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Will the Turkish HISAR-U Siper air defense system be able to compete with the S-400

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Will the Turkish HISAR-U Siper air defense system be able to compete with the S-400
Long Range Air and Missile Defense System - Siper, Image: www.aselsan.com.tr


At the beginning of November 2021, Turkey successfully tested the new HISAR-U anti-aircraft missile system, also known as Siper ("Zaslon"). Ismail Demir, head of the Turkish Defense Industry Department, spoke about the successful testing on November 6 on social networks.

The HISAR-U Siper air defense system being developed in Turkey is a long-range air defense missile defense system. According to Ismail Demir, after the necessary tests and tests, the new air defense system is planned to be introduced into the country's ground forces in 2023. Earlier in the Turkish press, there were more pessimistic forecasts, according to which prototype tests were to be completed in 2023–2025, and the launch of a new air defense system in mass production was planned to begin in 2025–2026.

SAM HISAR family


The new HISAR-U Siper anti-aircraft missile system is a continuation of the Turkish program of creating its own air defense systems, which began in 2007 and has been going on for 14 years. HISAR-U Siper will become the most modern and long-range SAM model in the HISAR range (from Turkish - "Fortress").

As part of this family, short-range air defense systems HISAR-A and medium-range air defense systems HISAR-O have also been created. Ballistic tests of missiles of these complexes began in Turkey in 2013 and 2014. At the same time, Turkey is already working on improved versions of these complexes, bearing the designation A + and O +, respectively. Over time, a complex should also appear that will occupy a niche between HISAR-O and HISAR-U.

The main work on the complexes is carried out by two of the largest Turkish defense companies: ASELSAN (general contractor) and Roketsan (developer of the complex missiles). In addition to them, the Tübitak SAGE company, which is responsible for the development of warheads and target guidance systems, has a significant weight in the project.


SAM short-range HISAR-A, photo: www.aselsan.com.tr

The short-range air defense missile system HISAR-A completed all the necessary tests by the beginning of 2021 and is fully ready to launch into mass production, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at the beginning of January. This complex is able to hit targets at a distance of up to 15 km and at an altitude of up to 8 km. At the same time, the HISAR-A air defense system is able to track up to 6 air targets simultaneously.

The HISAR-O medium-range air defense system is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 25 km and an altitude of up to 10 km. The detection range of combat aircraft by this complex is 40-60 km, at the same time the complex is able to track up to 60 air targets, according to the official website of ASELSAN.

What is known about the HISAR-U Siper complex?


The development of a long-range air defense system is the next step in the development of the HISAR range of systems. The long-range air defense complex will help cover strategically important facilities in Turkey from air attacks. It is reported that this system will be able to intercept various types of air targets, including missiles.

The Turkish president first announced the development of a new long-range air defense system called Siper in 2018 at an event that was held in Ankara and was dedicated to the development of the Turkish defense industry. At the same time, the first renders and information about the new air defense system began to appear in the Turkish segment of the Internet since 2015.

According to information published in the Turkish media, we can say that the new complex will be able to hit air targets at an altitude of at least 30 km. The declared range of the complex missiles is more than 100 km. In the materials of the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet in March 2021, it was noted that the maximum range of the HISAR-U Siper missiles would be 150 km.


Frame of November tests of the HISAR-U Siper complex, source: twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB

The Turkish media emphasize that the HISAR-U Siper complex will help Turkey to stand on a par with the United States and Russia in the field of creating high-altitude air defense systems. Journalists emphasize precisely the possibility of intercepting objects at an altitude of 30 km or more, since it is obvious that the range of missiles of the Russian S-400 air defense system allows hitting targets at a greater distance, even if the 150 km range turns out to be a true value.

Turkish experts look positively at their national development, claiming that it can compete with the American Patriot complex and even surpass it. Turkish specialists do not make a direct comparison with the S-400. At the same time, Ankara does not abandon further plans to purchase Russian air defense systems.

In September 2021, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that the country was ready to buy a second batch of S-400 from Russia. Turkey fully received the first four divisions of the S-400 air defense system in 2019 under the contract concluded in 2017. The deal was worth $ 2,5 billion. This purchase permanently spoiled relations between Ankara and Washington, while the United States refused to supply Turkey with a fifth-generation F-35 fighter-bomber.

Russian experts are skeptical about the prospects of HISAR-U Siper


Russian experts are rather skeptical about the Turkish possibilities for creating a long-range air defense system. In an interview with Gazeta.Ru, they questioned both the timing of the adoption of the HISAR-U Siper air defense system and the ability of the Turkish defense industry to compete with Russia in the field of air defense systems in the foreseeable future.

So, Major General of the Reserve Alexander Tazekhulakhov, the former deputy chief of the military air defense of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation, noted that according to the published characteristics, which are published today in the media, Siper is a good complex. At the same time, the characteristics declared now can be very different from the real ones, the Turks can write and say whatever they want.


SAM medium-range HISAR-O, photo: www.aselsan.com.tr

In this, the general is absolutely right, since all countries are reluctant to disclose real characteristics and data on new types of weapons. In addition, the official websites of the developers of the HISAR-U Siper system do not yet contain any specific information on the new product: neither export nor approximate characteristics. In contrast to the already tested samples of the HISAR family (HISAR-A and HISAR-O), for which data are published. In addition, Tazehulakhov doubts that in the foreseeable future, the Turkish industry will be able to compete with the Russian S-400, which is also capable of hitting hypersonic targets.

In turn, Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), in an interview with Gazeta.Ru, expressed doubts about the ability of the Turkish industry to meet the stated deadlines. According to Pukhov, the cycle from the first tests to their completion and the deployment of full-fledged production should take the Turkish side at least 10 years, given the complexity of the task of creating missiles and homing heads.

The second problem of Turkey, according to Pukhov, is the lack of independence in the production process. According to the expert, only two countries in the world - the United States and Russia - are able to produce the entire range of air defense systems completely independently. Other players in the international arms market, and Turkey is no exception, widely use foreign components in the production process.

For Ankara, this is a constant risk, since in the event of aggravation of relations with Western allies and NATO allies, the country may lose access to the necessary components. If Turkey wants to replace all systems and components with its own samples, this could further delay the development process in the future.

At the same time, the expert believes that, even having coped with all the difficulties, Turkey will not be able to seriously compete with Russia and the United States on the international market. The production of complexes in Turkey will not be so large-scale, and at the first stage they will need to cover the needs of their own armed forces. According to Pukhov, Turkey will not be able to think about export supplies of HISAR-U Siper systems earlier than 12-15 years after the successful completion of the tests.
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  2. Toucan
    Toucan 19 November 2021 05: 13
    +5
    It is unlikely that the Turkish long-range air defense system will be able to compare with the S-400 in the foreseeable future. But this is not even the point, Turkey is acting wisely by developing its own R&D.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 19 November 2021 07: 47
      +5
      Will be able. Naturally, they will not be able to do this on their own, the current government of the Russian Federation will help in this:
      Moscow and Ankara have reached an agreement not to disclose details of the joint production of S-400 air defense systems, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said.

      "Regarding the production of components for the S-400, we have agreed with the Russian side not to make any statements yet, not to share details. Therefore, I will not say anything about this now," Erdogan told reporters, answering a relevant question.


      Rocket Test for Siper:
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 November 2021 08: 50
        -5
        After the Turks shot down the Su-24, they suddenly discovered with horror their defenselessness in front of the Russians - they had absolutely no air defense systems. Now they are diligently correcting this gap. And, oddly enough, Russia helps them in this.

        Perhaps taking the knife in the back, the king thought that it was the only knife - there would be nothing more to stick. But is it?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 19 November 2021 09: 01
          +12
          Quote: Stas157
          they suddenly discovered with horror their defenselessness in front of the Russians - they had absolutely no air defense systems.

          1. They did not experience any horror and defenselessness. The Turks have military superiority in the Russian Federation in the Middle East and the Black Sea region. Their fleet is 3 heads stronger than our Black Sea Flotilla, the Air Force has parity. The ground forces do not play a role, in view of geography, and even there everything is comparable. I repeat, all this is within the framework of those theaters of military operations.
          2. They have air defense, but really not sufficient to avoid receiving sensitive strikes on their territory.
          3. Work began long before the Su-24 was shot down.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 19 November 2021 10: 00
            -1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            1. They did not experience any horror and defenselessness.

            I can agree with this.
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Turks have military superiority in the Russian Federation in the Middle East and the Black Sea region

            With that, no. Think deeply, you yourself will agree.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 19 November 2021 12: 02
            0
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Fleet they are 3 heads stronger than our Black Sea flotilla, Air force have parity.

            It was about air defense.

            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            They have air defense

            If they decided to calibrate them after a knife in the back, what kind of object air defense they have from cruise missiles?

            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Work began long before the Su-24 was shot down.

            I have not heard. And after the Su-24, that's all I heard.
          3. flicker
            flicker 19 November 2021 17: 17
            0
            Their fleet is 3 heads stronger than our Black Sea flotilla
            For 100 heads, why waste it on trifles.
            The air force has parity
            And what kind of planes do Turks produce?
          4. bk316
            bk316 19 November 2021 17: 45
            +4
            Their fleet is 3 heads stronger than our Black Sea flotilla, the air force has parity

            The non-covered air defense fleet in this theater will live exactly 30 minutes.
            And so it’s big, but again with outdated air defense.
            Well, in general, in the World Cup, no fleet will live long, even the American one - the sea is very small. And everything is in full view from the Caucasus and Crimea.

            The Air Force has parity.

            Why would they have practically nothing but the F-16.
            None of 4+ and 4 ++.
            Moreover, they have nothing percussion. They do not have supremacy planes. It turns out their Air Force is the Air Force Air Defense. On the one hand, this is justified because they really need air defense, on the other hand, how much can they hold out against dryers?
            How will they cover the airfields and how are they going to attack our airfields, how to break through the air defense of the Southern Federal District?
            1. flicker
              flicker 19 November 2021 22: 03
              +2
              The non-covered air defense fleet in this theater will live exactly 30 minutes.
              Interesting reasoning, such as whoever has more ships is the stronger at sea, as if only ships with ships would fight. request

              And, by the way, with modern strike missile capabilities, without air defense, and even more so without missile defense, not only the fleet, but also the entire infrastructure of the Air Force and most of the command posts, logistics centers, ammunition depots, power plants, etc. will not survive for 30 minutes. etc.
              And in general, modern strike missile systems, the capabilities of the aerospace forces obliterate the differences between the rear and the front line.
        2. no better place for
          no better place for 19 November 2021 13: 07
          0
          We started much earlier.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 19 November 2021 19: 31
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Will be able.

        Can not.
        And ours are not fools, they will not help.
        And Turkey's significant military-technological successes are noticeably linked to Korean successes. They are not very impressive yet. Neither tanks nor air defense.
        What kind of air defense / missile defense system the Koreans have are about the same as those of the Turks.
        You know the K-SAM Cheonma air defense system and the Cheongung air defense system. hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 19 November 2021 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          And ours are not fools

          Of course. Only they are not ours, they are theirs. It seems like they used to be called "enemies of the people" and "traitors to the motherland"
          Quote: Alex777
          will not help.

          Already.
          Quote: Alex777
          Turkey is visibly associated with Korean successes.

          Yes, they have established cooperation in the military-industrial complex. I don't care what kind of manufacturer R. Korea or Turkey is, the main thing is that our strategic opponents have it.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 19 November 2021 21: 28
            0
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Yes, they have established cooperation in the military-industrial complex. I don't care what kind of manufacturer R. Korea or Turkey is, the main thing is that our strategic opponents have it.

            The Koreans themselves will not invent the S-400. yes
            Therefore, Erdogan cuts circles here.
            The Saudis funded Dudayev & Co.
            And now they are not inferior to the United States in terms of oil.
            I understand the reason for your "sadness". But
            not so bad, but the game is going on for a long time ... hi
    2. flicker
      flicker 19 November 2021 17: 13
      -1
      Turkey is wise to develop its own R&D.
      Of course it is wise. In their place, it would be good to also develop the aviation industry, the auto industry, machine tool building, motor building, and much more.
      And so yes, wisely.

      Now the world is on the verge of a new technological order.
      And similar systems comparable to the S-400 lagged behind life that way by 30 years.
      There is a lot of things you need: your own element base, and a navigation system such as GPS or GLONASS, etc.
      And it will turn out like with Bayraktar, in which there is only a Turkish paint.
      ---
      Again, the world is on the verge of transition to a new technological order.
      We flew into space 60 years ago.
      And Turkey today is trying (trying !!!) to create something similar to the S-400.

      Each year, Turkey's lag behind the technologically developed states will only grow.
      And what will Turkey do about it?
      1. bk316
        bk316 19 November 2021 18: 01
        +1
        Otherwise, it will turn out like with Bayraktar, in which the Turkish well, except perhaps the paint

        Well, not only paint, but without your own satellite constellation you can't enter the club of big uncles .... Yes, and nuclear weapons are needed.
        1. flicker
          flicker 19 November 2021 21: 44
          +1
          but without your own satellite constellation you will not enter the club of big uncles .... Yes, and nuclear weapons are needed.
          Yes, they are not even close to this club. As for nuclear weapons, they still do not even have their own nuclear power.
          But their conceit is above the roof.
  3. Xlor
    Xlor 19 November 2021 05: 49
    -3
    lack of independence in the production process. According to the specialist, only two countries in the world - the United States and Russia - are able to produce the entire range of air defense systems completely independently.

    This is the main thing ...
    1. 28st region
      28st region 19 November 2021 06: 12
      +14
      They forgot about China. We have successfully copied our S-300 - HQ-9. Queue for the S-400. The Koreans have a copy of the S-350, made with our help, Iran also completely created a copy of the S-300 - Bavar-373
      Those. many can produce, not all can be developed from scratch.
  4. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 19 November 2021 06: 38
    0
    Of course he can. Not by performance characteristics, but by the number of sales to foreign countries.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 November 2021 06: 58
    +4
    As our tourism industry competes with the Turkish one, so their future air defense systems will compete with ours. winked
  6. teptyar
    teptyar 19 November 2021 07: 07
    +2
    running running, trying to catch up, eliminate the backlog and Turkey and China and Korea. Judging by the rest of the industries, they are gaining momentum. We can say that they are superior to us in almost everything. And if these states have a common tendency forward and upward !!!! and in mechanical engineering and electronics, robotics, shipbuilding, etc. etc. , then I think it is logical to believe that they will catch up with the air defense and missile defense and overtake them.
  7. yelo
    yelo 19 November 2021 07: 22
    -1
    Russian experts are skeptical enough

    as always "experts" are "experts"
    Turkey will be able not earlier than 12-15 years after the successful completion of the tests.

    if in Russia because of the bureaucracy he does so much, this does not mean that in other countries it is so. especially since there is already a prototype.
  8. gregor6549
    gregor6549 19 November 2021 09: 19
    +6
    The people, the Turks have just conceived their child, we still do not really know anything about it, but we are already talking about its advantages, disadvantages and competitiveness with the C 400, which has long since emerged from its cradle and has become an "adult" complex. In principle, what has already been announced for the Turkish air defense system looks quite real. The Turks do not set themselves any super tasks, including the task of shooting beyond the horizon, as the S 400 can do. It is true that it is not clear who and why needs the S 400 missiles to go over the hill, leaving those who launched them in complete ignorance of what happened to the S XNUMX when did she disappear from sight?
    Maybe she hit someone, but maybe she didn't, and if it did hit someone, it is not known who. After all, he can get into his own. When the target is in the radar detection zone of the complex, then these questions can be as
    then decide (adjust the trajectory of the missile defense system as needed, etc.), and when it is launched blindly, all that remains is to pray to the Lord to hit and fall into the enemy. Hopes that the seeker of long-range S400 missiles with their frail sensors will be able to independently capture a target hundreds of kilometers away and bring the missile defense system to a meeting with it is very, very ghostly. After all, the purpose of the date may not appear. With otherworldly target designation, it is also not as simple as some forum users imagine. In general, there is a proposal to wait until the end of the tests of the new Turkish air defense system, and then, perhaps, it will become more or less clear that this air defense system can.
    Well, it should be borne in mind that in addition to very modern enterprises that are engaged in the development and manufacture of Turkish air defense systems, the Turks have almost unlimited access to the world market of modern components (from microcircuits and powerful microwave generators to servo drives and other facilities). After all, the American sanctions affected them only in terms of the supply of F35. Well, if you have the right components, it is quite possible to mold the desired system. Moreover, in terms of software development, the Turks have already accumulated solid experience and have worked out the main programs on the previous air defense systems. Well, the Russian S400 air defense system most likely also came in handy for the Turks when developing their own air defense systems. And maybe not by them alone
  9. Toucan
    Toucan 19 November 2021 11: 32
    +3
    Quote: Stas157
    After the Turks shot down the Su-24, they suddenly discovered with horror their defenselessness in front of the Russians - they had absolutely no air defense systems.

    You usually write adequate comments. How did you decide that "there were no air defense systems in Turkey"?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 November 2021 12: 11
      -2
      Quote: Tucan
      You usually write adequate comments. How did you decide that "there were no air defense systems in Turkey"?

      There were heated discussions after the Su-24 was shot down. It was also said that Turkey would not be able to defend itself with air defense if it was decided to calibrate it.
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 19 November 2021 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        It was also said that Turkey would not be able to defend itself with air defense if it was decided to calibrate it.

        That's bullshit wassat Turkey has and still has a very developed air defense system, which is an integral part of the NATO air defense system. There was a good overview on VO on this topic, here is its final part:
        https://topwar.ru/166415-postavka-rossijskih-zrs-s-400-v-turciju-i-vozmozhnye-posledstvija-jetogo-shaga.html
  10. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 November 2021 11: 58
    -4
    The air defense complex is so complex that only a few countries with rich experience can make it, and Turkey is not included in this number. It will turn out to be another undercomplex for peacetime.
  11. Eug
    Eug 12 January 2022 08: 41
    0
    Draws attention to the almost smokeless launch of rockets. The Russian complexes in the photos and videos behind the rockets have solid smoke plumes. Reason to think.
  12. Gust
    Gust 26 January 2022 17: 05
    0
    I also drew attention to the exhaust of TTRD rockets. Our exhaust with white smoke is due to mixed fuels containing aluminum, and aluminum oxide is refractory and flies out in the form of whitish dust. We have (almost) smokeless exhaust from powder rockets, but the specific impulse of such fuels is less, and the color does not match. The Turks have interesting fuel - in an almost transparent jet stream, Mach disks and a cone of high-temperature fog are visible, as on hydrogen rocket engines.
  13. HattinGokbori87
    HattinGokbori87 9 February 2022 12: 14
    0
    Despite all threats and sanctions from the oversea European colony, Turkiye's Islamist government did not cancel the multibillion dollar deal with Russia for their S-400 ADS. Russian S-400 system is made primarily to counter NATO warplanes and the new Turkiye needs exactly that. They want to be prepared for a possible attack from their fellow NATO members and also form the attack of the remaining pro-USA elements in their air force.