Such a quiet Japanese pool

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For what I love my regular readers, it is because they will not let me die in peace. Yes, I wrote a review of Japanese fleet and its capabilities, compared with others. And then a non-intrusive letter like this: why don't we talk about the Japanese ground army?

Indeed, here you can not argue. Moreover, already at the twentieth minute of reading about the Japanese self-defense forces, you begin to gradually end up being surprised and realize that these are not self-defense forces, but the army itself.



The only surprise is that, having a completely peaceful Constitution, Japan somehow so imperceptibly ended up in sixth (!!!) place in the world in terms of the military budget.

Moreover, in the Asia-Pacific region, the country confidently ranks second after the United States in the list of countries participating in the anti-Chinese coalition. We have already analyzed the Japanese fleet, it is a very progressive structure. In general, Japan has confidently embarked on the path of militarization, and in this one can safely acknowledge the merits of the current Prime Minister of the country, Fumio Kishida, who has already replaced more than one ministerial chair. The current prime minister began to "help" the country's politicians (by the way, Kishida is an analogue of our Zhirinovsky, only younger) back in 2007, when he became Minister of the Northern Territories. This is how the Kurils are called in Japan.

As a result, by the time Kishida came to power, the soil was not only prepared, the sprouts were already sprouting with might and main.

And the fact that on December 6, a full-scale exercise began in Hokkaido with the involvement of dozens tanks and self-propelled guns, MLRS, thousands of soldiers, no one was particularly surprised.

Such a quiet Japanese pool

Yes, in Hokkaido. On the island, from which to Sakhalin 43 km through the La Perouse Strait, and to Kunashir Island through the Treason Strait - 25 km.


And the teachings, which are not really talking about something like that, rather, make you think. After all, as soon as Russia starts any movement of troops on the border with Ukraine or the Baltic states there, a cat's throat begins in the West on the theme that soon Russia will begin to seize these territories.


The question arises: what, by analogy, should Russia think and how to react to Japanese exercises near Russian territory?

It is worth making a comment here about what the Japanese Self-Defense Forces are. If someone thinks that this is like our National Guard, then he is very mistaken. These are not at all police-border formations, this is the most that neither is the army.

However, it's time to look a little at the numbers.

Tanks. 1004 pieces, the newest "Type 10" more than a hundred. Plus about a hundred wheeled support vehicles with a 105 mm gun.


BMP and armored personnel carriers. 772 pcs.



Armored vehicles. More than 2 thousand.

Self-propelled and towed artillery. 542 barrels.

MLRS. 100 pieces.

Anti-aircraft missile systems. More than 300 pcs.


Aviation Japan is also a tough nut to crack.

Helicopters. About 200 different purposes.

Aircraft. About 200 Japanese-made F-15Js plus 16 F-35s, plus 42 more F-35s on request.


Agree, well, more than enough for the defense of the country. The whole question is - from whom?

In Japan itself, they believe that this is against the likely aggression of China and Russia. As proof - the passage of a detachment of ships from the PRC and the Russian Federation in the framework of the recent exercises. The hysteria in Japan was no quieter than the European one.

If we approach the problem of militarizing the country in this way, there are so many threats in East Asia, just make sure weapon Cook.

And nothing that many countries still remember the "exploits" of the Japanese military during the Second World War. And they have valid claims. The Japanese government believes that building up the power of the "self-defense forces" is the country's only path.


In Japan itself, opinions are mixed. The country has a very widespread pacifist movement, whose representatives believe that funds allocated for military purposes can be spent wisely. But revanchism is also strong, its supporters openly come out of the underground and declare that the issue of the Northern Territories must be resolved and resolved in any way and as soon as possible.

The government, which is now headed by Kishida, known for his revanchist positions, after the conservative Suga Yoshihide, can easily not only increase military spending, but do it significantly.

Nobuo Kishi, the current Minister of Defense, will definitely help him in this. By the way, the younger brother of Shinzo Abe, the man who has held the post of Prime Minister of Japan for the longest time. Kishi has a different surname, as he was brought up by relatives on the maternal side. It was Shizo Abe who began to amend the Constitution in 2014 in favor of strengthening the army, and who adopted a number of important documents after the constitutional amendment.

Of course, the question of citizens and their perception of such a situation is still open. It is clear that the citizens of Japan will need to be convinced that it is necessary to maintain the military budget at the proper level, and the armed forces should play an increasingly significant role in reinforcing the political ambitions of a revanchist sense.

But something tells that Kishi and Kishida can handle it.

In the meantime, Japan's "self-defense forces" are easily competing with the armed forces of countries such as France and Great Britain. Moreover, it is worth noting that Japan produces the bulk of the weapons itself, purchasing a very small amount, such as modern fighters and MLRS.

It remains only to clearly understand against whom all this militarization is directed. Japan's neighbors in the region are not very calm about this military construction. The memory of the "Blitzkrieg" that Japan staged at the beginning of World War II did not disappear from the memory of the inhabitants of those countries that the imperial army marched with a bloody scythe.

And in Japan itself, the consequences of the atomic bombings of Japanese cities are still remembered. The fact that Japan does not have a nuclear deterrent is not bad; imperial revanchist ambitions, moreover, backed up by a nuclear arsenal, are overkill.

The United States provides security for Japan in this regard, but the United States is quite far away. And the neighbors, some of which have nuclear weapons, are much closer.

Today, supporters of the transformation of the "self-defense forces" into the army say that it is simply necessary to strengthen the military potential, since there is a military threat from China and Russia. Accordingly, it is worth building up your military potential without looking back at the United States. Moreover, the United States has already demonstrated more than once how it can deal with an ally. Even with someone who is the first to enter the trenches of confrontation with China.

Pretty reasonable. In general, Japan, until the recent change of government, limited its military budget at 1% of GDP. And with such a budget, we got such an army and navy. Today, the revanchist prime minister Kishida says that he is ready to double the country's military budget and bring it to the standard of NATO countries, that is, up to 2% of GDP.

This is more than serious. With the existing budget, Japan's military industry has performed a miracle in the form of a modern navy. What the Japanese will be able to do by doubling the military budget, I really would not like to imagine. Today, the Japanese Navy can simply sweep away the Russian Pacific Fleet and it is quite normal to compete with the Chinese fleet.


And the beginning has already been made. Prime Minister Kishida's cabinet approved an additional budget of 770 billion yen ($ 6,8 billion) for fiscal 2022. Considering that the entire military budget of Japan in 2020 amounted to 49,1 billion dollars, it can be concluded that this is a significant amount even for Japan.

This money is planned to be spent on the creation of missile defense systems and the modernization and creation of new reconnaissance systems and airspace tracking.

It seems that Japan is planning to fight the entire region again. The Japanese dream of the Kuril Islands, they have problems with China near Senkaku Island, Japan has begun deploying its surface-to-air missiles on Yonaguni Island (the westernmost island of Japan), which is located only 110 kilometers from Taiwan, around which serious passions are also unfolding with the participation of the same USA and China.

We are used to seeing a threat from NATO member states or from countries from which waves of terrorist threats on religious grounds emanate. It is a fact.

However, just like that, from a quiet Japanese whirlpool, like a mythological creature from Japanese kappa mythology, a very impressive army appeared, which is not legally an army. But shells and missiles are not legally binding. They have a destructive force, before which all the codes of rules and laws easily succumb.


Plus, the army is backed up by an excellent fleet.


As a result, a new player with quite decent muscles. Who will be very difficult to convince that his aspirations are somewhat futile. The Japanese are very revanchist and see China and Russia exclusively as opponents. At least, such conclusions can be drawn by familiarizing yourself with the military websites of Japan itself.

Here is such a whirlpool. And if you follow Russian mythology, then nothing good emerged from the pool.

However, only problems emerged from the Japanese whirlpools.
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  1. +14
    13 December 2021 06: 11
    The Japanese are very revanchist
    And they are cooler than NATO and more motivated!
    1. +7
      13 December 2021 06: 21
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      and more motivated!

      The strongest motivation is the acquisition of new lands for the population that has grown from state territories. There are also a couple of bonuses: a rather weak (or insufficient, weak) grouping of troops in the Far East and the absence of allies in a hypothetical conflict (if Eun is not connected).
      1. 0
        13 December 2021 06: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The strongest motivation is the acquisition of new lands for the population that has grown from state territories.
        1. +8
          13 December 2021 18: 07
          Rarely do I fully agree with all the provisions of the articles of the Roman. But this wonderful article of his is verified and accurate. good
          1. +5
            13 December 2021 18: 14
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Rarely do I fully agree with all the provisions of the articles of the Roman. But this wonderful article of his is verified and accurate.

            I completely agree with Skomorokhov. For the article a complement.
      2. +6
        13 December 2021 06: 47
        Such a quiet Japanese pool
        The "whirlpool" is our Pacific Fleet ... it's a shame to talk about it at all. Japan, we concede, very much, and they, oh, how "love" us. We are holding on to the "nuclear shield". So it turns out that the whole Far East is hostage? Well, I don't have the strength to fight the Japanese, we'll erase everything, and that's all. and with ours and not ours.
        1. -2
          13 December 2021 17: 26
          For that Russia has something that Japan does not have strategic bomber aviation and thousands of cruise missiles in conventional equipment, such as X 555 and X 101, and given that we left the INF Treaty over time and new MRBMs will appear in service - whatever any attack on Russian territory on the part of Japan will turn into a bloodbath for them. And there are plenty of idiots who call for war in any country - but this does not oblige them to listen and obey them.
          1. -2
            14 December 2021 21: 36
            Well, you, my friend
        2. -1
          13 December 2021 19: 50
          so the Japanese are held hostage by our missile systems
        3. +1
          14 December 2021 05: 47
          This is called a ring, from the west it is nata, and from the east it is Japan, fine. If in the western regions armies and districts are being created, then in the east there are seams, but our government thinks that there is China and if they will do something for us.
      3. +10
        13 December 2021 09: 21
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The strongest motivation is the acquisition of new lands

        There is a question: on the one hand, their population in Hokkaido is decreasing - it is too cold for them, on the other hand, the nation is aging and the total population does not increase, on the third, Japan is really surrounded by enemies - what it has done with China, Korea, Indochina in the 30s - 40s of the last century has not yet been forgiven. And if they decide to pinch off the DV, then, most likely, they will receive it, and, I fully admit, also with special ammunition.
      4. +7
        13 December 2021 16: 32
        “A country unable to feed itself and dependent on food imports cannot be considered a serious military adversary.” This also applies to fuels and lubricants, energy resources and a bunch of everything else. It is enough just to declare, not to mention actually establish, a blockade of Japan - and the price tag for freight insurance will break through the ceiling. And if hostilities unfold in earnest, with attacks on ports and infrastructure ...

        Well, Japan can’t fight anymore, no matter how they puffed up .. They don’t have a damn for that! In the Great East Asian War, they initially had the resource base of Korea and Manchuria, and they very quickly captured the South Asian resources. Now what? what will they eat, how will they be heated, illuminated?
        1. -2
          15 December 2021 13: 20
          The same applies to fuels and lubricants, energy resources and a bunch of everything else.

          At the beginning of 1941, the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire had orders of magnitude smaller reserves of fuel and food. By 1942, everything was acceptable to them, but something did not help. At the time of the summer of 1945, the Japanese did not even think to surrender, despite the fact that there was no oil and gas in Manchuria and Korea.
          At the moment, Japan has one interesting supplier of fuel and food, he is also a carrier, he is also the manager of transport hubs, roads and ports, and these are not Japanese, these are Americans, but to think that Americans will not bring everything they need to Japan as at least recklessly.
          they will eat, than they will be heated, illuminated

          Good old rice and nuclear power. Moreover, they need to be heated, for them -20 is a cataclysm somewhere in the north of Hokkaido
          1. +1
            15 December 2021 13: 50
            We didn’t think to give up. They simply could not fight anymore, including due to the lack of fuel and lubricants for the aviation and navy ..

            Maybe they'll get lucky - a matter of price. Can you imagine how much the freight and insurance will be for delivery to the war zone? Or maybe they won't be lucky - they need it?

            Nuclear power by no means covers all needs. As well as rice growing - the need for grub. In addition, he also needs fuel and lubricants.
      5. +1
        13 December 2021 18: 46
        At the expense of the land, they have only pennies in their villages and there are a lot of abandoned buildings as strange, but because of private property it is problematic to make something out of them, they are worth it. So inside they have where to settle, but the expansion of sea borders and fishing, plus to lock the fleets of the Russian Federation and China with Kuriles, is very much in the subject with amers for a couple.
      6. -6
        13 December 2021 19: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There are also a couple of bonuses: a rather weak (or insufficient, weak) grouping of troops in the Far East and the absence of allies in a hypothetical conflict (if Eun is not connected).

        Apparently, therefore, the Russian Federation, and not Japan, has 1/7 of the land?
    2. +10
      13 December 2021 08: 37
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      cooler than NATO and more motivated

      this is not true. Japanese "self-defense" has a number of distinct advantages, which are listed. In addition, the article does not indicate another important resource - the whole country is trained to work in a team and in an emergency. This significantly improves the rear operations of the army. But there is also a minus. First, motivation. She is nowhere near as tall as she seems. The Japanese are persistent and stubborn in carrying out the order, but not everyone will take the initiative. The problem of personnel is so acute that in Japan recently for the first time in history a woman became the captain of a ship, and this is very much against tradition. In addition, the Japanese have very limited experience in army tactics.
      Therefore, the conclusion is that Japan has a fairly efficient compact army and navy, but they cannot quickly build up their power and it will not work miracles either.
      The problem is that this army is barely enough to defend the islands and they can only carry out offensive actions on a very limited scale. For example, the Japanese army can fight in the Kuril Islands, but it will hardly be able to recapture Taiwan from the locals. In addition, the Japanese army is not well equipped for plain operations, and has a weak contingent of tactical aviation to support ground units.
      In short, the focus of Japanese operations is the defense of their territories and local amphibious operations along the coast. This is why Japan is now so afraid of China. In the event of a large-scale mess, the army will be unable to act on a wide front.
      I will give one more example - if the Japanese were put in place of the Russian Federation in the war 090909, then they would need three times more forces for a similar maneuver and attack - the Japanese infantry is much inferior to the leading countries of Europe. In this situation, I think it is clear that the Japanese do not have so much strength.
      Another factor is where they get their weapons. A very significant part is produced in the USA and therefore it is difficult to replenish the losses in equipment quickly.
      1. +2
        13 December 2021 11: 17
        Quote: yehat2
        the Japanese army can fight in the Kuril Islands

        It will capture the Southern Kuriles without batting an eye ... But to knock them out of there is now an impossible task, there is simply nothing to do. And hitting nuclear weapons on points of decision-making is unlikely ...
        1. -4
          13 December 2021 17: 40
          A feasible one - I’ll knock them out on the very first day - the same strategic aviation, and in one case throughout Japan will strike at the warehouses of power plants, bases, ports and everything else. And during this time, our part of aviation from different parts of the country will relocate OTRK and air defense systems to the Far East - this topic was probably not 22 or even 122 times considered and worked out over the decades by Japan's attack and the seizure of the Kuriles by the Ministry of Defense.
          1. +1
            14 December 2021 16: 16
            Are you going to bomb 95?
            sturgeon, trim.
            1. +1
              16 December 2021 11: 32
              Someone forbids?
              1. -3
                17 December 2021 14: 55
                God forbid.
                Do I mean that - will they reach? take off - will they have time?
                Obviously, you did not have a chance to do a pre-flight on a bomber, you would know how long it is.
                1. +1
                  18 December 2021 08: 17
                  So what or who's in the way?
                  1. -1
                    30 December 2021 15: 03
                    Yes, even if the weather ... winked
                    did not have to. rip off frozen covers? shovel snow to the waist. to roll up / roll back the ladders, or carts from the back, special vehicles to the sides?
                    I don’t remember how long it was for the 95m pre-flight. at 22m - 2,20.This is without suspension bk.
                    And all this time, drones flutter over you and satellites swoop in ...
                    And then, a lionfish quietly flies through the fuel warehouse, and "this helicopter won't fly today" (C) ...
                    Why am I so pisimistic - I know how this kitchen cooks.
                    1. +1
                      31 December 2021 07: 53
                      Drones over Engels? Brezhnev.zhpg
                      1. -2
                        31 December 2021 15: 58
                        From Engels to Japan? laughing
                        You are losing the thread.
                        While the Swan flies from Engels, the sakura will have time to bloom ...
          2. 0
            1 February 2022 16: 23
            Quote: Vadim237
            Doable - I’ll knock them out on the very first day - the same strategic aviation, and for one thing throughout Japan, strikes at warehouses, power plants, bases, ports and everything else.

            You will remember the Falklands War. There, no one struck the mother country, the war was fought exclusively for the islands
        2. -6
          13 December 2021 19: 04
          aha how. as always, there will be especially stubborn border outposts, as always ours will fight in complete encirclement but not surrender, as always the blitzkrieg will fail ...
          1. 0
            13 December 2021 20: 17
            There will be no more Blitzkrieg - its era ended a long time ago.
        3. -3
          13 December 2021 19: 56
          Capture-capture ... And then what will they do? They cannot afford a protracted military conflict, but Russia just can afford it. Given the distance, the main territory of Japan is in the access zone of our missile systems, and even then, that ours do not apply to land calibers / zircons does not mean that work on them has not been carried out earlier, there are all business to update the software.
        4. -3
          14 December 2021 20: 01
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Capture the South Kuriles without batting an eye

          To actually capture the Kuril Islands, you will have to land forces of about 2 regiments, seriously supported from the sea and from the air. You will have to blink a lot and for a long time.
          A massive initial missile strike could inflict serious casualties, but the Kuril Islands are decently fortified. If at least 3 garrison platoons survive there, finally knocking them out will not be easy.
          1. +6
            15 December 2021 00: 18
            Quote: yehat2
            The Kuril Islands are decently fortified.

            If you visited the Kuril Islands, you would not have written such nonsense.

            This is what the Kuril "fortifications" are now.
            1. 0
              15 December 2021 21: 56
              there were fortifications from Japanese times and not everything built during the USSR is in such a state
              1. +2
                16 December 2021 04: 28
                Quote: yehat2
                there were fortifications from Japanese times and not everything built during the USSR is in such a state

                If you do not know the question, it is better to remain silent and you will not look stupid. Have you been to the Kuril Islands? No.
                You can't even imagine the realities of local conditions, and you don't know what mustard and bamboo is. Movement on the islands is possible only on a few roads or along the coast on a caterpillar floating all-terrain vehicle. There are no longer any fortifications, except for the overgrown caponiers.
                1. 0
                  16 December 2021 11: 41
                  I am aware of the conditions
              2. +3
                16 December 2021 09: 50
                Quote: yehat2
                there were fortifications from Japanese times and not everything built during the USSR is in such a state

                There are no longer any fortifications. No.
                Read at your leisure:
                Russian military presence in the Kuril Islands
                https://topwar.ru/187052-rossijskoe-voennoe-prisutstvie-na-kurilskih-ostrovah.html
        5. +1
          16 December 2021 11: 31
          Regina Dubovitskaya called, was interested in you.
    3. 0
      14 December 2021 00: 05
      the motivation is that they are occupied by the UWB? who bombed them with nuclear weapons? or is it better to call the reformatted consciousness of the nation?
    4. 0
      14 December 2021 15: 36
      NATO is now generally incapable of fighting without the United States. And the Yapas are clearly going uphill
  2. +3
    13 December 2021 06: 17
    As we have seen, this self-defense force is an army created with the tacit consent of the United States. True, in the event of a conflict through the fault of Japan, Russia still has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons. Only who will take responsibility for such a step? Just like that, simply, guided by the letter of the law and the order ... Although, doubts are not in the executors, but in those who give orders ... There is no visible decisiveness ... Everything is perhaps, but what if ...
    The novel is as always on top! good
    1. -15
      13 December 2021 06: 36
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Everything - maybe

      Infa flashed that the seizure of the Kuriles was being prepared, but Fukushima happened and everything stopped ... And the cause of the tsunami could be man-made - the test of a nuclear bomb in the ocean ... No wonder the American destroyer "accidentally" found itself at the epicenter of the earthquake, suddenly rushed home! Maybe it was so? recourse
      1. +2
        13 December 2021 13: 16
        I see that many here believe in the peacefulness of the Japanese militarists! In the Far East, they do not believe this, as well as the safety of the discharge of a million tons of radioactive water. am s in Fukushima!
        1. -2
          13 December 2021 19: 58
          The war is fought either for survival or for interests, and starts from the expectation of having confidence in victory, but with the Kurils it is very difficult
      2. -1
        14 December 2021 13: 04
        Quote from Uncle Lee

        Infa flashed that the seizure of the Kuriles was being prepared, but Fukushima happened and everything stopped ... And the cause of the tsunami could be man-made - a nuclear bomb test in the ocean.

        Yes There was such information, and there were many sources of it, including Academician Ostretsov (former adviser to the President of the Russian Federation on atomic energy), as well as Chinese sources that discovered in the atmosphere in the earthquake area isotopes characteristic of a nuclear explosion. And the crater is at the bottom, because the explosion was bottom, from an ammunition with a capacity of about 500 Kt.
        1. 0
          14 December 2021 14: 51
          Quote: bayard
          There was such an opinion

          You see .... hi And the people do not believe, apparently those who know about Japan, only that Godzilla is running there lol
          1. 0
            14 December 2021 16: 33
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            And the people do not believe, apparently those who know about Japan, only that Godzilla is running there

            So maybe it's still he - Godzila, hit the bottom ... and farted with radiation? bully
            The Chinese then immediately raised the question of what the Japanese had experienced nuclear weapons ... but it was not the Japanese ...
    2. -1
      13 December 2021 06: 47
      Quote: ROSS 42
      True, in the event of a conflict through the fault of Japan, Russia still has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons. Only who will take responsibility for such a step?

      It turns out that after Hirsima and Nagasaki, they are no longer afraid of nuclear weapons, or do they not even understand this in their "greyhound"?
      Although if Japan starts military action against Russia, the latter is unlikely to use nuclear weapons, although the Japanese cannot be stopped without it.
      1. +3
        13 December 2021 06: 48
        Quote: tihonmarine
        if Japan starts military action against Russia, then the latter is unlikely to use nuclear weapons, although the Japanese cannot be stopped without it.

        This is most alarming. In big politics, jokes are rare.
      2. +7
        13 December 2021 07: 17
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It turns out that after Hirsima and Nagasaki, they are no longer afraid of nuclear weapons, or do they not even understand this in their "greyhound"?

        They all understand. And they are scared. If it were otherwise, then the Sakhalin region has already been attacked.
        While they arm themselves and wait for a convenient moment when state power on the continent will weaken, and there will be no person there who can give a clear order.
        1. +5
          13 December 2021 10: 28
          Quote: Doccor18
          While they arm themselves and wait for a convenient moment when state power on the continent will weaken, and there will be no person there who can give a clear order.

          Here we cannot but agree with you - they are waiting for a moment of weakness.
      3. -4
        13 December 2021 08: 46
        they have no choice - significant pressure began to be exerted on their perimeter of territory, and not only by China. In addition, the Japanese are not at all enthusiastic about the activity of the American fleet and base. They only hope for the development of air defense, the fleet and geographic isolation.
    3. -9
      13 December 2021 07: 02
      Quote: ROSS 42
      True, in the event of a conflict through the fault of Japan, Russia still has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons. Only who will take responsibility for such a step?

      And I just have less doubts about the greater readiness of the Russian leadership to use nuclear weapons against Japan. Do you know why?
      Because in Japan there is practically no real estate, families and children of the modern "Russian" elite.
      1. -6
        13 December 2021 07: 23
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Do you know why?
        Because in Japan there is practically no real estate, families and children of the modern "Russian" elite.
        About five years ago it still worked, but today it is no longer original and frankly tired, since there are 30 such posts per day. Find something newer.
        It's like - "The caravan is moving, and the dog is barking" ...
        1. +6
          13 December 2021 07: 25
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Five years ago it still worked,

          What is your comment, has he canceled real estate in Europe?
          1. -8
            13 December 2021 07: 29
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Five years ago it still worked,

            What is your comment, has he canceled real estate in Europe?

            He did not cancel the property. A comment cannot undo anything at all. The very situation in the world has changed, and Russia, too, both in terms of military doctrine and equipment of the army, and in terms of readiness to give a shock to someone in a cunning face, if she lags the coast. Did not notice?
            1. -2
              13 December 2021 08: 08
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Russia, too, both in terms of military doctrine and equipment of the army, and in terms of its readiness to give a shock to someone on the cunning face, if it beguiled the coast. Did not notice?
              I noticed, but in Japan, the determination, if anything, to strike nuclear weapons higher and brought one of the factors of such determination. So there are real estate and children of the "elite" in Europe? And in Japan?
              1. +4
                13 December 2021 08: 19
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                So there are real estate and children of the "elite" in Europe? And in Japan?
                They do not provide me with real estate declarations. Why do you think that one elite will sit in the bunkers and will not allow to respond with blow for blow, only for the reason that the other elite somewhere has "real estate"? Well, nonsense.
                All the world's "kiosks" have long been divided and the elites, until blood in their teeth, will be protected by the very ones they milk. And they will deeply give a damn about who and where the children are. Your business, like ours, will be limited to outside contemplation and be content with the result that these world elites will come to as a result of the redistribution of the "kiosk market". Nothing depends on us.
      2. +3
        13 December 2021 07: 26
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Because in Japan there is practically no real estate, families and children of the modern "Russian" elite.

        Yes, that's not the point. Local "capitalists" go out of their way to become their own. The use of nuclear weapons will forever close the path to the coveted west for them. This time.
        Our country will be imposed with such sanctions that Venezuela seems like a paradise. These are two.
        Destruction or extreme weakening of Japan will greatly upset the balance of power in the East. Japan is not Taiwan. Therefore, it is very likely that the Americans will get involved in this fight. These are three.
        If the situation starts to get out of control, the democrats will be able to organize many local centers around the entire perimeter of Russia. Our ground forces and aerospace forces will not be able to adequately respond in several directions at once. These are four.
        1. -5
          13 December 2021 19: 09
          you know what. the decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by one person. Specifically, his "nondivgu" and bank accounts have not been found outside of Russia by all the world's secret services for 30 years. he will consult with five or six more people. they, too, with children and real estate, everything is clear, for a long time under sanctions and under a microscope. will be carried out by the commanders of submarines and units of the airborne forces who have real estate in Murmansk, Ryazan and Novosibirsk and children in the same place. and the rest of the elite in our country is not allowed to make decisions and its opinion is not taken into account. wake up and understand. the country is different and decisions are made in it differently.
      3. +5
        13 December 2021 14: 10
        Any use of nuclear weapons against Japan will affect American facilities and American citizens and constitute an act of war with the United States.
      4. 0
        1 February 2022 16: 43
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And I just have less doubts about the greater readiness of the Russian leadership to use nuclear weapons against Japan. Do you know why?
        Because in Japan there is practically no real estate, families and children of the modern "Russian" elite.

        It's not just about children and real estate. It's just that if nuclear weapons are used, the country automatically becomes an outcast. The leadership is automatically sent to the Hague Tribunal, their relatives abroad are taken hostage
    4. +3
      13 December 2021 13: 32
      True, in the event of a conflict through the fault of Japan, Russia still has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons.


      Are you seriously? What kind of "doctrine" is this, thirty kilometers from its inhabitants to use nuclear weapons ???
      Can you sound the document?
  3. -1
    13 December 2021 06: 41
    The only surprise is that, having a completely peaceful Constitution, Japan somehow so imperceptibly ended up in sixth (!!!) place in the world in terms of the military budget.

    The constitution may be peaceful, but the Japanese governments have always had "hawks" (not counting the first 10 post-war years), just like many Baptists and Jehovah, as well as their pastors, who by religion have no right to take and use weapons, in fact turn out to be Hitler's followers.
  4. -7
    13 December 2021 06: 46
    But I saw in the movies that all this Japanese power cannot even cope with Godzilami. Weak to them.
  5. +15
    13 December 2021 06: 54
    something suggests that Kishi and Kishida will cope
    The lower house of the Japanese parliament passed the first popular referendum law. It will be on it that it will be possible to approve amendments to the country's constitution, the main one of which will legalize the status of the country's Self-Defense Forces.
    the question of citizens and their perception of such a situation is still open
    A recent Kyodo News poll found 9% in favor of Article 51 revision
    still remember the aftermath of the atomic bombings of Japanese cities
    against - 45% of the Japanese.
    But something tells that Kishi and Kishida can handle it.
    Most likely, especially considering that the military budget has only been growing over the past ten years.
  6. +11
    13 December 2021 07: 59

    And in Japan itself, they still remember the consequences of the atomic bombings of Japanese cities ...

    The United States provides security for Japan in this regard, but the United States is quite far away. And the neighbors, some of which have nuclear weapons, are much closer.

    Today, supporters of the transformation of the "self-defense forces" into the army say that it is simply necessary to strengthen the military potential, since there is a military threat from China and Russia. Accordingly, it is worth building up its military potential without looking back at the United States. Moreover, the United States has already demonstrated more than once how it can deal with an ally.

    These are all the answers to the questions posed above, such as "why?" and why?"

    Japan, as you know, waged war from 1941 to 1945, and local wars since 1931.
    Military operations took place on the territory of China, the Korean Peninsula, French Indochina, Thailand, Burma, Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, the Solomon Islands, the Marshall Islands, the Mariana Islands, many islands of the Pacific Ocean, the Pacific and Indian Oceans ... The Anti-Hitler coalition fought against it: the USA, Great Britain with Canada, Australia, New Zealand, China, France, the Netherlands, Thailand, etc. Japan lost in these clashes, including nuclear and atomic bombings, 2 soldiers and about 000 civilians. ..
    By the end of 1944, the beginning of 1945, Japan was left face to face with all its opponents. The Hitlerite coalition had no time for it. And then there was the USSR, having secured the consent of the leaders of the countries of the Anti-Hitler coalition at the Yalta Conference, on April 5, 1945, denounced the pact of 1941 on neutrality between the USSR and Japan.

    No, everything was clean here from the point of view of politics and diplomacy. Since after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Germany still attacked the USSR, and Japan, an ally of Germany, helps that in her war against the USSR, and Japan is at war with the United States and England, which are allies of the Soviet Union, then what kind of neutrality can we talk about ?

    In a word, the USSR, which entered the war with the defeated and bombed Japan on August 9, 1945 (two days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and on the eve of the atomic strike on Nagasaki), by September 2, 1945, in just three weeks, defeated it and took in the form of a trophy of war South Kuriles, forced to sign the act of surrender.

    Of course, after such a circumcision, it is unlikely that it will be possible to grow the trimmed back, it would be good to keep at least what is left, but Japan is again alone with ill-wishers, the Japanese are in fear and rush.
    It is possible to understand them, but to accept them is difficult. But, this is the reality. Other, for the time being, is not foreseen. hi
    1. +9
      13 December 2021 08: 58
      Japan is at war with the United States and Britain, which are allies of the Soviet Union, then what kind of neutrality can we talk about here?

      And since 1941, the USSR was an ally of the United States, which fought with Japan.
      The neutrality treaty with Japan provided for this
      Article two.

      In the event that one of the contracting parties is the subject of hostilities on the part of one or more third powers, the other contracting party will remain neutral throughout the conflict.

      It dealt with a specific conflict, not an alliance in general.
      To formally justify the cancellation of the treaty of neutrality at the creation of the UN, it was decided retroactively that all legal decisions made by the Allies should be considered legal.
      1. 0
        13 December 2021 10: 59
        Quote: Avior
        To formally justify the cancellation of the treaty of neutrality at the creation of the UN, it was decided retroactively that all legal decisions made by the Allies should be considered legal.

        But if you look at that on September 27, 1940, the Berlin Treaty was signed between the Axis powers - the countries participating in the Anti-Comintern Pact: Germany, Italy and Japan, to which the governments of Hungary (November 20, 1940), Romania (November 23, 1940), Slovakia joined (November 24, 1940), Bulgaria (March 1, 1941) and further joined by Thailand, the Croatian government, Manchukuo and the Wang Jingwei government in China. The latter were located on the border with the USSR, the agreement on the attack on Japan with the Allies was justified.
        1. +5
          13 December 2021 11: 42
          The Soviet-Japanese agreement on neutrality did not provide for its cancellation on such grounds.
          The 1940 Berlin Pact had no direct relation to the Soviet Union, it was specially stipulated in it.
          Article 5. Japan, Germany and Italy confirm that the above articles in no way affect the political course that currently exists between each of the three parties to the pact and the Soviet Union.

          In addition, a special annex to the neutrality pact with Japan provided for the recognition of the borders and the inviolability of Manchukuo and Mongolia.
          In keeping with the spirit of the Neutrality Pact of 13 April
          1941 between the USSR and Japan, the Government of the USSR and the Government
          Japan, in the interests of ensuring peaceful and friendly relations between both countries, solemnly declare that the USSR undertakes to respect the territorial
          integrity and inviolability of Manchukuo, and Japan
          undertakes to respect the territorial integrity and inviolability of the Mongolian
          People's Republic.
          1. +1
            13 December 2021 13: 09
            Quote: Avior
            In addition, a special annex to the neutrality pact with Japan provided for the recognition of the borders and the inviolability of Manchukuo and Mongolia.

            But when Germany began the Second World War, all at once these states of the Anti-Comintern Pact immediately became enemies of the USSR and at any moment could fall on the USSR, which some did (Hungary and Romania) and what guarantee could there be that Japan and Manzhou Guo would not attack on the USSR (especially since the Kwantung Army was stationed there). According to the testimony of the captured Lieutenant General Kiyoji Tominaga:
            “I taught at school the organization of acts of sabotage and bacteriological sabotage on the territory of the USSR, recommending that students infect drinking springs and food stores in the rear of the Soviet troops with the bacteria of plague, typhus and glanders”.
            Kiyoji Tominaga, after the annexation of Japan in 1940 to the Triple Pact with Germany and Italy, developed the first operational plan for Japan's attack on the USSR, Kan-toku en. It envisaged the delivery of the main blow to the Red Army in the area of ​​Lake Hanko and the capture of Khabarovsk with the expectation of cutting off the Soviet Far East from the rest of the country.

            So the USSR did everything right, without breaking anything, when Japan was developing plans for an attack on the USSR.
            1. +5
              13 December 2021 13: 15
              all at once these states of the Anti-Comintern Pact, immediately became enemies of the USSR

              You are repeating yourself.
              Once again, the Berlin Pact had an exception in relation to the USSR, see above.
              Specifically, Japan fulfilled the neutrality pact.
              1. -1
                13 December 2021 13: 32
                Quote: Avior
                Specifically, Japan fulfilled the neutrality pact.

                But the plan of Japan's attack on the USSR "Kan-toku en". And if not for Stalingrad, the Japanese would have carried it out. And by this time, the Americans had already begun to recapture and
                Aleutian Islands, Philippines, and beyond. It was this help from the allies that did not allow Japan to allocate a sufficient number of troops for an attack on the USSR. We, too, did not remain in debt to the Allies in August 1945.
                1. +7
                  13 December 2021 13: 45
                  plan for Japan's attack on the USSR

                  Any General Staff makes up plans for all occasions in batches, the work is done by the planning department.
                  But in the pact on neutrality there is nothing about plans, there are specific points, Japan did not violate them. Moreover, Japan viewed the USSR as a possible mediator between them and the United States on the subject of concluding an armistice agreement.
                  1. 0
                    13 December 2021 14: 13
                    Quote: Avior
                    But in the pact on neutrality there is nothing about plans, there are specific points, Japan did not violate them.

                    Well, at least why did the Japanese create a "detachment 731" in the territories adjacent to the USSR?
                    But the point is not whether the agreements were violated or not, whether they were preparing for an attack or not. This is how I am conducting a dialogue with you as an adequate person. You have your own opinion, I have my own, especially since I was born near the Chinese border, and I am interested in the "Japanese" topic.
                    Well, I always ask the same question at the end.
                    It is clear to everyone that Japan in August 1945 was practically on the verge of surrender, and after the application of nuclear weapons, there were days of its independent existence. At the moment, Japan is, as it were, independent, but the US occupation forces are there.
                    I think no one denies this fact.
                    1. +7
                      13 December 2021 14: 26
                      on adjacent to the USSR

                      there is nothing about this in the pact, there are specific points that Japan did not violate
                      Japan is kind of independent

                      why "how"? Just an independent, full member of the UN.
                      but the US occupation forces are there.

                      The occupation of Japan ended with the conclusion of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. The fact that there are American troops there does not mean that they are occupation forces.
                      Article 1

                      ...
                      (b) The Allied Powers recognize the full sovereignty of the Japanese people over Japan and its territorial waters.

                      Well, I always ask the same question at the end.

                      to be honest, I didn’t see the question and didn’t even understand what it could be about.
                      1. -1
                        13 December 2021 15: 34
                        Quote: Avior
                        to be honest, I didn’t see the question and didn’t even understand what it could be about.

                        So I didn't answer. (The chief called).
                        The question is simple: if the USSR did not enter the war against Japan with the Allies, then after a short time Japan surrendered, so whose troops would have stood in the place where the Kwantung Army was, and in general along the border with the USSR, I also think everyone guesses, and only it was not the PLA, but the army of the allies, and they would still be there, and the Kuril Islands would also not be Russian. Here is the question and answer. But it was the USSR who had it, and Stalin knew that very well. Yes, and all my relatives who fought there also perfectly understood.
                        So everything that our grandfathers and fathers did was not done in vain, in contrast to the European question.
                      2. +3
                        13 December 2021 15: 53
                        What makes you think that there would be any occupation troops there at all? There were no Soviet occupation troops there either.
                        In general, the occupation of Japan ended quickly enough. In general, the conversation was not about expediency, but about the formal side of the issue of observing the neutrality pact. it is far from the same thing.
                      3. +1
                        13 December 2021 16: 30
                        Quote: Avior
                        In general, the occupation of Japan ended quickly enough.

                        Yeah, in September 1945, they entered, and still "forgot" to withdraw from Okinawa, Iwakuni, Misawa, Yokota - and only 47 US troops. "The occupation is over" as quickly as the occupation of Donbass by the Sumerians.
                      4. +1
                        14 December 2021 09: 36
                        I wrote to you that the fact that there are troops does not mean that Japan is occupied. They are there in a completely different status by agreement with the Japanese.
                        The US-Japan Security Treaty was signed in 1951.
                      5. -1
                        14 December 2021 12: 58
                        Quote: Avior
                        They are there in a completely different status by agreement with the Japanese.

                        The status has been signed, but since August 1945, American troops have been in Japan and are still standing. Military bases and other US military infrastructure have existed in Japan since the end of World War II in the Pacific. They survived the Occupation of Japan and the Cold War, remaining on the topical agenda of the XNUMXst century, and their status is not expected to change.
                        After the end of the war, Okinawa was administered by the American administration until 1972.
                      6. +2
                        14 December 2021 14: 25
                        as they stood in Japan, they are

                        They are, but not so. The occupation of Japan ended after the conclusion of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which also provided for Japan's right to deploy Allied troops (formally including the USSR, by the way) for the defense of the islands under separate treaties
                        Article 6.

                        (a) All occupying forces of the Allied Powers will be withdrawn from Japan as soon as possible after the entry into force of this Treaty, but in any event no later than 90 days thereafter. However, nothing in this provision should prevent the stationing or holding of foreign military forces on Japanese territory in accordance with any bilateral or multilateral agreements that have been or may be concluded between one or more Allied Powers, on the one hand, or as a result of them. and on the other - Japan.

                        no change in their status is expected

                        their status after the conclusion of the treaty is determined by the agreements between the United States and Japan after the end of the occupation of Japan in accordance with the peace treaty and bilateral agreements.
                        In September 1951, the Security Treaty was signed between the United States and Japan, in January 1960 it was replaced by the Treaty on Mutual Cooperation and Security. It is in this status that the Americans in Japan are.
                        After the end of the war, Okinawa was administered by the American administration until 1972.

                        Okinawa (Ryukyu) fell under the terms of the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations, and according to the terms of Japan's surrender, it was to be withdrawn from Japan and, by the UN decision, transferred to the custody of the United States, which was provided for by the San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan was also deprived of its guardianship over other islands.
                        (United Nations Security Council decision of 2 April 1947 extending the trusteeship system to the Pacific Islands previously under Japanese mandate.)
                        Article 3.

                        Japan will agree to any proposal by the United States to the United Nations to transfer under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole governing body, Nansei Shoto south of 29 °. northern latitude (including Ryukyu Islands and Daito Islands), Nanpo Shoto south of Sofu Gana (including Bonin Islands, Rosario Island and Volcano Islands) and Pares Vela and Markus Island. Pending such a proposal and affirmative action, the United States will have the right to exercise all and any administrative, legislative and jurisdictional powers over the territory and inhabitants of these islands, including their territorial waters.

                        Article 4
                        ...
                        (b) Japan recognizes the disposition of property of Japan and Japanese citizens by the military government of the United States or in accordance with its directives in any of the areas referred to in Articles 2 and 3.

                        Later, the States transferred Okinawa to the Japanese, although they were not obliged to do so.
                        hi
              2. 0
                14 December 2021 15: 57
                Quote: Avior
                Specifically, Japan fulfilled the neutrality pact.
                In Vladivostok, there is a monument to sailors drowned by the Japanese during the Second World War. This is how Japan fulfilled the pact
  7. +5
    13 December 2021 08: 00
    As we have seen, this self-defense force is an army created with the tacit consent of the United States.
    - yes, not with tacit consent, but by direct order, the Americans need a real and strong ally in the Pacific region, completely controlled by Japan and South Korea are ideal for this ...
  8. -8
    13 December 2021 08: 07
    They did not try to chop off the Kuriles in the 90s - now they can only whine about the "northern territories". Regardless of how "excellent" their navy and army are, the balance of power in the region is now much more favorable for Russia than it was a quarter of a century ago. Although, it is definitely not worth relaxing.
  9. -16
    13 December 2021 08: 12
    It’s interesting to me that the author said that the mighty Japanese fleet would simply sweep away the Russian Pacific Fleet at once. And I wonder what will demolish .... Tomahawks for ground stationary targets ... or ancient subsonic anti-ship missiles Harpoon?
    1. +10
      13 December 2021 08: 42
      Remind me of what the valiant Pacific Fleet currently represents?
    2. +3
      13 December 2021 21: 48
      And I wonder what will demolish ... Tomahawks for ground stationary targets ... or ancient subsonic anti-ship missiles Harpoon

      Why is it so hard? Soryu's submarines simply mine the exits from our bases, and ships and nuclear submarines that managed to leave will drown either with torpedoes from the same Soryu, or anti-ship missiles launched from aircraft and directed by AWACS aircraft, or by Japanese missiles from URO destroyers and frigates. Do you know that the Japanese have anti-ship missiles capable of flying 200 km and they are developing missiles with a range of 1000 km?
  10. +4
    13 December 2021 09: 34
    > somehow so imperceptibly ended up in sixth (!!!) place in the world in terms of the military budget.

    Why, imperceptibly, they have been working hard and fruitfully for the past 2 decades to strengthen themselves. And in light of the fact of being in the American sphere, this is very dangerous.

    About Kishida. Roman, Kishida is very useful for his country and the United States, while Zhirinovsky is absolutely useless, at this moment he smiled)
  11. -9
    13 December 2021 10: 12
    Today, the Japanese Navy may simply sweep away the Russian Pacific Fleet

    In which of the parallel universes?
  12. +3
    13 December 2021 10: 32
    We urgently need to build a dam on Sakhalin - to turn it into a peninsula.
    Many economic and political problems are being solved.
    The dam on Sakhalin is estimated at 90 billion rubles (slightly more
    1 billion bucks).
    That is 2,5 times cheaper than the Crimean bridge.

    Including, it is easier to organize control over the Kuril Islands.

    Plus, this could significantly weaken the cold Primorsky current and affect the climate in the east of the Primorsky Territory.
    https://genby.livejournal.com/723701.html
    1. +3
      13 December 2021 10: 36
      Quote: Lontus
      urgently build a dam on Sakhalin

      Cape South and Cape Tyk. Here the width of the Tatar Strait is the smallest, only 40 km. The shallowest depths in the channel of the strait are also here - 10 m.
      1. +1
        13 December 2021 13: 34
        Quote: Lontus
        urgently build a dam on Sakhalin

        Do we need it? There are enough cold currents for Sakhalin and in the east!
  13. +3
    13 December 2021 13: 01
    As for nuclear weapons, everything is complicated, there are technologies, there are resources, there are industrial capacities, there are delivery vehicles.
    Did / do / plan to do this question.
    The fact that they will not shout about him is 100%.
    North Korea is screaming, but the Japanese have a different mentality.
  14. 0
    13 December 2021 13: 13
    It remains only to clearly understand against whom all this militarization is directed.

    Yes, this is understandable since 1945, if that.
    They can no longer compete with China, but the Kuril lip-rolling machine is quite clear-cut.

    The United States provides security for Japan in this regard, but the United States is quite far away.

    For reference, there are as many as fourteen US military bases in Japan.
    Not that far.
  15. 0
    13 December 2021 13: 38
    There is a very tasty fish in the pools. Catfish, burbot, carp. I like .. Yapi pretzels are still the same. Maybe he shot these nits. Yes, the Chinese are the same.
  16. -1
    13 December 2021 13: 38
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    I noticed, but in Japan, the determination, if anything, to strike nuclear weapons higher and brought one of the factors of such determination. So there are real estate and children of the "elite" in Europe? And in Japan?


    And in Japan the wind rose is much better, everything will go towards the USA! So a nuclear strike is quite possible. )))
    But seriously, Japan needs an army and navy so that one fine moment, when one once powerful military power is weakened - the leader of the free world and the world hegemon, to strike back at it and immediately raise its stakes in the world table of ranks, declaring its claims to join the circle of the most powerful sea powers with a rather large land army and demand the removal of the military bases of this power from its territory.
    The northern territories, it can be said, are a fallback if history turns in the other direction and another powerful military power weakens and at the expense of it it is possible to expand their possessions, which were once Japanese.
    Or, if China collides with the United States, then on the sly, it is again possible to acquire colonies as much as 100 years ago. The Japanese masters liked so much to teach the minds of the Koreans and the Chinese, to exploit and plunder both of these countries together with the big white master from overseas.
    And democracy must be brought to these countries!
    1. +4
      13 December 2021 14: 03
      And in Japan the wind rose is much better, everything will go towards the USA!

      Now - to Kamchatka and the Far East. Not even close to the United States.

      https://earth.nullschool.net/ru/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-194.53,30.93,371
      And in summer, monsoons blow directly to the Far East, from ocean to coast.
  17. +7
    13 December 2021 14: 05
    Aircraft. About 200 Japanese-made F-15Js plus 16 F-35s, plus 42 more F-35s on request.

    Did the respected author forget about the F-2A / B fighters (the Japanese analogue of the F-16)?
  18. -5
    13 December 2021 14: 54
    As I understand it, with these cheerful neighbors, everything is a foregone conclusion in the General Staff. The nuclear strike will just begin. Don't give a damn about the consequences. Rather, what are the consequences after the collapse of the third economy in the world. Perhaps this "civilized" should think about them. Or maybe we can do it. The PRC will also not refuse to knock down the yellow islanders. For us, we can only defiantly pull on ourselves at least something and acquire the role of a victim.
  19. 0
    13 December 2021 15: 03
    Maybe someone else will tell them that they have no rights to the Kuriles and Sakhalin, neither legal, nor historical, nor logical, nor moral. Why the hell do they consider the Kuril Islands their own? With the same logic, we can consider Hoikado our island. But we don’t consider it, because it’s nonsense.
    1. 0
      13 December 2021 16: 25
      Quote: Usher
      we can consider Hoikado our island

      you are wrong Hokaido is a primordially Russian island 1 the bloodthirsty Japanese committed an act of genocide against the Ainu who had inhabited this non-Japanese island for centuries, but some of the Ainu escaped in Russia and joined the fraternal family of Russian peoples, while not losing their rights to their homeland Hokaido 2 Americans asked Stalin to help them in Manchuria and promised Hokaido, its northern half. But they deceived and dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki so that Stalin would not claim his rightfully. 3 Hokkaido was originally Russian .... The Spatial Land Description of the Russian State, compiled under the Russian Empress Catherine II, included in the Russian Empire not only all the Kuril Islands, but also the island of Hokkaido. The reason - the ethnic Japanese at that time did not even populate it. The indigenous population - the Ainu (white people) - according to the results of the expedition of Antipin and Shabalin, were recorded as Russian subjects. The Ainu fought with the Japanese not only in the south of Hokkaido, but also in the northern part of the island of Honshu. The Kuril Islands themselves were explored and taxed by the Cossacks in the XNUMXth century. So that Russia can demand from the Japanese Hokkaido

      The fact of Russian citizenship of the inhabitants of Hokkaido was noted in a letter from Alexander I to the Japanese emperor in 1803. Moreover, this did not cause any objections from the Japanese side, let alone an official protest. https://ishvetsov.ru/gde-nahoditsya-ostrov-hokkaido-ostrov-hokkaido-yaponiya-opisanie/
      1. 0
        13 December 2021 17: 27
        Quote: vladimir1155
        Quote: Usher
        we can consider Hoikado our island

        you are wrong Hokaido is a primordially Russian island 1 the bloodthirsty Japanese committed an act of genocide against the Ainu who had inhabited this non-Japanese island for centuries, but some of the Ainu escaped in Russia and joined the fraternal family of Russian peoples, while not losing their rights to their homeland Hokaido 2 Americans asked Stalin to help them in Manchuria and promised Hokaido, its northern half. But they deceived and dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki so that Stalin would not claim his rightfully. 3 Hokkaido was originally Russian .... The Spatial Land Description of the Russian State, compiled under the Russian Empress Catherine II, included in the Russian Empire not only all the Kuril Islands, but also the island of Hokkaido. The reason - the ethnic Japanese at that time did not even populate it. The indigenous population - the Ainu (white people) - according to the results of the expedition of Antipin and Shabalin, were recorded as Russian subjects. The Ainu fought with the Japanese not only in the south of Hokkaido, but also in the northern part of the island of Honshu. The Kuril Islands themselves were explored and taxed by the Cossacks in the XNUMXth century. So that Russia can demand from the Japanese Hokkaido

        The fact of Russian citizenship of the inhabitants of Hokkaido was noted in a letter from Alexander I to the Japanese emperor in 1803. Moreover, this did not cause any objections from the Japanese side, let alone an official protest. https://ishvetsov.ru/gde-nahoditsya-ostrov-hokkaido-ostrov-hokkaido-yaponiya-opisanie/

        Funny. Just what kind of "white" peoples? Are you my friend a Nazi? Ainu are Asians. And in general, there are no white peoples.
        1. 0
          13 December 2021 17: 50
          Quote: Usher
          And in general, there are no white peoples.

          you just confused in the quote I gave? it means that there are no objections to the essence of the obvious legal affiliation of Hokaido to Russia!
  20. +1
    13 December 2021 16: 17
    undoubtedly, Russia and China, known for their peacefulness, are not going to attack Japan, however, the Japanese fascists militarists in their impotent rage do not hide their aggressive plans against a number of primordially Russian and primordially Chinese islands ... Japanese women against peace-loving China and no less peace-loving Russia, do not destroy the islands of Hokaido and Kyushu with nuclear warheads because these islands will go to Russia and China, respectively, and Honshu will be demolished for the edification of all aggressors encroaching on the sacred land of the Russian Federation and fraternal China ... Move Hokaido to Magadan, and from Kyushu to the area of ​​the dead city of Hara-Khoto ... it remains only to wait until the survivors and the minds of the Japanese fascist militarists will unleash a war
  21. -1
    13 December 2021 16: 36
    Even curious.
    Why are the Americans confident that having armed, Japan will not remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?!
    I remember that once Europe, together with America, helped to arm Hitler ...
    Human memory is short.
    1. -2
      13 December 2021 17: 45
      No one will give Japan to possess nuclear weapons, neither the United States nor the world community.
  22. -1
    13 December 2021 18: 19
    The Japanese are very revanchist and see China and Russia exclusively as opponents.

    The Japanese are very vindictive, and they will never forgive the humiliation of Russia and China, but they will never say a word to the creators of the Empire of the Meiji Restoration era.
    (You can read the memoirs of three of Japan's leading naval aces).
  23. 0
    13 December 2021 18: 38
    They are just preparing in advance for the occupation and protection of Sakhalin, "Kuril Islands and Primorye. Yes, and where else should they spend their money, put everything and everyone on subsidies, they will be depleted in the medium term, build something like that and so it can be used, make islands out of garbage, so environmentalists on big money will flock and the delivery of such volumes of garbage is a lot of money. There is a really fantastic option that the Ams want to throw off the islands, but that is unscientific fantasy.
  24. +1
    13 December 2021 18: 47
    In a sense, the militarization of Japan is justified - the PRC is being militarized in the neighborhood, Japan's relations with the PRC are bad. However, the ambitions of this country are now very limited - the days when Japan was a kind of superpower against the background of the Asian Papuans are gone. Already, since there was no fooling around either in China or in Korea, Japan's neighbors were heavily militarized, well enough that even the weakest of them would become a bone in the throat for the Japanese army, in case they tried to play expansion again. So to the question "against whom is all this now" - it seems to me that against us And in the interests of their own defense. Such a regionalist. If the Sino-American conflict begins, it will definitely not pass by Japan. We should wake up, because the Japanese in the future can really try to solve the Kuril issue - they simply have no other direction of expansion now.
  25. +2
    13 December 2021 21: 39
    The construction of modern armed forces by Japan could be observed according to media reports, and our intelligence knew this for sure 15 years ago, it's just that our leadership is not engaged in solving problems in the country and parrying threats, but filling pockets and entertaining. It is for this simple reason that our country is degrading, with the exception of Moscow and several cities, it is for this reason that Ukraine has turned into an enemy, and it is for this reason that they are not building an efficient fleet, but a set of useless ships and expensive wunderwales.
    Adequate leadership of the country should have responded to such threats 15 years ago by building a combat-ready fleet as China does, whose leadership really works for the good of its country.
  26. -1
    14 December 2021 00: 03
    beautiful of course, but a couple of vigorous bimbs and no islands
  27. 0
    14 December 2021 15: 31
    Japan, until the recent change of government, limited its military budget at 1% of GDP. And with such a budget, we got such an army and navy. Today, the revanchist prime minister Kishida says that he is ready to double the country's military budget and bring it to the standard of NATO countries, that is, up to 2% of GDP.

    How much will it help them when three countries - Russia, China and the DPRK, shoot on the islands of nuclear weapons?
    Will Pin dos siya want to stand up for Japs when such plops fly?
    I do not mean that the islands will be attacked first, only a response to the too many descendants of samurai and geisha who think about themselves, in response to attacks "from the islands."
    Why will three countries attack poor anime fans?
    When attacking China or North Korea, Russia may not rock the boat.
    But with an attack on Russia, the other two countries are unlikely to remain on the sidelines. Cause? And when the crowd can still "kick the scumbag".
    If you do not fit in and take revenge on the Japanese for many years of occupation and genocide, then it will be possible to wait a long time for a new convenient moment. And the pin dos will not climb, it will simply ssyknet when three countries kick their dog. They did not fly and they will calmly stand aside, maybe they will swear, but they will not get into a fight - the voters will not understand. request
    It's one thing to declare protection, and quite another to grab the trynduli together with your dog.
    Well, the possibilities of Japs against the three countries do not dance from the word at all. Here, the pin itself will not be repulsed except with the use of nuclear weapons. And it’s not even a question that it will fight back, it’s just that it’s not too sickly to spoil the opponents' lives.
    So if the Japs have nowhere to put their money into, they can fivefold increase the military budget. Here a tiny territory "plays" against them. Simply due to the smaller area, they will fly in more heap, which means that the destruction and loss will be more dramatic.
    The only question is, knowing that you will be hooted in any case, is it worth taking any specific military actions first, and not barking from behind the fence, like a fraudulent dog, when simply "people are passing by." lol
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      14 December 2021 15: 55
      Quote: K-50
      Russia, China and the DPRK, shoot on the islands

      I'm only FOR ... But you still need to come to an agreement with them!
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        14 December 2021 16: 02
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: K-50
        Russia, China and the DPRK, shoot on the islands

        I'm only FOR ... But you still need to come to an agreement with them!

        They themselves will not miss the moment. It's just that for them it will be the perfect solution to Japanese militarism. Once and for all.
        After all, after the 45th year, no one worried for a long time about the presence of such a country nearby. is and is, the teeth of the Japanese dragon were then pulled out. Have new ones grown? That is why now they will "tear off their head" so that there is nothing and nowhere to grow.
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          14 December 2021 16: 07
          Quote: K-50
          "They'll be torn off their head," so that there is nothing and nowhere to grow.

          Will they dare? Needed (Casus belli) hi
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            14 December 2021 16: 23
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Will they dare? Needed (Casus belli)

            40 Years of Occupation in Korea Not Enough?
            The genocide of the Chinese population and the occupation of almost 50 years is not enough?
            South Korea will not fit into this only because of the roar and tugging of the leash from across the ocean, And even then, on the sly, will "return" something to itself.
            The Japanese have forgotten one simple thing - they live while the hegemon builds everyone, but if he dies, or they will feel themselves "significant" and life "before" will seem like paradise to them, compared to existence and survival "after", if they only "lose the coast" ... And the hegemon is not eternal, he was going to die like grandfather can. lol
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              14 December 2021 16: 27
              All these reasons are known ... But will these countries have enough drive, fuse, gunpowder ... They are not bullies, but terpily ...
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                14 December 2021 16: 41
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                All these reasons are known ... But will these countries have enough drive, fuse, gunpowder ... They are not bullies, but terpily ...

                Well, to solve the historical question of whom to live and who to survive, their leaders are unlikely to miss. It all depends on the Japs themselves.
                Any of their non-peaceful performance to any country is a signal to the neighbors that they may be next in line. And to get ahead of the Japs in such a matter, especially together with someone, probably no one will miss it.
                Although, of course, someone else's soul is darkness.
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      14 December 2021 19: 41
      I’ll tell you a terrible secret, but when the Yaps try to jerk towards the Kuril Islands, or else wherever, a lot of volunteers will appear on the same Kurils (at least the DPRK and Vietnam have a grudge against the Yap, and what a size of the Southerners, if the language is common with the Northmen quickly find in spite of all the graters). And by the way, when Trump ran over Eun, the southerners and the northerners in all seriousness began to discuss whether we would unite in a great Korea? From which Trump quite gave himself the back.
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    14 December 2021 16: 03
    After all, as soon as Russia starts any movement of troops on the border with Ukraine or the Baltic states there, a cat's throat begins in the West on the theme that soon Russia will begin to seize these territories.

    Well, in all fairness, about the "liberation of Ukraine", in the Russian media, it is not quieter in any way .... but more often.
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    14 December 2021 17: 56
    What can you expect? Yes, any dirty trick and any abomination ...
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    15 December 2021 14: 44
    For Amaterasu! For the glory of Izanagi and Izanami! Banzaaaai!
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    15 December 2021 14: 48
    The fleet, the army, the aviation, everything is in bloom! The Japanese are obsessed, shifted to the "fur" !!! And I assure you, in the mountains there are already hundreds of bases with these very mechas. Evangelion!
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    20 January 2022 00: 58
    The Japanese are great. Note - there are no oligarchs and bureaucrats sending children, and most importantly, MONEY to other countries. Crime is practically defeated. Illegal migrants are being forced out with not sickly fury. A small country, without huge mineral reserves, has created such a colossus. The author missed the creation of the F-1 fighter. Which was not only an IMPROVED version of the F-16 Agile Falcon (a variant with an increased area of ​​​​wings and plumage, designed for MAXIMUM horizontal and vertical maneuverability), but was also the FIRST IN THE WORLD, I REPEAT THE FIRST IN THE WORLD SERIAL AIRCRAFT WITH AFAR. And this is without a 300 million population, like the United States, without minerals, like in Russia, and after decades of OCCUPATION by US troops. The Japanese are GREAT in this regard ... That's who you need to take an example from (And of course from the Middle Kingdom - China).
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    20 January 2022 23: 41
    Quote: ROSS 42
    The strongest motivation is the acquisition of new lands for the population that has grown from state territories.


    ... therefore, having a clearly readable and already begun depopulation in front of them, they will climb to arrange a war for several islands with the world's first nuclear arsenal without a fundamental resource (they will not feed the economy) or strategic (the main routes of maritime trade are primarily southern and the east coast of the country) values ​​in the least developed infrastructural and least inhabited direction. Sounds like a great plan, we need to urgently punish them from the couch for such exorbitant insolence, discussing how they will be nuked.
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    27 January 2022 08: 16
    Japan is an island state, and the development of its navy is understandable and understandable. But why the hell would she have thousands of tanks - it's not clear. Tanks are a breakthrough weapon, the presence of which is understandable, for example, in Europe. There is a common land border and scope for the use of tanks. Suffice it to recall the fascist tank wedges of 1941, aimed at Moscow. What Japan is going to do with tanks is not clear. Let's say Japan is going to capture the Kuriles ... But you must first get to them, and then on these small islands covered with forests and mountains, fight by attacking. But the tank there, if it can be used, is only for defense, burying it up to the tower into the ground.