combat (that is, vertical) position, or in a folded position.


Revolver Anneli. Overall dimensions of the revolver: total length 325 mm, barrel length 137 mm, total weight 1,29 kg, caliber 0,398 inches

In addition to revolvers with an impact lock, there were also revolvers with wheel locks.

In particular, in the collection of the Royal Arsenal there is such a six-shot revolver with such a lock. True, it is arranged rather primitively. So, for each shot, the drum had to be turned manually. But it was still better than nothing. The ignition holes were located at the end of the drum. When it rotated, what was opposite the lock opened and a stream of sparks rushed there when the wheel of the flint was turned.


Wheeled revolver. Barrel length 356 mm. Overall length 685 mm. Weight 1,616 kg


View, so to speak, in "full growth" ...


Powell's revolver with a flintlock impact lock. A feature of this revolver was the use of a French battery lock. That is, the flint box on it was combined with the flint shelf cover. Total length 291 mm. Barrel length 125 mm. Weight 0,675 kgs


An original Spanish rifle with a Mediterranean-style lock called a michelet, from the early 1th century by the master Rovira. It had an original four-shooter drum, made not only of iron, but also of wood, and decorated with silver notching. Barrel length 077 mm. Total length 1 mm. Weight 543 kg.


Flintlock revolving shotgun with manual drum rotation. Here its creator did not rack his brains over the ignition system, but simply put a flint with a folding shelf and an ignition hole on each chamber of the drum. Gunpowder was poured on them one by one. The shelves were closed, then the drum was turned, and the flint of the trigger hit the flint. True, they stuck out in all directions, but ... apparently, the owner of the gun put up with this inconvenience. It dates back to 1732. From the old collection of the Tower. It was originally the property of the Marquis de Pombal (1699-1782), chief minister of Portugal and ambassador to London 1739-1745.


The characteristic Spanish shape of the stock with ribs and ridges. Gold inlay on the breech. Barrel length 944 mm. Total length 1 mm. Weight 428 kgs


But this more than strange four-shot match gun was made in India sometime between 1801 and 1830.


Needless to say - the design is nowhere simpler! Total length 1 mm. Barrel length 477 mm. Drum length 1 mm. Caliber 013 mm


Well, and this is already a fairly well-known example: Eliisha Hayden Collier (1788-1856) from Boston (Massachusetts), who came with his revolver to England, and received a patent for it

It was a five-shot flint revolver with a hand-rotated barrel. It had an octagonal barrel with a tube for a cleaning rod. But Collier's most important achievement in this case was a special leaf spring with which the drum was pressed against the barrel. The chambers themselves, facing towards the barrel, had a groove, thanks to which they, in turn, as in the revolver of 1895, could approach it, which excluded the breakthrough of gases between the end of the drum and the end of the barrel!


Drum. Side view. The ignition holes of the covers do not have, since the drum is covered with a casing at the rear. Only the uppermost opening of the firing barrel opens, into which every time the flint was lowered, gunpowder was poured from the dispenser


Drum. Front view. The annular grooves of the chambers are visible

A very important improvement was the attachment attached directly to the flint, which was an automatic powder dispenser for seed powder. This made it possible to reload the revolver much faster after each shot, and therefore to shoot faster!

The total length of the revolver is 667 mm. Barrel length 159 mm. More than 1 of them were made, and many were sent to British officers in India ...

It is believed that Samuel Colt, while sailing, saw this revolver there and wanted to improve it, first of all, by putting a ratchet from the capstan on the drum.


Revolving gun Collier or Wheeler (?) 1820


This is a full-length gun. Total length 1 mm. Barrel length 191 mm. Total weight 654 kg


Flintlock revolving rifle designed by L. Kolb. Dated to 1824. Made in Berlin. It has a five-charge drum with pushing on the breech of the barrel and a dispenser for priming powder, similar to the Collier's device. The barrel is octagonal, rifled, with eight grooves and a bayonet mount. A sight with two folding racks. Total length 1 108 mm. Barrel length 645 mm. Total weight 4,73 kg

Such a gun could be fully adopted by the army, but its cost was much higher than ordinary flintlock guns, it was more difficult to take care of it, and the capsule weapon began to appear a little ...

It became obvious that the time of the flintlock weapon, even the most perfect one, was running out.

Only 16 years will pass, and the first Colt capsule revolver in the world will loudly announce its appearance ...

PS


For lovers of everything domestic, I can tell you that there was such a master in Russia, Pervusha Isaev, who in 1625 made a set for Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich, consisting of a pistol with a drum for six charges and a squeak with a drum for five, and both the pistol and the squeak were rifled trunks. But this is all that I can write about him, since the format of the material provides for the use of photographs, but they are not. No, because the originals themselves are in ... our Hermitage. And whoever wants to, he himself can try to look for them! Both photographs and originals ...
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  1. +22
    18 December 2021 05: 39
    Thanks to the author for the interesting story, good morning everyone and pleasant reading!
    1. +17
      18 December 2021 06: 45
      What kind of "kind soul" has "stuck" minuses to everyone early in the morning? The hamster did not master two of the Author's articles on Saturday? Or is there an itch, but we cannot argue for it?
      In principle, such a breed of people surprises, they wish her "breed" a good day, and she, in "gratitude" from the sly to you, tries to shit at the front entrance !!!
      Sick!
      1. +13
        18 December 2021 06: 53
        Do not be surprised at this, there is such a breed of people who feel good when they shit on the people around them ... they are just dirty tricks. smile
        Rather, they should be shown to psychiatrists in order to prescribe treatment for such a pernicious passion. what
      2. +17
        18 December 2021 06: 53
        Never mind
      3. +11
        18 December 2021 07: 01
        I subscribe to the words of the first commentator.
        Actually, I thought that I had already read everything about revolvers ... Yeah, how - Vyacheslav Olegovich will always dig out something new!)))
        And I will correct the "minus". Probably, someone has already begun to celebrate Saturday ...
        1. +14
          18 December 2021 07: 54
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And I will correct the "minus"

          These are people who fight me like that. Well, not a minus to me, so to those who praise! Don't praise!
          1. +13
            18 December 2021 08: 19
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And I will correct the "minus"

            These are people who fight me like that. Well, not a minus to me, so to those who praise! Don't praise!

            Earlier, Vyacheslav Olegovich, although they rolled out armored cars and waved red flags, most of the "old people" argued their disagreement and themselves upset "amateurs will throw a stone at the professor." The same VikNik will not let you miss a mistake or a mistake, but he will always say thank you and add valuable comments to your work.
            Good day and thanks for today's articles!
            1. +14
              18 December 2021 08: 23
              So after all, people like VikNik are still rare ... More often we still meet with others ...
          2. +16
            18 December 2021 08: 26
            Don't praise!
            But we will not, as soon as you start writing uninteresting articles about weapons, we will not, but for now, only sincere words of gratitude for the work!
            Year of manufacture 1597. The stamp belongs to the German blacksmith and gunsmith from Nuremberg Hans Stopler.
            A carbine with an early shock lock, 1580-1590s, Augsburg, Germany ... Collection of the Hermitage!
            Multi-barrel with a rotating block of barrels, Indian workmanship on the Portuguese models, 17th century ....
            1. +8
              18 December 2021 11: 19
              Quote: Crowe
              as soon as you start writing uninteresting articles about weapons

              Do not wait!
          3. +8
            18 December 2021 16: 03
            Good afternoon, Vyacheslav! hi
            Glad to meet you again in the "Weapons" section, thank you for your efforts. good




            British 4-round revolver, circa 1600s.
          4. +5
            18 December 2021 19: 06
            Honestly, I did not understand what was there with the "minuses", but your article is great! To squeeze out so much revolving ... (!) fellow It is not simple ! You must be able to do this! Yes
      4. +8
        18 December 2021 12: 11
        "Kind soul" all in the morning, early in the morning, "stuck" cons
        There is one smart guy here wassat - complained once (and more than once) that multi-star generals leave useless (from his point of view) comments so that others will raise their ratings. So, they say, they stuff their shoulder straps.
      5. +6
        18 December 2021 17: 18
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        What kind of "kind soul" has "stuck" minuses to everyone early in the morning? The hamster did not master two of the Author's articles on Saturday?

        The conscientious historian rightly considered that none of those present noted the role of the masters of Asgard of Aryan in the manufacture of Melee firearms based on the symbiosis of technologies of d'Aryans and Pravoorosov.
  2. +17
    18 December 2021 05: 53
    master Pervusha Isaev, who in 1625 made a set for Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich


    1. +14
      18 December 2021 06: 56
      Good day everyone! The article is amazing, although as a "neophyte" I can assume that given the composition of black powder in the 16-17th centuries, many charging devices like "pistols" and "rifles" were conditional. Probably on the third shot at least it was necessary to clean the barrel from carbon deposits. Even in the enlightened 19th century, technological weapons from the American Civil War required cleaning the barrel after two or three cycles. Otherwise, there was a chance to get a burst "drum in the eye".
      1. +15
        18 December 2021 07: 10
        The article is excellent! And the author also intrigued Pervusha Isaev - I could not find the image stamp, maybe the comrades will help as soon as they come. Especially in St. Petersburg's hope .. I only found that Isaev was the only Russian master of the first half of the XNUMXth century who branded his products and, in addition, the only Russian master of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries who used a figurative image as a hallmark, rather than letter initials or a name, similar pictorial hallmarks are more characteristic of European masters. The stigma of Pervushi Isaev exists in two versions, in one of them, under the image of a swan, you can see letters, and it is quite possible that they are Latin, not Russian.
        1. +14
          18 December 2021 08: 34
          I also found that he, apparently, made the lock and the barrel himself, but the wooden box was already made by the master Ivan Rodionov. In addition to the multi-shot drum, he also made single-shot weapons. For example, a pair of fancy flintlock pistols. They are made so skillfully that there is no doubt about the skill of Pervushi.
          A wonderful master!
          1. +13
            18 December 2021 09: 00
            I also found that the specialization was rather narrow and the craftsmen worked closely - here is an entry in the Expenditure Book for Gold 1624-1625: “February, on the fourth day of Pervushe Isaev, four gold Ugric gold plated for the Tevris saber for gilding ... that was taken from Olfer that strip. . "And further" March on the third day to Yury Yakovlev on the dragged two golden Ugric to the saber. And that gold drawn from Yury was taken and given to the foreman Boris Suetin to direct the saber band with Tevriskoy bulls, which was gilded by Pervusha Isaev in the fourth number. " Yuri Yakovlev, the master-guide of the Armory, Boris Suetin, made the pattern with this gold. Close cooperation, and our Pervusha Isaev was not only a "lock master", but he could also decorate not only pistols. A master of all trades. At the same time, his revolver remains the only Russian weapon of the 17th century that has come down to our time, equipped with a French lock.
            1. +6
              18 December 2021 11: 09
              Quote: Crowe
              equipped with a French lock

              Not French ... snaphons or Mediterranean type. More precisely, I will not say, you have to look into the castle. There is no flint and shelf cover combined! And this is the main feature of a French castle.
  3. +7
    18 December 2021 06: 01
    What machines were used to make weapons in 1530 ... there were no lathes at that time. what
    In the same drums, it was necessary to drill the same holes with the same location and pitch ... it is wonderful, however, given the archaic structure of the feudal economy. what
    Here Vyacheslav is another unplowed field for historical research in the field of weapons manufacturing.
    Each master had his own secrets ... have they survived to this day?
    I'm afraid it's true that the disclosure of this topic runs into the criminal code of our country ... smile which we must honor.
    1. +9
      18 December 2021 07: 06
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      there were no lathes at that time

      Everything was. Not electrically driven. The potter's wheel is the same lathe ...

      Quote: Lech from Android.

      In the same drums, it was necessary to drill the same holes with the same location and pitch ... it's wonderful, however, given the archaic structure of the economy


      You can also drill the same holes with the same pitch. You are just not familiar with tool making ...
      1. +7
        18 December 2021 07: 31
        Yes, I'm not familiar ... but I had to manually work with a file and a saw for metal ... smile I've got enough calluses on my fingers.
        Therefore, I am amazed at the medieval craftsmen ... did they have our vices, files, drills, metal saws at that time?
        The production of tooling is also a level of metallurgy that must be appropriate.
        1. +8
          18 December 2021 07: 42
          wondering about medieval craftsmen ... did they have our vices, files, drills, metal saws at that time?

          Everything was! There was not only super alloy steels and mass production, which will come much later.
        2. +11
          18 December 2021 07: 57
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Therefore, I am amazed at the medieval craftsmen ... did they have our vices, files, drills, metal saws at that time?
          The production of tooling is also a level of metallurgy that must be appropriate.

          Everything was! Files are so famous since ancient Egypt!
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    3. +12
      18 December 2021 07: 56
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      What machines were used to make weapons in 1530 ... there were no lathes at that time.

      Were! Still as they were. The guns were drilled!
      1. +9
        18 December 2021 08: 28
        Vyacheslav, tell us about it in detail ... it's no less interesting than the weapon itself. hi
        I have a failure in this area of ​​expertise. smile
        1. +11
          18 December 2021 08: 32
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Vyacheslav, tell us about it in detail ... it's no less interesting than the weapon itself.
          I have a failure in this area of ​​expertise.

          Yes you are right. The topic is interesting. And I have something for her for sure! But this is not tomorrow.
      2. +13
        18 December 2021 08: 31
        I went down to the air conditioner on purpose.


        Wood rasp, roughly late 19th century.
        1. +12
          18 December 2021 08: 34
          Another file, but already a factory one. Mid 19th century.
          1. +12
            18 December 2021 09: 44
            Mid 19th century
            Class! Many have thrown away the "old stuff" or handed it over to scrap metal, and now they regret it. But our old instrument has survived - both tsarist and Soviet times - in comparison with modern heaven and earth! Neighbors often turn, we do not refuse, good people do not mind - a tool for centuries!
            1. +11
              18 December 2021 11: 03
              Quote: Crowe
              But our old instrument has survived - and the royal ones,

              My great-grandfather was a foreman of railway repair shops. The house was built in 1882. And in the shed I put it on an anvil - a buffer from a railway car. As doper - only God knows. Well, I brought a bunch of tools. And they all passed to my grandfather, and from him to me. I still use vices, files, pliers ... Much has survived. And everything is comfortable and durable.
            2. +9
              18 December 2021 11: 52
              "heaven and earth" is exactly right. The plowman had a three-sided file, it was still in the 50s and the grooves were not yet worn out (in the 70s), but now the file is not enough for a year. Or maybe my arms have already grown on the other side?
        2. +8
          18 December 2021 11: 27
          Namesake, hello. So is it you, our spioneer rasp? My godfather had a rasp, at the base of the handle, some kind of emblem. But ours looked "younger". I processed a lot of wheel spokes with it.
          The plowman is a rural carpenter, he repaired carts, he will saw the spokes for the wheels, and I will use a rasp.
          1. +7
            18 December 2021 12: 14
            No namesake, in the Krasnodar Territory I was not engaged in theft, instruments.
            But in the south, even in tsarist times, instruments from the Urals could appear.
            I personally saw "notes" about the shipment of "workbenches, emery and grinding stones, hand-held machines for them ... for factory needs" to the Tauride, Kherson provinces and Yekaterinodar at the end of the century before last.
            They got mine from my grandfather, just like him, but how they got to Great-Great-Great-grandfather, I don't know. The fact that before the revolution for sure and that with the Nizhneserginsky iron-making plant for sure.
            1. +3
              18 December 2021 21: 48
              "did not study", but I was hoping that "tatya caught"
    4. +10
      18 December 2021 12: 51
      There were very complex and interesting machine designs. For example, Nartov's machines. It is true the beginning of the 18th century, but they can be viewed live in the Hermitage. A fusion of technology and art. There were also technologies that made it possible to very accurately measure, mark, and manufacture. This level is similar to modern electronics or aircraft technology. Only a few masters had such capabilities.
      Well, to be amazed to the depths of your soul, read the history of the creation of Harrison's marine chronometer. With the history of the tender, the specifications of the assignment and just look at the final design of the watch.
      1. +2
        18 December 2021 21: 50
        Where to read. In Vick?
        1. +1
          19 December 2021 00: 28
          Svyatoslav, to be honest, I don't trust Vika. Very often, in addition to efficient, they add various ... nonsense.

          Better a little more specialized articles. For example, briefly here:
          https://geolines.ru/publications/HISTORY-ON-LINE/ChASY-I-MORYePLAVANIYe.html
          http://inhoras.com/persona/garrison
          Pictures in Yandex. Look at the mechanism in a good photo. This is a work of art.
          The chronometer story has several points to note.
          1. The amount of remuneration is colossal. The reason - the fate of the nation depended on the solution of the problem (it is strongly said, but not far from the truth). The accuracy of determining the longitude depends on the accuracy of the clock. For many months, the on-board chronometer (usually two per ship) should show Greenwich time with a minimum error. Longitude was determined by the difference between local time and Greenwich. A minute of error is 27 km at the equator. So try again to find in the ocean, for example, previously discovered lands. After several months of sailing from England, the watch left for a few minutes and that's all - the achievements of the previous expedition were lost. That is why such amounts are for accuracy.
          The importance of this product is similar to that of today's Glonas or GPS
          2. The state (Crown) financed strategic developments.
          3. The inventor did not fully comply with the terms of the tender and did not fully receive the prize money.
          4. A number of solutions applied in that project were used before the era of electronic clocks. For example, temperature-compensated pendulums, suspensions that reduce the effect of rolling, etc.

          The topic of time is also touched upon in the literature. Umberto Eco has a philosophical work "The Island on the Eve". One of the plot lines is associated with the task of determining time in space. The novel describes the 17th century. This is not for everybody.
          In any industry, you can find turning points that illustrate the law of the transition from quantity to quality. Once and humanity goes to a new level. It's very interesting to watch, you just need to take a closer look.
  4. +12
    18 December 2021 07: 46
    Fuck, how interesting. I apologize for my "English", pliz !!!
  5. +9
    18 December 2021 10: 53
    The very first revolver in the world

    He's not the very first. It is the oldest surviving one.
  6. +7
    18 December 2021 10: 56
    Good morning everybody!
    As many as two articles in the morning from Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    Thanks to the author!
    Before I could start reading, I immediately stared at the illustration of the Stopler revolver in 1597. Literally, a couple of days ago, I asked the gunsmiths specialists about the evolution of the handle on pistols, why is it "so straight" on the early models? And here's a great illustration! And the massive pommel on the handle seems to provide for the use of this revolver as a "club".
    1. +11
      18 December 2021 11: 06
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      And the massive pommel on the handle seems to provide for the use of this revolver as a "club".

      Not! It was usually empty inside! Screwed on! It contained spare flints. The apple was required so that it was convenient to draw the pistol from the holster. But, of course, in the heat of battle it was possible to hit with the handle. All that is at hand !!!
  7. +9
    18 December 2021 11: 01
    And I like not just revolving weapons, but also "illustrated" ...!


    1-1606; 2-1550s
    1. +7
      18 December 2021 16: 05
      Volodya, hello! hi
      Did you come across such an object? laughing
      1. +3
        18 December 2021 19: 21
        I wish you good health, Kostya! Naturlich! I can add !


        And in order not to be surprised at Sosso, who is not Pavliashvili, the vidos will explain ...

        Well, and to your, not quite real, "chain" I will add an unreal revolver ...
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        1. +1
          18 December 2021 19: 30
          Great selection! good But this material just requires a separate article! smile
          1. +2
            18 December 2021 19: 49
            Quote: Sea Cat
            the material just requires a separate article!

            And I was once sketching a draft of an article about non-standard "drums"! Almost finished, but I urgently had to switch to solving one family problem! Threw it ... then somehow cooled down ... request
            1. +3
              18 December 2021 20: 32
              It would be interesting, sorry ... request
              1. +2
                18 December 2021 21: 07
                I'm sorry too ... recourse but the "stumbling block" is the "legitimization" of illustrations ... I don't really know how to tackle this ... I have drafts of 2 more articles lying around ... in my opinion, interesting ... Now, if there was a person who would agree to help on the terms of co-authorship, but this is so ... rhetorical reflections! And here not everything is simple ... the drafts remained in the "historical homeland"; and now I live in another region ... although, it is possible from memory ...
                1. +1
                  18 December 2021 21: 32
                  I will answer you in a personal.
  8. +8
    18 December 2021 11: 13
    Already a good tradition: Saturday Pan Shpakovsky. Or in Russian: Mr. Skvortsov.
    Once there was a show :: "Shelmenko day" and there was an officer Skvortsov.
    Comrades, for some reason V.O is perceived to me as a speck, at most the headquarters-captain is retired, sits in front of the window and talks about revolvers: "but it was like that"
    1. +8
      18 December 2021 11: 22
      Quote: vladcub
      maximum staff captain retired,

      So I am the staff captain. The candidate of sciences does not pull for more. Candidate Professor - Major. Doctor of Science - Colonel. And generals and marshals are members of the correspondent and academicians!
    2. +6
      18 December 2021 11: 25
      Quote: vladcub
      Mr. Skvortsov.

      Skvortsovsky. And it could have been Shevchenko, if my mother had not got married a second time ... But she did. And he was a good man. And the hope was for the victory of communism. And I could not believe that terry anti-Semitism would flourish in the country!
      1. +1
        18 December 2021 21: 55
        V.O. I spoke about "Shelmenko" there was an officer Skvortsov and fell in love with Pan Shpak's daughter
    3. +1
      18 December 2021 23: 11
      My friend, well, really, why do you need to know who you will represent? Or me? Why? Stas! Dismiss! We? -Matrix!
      1. 0
        19 December 2021 06: 54
        Disagree: evil matrix - one of the Samsonovs had
  9. +8
    18 December 2021 11: 17

    Indian revolving match gun ...
    Well, and what? Well, they loved the wick "business" in India, China, Japan! Already, up to the 19th and 20th centuries! For example, the wick Japanese roarOlvers ... (They just lay on the "surface" in the archive ...)


    Shaw is interesting ... Before each shot it was necessary to pour priming powder onto the "shelf"!
  10. +5
    18 December 2021 11: 40
    The revolver is, of course, interesting! But compact and multiply charged weapons can be obtained in an easier way! What should you call it? And fig knows! Well, here is a double-edged edged weapon ... let there be double-barreled guns!

    Well, something like this...!
    Although I prefer this 7-barrel Italian arquebus ...


    (Taken from the page
    )
  11. +5
    18 December 2021 11: 46
    Here is escho there is a revolving "rifle", but unknown to me ...

  12. +5
    18 December 2021 12: 01
    As always - excellent. constancy is a sign of mastery! Many thanks.
  13. +4
    18 December 2021 12: 05
    Comrades, I don't see Kostya and Nikolayevich, that's why. I appeal to the namesake.
    Namesake, drew attention to the handle of pistols of the 16th-18th centuries? It is not convenient to hold it. By themselves, these pistols could not boast of accuracy, this is not a Glock 19 for you to plant a hundred meters (there is a video on the network: "a sniper pistol), but in addition it is not convenient to hold it
    1. +2
      18 December 2021 12: 50
      Just about, it is uncomfortable to hold a very practically "straight stick". But, there are many nuances, in addition to the convenience of the grip, to do just that.
      1. 0
        18 December 2021 21: 25
        Don't say, means a lot too
    2. +4
      18 December 2021 16: 10
      Glory, hello! hi
      In the morning, guests from Moscow came to me, there was no time for that. We dangled around, while it was warm and light. Now, after dinner, everyone is crawling on the sofas, and here I am.
      So in those days they shot almost at point-blank range, and they apparently did not need ergonomics, the main thing was to get there at all, and where ... well, anywhere, if at all. wink
      1. +4
        18 December 2021 16: 23
        Eh, is it good to wander around the expanses of the Ryazan region? laughing Especially from "this" Moscow. bully
        Hi buddy, just got home from work.
      2. +1
        18 December 2021 21: 37
        That's right: where you are lucky. However, with the then medicine: if 1 out of 100 wounded recovered, after a gunshot, a great miracle.
        Your weather is good if you are strolling in nature, but we have a full paragraph: rain at night and in the morning, wind +4 (at night), and in the daytime +2 and wind. I did not see the sun at all.
        Yes, what was the effective range? Hardly more than 10m.
        1. +1
          18 December 2021 22: 35
          And you look at what distance they fired in duels, so it will be almost clear, and given that dueling pistols are by no means "consumer goods for the infantry."
          1. +1
            19 December 2021 06: 57
            Amendment: dueling pistol 19th century and pistol 16-17 centuries - heaven and earth
            1. 0
              19 December 2021 07: 49
              What are we talking about, if in the 19th century they shot from 25 steps, then what can we say about the 16-17th century.
    3. +4
      18 December 2021 16: 21
      Glory!
      Nikolaevich - "above", and Konstantin - "below" from you, dear! laughing
    4. +3
      18 December 2021 16: 51
      Quote: vladcub
      It is not convenient to hold it.

      There was a rule for the rider: you see the whites of your opponent's eyes - you shoot! The recoil is very strong. Therefore, the hand is extended! In Russia, pistols (and muskets) were generally loaded terribly: for "three cuts, two hryvnia." How to understand? Three cuts - three CYLINDERS in bore caliber. Then two "hryvnia" - two BULLETS. Total: 5 throwing objects, round and cylindrical. Can you imagine destructive power? And the impact?
      1. +1
        18 December 2021 21: 41
        I'm afraid to imagine. I know one thing: our emotional "Amazon" Astra will not want to shoot from such a nightmare
  14. +3
    18 December 2021 14: 56
    Looking at all the samples presented, we can say that the design idea flourished in the heads of gunsmiths in the 16-17 centuries. But, it is not enough to make a single copy. It needs to be replicated in significant quantities and at an affordable price. And here everything starts to rest on the level of technology development, and this level was reached only in the 19th century.
  15. +1
    18 December 2021 23: 18
    I remember in some book I saw a photograph of such a product, but there was no name or time when it was created, I could guess somehow from the castle when it was created.
    And today I learned not only the answer to the old question, but also many new and interesting things.
    I am grateful to the author! hi
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    19 December 2021 10: 58
    We are waiting for an overview of the turning business of that period. As the masters managed to make such masterpieces. This is incredible in reality.
  17. +1
    19 December 2021 18: 27
    No, because the originals themselves are in ... our Hermitage. And whoever wants to, he himself can try to look for them! Both photographs and originals ...

    Unclear. Are they in closed storerooms, can they not be photographed or the museum does not want to share photos? What is the problem?
  18. 0
    5 February 2022 22: 28
    Thank you for the article.