Tank freak show. "Tanks-giraffes"

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Tank freak show. "Tanks-giraffes"
"Tank-giraffe" by engineer John Tapp "Praying Mantis" (Praying Mantis). The cockpit starts to rise ...

"An improvement in one parameter of the system leads to a deterioration in another parameter."
G.S. Altshuller

History armored vehicles. Today we will again visit our tank freak show, and our exhibition will not be large in size, but interesting. It will be about “tanks-giraffes ", that is, vehicles with rising warheads.

And it so happened that even in the distant Soviet times I had the opportunity to read a very interesting book by B.L. Zlotin and A.V. Zusman "A month under the stars of fantasy", from which I first learned about TRIZ - the theory of inventive problem solving, and ... I really liked it. It happened in 1988, just when I was working on my Ph.D. thesis in the graduate school of KSU, and I did not miss the opportunity to write in it that it would be nice for students to give it to read, that is, at least to acquaint them with TRIZ, and also to tell about it on Kuibyshev television in the program "School Country Workshop", which I then hosted there from 1985 to 1989. But it was necessary to show the solution of one of the TRIZ problems in a visual way. Because in each program of the "Country ..." it was told about some kind of homemade product. It was February 23rd, and I decided to make ... a tank! After all, a tank is a tangle of contradictions, and one of them is this: the tank must be low so that it is difficult for the enemy to notice it, and the tank must be high, because "everything is better seen from above." How could you try to resolve this contradiction? And here's how: create a tank with a rising turret!




Again the cover of the American magazine "Modern Mechanics", and on it a mobile observation post rising to a great height!

That is, the same car is both low and high at the same time. He raised the tower from behind the bushes, from the ravine, from behind the fence, looked out for the enemy, otherwise he shot at him and immediately lowered him, before he had time to answer you! The model turned out to be very effective. She not only went and turned, but also raised and lowered the tower, which was attached to the body on a "two-toothed" lever. The transfer to the Kuibyshev schoolchildren, and not only them, but also adults, then liked it. Here are just questions in letters about whether such tanks are being developed somewhere, I could not answer due to ignorance. The model itself has not survived either. Over the 40 programs carried out in Kuibyshev, there were so many of them that there was no way to bring them to Penza. So they remained for the future inhabitant of my graduate student apartment as a keepsake ...

However, time has passed, and today you can tell about the "tanks-giraffes" in much more detail ...

It all began with the fact that in 1937 the British engineer John Tupp received a patent for a low-profile machine, designed in such a way that it could fire over walls and from behind low cover. The beginning of the war with Germany spurred the work, because then everyone was only saying that the Germans were about to land on the British Isles, and any means were good to repulse them.


"Praying Mantis" Tappa with the cockpit raised to the maximum elevation angle

And in 1941, Tupp finally presented his car to the War Department. In fact, it was a Carden-Loyd tankette, on the chassis of which a special lifting mechanism was installed, armed with a machine-gun mount. The driver, who is also the shooter, was lying (!) In the rising part of the car and could observe through the viewing slot and the periscope. An interesting design feature was the presence of a kind of machine gun stabilizer in the vertical plane.


In what, and in the unusual appearance of the Tapp car, it was difficult to refuse ... Somehow his turret resembles a head Robot- peacemaker from the movie "Short Circuit" (1986)

The unusual-looking car was called "Praying Mantis", that is, "Praying Mantis", and - yes, indeed, in some way it really looked like him! During the tests, of course, some shortcomings were noted: the most significant - a crew of one person - but on the whole the machine worked! It is clear that the designer immediately made it double. And they decided to use the chassis from the Universal armored personnel carrier, since this armored vehicle was both technically reliable and well-developed in production.

For that time, it was more than an innovative development. So, the maximum height of the warhead of the "Praying Mantis" was 3,48 meters. At the same time, the driver (right) and machine gunner (left) were still placed in a prone position, so that his "normal" height was less than human height!

The modernized "Praying Mantis" began to be tested in 1943, when the threat of a German landing on the islands had already passed. In addition, one curious specific flaw of the machine became clear. The fact is that the cockpit on the move, when it was raised, swayed strongly, and the crew began to "seasick". In addition, there was the problem of remote guidance of the turret. Still, fiber optics and TV cables, and TV itself, were absent at that time, or rather, did not reach the level of today's perfection. Therefore, in 1944, the project was closed. Although the car turned out to be very good. Its height especially impressed: only 1200 mm in the "folded state". Armament: two 7,92-mm machine guns "Bren" were considered quite sufficient. Well, the speed: 48 km / h is also very good for such a small car. But ... she was no longer needed!


"Praying mantis" in camouflage. Side view. Above, the cockpit is lowered, below it is raised

The project of a tank with a rising turret was born in the USSR during the war. But, of course, it is enough just to look at it to understand all its unreality.


Project of a Soviet tank with a rising turret

But in the USA in the fifties of the last century, an attempt was made to create a Falcon (Falcon) tank with ... a "flying tower". In theory, it was supposed to combine the advantages of a helicopter and a tank with a rising turret.


Its approximate appearance

Inside the cylindrical tower with an aerodynamic profile of the inner walls was an engine with coaxial propellers and a cockpit with a machine gun. True, the pilot from it had to look at the horizon at an angle, which limited his angle of view. But he could increase it by rising to a great height. Rockets - its main armament, were in tube containers on both sides of the cylinder. In general, the idea seems to be not bad, but ... worthy not so much of the army as of the circus in the fresh air. Filigree piloting technique was required to control the "flying tower", and the costs of operating such a tank would have exceeded all reasonable limits. Another thing is a tank with a launch pad drones, moreover, drones powered by cable from a tank generator.

Such a machine was described in the book "Tanks are unique and paradoxical" as one of the possible ways of development of the BTT in the future. But ... this "foresight" did not come true. Drones are already being installed on tanks, but so far those that have autonomous power are being used.

In general, as it always happens, reality turned out to be much more prosaic and more rational than any forecasts.


For example, this is how the American M113 armored personnel carrier looks like with a station for detecting enemy artillery batteries. It is equipped with a rising mast, and quite high, with a radar at the top, but nothing more ... No weapons installed there!


М113А2 "Tou-2" - self-propelled unit for launching guided anti-tank missiles. For firing, the container with missiles rises somewhat above the body of the armored personnel carrier, but not very high

Nevertheless, the idea of ​​tanks with rising warheads did not die. On the contrary, in the 70s of the last century, in addition to hunting for tanks for "giraffes", they came up with a new task: now they had to fight with Soviet combat helicopters. Of course, there were both ZSU and SAM, but they very often lack a direct line of sight. But the "Giraffe" could hit the Soviet Mi-24, hiding behind the forest, from behind the houses - but you never know where he could stick out his long "neck".


As one of the options in the same Germany, for example, the use of the Swiss-American universal missile ADATS (Air Defense Anti Tank System) mounted on a tank chassis was considered

England and France soon became interested in the German idea. After that, in the second half of the 80s, the project "Panther-2" was launched - it was already a full-fledged rocket "tank-giraffe". Such a machine was supposed to operate from an ambush, performing the function of an anti-tank mobile complex, but at the same time it could well participate directly in a tank battle. That is, the degree of its versatility would have increased!

Already in 1988, the Wegman company was declared the winner, since it managed to offer the cheapest version of the hoisting unit with HOT-3 missiles.


Their competitor was the Euromissile Dynamics company, which built the TRIGAT (Third Generation Anti Tank) universal complex on the chassis of the Leopard 1A2 tank

The idea came up to make a rising and automatic cannon for self-defense, and instead of an ATGM, equip such a machine with a rising laser installation - to shoot down helicopters and blind the crews of enemy tanks.

The Germans considered that such installations were "just that", but then 1991 came, the "threat from the East" dissipated like smoke, and they decided not to spend money on this new "superweapon", but to spend it on the long-awaited integration with East Germany.


Tank with a rising turret: project under the "Panzerkampfvagen 2000" program

Later, in the XNUMXs, as part of the work on the Puma BMP, the option of creating an ATGM with a raised combat module was again considered, but the matter, as before, did not go beyond the drawings.

In the United States, an attempt was made on the basis of the Sheridan airborne tank to create a light tank HSTV-L with a 75-mm automatic gun with a high rate of fire and an initial projectile velocity of up to 3000 m / s. It was planned to make its artillery mount rising so that it could fire at targets from behind cover, but although this tank was built and tested, it was never accepted for service!


Light tank HSTV-L in action


A hypothetical tank with a lifting turret on the chassis of a Sheridan light tank with a Shillela guided missile launcher. The project seems to be much more realistic than the HSTV-L tank. In any case, at a military parade on Red Square, and even with a tower rising during movement, a tank of this type would look exceptionally good (and making it operational, by the way, is not difficult!), And he would have forced foreign military attachés to smash their heads! And no matter what shocking reports they would send to their MO ...


Launching a Shillela rocket from a Sheridan tank launcher

Work on such machines was carried out, for example, in Poland, where they were very much afraid and fearful of Russian tanks. The Czechs and Serbs also had projects. But no money was found for their implementation. Finally, an ATGM with a lifting module was also developed in China, but it did not come to serial production there either. However, one of the reasons, perhaps, is that anti-tank missiles today have already learned to bend around obstacles - you just have to raise the guidance system higher. Therefore, there is no particular need for "giraffes". Well, the military still doesn't like the complexity of such installations, with their low versatility.


A hypothetical "city tank" with a low-impulse large-caliber cannon and a powerful recoil damping system. In the rear of the tank, in an armored box with loopholes, infantrymen are located, providing its protection from enemy fighters with anti-tank hand grenade launchers

PS Color illustrations by A. Sheps.
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  1. +7
    30 November 2021 18: 08
    Olegovych! Surprised! good
    1. +8
      30 November 2021 18: 39
      Join.
      Bravo, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      I have not even heard of the forerunners of today's "telescopes".
      1. +8
        30 November 2021 19: 21
        I am glad that I managed to give you new information.
      2. +7
        30 November 2021 20: 15
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I have not even heard of the forerunners of today's "telescopes".

        Information about "telescopic" turrets-PU with ATGMs NOT and similar projects was published at the end of the last century in the journal "Foreign Military Review"! About "praying mantis" usually talked about in magazines that posted on their pages "tank series" ... such as "Technology-Youth", "Science and Technology" .... By the way, under the impression of these "materials." Then I opened up " creative enthusiasm "and I" gave out on the mountain "several" projects "in a similar style! Including there was an armored vehicle with a UAV tethered helicopter tower ...
        1. +7
          30 November 2021 20: 27
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Including there was an armored vehicle with a UAV tethered helicopter tower ...

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. +3
            30 November 2021 21: 19
            Quote: kalibr
            Including there was an armored vehicle with a UAV tethered helicopter tower ...

            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Well I say ... there was a lot of enthusiasm! fellow By the way, the tower was not a "replacement" for the tank ...! Yes It was a self-propelled ATGM ... feel
            1. +3
              30 November 2021 21: 20
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              It was a self-propelled ATGM ..

              Got it right away. Ideas are in the air.
    2. +6
      30 November 2021 19: 15
      The student of TRIZ answered the question - what is an ATGM + crane + giraffe.
      There was another interesting American project of the fifties - the Falcon (Falcon) tank with a flying tower. He combined the advantages of a helicopter and a tank with a raised turret.
      Today there are Israeli robotic machine gun towers "Sentry Tech" on the border with the Gaza Strip.
      Of course a plus for an article in all respects suitable for VO.
      1. +5
        30 November 2021 19: 19
        Under good articles and comments, interesting and informative, I always study with pleasure, it happens and I reread it more than once hi
    3. +1
      30 November 2021 23: 12
      But I forgot about the Swedes with their rising tanks. But they were serially built ...
  2. +9
    30 November 2021 18: 23
    "Tank-giraffe" by engineer John

    ... yeah, that's who the prototype of the hero of the film was

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  3. +5
    30 November 2021 18: 31
    Human fantasy knows no barriers.
  4. +9
    30 November 2021 18: 37
    So, the maximum height of the warhead of the "Praying Mantis" was 3,48 meters.


    British tank destroyer FV4005 Stage 2 or "Centaur". Height - 3,6 meters, armament - gun QF 183 mm (7.2 in) L4. And you don't need to lift anything anywhere.
    1. 0
      2 December 2021 12: 02
      It is very similar to the KV-2. :)
  5. +10
    30 November 2021 18: 43
    The idea is interesting, but as always when solving technical problems, when solving one problem, it creates new ones. And if the new ones are less significant than the old one, everything is fine, but on the contrary, it means that nothing will come of it. When implementing systems for raising weapons, a lot of problems immediately arise: complication (and, of course, the rise in the cost of the structure), problems with rollback and stability of the system when firing, vulnerability if the enemy is caught with his pants removed, sorry, with a raised tower, finally an increase in risk loss of a vehicle if the tower does not fold back due to breakdown or combat damage, difficulties with use in motion due to swinging.
    But in general, especially for self-propelled anti-tank systems and observation devices, the topic is promising. However, now, for example, the spread of the aforementioned drones is playing against it. But they are not a panacea. As long as the drones are effectively used against "wild" and / or poor opponents, all is well. And what will happen in the event of a collision with an army that has the strength and means of counteraction? For example, powerful artillery, missiles, aviation, and most importantly effective command and control and radio intelligence. There may be a situation where even a telephone or a walkie-talkie in the front-line zone cannot be turned on, since it will arrive in a minute or two. And the PU of the drone in general can become a priority target. And then you will have to rely on wire communication and such "towers", if you do not want to go out against such an enemy in full growth and with bare breasts.
    1. +9
      30 November 2021 19: 16
      Very good comment, thanks!
  6. +6
    30 November 2021 19: 07
    Today it is probably much easier to do it by attaching an ATGM and a separate observation camera to any crane and forward, cheaply angry.
  7. +8
    30 November 2021 19: 08
    Tank with a rising turret: project under the "Panzerkampfvagen 2000" program
    I wonder how they were going to extinguish the recoil? With that kind of leverage.
    1. +6
      30 November 2021 19: 18
      Quote: abrakadabre
      I wonder how they were going to extinguish the recoil?

      This was also very interesting to me. But I found only this information, alas.
      1. +11
        30 November 2021 20: 22
        An interesting question .. This was the first thing I thought about .. There is nothing wrong with the idea as such - it's like with a gun, which can fire because of the fire. I think that here the dog rummaged - just because of the problems with recoil, which could break the lifting system of the turret with a cannon, that's all remained at the project level. But machine guns, ATGMs are feasible and already in the metal. You have a project of a V.F. There is Lentovsky, which he proposed at 43, so there he had two options - with one and two towers as in the photo, and so: the project got to the GABTU in early February 1943, a negative answer followed in July. As disadvantages, it was noted that "the telescopic device will not be rigid enough for aimed shooting, additional anti-recoil devices will greatly increase the weight of the structure, and the tower will not be possible to push on ascents, descents and rolls."
  8. +6
    30 November 2021 19: 10
    Interestingly, Chrysanthemum also refers to giraffes or so, giraffe?
    1. +4
      30 November 2021 19: 20
      About her at VO was in my material about "missile tanks", so I did not repeat myself.
  9. +3
    30 November 2021 19: 20
    "Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have
    Prepare an enlightened spirit,
    And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
    And a genius, a friend of paradoxes. "A.S. Pushkin.
    "Obvious-incredible"
    1. +10
      30 November 2021 19: 31
      Quote: bandabas
      And a genius, a friend of paradoxes. "

      And chance is God the inventor!
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 19: 45
        And what has God or gods to do with it? It was just that there was a good scientific and analytical program on Soviet TV.
        1. +8
          30 November 2021 20: 14
          Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
          Prepare an enlightened spirit,
          And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
          And genius, the paradoxes friend
          And the case, god is the inventor.
          Just like that at Pushkin ...
          1. -1
            2 December 2021 16: 19
            From Pushkin. Winged phrases. What's the sarcasm?
            1. 0
              2 December 2021 17: 04
              Why is sarcasm necessary? I gave the full text of this poem, that's all. Why look for some kind of nonsense in everything?
  10. +6
    30 November 2021 20: 07
    Thanks to the author, informative good I have not heard or read about such tanks - ,, giraffes ,, recourse
  11. +4
    30 November 2021 20: 19
    The project of a tank with a rising turret was born in the USSR during the war.
    Such a project can only be born in the "Skillful Hands" circle of schoolchildren who have not yet completed physics. They can compose such projects.
    1. +4
      30 November 2021 20: 30
      Quote: Aviator_
      Such a project can only be born in the "Skillful Hands" circle of schoolchildren who have not yet completed physics. They can compose such projects.

      Not only! Even more crazy projects came to Stalin from military engineers-colonels, battalion commissars, political commissars, J.Ya. Kotin also noted projects of monster tanks That they probably shouldn't have proposed such projects.
      1. +1
        30 November 2021 20: 42
        I would like to learn more about Kotin. Have material?
        1. +6
          30 November 2021 21: 07
          I would like to learn more about Kotin. Have material?

          Look for publications on KV-4, KV-5, and Object 705.
          1. +2
            1 December 2021 08: 31
            Good morning Victor! hi
            For "object 705" I found only pictures from a tank toy, but somehow there is no trust in this.


            Especially in the image with the "Ferdinand" chassis.
            1. +3
              1 December 2021 10: 32
              "Object 705" did not leave the stage of the project, it is not in the metal.
        2. +2
          30 November 2021 21: 12
          https://topwar.ru/page,1,2,91865-kirovskie-monstry.html
          But that's not all. Somewhere there must be material about super-heavy cars, for which he announced a competition at his design bureau. Particularly impressive is the Shashmurin tank - 107 cannon in a casemate and a KV-1 turret on the hull. Weight under 100 tons. And no one told them that in the USSR there are no bridges over which he would have passed ... At the end of the article there is a link to two books. About the tanks of the Kirov plant - there it is in detail. By the way, these same "engineers" put on the HF a transmission from an American agricultural tractor ... I don't remember the brand, but then it turned out. Unsurprisingly, its flotation was poor; it simply wasn't designed for such a weight.
          1. +2
            30 November 2021 21: 18
            And here's the funny thing: It is interesting that, as one of the designers of the Kirov plant F. Korobkov wrote, their chief designer Zh.Ya. Kotin "... in addition to the tactical and technical parameters, attached great importance to the aesthetic side of the tank, and this manifested itself in the creation of all subsequent models ..." [2,125].
            1. +1
              30 November 2021 22: 22
              Well, he is still far from the gloomy German genius Porsche (tank "Mouse" -190 t).
              1. +1
                1 December 2021 12: 15
                Quote: Aviator_
                Well, he is still far from the gloomy German genius Porsche (tank "Mouse" -190 t).

                The difference is 10 tons. Between the tank Shashmurin and Porsche ...
                1. 0
                  1 December 2021 19: 40
                  Particularly impressive is the Shashmurin tank - 107 cannon in a casemate and a KV-1 turret on the hull. Weight under 100 tons.
                  Mouse - 190 t. The difference is 90 t.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2021 19: 50
                    That's right, I wanted to write one thing, got distracted and wrote another. I was very lucky in my time. The group of authors Popov group of companies. Kirovsky Zavod hired me to edit their book. Well, in gratitude, I got access to the blueprints of all these monstrous tanks. There were so many things. Sheps is tired of drawing their projects ... But the weight everywhere is more than 100 tons, so, alas, the stupidity of everyone, both military and designers, is obvious. However, this is not stupidity. The time was such that it was better to make a tank of 100 tons in the wild than to cut wood in the Kolyma.
            2. +2
              30 November 2021 22: 50
              J. Ya. Kotin "... in addition to the tactical and technical parameters, attached great importance to the aesthetic side of the tank, and this manifested itself in the creation of all subsequent models ..."

              “Only beautiful planes fly well,” said Andrey Tupolev.
              I think our designers were right ...
              1. -1
                1 December 2021 12: 13
                Quote: Dude
                I think our designers were right ...

                We are talking about tanks. You will say that the break of the KV armor is "more beautiful" than the straight sheet of the T-34? Or is this arrangement of armor plates stronger?
                1. 0
                  1 December 2021 13: 07
                  As for me, both the T-34 and the KV-1 - both make a pleasant aesthetic impression.
                  And the IS-3 is, in general, a handsome man wink
                  1. +3
                    1 December 2021 16: 42
                    The IS-3 is beautiful because it is functional, the T-34 is beautiful because it has an optimal front armor plate inclination of 45 degrees. Compare with Sherman: he has 52 degrees and already looks bad - not optimal. But the nose of the KV-1 is also not optimal. There is a corner and two legs, which should be replaced with one plate - a hypotenuse. Modeled on the T-34. The tilt angle would come out less like Sherman's. But it was technologically advanced (the volume of welding is less than half), cheaper, and more profitable. Aesthetics has nothing to do with it!
          2. +3
            1 December 2021 10: 58
            Quote: kalibr
            By the way, these same "engineers" put on the HF a transmission from an American agricultural tractor ... I don't remember the brand, but then it turned out. Unsurprisingly, its flotation was poor; it simply wasn't designed for such a weight.

            With the mass of KV, LKZ missed in two places - both the chassis and the transmission were designed for 40 tons. And already the first sample has grown to 43 tons. Serial cars with their 47,5 tons suffered massively from damage to the gearbox, suspension and brakes due to the off-design load.
            It's good that the engine engineers also missed the cooling system, so the tank could not crawl faster than 24 km / h. smile
  12. +1
    1 December 2021 07: 50
    Back in the distant Soviet times, I had the opportunity to read a very interesting book by B.L. Zlotin and A.V. Zusman "A month under the stars of fantasy", from which I first learned about TRIZ - the theory of inventive problem solving

    I have this book and not only it. At one time, I took a 2-week course on TRIZ and ARIZ with a break from production.
    There is an interesting article on engineering intuition.
    https://bukren.my1.ru/publ/krenev/engineering_intuition_1/4-1-0-13
    For those who are interested in this topic I can offer a list of references.
    1.G.S. Altshuller. "How to Learn to Invent", Tambov Book Publishing House, 1961.
    2.G.S. Altshuller. "Fundamentals of Invention", Voronezh, Central Black Earth Book Publishing House, 1964.
    3.G.S. Altshuller. "Algorithm of invention", M, Moscow worker, 1973.
    4.G.S. Altshuller. "Creativity as an Exact Science", Moscow, Soviet Radio, 1979.
    5.G.S. Altshuller, A.B. Selyutsky. "Wings for Icarus", Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1980.
    6. A. Selyutsky, G. Slugin. "Inspiration on demand", Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1977.
    7. G. Altov "And then the inventor appeared", M, Children's Literature, 1984, 2nd edition 1987, 3rd edition additional 1989.
    8.G.S. Altshuller, B.L. Zlotin and V.I. Filatov. "Profession-search for something new", Chisinau, Kartya Moldoveneaske, 1985.
    9.G.S. Altshuller. "Find an Idea", Novosibirsk, Nauka, 1986.
    10. G.I. Ivanov. "And start inventing", Irkutsk, East Siberian book publishing house, 1987.
    11. N.T. Petrovich, V.M. Tsurikov. "The path to invention", M, Young Guard, 1986.
    12. "Daring formulas of creativity", series "Technology-youth-creativity", compiled by A.B. Selyutsky, Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1987.
    13. "Thread in the labyrinth", series "Technology-youth-creativity", compiled by A.B. Selyutsky, Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1988.
    14. "Rules of the game without rules", series "Technique-youth-creativity", compiled by A.B. Selyutsky, Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1989.
    15. B.L. A. V. Zlotin Zusman. "A month under the stars of fantasy", Chisinau, Lumina, 1988.
    16. B.L. A. V. Zlotin Zusman. "The inventor came to the lesson", Chisinau, Lumina, 1990.
    17.G.S. Altshuller, B.L. A. V. Zlotin Zusman and V.I. Filatov "Search for new ideas: from insight to technology (Theory and practice of solving inventive problems), Chisinau, Kartya Moldoveneaske, 1989.
    18. Yu.P. Salamatov. "How to become an inventor", M, Enlightenment, 1989.
    19. G.I. Ivanov. "And start to invent", 2nd edition, Irkutsk, East Siberian book publishing house, 1990.
    20. "How to become a heretic", series "Technology-youth-creativity", compiled by A.B. Selyutsky, Petrozavodsk, Karelia, 1990.
    21.G.S. Altshuller. "Find an Idea", 2nd edition, Novosibirsk, Science, 1991.
    22.G.S. Altshuller, I.M. Vertkin. "Do not be afraid of storms! (Life strategy of a creative personality)", series "Strategy of creativity", Novosibirsk, Novosibirsk University Publishing House, 1991.
  13. +3
    1 December 2021 08: 01
    There was a note in the old ZVO. German ATGM installation on a lift. There is an article about "giraffes" in military equipment
    http://alternathistory.com/tank-zhiraf-nemetskaya-smekalka-protiv-sovetskoj-tehniki/
    This installation is there.
  14. 0
    1 December 2021 22: 47
    Projects not burdened with established traditions.
  15. 0
    16 February 2022 19: 07
    If they had left the driver in the hull in the normal sitting "form" on the "Mantis", and only the observer would have been raised, also sitting behind the machine gun - it would have been more viable.