BTT projects: one more amazing than the other

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“The man who received his sight answered them:
it’s surprising that you don’t know
where is He from, and He opened my eyes. "
Gospel of John 9:30

History armored vehicles. Today we will again become like a biblical man and again go to our tank freak show - look at the unusual designs of these combat vehicles. Last time we stopped at the 30s of the last century. Today we will also start our excursion from this time.

"We were born to make a fairy tale come true!" - they sang in the USSR in those years, and it really seemed to many that the people “liberated” from the former exploitation were capable of this. Collective farmers and students expelled for academic failure, Red Army men and ... military engineers, literally in batches offered their "inventions" to the competent authorities, and those ... just as massively refused them due to the complete fantasy and unrealizability of their projects.



But some were very lucky, although for the time being. So, pilot Pavel Grokhovsky became the chief and chief designer of the Special Design Production Bureau of the Air Force of the Red Army (1932-1934), and then the chief and chief designer of the Experimental Institute of the People's Commissariat of Heavy Industry for Arms of the Red Army (until 1937).

There he and his employees didn’t invent anything ... However, it all ended very badly for him: on November 5, 1942, he was arrested. By a special meeting at the NKVD he was sentenced to death and on May 29, 1943, he was shot at the Kommunarka shooting range. True, then he was rehabilitated in 1957. His wife, the first Soviet paratrooper-paratrooper, survived, spent many years behind barbed wire.


Here is one of his developments: a twin-engined hovercraft armored car! It is clear (just look at it) that this design is completely inoperable. Fortunately, they did not try to translate it into metal!


The project of a tank by Grokhovsky with a fan propeller on skis! That is, for the first time in history, a purely winter tank was proposed, capable of operating in deep snow. Original, but very specific and costly.


The project of a boat on an air cushion V.I. Levkova

But the hovercraft V.I. Levkov was more fortunate, and Levkov himself died of a stroke, and not of a bullet in the back of the head. He created a whole series of boats L-1, L-2 ... L-13 - only 15 machines, which developed a phenomenal speed of 130 km / h on the water and could carry torpedo weapons. True, the war did not allow them to be brought to mind, and there was simply nowhere to use them. But they were, and here it is our country that has an unconditional priority!

The fight against mines, starting with the First World War, became more and more urgent and turned into a serious problem when the Second World War had already begun. Special land minesweepers were required, and it was decided to use tanks as them. But the designs of the mine trawls hung on them were very different. And the Germans did create a huge three-wheeled armored trawl with machine-gun armament in the tower.


Tank minesweeper T10

The Americans took a different path. Instead of attaching large "mortar" wheels to a new chassis, they put them on the Sherman M1944A4 tank in 2! The result was a machine capable of paving a wide "road" free of mines. The minesweeper tank received the designation T10 and was tested at the Aberdeen proving ground, but it was not adopted for service due to the very large size and metal consumption of the structure. In addition, due to its large weight, it buried itself when moving on soft ground, and even its speed was too low. In this regard, minesweeping tanks with striking trawls turned out to be much more profitable.


Tank minesweeper T10. Photo from the Aberdeen Proving Ground


The dimensions of the car (there is a person next to it for scale), of course, are impressive!

Even in the pre-war years, tanks began to be equipped with two guns in one turret. But this layout did not take root, but in the 70s of the last century, an original reckless tank with two guns in the VT1 hull appeared in Germany. It was planned to replace the tank "Leopard-2" with it, therefore it is sometimes called "Leopard-3" and this machine turned out to be so unusual that it belongs in our tank freak show!


"Leopard-3" VT1-1 on the chassis of the MBT-70 prototype tank

In total, two tanks were manufactured: VT1-1 and VT1-2. They differed not only in the type of guns (rifled 105-mm and smooth-bore 120-mm, respectively), but also in engines. The VT1-1 had both automatic loaders, while the VT1-2 had only one automatic loader. The aiming lines of both barrels crossed at a distance of 1 meters.

The machines accurately hit the target, firing from stops, however, firing from two guns in one volley was prohibited due to the too strong recoil. But the barrel of one gun after the shot was displaced from the aiming line along with the tank after each shot, and it was necessary to aim again, which was inconvenient. The result was a seemingly good and low (80 cm lower than the serial Leopard!) Vehicle, which was classified as an ACS, but ... which was presented as a tank.


"Leopard-3" GVT on a new chassis

As a result, in 1976, tests of both machines were stopped due to their complete futility, but in the 1980s they returned to the Leopard-3 project again, believing that the Leopard 2 should be replaced with something completely new. However, a new version of the vehicle with guns close to the central axis - GVT, was unsuccessful and was not adopted for service. Now, if both guns had automatic loaders, could aim at one target and fire a volley fire at it, then it could still be at least "something." But only the price of such a machine would be too high, and it itself would have a very specific purpose.

In general, projects of too specific combat vehicles usually turn out to be unviable.


For example, here is a hypothetical view of an air-cushion infantry fighting vehicle, which at one time was very fashionable to offer and consider. You can build such a car! And on the water during the landing, it will operate with greater efficiency than a conventional amphibious infantry fighting vehicle. But ... on land, it will not have any advantages over a conventional machine. Only the extra weight will have to be carried on yourself. Well, extra traction will help if the car suddenly gets stuck in a swamp. That is, "the game is not worth the candle."


Fighting vehicle EFV. It has an extremely high speed on the water (up to 46 km / h) and can be disembarked from a landing craft not three to five kilometers from the coast, but “over the horizon”. Armament - 30-mm autocannon and a machine gun in the tower.

Well, this car was even built. It was tested and planned to be adopted by the US Marine Corps.


Outwardly, a very "impressive car"!

But on January 6, 2011, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates proposed to close this extremely ambitious project in order to save budget funds, on which more than $ 2,9 billion had been spent by that time. As a result, the US Marine Corps refused to acquire the EFV, and instead continues to use the modernized AAV7A1 armored personnel carriers and will use them at least until 2025.


She's afloat - look how she rushes!

In fact, the idea of ​​high-speed delivery of armored vehicles to enemy territory was sick not only in the United States, but in our country too.

There was "Project 80" - high-speed delivery of tanks across the Black Sea on hydrofoil boats. Attaching the tank to the pontoon boats before going out on the water took only 45 minutes, but the tank could get rid of them and go ashore in just 3 minutes. And this despite the fact that he was moving along the sea at a speed of more than 50 km / h. The only trouble was that excitement with a force of more than three points was contraindicated for this coupling, and such an almost calm weather at sea, including Black, is extremely rare. So what do you want? Sit the landing units and “wait for the weather by the sea”? That is, it was weaponthat could be built, but definitely impossible to apply!


Tank-carrier boat "project 80". Side view

BTT projects: one more amazing than the other
And this is how "it" looked from the front!

On the "Voennoye Obozreniye" there was a very detailed article, which understood all the pros and cons of this project. And in the end there were more minuses than pluses! So the project was closed in 1971, but one of the boats, without wings, of course, is in Kubinka, in the tank museum. Nevertheless, for our freak show of amazing tanks, this project is just the right thing!

PS


The author and the site administration are grateful to A. Sheps for the color illustrations provided by him.
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  1. +11
    26 November 2021 06: 20
    Return the minus to the articles !!!
    1. +1
      26 November 2021 07: 30
      Quote: datura23
      Return the minus to the articles !!!

      And what, well, an article and an article. There is enough nonsense, but there are also pluses.
    2. 0
      26 November 2021 08: 09
      Well, they returned it, so what? You write a minus and ... what's next? Do you think this will change anything? What matters is not the pluses and minuses, but ... the clicks that you put in both cases. The more there are not, the better!
  2. +3
    26 November 2021 06: 29
    a car that was classified as an ACS, but ... which was presented as a tank.
    The Strv-103 was also considered a tank, and nothing, no dots.

    Here is one of his developments: a twin-engined hovercraft armored car! It is clear (just look at it) that this design is completely inoperable.
    An armored car means inoperative, and an BMP means
    Build ... you can! And on the water during the landing, it will operate with greater efficiency than a conventional amphibious infantry fighting vehicle.

    Where is the sequence?
    The BA wasn’t built because there wasn’t really a floating armored vehicle, what would also be a miracle to tinker with.
    1. -5
      26 November 2021 06: 59
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      An armored car means inoperative, and an BMP means

      Imagine! The lack of a stabilization system in the first case makes the structure inoperative. In the second, using the car on the water allows you to apply the effect of blowing air under the body, which will increase the speed of movement on the water. So much for the sequence. In addition, you are clearly standing up for the enemy of the people. Ay-ay!
      1. +2
        26 November 2021 07: 23
        Quote: kalibr
        The lack of a stabilization system in the first case makes the structure inoperative.
        What kind of stabilization? Even with this scheme, the wheels will be protected from lateral displacement. There is no flexible fencing, yes, but this is just a diagram.
        Quote: kalibr
        In the second, using the car on the water allows you to apply the effect of blowing air under the body, which will increase the speed of movement on the water. So much for the sequence.
        What are you, and what do you think is the air blowing at BA Grokhovsky?
        1. -2
          26 November 2021 08: 07
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          There is no flexible fencing, yes, but this is just a diagram.

          A-a-a, well, yes! And where are not "simple schemes" here? Everything is simple!
      2. +2
        26 November 2021 11: 11
        Quote: kalibr
        The lack of a stabilization system in the first case makes the structure inoperative.

        And everything else is completely unimportant, since it lends itself to correction without problems. The main problem with air cushion machines, like all kinds of fan motors, is their low energy efficiency. According to my memory, in the 30-40s of the last century, such devices spent about 6 times more fuel on overcoming a kilometer of track than on classical propulsion devices.
        Therefore, the development of such devices, taking into account the fact that the efficiency of the propulsion device is known, was definitely a waste of folk remedies, a sabotage. So yes, enemy of the people, no options.
    2. -1
      26 November 2021 07: 01
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      there was no floating BTT

      There were many. Both BA and tanks. Everything was.
      1. +2
        26 November 2021 07: 28
        Quote: kalibr
        There were many. Both BA and tanks. Everything was.

        Which ones? The T-37, which was more dangerous for the crew, was the T-38, which hardly crawled ashore, or the T-40 without a radio, of which there were about 300 pieces. released? So there was no floating BTT before and during the war, and an air-cushion BA, which was technically quite possible, was not needed in practice, not at such a price.
        1. 0
          26 November 2021 07: 54
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The T-37, which was more dangerous for the crew, was the T-38, which crawled ashore with difficulty, or the T-40 without a radio, of which there were about 300 pieces. released?

          You write in a strange way. As if it was I who developed and adopted them. And with difficulty, without difficulty ... - they were. So ... don't cling ...
          1. +2
            26 November 2021 08: 00
            Quote: kalibr
            You write in a strange way.

            I wrote that floating BTT really was not and confirmed it, that's all. hi
            1. +3
              26 November 2021 08: 25
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              plainly

              Well, if the main thing is that "really" and that the T-40 did not have a walkie-talkie, then yes, you are certainly right. Sorry, I didn't think about the criticality of these factors.
    3. +1
      26 November 2021 11: 06
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Where is the sequence?

      Do not demand from Mr. Shpakovsky, consistency, logic and other things. What he does not have in sight, he cannot give you. I dug up the facts, set out the topic more or less smoothly - thanks already. Thinking and drawing conclusions is all yours. Well, neighing over copyright pearls is also always pleasant. The right person, Mr. Shpakovsky, this cannot be taken away)
      1. -1
        26 November 2021 11: 13
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Thinking and drawing conclusions is all yours.

        Exactly. In the struggle you will acquire your right, in meditation you will temper your mind!
        1. +1
          5 December 2021 23: 16
          Quote: kalibr
          In the fight you will find your right

          Yes, you are a Socialist-Revolutionary ???? !!!!!
          1. 0
            6 December 2021 07: 13
            Quote: your1970
            Are you a Socialist-Revolutionary?

            Not everyone knows that this is a Socialist-Revolutionary slogan. You + for erudition. And what about the one who ... To paraphrase Mayakovsky: with the SRs, the SR, with the communists - a communist. When you know the programs and slogans you can be anyone.
  3. +7
    26 November 2021 06: 46
    Good morning friends! hi
    Olegych, thank you, continue the series further.
    ... but the VT1-2 had only one autoloader.

    That's for sure? What's the point? Well, the twists and turns of design thought! bully
    "Leopard-3" VT1-1 on the chassis of the MBT-70 prototype tank

    MBT-70 (acre. Main Battle Tank [for the] 1970s; German KPz 70 from English - "main battle tank for the 1970s") is a joint American-West German project to create a promising main battle tank for arming the armies of both states ... It did not go into production and was not adopted for service.

    continues to use the upgraded AAV7A1 armored personnel carriers and will use them at least until 2025.


    Well, a purely floating barn, but how many years it has served!
    1. +1
      26 November 2021 06: 55
      Quote: Sea Cat
      That's for sure? What's the point? Well, the twists and turns of design thought!

      That's for sure. But it's not a whirlwind. It is simply not successful to make an automatic loader in a mirror version. It turned out not so easy.
      1. +2
        26 November 2021 06: 57
        M-yes ... there are difficulties in life ... request
  4. +9
    26 November 2021 07: 25
    The article is interesting, the only thing that strains the respected author, as usual, is the contemptuous attitude towards the Soviet past.
    "and it really seemed to many that the people" liberated "from the former exploitation were capable of such things."
    Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich, exactly liberated, without quotes, and exactly capable.
    And your extremely "sour" attitude to this does not negate the fact that it was in the Union that you received a higher education and took place as a person. And do not fantasize about the topic that "in Russia, which we have lost," you personally would have achieved more .. Most likely, the workers would have worked hard at the manufactory, working off the mortgage. If that Russia had survived the Second World War at all, that is extremely unlikely.
    1. +6
      26 November 2021 07: 40
      that it was in the Union that you received higher education

      What kind of education, such is the article. However, the article has nothing to do with the specialty received at the institute.
      1. -8
        26 November 2021 08: 26
        Quote: Aviator_
        the specialty received at the institute

        Sergey! It’s time to stop remembering pedigree education, eh? You would still remember the school ...
        1. +4
          26 November 2021 17: 53
          It’s time to stop remembering pedigree education, eh? You would still remember the school ...

          Well, personally, I have no complaints about my school. And to MIPT too. As for "Pedyushnikov" - because there, too, different people studied, as I wrote above, there are no complaints about my teachers, and they all finished pedagogy.
          1. -1
            26 November 2021 20: 25
            You are in luck, Andrey! But I was also "lucky" - I saw a drunken professor at the department, who asked the following question to a student: "What ... akinak ..." Student: "crooked sword" ... Professor : "You yourself are crooked akinak!" And the girl who refused to answer said; "A patrolled fool". Drive him out, huh? But an honored scientist, researcher. Ph.D. And in 1972 they, especially in Penza, were piece goods. I had to endure and re-educate.
            1. +1
              26 November 2021 20: 28
              Drive him out, huh? But an honored scientist, researcher. Ph.D.

              It's clear. Was the quality of his "research" the same? And where was the rector looking? Or was that he?
    2. -8
      26 November 2021 08: 16
      Quote: Turist1996
      Most likely, they would have worked hard at the manufactory, working off the mortgage.

      I do not think. My great-grandfather is a master of locomotive workshops, all children received higher education. Grandfather was an inspector of public schools, his brother Peter taught mathematics at the gymnasium, his sister Olga - French at the women's gymnasium. So I would have finished my studies at the gymnasium anyway, but after the gymnasium I was admitted to university without exams. So ... don't even dream, send me to the manufactory. But the result of "liberation" is important. Is not it? And it is such that the "liberated, without quotation marks, people" proved to be unable to defend either their social system or their statehood. Is not it? Or have I come up with something?
      1. +6
        26 November 2021 08: 33
        But the result of "liberation" is important. Is not it? And it is such that the “liberated, without quotation marks, people” was unable to defend either their social system or their statehood. Is not it? Or have I come up with something?

        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are a candidate of historical sciences! This means that the understanding of the historical process and the level of argumentation must be appropriate.
        And the one that you gave is at the level of eighty percent in Pareto.
        1. 0
          26 November 2021 08: 46
          Quote: Undecim
          And the one that you brought is at the level of eighty percent in Pareto

          ... Spanish with God, French - with friends, German - with the enemy, Italian - to speak decently with women.
          1. +4
            26 November 2021 08: 55
            No, it doesn't fit. Your answer does not explain why the people of the Russian Empire did not defend their statehood, the monarch, or the social order.
            Can be in French or German. Don't use Spanish.
            1. +3
              26 November 2021 09: 10
              Quote: Undecim
              why the people of the Russian Empire did not defend either the statehood, or the monarch, or the social order.

              And he bothered him nafig! I wanted something else ...
            2. +5
              26 November 2021 11: 44
              Quote: Undecim
              No, it doesn't fit. Your answer does not explain why the people of the Russian Empire did not defend their statehood, the monarch, or the social order.
              Can be in French or German. Don't use Spanish.

              Good morning! hi
              The hereditary elites got them all. They lived in a parallel world with the people and at the expense of the people. At the first serious opportunity, they were dealt with.
              1. +2
                26 November 2021 11: 48
                The hereditary elites got them all. Lived in a parallel world with the people

                Maybe I'm wrong, but such an alignment is traditional for Russia.
                1. +2
                  26 November 2021 11: 51
                  Perhaps, but it all depends on the quality of life of the bulk of the population. When it fell sharply, troubles began,))
                  1. +1
                    26 November 2021 11: 54
                    it all depends on the quality of life of the bulk of the population

                    At present, it is enough to simply convince the population that their quality of life is declining. So far, propaganda is trying in the opposite direction, but this is a double-edged weapon.
                    1. +3
                      26 November 2021 13: 05
                      It's one thing when you can't buy yourself an iPhone, it's another thing when you have interruptions in bread))
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2021 15: 56
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        It's one thing when you can't buy yourself an iPhone, it's another thing when you have interruptions in bread))

                        Another statement worthy of a granite slab!
                      2. +2
                        26 November 2021 16: 20
                        I am a monument to myself ... laughing
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    1. +1
      26 November 2021 08: 48
      Quote: Lynx2000
      So the skirts on one SVP were tore against the stones and the remains of the silted hull of the river tug.

      This is just their biggest drawback!
    2. +1
      26 November 2021 08: 48
      Quote: Lynx2000
      tests for detonation when colliding were carried out, did not the mechanic drive receive a concussion?

      I don’t know, I haven’t read about it anywhere.
  6. +2
    26 November 2021 09: 26
    As a result, the US Marine Corps refused to acquire the EFV, and instead continues to use the modernized AAV7A1 armored personnel carriers and will use them at least until 2025.
    But the Chinese "finished" this project to production samples ZBD05 \ 2000


    1. +1
      26 November 2021 12: 15
      And what's the point of finishing it if the amers have an engine of 1500 hp and a speed on the water under 50 km / h, while the Chinese have 750 and 25, respectively. What kind of over-the-horizon landing ...
      1. +1
        26 November 2021 12: 36
        Quote: Xenofont
        the Chinese have 750 and 25 respectively.

        40 km per hour on the water ...
        Quote: Xenofont
        What kind of over-the-horizon landing ...

        The most common, they are now working out this option

        By the way, our Marines have a holiday today ... Everyone who wore a vest and a black beret of a Marine - HAPPY
        1. +1
          26 November 2021 12: 43
          I don't want to argue, but in most sources - 25
  7. +6
    26 November 2021 09: 44
    It's a pity, after all, that Grokhovsky's office was banged. The Institute for the Production of Crazy Ideas that Cannot be Hurriedly Chopped Can Be Useful. Every vegetable has its time.
    1. +1
      26 November 2021 11: 17
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Every vegetable has its own time.

      You may have read what Mikhail 3 wrote in the commentary on this: “Therefore, the development of such devices, given the fact that the efficiency of the propulsion unit is known, was definitely a waste of folk remedies, sabotage. So yes, enemy of the people, no options. ". And you "vegetable" ... He was an enemy, a saboteur, and got what he deserved!
    2. 0
      5 December 2021 23: 28
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      An institute for the production of crazy ideas that cannot be hacked in the heat of the moment can come in handy.

      And in modern times it would be called Skolkovo, but you would have shouted - "Yes, Chubais's count !!" ...
      The Grokhovsky Institute spent a lot of dough (including currency), resources and labor costs. What did it give at the end?
      That's right - NOTHING!!!!
      And there was no time to wait for the then Skolkovo to mature ...
  8. +8
    26 November 2021 09: 48
    I got the impression that there were a lot more "fancy" BTT projects than what is shown in the article.

    And the T-10, and EFV, and the Soviet "project 80" do not look completely impractical.

    This last project was a really interesting idea.



    Likewise, Levkov's torpedo boats For the first time I read about Levkov's torpedo boats in the mid-80s in the Modelist-Constructor in one of the articles from the Marine Collection series. Of course, the seaworthiness was low, but the G-5 boats also had a small seaworthiness.
    1. +8
      26 November 2021 11: 58
      So you can't fit everything into one article! At the end of the fifties, Soviet tank builders again returned to the idea of ​​creating an air cushion combat vehicle. As a result, several projects of promising technology were created, two of which reached the construction and testing of prototypes.
      At the test sites, "Object 8M-906" and "Object 760" were tested. The final practical chord of Soviet developments in creating an air cushion tank was the "Object 8M-906". The vehicle used the base of the PT-76 tank, was equipped with a chamber cushion and had a mass of 13,5 tons (0,5 tons less than the PT-76). Both the development itself and the tests were carried out in strict secrecy, so the details of the project are not available in open sources. Work on air-cushion tanks continued until the 1970s and were eventually discontinued. Excessive fuel consumption, structural vulnerability and poor maintainability of machines were singled out among the main reasons for this decision. Nevertheless, the accumulated results played an important role in the further development of military hovercraft for the Navy.
    2. +7
      26 November 2021 13: 43
      Quote: Constanty
      "Model constructor" in one of the articles from the series "Marine collection".

      Oh, MK was a treasure trove of information for us boys. I remember being fascinated by the name of the battleship Schleswig-Holstein and his sisterships in the MK Marine collection. This, for a minute, 1972th, I went to first grade ...
  9. +3
    26 November 2021 10: 27
    The Germans were inspired by ISU 152?
    1. -3
      26 November 2021 12: 46
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The Germans were inspired by ISU 152?

      and in what, in fact, did you see the signs of inspiration by St. John's wort?
      1. +1
        26 November 2021 12: 52
        Profile German SPG
        1. 0
          26 November 2021 13: 13
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Profile German SPG

          yes, at least in front, at least in profile

          no resemblance to talk about inspiration.
          and what for the Germans St. John's wort with their experience of (successful) design of self-propelled guns?
    2. 0
      26 November 2021 13: 31
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The Germans were inspired by ISU 152?

      with the same success, by the way, you can write that the designers of the "destroyer" T31 "were inspired by" KV-2 "(looking at the profile):

      Which, of course, is complete nonsense:
  10. BAI
    +3
    26 November 2021 10: 34
    Drawing of Leopard-3 is extremely unfortunate - the second cannon is not visible. By the way, under this name there is now a classic tank.
    1. +1
      26 November 2021 13: 33
      Quote: BAI
      Drawing of Leopard-3 is extremely unfortunate - the second cannon is not visible. By the way, under this name there is now a classic tank.

      totally agree. The entire two-gun cymes is lost.
  11. +5
    26 November 2021 11: 32
    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true!" - they sang in the USSR in those years, and it really seemed to many that the people “liberated” from the former exploitation were capable of this.

    "It seemed" in this case does not correspond to reality at all.
    In the Russian Empire, there was no small arms of its own design (we will not say anything about the Mosin rifle), no aircraft construction, no engine construction, no automotive industry, no ... et cetera ... et cetera ... et cetera. All this had to be created practically from scratch by the "people freed from the former exploitation." And as soon as the exploiters were "brought back," everything suddenly slowed down.
    1. +2
      26 November 2021 12: 46
      Oh, and the duty shift of turbopatriots with minuses pulled up. And I really thought - overslept.
      1. +2
        26 November 2021 15: 02
        Quote: Undecim
        Oh, and the duty shift of turbopatriots with minuses pulled up. And I really thought - overslept.

        Not everything is in the field.
        For ordinary people, the slow dying of the legendary Ulyanovsk automobile plant will be another milestone in parting with the Soviet legacy. And this is perhaps one of the saddest symbols of the future.
        .Well, they can’t give up the remnants of the bloody Soviet past, instead of joyfully and happily buying worn-out foreign cars. There is even KamAZ, which was built for public money, it is not clear from what hangover with
        15.11.2019/15/XNUMX Daimler AG transferred XNUMX% of the shares of KAMAZ PTC to Daimler Truck AG. Daimler Truck AG is controlled by Daimler AG.
        although if we recall the history of the creation of KamAZ, let's say so - the Daimler company somehow did not want to help the USSR with the development of the car.
      2. -2
        26 November 2021 15: 33
        Quote: Undecim
        Oh, and the duty shift of turbopatriots with minuses pulled up. And I really thought - overslept.

        But you are a communist doctor, aren't you? Here you go fellow
    2. +5
      26 November 2021 18: 06
      The Russian Empire did not have any small arms of its own design ...


      1. 0
        26 November 2021 18: 18
        Konstantin, do you really think that I have forgotten Fedorov? Only now, in service with the army, its development, with the exception of a drop in the form of machine guns, did not hit.
        1. +2
          26 November 2021 18: 25
          do you really think that I have forgotten Fedorov?


          My God, I just wanted to stick in. bully drinks
          1. +1
            26 November 2021 18: 29
            In fact, you are right, since I missed it "in service". I was even surprised that the comment passed by the patriotic Olgovichs and that they didn’t trample me, and only one "fighter of the invisible front" heroically minus in the sweat of his brow.
            1. +1
              26 November 2021 19: 00
              some kind of "fighter of the invisible front"

              For the time being, for the time being. bully
  12. +2
    26 November 2021 13: 21
    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true!" - sang in the USSR in those years, and it really seemed to many that "liberated" from the past exploitation the people are capable of this.
    And that the word freed in quotation marks did they take ?. I suspect that if then the people were not "freed from the former exploitation", you would hardly have written your articles, since you would hardly have been able to get a "scanty education" that you were given free of charge under Soviet Power.
    1. +2
      26 November 2021 16: 00
      The construction with one "would" is still good for somewhere, but with two it is overkill. As you love everything free, however, do not feed bread ...
      1. +5
        26 November 2021 16: 07
        How do you love everything free

        This is an international trait.
        1. +2
          26 November 2021 18: 10
          This is an international trait.


      2. +1
        26 November 2021 17: 01
        Quote: kalibr
        As you love everything free, however, do not feed bread ...

        So you didn’t seem to study for money, too, under Soviet rule, education for a freebie ...
        And if you are interested, then all the "free" that I have, I received in 32 years of impeccable service in accordance with the Law, and all my wishes from small and large I now have at my own expense, well, or acquire. Just in case. Of course, I received not a scanty education, in comparison with what the Soviet Power gave you, but I’m not complaining, though there are problems with punctuation, this is me and my class teacher, a teacher of the Russian language, told me. hi
        1. 0
          26 November 2021 20: 29
          Quote: Fitter65
          32 for years

          We are here with you, colleagues-time workers. Although, of course, it was harder for you. I hope that the Motherland appreciated your work with dignity.
  13. +3
    26 November 2021 13: 42
    There he and his employees didn’t invent anything ... However, it all ended very badly for him: on November 5, 1942, he was arrested. He was sentenced to death by a special meeting at the NKVD, and on May 29, 1943, he was shot at the Kommunarka shooting range. True, then he was rehabilitated in 1957. His wife, the first Soviet paratrooper-paratrooper, survived, spent many years behind barbed wire
    Indeed, they didn’t invent anything useless for millions of people's rubles. Judging by your extract from Wikipedia, you also do not have much material on this case. Although they could have clarified, since they mentioned what kind of a special meeting was, why it was needed, how many people and how it condemned. Or your business, as always, is to throw oats that have passed through the horse's digestive tract on a fan, a shovel, and there are no longer your problems.
    A special meeting at the NKVD of the USSR (OSO, Special meeting) - an administrative body at the NKVD of the USSR, and then at the MGB of the USSR, which existed from 1934 to 1953, which was granted an extrajudicial right to exile in relation to persons recognized by him as socially dangerous, and a correctional - labor camp and deportation from the USSR. During the Great Patriotic War (from October 17, 1941), by a resolution of the State Defense Committee, the Special Meeting was granted the right to impose appropriate punishment, including execution, in cases of counter-revolutionary crimes and especially dangerous crimes against the order of government of the USSR. After the end of the war, the maximum punishment by decision of the CCO was 25 years of imprisonment. In total, during its existence from November 5, 1934 to September 1, 1953, 442 people were sentenced by a special meeting, including 531 people to be shot, 10 to imprisonment. people, to exile and deportation (within the country) 101 people and to other measures of punishment (set off the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) 360 people.
    1. 0
      26 November 2021 16: 02
      Quote: Fitter65
      once mentioned what kind of a special meeting was, why it was needed, how many people and how it condemned.

      Why should I do this when there is always someone who will do it for me. And so it turned out.
      1. +2
        26 November 2021 17: 16
        Quote: kalibr
        Why should I do this when there is always someone who will do it for me. And so it turned out
        Of course, there will always be someone who will defend his country.
        1. -1
          26 November 2021 20: 41
          Quote: Fitter65
          who will defend their Country.

          Well, if you call it protection, then ... next time I will refer to you when I give the next figures from the archive. Or maybe you know about compulsory treatment, since you have already mentioned it. Write an objective article about this in defense of the Motherland from slander, eh? VO will gladly publish it, and you will again fulfill your duty as a defender !!!
  14. +3
    26 November 2021 13: 47
    But the hovercraft V.I. Levkov was more fortunate, and Levkov himself died of a stroke, and not of a bullet in the back of the head.
    This is a saboteur to the cause of modern denunciators of the bloody Soviet past ...
    .... He created a whole series of boats L-1, L-2 ... L-13 - only 15 machines, which developed a phenomenal speed of 130 km / h on the water and could carry torpedo armament. True, the war did not allow them to be brought to mind, and there was simply nowhere to use them. But they were, and here it is our country that has an unconditional priority!
    So after all, is it your country (?), Or the country of the "bloody Stalinist regime" belongs to this priority? At this point, let's either put on your pants or take off the cross!
    By the way, in a plus for Mr. Shpakovsky, at least here he publishes articles based on his books.

    Don't count it as an advertisement, it's me for R. Skomorokhov.
    1. 0
      26 November 2021 16: 04
      Quote: Fitter65
      Don't count it as an advertisement, it's me for R. Skomorokhov.

      I might not even count. But any "information block" on the "information field" ... counts towards who owns it. So thanks!
      1. -1
        26 November 2021 17: 18
        Quote: kalibr
        So thanks!

        Yes, thank you for the thank you, but better not from you. And then God forbid that someone reads what you thanked me, such a shame.
        1. -2
          26 November 2021 20: 31
          Quote: Fitter65
          And then God forbid that someone reads what you thanked me, such a shame.

          There is no way to be glad that you are easily communicating with one of the leading Russian online journalists, but no, it’s not so-ah-ah! But the Internet is so good that it is available to everyone and everything in it is visible. And you have to think before you write, not after. So thanks again for the ad. Although the entire circulation has long been sold out. Unless someone sells from their hands ...
          1. +1
            27 November 2021 02: 01
            Quote: kalibr
            Although the entire circulation has long been sold out.
            I'm glad for you, although to be honest, in some stores in Khabarovsk, at the beginning of summer, I saw this product. Well, as they say, there is probably a buyer for any product.
            Quote: kalibr
            I wouldn’t be glad that you are easily communicating with one of the leading Russian online journalists,
            Some other time, maybe I'll be glad, but most likely not.
  15. +3
    26 November 2021 14: 02
    however, it was not adopted for service, due to the very large size and metal consumption of the structure. In addition, due to its large weight, it buried itself when moving on soft ground, and even its speed was too low. In this regard, minesweeping tanks with striking trawls turned out to be much more profitable.

    This, as I understand it, is an unsuccessful attempt to develop "Aunt Jemima" T1E3M1

    and "Worm" T1E1?
  16. +2
    26 November 2021 15: 22
    "All sorts of tanks are important, different tanks are needed!" ... Didn't you like Grokhovsky's armored aerial vehicles? Duc, take for an inexpensive 02SS armored aerosani!

    By the way, not only boats are listed for Levkov, but also armored aerosleds ... on the same principle!
    And there is no need for us to poke the "Leopard-3" when we have a KV-7 with two guns!


    And we also had a walking one (in kind! bully ) DOT!
    [

    And we also had a SHT-1!
    Don't believe me? Duc look!
    1. +2
      26 November 2021 18: 22
      SHT-1 stands for "Sho Such"? bully I didn’t understand one thing, why in the video the green ones farted, but the gray ones didn’t. Is your anus pinched? wassat

      Hello Volodya! drinks
      1. 0
        26 November 2021 20: 10
        Hi, Kostya " hi I answer: I did not understand myself! It will be necessary to call the mental hospital (in the design bureau for the developers ...)! Yes And so .... on the Internet there are also "vidos" about SHT-1!
        1. +1
          27 November 2021 07: 59
          Well, theirs, there is nowhere to live and so merry. bully
  17. +3
    26 November 2021 19: 29
    Well written, but this political bias ruined everything. Moral - if you want to be a military historian - be objective.
    1. 0
      26 November 2021 20: 36
      Quote: Anton Boldakov
      Well written, but this political bias ruined everything.

      Oh really? And in my opinion, it only added sharpness and polemic fervor. And then what would people comment on, and so - look how many comments like "Yegor are you wrong." In essence, you need to know this to write. And then ... take and write "like that" and that's it. The zealous virtue of the author of the commentary is obvious. Am I wrong, Anton Nikolaevich?
  18. 0
    26 November 2021 22: 06
    For example, here is a hypothetical view of an air-cushion infantry fighting vehicle, which at one time was very fashionable to offer and consider. You can build such a car! And on the water during the landing, it will operate with greater efficiency than a conventional amphibious infantry fighting vehicle. But ... on land, it will not have any advantages over a conventional machine. Only the extra weight will have to be carried on yourself. Well, extra traction will help if the car suddenly gets stuck in a swamp. That is, "the game is not worth the candle."

    Thanks for your review. At the expense of the hovercraft - yes, this is a technical curiosity. A more correct system-engineering solution seems to be the use of high-speed air cushion barges, with a Hamilton water jet (not afraid of silt, sand and mud in shallow water; provides high maneuverability and traction). Such mobile platforms-carriers can quickly and maneuver overcome the most dangerous zone of the surf and plunge deep into the beach.
    Providing standard (!) Ground armored vehicles with immediate entry into battle from a solid platform. At the same time, the BTT is not burdened with unnecessary functions - buoyancy and excessive energy for movement in water or to create an air cushion (for which you inevitably have to pay, sacrificing armor protection in favor of increasing buoyancy. But all the same, such a "floating BTT" almost always turns out to be too slow-moving in water or gets bogged down in the wet sand of the beach, because the caterpillars are not wide enough).
    This does not mean that "protected transporters" do not need the ability to swim at all - it is very useful for slowly overcoming fords, small rivers, lakes, and very useful for use in flood rescue operations. But the ability to "somehow float" and the lightning-fast landing-assault "sea-land", in my opinion, are completely different things.
    Here it is appropriate to approach from the "UNIX way" standpoint - to combine narrowly specialized functions that do one thing well, and not create heavy, clumsy harvesters that more summarize the disadvantages of the heterogeneous parts that make up their composition than their individual advantages.
  19. -1
    27 November 2021 18: 21
    And why Mr. Shpakovsky, describing another "victim of Stalinist repressions" by Comrade Grokhovsky, did not remember another "victim" and colleague - V.I.Bekauri.
    It is even difficult to determine which of these two "geniuses" more "invented" absolutely insane projects.
    And why is there not a word about L.V. Kurchevsky, who, together with his curator M. Tukhachevsky, almost left the Red Army without artillery?
    The other day on VO there was a wonderful article by Mr. Shpakovsky about historical bras and panties. Please write about something like that. You are great at it.
    And don't touch the history of the USSR. Don't bother her.