Modernization of MiG-31 aircraft continues

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Since 2007 Russian aviation the industry is implementing a major program of overhaul and modernization of the existing fleet of MiG-31 fighter-interceptors. Recently, new details of the modernization of a technical and organizational nature have become known. In addition, they revealed the existence of new developments for further aircraft upgrades.

Official visit


Overhaul and modernization of interceptors according to the modern MiG-31BM project is carried out by the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhny Novgorod with the participation of a number of suppliers of necessary products and under the supervision of the Ministry of Defense. The other day, the production was once again checked by the delegation of the contracting authority.



On November 25, the Sokol plant was visited by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko. The deputy minister inspected the production facilities and got acquainted with the progress of the current work on the modernization of the interceptors. Then a meeting was held on the implementation of the state defense order.

The Sokol management reported on the work carried out and the successes achieved, and also revealed some plans for the future. So, it is reported that recently it was possible to almost completely fulfill import substitution. Almost 100% of the necessary parts and assemblies come from Russian manufacturers. The services of suppliers from the post-Soviet countries were refused.


Work on the modernization of aircraft to the MiG-31BM is carried out rhythmically and at the required pace. Less than a year passes from admission to delivery of the interceptor. At the same time, the timing of the repair and renewal of a particular machine largely depends not on the capabilities of the Sokol, but on the work of suppliers of the second and third orders.

Technical details


The project of aircraft restoration with bringing to the “BM” state was developed in the late nineties, but later it was repeatedly refined and improved. During the visit of the delegation of the Ministry of Defense, the leadership of "Sokol" disclosed or clarified some details of the work and the whole project in its current form.

First of all, the arriving plane is disassembled; all components and assemblies are removed from the airframe. Then the glider undergoes troubleshooting, according to the results of which a plan for its repair and the amount of work required are determined. The next step is to replace the corroded areas of metal parts. Depending on the age, operating characteristics and general condition of the aircraft, this replacement costs from 15 to 50 percent. designs.


In the next stages, other products and components are replaced. New wiring harnesses are being laid to match the updated equipment. All rubber products are also replaced. A new canopy is being installed. According to the Sokol's management, such overhaul measures make it possible to ensure practically trouble-free operation of equipment in service.

The second goal of the MiG-31BM project is a complete replacement of onboard radio-electronic equipment. In place of obsolete devices, a radar station, a weapon control system, navigation and communication aids, as well as other means and assemblies of modern models are mounted. All new equipment is of Russian origin. Its implementation provides an almost threefold increase in the combat effectiveness of the interceptor in comparison with the base model.

New modernization


It is noteworthy that the process of updating the MiG-31 does not stop, and a new project of this kind is being developed right now. According to the management of the Sokol plant, replacement of control systems is envisaged. Instead of the existing mechanical wiring, it is proposed to implement the fly-by-wire control.


The design of such a modification of the aircraft has already been completed. In addition, one of the existing interceptors underwent a corresponding re-equipment. He is now on state trials. The exact results of such a project have not yet been named, but the very fact of bringing it to state tests is conducive to optimism.

From a technical point of view, the proposed project has several interesting features. So, the introduction of EDSU implies the rejection of the existing basic mechanical control systems. At the same time, the interceptor receives updated controls in the cockpit and electric actuators on the rudders. In addition, it is planned to install new computers that process commands from the pilot and transmit them to the appropriate drives.

Present and future


Serial modernization of interceptors according to the latest MiG-31BM project started at the beginning of the last decade and is still successfully continuing. Moreover, within the next few years it may be completed, and all aircraft of the combat fleet will be of modern modifications.


According to various sources, the Aerospace Forces has up to 150 "active" MiG-31 fighters of all modifications. By 2019-20 about a hundred vehicles were upgraded to "BM". Accordingly, it took only a few years to update the remaining equipment. So, in 2018, the management of the United Aircraft Corporation argued that the entire program could be completed by 2023. At the same time, the future of aircraft in storage remains unknown and unclear. It is quite possible that some of these machines will also go for overhaul and modernization for their subsequent return to service.

The results of the current modernization are obvious - both for specific aircraft and for the interceptor fleet as a whole. The main result is to restore technical readiness and extend the service life. Due to this, the MiG-31BM will be able to remain in service for at least 10-12 years. It is expected that such interceptors will guard our borders until at least the early or mid-thirties.

The radical renewal of the avionics complex is of great importance. The new sighting and navigation system is distinguished by an increased target detection range and an increased number of tracked objects. In addition, the speed is growing and the capabilities for group use and work in the general air defense circuits are improving.


Equally important is the updating of weapons control systems. MiG-31BM retains the entire range of ammunition of previous modifications, and also gets the opportunity to use modern weapons... At the same time, the potential of the aircraft in the context of armaments has not yet been fully used. This is confirmed by the MiG-31K project, in which the interceptor fighter received a large and heavy Dagger missile.

In the foreseeable future, work on the introduction of an EDSU can be successfully completed. This system will simplify the control of the aircraft and to some extent relieve the pilot. In addition, new technical possibilities are opening up for the use of autopilots and other systems of this kind - up to the creation of unmanned modifications of the interceptor. However, it is not known whether they will be used.

Realization of perspectives


Thus, despite its considerable age, the MiG-31 interceptor remains a very successful platform for avionics and weapons and has not yet developed its modernization potential. Through timely maintenance and repair, as well as by replacing components and assemblies, you can both extend the resource and get new opportunities - which is clearly demonstrated by the latest projects "BM" and "K".

At the same time, the industry is successfully coping with all the tasks set. With the required results, a full-scale aircraft modernization program continues and is even being completed, and at one of the stages, the renovation project was improved taking into account import substitution. In addition, new modernization projects are being created, the effect of which will be fully manifested only in the future.
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  1. +12
    30 November 2021 05: 48
    The plane is a technological masterpiece of that time and today. Put an end to the entire multi-billion dollar American program ,, Blackbird ,,
    1. +12
      30 November 2021 06: 14
      Quote: Runner2022
      The plane is a technological masterpiece of that time and today.

      It was he who put an end to the entire program ,, Blackbird ,,

      This is a controversial point. The MiG-25P and MiG-31 were unable to catch up with the SR-71 flying at maximum speed. A much greater danger to the supersonic reconnaissance aircraft was the long-range air defense missile system S-200VM / D.
      SR-71 left due to the excessively high cost of operation and resource development. In the late 1980s, the exploitation of the KN-11 reconnaissance satellites began. Who could solve the same problems without unnecessary risk.
      1. +6
        30 November 2021 06: 36
        For fun, see the Blackbird's turning radius. It is not necessary to intercept this Flying Log on a straight line)
        1. +21
          30 November 2021 07: 27
          For fun, see the turning radius of the MiG-31 at maximum speed.
          1. +1
            30 November 2021 07: 40
            For the sake of interest, I will not be allowed to test the MiG in flight myself, but there is no such data on the network) the Flying Log has almost 150 km, the MiG obviously has at least 2 times less, it seems like a Fighter - an interceptor
            1. +7
              30 November 2021 10: 22
              Quote: Runner2022
              For the sake of interest, I will not be allowed to test the MiG in flight myself, but this data is not available on the network)

              It is very difficult for the MiG-31, or any other interceptor, to take a good position to attack the SR-71.
              1. +4
                30 November 2021 12: 37
                Quote: Bongo
                It is very difficult for the MiG-31, or any other interceptor, to take a good position to attack the SR-71.

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                MiG-31, and any other interceptor to take a good position to attack the SR-71, will much easierthan the stationary S-200VM air defense system, the mobile S-300, S-350 and S-400 and any other land-based and sea-based anti-aircraft missile systems. hi
                1. +6
                  1 December 2021 04: 55
                  Quote: venik
                  The MiG-31, and indeed any other interceptor, to take a good position to attack the SR-71, will be much easier than the stationary S-200VM air defense system, mobile S-300, S-350 and S-400 and any other anti-aircraft missile systems of ground and sea-based

                  Vladimir, what does the S-350 and S-400 have to do with it? The S-300PS appeared in the Far East shortly before the decommissioning of the SR-71, and was not as dangerous for a high-speed reconnaissance aircraft as the S-200VM.

                  As for "much simpler", I report: when the SR-71 flew along our borders, each time it was taken to be escorted by the ROC S-200VM air defense missile systems located on the coast of the Sea of ​​Japan. At the same time, the GOS was captured by the missile defense system, and if a command was received, an American high-speed reconnaissance officer could be fired upon and shot down with a high probability.

                  I am not aware of any incidents when interceptor radars were taken to escort the SR-71 radar. Perhaps you will share such facts with me?
                  1. +3
                    1 December 2021 14: 45
                    Quote: Bongo
                    I am not aware of any incidents when interceptor radars were taken to escort the SR-71 radar. Perhaps you will share such facts with me?

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                    "....On January 31, 1986, Captain Mikhail Myagkiy from the 174th Guards Regiment on the MiG-31 received a "target lock" on the SR-71. It took off at 11:00, climbed to an altitude of 18 meters, approached 900 kilometers according to a worked-out scheme and noticed a spy's contrail. Then the pilot went three to four kilometers below the SR-60, even having time to see its black silhouette. The interception took only 71 minutes 15 seconds.
                    In total, Major Myagky's guard had 14 SR-71 interceptions, from 1984 to 1987. But with his own eyes he saw the spy only once - on that very day, January 31st. .... "(https://warhead.su/2018/12/04/v-sovetskom-pritsele-chyornyy-drozd-kak-sbit-amerikanskiy-samolyot-sr71)

                    In 1987, the MiG-25 in the Arctic three times "intercepted" the SR-71, approaching at a distance of a stable target contact radar (although the MiG-25 is not very suitable for intercepting the Drozd ... the radar is rather weak). There were other cases ... But WHAT does it matter? What was it about? Yes, that the air defense missile system - cannot take a CONVENIENT position for firing at the target BY DEFINITION, since it COST where stands and takes a more convenient position for shooting simply can not - does not have time! He is doomed to WAIT until the target itself enters the kill zone! And if it does NOT enter (goes around in an arc, hides in the "radar shadow"), what will happen? Right! Remains: request - make a helpless gesture (well, what can you do: "died - so died") ....
                    But the fighter - to take a position that is CONVENIENT for shooting ("capture for escort") - maybe, because the SAM is in the air, in motion, changing coordinates and speed, in accordance with the target's maneuvers! Firshtein? Sergey! This is to the question that "...MiG-31, and indeed any other interceptor, is very difficult to take a good position to attack the SR-71...... ". The MiG-31 and any other interceptor is not easy, but any land or sea air defense system - IMPOSSIBLE (a-priory!). hi
                    1. +5
                      1 December 2021 16: 16
                      Quote: venik
                      In total, Major Myagky's guard had 14 SR-71 interceptions, from 1984 to 1987.

                      With the taking on the escort of the radar, I think so. But in how many cases, in the case of the use of weapons, he was able to hit the target? Catching up with the SR-71 was hopeless even for the MiG-31.
                      In general, the main purpose of this interceptor was by no means the fight against the SR-71. Why are we fixated on this?
                      Quote: venik
                      any other interceptor is not easy, and any land or sea air defense system is IMPOSSIBLE (by definition!).

                      You build inferences without knowing the realities. I will repeat once again, with each flight of the SR-71, he was taken to escort the S-200VM air defense system, while there was real opportunity target firing.
                      However, shortly before the withdrawal of the SR-71 from service, they began to present surprises. In several cases, with the help of active interference, it was possible to disrupt the escort.
                      1. +2
                        1 December 2021 17: 16
                        while there was a real possibility of firing at the target
                        It remains only to understand whether he was over our territory! If not, then the weapon could not be used against it even from the ground, even from the air, despite its presence in the affected area!
                      2. +1
                        1 December 2021 19: 33
                        Quote: Bongo
                        I will repeat once again, with each flight of the SR-71, he was taken to escort the S-200VM air defense system, while there was a real possibility of firing at the target.

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                        Again - twenty-five! I tell you, Sergei - "about Foma", and you - "about Erema" to me! I tell you what a fighter can choose most comfortable position for shooting at the enemy (since he himself has the ability to quickly move and maneuver), but the ground complex does not, because it stands still! And you, with stubbornness worthy of better use, about how you "took for escort" SR-71 .... I need to tell you HOW is the reconnaissance of the enemy air defense system in the border areas in peacetime? Well - "took", so what? Could you quickly move to another point if he went around you in an arc at a distance of say 350 km (i.e. out of range)? No, you couldn't!
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                        Quote: Bongo
                        With the take on the escort of the radar, I suppose.

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                        Presumably, if the MiG pilot saw "Drozd" even visually!!!
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                        Quote: Bongo
                        But in how many cases, in the case of the use of weapons, he was able to hit the target? Catching up with the SR-71 was hopeless even for the MiG-31.

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                        "...I will not catch up with you - you, if sho - catch up with a bullet... "(quote from an old movie). The R-33 missile has a speed of 4.5 M (SR-71 - 3.2 M, maximum - 3.3 M), and is capable of hitting targets flying at speeds up to 3.5 M (ie SR -71 - even "in pursuit") .... hi
      2. KCA
        +6
        30 November 2021 06: 48
        So why would the 31st have to catch up with the SR-71? Could catch up with the R-33, especially the R-33E with a launch range of 300 km
        1. +10
          30 November 2021 07: 31
          Quote: KCA
          So why would the 31st have to catch up with the SR-71? Could catch up with the R-33, especially the R-33E with a launch range of 300 km

          The launch range is 300 km from a catch-up course on a target flying at a speed of 3M? wassat
          Do you understand how interception occurs and how air defense works in general? No.
          And didn't you accidentally say that the Korean air defense systems are guarding "mattress bases"?
          1. KCA
            +6
            30 November 2021 07: 42
            In your opinion, the SR-71 will be spotted only after it has flown over the air defense airfield and you have to catch up with it? Previously, it was impossible to detect it, it is invisible, right? I, foolishly, thought that the air defense detects objects flying in the direction of the border long before crossing it and the fighters rise BEFORE crossing the border, and go to the intruder on a counter, not on a catch-up course, well, they tell on the Internet, and all sorts of fairy tales about ZGRLS , which for 2000 km a tin can in the sky will detect and determine the direction of movement ...
            1. -3
              30 November 2021 08: 04
              It is not necessary to distort and exaggerate. Situations are different. You should not adjust your theories to reality. No.
              In terms of the time period, the MiG-31 and SR-71 did not intersect for long.
              You better tell us about the Korean air defense systems on the "mattress bases" and real range of missile launches on supersonic targets? wink
              1. KCA
                0
                30 November 2021 08: 11
                What do I care about Korean air defense systems on mattress bases? The Koreans ordered a missile from us for the air defense system, we developed it, at the same time for ourselves, thanks to this we got the S-350, this is all I know about the air defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                1. +7
                  30 November 2021 10: 31
                  Quote: KCA
                  What do I care about Korean air defense systems on mattress bases?

                  Well, you said that, didn't you? I remember that too. We even argued a little.
                  Especially for you, I made this publication:

                  Air defense of the Republic of Korea. Airspace control radar systems and missile systems of object air defense and missile defense

                  https://topwar.ru/173481-sistema-pvo-respubliki-koreja-radiolokacionnye-sredstva-kontrolja-vozdushnogo-prostranstva-i-raketnye-kompleksy-obektovoj-pvo-i-pro.html
                  1. KCA
                    0
                    30 November 2021 10: 44
                    Yes, I never wrote anything like that, beguiled or just nonsense and Co.? And even more so, I never hang labels in the comments and do not discuss the place of residence of the authors of articles and comments, I read articles according to their interest for me, and not by authorship, I don’t even look who the author of the article is, especially since his name is indicated at the end articles, I'm not a maniac, to scroll through each article to the end, find an author and only then decide whether to read or not
                    1. +9
                      30 November 2021 10: 46
                      Quote: KCA
                      I've never written anything like this

                      Betting on a bottle of cognac, what's wrong?
                      1. KCA
                        -4
                        30 November 2021 10: 57
                        Of course, especially since I am not a resident of Belarus and the minimum distance from me to the Republic of Bashkortostan was during my trip to Gagarin back in 1995, and not, I passed through the territory of the Republic of Belarus by train in 1992 on the way to Frankfurt -Odere
                      2. +8
                        30 November 2021 11: 00
                        Quote: KCA
                        Of course, especially since I am not a resident of Belarus and the minimum distance from me to the Republic of Bashkortostan was during my trip to Gagarin back in 1995, and not, I passed through the territory of the Republic of Belarus by train in 1992 on the way to Frankfurt -Odere

                        This is what at all?
                        You have stated the following:
                        mattress bases in the Republic of Kazakhstan protect KM-SAM developed by Almaz-Antey

                        Will you continue to give up your words?
            2. +4
              30 November 2021 16: 54
              The plane was flown after it took off in England. Further, a matter of technology. The question is that it was difficult to shoot him down, since he walked clearly along the state border, with a slight jump inside for a minute or a half. And here they tried to catch him, but they could not, since he is very smart. And the screeching would be heavenly if knocked down in no-man's air.
        2. +13
          30 November 2021 10: 24
          Quote: KCA
          So why would the 31st have to catch up with the SR-71? Could catch up with R-33

          Not very likely, and only on a head-on and overlapping course.
          Quote: KCA
          especially R-33E with a launch range of 300 km

          As an absolutely knowledgeable and informed person, please remind me when the UR R-33E appeared in the troops, and when the SR-71 was decommissioned?
        3. +9
          30 November 2021 10: 47
          How can an R-33 with an initial speed of 6M catch up with a 3M plane? From 100 km to the dogon it will not be enough.
      3. +4
        30 November 2021 10: 08
        The MiG-25P and MiG-31 were unable to catch up with the SR-71 flying at maximum speed.

        It is not worth comparing a piece product that costs a little less than a space shuttle to build and operate with the most common production aircraft. At one time, MiG riveted at a rate of 17 cars per month. And he certainly did not need the greenhouse conditions of three dozen made "Drozdov"
      4. +10
        30 November 2021 10: 36
        Quote: Tucan
        A much greater danger to the supersonic reconnaissance aircraft was the long-range air defense missile system S-200VM / D.

        Agree Yes Moreover, as soon as our radars spotted the SR-71 in the air, the fighter aircraft hastily left the "two hundred" firing sector. I don’t know about the C-200D, these complexes were built very few, and most likely they were only in the Moscow region and at the test site in Kazakhstan. But in the 11th OAPVO in the Far East, the main means of countering the SR-71 was the modernized Vega.
        1. +1
          30 November 2021 21: 44
          Sergey, SR-71 was not recorded in the air. On the performance of pre-flight preparation on it, the duty officer reported on it, then about its takeoff from the Mildenhall base, refueling north of Norway, then the pilots slowly put on high-altitude suits. The aircraft never left any sectors of the air defense missile system.
          1. +4
            1 December 2021 04: 40
            Quote: alipes
            Sergei, SR-71 was not recorded in the air. The operational duty officer reported on the performance of pre-flight preparation on it to the duty unit, then about its takeoff from Mildenhall base, refueling to the north of Norway
            Boris, please tell us how you learned about the pre-flight preparation?
            You may have heard of the Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, from where the SR-71 also flew. wink
            Our work proceeded as follows. How did they find out about the arrival of the SR-71 from Kadena, I do not know. Perhaps our peaceful fishermen worked.
            After the announcement of readiness number 1, the initial detection took place using the P-14 radar. After that, the radio altimeter was switched on, giving target designation to the ROC S-200VM air defense system.
            Quote: alipes
            The aircraft never left any sectors of the air defense missile system.

            As far as I know, during the flight of the "Blackbird" in the area of ​​responsibility of the 11th Air Defense Army, they tried to clear the airspace of their aviation.
            "Password" and "Silicon" as a rule worked reliably, and the operators of the Russian Orthodox Church unambiguously distinguished the SR-71 from our interceptors by the radar picture. But this was only before the launch, by and large, the semi-active radar seeker had no difference at whom it was aimed, if our MiG or Su hit the beam, a re-interception could easily occur. Unfortunately, there have been such cases, including with human casualties.
            1. 0
              1 December 2021 10: 19
              Intelligence, radio-technical intelligence worked, others - we were not informed about this.
              1. +3
                1 December 2021 12: 13
                Quote: alipes
                Intelligence, radio-technical intelligence worked, others - we were not informed about this.

                I deeply doubt that the intelligence agency was engaged in this - the risk of exposure was too great. You know the frequency of flights of the SR-71. No one would shine valuable shots in routine tasks.
                During the pre-flight preparation VHF radio channels were not used, and radio intelligence is powerless here. Our AWACS planes were actively working in the European north, which was not the case in the east. Maybe they helped?
                1. 0
                  2 December 2021 10: 39
                  Among the intelligence services, the third in a row is written "others." The A-50 did not fly.
      5. -2
        30 November 2021 22: 10
        Quote: Tucan
        This is a controversial point. The MiG-25P and MiG-31 were unable to catch up with the SR-71 flying at maximum speed.

        And the MiG-31 missiles too?
      6. 0
        1 December 2021 13: 31
        The FAI is a very interesting organization. She registered American altitude records, allegedly, the manned rocket planes took off above 100 kilometers, although this never happened, and attributed the speed record to the Blackbird, although the MiG-25 flew faster ... But the MiG-25 prowls in altitude, 200 meters amplitude , and therefore the FAI cannot fix his record in any way.
  2. +4
    30 November 2021 06: 20
    There are doubts about the modernity of the modernized aircraft.
    If the project went into operation in 2007, it means that it was completed even earlier. Those. this is the technique of the previous generation. The same radar is inferior even to those available at that time in Russia. Now this "modern" aircraft needs to be modernized again for good.
    1. -9
      30 November 2021 06: 54
      Well, the Americans consider the F-15s to be the most modern and formidable. And the 31st performance characteristics will be higher.
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 22: 15
        Quote: Runner2022
        Well, the Americans consider the F-15s to be the most modern and formidable. And the 31st performance characteristics will be higher.

        These are different planes for different tasks. And not in all the flight characteristics of the MiG is better. Maneuverability, for example. But for his tasks she was not very much and was needed.
    2. +1
      30 November 2021 08: 06
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      there are doubts.

      I am happy for the upgraded MiG-31! I saw a report about the aircraft repair plant, how the boys were happy about each repaired, restored aircraft .. But where is the MIG-41? feel
      1. +3
        30 November 2021 08: 57
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        But where is the MIG-41?

        He is unnecessary. As well as the MiG-31, however. Their tasks are perfectly fulfilled and exceeded by the Su-30/35. Su-57 surpasses them in everything, so it is needed massively.
        The presence of the MiG-31 in combat units is due only to the lack of a replacement for it. We have too few fighters, for the whole country there are 226 Su-30/35 units, about ~ 300 outdated and frankly old Su-27/33, MiG-29/31.
        1. +12
          30 November 2021 12: 12
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          As well as the MiG-31, however. Their tasks are perfectly fulfilled and exceeded by the Su-30/35.

          no
          according to the speed of reaching the line Su is completely drained
          and this is an important parameter
  3. +5
    30 November 2021 06: 22
    I caught myself on the fact that lately, first of all, I have been looking through the news on rearmament and modernization. Apparently, the hysteria of a possible war, fanned in the West, remains somewhere in the memory and subconsciously activates attention to specific news related to the guarantee of our security.
  4. +7
    30 November 2021 06: 44
    More than 500 units were produced in total. 25 went to Kazakhstan, we have 250 units in service and in storage, as they write in different sources. Everything that will pass the fault detection must be brought to the BM or K. It is obligatory. This plane can not fly so often, just be in service. The deterrent factor. BM - a club against striped bombers, K - a club against ground and surface targets. No one has such a fighter. 3000 km / h at full afterburner, h = 20 km +, interception along the front 450 km. Range, long missiles. Yes, strict in piloting, well, that's understandable.
    1. -2
      30 November 2021 06: 47
      That's for sure) no combat aircraft in the world has as many world records as the 31st)
  5. -3
    30 November 2021 07: 18
    At one time (at the beginning of the 10s) there was some chatter about the modernization of the MiG-31 in terms of speed characteristics up to 4M (4300-4800 km / h). Then I didn’t attach much importance to this, that we love to chat, but tests with EDSU make us think ... When the speed increases at supersonic, the aerodynamic focus of the aircraft shifts back and the apparatus becomes wildly unstable. This is probably the only meaning of the introduction of EDSU on an old spent aircraft - an increase in speed with all that it implies. Naturally, it can also be assumed that a third (direct-flow) circuit has been added (added) to the engine.
    1. +10
      30 November 2021 09: 21
      Increase speed by 30%? Something really looks fantastic.
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 11: 09
        Quote: Monar
        Something really looks fantastic.

        It was not I who came up with this, but the installation of the EDSU in this case looks more logical than giving the ability to hang a lot of all kinds of ammunition anywhere. The MiG's trick is speed, and the overload limit is up to 5 (from memory) and making it a dull bomb carrier with a loss of speed characteristics (by analogy with the F-15) is not smart and expensive. Threatened to give him the ability to intercept hypersonic targets and BB
        1. +5
          30 November 2021 11: 54
          EDSU installation in any case looks logical. As far as I know, it is easier and more reliable. And now the MiG-31 carries its main weapon 1.5 times more. So to disperse it 30% faster without replacing the dvigun (minimum) does not seem to me a reality.
          1. +1
            30 November 2021 12: 34
            Quote: Monar
            EDSU installation in any case looks logical.

            On an old glider, without changing the performance characteristics? Not counting the money is a bad habit.
            Quote: Monar
            So to disperse it 30% faster without replacing the dvigun (minimum) does not seem to me a reality.

            As an option - a third direct-flow circuit to the afterburner ... changing the type of engine on an old aircraft, having more than 100% replacement reserve, is probably not worth it
            1. +1
              30 November 2021 18: 46
              And what is the old glider bad for EDSU? The computer will calculate what the mechanic used to do. Will the reliability not increase and the weight will not decrease?
              Well and so. For curiosity. An example of a COMBAT vehicle, where the third afterburner circuit has increased its speed by 30%, you can lead. Moreover, the combat load increased by 1.5 times.
      2. +2
        30 November 2021 14: 45
        Quote: Monar
        Increase speed by 30%? Something really looks fantastic.

        HZ by how much, but the MiG-25's speed limit was due to controllability
    2. +7
      30 November 2021 11: 25
      modernization of the MiG-31 in terms of speed characteristics up to 4M

      Once I read that theoretically - the glider and the energy allow you to accelerate more than the declared one, but - they could not make the flashlight for such speeds ..
      1. +1
        30 November 2021 11: 34
        Yes, apparently we have the same sources. The lantern was made of special glass instead of organic matter.
        1. -1
          30 November 2021 17: 27
          Probably they did it from quartz glass.
    3. 0
      30 November 2021 14: 05
      Quote: mark1
      At one time (at the beginning of the 10s) there was some chatter about the modernization of the MiG-31 in terms of speed characteristics up to 4M (4300-4800 km / h).

      There was no such thing. They talked about changing the glazing of the cockpit, which could not withstand speeds above 2500.
      And to increase the speed by 41%, it is required to double the engine power and, accordingly, to strengthen the airframe - which is not realistic in the framework of the MiG-31 - a completely different aircraft will turn out.
    4. +2
      1 December 2021 02: 09
      It is impossible to increase the speed because the glider is not designed for such temperatures. The body of the blackbird was cooled with fuel so that it could fly the 3M all the time. 4M is a completely different temperature and the old glider will not withstand it 100%.
  6. 0
    30 November 2021 11: 14
    Is there your own radar now or an analogue with the Su35S? PFAR?
    1. +3
      30 November 2021 12: 11
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Is there your own radar now or an analogue with the Su35S?

      incomparably WORSE - modernization of the long-obsolete "Barrier"
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 12: 12
        Why don't they install the same systems? The DB missiles were installed on the Su35S ... which means there are no pairing problems. They will also put on the Su30 ....., but here they are inventing the wheel.
        1. +1
          30 November 2021 12: 22
          Quote: Zaurbek
          why not put the same systems?

          Due to the competition of manufacturers.
          The MiG has always had its own counterparts, and Sukhoi has his own. And the quality is the last thing here, first of all, "to please the dear little man."
          1. +1
            30 November 2021 12: 39
            Well, they merged the MiG and Sukhoi ...
          2. +3
            30 November 2021 13: 18
            "to please a dear little man"
            The developer of the radar for the MiG-31 and the radar for Sukhoi fighters is the same!
            1. +1
              30 November 2021 14: 47
              Quote: Hexenmeister
              The developer of the radar for the MiG-31 and the radar for Sukhoi fighters is the same!

              "Zaslon" (which is AO) is climbing there strenuously
              With the fact that he is really "moget" belay - see anti-aircraft firing of corvettes No.
        2. +4
          30 November 2021 14: 08
          Why don't they install the same systems?
          "Zaslon" works in a different range, although the transition to the three-centimeter range will not get any worse. If we want to use the MiG-31 to its full potential, then we need a lattice with a larger diameter than on the Irbis from the Su-35, and this is a different spatial resolution and other algorithms for the radar operation. The radar itself does not work, which means you need to interface with the Mig-31 board, plus another construct, that is, a change in the entire structure under the radar blocks. There is nothing fundamentally impossible, but a lot of work needs to be done.
          1. +2
            30 November 2021 14: 48
            Quote: Hexenmeister
            "Zaslon" works in a different range, although the transition to the three-centimeter range will not get any worse. If we want to use the MiG-31 to its full potential, then we need a lattice with a larger diameter than on the Irbis from the Su-35, and this is a different spatial resolution and other algorithms for the radar operation. The radar itself does not work, which means you need to interface with the Mig-31 board, plus another construct, that is, a change in the entire structure under the radar blocks. There is nothing fundamentally impossible, but a lot of work needs to be done.

            Yes ...
            but alas, the decision was different
            In a personal conversation, Yu.I. assessed him as "a mistake worse than a crime"
            1. 0
              30 November 2021 14: 53
              but alas, the decision was different
              What solution? Let it be as it is? To charge a St. Petersburg office with the modernization of the MiG-31 radar? Not to adapt the new developments of NIIP for the MiG-31? Personally, I didn't understand anything.
              1. +1
                30 November 2021 17: 26
                Quote: Hexenmeister
                What solution?

                modernization old "Barrier" (instead of the new radar)
                NIIP did it, but now it was already embodied by JSC "Zaslon" (and with a bunch of troubles due to the long-not-produced EEE, the spare parts were taken out all over)
                1. +1
                  30 November 2021 17: 37
                  modernization of the old "Barrier" (instead of the new radar)
                  Thank you, now I understand. But in fact, the St. Petersburg ones played the role of a serial plant, and did not act as developers.
                  1. +2
                    30 November 2021 17: 54
                    Quote: Hexenmeister
                    did not act as developers.

                    they climb into the developers
                    and how they climb!
                    see my series of articles on air defense of corvettes
                    1. +1
                      30 November 2021 17: 58
                      I read about their deeds with waterfowl, let's hope that with the air theme they will have a bummer.
                      1. 0
                        30 November 2021 18: 37
                        Quote: Hexenmeister
                        with an air theme they have a bummer

                        Cutter (Ka-52)
                        they heat different things, maybe it will work (the power was reduced and a bunch of fans were hung up)
                        but the priest is that there is TTZ ochchchchennoe, and (their nickname in the OPK of St. Petersburg) make "square eyes" which is kind of not in business (supposedly "this is all the customer")
        3. +2
          30 November 2021 14: 46
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Why don't they install the same systems? The DB missiles were installed on the Su35S ... which means there are no pairing problems.

          ask what JSC "Zaslon" is and who is behind it ...
          1. -2
            30 November 2021 18: 08
            "The energy capabilities of the Zaslon-AM radar have been increased by about 2 times compared to the usual 8B Zaslon: the target detection range with EPR 1m2 reached 200-230 km, the F-35A stealth fighter - about 140 km; the number of tracked targets reached 24 units, and the speed of the intercepted target is 6300 km / h. In addition, the new station can control air-to-air missiles of the R-77 family, including the 180-PD Product, due to which the MiG-31BM became capable of fighting with highly maneuverable enemy aircraft, to which the usual MiG-31B was not adapted. " At the moment, it is quite enough to detect and intercept Lancers B 52 F15 F 16 F 18 F 35 drones of subsonic cruise missiles of the Tomahawk type of tactical missiles AGM 158 and gliding bombs AGM 154. The MiG 036 will be Russia's main interceptor for many years to come.
            1. +2
              30 November 2021 18: 39
              Quote: Vadim237
              At the moment it is quite enough for detection and interception.


              do not tear the trampoline
              1. -1
                1 December 2021 17: 50
                You tore your Klimich long ago.
  7. +5
    30 November 2021 12: 09
    The glider itself is very good, there is a significant residual life + engines.
    BUT - The "Zaslon-AM" radar was good only in the 90s, now it is, alas, very, very outdated, and with her there can be no question of effective counteraction to modern fighters.
    A very big mistake was made in the late 2000s - the radar had to be definitely changed (for an even more powerful version of the Irbis)
    1. 0
      30 November 2021 21: 07
      Here you need to separate the flies from the cutlets. "Barrier" in its present form can probably be considered outdated. But if we compare it with the same “Irbis”, then in the latter there are not even a quarter of the ideas that were implemented in “Zaslon” long before the appearance of the “Irbis”. In particular, non-trivial methods of increasing the detection range are not fully used. Therefore, the further development of these principles and their implementation by modern methods will make it possible to create a much more efficient and more promising radar in comparison with the Irbis.
  8. +3
    30 November 2021 13: 14
    With such a deep modernization (replacing almost all the insides), it makes sense to use the MiG-25 as well.
    1. +2
      30 November 2021 13: 15
      Under the Dagger, even better ... but there is no 2nd pilot
      1. +5
        30 November 2021 13: 17
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Under the Dagger, even better ... but there is no 2nd pilot

        And why a co-pilot for Dagger? The target designation there is still external. The pilot only needs to press "start".
  9. -2
    30 November 2021 14: 18
    Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko checked the progress of work at several defense enterprises of the country.
  10. +1
    30 November 2021 16: 42
    Why don't they make new ones?
    In any case, they replace almost everything.
    1. -3
      30 November 2021 17: 34
      Why make new ones when there are more than 300 MiGs in service and storage of more than 41 pieces, the steel airframe has a large resource potential, so they upgrade the existing one - now the RSK MiG is working on the creation of the MiG XNUMX.
  11. 0
    1 December 2021 10: 11
    Quote: Runner2022
    The plane is a technological masterpiece of that time and today. Put an end to the entire multi-billion dollar American program ,, Blackbird ,,

    From the point of view of a long-range brazier, the Tu-148 would have been better, but it did not work out.
  12. 0
    1 December 2021 10: 14
    Quote: Lontus
    With such a deep modernization (replacing almost all the insides), it makes sense to use the MiG-25 as well.

    There were projects to modernize the MiG-25P for 6 R-27 missiles. But in the USSR they did not like modernization, but preferred to create new aircraft - more funding and honor.
    1. -1
      1 December 2021 11: 05
      It would be more correct to say that the modernization of the MiG-25P began at the wrong time, it was planned to install the N-001 from the Su-27 on it, and it would be best if this modernization coincided with the appearance of the first Su-27, but it would not have been pulled. And then everything came together, the MiG-31 with the "Barrier" was already flying with might and main, the modernization process itself took time, and the release of the aircraft armed with the R-27ER in the late eighties was no longer relevant, the transition of the Americans to AIM in the early 90s -120, would immediately make it obsolete, plus, in addition, "perestroika" was already raging with might and main ...
    2. -1
      1 December 2021 17: 54
      Unfortunately, the history of the Miga 25 ended in 1977 when "our" hijacked it to Japan, giving the United States all the secrets, including its own foreign system, because of which the USSR had to change the onion system in all troops on all combat vehicles, which cost a huge amount of money.
  13. -3
    1 December 2021 10: 58
    Here in the USSR they knew how to do it !!!! And now the scientific school of Russia is the best!
    1. -2
      2 December 2021 00: 20
      And now the scientific school of Russia is the best!


      I would not speak with such pathos. The scientific school in Russia is good, it is one of the five world leaders, but to call it the best is too much.

      In 2013, Russia spent $ 40,7 billion on science, that is, about 10 times less than the leader of the rating - the United States. We spend 1,13% of the country's GDP on science, ranking 25th in the world by this indicator. Israel invests the largest share of its income - 4,21% of GDP, and China has been growing the fastest in recent years.
      In 2013, 7,8 million scientists worked on the planet.
      Most of them work in the European Union, China and the United States. In 2013, there were 440,6 thousand researchers in Russia - compared to 2007, our share in the world research community decreased from 7,3 to 5,7%. And in terms of such an indicator as the number of scientists per capita, Israel is again ahead of everyone: there are eight scientists per thousand inhabitants (in Russia - three).
      Number of scientific articles.
      In China, which is rapidly becoming the third scientific superpower alongside the US and the EU, the number of publications has doubled in five years, and in ten years they have increased their share in the world bank of scientific articles from 5% to 20%. Alas, the share of Russia from 2008 to 2013 decreased from 2,7 to 2,3%. The Russian scientific community publishes ten times fewer articles than the American or Chinese, we are only a fraction of a percent ahead of Iran and Turkey (but in these countries the number of publications is growing rapidly, especially in Iran). And even less our works are cited - the citation index of Russian scientists is only 0,51, with an average of 1,02 in the G20 countries.
  14. +2
    1 December 2021 18: 02
    I don’t know what kind of modernization we are talking about, but I know that a significant part of the equipment and components for this aircraft has not been produced for a long time. Including motors.
    Therefore, either from donors or from long-term storage. But it is all outdated and hopeless.
    Even the station L006 "Birch" on the L-150 "Pastel" was not changed.
  15. +2
    1 December 2021 19: 32
    Quote: Vadim237
    Unfortunately, the history of the Miga 25 ended in 1977 when "our" hijacked it to Japan, giving the United States all the secrets, including its own foreign system, because of which the USSR had to change the onion system in all troops on all combat vehicles, which cost a huge amount of money.

    Our Belenko harbor boat is large, but exaggerated in places. The system "friend or foe" was already planned to be changed.
  16. -3
    2 December 2021 11: 30
    Quote: SergKam
    And now the scientific school of Russia is the best!


    I would not speak with such pathos. The scientific school in Russia is good, it is one of the five world leaders, but to call it the best is too much.
    .

    Manipulation of numbers according to manuals is not a channel! The Russian scientific school is the BEST! It is measured by discoveries, and not by the "number of publications" and even less by the number of "scientific workers" with diplomas that were purchased or received (on studies of dog trimming).
  17. -1
    4 December 2021 12: 13
    "Less than a year passes from admission to delivery of the interceptor." All this time he is in the shops of the enterprise? In a year, whole ships are being modernized, not just one plane .... Yeah, the pace of work of suppliers, logisticians and the repairmen themselves in Russia is simply depressing. Further it will be worse - generations of youtubers, tick tokers, stand-ups and other "super popular bloggers" are growing where you can earn a fortune by antics and downs, but engineers, designers, technical specialists are not interesting to young people, their shortage will further affect the defense industry ...
  18. 0
    4 December 2021 18: 31
    Modernization, revisions are good.
    BUT how many new types of combat aircraft were designed and, especially, launched into mass production after 1991 ???
    Oto well ...
    Aviators of the Soviet era, when meeting with fellow students, exchanged impressions about which aircraft they were working on.
    Service on an airplane at the age of 10 was regrettable ...
  19. -1
    4 December 2021 20: 29
    Excellent, overhaul. Mark Twain had his own opinion on this matter: the watch is good until it falls into the hands of the watchmaker, and the horse until it stumbles. Everything has certain opening hours and this applies to everything. Unless the planes will be made disposable. Like the Japanese kamikaze.
  20. 0
    13 January 2022 18: 56
    Yes, I can’t believe that everything is fine, which means that the one who is responsible for the program really knows how to do his job. And it's worthy.
  21. 0
    12 February 2022 20: 15
    Migu would be a controlled thrust vector and cylinders with an oxidizer, it would be a space fighter